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Favorite trashy movie would have to be a toss-up between MAME (first time I saw it I thought my eyesight was failing because I could barely see Lucy through all that vaseline) and my fave cheesy horror movie ATTACK OF THE SALMON PEOPLE ("They hunt for women ... not to kill, but to SPAWN!!!!!!!"). Ah, those halcyon days of drive-ins and B-movies.....
Posted by Phil Crosby @ 05/09/2002 10:28 AM PST
Happy Happy 6 months to all the cast and crew at haineshisway.com
Bruce, I hope your fingers are not numb from all that typing!
I'll post my trashy movie picks later..
Posted by Craig @ 05/09/2002 10:30 AM PST
Oh.. and here are some other notable "events" that took place on this day in history (to add to our celebration)
Happy Birthday to:
Candice Bergen
Billy Joel
Alley Mills
In 1754 1st newspaper cartoon in America-divided snake "Join or die"
(thankfully this is not the haineshisway motto!)
In 1976 "So Long 174th St" closes at Harkness Theater NYC after 16 performances
In 1978 Musical "Ain't Misbehavin'" opens at Longacre Theater NYC for 1604 performances
(thankfully this TOO is not the haineshisway motto!)
In 1982 Arthur Kopit's musical "Nine" premieres at 46th St Theater NYC for 739 performances
In 1989 "Sarafina!" closes at Cort Theater NYC after 597 performances
In 1992 Final episode of "Golden Girls" airs on NBC-TV
In 1993 "Ain't Broadway Grand" closes at Lunt-Fontanne NYC after 25 performances
In 1993 "Song of Jacob Zulu" closes at Plymouth Theater NYC after 53
In 1994 "Passion" opens at Plymouth Theater NYC for 280 performances
Vertigo opened in 1958
**Soylent Green opened in 1973
The Gong Show Movie opened in 1980
** A great trashy guilty pleasure movie!
Posted by Craig @ 05/09/2002 10:35 AM PST
I'll have to say a lot of Woody Allen. The Unmentionables, like The Curse of the Jade Scorpion, Manhattan Murder Mystery, Mighty Aphrodite, and Everyone Says I Love You. And probably Hollywood Ending, even though I haven't seen it yet.
WOO HOO! Six months! I am glad to say that I have been here since the very first day (although under a different name...) and each day look forward to my daily dose of brushwood thicket.
Brouhaha!
Posted by Lolita @ 05/09/2002 10:44 AM PST
Parsley, Sage, Rosemary, and Thyme...weren't they the Lennon Sisters?
Favorite trashy movies: I was going to say Valley of the Dolls, but Bruce beat me to it (damn his eyes!). Others:
* Glen or Glenda ("Glen, I don't fully understand this...but maybe together we can work it out.")
* Plan 9 from Outer Space ("Future events such as these will affect you, in the future.")
* Queen Bee ("Darling, a party is to women what a battlefield is to men...oh, I forgot, you weren't in the army, were you? Something about drinking, wasn't it?")
* Torch Song (Joan Crawford in blackface, a bright orange wig, and diamond-studded eyebrows... NOT to be missed)
* Queen of Outer Space ("Why don't you girls knock off the gestapo stuff...and try being a little FRIENDLY?")
Posted by Lulu @ 05/09/2002 10:54 AM PST
Trashy Movies? I'm afraid my concept of "trashy" is a lot different from those I'm seeing listed on these here pages.
Woody Allen? Trashy?
"Valley of the Dolls" is trashy.
"The Love Machine" is trashy.
"Barbarella" is trashy/campy.
"The Oscar" is trashy.
"The Carpetbaggers" is trashy.
"Mommie Dearest" is a trashy FEAST!
The Carroll Baker "Harlow" is mega-trashy!
And I love 'em all!
You issued "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" on your first label? Would that have been the OBC on Bay Cities?
I was still in the Navy and went through a longish ordeal of ordering that while I was stationed in Italy! It was a PRIZED POSSESSION when it arrived (and still is).
Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 05/09/2002 11:06 AM PST
I second "The Oscar," though it has one highly redeeming virtue--an incredibly lovely score by Percy Faith, including two knock-em-dead ballads, "Maybe September" and "Glass Mountain." The opening credits theme (or at least the fanfare section) was also used regularly for years at the "real" (relative term) Oscar ceremonies.
Posted by JMK @ 05/09/2002 11:21 AM PST
That was a quite satisfying ask bk day. I am now finishing up my ham chunks and cheese slices. Trashy movies, this is my favorite genre! Here goes:
Pink Flamingos (and any of john Waters' early movies with Divine)
Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens (Russ Meyers, you old dog!)
Riki-oh: The Legend of Riki (kung fu splatter movie from Hong Kong)
Nude For Satan (Idiotic Italian gore)
The Angry Red Planet (60's sci-fi absurdity)
The Black Lizard (strange 60's psychadelic detective movie)
Wonder Bar (pre-codes Al Jolson featuring 400 men in black-face. Ugggghhh!)
Posted by Mattso @ 05/09/2002 11:49 AM PST
The Oscar also features the finest screen appearance of Tony Bennett as an actor and the most embarrassing screenplay of my favorite author, Harlan Ellison.
As trash, however, Valley of the Dolls cannot hold a candle to Beyond The Valley of the Dolls written by Roger Ebert, the immortal film that leaves us with two questions: "What ever happened Michael Blodgett and David Gurian?" and "Michael Who and David Who?"
Posted by Robert Armin @ 05/09/2002 12:04 PM PST
John Wooley wrote the definitive book on Shlock Horror which, interestingly enough, he dedicated to our own, our very own, Ms. Susan Gordon. Ms. Gordon was, quite unsurprisingly, very good in her father's shlock masterpiece, Tormented.
Posted by Robert Armin @ 05/09/2002 12:16 PM PST
Trash? Trash, you say?
You haven't lived until you've seen Adrienne Barbeau (the Queen of the Bs) in Roger Corman's Burial of the Rats, wherein our hero, none other than Bram Stoker, traveling in Transylvania in the 19th century comes upon the secret society of the rat women who shed their gowns at night and terrorize the countryside in Frederick's of Hollywood lingerie, raping men and feeding them to their horde of pet rats, led by Adrienne as the Queen of the Rat Women. Pure cinema magic!
And not to forget Fertilize the Blaspheming Bombshell. Who could resists a movie with a title like that?
Posted by William F. Orr @ 05/09/2002 12:17 PM PST
There has been a mistake! I did not ask you about the Jack Benny performances. Rather, I asked what other record producers you admire. I think a that a bitch-slap is in order for that particular errant and truant behavior!
Oh yes....Happy Birthday!
Posted by Hapgood @ 05/09/2002 01:00 PM PST
Oh, JOHN WATERS, lord love him!
I love his trashy films!!!
And those Warhol film releases with Sylvia Miles (trash-a-loo-lah Bankhead!!!) and Joe d'Allesandro!! GREAT STUFF!
Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 05/09/2002 02:14 PM PST
And I should not have forgotten to mention Paul Morrissey's direction in "Trash," "Heat" and "Flesh" with all that in-camera editing that adds a certain queasy element to the tasteless proceedings!!
Anyone here in any of THOSE films? I'd love to hear the stories!
Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 05/09/2002 02:17 PM PST
Sorry, Hapgood, don't know what in tarnation happened with your question. Record producers I admire: Broadway: Goddard Lieberson - whether one likes his choices or not, he always made interesting and good sounding albums. I certainly have enjoyed some Thomas Z. Shepard albums, although not any of his recent things. Jay David Sacks has done some nice work, too. Record producers I don't admire: If they asked me I could write a book (and I did). There are one or two I would put at the top of the list, who don't deserve the name "producer" - who haven't a clue what a producer is or what a producer does. But that would be unseemly and I shall keep such things to myself.
I knew you people would come through with some great trashy movie picks and you have. I LOVE The Oscar (I went to the premiere, at the Egyptian Theater). And The Love Machine is not chopped liver. Torch Song is one of the greats (even better than Queen Bee). Showgirls is about as trashy as you can get, and I believe that film belongs in the pantheon along with the two Dolls pictures and Myra Breckinridge.
Posted by bk @ 05/09/2002 02:18 PM PST
If you don’t like bad movies,
you don’t like movies at all!
Reading other responses, I have to agree that Paul Morrissey’s Warhol movies—Heat (1972) [Dallesandro the boy-toy]; Flesh for Frankenstein (1974) [Dallesandro the stable boy]; and Blood for Dracula (1974) (Dallessandro the servant in his best Yondah-lies-da-castle-uh-mah-faddah accent saying, “You two are nothin’ but a coupla whoo-is.”)—and Mommie Dearest are as wonderfully trashy as one can hope to find, but art and documentary could be included.
Fifteen trashy flicks—please be warned of possible spoilers below:
15. Gotcha! (1985) — teen spy caper with Anthony Edwards as a game-playing college student who gets caught up with the real-life-spy-with-a-man’s-name Linda Fiorentino.
14. The Package (1989) — bad Gene Hackman movie, which may be a sub-genre unto itself, with Lake Forest, Illinois, home of Mr. T and the setting of Robert Altman’s A Wedding standing in for the Bavaria; a real fun-feathered-bird (turkey) directed by Andrew Davis of The Fugitive fame and featuring Joanna Cassidy, Tommy Lee Jones, John Heard, Dennis Franz, and Pam Grier.
13. Cutting Edge — Paul Michael Glaser’s motion picture about figure skating with a story that pivots on perhaps the single most ludicrous move ever attempted on ice; bizarrely dimly lit and preposterous.
12. Air Force One (1997) — Wolfgang Peterson who does not have great luck with English-language movies directed this tale of a U.S. President (Harrison Ford) taken hostage aboard the titular aircraft; absurd plot, complete with escape pod, parachute-jumping and Glenn Close as the vice president in a performance that deserved an Academy award [“This is the vice president!”].
11. Total Recall (1990) — a big summer hit when released; Arnold, Sharon Stone, Ronny Cox, Michael Ironside, dream implants, mutants and trips to Mars.
10. Absolute Power (1997) — bad flick from director-star Clint Eastwood, who plays a jewel thief who has the misfortune to witness the President of the United States commit murder while himself committing theft; Laura Linney is wasted as the jewel thief’s daughter; watchable, though, for bizarre situations, and Judy Davis’s divinely over-the-top performance as White House Chief of Staff.
9. For the Boys (1991) — terrible picture, ridiculous makeup, luv Bette Midler, and luv her musical numbers.
8. Ice Castles (1978) — Lynn-Holly Johnson as the tragically blinded figure skater and Robby Benson as the young man who helps her to see through the eyes of love; featuring scene-stealing by Jennifer Warren—luv her!—and the estimable Colleen Dewhurst.
7. Jagged Edge (1985) — Glenn Close as an attorney, Robert Loggia as a private investigator, continuity errors and obvious plotting as featured players; nifty fun and one of the biggest collective screams I have ever heard in a movie theater.
6. The Bodyguard (1992) — cannot stand S.A.G.-card-holder Kevin Costner, no fan of Cissy Houston’s famous daughter, either, but it is a silly and fun watch for the genre-clash, melodrama, and overblown production numbers and soundtrack.
5. Flashdance (1983) — a Pittsburgh welder who lives in an enormous loft, has Lilia Skala for a best friend, Michael Nouri for a boyfriend, dances in a high-tech disco and wants to be a ballerina—what’s not to luv?
4. Beaches (1988) — I know there are a lot of fans of this movie out there, and I am among them, but as a Bette Midler fan I will be the first to point out Beaches is trash—no Garry Marshall movie I have seen approaches art—but delicious with fun musical numbers; Bette Midler and Barbara Hershey as roommates and best friends for life—one sings, one dies.
3. Can’t Stop the Music (1980) — as discussed in prior bk’s notes II all Nancy Walker-directed feature motion pictures are the work of genius; awesome disco soundtrack; no redeeming value; a must-see.
2. Showgirls (1995) — my favorite guilty pleasure, it is to motion pictures what Carrie is to Broadway musicals; it could not have been a more accomplished and detailed disaster had it been planned by Bialystock & Bloom; bonus: Broadway hottie Sebastian LaCause as a chorus boy.
1. And, of course, no such list would be complete without the previously mentioned Valley of the Dolls (1967) — why I did not discover this masterpiece sooner I will never understand — totally, amazingly, unabashedly awful and wonderful; so much to see, but worth screening just to see Susan Hayward as Merman stand-in Helen Lawson.
Did Errant & Truant ever work with Ernest & Meltz? Did Art & Doc Umentary?
Posted by freedunit @ 05/09/2002 04:18 PM PST
Regarding the below, somewhere between “but” and “art” “I did not realize” vanished.
Posted by freedunit @ 05/09/2002 04:22 PM PST
freedunit,
We seem to be dealing with different levels of trash here. You are obviously into A-movie trash, while I am into Z-movie trash.
But for your A-list, how could you possibly leave out Basic Instinct? It is the archetype of the cop-beds-suspect-and-doesn't-realize-this-is-a-conflict-of-interest genre combined with the lesbians-as-titilation-for-straight-men tradition.
There were protests because it was anti-gay. Personally, I thought heterosexual men should have been protesting. What could be a bigger turn-on than novelist (?!) Sharon Stone with an ice pick.
Posted by William F. Orr @ 05/09/2002 06:13 PM PST
Trashy Movies No particular order or memory
The Abomnianble Doctor Phibes....Vincent Pries
Final Assignment...Genieve Bujold, michael York, Colleen Dewhurst Burgess Meredith (Cause I love Montreal standing in for Moscow and Lennigrad and playing spot me in the film)
Supergirl...Faye Dunaway and Brenda Vaccaro having a grand old time as the villians.
Airport (Cheesey melodrama, but it still works)
Somewhere in Time (One of the best musical scores ever. John Barry)
Paint Your Wagon (Really not that bad. Lots of fun. Once You get past Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood singing)
Deadly Weapons with Chesty Morgan. (then again it could be Double Agent 73) Does anyone remember her? She played a secret agent. I one breast was a camera. In the other breast was an explosive device that if she didn't complete her asssignment would explode. She killed one bad guy with them by smothering him and another one by swinging them and breaking his neck)I might be getting these two film mixed up. I kid you not. The following links are to the two film I just mentioned so you can see that they really existed. BTW I did not see them when they first came out I was too young.
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0071437
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0069952
There are soooo many others that I foundly remember over the years seeing 3 a day at a Grind house in Montreal. A recent film, a not too recent film (a few years old) and depending on when I went Chop Suey/Kung Fu films, Italian Comedy/Action or Speghetti Westerm films and finally T & A. (really bad ones. I went to see it for the film itself and critizing the bad acting, writing, direction and boob jobs)
Among those: The Super Stooges Vs The Amazon Women, TLC (Think TV's Medical Center/The New Interns with lots of T & A) Connection (Fill in the blank Kung Fu film title
And finally the absolutely worst trash films I ever saw were Ilsa The She Wolf of The SS, Ilsa The Keeper of the Harem of the Oil Shieks and Greta the Mad Buther. They all had one thing (ok 2 things I guess) in common...Dyanne Thorne. I was going throught my Star Trek (classic faze) and would go see anything that had a Star Trek actor in it. (She had a small role in A Piece of the Action.)
Which now reminds me of Big Bad Mama with Angie Dickinson, William Shatner, and Tom Skerit and the Nadir of the careers. Susan Sennett was also in it and the year before that she was in Ozzie's Girl TV series. (Ozzie and Harriet without their sons)This ended her career as far as I know she never acted again.)
God there must be more out there.
Posted by Michael Shayne @ 05/09/2002 07:53 PM PST
I will beg forgiveness from one
and all (and also all and one)
for veering off topic, but I
simply must post. I have had
the good fortune to have been
a loyal reader of BK's notes
from almost the very
beginning. Athough it has not
been mentioned recently, I had
often noticed a phrase
referring to a place called
Manderley, which bk
apparently visted frequently in
his dreams. I hadn't the
foggiest idea what this might
mean, and I always meant to
ask on a questions day, but
somehow always forgotten to
do so. At any rate, I was at
work this evening, in the home
of an autistic child for whom I
am a caretaker. While he was
playing a computer game, I
wandered around the room,
idly looking at the many books
on the bookshelves. One
caught my eye, a flashy
looking book by the name of
"Rebecca." which boasted on
the front cover "One of the best
selling books of all time." I
myself am an avid reader of all
kinds of books, and naturally I
was intrigued. Imagine my
shock when the very first
sentence of the very first
chapter was, and I quote, "Last
night I dreamed I was at
Manderley." I very nearly
dropped the book in surprise.
As luck would have it, though,
my little charge decided this
would be an excellent time to
see what happens when one
swings a computer mouse
into a solid glass door. So I
was kept busy and unable to
return to the book. So I
wonder, have I found the
source of the quote? And if so,
what is Manderley, anyway?
And why did bk feel compelled
to quote it? I beg forgiveness
for the long post, but lack of
sleep has taken away any
abliity to speak briefly and to
the point.
Posted by Ann @ 05/09/2002 08:48 PM PST
Hello Ann!
How long have you worked with autistic kids? Two of my siblings have Asperger's Syndrome and swinging mice (mouses? mice?) into glass doors sounds right up their alley ;)
Posted by Lolita @ 05/09/2002 09:13 PM PST
Ann, you have indeed found the source of BK's allusion (and, possibly, illusion). Manderley is the estate that Maxim DeWinter takes "I" (for that's the only way she's identified in the book) to after he marries her. Rebecca was Maxim's first wife, who died under tragic circumstances--even more tragic because she died under different circumstances in the book than in the movie.
Re: autism. My brother-in-law is one of the best known authorities on autism in the US, sadly from personal experience--his son (my nephew) had late-onsetting autism. Bruce runs the Wisconsin Institute of Nutrition and wrote (with his wife, Lori) one of the best-known books promoting nutritional cures for autism, entitled "Feast without Yeast," which is available through Amazon and the Institute webiste.
Lastly, Mr. BK--I forgot to mention earlier--what do you have against the name "Jeff"? I have known some particularly fine people with that name. Did you know that "Jeff" is the closest English equivalent to the unpronounceable name of God in Hebrew "YHVH"? Or that it is etymologically related to "jefe", meaning chief, in Spanish? At least Jeff Probst doesn't have that hoity-toity ripped-from-Chaucer spelling--some people are just SO pretentious! :)
Posted by JMK @ 05/09/2002 09:26 PM PST
"He Knows You're Alone"
Absolutely zero redeeming
qualities for this bride-to-be
slasher flick. Interestingly, this
film was the unseemly screen
debut for one Mr. Tom Hanks!
Posted by Jed @ 05/09/2002 09:26 PM PST
Another for the Z-List:
Hard to Die (1990); aka Tower of Terror; aka Nighty Nightmare II.
Four voluptuous CPAs, who give a whole new meaning to the word Bimbo, are hired to audit the books of a large lingerie factory in the middle of the night. Of course, they all soon remove their clothing and try on assorted bras and panties. But unbeknownst to them, an Egyptian relic meant for the museum has been mistakenly delivered to the factory, and an ancient spirit begins a gory murder spree, as the CPAs jiggle about in their lacy underwear screaming.
It has the added bonus of famous science-fiction fan and collector Forrest J. Ackerman playing the museum curator.
Joe and I got such a kick out of it that we played it for his niece Andrea, when she was in college years ago, and I was tutoring her in science and math.
Andrea soon protested, "Is this a lesbian movie? I don't want to watch a lesbian movie! I am not a lesbian, Uncle Joe!" [It was not a lesbian movie.]
Well, I am happy to report that Andrea graduated with straight A's, went on to earn her accounting degree, and recently held a commitment ceremony with a nice physical therapist named Debby.
So she is both a lesbian and a CPA. See the corrupting influence of movies?
Posted by William F. Orr @ 05/09/2002 09:42 PM PST
I agree that the original Broadway cast recordings of Gypsy; West Side Story; Bye, Bye, Birdie; Li’l Abner; Company; Follies; A Chorus Line; and Oliver! are essential cast albums. [The deletion of A Little Night Music was deliberate.]
To my extended list of essentials to represent Broadway at its best I would add the original, or only, Broadway cast recordings of Pal Joey; Oklahoma!; Carousel; South Pacific; The King and I; On the Town; Annie Get Your Gun; Call Me Madam; Kiss Me, Kate; Guys and Dolls; My Fair Lady; Damn Yankees; How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying; Funny Girl; Hello, Dolly!; Mame; Mack and Mabel; Little Me; Sweet Charity; Cabaret; Promises, Promises; Hair; Chicago; Annie; On the Twentieth Century; Evita; Sweeney Todd—The Demon Barber of Fleet Street; 42nd Street; Merrily We Roll Along; Dreamgirls; City of Angels; Rent; and Elaine Stritch: At Liberty. The Capitol Records original Broadway cast recordings of Funny Girl and Follies are two of the best ever and two of my very favorite. [That British imports other than Evita were not mentioned was not an oversight.]
WFO, there was no omission. The title you cite would never be mentioned by me. It is homophobic, but that is besides the point: it is insufferably monotonous and uninteresting, and the leading man is an unequivocal bore. In short, it is simply unwatchable and I listed ones worth a view.
Posted by freedunit @ 05/09/2002 11:08 PM PST
What could be a bigger turn-on than Sharon Stone with an ice pick? Sharon Stone with an ice pick lodged in Michael Douglas.
Posted by freedunit @ 05/09/2002 11:12 PM PST
"Trashy" - probably I have forgotten them if they were that bad. I would have to agree wiht "Beaches" and to that I would add (don't crucify me for this)"Steel Magnolias". Loved the mention somewhere above of an ice-pick in Mr Douglas. His films I do avoid. For me the ultimate one-dimensional actor. Kevin Spacey is BRILLIANT.
So Bruce what do you think of Michael Ball and what have you heard about "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang"? Did my question go astray or did your answer?
Happy aniversary and thanks to Mark B for leading me here after the "Real A" finished.
Posted by Tom from OZ @ 05/10/2002 12:31 AM PST
Congratulations one and all on the six-month anniversary! Many happy more!
Wow! I didn't know there were so many "trashy" movies out there. I even remember seeing some of them (although I didn't think they were so bad at the time). So much for my taste! A WORD OF WARNING: Don't ever use the word "trashy" in the presence of author Judith Krantz. I saw her once on television during a promotional tour and the interviewer used "the word" when describing her book. Well, this didn't set too well with Ms. Krantz - who used a few choice "words" of her own to express her displeasure. The reason I know this is because they didn't edit out her reaction when the program aired!
Addressing some of the other items in BK's notes:
STEPHEN SONDHEIM: A long time ago, I (a "nobody") was looking for the sheet music of "Uptown Downtown," a song that was cut from "Follies." It wasn't published, so I wrote to Stephen Sondheim in care of ASCAP. I not only received the music but also a very nice handwritten note from him. Another time, I wrote to Sheldon Harnick for some music and he, too, sent it right out free of charge. He even included some alternative lyrics. When I wrote him a thank you, I mentioned the name of my vocal coach and a performer and it turned out he and his wife knew them both. The accessibility and generosity of these two songwriters made me feel very special and as if I were a part of the theatrical community.
MUSICAL SATIRISTS: Roy Zimmerman is a singer/songwriter/satirist that has been compared to Tom Lehrer - and even Tom Lehrer thinks he's good! He performs frequently in Los Angeles. At the Holiday Cabaret show last December, Roy sang his song, "Christmas is Pain" and had everybody rolling in the aisles. Here's his website http://www.roysongs.com/ Go to LYRICS for the Christmas song as well as others.
Posted by Donna - Cabaret West @ 05/10/2002 12:56 AM PST
Tom From Oz, Steel Magnolias, like Terms of Endearment, was a runner-up and would make the extended list. Any Dolly Parton movie in which there are hot naked men and Julia Roberts dies is a solid trashy watch.
Not that anyone asked me, but I am no fan of Michael. Still, rumours abound that many have had a Ball.
If it will keep away Judith Krantz, "Trashy, trashy, trashy, trashy!"
Posted by freedunit @ 05/10/2002 06:55 AM PST