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05/09/2002:
"SIX MONTHS OUT OF EVERY YEAR"

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bk's notes II

Well, dear readers, I promised you a big surprise today and a big surprise I shall deliver. Are you sitting down? Are you sitting up? Well, sit however you so choose, because today, Thursday, marks the sixth month anniversary of these here notes. Yes, you heard it here, dear readers, today is the sixth anniversary of not only these here notes, but the existence of haineshisway.com. Can you believe it? I can hardly believe it myself and, in fact, wouldn’t have even been aware of it if it wasn’t for dear reader Craig alerting me to that fact. Well, now, I think this calls for a celebration, don’t you, dear readers? I think it is time to break out the Diet Coke, to serve up large platters of cheese slices and ham chunks and even shrimp bits on toast. It is time to put on our pointy party hats, our colored tights and pantaloons, time to dance the Hora and maybe even the Watusi. Every day for six months I have written these here notes without fail (well, I’m not sure about that first weekend, but from there on in it’s been every single day), I have written these here notes come hell or high or low water, I have written these notes through laughter and through tears, through thick and through thin, through sunshine and through rain, in sickness and in health... Wait a minute, this is starting to sound like wedding vows. But maybe that’s appropriate, because you have been here every step of the way, dear readers. We… We are family. Even the people out there in the dark, the people who lurk, they too have been with us every day. We have created a site that is to be admired, that has already been copied by others – in other words, we have attained coolness, we are the coolest, we are the hippest, man, and this is the place to be and those who are unawares are uncool and have no hips whatsoever. Yes, through sheer perseverance we have persevered. We have weathered the storm. We are here to stay and the devil take the hindmost.

I have had such fun doing these here notes, and I feel like we are all in this together. Our little posting system has become the envy of one and all and also all and one. People have taken notice, oh, yes, people have taken notice. And they’d better put “notice” back before someone misses it. And now, we must continue to grow, we must become more popular with the populace, so tell your friends, tell your neighbors, tell the man in the street, tell it to the marines – haineshisway.com is the place where the in crowd meets. I think we must now pause and give a word of thanks to the man who has made all this possible, Mr. Guy Haines. We must now pause and also give a word of thanks to our very own Mr. Mark Bakalor who, despite being errant and truant occasionally, really does do a splendid job of keeping this site up and running and in tip-top shape. Or is it top-tip shape? We must now pause and also give a word of thanks to our very own Mr. Donald Feltham and his sparkling The Broadway Radio Show, one of the most popular internet radio shows in existence. Enough with the pausing. We’ve got celebrating to do. We must run amok and do the pudding dance, but only after we’ve eaten the pudding. Many of our dear readers have been with us since the first day. Some joined soon thereafter and some found us by happenstance. But however and whenever you came I hope you will always feel welcome here and like you are a true Hainsie/Kimlet.

Very soon we will have sparkling additions to the site. Many exciting things are happening and you will all be the very first to know what they are. So stay with us, be a loyal true blue Hainsie/Kimlet and let us put a pox on those who would wish us ill. Perhaps we will make them eat lox. That would be a fine pox, especially if the lox were in a box. Oh, how we would laugh and laugh at the lox pox in a box. And they’d have to eat the lox in the box whilst wearing their socks. That would be a fine how do you do, wouldn’t it? Yes, those who would wish us ill, those who would throw rocks should beware the lox in the box socks pox. What the hell am I talking about? Oh, yes, let us all be loyal true blue Hainsies/Kimlets. Or, if you don’t like being true blue you could be true orange or maybe even true magenta.

Oh, I feel we should strew confetti hither and thither and also yon. In any case, while we are doing our handy-dandy celebrating, why don’t I start answering the plethora of questions you posted for me? Yes, that would be a fine thing to do whilst we partake of our ham chunks and cheese slices and shrimp bits on toast. But first, let us all click on that Unseemly Button below because, after all, we’ve been doing that unseemly fershluganah clicking for sixth whole months. Yes, click, click, click (that is three clicks) that is what we do here at haineshisway.com. On the count of three let’s click once again: One, two, three.

Have I mentioned that this is our sixth month anniversary? Isn’t that exciting? Isn’t that just too too. Well, I have lots of questions to answer, so let’s just get to it without further ado. Frankly, or even Georgely, I have had it with ado. No more further ado, say I. No, from now on ado is doa and that is all there is to it. Please excuse any typos - I'm not going to have time to go back and proof.

Michael Shayne asks what exactly does a record producer do when they produce an album?

Well, that is a question dear to my heart. I can only speak for myself, of course. Some record producers I’ve seen in action, don’t do anything. They sit there like so much fish, talk on the phone, do other business, let the artists and engineers do all the work, and then take a producer credit. Others are more hands on and I would fall into that category. The amount of work and involvement varies, of course. If it’s a concept album, such as my Lost in Boston or Unsung series, then I choose the songs, choose the musical director, cast the singers, choose the orchestrator (in collaboration with the musical director – all my albums are total collaborations). I rehearse with everyone, I frequently do the arrangements and I make sure everything meshes with everything. Then, once we go in the studio, I record the orchestra and the singers – I work with each singer to make their song the best it can be – if that requires one take, great. If it requires eight takes, great. Once the album is recorded, my wonderful and brilliant engineer Vinnie begins the mix. When we finally found the sound that made me happy (this took awhile), things became very easy, mix-wise. I let Vinnie get all the mixes up to his satisfaction, then I come in, comp the vocals (get the best possible vocals from the various takes – and make sure that the vocal is seamless and perfect – I’m maniacal about this, which is why singers trust me and like to work with me – they know I will protect their performance) and finesse the mixes so that Vinnie and I are totally satisfied with them. Then, I sequence the album (this is sometimes the hardest thing of all – getting the sequencing absolutely perfect – I feel wrong sequencing can ruin an album), oversee the artwork and packaging right through to the release. On vocal albums, it depends on the singer. Some really want a total collaboration (Emily and Alice, Christiane Noll, etc.) so we all choose the songs, the theme of the album and work very closely together. On Emily and Alice’s and Christiane’s first album, I did all the arrangements, too, with the wonderful Todd Ellison. But if it’s someone like Judy Kaye or Judy Kuhn or Randy Graff, I let the singer and the musical director send me tapes as they work, and then we all settle on the best material and go on from there. The recording and mixing of those is basically the same as the concept albums. For cast albums, every producer has their own way of working. For me, I see the show several times, mark up a script the way I feel it will best record, in terms of what dialogue to use and such, then sit with the creative staff and finalize all that. I also feel it’s my job to make certain that the magic that the performers have on stage translates to the recording. So, I will frequently work with the actors to achieve that, and the actors are always very open and wonderful about that and they know I’m there to support them and help them be the best they can be. Cast album sessions are very difficult, with very limited time to do everything that needs to be done, because of strict union rules. So, one must be prepared, calm and yet a strong leader. The mixing of cast albums is the same as for everything else, although there are usually many more pieces to edit.

But let me tell you, I’ve seen and heard about producers who don’t even attend mixes, don’t have any opinion about how an album should sound (I have a very specific kind of sound I favor, and if you have any of my albums you will note that it is very consistent), and don’t involve themselves in the sequencing. I decided early on that if an album said Produced by Bruce Kimmel that I wanted it to mean something. I wanted people to know that whether they ended up liking the album or not, that they’d be getting an album made by someone who cares, and made with love and hopefully with a consistent quality. And from the thousands of letters and e-mails I’ve gotten over the years, I think I’ve succeeded to at least some small degree.

Whew, that was long. But I am passionate about the subject. Michael also asks who was voted the murderer the most times in the Broadway run of Drood. I actually knew the answer at one time but can no longer remember. Perhaps I’ll drop Mr. Rupert Holmes a note and find out. Finally, Michael asks when a cast album is nominated for a Grammy what do they judge on? The production of the album? The singing? Well, if you want my totally honest answer, I think they vote for what they are most familiar with, what’s had the most publicity. I’m sorry to say it, but it just seems to be true, which is why Rent can lose to Riverdance.

Ron Pulliam asks if I think Little Lulu would make a good musical? Frankly, I don’t know Little Lulu well enough to have an opinion. I used to watch the cartoons on television but remember very little about them. Ron also asks if I have a list of Broadway musicals/showtune-related albums that are must-haves for every theater fan? Well, it’s all subjective, of course, but we’ve talked about many of our favorites here at haineshisway.com. And I’m doing one of our handy-dandy radio shows this Saturday where I choose twelve of my all-time favorite showtune tracks, so tune in and that will give you an idea. But essential cast albums for me would have to include Gypsy, West Side Story, Bye Bye Birdie, Li’l Abner, Company, A Little Night Music, Follies (the original, I don’t care how truncated it may be), A Chorus Line, Oliver, and about a hundred others. Ron also asks if I’ve ever had Pra Ram Pork or Chicken or Pad Thai Noodles at a Thai restaurant. No to the Pra Ram Pork (Arp Mar Krop spelled backwards), yes to the Pad Thai Noodles, which I love. Finally, what’s my favorite serious junk food? MacDonald’s Filet o’ Fish.

Hapgood asks what I thought of Mr. Jack Benny’s (my favorite comedian) performances in The Horn Blows at Midnight and To Be or Not to Be. Shockingly, I’ve never seen The Horn Blows at Midnight, but I do like him very much in To Be or Not to Be. Hapgood also asks what my SAT score was. I have no idea if I ever even took such a thing as an SAT. I think I may have taken an FRI or maybe a WED. My problem with those types of tests is that I get very impatient with them (especially if they have box-folding questions) and I tend to just check off answers willy-nilly, without much care. Finally, Hapgood asks who are those unseemly lurkers? Well, since they are lurkers I’m sure I could not say. No, no, I could not say – they are people out there in the dark and they lurk and read and read and lurk, to what end I know not.

Arnold M. Brockman has several questions, too. What is my favorite book of all time? To Kill a Mockingbird by Miss Harper Lee. Who is/are my favorite authors? The above mentioned Miss Lee, Mr. Ira Levin, Mr. Raymond Chandler, Mr. Cornell Woolrich, Miss Dorothy Parker, Mr. Ring Lardner, Mr. James Thurber, Mr. Ross Macdonald and his wife, Margaret Millar, Mr. James Agee, Mr. John Wyndham, Miss Agatha Christie, Mr. Steven Millhauser, Mr. Stephen King, Mr. William Golding, Mr. George Orwell – those are off the top of my head, there are many many others that I adore. How many copies of my very own novel, Benjamin Kritzer do I think will sell? I hope lots and lots, but I have no idea really. I’m planning on doing a lot of promotion, but it’s a small publisher, so who knows? I hope all our dear readers will buy it, and if they like it, spread the word. What will the first printing be? Not sure yet – they do things a bit differently at this publishers. They published Legally Blonde two years ago, and I think that had a decent first print run. If my book were to become a film who would I like to see cast as Benjamin Kritzer and what director would I choose? That’s a very very difficult call. Benjamin would have to be played by an unknown I should think. You could have names in almost all the other roles, though. Director? I think Mr. Spielberg would “get” the book, but I don’t know if he has the simplicity that it would need – when people here have read it, I think we should have a poll to see what your ideas are. Finally, if an audio version of the book is produced (I’m fairly certain we will do one) will I do the reading? Certainly that would be tempting, but if I could get a name who was right and could do it well, I might defer. Oh, yes, I might defer. Arnold also asks what I think of DVD packaging with all those security tapes. I find that type of packaging totally disgusting (not every studio does that) and one wastes quite a bit of time opening them (MGM/UA is the worst, in my opinion). Arnold also finds the small booklets that come with CDs bothersome, because of the small print inside. The problem, unfortunately, is here to stay, as long as there are notes. You can have bigger type if you print more pages, but more pages costs more money and frequently when I decide to do that anyway, they come up with more notes and it totally defeats the purpose. There’s really no way around it.

Lolita asks what is the wallpaper/background on my computer? Why, I do believe it’s the Harvey Schmidt cover art for my very own novel, Benjamin Kritzer. My screen saver is a purple background with the words “What is it, fish?”. Lolita also wants to know if I’ll be seeing any of the Sondheim shows at the Kennedy Center? Highly doubtful. She also asks who are some of my favorite movie actors/actresses of today? Boy, that’s hard. I like Kevin Spacey. I like the gal who played the lead in Sweet and Lowdown. I like Renee Zellwegger. I always enjoy John Cusack. But I’m afraid I don’t care all that much for the current crop. Finally, how do I feel about my name meaning “brushwood thickets”? Why, I did not know that my name meant brushwood thickets. I don’t even know what in tarnation a brushwood thicket is, but apparently one of the things a brushwood thicket is is a Bruce. Well, perhaps I should brushwood my thicket, start quoting it now.

Jennifer wants to know who I think will be kicked off of Survivor this Thursday (today), assuming I know what Survivor is. I do know what Survivor is, and yet I have never watched one episode. However, if there is a person named Jeff on the show, I feel he should be kicked off, just because he has a name with two “f”s.

Phil Crosby asks who I think the most underrated musical theater composer/lyricists are, those who never seem to get their due. Actually, that’s a pretty tough question, because all the ones I adore have, in fact, gotten their due. I suppose I always feel that Schmidt and Jones deserve to be thought of in the upper echelon of musical theater folk, and I don’t know that they really are. I think John Barry’s theater music is mostly overlooked and underrated and I really like it a lot. And I don’t think Mary Rodgers has ever had the career she should have.

Freedunit asks what my favorite Cole Porter double entendre is? The entire lyric of The Physician. Also, what ever happened to Wanda Richert? I believe she’s married and living peacefully somewhere, but I don’t think she’s done much theater in the last few years. Next, am I going to the Reprise! Follies and do I think there’s a chance it will be recorded? Yes, I will most likely attend, and no I don’t think there’s a chance in hell it will be recorded. That is a very expensive proposition and I don’t really know anyone who would want to put up that kind of dough when there are so many other recordings. Next, have I seen or heard Patricia Resnick’s musical about waitresses, Ladies in Waiting? Nope. What relation, if any, is John Smithee to Alan? I always thought of John as Alan’s distant cousin, or perhaps distant nephew. And finally, who is Mark Rutland and why does he not have a middle name? Mark’s parents didn’t believe in middle names. In fact, they didn’t even believe in first names, but when it came time to sign and fill out the birth certificate they insisted that his father make some kind of mark where his first name should be, so he simply wrote down “mark” and the rest is history. Mark Rutland is, of course, a leading character in both book and film of Marnie – played by Sean Connery. But there is another uncouth interloper named Mark Rutland who directed some film or other.

Robert Armin would like to know what my favorite Vernon Duke song is. I think it’s a toss-up between Autumn in New York and I Can’t Get Started. I like Mr. Duke very much indeed. Robert would also like to know that if I were in New York would I be attending the reading of Mr. Duke’s Madly in Love at the York Theater. But of course. Wild horses couldn’t keep me away, if I were in New York, but since I am in California I will not be attending.

William F. Orr points out that I’ve talked quite a bit about performers and creative artists that I admired when I was a twig of a sprig of a tad of a youth. He goes on to say that it must have happened that I eventually got the opportunity to work with some of my idols. He asks if I can share some stories of finding that I could really relate personally to someone I idolized, and also is there anyone for whom my admiration soured when I found out they were really not a nice person?

One of the great joys for me since I began my album producing journey, has indeed been getting to know and work with some of those people that I held in such high esteem. Mr. Sondheim, Mr. Kander and Mr. Ebb, Comden and Green, Mr. Jerry Herman and many others. To sit in the studio with these people and make creative decisions and work closely with them has been a treat, and the best treat of all is that they have been so gracious to me and have been so happy with the albums I’ve made that feature their work. Some of the people on the above list are friendlier than others, but I have had good relationships with them all. However, there are two people that I truly idolized who have become dear friends, and they are Mr. Tony Walton, and even moreso, Mr. Harvey Schmidt. I have also had the good fortune to work with and get to know a lot of the younger crop of artists, and have become very close with a lot of them as well. As to someone for whom my admiration soured – most definitely, but interestingly only one person. They will remain nameless, however, in the interest of decorum. After working with this person, I said to someone that they ought to do an album of Kurt Weill and call it Vile sings Weill. But without fail, all the other performers I’ve worked with have been perfectly marvelous – whether it’s a Lauren Bacall, Dorothy Loudon or Elaine Stritch, or someone totally new on the scene, I have been blessed to work with such amazingly talented people.

Has anyone begun to notice the extreme length of these here notes? Well, fear not, the end is in sight.

Mattso has a few questions: Do I think that Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme is an appropriate response to the question “Are you going to Scarborough Fair”? Yes, I do. I think Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme is an appropriate response for just about any question. Do you wear socks? Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme. Do you like the accordion? Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme. Well, we’ve spent enough Thyme on this. Mattso also asks where have all the flowers gone? Mattso is obviously on a folk song kick – in any case, the answer to that question is, of course, Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme. Do I think it is possible for Steve Guttenberg to make a comeback? Only if he eats some Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme. Where was I born? I was born in the city known as Los Angeles, California. What instruments do I play and do any of them involve pudding. Is anyone thinking that Mattso has been partaking of a bit too much Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme? I play piano, and yes, Virginia I have been known to play said piano whilst eating the Butterscotch Pudding.

Craig’s questions: What do I think about a revival of Woman of the Year (updating to reflect the current decade)? I was never a huge fan of the show in the first place, but I suppose it could work. Craig feels a fine cast would be Candice Bergen and Scott Bakula, and that sounds like a fine cast to me. What are my thoughts on musical satirists such as Tom Lehrer, Gerard Allesandrini, Capitol Steps, Alan Sherman, Weird Al, Spike Jones, etc? Well, it’s not my favorite genre, but I certainly have enjoyed Mr. Lehrer, some of Mr. Allesandrini (although he has a limited bag of tricks), Mr. Sherman, Weird Al – I really like Spike Jones, but I think he’s in a category all to himself. And I love, love, love (that is three loves – tennis anyone?) Mr. Stan Freberg, especially his epic The United States of America.

Craig’s next question is what comic strips/comic books did I love as a child. I must admit that I was never big on comic strips, but I did enjoy reading comic books like Superman, Archie, and above all MAD Magazine (which started out as a comic book), and some of the weird EC comics. Do I watch any of the reality shows on television. I am happy to say, absolutely positively not. I have never seen an episode of Survivor, or Big Brother, or Little Sister or whatever the hell else is on these days. I really don’t like such things and, truth be told, outside of several HBO shows, I don’t watch television at all. Have I seen Spiderman? No, but everyone seems to like it so I probably will get around to it. Can I give my thoughts on the Tony nominees? It seems like the usual thing to me. Some omissions, some surprises, but I can’t work up much enthusiasm for any of it, since I haven’t seen most of the shows nominated.

JMK asks if my father ever found out that I removed two hundred dollars from his pants-pocket to purchase that tape recorder to record The Parent Trap before going off to summer camp. No, happily he didn’t. My brother held that over me for quite some time, but I had the equal goods on him, because he used to go out at three in the morning and drive my father’s car when he was fourteen.

Bill asks why I haven’t recorded much Al Carmines music, and asks what I think of him and would I consider recording a Carmines compilation. I always found Mr. Carmines weird and very enjoyable. I don’t really have an answer as to why I didn’t record more. As to a Carmines compilation, I’m afraid its audience would be very limited – it’s why I didn’t do compilation albums of a lot of people that I really like.

Finally, Jed asks how I came to know our very own Mr. Mark Bakalor? Well, I don’t exactly remember, to tell you the truth. I did use to frequent the All that Chat board when Mark was involved, and I certainly posted and frequented sondheim.com. At some point we began chatting, and the rest is history. He asked me to do what became One From Column A, and he’s done several jobs for me over the years. He has also mercilessly bitch-slapped his way across these here United States. Jed also asks how I first met my close personal friend, Mr. Stephen Sondheim? It was when I had my first label, and we reissued A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum. He wrote, then I wrote, and then he wrote and then I wrote, and then he, then me, then he then me, and then came Unsung Sondheim, and the eight or nine other Sondheim albums I’ve done (is it ten?).

Well, that was a gaggle of questions, was it not? I hope you all haven’t fallen asleep by now, and I hope my answers were satisfactory.

I hope we are all still celebrating and that said celebration will continue until the wee hours of the morning. Here’s to another six months!

Today’s topic of discussion: What are your favorite trashy movies, you know the ones without hardly any redeeming features, but which are eminently watchable anyway. I’ll start with the obvious role model for this category: Valley of the Dolls, and its sequel Beyond the Valley of the Dolls. Your turn.

- Bruce Kimmel



Replies: 29 Unseemly Comments


Favorite trashy movie would have to be a toss-up between MAME (first time I saw it I thought my eyesight was failing because I could barely see Lucy through all that vaseline) and my fave cheesy horror movie ATTACK OF THE SALMON PEOPLE ("They hunt for women ... not to kill, but to SPAWN!!!!!!!"). Ah, those halcyon days of drive-ins and B-movies.....

Posted by Phil Crosby @ 05/09/2002 10:28 AM PST


Happy Happy 6 months to all the cast and crew at haineshisway.com

Bruce, I hope your fingers are not numb from all that typing!

I'll post my trashy movie picks later..

Posted by Craig @ 05/09/2002 10:30 AM PST


Oh.. and here are some other notable "events" that took place on this day in history (to add to our celebration)

Happy Birthday to:
Candice Bergen
Billy Joel
Alley Mills

In 1754 1st newspaper cartoon in America-divided snake "Join or die"
(thankfully this is not the haineshisway motto!)

In 1976 "So Long 174th St" closes at Harkness Theater NYC after 16 performances

In 1978 Musical "Ain't Misbehavin'" opens at Longacre Theater NYC for 1604 performances
(thankfully this TOO is not the haineshisway motto!)

In 1982 Arthur Kopit's musical "Nine" premieres at 46th St Theater NYC for 739 performances

In 1989 "Sarafina!" closes at Cort Theater NYC after 597 performances

In 1992 Final episode of "Golden Girls" airs on NBC-TV

In 1993 "Ain't Broadway Grand" closes at Lunt-Fontanne NYC after 25 performances

In 1993 "Song of Jacob Zulu" closes at Plymouth Theater NYC after 53

In 1994 "Passion" opens at Plymouth Theater NYC for 280 performances

Vertigo opened in 1958

**Soylent Green opened in 1973

The Gong Show Movie opened in 1980

** A great trashy guilty pleasure movie!

Posted by Craig @ 05/09/2002 10:35 AM PST


I'll have to say a lot of Woody Allen. The Unmentionables, like The Curse of the Jade Scorpion, Manhattan Murder Mystery, Mighty Aphrodite, and Everyone Says I Love You. And probably Hollywood Ending, even though I haven't seen it yet.

WOO HOO! Six months! I am glad to say that I have been here since the very first day (although under a different name...) and each day look forward to my daily dose of brushwood thicket.

Brouhaha!

Posted by Lolita @ 05/09/2002 10:44 AM PST


Parsley, Sage, Rosemary, and Thyme...weren't they the Lennon Sisters?

Favorite trashy movies: I was going to say Valley of the Dolls, but Bruce beat me to it (damn his eyes!). Others:

* Glen or Glenda ("Glen, I don't fully understand this...but maybe together we can work it out.")

* Plan 9 from Outer Space ("Future events such as these will affect you, in the future.")

* Queen Bee ("Darling, a party is to women what a battlefield is to men...oh, I forgot, you weren't in the army, were you? Something about drinking, wasn't it?")

* Torch Song (Joan Crawford in blackface, a bright orange wig, and diamond-studded eyebrows... NOT to be missed)

* Queen of Outer Space ("Why don't you girls knock off the gestapo stuff...and try being a little FRIENDLY?")

Posted by Lulu @ 05/09/2002 10:54 AM PST


Trashy Movies? I'm afraid my concept of "trashy" is a lot different from those I'm seeing listed on these here pages.

Woody Allen? Trashy?

"Valley of the Dolls" is trashy.
"The Love Machine" is trashy.
"Barbarella" is trashy/campy.
"The Oscar" is trashy.
"The Carpetbaggers" is trashy.
"Mommie Dearest" is a trashy FEAST!
The Carroll Baker "Harlow" is mega-trashy!

And I love 'em all!

You issued "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" on your first label? Would that have been the OBC on Bay Cities?

I was still in the Navy and went through a longish ordeal of ordering that while I was stationed in Italy! It was a PRIZED POSSESSION when it arrived (and still is).

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 05/09/2002 11:06 AM PST


I second "The Oscar," though it has one highly redeeming virtue--an incredibly lovely score by Percy Faith, including two knock-em-dead ballads, "Maybe September" and "Glass Mountain." The opening credits theme (or at least the fanfare section) was also used regularly for years at the "real" (relative term) Oscar ceremonies.

Posted by JMK @ 05/09/2002 11:21 AM PST


That was a quite satisfying ask bk day. I am now finishing up my ham chunks and cheese slices. Trashy movies, this is my favorite genre! Here goes:

Pink Flamingos (and any of john Waters' early movies with Divine)

Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens (Russ Meyers, you old dog!)

Riki-oh: The Legend of Riki (kung fu splatter movie from Hong Kong)

Nude For Satan (Idiotic Italian gore)

The Angry Red Planet (60's sci-fi absurdity)

The Black Lizard (strange 60's psychadelic detective movie)

Wonder Bar (pre-codes Al Jolson featuring 400 men in black-face. Ugggghhh!)

Posted by Mattso @ 05/09/2002 11:49 AM PST


The Oscar also features the finest screen appearance of Tony Bennett as an actor and the most embarrassing screenplay of my favorite author, Harlan Ellison.

As trash, however, Valley of the Dolls cannot hold a candle to Beyond The Valley of the Dolls written by Roger Ebert, the immortal film that leaves us with two questions: "What ever happened Michael Blodgett and David Gurian?" and "Michael Who and David Who?"

Posted by Robert Armin @ 05/09/2002 12:04 PM PST


John Wooley wrote the definitive book on Shlock Horror which, interestingly enough, he dedicated to our own, our very own, Ms. Susan Gordon. Ms. Gordon was, quite unsurprisingly, very good in her father's shlock masterpiece, Tormented.

Posted by Robert Armin @ 05/09/2002 12:16 PM PST


Trash? Trash, you say?

You haven't lived until you've seen Adrienne Barbeau (the Queen of the Bs) in Roger Corman's Burial of the Rats, wherein our hero, none other than Bram Stoker, traveling in Transylvania in the 19th century comes upon the secret society of the rat women who shed their gowns at night and terrorize the countryside in Frederick's of Hollywood lingerie, raping men and feeding them to their horde of pet rats, led by Adrienne as the Queen of the Rat Women. Pure cinema magic!

And not to forget Fertilize the Blaspheming Bombshell. Who could resists a movie with a title like that?

Posted by William F. Orr @ 05/09/2002 12:17 PM PST


There has been a mistake! I did not ask you about the Jack Benny performances. Rather, I asked what other record producers you admire. I think a that a bitch-slap is in order for that particular errant and truant behavior!

Oh yes....Happy Birthday!

Posted by Hapgood @ 05/09/2002 01:00 PM PST


Oh, JOHN WATERS, lord love him!

I love his trashy films!!!

And those Warhol film releases with Sylvia Miles (trash-a-loo-lah Bankhead!!!) and Joe d'Allesandro!! GREAT STUFF!

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 05/09/2002 02:14 PM PST


And I should not have forgotten to mention Paul Morrissey's direction in "Trash," "Heat" and "Flesh" with all that in-camera editing that adds a certain queasy element to the tasteless proceedings!!

Anyone here in any of THOSE films? I'd love to hear the stories!

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 05/09/2002 02:17 PM PST


Sorry, Hapgood, don't know what in tarnation happened with your question. Record producers I admire: Broadway: Goddard Lieberson - whether one likes his choices or not, he always made interesting and good sounding albums. I certainly have enjoyed some Thomas Z. Shepard albums, although not any of his recent things. Jay David Sacks has done some nice work, too. Record producers I don't admire: If they asked me I could write a book (and I did). There are one or two I would put at the top of the list, who don't deserve the name "producer" - who haven't a clue what a producer is or what a producer does. But that would be unseemly and I shall keep such things to myself.

I knew you people would come through with some great trashy movie picks and you have. I LOVE The Oscar (I went to the premiere, at the Egyptian Theater). And The Love Machine is not chopped liver. Torch Song is one of the greats (even better than Queen Bee). Showgirls is about as trashy as you can get, and I believe that film belongs in the pantheon along with the two Dolls pictures and Myra Breckinridge.

Posted by bk @ 05/09/2002 02:18 PM PST


If you don’t like bad movies,
you don’t like movies at all!

Reading other responses, I have to agree that Paul Morrissey’s Warhol movies—Heat (1972) [Dallesandro the boy-toy]; Flesh for Frankenstein (1974) [Dallesandro the stable boy]; and Blood for Dracula (1974) (Dallessandro the servant in his best Yondah-lies-da-castle-uh-mah-faddah accent saying, “You two are nothin’ but a coupla whoo-is.”)—and Mommie Dearest are as wonderfully trashy as one can hope to find, but art and documentary could be included.

Fifteen trashy flicks—please be warned of possible spoilers below:
15. Gotcha! (1985) — teen spy caper with Anthony Edwards as a game-playing college student who gets caught up with the real-life-spy-with-a-man’s-name Linda Fiorentino.
14. The Package (1989) — bad Gene Hackman movie, which may be a sub-genre unto itself, with Lake Forest, Illinois, home of Mr. T and the setting of Robert Altman’s A Wedding standing in for the Bavaria; a real fun-feathered-bird (turkey) directed by Andrew Davis of The Fugitive fame and featuring Joanna Cassidy, Tommy Lee Jones, John Heard, Dennis Franz, and Pam Grier.
13. Cutting Edge — Paul Michael Glaser’s motion picture about figure skating with a story that pivots on perhaps the single most ludicrous move ever attempted on ice; bizarrely dimly lit and preposterous.
12. Air Force One (1997) — Wolfgang Peterson who does not have great luck with English-language movies directed this tale of a U.S. President (Harrison Ford) taken hostage aboard the titular aircraft; absurd plot, complete with escape pod, parachute-jumping and Glenn Close as the vice president in a performance that deserved an Academy award [“This is the vice president!”].
11. Total Recall (1990) — a big summer hit when released; Arnold, Sharon Stone, Ronny Cox, Michael Ironside, dream implants, mutants and trips to Mars.
10. Absolute Power (1997) — bad flick from director-star Clint Eastwood, who plays a jewel thief who has the misfortune to witness the President of the United States commit murder while himself committing theft; Laura Linney is wasted as the jewel thief’s daughter; watchable, though, for bizarre situations, and Judy Davis’s divinely over-the-top performance as White House Chief of Staff.
9. For the Boys (1991) — terrible picture, ridiculous makeup, luv Bette Midler, and luv her musical numbers.
8. Ice Castles (1978) — Lynn-Holly Johnson as the tragically blinded figure skater and Robby Benson as the young man who helps her to see through the eyes of love; featuring scene-stealing by Jennifer Warren—luv her!—and the estimable Colleen Dewhurst.
7. Jagged Edge (1985) — Glenn Close as an attorney, Robert Loggia as a private investigator, continuity errors and obvious plotting as featured players; nifty fun and one of the biggest collective screams I have ever heard in a movie theater.
6. The Bodyguard (1992) — cannot stand S.A.G.-card-holder Kevin Costner, no fan of Cissy Houston’s famous daughter, either, but it is a silly and fun watch for the genre-clash, melodrama, and overblown production numbers and soundtrack.
5. Flashdance (1983) — a Pittsburgh welder who lives in an enormous loft, has Lilia Skala for a best friend, Michael Nouri for a boyfriend, dances in a high-tech disco and wants to be a ballerina—what’s not to luv?
4. Beaches (1988) — I know there are a lot of fans of this movie out there, and I am among them, but as a Bette Midler fan I will be the first to point out Beaches is trash—no Garry Marshall movie I have seen approaches art—but delicious with fun musical numbers; Bette Midler and Barbara Hershey as roommates and best friends for life—one sings, one dies.
3. Can’t Stop the Music (1980) — as discussed in prior bk’s notes II all Nancy Walker-directed feature motion pictures are the work of genius; awesome disco soundtrack; no redeeming value; a must-see.
2. Showgirls (1995) — my favorite guilty pleasure, it is to motion pictures what Carrie is to Broadway musicals; it could not have been a more accomplished and detailed disaster had it been planned by Bialystock & Bloom; bonus: Broadway hottie Sebastian LaCause as a chorus boy.
1. And, of course, no such list would be complete without the previously mentioned Valley of the Dolls (1967) — why I did not discover this masterpiece sooner I will never understand — totally, amazingly, unabashedly awful and wonderful; so much to see, but worth screening just to see Susan Hayward as Merman stand-in Helen Lawson.

Did Errant & Truant ever work with Ernest & Meltz? Did Art & Doc Umentary?

Posted by freedunit @ 05/09/2002 04:18 PM PST


Regarding the below, somewhere between “but” and “art” “I did not realize” vanished.

Posted by freedunit @ 05/09/2002 04:22 PM PST


freedunit,

We seem to be dealing with different levels of trash here. You are obviously into A-movie trash, while I am into Z-movie trash.

But for your A-list, how could you possibly leave out Basic Instinct? It is the archetype of the cop-beds-suspect-and-doesn't-realize-this-is-a-conflict-of-interest genre combined with the lesbians-as-titilation-for-straight-men tradition.

There were protests because it was anti-gay. Personally, I thought heterosexual men should have been protesting. What could be a bigger turn-on than novelist (?!) Sharon Stone with an ice pick.

Posted by William F. Orr @ 05/09/2002 06:13 PM PST


Trashy Movies No particular order or memory

The Abomnianble Doctor Phibes....Vincent Pries

Final Assignment...Genieve Bujold, michael York, Colleen Dewhurst Burgess Meredith (Cause I love Montreal standing in for Moscow and Lennigrad and playing spot me in the film)

Supergirl...Faye Dunaway and Brenda Vaccaro having a grand old time as the villians.

Airport (Cheesey melodrama, but it still works)

Somewhere in Time (One of the best musical scores ever. John Barry)

Paint Your Wagon (Really not that bad. Lots of fun. Once You get past Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood singing)

Deadly Weapons with Chesty Morgan. (then again it could be Double Agent 73) Does anyone remember her? She played a secret agent. I one breast was a camera. In the other breast was an explosive device that if she didn't complete her asssignment would explode. She killed one bad guy with them by smothering him and another one by swinging them and breaking his neck)I might be getting these two film mixed up. I kid you not. The following links are to the two film I just mentioned so you can see that they really existed. BTW I did not see them when they first came out I was too young.

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0071437
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0069952

There are soooo many others that I foundly remember over the years seeing 3 a day at a Grind house in Montreal. A recent film, a not too recent film (a few years old) and depending on when I went Chop Suey/Kung Fu films, Italian Comedy/Action or Speghetti Westerm films and finally T & A. (really bad ones. I went to see it for the film itself and critizing the bad acting, writing, direction and boob jobs)

Among those: The Super Stooges Vs The Amazon Women, TLC (Think TV's Medical Center/The New Interns with lots of T & A) Connection (Fill in the blank Kung Fu film title

And finally the absolutely worst trash films I ever saw were Ilsa The She Wolf of The SS, Ilsa The Keeper of the Harem of the Oil Shieks and Greta the Mad Buther. They all had one thing (ok 2 things I guess) in common...Dyanne Thorne. I was going throught my Star Trek (classic faze) and would go see anything that had a Star Trek actor in it. (She had a small role in A Piece of the Action.)

Which now reminds me of Big Bad Mama with Angie Dickinson, William Shatner, and Tom Skerit and the Nadir of the careers. Susan Sennett was also in it and the year before that she was in Ozzie's Girl TV series. (Ozzie and Harriet without their sons)This ended her career as far as I know she never acted again.)

God there must be more out there.

Posted by Michael Shayne @ 05/09/2002 07:53 PM PST


I will beg forgiveness from one
and all (and also all and one)
for veering off topic, but I
simply must post. I have had
the good fortune to have been
a loyal reader of BK's notes
from almost the very
beginning. Athough it has not
been mentioned recently, I had
often noticed a phrase
referring to a place called
Manderley, which bk
apparently visted frequently in
his dreams. I hadn't the
foggiest idea what this might
mean, and I always meant to
ask on a questions day, but
somehow always forgotten to
do so. At any rate, I was at
work this evening, in the home
of an autistic child for whom I
am a caretaker. While he was
playing a computer game, I
wandered around the room,
idly looking at the many books
on the bookshelves. One
caught my eye, a flashy
looking book by the name of
"Rebecca." which boasted on
the front cover "One of the best
selling books of all time." I
myself am an avid reader of all
kinds of books, and naturally I
was intrigued. Imagine my
shock when the very first
sentence of the very first
chapter was, and I quote, "Last
night I dreamed I was at
Manderley." I very nearly
dropped the book in surprise.
As luck would have it, though,
my little charge decided this
would be an excellent time to
see what happens when one
swings a computer mouse
into a solid glass door. So I
was kept busy and unable to
return to the book. So I
wonder, have I found the
source of the quote? And if so,
what is Manderley, anyway?
And why did bk feel compelled
to quote it? I beg forgiveness
for the long post, but lack of
sleep has taken away any
abliity to speak briefly and to
the point.

Posted by Ann @ 05/09/2002 08:48 PM PST


Hello Ann!

How long have you worked with autistic kids? Two of my siblings have Asperger's Syndrome and swinging mice (mouses? mice?) into glass doors sounds right up their alley ;)

Posted by Lolita @ 05/09/2002 09:13 PM PST


Ann, you have indeed found the source of BK's allusion (and, possibly, illusion). Manderley is the estate that Maxim DeWinter takes "I" (for that's the only way she's identified in the book) to after he marries her. Rebecca was Maxim's first wife, who died under tragic circumstances--even more tragic because she died under different circumstances in the book than in the movie.

Re: autism. My brother-in-law is one of the best known authorities on autism in the US, sadly from personal experience--his son (my nephew) had late-onsetting autism. Bruce runs the Wisconsin Institute of Nutrition and wrote (with his wife, Lori) one of the best-known books promoting nutritional cures for autism, entitled "Feast without Yeast," which is available through Amazon and the Institute webiste.

Lastly, Mr. BK--I forgot to mention earlier--what do you have against the name "Jeff"? I have known some particularly fine people with that name. Did you know that "Jeff" is the closest English equivalent to the unpronounceable name of God in Hebrew "YHVH"? Or that it is etymologically related to "jefe", meaning chief, in Spanish? At least Jeff Probst doesn't have that hoity-toity ripped-from-Chaucer spelling--some people are just SO pretentious! :)

Posted by JMK @ 05/09/2002 09:26 PM PST


"He Knows You're Alone"

Absolutely zero redeeming
qualities for this bride-to-be
slasher flick. Interestingly, this
film was the unseemly screen
debut for one Mr. Tom Hanks!

Posted by Jed @ 05/09/2002 09:26 PM PST


Another for the Z-List:

Hard to Die (1990); aka Tower of Terror; aka Nighty Nightmare II.

Four voluptuous CPAs, who give a whole new meaning to the word Bimbo, are hired to audit the books of a large lingerie factory in the middle of the night. Of course, they all soon remove their clothing and try on assorted bras and panties. But unbeknownst to them, an Egyptian relic meant for the museum has been mistakenly delivered to the factory, and an ancient spirit begins a gory murder spree, as the CPAs jiggle about in their lacy underwear screaming.

It has the added bonus of famous science-fiction fan and collector Forrest J. Ackerman playing the museum curator.

Joe and I got such a kick out of it that we played it for his niece Andrea, when she was in college years ago, and I was tutoring her in science and math.

Andrea soon protested, "Is this a lesbian movie? I don't want to watch a lesbian movie! I am not a lesbian, Uncle Joe!" [It was not a lesbian movie.]

Well, I am happy to report that Andrea graduated with straight A's, went on to earn her accounting degree, and recently held a commitment ceremony with a nice physical therapist named Debby.

So she is both a lesbian and a CPA. See the corrupting influence of movies?

Posted by William F. Orr @ 05/09/2002 09:42 PM PST


I agree that the original Broadway cast recordings of Gypsy; West Side Story; Bye, Bye, Birdie; Li’l Abner; Company; Follies; A Chorus Line; and Oliver! are essential cast albums. [The deletion of A Little Night Music was deliberate.]

To my extended list of essentials to represent Broadway at its best I would add the original, or only, Broadway cast recordings of Pal Joey; Oklahoma!; Carousel; South Pacific; The King and I; On the Town; Annie Get Your Gun; Call Me Madam; Kiss Me, Kate; Guys and Dolls; My Fair Lady; Damn Yankees; How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying; Funny Girl; Hello, Dolly!; Mame; Mack and Mabel; Little Me; Sweet Charity; Cabaret; Promises, Promises; Hair; Chicago; Annie; On the Twentieth Century; Evita; Sweeney Todd—The Demon Barber of Fleet Street; 42nd Street; Merrily We Roll Along; Dreamgirls; City of Angels; Rent; and Elaine Stritch: At Liberty. The Capitol Records original Broadway cast recordings of Funny Girl and Follies are two of the best ever and two of my very favorite. [That British imports other than Evita were not mentioned was not an oversight.]

WFO, there was no omission. The title you cite would never be mentioned by me. It is homophobic, but that is besides the point: it is insufferably monotonous and uninteresting, and the leading man is an unequivocal bore. In short, it is simply unwatchable and I listed ones worth a view.

Posted by freedunit @ 05/09/2002 11:08 PM PST


What could be a bigger turn-on than Sharon Stone with an ice pick? Sharon Stone with an ice pick lodged in Michael Douglas.

Posted by freedunit @ 05/09/2002 11:12 PM PST


"Trashy" - probably I have forgotten them if they were that bad. I would have to agree wiht "Beaches" and to that I would add (don't crucify me for this)"Steel Magnolias". Loved the mention somewhere above of an ice-pick in Mr Douglas. His films I do avoid. For me the ultimate one-dimensional actor. Kevin Spacey is BRILLIANT.

So Bruce what do you think of Michael Ball and what have you heard about "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang"? Did my question go astray or did your answer?

Happy aniversary and thanks to Mark B for leading me here after the "Real A" finished.

Posted by Tom from OZ @ 05/10/2002 12:31 AM PST


Congratulations one and all on the six-month anniversary! Many happy more!

Wow! I didn't know there were so many "trashy" movies out there. I even remember seeing some of them (although I didn't think they were so bad at the time). So much for my taste! A WORD OF WARNING: Don't ever use the word "trashy" in the presence of author Judith Krantz. I saw her once on television during a promotional tour and the interviewer used "the word" when describing her book. Well, this didn't set too well with Ms. Krantz - who used a few choice "words" of her own to express her displeasure. The reason I know this is because they didn't edit out her reaction when the program aired!

Addressing some of the other items in BK's notes:

STEPHEN SONDHEIM: A long time ago, I (a "nobody") was looking for the sheet music of "Uptown Downtown," a song that was cut from "Follies." It wasn't published, so I wrote to Stephen Sondheim in care of ASCAP. I not only received the music but also a very nice handwritten note from him. Another time, I wrote to Sheldon Harnick for some music and he, too, sent it right out free of charge. He even included some alternative lyrics. When I wrote him a thank you, I mentioned the name of my vocal coach and a performer and it turned out he and his wife knew them both. The accessibility and generosity of these two songwriters made me feel very special and as if I were a part of the theatrical community.

MUSICAL SATIRISTS: Roy Zimmerman is a singer/songwriter/satirist that has been compared to Tom Lehrer - and even Tom Lehrer thinks he's good! He performs frequently in Los Angeles. At the Holiday Cabaret show last December, Roy sang his song, "Christmas is Pain" and had everybody rolling in the aisles. Here's his website http://www.roysongs.com/ Go to LYRICS for the Christmas song as well as others.

Posted by Donna - Cabaret West @ 05/10/2002 12:56 AM PST


Tom From Oz, Steel Magnolias, like Terms of Endearment, was a runner-up and would make the extended list. Any Dolly Parton movie in which there are hot naked men and Julia Roberts dies is a solid trashy watch.

Not that anyone asked me, but I am no fan of Michael. Still, rumours abound that many have had a Ball.

If it will keep away Judith Krantz, "Trashy, trashy, trashy, trashy!"

Posted by freedunit @ 05/10/2002 06:55 AM PST





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