Replies: 42 Unseemly Comments
I never got the popularity of any Jerry Lewis film wether with Dino or Not. Of course you remember Not don't you? He was in all the films with Jerry that Dino wasn't.
Posted by Michael Shayne @ 05/18/2002 10:09 AM PST
Please do not post responses to the Unseemly Trivia Contest. E-mail them to bruce@haineshisway.com.
Posted by the Unseemly Reminder @ 05/18/2002 10:27 AM PST
But the films that I still laugh at The Marx Brothes, Chaplin, Keaton, lots of Blake Edwards comedies (But not all)
I love British comedies. Being from Canada we would get lots of them. The Carry On.... movies are a favorite of mine. And after all these year I sill love the Brit Com Are You Being Served?
There were also other comedies with Peter Sellers like I'm All Right Jack, The Ladykillers, The Mouse That Roared and of course his work with Goon Show which was a foreunner of the Monty Python Gang and another great group.
In the Ladykillers there was also Alec Guiness who was in another series of great British comedies Kind Hearts and Coronets, The Lavender Hill Mob, Captain's Paradise, The Man in the White Suit, and Our Man in Havana. All great comedies that people should know more about. Some of the finest British actors appeared in these comedies. People should seek them out.
I think why these films work is that comedy comes out of the characters and situations and the dialogue is naturally funny. They are not jokes for jokes sake. They were fresh and different and that's why they are still funny today
Today's comedies rely on four letter words, scatalogical (not the science of jazz singing), bodily functions, men's seamen beeing mistaken for hair gel, making funs of anyone who isn't a WASP (Not the stinging insect). Jews, Blacks, Homosexuals, Orientals, Muslems etcs are the basis of humor that should have been stopped long ago. It may have been funny once, but after 100th time it is no longer funny.
Posted by Michael Shayne @ 05/18/2002 10:29 AM PST
Well, I certainly find myself laughing again at the Marx Bros. and Abbot & Costello and The 3 Stooges (in small doses) whenever they pop up on my TV. Jerry Lewis is another matter.
I never never never did find Jerry funny--except perhaps in The King of Comedy where he played it poker-faced and grumpy (a little closer to his real personality) and never cracked a smile.
There is an episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation that pretty much sums it up. Data, the android (Brent Spiner), is trying to understand humor and has enlisted the help of Gynan (Whoopie Goldberg). She takes him to the holodeck where they conjur up a 20-th century comedian (played by Joe Piscopo) to give him lessons. At one point Piscopo says, "Let's try Jerry Lewis," and does a falling-down buffoonish twangy-voiced Jerry imitation. Data turns to Whoopie with no expression, raises his eye-brows and asks, "And that is funny?"
My sentiments exactly.
Posted by William F. Orr @ 05/18/2002 12:22 PM PST
BK, I remember that when I was a wee lass, my favorite Marx bro (by FAR) was Harpo. I couldn't appreciate Groucho until I was older. Probably Zach and Daniel will find it thus, as well.
Comic actors I still love:
Buster Keaton, Charlie Chaplin when he's not being schmaltzy and maudlin, the Marx Brothers, Our Gang (when they were still under the auspices of Hal Roach), Fred Allen, Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy, Jack Benny and Eddie "Rochester" Anderson, W.C. Fields, the "Stoopnocracy is peachy" boys from "International House," Burns and Allen, Franklin Pangborn, Jackie Gleason, Art Carney, Peter Sellers, Peter Cook and Dudley Moore.
Comic actors who are dated and unfunny now (or: the Academy of the Overrated):
Harry Langdon, Wheeler and Woolsey, Stepin Fetchit, Abbott and Costello, Martin and Lewis, Lucille Ball (sorry, but it's true), Bob Hope (though very early stuff of his does make me chuckle sometimes), Red Skelton, Red Buttons, anybody else named either "Red" or "Shecky."
Posted by Lulu @ 05/18/2002 12:25 PM PST
And more currently.
I've never really found Woody Allen qua Woody Allen funny, in his standard persona. The Woody Allen movies I enjoy are the ones where he does not appear.
A comedian I still appreciate: Alfred Hitchcock doing the intros and trailers to his TV show.
But Joe and I find these days that we seldom have an interest in watching a movie or TV show if it is billed as a "comedy", especially of the Dumb, Dumber, Dumbest variety--or the teenagers-try-to-get-laid genre. Trouble is what you mostly see any more is people trying damn hard to be funny, and the strain shows.
There is a story that Sid Caesar told his writers, "If I ever catch any of you trying to be funny, you're fired."
We find much more humor in movies whose main point is not to be funny, but then the natural humor arises out of the characters and the situation.
It always annoyed me that Red Skelton laughed at his own jokes. But then his personality was so infectious that you just laughed to see him having such a good time.
But we live in an age where a Star can get $ 20,000,000 for doing fart jokes, so what do I know.
Which reminds me, yesterday the radio was playing that old coprophiliac song, "Urinal smoothy, I'm an ol' softie."
Posted by William F. Orr @ 05/18/2002 01:35 PM PST
Hello, Bruce!
Could the answers be Mr Jim
Dale and "Hello, Georgie
Girl!"?
We sure miss "your" CD's....
Greetings from a French fan of
yours, in Paris, France....of
course!
Posted by francois monferran @ 05/18/2002 01:53 PM PST
Shame, shame, shame!
I HAD to do the boo boo, I
guess...only if my answer is
right.
Sorry folks! won't do it again!
my first time on the site!!!!!
If you could see me now.... i'm
RED with confusion!!!!!!
Posted by francois monferran @ 05/18/2002 01:57 PM PST
François Monferran, that was truly selfish and inconsiderate of you. Please post no more.
Posted by the Unseemly Reminder @ 05/18/2002 02:05 PM PST
now now.. let's not tell the man not to "post no more" -- isntead.. let's all have a French Fry...
Posted by Craig @ 05/18/2002 02:06 PM PST
Mon ami, we have had ze answer to ze question posted all ze way from Fraaance. First of all, welcome to Francois from France -however, there is a long line of people who will now have to bitch-slap you. We will now have to write "don't post the answer" in a variety of languages. Can any of our dear reader linguists translate "don't post the answer" into a variety of languages or, at the very lease, a hollywood reporter of languages. I shall now have to come up with yet another trivia contest qustion, so I will add the new question to today's notes, and our guessers will have to guess again. Amazingly, we'd only had one correct guess, I believe - most folks had guessed Nancy with The Laughing Face by Phil Silvers - so I was going to clarify what I meant by "big hit". In any case, let me get off my butt cheeks and think of another question.
Posted by bk @ 05/18/2002 02:12 PM PST
Tell him what you want. I told him to post no more. Think of it as a time-out in place of a gallic bitch-slapping. Maybe you will feel better about the instruction if you consider it with the perspective that the real thought was not shared.
Posted by the Unseemly Reminder @ 05/18/2002 02:20 PM PST
The following are translations of do not post the answer
¡no fije la respuesta! Spanish
ne signalez pas la réponse! French
geben Sie nicht die Antwort bekannt! German
non invii la risposta! Italian
não afixe a resposta! Portugese
OY shmecklehead don't post the fershluganah answer! Bronx Yiddish
Posted by Craig @ 05/18/2002 02:25 PM PST
What are the translations of “We gonna bitch-slap you if you do!”?
Posted by the Unseemly Inquirer @ 05/18/2002 02:36 PM PST
Don't post the answer.
Spanish- No anuncie la repuesta.
French- Ne pas poster la résponse.
Italian- Non affiggere la riposta.
Norwegian- Poster ikke svaret.
Portuguese- Nao coloque a reposta.
Pig Latin (For those Dear Readers who live in Pig Latania)- On'tday ostpay ethay sweranay.
Posted by Sandra @ 05/18/2002 02:40 PM PST
Unseemly Trivia Contest diva tantrum.
-30-
Posted by the Unseemly Inquirer @ 05/18/2002 02:43 PM PST
Esperanto: Ne afishu la respondon! (E-poshtu ghin rekte al bruce@haineshisway.com.)
Posted by William F. Orr @ 05/18/2002 02:45 PM PST
I had an answer in my head
and it's not the answer
Francois said!
But here's the rub -
my Broadway man, though indeed fantastical
may not have done musicals, been only dramatical?
p.s. Craig, that Bronx jeer was just "too too"!
Posted by Handsome Johnny @ 05/18/2002 02:47 PM PST
LOL @ Sandra's ig-pay atin-Lay.
François Monferran, I have forgiven you, so instead I say please post no more answers.
Posted by the Unseemly Reminder @ 05/18/2002 02:48 PM PST
WFO, as you know, this is a Broadway-musical-fixated site, and I fear you have just breached the American Musical Theatre Fans With Disabilities Act of 1996, which requires all advisories in Esperanto to be accompanied by Japanese and Braille translations. American musicals are very popular in Japan, of course, and everybody loves Louis.
Posted by Little Me on a Saturday (freedunit) @ 05/18/2002 02:56 PM PST
Let's see if this works...
Posted by Craig @ 05/18/2002 02:58 PM PST
Would that make one Desperate Too-to? Or would that be too-too Tutu?
Posted by freedunit @ 05/18/2002 02:59 PM PST
PLEASE DO NOT POST RESPONSES TO THE
UNSEEMLY TRIVIA CONTEST. Only E-mail them to bruce@haineshisway.com, s’il vous plait.
Posted by the Unseemly Reminder @ 05/18/2002 03:03 PM PST
Well... I guess it doesn't work with Mark Bakalor's Grey Matter. I had tried to embed a graphic into my post... oh well..
Posted by Craig @ 05/18/2002 03:05 PM PST
Hey, there, Frenchy boy!
Postin' on the site, so fancy-free
Never thinking that we all can see
The answers are there
Before us
Hey, there, Frenchy boy!
I think that next time, before you post
Answers willy-nilly, you
Should just send BK e-mail
Because we all want our chance,
We all want our chance to shine
But it's real hard, if somebody posts
The answers here
Hey, there, Frenchy boy
All of us are sure you meant no harm
Keep those answers to yourself,
And oh, how welcome you'll be
Hainsies will see
A new Frenchy boy!
Posted by Lulu @ 05/18/2002 03:51 PM PST
Mr. Mark Bakalor's greymatter hasn't worked in years.
Posted by bk @ 05/18/2002 03:52 PM PST
Thanks Michael Shayne. Your comments are so apt re comedy films etc. Australians and Canadians have much to be thankful for - our diet of British (Ealing!) comedies when we were young.
Welcome to the show Francois.
Posted by Tom Guest (from OZ) @ 05/18/2002 03:57 PM PST
Dear Unseemly Inquirer,
I am sorry if I post AGAIN, but,
since you don't have a direct
link...
You are right; I have been "truly
selfish and inconsiderate",
providing I did it on purpose,
which I didn't . I apologized,
and i apologize again. I'm
sorry I had the right answer.
However, I find your unseemly
comment and admonination
rather rude and uncalled for.
You certainly are not a REAL
Kimlet since you don't have
any sense of humor.... For
goodness' sake,-- goodness
has nothing to do with it, I
know ...... ain't this just a
game???????
Anyway, I love to be
bitch-slapped I guess, since
so many reacted to my
wrongdoing.....
Let me remind you, Unseemly
Reminder, that "Nobody's
Perfect", whether American,
German, French or
Spanish....and obviously, I
know what I'm talking about !!!!
Please, forgive me
escusa me, por favor
toutes mes excuses.
and let our smiles be our
umbrella, and vice versa, and
versa vice....
No hard feelings, I hope.
Posted by francois monferran @ 05/18/2002 03:57 PM PST
Good grief!
I'm gonna get bitch-slapped
again.....I meant to write
"admonition"
i'm gonna be accused of not
being able to write English
properly!!!!!
Well, i'm turning 52 TODAY, so
i'm getting my lesson in
humiliation, i guess....
Two more things, before I go
fly my kite;
i take Mr Anthony Warlow for
one of the greatest singers of
all times....and, he is NOT
French....
Bruce, the 3 D movie you saw
in Disneyland was a Chip and
Dale cartoon called "Working
For Peanuts", the only 3d
cartoon done by the Disney
Studios ( animated mainly by
Bill Justice ) and it was shown
again, in the late eighties, in
the Magic Kingdom of Walt
Disney World, where I worked
for 6 years...
This time....
I'm gone !!!!!
Posted by francois monferran @ 05/18/2002 04:16 PM PST
Dear François,
Please come home. All is forgiven.
And lest the rest of us (the Usonian contingent) forget, "to post" in British is "to mail".
Craig:
Nor can you underline, change font size, or do most anything else. A poor html interpreter, but our own.
Posted by William F. Orr @ 05/18/2002 05:30 PM PST
Personally, I would like us to simply change the trivia rules to state that the first person to post (not mail) the answer here is required to pay travel expenses for all the rest of us to their place of origin, so that we might all get together for a collective bitch-slap, to be followed, of course, by ham chunks, cheese slices and dancing the Hora. This could become quite the moveable feast, and would no doubt spread the haineshisway.com name far and wide (and also wide and far).
Posted by JMK @ 05/18/2002 06:31 PM PST
P.S. And Francois, I have always thought of the U.S.A. as the "admoni-nation". Isn't that why the French despise us so? :)
Posted by JMK @ 05/18/2002 06:33 PM PST
No bitch-slapping ever for le français who would enjoy it.
Posted by the Unseemly Reminder @ 05/18/2002 07:04 PM PST
While we have François''s attention with all our admonitions, bitch slaps, and apologies, I would like to ask him about the situation of musical theatre in France.
We all know the works of Boubille and Schoenberg, which I think are more in a tradition of European opera cum Lloyd Weber than of the American musical.
And Irma la douce is one of my favorite shows, of which I was happy to purchase a CD in the original French recently.
But other than that, is there much interest in musical theatre in France? I'm somwhat of a collector of foreign-language albums of musicals, and Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Catalonia are all well represented. All I have in French is Jacques Brel's marvelous translation of Man of la Mancha (with Joan Diener!) and an album of Gigi in French, which French friends assured me is different translation from the French soundtrack (c'est la barbe! versus quelle ennuie!, for example. (Oh, and of course the soundtracks to the three Jacques Demy/Michel Legrand films.)
But what about other American musicals? What about Sondheim? Are they staged in France?
Posted by William F. Orr @ 05/18/2002 09:39 PM PST
NOW PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!
I got the first trivia question and pretty sure I have the second one. So no one answer it here! EMAIL
Posted by MDS @ 05/18/2002 10:40 PM PST
I would like to recommend a movie called Sordid Lives. I saw it again this night and I thought it was just as funny as the last time I saw it. It was brought back by "popular demand" to this theater that specialize in independat films.
I post this link so yuo can get to know a little more about it. If you have the chance to see it, so so!
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0204640
Posted by Michael Shayne @ 05/18/2002 10:43 PM PST
Hello, all. I am back from a fine day in NYC where I was pleased to see The Crucible. I even saw some celebrities in the street. I saw the lovely Mr. Tom Aldrege and I also saw the lovely Ms. Dana Ivey. However, both looked as though they wished not to be disturbed, so I did not disturb them. Anyway. The Crucible was wonderful, but I couldn't help but weep as I saw the Elaine Stritch posters outside of the Neil Simon Theatre... Only eight more performances left and I haven't seen but one... Ah well, every day a little death. Anyway. Now I'm in a sad mood. Oh, well. Hey, since I just bought the cd (out of curiosity), what does everyone think about Marie Christine? I like the concept...
Posted by Lolita @ 05/18/2002 11:12 PM PST
I meant to write after that "but does anyone write songs anymore???"
Posted by Lolita @ 05/18/2002 11:13 PM PST
The French don't like (and generalizing here) don't like Broadway style musicals.I would go as far as saying it is a cultral thing.
After Les Miz successfully played in Quebec in French (and English) the producers took the production to France where it failed to attract an audience and closed quickly. France is the only country where Les Miz was not embraced.
Barnum played there but was not a success.
Although the pop/rock musical Starmania did succeed there it originated in Quebec as did another version of The Hundbuck of Notre Dame was popular in the last few years. But these were not in the traditioanl American musical style. When Starmania was revamped in English as Tycoon with lyrics by Tim Rice it failed.
Very few American film musical were dubbed completely into French. That means including the songs. When I lived in Montreal I would see many films on TV dubbed into French but when it came time for the songs they would almost always be in English.
The four films that come to mind that were completely dubbed into French were Gigi (Maurice Chevalier dubbed his own voice), The Sound of Music, My Fair Lady, and Fiddler on the Roof.
There might be more but at the moment these are the ones that come to mind.
I even seen cases where the French dubbbed version eliminated all the songs. The only one that I can remember this happening to was (and I believe I have mentioned this before) How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying.
Posted by Michael Shayne @ 05/19/2002 06:18 AM PST
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Posted by Michael Shayne @ 05/19/2002 08:19 AM PST
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Posted by freedunit @ 05/19/2002 08:53 AM PST
To Michael:
I'll bet you say that to all the guys!
(It was a nice surprise, though)/
Posted by Kerry @ 05/19/2002 09:05 AM PST