Posted by Philip Crosby @ 08/26/2002 10:02 AM PST

Once again I have nothing to add to the conversation, as I don't recall having ever seen Twilight Zone. It was probably too scary, and my mom wouldn't have let me watch it.

Posted by Laura @ 08/26/2002 10:15 AM PST

Laura, you have been seriously deprived and you need to see some TZs immediately.

Philip Crosby, your titles are:

1. The After Hours
2. Time Enough At Last
3. The Invaders

Posted by bk @ 08/26/2002 10:25 AM PST

"The 18-Millimeter Shrine" starring Miss Ida Lupino with a score by Franz Waxman.

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/26/2002 10:51 AM PST

WHOOPSIE!

"The 16-Millimeter Shrine" (I am 18 going on 16...)

Also:

"To Serve Man" creeped me out more than any of the episodes!

Posted by Ron Puliam @ 08/26/2002 10:54 AM PST

Well, I never.

Really.

Of all things.

And in of all places!

Check out what is being reviewed at Film Score Daily today!!!!

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/26/2002 10:56 AM PST

I checked out the above website. Am I supposed to be surprised that they reviewed a stage musical on a site that is for film scores? What upset me was when I decided to see their review of THE FIRST NUDIE MUSICAL but their search engine said it did not exist. I am still waiting to see this masterpiece reviewed in major publications such as Entertainment Weekly, People or The New York Times but it seems to get passed over each week for less interesting titles. Didn't Image Entertainment send them review copies?

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 08/26/2002 11:10 AM PST

I'd have to say that my favorite TZ is "The After Hours" as well.

Other favorites are:
"Shadow Play" - Spooky.
"Kick the Can" - Extremely poignant.
"Night of the Meek" - One of the few TZ episodes that left you feeling happy.
"Miniature" - Simply brilliant.

Of course, I've only seen a couple of TZ episodes that I didn't like at all. (Anyone remember the Hitler one?)

Posted by Mark @ 08/26/2002 11:30 AM PST

Sorry. I cannot answer the question.

I thought it of interest that they chose to review "Hairspray" and that it was such a positive review. It's not something they have ever done there before.

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/26/2002 11:30 AM PST

Mark: I certainly remember the one with Dennis Hopper being sucked into a neo-Nazi group of thugs with the ghost of Hitler hovering over him. That was a very chilling episode and brilliantly acted, too.

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/26/2002 12:28 PM PST

Well, I suppose that I, like Laura, must search out some TZ episodes to make up for the fact that I have seen very very little of the series, and what I may have seen some years back I don't remember in the least.

Posted by Jed @ 08/26/2002 12:39 PM PST

I don't think I've ever seen a complete episode of the Twilight Zone; they kind of creep me out. But I think I have seen parts of two of them. One involving heinous looking creatures performing surgery and the other involved a plane wreck, a girl on a tricycle and a time warp. So I guess by default, they would have to be my favorites.

Posted by Mark L. @ 08/26/2002 01:09 PM PST

Hello, my loves...I've returned! Did you miss me? I missed you! I can't write much right now, but I'll be back later in the evening...SO much to tell!

JMK...I'm so sorry to hear about your son. I'm glad to hear that he'll be OK. My thoughts are with you and your family.

Posted by Jason @ 08/26/2002 03:08 PM PST

This is fascinating. I wouldn't have thought anyone would not know The Twilight Zone episodes. Mark L., the creatures performing surgery is one I named in my list - it's called Eye of the Beholder, an astonishing show, especially directorially. Now, we've got to get some action here, we've got to get up off our collective butt cheeks and get our traffic up or we will not beat our July record and frankly or williamly I need to beat something so it may as well be the July record, damn them, damn them all to hell.

Posted by bk @ 08/26/2002 03:21 PM PST

In addition to some of the ones mentioned:
A Stop at Willoughby
A Penny for your Thoughts

Posted by steveg @ 08/26/2002 03:23 PM PST

I shall join Laura and Jed but not the in the Twilight Zone. not sure that I ever saw an espisode.

Welcome back Jason.

Now to open my email Ron!

Posted by Tom from OZ @ 08/26/2002 03:29 PM PST

Ron, you have caused me grevious pain. I thought it would have been clear from my post yesterday that Mr. Sondheim and I share the correct spelling of the name "Stephen," and yet you have had the gall, the unmitigated gall, to send us to a site where Mr. Sondheim's name is spelled with a "v" rather than the correct "ph." And you did this without warning us first! Shame, Shameshame, Shameshameshameshameshame! A plethora of shames I bequeath to you!

I'm feeling better now. *sigh*

I really don't remember the original Twilight Zone, having been a little too young when they first came out and would have made their greatest impression. They're still quite easy to find over at the SciFi Channel, but I am as easily found watching the FoodTV Channel instead.

I do remember the next series Serling was responsable for, Night Gallery. In particular, I remember a story about a little boy who could predict the future, and becomes a media sensation because of that ability. The only problem is that he can only predict things if he has some idea of what he is predicting. He can't predict an election's outcome, for instance, if he hasn't yet learned what an election is.

One day, the little boy predicts that the very next day everyone will be happy, that there will be peace and no strife in the world. Only later, he confesses to his Grandfather that he lied. He had been reading a book about science, which explained how stars could explode and go supernova, and he didn't want everyone to know the truth about the very next day, and what was about to happen to our sun.

I don't know if anyone remembers, but the gimmick of Night Gallery was that each story was introduced with a painting that matched the story to follow. This story's painting was of the little boy, looking out from within a crystal ball. A couple of years later, I saw the painting in a discount mall, up for sale. If I'd had the money, I would have bought it, and upset my mother with it. The missed opportunities of youth, I suppose.

I think I'll forgive Ron now. No telling when that little boy's prediction will come true, after all...

Posted by S. Woody White @ 08/26/2002 03:31 PM PST

Well, holy crap!

I didn't write the fershluganah article.

I reject, outright, all the shames. I do not do guilt.

It will be a cold day in hell before I refer any of you to anything out of the ordinary again!

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/26/2002 05:23 PM PST

Glad to see I'm not the only one who never saw Twilight Zone. I don't feel quite so odd now.

Posted by Laura @ 08/26/2002 05:36 PM PST

We must accept our shames, we must bask in our shames, we must revel in our shames. The simple reason, in my opinion (IMO, in Internet lingo) that filmscoremonthly.com reviewed the cast album of Hairspray, is that its music is by someone who has written quite a few film scores. I do happen to think they are butt cheeks for not even mentioning The First Nudie Musical, and I shall bitch-slap Mr. Jeff Bond the next time I see him.

Image did send out plenty of review copies - I have no idea why EW or the NY Times doesn't review it - too busy reviewing stuff even I wouldn't buy. Well, phut to them, they are simply not with it, they are not happening, they are not in with the in crowd, they are yesterday's mashed potatoes and today's squash, they are old news, they are not part of the scene, man, they are not jiggy with it, man, they are not the bomb, they are squaresville, they are from hungersville, man, so let them review Scooby-Doo and other masterpieces of the American Cinema, because if they don't review us then they are stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid (that is three stupids, which qualifies them for cretin status). What can you do with such reading matter? You put it in the kitchen and use it for fecal matter, that is what you do with such reading matter. Fecal matter, do you hear me? Let us all say "fecal matter" on the count of three: One, two, three... FECAL MATTER! Fool around with us, sister! They will get their comeuppance and after they've gotten their comeuppance they shall get their comedownance. We shall flog them like Judge Turpin.

My goodness, that was quite a diatribe, wasn't it? I rather liked it.

Posted by bk @ 08/26/2002 05:43 PM PST

"fecal matter" -- yes, I rather like saying that.

And "doo-doo." Mustn't forget "doo-doo."

And "poopie"! There's always room for "poopie."

Honestly, it never occurred to me that the Film Score Monthly site would turn out to be so offensive to a few folks.

It's highly unusual for musicals to be mentioned, outisde of musical films as reviewed by Andy Dursin (he's the only one who reviews DVDs). So this one-time review of a Broadway score took me quite by surprise.

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/26/2002 06:01 PM PST

I wish I could find my book on the TZ so I can give all the titles. All the ones mentioned before and some of these:

Where is Everyone? The Pilot Episode.

The one with William Shatner on the airplane and the gremlin on the wing.

Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge the ony TZ episode to win an Academy Award.

The greedy relatives who have to put on a mask in order to herit money and their face turn into those masks.

An an ex-nazi guard goes back to the camp where he worked and is met by an ex-prisoner there.

Gladys Cooper as a woman who is afraid of death and helps an injure police officer played by RObert Redford.

Gladys Cooper again (I think) as passengers on a boat filled with old people except for a young couple on their honeymoon.

A man who is found to be a lone survivor in a lifeboat turns out to be a person damn to go from ship to ship before they sink.

Jack Klugman plays Jonathan Winters in a game of pool.

Jack Klugman plays a horn player who thinks about killing himself until he meets a man named Gabriel.

and of course
A little girl living with a mean aunt who befriends an eldery man next door. Who turns out to be a handsome young prince from another planet.

Posted by Michael Shayne @ 08/26/2002 06:35 PM PST

I loved the "Willoughby" episode, and the episode with Ida Lupino as the movie star.

The best would have to be the one with Anne Francis in the department store. She is perfect in that role, too.

As a kid, I loved the one written by Earl Hamner about the kids who find the world for kids underneath the swimming pool. OK, bad description but good episode (especially for a kid to see).

The scariest episode (and one I still have trouble watching) is "The Hitchhiker" with Inger Stevens. Scared me so much and still gives me chills.

And most memorable would have to be "Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" which was shown as a special TZ as I recall.

Was "The Monkey's Paw" a TZ episode or Alfred Hitchcock?

Posted by Kerry @ 08/26/2002 06:42 PM PST

Is anyone besides me wondering why BK has fecal matter in the kitchen?

Posted by Laura @ 08/26/2002 06:45 PM PST

I haven't watched THE TWILIGHT ZONE for years but still remember being scared out of my wits as a wee tot by the episode I know now, thanks to this conversation, as THE AFTER HOURS.
Coincidentally, I started watching TTZ on SciFi recently and was very taken by an episode featuring Gladys Cooper as a bedridden old dowager whose long-lost love calls her --on the telephone-- from the great beyond. A lovely --and mildly disturbing-- teleplay.

Posted by Tim H. @ 08/26/2002 07:15 PM PST

I hadn't gotten to read all the posts yet when I posted, so I now know the titles of many of the episodes I listed. There were so many that made an impression. I had insomnia for one whole summer because of "The Twilight Zone"!

Posted by Kerry @ 08/26/2002 10:13 PM PST

Laura, I did indeed wonder why BK had fecal matter in the kitchen. I also wondered if Mr. Ron Pulliam read the final paragraph of my own post, before going all nova on us. We live in a very strange world, is all I can say.

I intend to say more, about Miss Carol Lawrence and Miss Susan Egan, but will say those things tomorrow, when we don't have to ponder fecal matter in the kitchen. (Which, I hope, is the only time the names of Miss Carol Lawrence and Miss Susan Egan are mentioned in the same sentence as fecal matt...oops, I did it again, didn't I?)

Posted by S. Woody White @ 08/26/2002 10:57 PM PST

Ron Pulliam did read the final sentence of your paragraph.

My comment was out of frustration, borne of the fact that the only two comments about a link I posted to a review of "Hairspray" were critical of the site for not having reviewed something else and for the writer's having misspelled Stephen Sondheim's name.

For the latter, I was bequeathed a string of "shames," plus the notion that I had done something for which I needed to be "forgiven."

I apologize for not seeing the humor therein, and hope you will bear me no further ill feelings.

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/26/2002 11:30 PM PST

No one bears ill feelings around here. First off, there are no bears around here, so how can one bear ill feelings?

Second, I did not say I had fecal matter in the kitchen - I said one should take those various and sundried newspapers and magazines that have not reviewed a certain film and use them for fecal matter in the kitchen, i.e. if a dog or cat or bird left their droppings those rags would make perfect holders for said droppings.

Posted by bk @ 08/26/2002 11:49 PM PST

Well, I'm glad that's cleared up. I'd hate to think that any of us had fecal matter in our kitchens!!

Posted by Laura @ 08/27/2002 12:21 AM PST

Oh, my, then I'm going to be at a loss as to what to do with those various and sundried newspapers and magazines, because the dogs in our house are very well trained, and know how to ask very politely to be let outside. Perhaps I'll simply have to not purchase those various and sundried newspapers and magazines. That solution would be cheaper, at least.

Ron, I bear you no ill will whatsoever. Since Will is feeling fine and fit, as are Fred and Felix, there is obviously no ill Will in these parts at all. BK is in error, however: der Brucer and I are both fuzzy-faced gay men, so we are both specimens of the type of gay men known as "bears." (Honest, I don't make these things up!) So there are bears around here!

Posted by S. Woody White @ 08/27/2002 01:48 AM PST

My, my...such guilt surrounding whether or not people know from the Twilight Zone. I must admit, I do not know any of the Twilight Zone...I only know the episode with the doctors with the pig faces. So sue me...

This past weekend was absolutely fabulous until I got home last night. I was not looking forward to the trip--the long bus ride, spending the money, sitting through MERRILY twice--but once I got there I had a simply marvelous time. I went with two of the original cast members of Merrily We Roll Along, so I got to go to the closing night parties backstage on both Sat. and Sunday nights. It was fantastic. I actually shook Mr. Stephen Sondheim's hand! AND I met the dreamy Douglas Sills and Danny Gurwin (more like Danny GRRRR-win, if you ask me) as well as the wonderful Ms. Emily Skinner and Ms. Randy Graff and Raul Esparza and Blair Brown and Michael Cerveris and a surprise guest--Mr. Anthony Rapp of Rent and You're A Good Man, Charlie Brown fame. He was there as a mere observer of the shows, and he happens to be a good friend of one of my Merrily pals, so we all hung out for the weekend. In short, I made some FABULOUS connections and had a simply marvelous time. Oh, and the shows were divine. Ms. Judy Kuhn was AMAZING as Fosca and Ms. Rebecca Luker surprised me by actually acting! She really was quite splendid.

My utter joy and glow of happiness, however, was quickly vanquished once I got home. I am horrified to tell you that I found out last evening that a very dear, close friend of mine told me that he has discovered that he has lung cancer, and it has possibly spread to his liver and bones. He is only 22 years old. He lives in London, so I am completely unable to be with him. He is living with his ex-boyfriend, who is an absolute sweetheart, and they have both become very very important men in my life. I speak with them at length everyday online and I am absolutely heart-broken. I cried for hours last night until I nearly made myself sick. Mo is supposed to come visit me in December, but honestly, I'm not sure if he'll even be around in December. I'm trying my best to stay positive about this, and I would like to ask my fellow Hainsie/Kimlets to keep both Mo and Alex (his ex) in your thoughts and prayers. They're both facing very difficult times, and they're going to need all the love and support that they can get. And if you can manage to stick a prayer or two in there for me, too, that'd be great.

Anyway...moving on to less gloomy things...I got my package in the mail yesterday, Tom. Thank you so very much. I really enjoy that first number--"The Age of Reason." Is John Fartham (or whatever his name is) David Campbell's father? They sound very similar.

What is all this talk of "bears?" Have I ever mentioned that I hate that term? I also hate the term "Twink." I dunno...I'm weird like that. :-)

Posted by Jason @ 08/27/2002 05:46 AM PST

Jason - if you're reading this, then that means that I've been able to communicate before Tuesday's notes go up.
Jimmy Barnes of the Aussie band COLD CHISEL is the father of David Campbell, whose next album sounds as if it is going to be along the same lines as that of one certain Matt Zarley on that label that dare not be named. UGH!

Posted by td @ 08/27/2002 06:17 AM PST

Jason, I am so very very sorry to hear about your friend having cancer. It's a very difficult time for Mo and Alex, and you, too, as their support. I lost my best friend to lung cancer several years ago.

Posted by Laura @ 08/27/2002 07:27 AM PST

Jason: I lost my mother to a relapse of cancer several years back, so I know what you are feeling now. This initial shock will pass soon enough, so you will be able to concentrate on what is necessary, giving your support to Mo and Alex. They are blessed to have a friend such as yourself.

Now, about Bears: I love the term myself, but then I am one, after all. Twinks is a term I don't care for, as it is so obviously derisive, but Bears have taken the term to discribe themselves, and even organize using the term. And I'm sure you meant "dislike" rather than "hate," an overused and poorly used word if there ever was one. (You might want to look up the "Annoying words/phrases" thread at Sondheim.com, where I wrote too much about this very subject.)

Posted by S. Woody White @ 08/27/2002 08:04 AM PST

Wow--I was narcisisstically doing a yahoo search under my name to see if anyone on the Internet had called me smart or handsome lately when I stumbled upon this whole First Nudie Musical controversey. Rest assured I immediately alerted the FSM staff to turn the offices upside down in search of any copies of the film or soundtrack in question but we haven't found any. And even if we had, wouldn't our longstanding personal relationship with Guy Haines render any review we wrote of said musical inherently suspect? That and the fact that we don't know a musical from our own asses?

Posted by Jeff Bond @ 10/16/2002 02:31 PM PST