Replies: 38 Unseemly Comments
First, I must address the question of malaise, as it was my very self who was chastising people for not posting and in that very post I confessed to being errant and truant (not to mention truant and errant) in my own posts. So who am I to talk?
Besides, what is malaise but some new sort of salad dressing concocted by the French? Not to be confused with "French dressing", which, I believe, is unknown in France. Perhaps François should weigh in here. I don't want to be accused of francophobia again.
As to being figs, I say to the Renees of the world, yes, we are a bunch of figs--and proud of it! I think Renee secretly wishes he/she were a fig but can't get a date.
And the most wonderful thing that has happened to me due to the Internet, due in fact (IF in Internet Lingo) to posting on a newsgroup, is that I met an individual with whom I am now collaborating on an artistic endeavor. Which is one of the positive things I mentioned yesterday.
The second most wonderful thing that happened to me due to the Internet was, of course, meeting up with Mr. Bruce Kimmel and discovering this here web site and the marvelous bunch of figs who populate it.
Posted by William F. Orr @ 09/16/2002 10:34 AM PST
I've met a few people from online. Sometimes we find there's nothing in common in person and it ends. But I have also met some folks online and we get along great in person (Dear Reader Kerry being an example). In fact, I first chatted with BK online in a chatroom with several other people, so he kinda knew who I was when we met in person.
On the other hand, I've been driven from a chat room when I said that I didn't like a certain musical.
Posted by Laura @ 09/16/2002 11:35 AM PST
Oh -- and I'm proud to be part of such a great bunch of figs!
Posted by Laura @ 09/16/2002 11:36 AM PST
Dear Reader Laura nails it on the head!
She's a lovely person, no mistake.
I am greatly curiousified over which musical dissing got you run out of a chat room!
Malaise -- I've been there. Singapore to be specific. Lovely, lovely city with SO much humidity it makes every hair on your body curly.
Okay...but sometimes you just don't want to write anything. Sometimes you feel like everything will come out wrong if you start writing.
I've had some wonderfully generous e-mails from folks who post here and I'm grateful to each and every one of them for reaching out. Like many of you, I visit various forums and contribute when I can, plus I'm part of largish group of folks who have an e-mail discussion group -- no URL or website...just a "group address" and we chat among ourselves about film music. Sometimes my mail box has 85-140 messages in it. That takes a lot of time to read and is nearly impossible to answer.
I wish I could always be as talkative as I'd like, but it's not possible. I never mean anything personal by it!
That's what makes posting here such fun. And I've enjoyed the private communiques from those who have written me. I sincerely hope I've not been unkind to anyone.
Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 09/16/2002 11:47 AM PST
I really feel sorry for the Renees of this world. That they have nothing better to do than to spew the hate and venom. If someone is offended by what they read on this message board than please move and you don't have to come back here. Renee did not have the chutzpa to post on a recent board but had to go back to May. She or He is a coward.
I think it is fabulous that haineshisway.com has wide demographics. It seems that we have both men and women. Gay people and straight people. Young and old. People in show business and people who are not. We have people from Australia, France, Canada, England and the United States. We hall the hatred going on in the world and the tragedy of 9/11 we have to look beyond our different color skin, religion, ethnic backgrounds, nationalities, sexualities and realize that we are all human beings first.
How can "Christians" hate homosexuals citing certain passages in the bible, but yet forget that the bible also said that God create man in his own image. And then there is one of the Ten Commandments as written in the Old Testament (Chronicle the history of the Jewish people) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor or in other words Love Thy Neighbor.
I am was born into the Jewish faith, but believe more in the universal good of mankind. I bear no false witness against anyone and believe we are all brothers and sisters. That we call have Karma and when we do good to our fellow man, good comes back to us. In other words "Do Unto Others As You Want Others Do Unto You"
As I was writing this a song popped into my head and it so happens it was a song recorded by Mr. Bruce Kimmel and as far as I know the only recording of it.
It takes all kinds
To make up a world
It takes all kinds
It takes thin kinds
It takes fat kinds
It takes round kinds
It takes flat kinds
It takes small kinds
It takes tall kinds
To make up a world
It takes strong types
It takes weak types
It takes French types
It takes Greek types
It takes sheik types
It takes freak types
To make up a world
Everyone is like no other
Everyone is unique
But we are still like one another
Member of the club
From the day you're born
Members of the club
In a long long line
Members of a club
Baby you can leave
But you can't resign
It takes all sorts
To make up a world
It takes all kinds
The lyrics are by Stephen Sondheim
Why do other contries such as Canada, Holland, England, Sweeden accept gay people and afford them rights? They are Christians as are the Christians in the USA and yet they look beyond the those few passages condemming homosexuality.
It's an abomination.
Leviticus 18:22
And don't forget you can sell your daughter into slavery
Exodus 21:7
If you work on the Sabbath you should be put to death
Exodus 35:2
Touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. If the players wear gloves can they still play?
Leviticus 11:7
If you plant crops side by side, you have to stone the farmer.
or Burn your mother at a small family gathering for wearing a garmet made of two different threads?
Today I leave a link to my email address. This is something I haven't done in a long time. So if you do not feel like responding in a public form you can respond to me privately.
Posted by Michael Shayne @ 09/16/2002 12:06 PM PST
Interesting topic. I don't post as often as I used to when I first discovered the Internet. Some of it just has to do with time (not enough) and some of it is related to the Renee's of the cyberworld. While most of my virtual contacts have been pleasant and interesting, I find, at some boards, a very unpleasant feeling of competition. I'm not sure that's the right word to describe it, but I don't know what else to call it. I've seen "flaming" (a diatribe many times filled w/insults that have nothing to do with the topic at hand) enough times that I don't post to many boards and, in fact, I've stopped going to some boards because the "flame" quotient is so high. One of the reasons I lurked here for a couple of weeks was to get a feeling for the kind of posts and discussions I would read. I saw that it was a place for real discussions and fun back and forth. The lack of flaming is one of the reasons I enjoy this board so much. The people are intelligent and friendly and if they disagree, it's not taken personally. You can post a comment without fear of having your mother's past history called into question.
I have had lots of discussions with people on-line, but I haven't met many of them (even if they are in the same city) so I have no stories to report.
Well, it's back to work for now. I'm listening to Liz Callaway (The Beat Goes On) in an effort to remain alert at my desk. I've been working 6 days a week for the past few weeks due to a deadline and it's beginning to catch up with me. Later, Hainsies/Kimmlets.
Posted by Ben @ 09/16/2002 12:21 PM PST
Here to redeem myself after
being a part of yesterday's
posting malaise. Today I post
with vim and vigor and other
similarly silly words.
I don't believe I have yet met
anyone in person from my
internet communications.
This is a trend I hope to break
someday, as I would like to
meet any and all of our
wonderful Hainsies and
Kimlets. For I believe we are
truly a swell group, dripping
with ginchiness. I thank
everyone on this board, all my
fellow figs, and particularly our
host Bruce, for bringing some
fun and joy into my life every
single day.
Posted by Jed @ 09/16/2002 12:41 PM PST
Why don't you all come over to England and then we can be a bunch of fogs.
As to the best thing that's happened on the internet, (and I hope this doesn't have you all, sorry y'all, reaching for the sick-bag) but it's getting to communicate with people from all over the world with similar interests, be we fags, figs, fogs or whatever.
And I bet we're all a lot happier than Renee!
Posted by Allan @ 09/16/2002 12:57 PM PST
Another thing the Bible seems to "approve of" with reservations -- apparently it's okay to enslave folks from neighboring countries, but we are reminded to treat the slaves well.
Don't recall chapter/verse, but I'm certain it's in there!
Trouble is, there are two points of view: One is that the Bible is onehundrepercent the infallible word of god. The other is that man (replete with man's fallibilities) wrote all the Bible, some of which was inspired (and possibly acquired from other cultures) and some of which was dictated by conventions of the time.
Many folks profess to believe it's the infallible word of God but only when it suits their purposes, certain not in all the Bible's prohibitions.
Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 09/16/2002 01:17 PM PST
Well, Ron, as long as we are talking about the Bible, I recall what Sojourner Truth said, "Don't you know the Bible is just like an old fiddle. You can play any tune you want to on it."
I'm particularly worried about all those people wearing 40/60 cotton/polyester blend who don't know it is an abomination. Well, I guess there are abominations, and then there are abominations.
Posted by William F. Orr @ 09/16/2002 01:31 PM PST
May I share a little joy with you without sounding "too" boastful?
Today I received some autographed material that pleases me to no end.
I have a sketch of Kander and Ebb, autographed by both; a color drawing of Betty Comden and Adolph Green, autographed by both; and autographed cards by Burton Lane, Cy Coleman, Sammy Cahn and Marilyn & Alan Bergman.
I won them in an eBay auction...for about $36!!!!!!!!!!
Oy!
Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 09/16/2002 01:32 PM PST
Renee seems to have had the effect of a dose of dates and figs for breakfast - things are certainly moving along.
The internet has given the possibilty of easily importing Cds of interest from the likes of Amazon in different countries. Quite a advantage over trying to find a Cd shop that will actually bother to try and help you and doesn't not think you're slightly insane asking for Show music which is not listed in their local catalogues. It has been a joy to correspond with people on this site (either publicly or privately). I too hope to meet some of the Kimlets one day. I don't contribute to any other sites and I have never been in a "chat room". The internet has been great in opening up the world of email to me. It is so much easier to contact friends locally and internationally.
Fig tolerance is so much greater here in Oz than when I was a kid. At least we have moved along on that path. Now we need to realise that refugees from the Middle East and Asia are not threats and that we actually have to as a country admit our wrongs to the indigious population. I hope the world does not view us entirely as the living words of our politicians who seen to be without souls and compassion.
I did not really view this as a fig/fog site at all! I suspect it must be the salad recipes that are so upsetting. Welcome to the "Fields Of Ambrosia" which I must now play. "Billy" also gives a reference or two to Ambrosia.
Posted by Tom from OZ @ 09/16/2002 02:40 PM PST
(It's feast or famine with me, apparently.)
I got the following in my e-mail today (wish it had been last week, though):
We Remember
September 11, 2001
On Monday we couldn't move fast enough to get someplace.
On Tuesday we sat immobile before a television or radio.
On Monday we thought that we were secure.
On Tuesday we learned better.
On Monday we were talking about heroes as being athletes.
On Tuesday we relearned who our heroes are.
On Monday we were irritated that our rebate checks had not arrived.
On Tuesday we gave money away to people we had never met.
On Monday, prayer was a complicated word.
On Tuesday you would have been hard pressed to find someone who was not praying.
On Monday we argued with our kids about picking up their rooms.
On Tuesday we could not get home fast enough to hug our kids.
On Monday we were upset that we had to wait 6 minutes in a fast food line.
On Tuesday we waited up to 6 hours to give blood.
On Monday we were man or woman, black or white, old or young, rich or poor, gay or straight, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindi, other-denominational, non-denominational, atheists, etc.
On Tuesday we were human beings who held hands and cried.
(by Eileen McDargh)
Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 09/16/2002 02:42 PM PST
all I can say is that I have been living openly as a happy and successful FIG for many years....and I wouldn't have it any other way
Posted by Donald @ 09/16/2002 02:44 PM PST
Dear Donald:
How much do you get for being a successful fig?
BTW I really enjoyed this weeks show.
Posted by MDS @ 09/16/2002 02:47 PM PST
Well, I say. Well. Given our discussion today I find it vastly amusing that I went over to a newsgroup and saw that our very own Mr. Michael Shayne had posted a nice thing about the Nudie Musical announcement and about the possibility of a new label. The minute I saw said post, I made a little bet with myself as to how long it would take for someone to respond negatively. I bet one half hour. He beat me by fifteen minutes. Here is what someone named Jon Brian wrote:
Now, what do we think of this response? What is the POINT of this response, since a) two of the labels mentioned are still in business, and the third, which was started on an investment of $12,000, put out ninety-three albums in three years and which lost no one one single penny and which folded when Varese offered to let me do what I wanted with much more freedom and with budgets which would allow me to do what I wanted, and b) my division at Varese was solidly in the black at the time it was decided not to be in the Broadway business anymore (the owner was just made too nervous by the whole theater music thing - he could never understand the WAY things would sell, and that's why that ended). As to the other label, only time will tell.
So, was that post made by someone with an unterior motive? Someone who was jealous? Someone who is envious? What if a film director made three films (out of however many) that lost money. According to Mr. Brian, he'd be OUT. Same thing with a singer - three strikes and you're OUT. As I responded to him, it wasn't HIS money, so what does he care if someone lost (which they haven't as of yet) or won? That is why I'm suspicious of posts like that.
The post was made on the rec.arts.theatre.musicals newsgroup. Do feel free to mosey on over there and give Mr. jonbrianblake the lambasting he deserves. The thread is entitled The First Nudie Musical and a new label??? and was started, as I said, by our very own Michael Shayne.
The only thing of importance is will any label put out good and interesting albums. All the rest is really the affair of the business partners, not some person who has an ax to grind or some motive which may not be clear (I think it's that latter, only it's perfectly clear to me) - just think - with this guy's logic, we'd have missed a lot of interesting albums, and some that have given a lot of people pleasure (at least according to the e-mails and reviews my albums generated).
Oh, well, perhaps he's married to Renee.
Posted by bk @ 09/16/2002 04:15 PM PST
When I looked at that thread just now, there was only Michael Shayne's posting. Maybe my computer is especially slow.
Posted by Laura @ 09/16/2002 04:34 PM PST
Dear MDS:
I'm so happy you enjoyed this week's radio show -- it was fun editing all the songs together (some a bit smoother than others).
As for my pay as a successful FIG, well, let's just say that being a dried up old fruit is payment enough for me. :-)
Posted by Donald @ 09/16/2002 04:47 PM PST
Warm hugs (it is nice Spring day here) and happy thoughts to you BK. At least we all have this positive site to log on to. I still believe the majority of people are kind. I have been "finding" music for quite a few radio listeners this year. They are often older citizens and I have received some delightful letters and thanks for my small efforts to help them. The joy of my "work" is in these "feedback letters". I have often had people point out the faults in my own publications (Faults of which I am usually fully aware). It is the joy in finding fault that seems to keep them going - What a way to live! As a teacher I always tried to emphasise the positives in submitted work and to use the "problems" as stepping stones to improvement. Negativity really leads nowhere.I always feel that I am among friends here at HHW. Here we can "off" days and no-one is really critical - it is usually the reverse. Support from friends. This really has been the most positive outcome of my connection to internet technology.
It is nearly the time for warm weather salads - Ambrosia of course.
Posted by Tom from OZ @ 09/16/2002 04:48 PM PST
Laura - I guess different computers get these posts at different times. You can still respond, however, by cutting and pasting the quote from jonbrianblake above. Or wait till it shows up. Did you use google?
By the way (BTW, in Internet lingo) I am very jiggy with today's posts - oh, yes, I am very jiggy.
Posted by bk @ 09/16/2002 04:52 PM PST
All this fig and fruit talk Donald.
Liasons and raisons come to mind.
I have no idea of even how to or whether I can listen to your shows. I suspect I can't (or can't afford the NET time). I should investigate further as they sound such fun.
Laura: Thanks for the comment re Mr Graae. I shall now have to review Gippetto though after checking out his photos on CDs I think I remember his part. (He probably wants his part remembered but I don't mean that - even if he if fully dressed with just a smile.).
Posted by Tom Guest @ 09/16/2002 04:56 PM PST
Well, the salad is ready, with all the figs and dates.
Now we just have to decide on the dressing: Ambrosia, Malaise, or Jed's Vim and Vinegar.
Posted by William F. Orr @ 09/16/2002 05:03 PM PST
Donald F.: Re today's radio show. Very good work. As always, I look forward to Monday morning so I can settle in and listen to the show while I'm working. The blend in Soliloquy was so subtle I almost missed it! You mentioned that John Raitt and Michael Hayden had done it and says I to myself, no, there was no Mr. Hayden. What happened? I went back and listened to the clip again and there it was, the shift from Mr. Raitt to Mr. Hayden.
All the work you put into these shows must take an extraordinary amount of time. I, for one, am very appreciative and grateful for the hard work. Thanks, again.
Posted by Ben @ 09/16/2002 05:14 PM PST
Tom: I think his part is called "Father No. 2." He's in the big number about toys and also at the very end, holding a little girl. I only saw it once, and it was a few years ago.
Posted by Laura @ 09/16/2002 05:35 PM PST
IA MA A FIG AND I AM PROUD!
MY PARENTS HAVE PROUDLY RAISED A FIG!
MY MINISTER THINKS I'M A MARVELOUS FIG!
MY COSTUMERS ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THIS PARTICULAR FIG SERVICING THEM.
MY BOSS HAS HAS OTHER FIGS WORKING FOR HIM, BUT THEY DIDN'T WORK OUT.
GOD BLESS AMERICA, AND ITS MANY, MANY FIGS!
(Now that I'm outta the fig closet, can I PLEASE have a date?)
Sorry to shout, but, Renee, or whoever had me burnt up.
Then, I went over to RATM, and found that someone named Jon decided to delurk with a stupidity-driven post about Michael's announcements about BK's career.
Well, the internet has made me many friends - some I have met face to face and continue to see; one of my employers (Scarlet Street magazine's Richard Valley) approached me via email to write for him after reading my reviews over at dvdlaunch; Steph Dunn (another of my employers) gave me a long-running writing assignment because of my dvdlaunch review of ELMER GANTRY (which, Bruce, your notes seemed more redolent of HIM, rather than Katherine Kuhlman, or maybe you were channeling Sharon Falconer), which is ironic since my gig with Steph is for an adult site; and back to where it all began: my primary writing gig at www.dvdlaunch.com came about because of newsgroup postings.
I can honestly say that the internet and I get along very well.
Posted by td @ 09/16/2002 05:35 PM PST
I'm missing something from BK's posting above. I see nothing in there that looks like comments made by a Jon Brian.
What I see from one paragraph to the next is this:
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Was something supposed to be in between those two paragraphs?
Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 09/16/2002 06:21 PM PST
Ah, poop.
Okay, what I saw was a sentence ending in a colon indicating I was about to read a statement made by Jon Brian. The next graph starts with this:
"Now, what do we think of this response?"
Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 09/16/2002 06:24 PM PST
How very strange. I have that site on my favorite places list, but it shows only the original post. I have tried three different ways to find any responses, but nothing else shows up.
Posted by Laura @ 09/16/2002 06:40 PM PST
The responses are showing up on AOL, but not on Google. I took the liberty of checking this guy's profile on AOL, and he does have one, perhaps apocryphal. But, considering this immediate sniping on both ATC and RATM, one does have to wonder, doesn't one?
Posted by JMK @ 09/16/2002 07:06 PM PST
While I have never been attacked on the Internet for being a fig, I have been attacked for being a "self-hating" fig.
Let me explain. Der Brucer and I are both figs, nestled comfortably in our pretty fig dish, but we are also conservatives and active politically. There are figs out there who strongly believe that anyone who is conservative and a fig cannot possibly be a self-respecting fig, because all conservatives hate figs (they say). Therefor, since anyone who is conservative hates figs, any fig who claims to be conservative must hate himself/herself.
It also holds, with these figs, that anyone who votes for any party (other than the one these figs vote for) must be voting for everything and anything that party has said, and thus be responsible for everything and anything that party has said, and therefor should be attacked for everything and anything that party has said. No-one within that party could ever disagree with any view the party has ever held. (This, of course, was most recently told to me at the same time I received a newsletter from a coalition within a certain party actively opposing certain views held by that party.)
In other words, a party who votes for a party is party to everything done at the party's parties, regardless of whether that party has paid dues to the party, and ignoring the fact that the parties only allow parties who have paid dues to the party to party at the party's parties.
I'm so glad I've had the opportunity to make that clear. As it is, I'm starting not to give a fig.
Posted by S. Woody White @ 09/16/2002 07:28 PM PST
Well, I have broken my fast, and am full of vim and vigor!
The internet has brought me great ways to keep up with theatrical news and reviews, it has brought me the wonderful postings here at Hainshisway.com and Sondheim.com, where I can be just as figgy as I please, thank you very much!, and I have met a friend in Canada, who acts at the Shaw Festival. It has also brought me meaningless chain letters and pop-up ads, and wasted lots of my time, but I think that that's a small price to pay.
I don't patronize newsgroups where there are many people like Renee.
Posted by Hapgood @ 09/16/2002 07:33 PM PST
I went to the newsgroup first and I was shocked to see the hateful posts. I thought that I had done the wrong thing and was getting ready to write a letter of apology to Mr. Kimmel.
I then came here to see what other posting were made and was relieved to see one by BK. I was so scared that I may have F* Up. But I should have known that these people who write on the newsgroups often have their own
adjendas. I now remember why I stopped posting to them.
It sad really. I thought I was imparting some interesting information that musical theater lovers could get interested in. I know I am looking forward to the possibility of The First Nudie Musical on stage and a new label from BK as well.
Posted by Michael Shayne @ 09/16/2002 08:21 PM PST
Well, my dear S. Woody White, I have had some experience with the Conservatives, as a fig myself, but not exactly a Conservative.
As I believe I mentioned here before, one of my more curious Internet activities is haunting www.freerepublic.com, the Conservative website. I go there primarily to follow the threads about figs and the fig agenda.
I have learned so much about figs there. Much more than I ever learned at fig websites. Most of it is utterly false, of course. But nonetheless (now talk about a ridiculous word, BK! I mean "nonetheless"? Now I ask you!)--but nonetheless there are lots of interesting articles posted there about figs, followed by absurd rantings from religious antifigs and lots of crude dirty jokes by (presumably) not very religious antifigs.
There is also a daily astronomy photo link which is almost always awesome, and I urge you all to bookmark it, whatever your politics.
Anyway, S. Woody White, as I was about to say (returning from my tangent), one of the interesting things often opined there is that you cannot be a Conservative without being a Christian, preferably Protestant. But I'm not sure that Presbyterians are included.
Just thought you'd like to know.
Posted by William F. Orr @ 09/16/2002 08:31 PM PST
Perhaps Renee thought this site was a British internet smoking lounge. "Fags" is a slang term for cigarettes. I'm sure that's what Renee meant. I have one thing to say to Renee. I am a Fag. Not of the Camel variety or even Lucky Strike. I fancy myself as a Marlboro looking for a man.
Whether we label ourselves fags, figs, raisins, slurpees or whatever, it's what we are inside and how we treat others that is important. Anyone who makes fun of someone because of sexual orientation or any other reason is pitifully lacking in any sense of self worth and their comments should be discarded. As was pointed out earlier, this site has great diversity. Straight, gay, bi, all colors and nationalities share their thoughts and ideas about theatre, film and music for one and all.
The most wonderful thing the internet allowed me to do was find someone. It had been a 9 year search but I found him through the internet. Ironically, his initials are BK and first name is Bruce. Not Kimmel. It was so wonderful to find this person and we are constantly in touch.
I know it isn't always easy to come up with comments but Bruce writes this "column" very well.
He is funny and intelligent and perhaps one day his Pacific Northwest contingent will get to meet him. By the way, did the sparkling prizes ever go out in the mail? Just curious.
I have to return to my Marlboro man.
Posted by Dennis Clancy @ 09/16/2002 09:43 PM PST
Well, I don't frequent any other newsgroups, message boards, usergroups, chat rooms or anything. I was a virgin before this, and I remain true to haineshisway. I have found and met a friend in dear reader Laura, and I feel I've gained other friends who I have not met in person. The best things to happen to me as a reult of the internet have been finding books, records, magazines, etc. that I've wanted for years and could never find. Most importantly, it has led me to all y'all. I realize that sounds sappy, but that's the kind of guy I am.
Posted by Kerry @ 09/16/2002 10:42 PM PST
My name is Kerry, and I'm a fig.
"Hello, Kerry!"
And darn proud of it.
This could be a great musical!
Posted by kerry @ 09/16/2002 10:43 PM PST
So far, I've had only positive experiences meeting people from usenet. I've been fortunate enough to develop a few strong, lasting friendships that way. I've met people I'd never have encountered otherwise. I've learned things I never would have learned otherwise. I've had some wonderful email exchanges with people all around the world - and I definitely feel a sense of community, both here and at rec.arts.theatre.musicals. When my father died earlier this year, I was very moved by the number of people - most of whom I'd never met - who took their time to offer support and comfort through what was a thoroughly horrible, bewildering experience. Those people helped me much, much more than they could ever have known. Odd and impersonal as this form of communication can be, it can bring the most unlikely people together through a common interest - and that's worth a lot.
Posted by Stephen Farrow @ 09/16/2002 11:42 PM PST
To paraphrase a line from WILL ROGERS' FOLLIES: Never met a fig I didn't like.
Personally, I like to think of us all as human beans. That might solve the problem of "labels". Figs, raisins, etc., are so specific but, like Amys, there are multitudes of beans: kidney, green, garbonzo, black, red, mung, baked, pork and, lima, red kidney, butter, fava, great northern, black turtle, navy and even bean sprouts.
As the bumpersticker says: CELEBRATE THE DIFFERENCES!
Posted by George @ 09/16/2002 11:56 PM PST
