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I think Miss Day's reluctance was touched upon yesterday, so I will just grin and bear it...as she did when we touched her reluctance.
OMG you mentioned some lovely names. Dave Willock was in QUEEN OF OUTER SPACE of course, but he also played the vivacious Cynthia Pepper's father in the tv series MARGIE which was ever so much fun...for one season anyway.
And the lovely David Winters did a great routine with Ann-Margret in STATE FAIR that was a highlight!
And Beverly Garland, hotelier, costarred with the lovely Allison Hayes in GUNSLINGER which I just got on DVD. The picture quality is no better than the VHS and the story is just the same, but those gals can sure fuss and fight!
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/06/2003 09:16 AM PST
First post. Huzzah!
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/06/2003 09:16 AM PST
Beverly Garland seems like she would be such a cool person to know. I'm certainly a fan of her work (she always comes out smelling like a rose, even when she's made to do things like angrily confront a giant Space Pickle, as in Corman's epic "It Conquered the World"), but it's more than that. She just comes across as very down to earth, with a good sense of humor and a generous helping of self confidence. A regular-joe, salt-of-the-earth type who I'd like to grab a cuppa joe with.
If anyone has knowledge to the contrary, I would appreciate it if you would kindly not disabuse me of my notions.
BTW, BK, were you aware that Suzanne Pleshette already played Leona Helmsley around '89 in the TV movie "The Queen of Mean?" That film was based upon her earlier trial.
Fave '90s flicks:
American Beauty
Fargo
Ed Wood
Zentropa
The Crying Game
Howards End
The Silence of the Lambs
Goodfellas
The Remains of the Day
I'm sure there are more, but the pickin's certainly are slimmer here (for me) than are, say, the '30s through the '50s.
Posted by Lulu @ 02/06/2003 09:59 AM PST
Beverly Garland seems like she would be such a cool person to know. I'm certainly a fan of her work (she always comes out smelling like a rose, even when she's made to do things like angrily confront a giant Space Pickle, as in Corman's epic "It Conquered the World"), but it's more than that. She just comes across as very down to earth, with a good sense of humor and a generous helping of self confidence. A regular-joe, salt-of-the-earth type who I'd like to grab a cuppa joe with.
If anyone has knowledge to the contrary, I would appreciate it if you would kindly not disabuse me of my notions.
BTW, BK, were you aware that Suzanne Pleshette already played Leona Helmsley around '89 in the TV movie "The Queen of Mean?" That film was based upon her earlier trial.
Fave '90s flicks:
American Beauty
Fargo
Ed Wood
Zentropa
The Crying Game
Howards End
The Silence of the Lambs
Goodfellas
The Remains of the Day
I'm sure there are more, but the pickin's certainly are slimmer here (for me) than are, say, the '30s through the '50s.
Posted by Lulu @ 02/06/2003 10:02 AM PST
Curds and whey is just a fancy name for cottage cheese.
I'm glad NYC is the only place where the media is obsessed with the latest Leona trial. She fired the manager of one of her hotels because (1) his resume was a total falsehood and (2) he through S&M/B&D parties in empty suites and had the hotel maids clean up the mess. He claimed she fired him because she was anti-gay and he won a large settlement. This sounds like an episode of "The Practice". I'm no fan of Leona, but in this case I was on her side.
I know that Ms. Pleshetted did the movie about ten years ago, but this trial is not going to be ignored by the networks. I'd love to see Ann Miller in the role but I doubt if she'd do it.
Posted by William E. Lurie @ 02/06/2003 10:12 AM PST
Suzanne wore that weird mouth appliance when she played THE QUEEN OF MEAN, and I couldn't watch it.
I love my Suzanne in ROME ADVENTURE and YOUNGBLOOD HAWKE. I know one evening many years ago on The Tonight Show with Mr Johnny Carson, he asked her if she ever watched her old movies on television. She replied that sometimes she did, but that in those WB films her breasts were pulled up so high she felt as though she were wearing an extra pair of earrings. 8-D
Beverly Garland certainly can play a variety of roles - although she nearly single handedly killed off MY THREE SON (with help from Dodie). I guess I wish she didn't diss my dear Allison now and then.
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/06/2003 10:19 AM PST
Hmmmmm....for all those people who know, here is a question.
The soundtrack for THE FIVE PENNIES featuring dear reader Miss Susan Gordon, was released on the DOT label, I think.
Who owns that catalog now? If we were to want request a CD release, who would get the request?
Posted by Curious @ 02/06/2003 10:38 AM PST
Sorry about the double postings. Having trouble on my end. :)
Posted by Lulu @ 02/06/2003 10:49 AM PST
hecky durn
Posted by the Hawk @ 02/06/2003 10:53 AM PST
WEL: Apparently, Leona failed to prove her case to the jury. From what I read, her witnesses contradicted one another, changed their stories, etc. The bottom line was, the jury simply didn't buy the story about the S & M parties. Who knows, maybe it actually happened. But in the end, her witnesses apparently didn't come across as truthful...and the S & M story made it seem like Leona was trying to use old stereotypes ("homosexuality = constant, depraved sex parties") which was probably a bit of a turn-off for the more enlightened folk on the jury.
Plus, let's face it -- any trial like this, Leona has a huge handicap just by being Mrs. Helmsley.
Ya gotta hand it to her, the lady is made of steel (or perhaps some other, flintier metal). When asked if she thought all of the bad press of the past 20 years might have influenced the jury, she didn't bat an eyelash as she replied, "What bad press?"
Posted by Lulu @ 02/06/2003 10:56 AM PST
I meant "threw" instead of "through" above.
Patty Duke had an interesting story in her autobiography about Suzanne Pleshette. It seems that when SP replaced Anne Bancroft in MIRACLE WORKER Patty requested SP cut her nails but she refused so that Patty ended up with a lot of cuts on her hands from all the sign language!
90s films? Well "That's Entertainment 3" was interesting mostly for some of the out-takes, particularly Judy doing "Mr. Monotony". I loved "Strictly Ballroom". Of the Eisner animated films I enjoyed "Beauty and the Beast" (although I'd never bother seeing it on Broadway) and the Pixar "Toy Story". I felt "Lion King" had a brilliant first ten minutes that quickly went down hill after that and that "Alladin" (in an opinion not shared by many) was ruined by Robin Williams. I thought "Forrest Gump" was an excellent ninety minute film stretched out into 2-and-a-half-hours. Another favorite was "The Hudsucker Proxy". I'm not into action films or kung fu films, so off-hand I can't think of much else I really liked.
Posted by William E Lurie @ 02/06/2003 11:04 AM PST
Great story, lulu.
In the late 1950's Bette Davis was out on tour with some show. A man approached her and said that Warner Bros was getting ready to film 'The Helen Morgan Story' and wanted Bette to play the mother part.
Davis eventually was convinced that it was a genuine offer, and sent a telegram to Jack Warner to ask him about it.
Warner cabled back: No, Bette, we never even thought of you.
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/06/2003 11:04 AM PST
If I remember what Patty wrote, WEL, the fight scene was brutal with Pleshette's long nails, and eventually Patty prevailed and Susan had to cut her nails very short.
Patty wrote....of course now she understood that Suzanne wanted to be in the fashion of the day with long nails, and apologized for complaining..but it still hurt. She also admitted that most of her pique came about because she had lost Anne Bancroft as a co-star and was taking it out on Suzanne.
Patty's book is very good - if anyone hasn't read it.
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/06/2003 11:09 AM PST
Thanks for your comment on Leona, Lulu. I didn't read every detail (although I did love the part when Tom Cruise was on television and she announced "he's a homo) and maybe she didn't totally prove her case, but even if she was guilty I think the fine was excessive. A year's salary or something maybe, but millions of dollars? If he ends up with the money he'll probably buy his own hotel in competition.
Posted by William E. Lurie @ 02/06/2003 11:11 AM PST
Jr: That Jack Warner was a heckuva guy, wasn't he? Do you suppose he really put La Davis in Beyond the Forest in order to goad her into quitting the studio?
WEL: Both I and "the tubby" (as you referred to him in the last chat...typo, or...? ;) )agreed when we saw Aladdin that Williams was horrendous. I really do not see the appeal of his hyper, lame, creatively-dehydrated schtick. I know improv. I like improv. Robin Williams is not improv.
Posted by Lulu @ 02/06/2003 11:11 AM PST
Favorite 90's movies:
Foreign Films (at least to some of us):
Like Water for Chocolate
Un Coeur En Hiver
La Lectrice (actually from the 80's - oops)
The Music Teacher (also from the 80's - Jose van Damn is wonderful)
Shine
Longtime Companion
Madame Souzatska (yeah.. I know, from the 80's too..)
Trick
South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut
Billy Elliot (from 2000)
Waiting for Guffman
The Usual Suspects
-Sheesh, all the music-related movies... I guess I am a fig! ;-)
Time for me to pack for Memphis! BBQ - and UPTAs - here I come!
Posted by Jose C. Simbulan @ 02/06/2003 11:15 AM PST
I agree with you that 11 mill was excessive. His job paid 100 grand a year, so he would have had to have worked for Leona for more than 100 years to have earned that much. Hardly a likely scenario.
The idea apparently was that Leona should lose enough money for it to "hurt." I don't think this is terrific logic. It certainly makes wealthy people targets for lawsuits galore, and I don't really think our legal system was conceived as a means for rich people to be continually dragged into court by anyone and everyone looking to hit the jackpot.
Posted by Lulu @ 02/06/2003 11:17 AM PST
Oh - and Shawshank Redemption too..
Posted by Jose C. Simbulan @ 02/06/2003 11:18 AM PST
OMG, Jose, thank you!
Gotta include Waiting for Guffman and Best in Show.
And I'll jump the gun and announce the next Guest/Levy collaboration as one of my favorites of the "noughties."
Lulu, who really is shutting up now. Really.
Posted by Lulu @ 02/06/2003 11:19 AM PST
The Dot catalog is not currently under license, at least insofar as I'm aware. Several individual Dot releases have been remastered for CD by the Collector's Choice label, which specializes in re-releasing long-forgotten LPs. So I'd write to them.
Posted by JMK @ 02/06/2003 11:27 AM PST
Lulu---
I hope you realize that Lulu and Tubby were pals in the classic comic book series "Little Lulu". It was supposedly a comic for girls, but I liked it a lot even though it did get a little predictable. If they can bring back the classic Disney comics (starting this June)then maybe there's hope for LL reprints too.
Regarding Collector's Choice, it's a great label. A lot of their stuff is only sold direct from them, but by all means log on to their website and request a catalogue. They have many LPs from the 50s and 60s on CD and most of them are two LPs on one CD (most "pop" LPs were short enough to do this). They have, just for starters, Judy Garland, Doris Day, Bobby Short, Percy Faith, etc. Their prices are reasonable and their service is excellent.
Posted by William E. Lurie @ 02/06/2003 12:09 PM PST
Thanks, JMK....that's right...I get a CC catalog every six weeks or so.
I agree WEL - they have great stuff. I think I got my Polly Bergen cd there.
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/06/2003 12:17 PM PST
The Dot catalogue is owned by Universal. We did quite a few Dot reiussues at Varese - pop albums of the fifties and sixties. I tried to do The Five Pennies, even had it approved, but the owner didn't think it would make any money (we'd reissued The Court Jester/Hans Christian Andersen and the sales had been disappointing).
Posted by bk @ 02/06/2003 12:52 PM PST
Thanks, BK. 8-(
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/06/2003 12:55 PM PST
As before, starting with the Oscars:
Goodfellas
Dances with Wolves
Beauty & the Beast
JFK
A Few Good Men
Pulp Fiction
Quiz Show
Jerry Maguire (but only because it introduced me to Renee Zellweiger, who I think is fabulous)
Good Will Hunting
Shakespeare in Love
American Beauty
(Wow, looking at the list of '90s nominated films makes me realize how few of them I have seen.)
Also much to enjoy in:
Glengarry Glen Ross
Toy Story
Waiting for Guffman
Twelve Monkeys
Usual Suspects
Fargo
The Talented Mr. Ripley (Jude Law is perhaps the most beautiful man I have ever seen in my life...and I'm the straight guy around here, remember....)
Heavenly Creatures
I also have to say that if one were to look for the *worst* films of the decade, it is easier to find really bad films in the 90's than in the 70's. That says nothing about how movies are made, but much about how they are distributed and marketed.
P.S. You can count me in as one who also feels that Robin Williams has stayed too long at the party.
Posted by Dave @ 02/06/2003 01:17 PM PST
1990s
Beauty And The Beast
The Hunchback Of Notre Dame
Aladdin
Priscilla Queen Of The Desert
Tea With Musselini
Being John Malcovich
Strictly Ballroom
Priest
Sleepless In Seattle
Nobody’s Fool
Gods And Monsters
Babe
Brassed Off
The Full Monty
Remains Of The Day
James & The Giant Peach
My Father’s Glory
My Mother’s Castle
Goodwill Hunting
Casino
The Shawshank Redemption
Pleasantville
Midnight In The Garden Of Good And Evil
Toy Story
A Bug’s Life
Jurassic Park
Pret-A-Porter
Secrets And Lies
Fargo
Miss Smilla’s Feeling For Snow (or something similar!)
Posted by Tom from OZ @ 02/06/2003 01:28 PM PST
Computers-----AAAAAUUUGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Kerry @ 02/06/2003 01:36 PM PST
Tom: Smilla's Sense of Snow (iirc)
:)
-Lulu
Posted by Lulu @ 02/06/2003 01:36 PM PST
BK---
For what it's worth, I think the
"Hans Christian Anderson/Court Jester" reissue is a definite must and belongs in any serious collection of showtunes/musical soundtracks.
Does Susan Must Use Middle Name Gordon appear on "The Five Pennies" soundtrack or just in the film?
Posted by William E. Lurie @ 02/06/2003 01:39 PM PST
Thanks Lulu. Knew they had changed the book title but could not remember to what.One of the joys of living down under is that I have neard of Leona H.
Posted by Tom from OZ @ 02/06/2003 02:25 PM PST
WEL: Did I feel stoo-pid for not getting the Little Lulu reference! I thought you mis-typed "hubby" (as if you write for the National Enquirer or Star magazine!).
I did indeed read Little Lulu. Well, one issue, anyway. But that one was my faithful companion for a family road trip from Indiana to Florida, circa '82, so believe me...I bonded with that baby by the time we got there (sidenote: John Belushi died while we were in transit).
Tubby convinced Lulu that her dad was "a splitsophrenic." "Which one is he today, Vanilla Pudding or Bad Fish?" he would greet Our Miss Lu. I seem to remember him donning a deerstalker cap, capelet and smoking a bubble pipe, too. Good stuff.
Posted by Lulu @ 02/06/2003 02:31 PM PST
Miss Susan Gordon appears on two tracks, I think - I just won the LP on EBAY!
Nine count them 9 - people are waiting on AMAZON for someone to sell them the Court Jester/Hans Christian Anderson CD. I would make it 10 - but I think I will try the used CD stores first.
Here's hoping that Universal will release a few of the Billy Vaughn DOT albums - he rocks.
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/06/2003 02:39 PM PST
EMI Australia released "The Best Of Billy Vaughn" on Cd back in 1994. If there is nothing else available, maybe this will do! (Yes! I do have it in my collection).I still have all my old Vaughn 45 rpm discs too.
Posted by Tom from OZ @ 02/06/2003 04:45 PM PST
Tom - just found it on EBAY! Might win the bid....thanks.
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/06/2003 05:49 PM PST
Just had to mention my favorite '90s filmic trend -- the rediscovery of Jane Austen. From Emma to Sense and Sensibility to Persuasion to Pride and Prejudice, there was a veritable embarassment of riches for Janeites everywhere.
My favorite, though, was the one made by A&E and the BBC as a TV miniseries (so I suppose it doesn't, strictly speaking, count as cinema): Pride and Prejudice.
OMG, Colin Firth is TO DIE FOR in it!
Posted by Lulu @ 02/06/2003 06:01 PM PST
Jrand52: Let me know. Suspect it's always cheaper to check the Kimlet network first! (In my experience anyway - that's what friends are for).
I watched "Carry On Loving" the other night. Checked in my Maltin's guide and it was not listed. Neither were "Carry On Jack" and "Carry On Up The Jungle" (which is on TV this week). Maybe they were not released in the USA or are under different titles!
Posted by Tom from OZ @ 02/06/2003 06:27 PM PST
I think you all listed my faves from the 90's. I'd forgotten there WERE any good movies from then. What a nice surprise.
Posted by Kerry @ 02/06/2003 08:20 PM PST
Just checking in. Things are going just superdidooperly well. (I think I just made up a word!)
I was able to listen to a bit of the master copy of MOBY DICK today, and I have to say it sounds pretty darn good, even though it hasn't been mixed yet. There is one entrance that I made where I pulled an Elaine Stritch (on the My Favorite B'way: Leading Ladies thing)--literally searching for my pitch before I settled on one--and even now I'm not certain it was the right one. I think they got two takes on that track, so I hope they'll fix it. Normally, I really hate hearing myself sing, but I have to say that I sounded really, really good on my Moby/Michael Crawford lines. I wish I could go into the studio again and just get some practice. Anyway, the recording sounds great, and I think once the percussion and bass are added in, it will be LOVERLY. And, of course, I'm warming up my CD burner so that any of you Hainesie/Kimlets out there who want a copy may have one. :-)
Well, I have a really long day at the Met tomorrow, so I'm gonna head to bed. Hasta luego!!
Posted by Jason @ 02/06/2003 09:53 PM PST
Here are some of my favorite 1990s movies:
The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen Of The Desert
Beauty & the Beast
The Big Tease
A Bug's Life
The Crying Game
Fargo
The Hunchback Of Notre Dame
The Nightmare Before Christmas
South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut
Strictly Ballroom
I tend towards the comedies and as always, there are many, many (that's two manys) more...too many to mention.
Posted by George @ 02/06/2003 11:46 PM PST
Jeux sans frontieres
Posted by . @ 02/07/2003 03:53 AM PST
Lulu - yup I think Beyond the Forest was supposed to be a contract breaker.
I guess Bette had had enough of King Vidor on the set and marched into JL's office and said something like: This director is terrible, Jack, I have to tell you, one of us has to go. It's him or me.
And Jack Warner didn't bat an eyelash when he replied: All right, Bette, it's you.
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/07/2003 04:33 AM PST
OH AND of course, I was having trouble finding Billy Vaughn on Cd because I was searching for him and spelling his name wrong.
When I got out the LP and when JMK pointed it out....there is no second 'a' in his name.
DUH! Amazon & CD NOW and Cheap-CDS.com all have BV available...including the fastest tap dancing routine I EVER did - Hawaiian War Chant. Picture that if you will.
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/07/2003 04:47 AM PST
Tom from OZ - I just put the minimum bid on the EBAY auction, so I doubt it will hold for six days -then I can get my BV CD on Amazon. Thanks!
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/07/2003 05:06 AM PST