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First post?
I'll write more later - much to do today.
It's been recorded - but I would love for Bruce to do a studio cast recording of Li'l Abner and use songs from the movie and the show.
I'll suggest a cast a bit later after I think of one...
Posted by Craig @ 02/11/2003 09:04 AM PST
A new student joined my Career Exploration group therapy class today. He told my 350-pound psycho-therapist teacher that the reason he wasn't able to attend the first two sessions was because he had been arrested.
If I could get Bruce to make an album of one unrecorded musical, it would be The Gingham Sisters. But I think he'd have a hard time recording it since it doesn't exist.
Posted by Sandra @ 02/11/2003 09:13 AM PST
Yes, yes, a sparkling chat with Norma Shearer's name being bandied about with abandon!
Although it is NOT unrecorded, I would like for Mr BK to produce a nice studio album of the songs from Valley of the Dolls by Andre and Dory Previn and the songs by Bob Gaudio & Jacqueline Susann (and others) recorded on an album by the Arbors. Cast to be announced.
If not - then (and you can see this coming I am sure) a definitive compilation album of the BEST songs from the Beach Party pictures. There are some gems in there.
Three inches of snow today here....white diamonds...and now sunshine.
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/11/2003 09:16 AM PST
I don't know a thing about the property, I have never heard a note of it, and I have no idea how many roles for what "types" exist in it, but I adore William Finn's work and he has something called THE ROYAL FAMILY sitting on a shelf somewhere. I am confident that no one could produce a better album of this unknown show than Mr. BK, and I also have no doubt that members of his usual stable of outstanding artists could handle whatever roles need to be filled.
Posted by Jay @ 02/11/2003 09:16 AM PST
There are some recordings that exist that I would like to see BK re-do as full out studio works, for example, Boy Meets Boy. The CA via NY cast recording leaves something to be desired and while I like the Minneapolis recording I would like to hear what BK does with his stable of performers and arrangers and musicians.
There are two musicals (one produced and a flop and the other I'm not sure if it ever was produced) based on strong women performers that might be interesting to record. The first was written by Steve Allen based on the life of Sophie Tucker. Judy Garland and some others made recordings of some of the songs but I don't know if a "cast recording" exists of the show. There is also a musical based on the life of Molly Picon, the Yiddish theatre star. I have an old CD by Kaye Ballard where she sings a couple of songs from the show. As I said, I don't know if it was ever produced and I know very little of the quality of the score but it would be fun to get Kaye Ballard back in the recording studio and put the score on record.
Posted by Ben @ 02/11/2003 09:26 AM PST
Jrand52: Yes, I would love to hear selections from the Valley of the Dolls. I found a Tony Scotti (he plays Tony Polar in the movie) album this past year (Ant and I like to collect those kind of obscure recordings) where he does "Come Live With Me and Be My Love". Apparently he made another album, though we have yet to find a copy.
Posted by Ben @ 02/11/2003 09:30 AM PST
The one show that I would love Bruce to record is "Angry Housewives." I don't remember off the top of my head who wrote it. (Sorry.) I saw a professional production in Tacoma a few years ago and I was involved in a local community production the next year and they were both great productions! I think that Emily Skinner would be fabulous as the housewife who sings the song "...Cornflakes." I have never heard of any of the songs being recorded at all. This score deserves to be.
Posted by George @ 02/11/2003 09:38 AM PST
I'm afraid I'm unequal to the task of contributing anything substantive regarding today's topic. Sorry. :(
But I would just like to take a moment to ask if some kind soul out there who has TCM would be willing to tape "Trouble in Paradise" for me tonight at 8:00 EST? I would of course send you a blank tape, pay for shipping, etc. This is a film I've heard so much about and would love to view, but short of shelling out $40 for the Criterion DVD, I've never had the opportunity to see it (it doesn't appear to have ever been released to VHS).
If you'd be willing to make a tape for me, please e-mail me by clicking on my name.
(I know it's a longshot, but would've hated myself forever if I didn't at least try.) :)
Posted by Lulu @ 02/11/2003 09:45 AM PST
Congrats to all Oscar nominees. It is pitiful that Mr. Quaid is not nominated for Far From Heaven. I just watched Road to Perdition, and much as I love Mr. Newman, neither the role or the performance is Oscar-worthy. Miramax's relentless marketing paid off handsomely as it always does, and I was glad to see all of Chicago's nominations - given the wide sweep, Gere's omission is weird. What I am most thrilled about are the multiple nominations for The Pianist, a film that didn't have the benefit of the Miramax machine, but which obviously still found its way into the hands of voters. If there is any justice, its leading actor will win (I'm sure he won't - he'll lose to Nicholson, a real shame), and so will Mr. Polanski (another longshot - since when does justice win?). I will root for Miss Zellwegger, whose performance is the heart and soul of Chicago. And Velma, in any production I've ever seen of Chicago on stage (the original, the revival) does NOT take a back seat to Roxy. The journey may be Roxie's, but Velma is right there with her.
Posted by bk @ 02/11/2003 09:48 AM PST
Lulu, I don't know from taping, but I can tell you Trouble in Paradise is brilliant. While the list price of the DVD is forty bucks, it can be had for much, much less, in fact dvdplanet.com has it for twenty-five bucks.
Posted by bk @ 02/11/2003 09:51 AM PST
What am I, doing a monologue? The Doug Storm controversial interview continues to cause a storm of controversy over at broadway.com. The level of vitriol espoused by some of those self-important know-it-alls is quite disgusting. One doesn't have to agree with Mr. Storm, but what these people write is so childish and so mean-spirited that you just know they are either still in their teens or just out of them. DOTV was hated by many, liked by a few and loved by even fewer. That's what makes horse racing. But these people are like little kids in a schoolyard. It's why I brought up the Internet. I knew exactly where Doug would go, and I wanted him to go there, and I will continue to ask that question and I would imagine I will continue to get similar answers.
Posted by bk @ 02/11/2003 10:06 AM PST
SOPHIE has been recorded on LP. As soon as I get the equipment to burn CDs from LPs I can make copies.
There are two unrecorded musicals I would love for someone to record: the American version of AMOUR with the recent Broadway cast and the Jones and Schmidt GROVER'S CORNER which played only in Chicago and never made it to NY. A few of the songs were in the Jones/Schmidt revue at the York a couple of years ago (THE SHOW GOES ON) but were not included on the CD because the Wilder estate took away the rights. They were absolutely beautiful.
By the way, to expand on my Velma post from the end of yesterday's notes, Roxie and Velma have pretty much always been equal... two stars of equal talent and renown, above the title star billing for both, about the same amount of numbers, a shared eleven o'clock number, etc. It's obvious that Miramax didn't want to take votes away from Ms. Zellwegger (not to mention Ms. Hayek and Ms. Kidman who are both nominated for Miramax films) so they pushed Ms. Zeta-Jones to supporting - thereby taking away any chance that Ms. Litafah would have had).
Posted by William E. Lurie @ 02/11/2003 10:09 AM PST
BK, thanks for the info RE: Trouble in Paradise. :)
I stopped paying attention to the Oscars years ago, because I got disgusted. It truly is all about hype -- who takes out the biggest ads, who sends out the most DVDs, who gives away the best goody bags. Eeyuck. It's just embarrassing to watch grown people behave that way.
Occasionally a deserving film or performance wins, but that's rare and always seems like a lucky fluke. Even when that is the case, they wind up ruining the moment anyway. I think the last Oscars telecast I watched might have been back in '94, when Martin Landau won for "Ed Wood." I was so happy for him -- here's a guy who's toiled for years and who has really devoted himself to the craft of acting, finally getting his just desserts.
And about 1 minute into his acceptance speech, the orchestra drowned him out and forced him off the stage.
That pretty much did it for me and the Academy Awards.
Posted by Lulu @ 02/11/2003 10:09 AM PST
I read Broadway.Com every day for Ken Mandelbaum, the reviews and some of the feature stories. Where on the site is this Doug Storm controversy going on?
Posted by William E. Lurie @ 02/11/2003 10:12 AM PST
Well, if the Steve Allen Sophie Tucker show gets recorded, I nominate Sharon McKnight as the definitive Sophie.
That said, my own choices are the obrious.
Carrie with our own, our very own Kerry Butler in the lead. I think Kerry can carry Carrie.
As her mama, I would like Betty Buckley to reprise her performance. Even though everyone said La Cook was all wrong for the part, I wouldn't mind her either. Maybe both. Duelling Margarets!
Lolita, My Love with Dorothy Loudon repeating her tour-de-force as Charlotte Haze. Len Cariou as Humbert. And I'm really not up on current child actors for Lolita. But for Claire Quilty there are so many, many possibilities. I'm sure Nathan Lane would kill to do it on Broadway. Jason Graae could have a lot of fun with it. Actually, Bruce Kimmel would be pretty good, and, if he is not available, how about Guy Haines singing "Going, Going, Gone"?
So many shows, so little capital to fund studio cast recordings!
Posted by William F. Orr @ 02/11/2003 10:22 AM PST
I'd have to say "Carrie" for the unrecorded musical that I'd like to see recorded - but with the original cast. However, there is a pretty complete live recording recorded from the sound board at the theatre at is really good quality.
Another choice is the Original Broadway Cast of "The Phantom of the Opera" even though it would be impossible seeing as though Steve Barton is no longer with us. I would love to hear Judy Kaye as Carlotta.
And my last choice was the recent "Tell Me on a Sunday" with Alice Ripley recently staged at the Kennedy Center. (does anyone know about how this was? or even have a (gasp) recording of it?)
That's all.
Posted by Matthew @ 02/11/2003 10:46 AM PST
I must have misread the question. I thought it was only shows that had never been recorded, but apparently it includes new recordings of shows whose original recordings were less than ideal. In that case I'd nominate ALLEGRO whose original recording only covers about half the score.
Posted by William E. Lurie @ 02/11/2003 10:55 AM PST
I second W. Lurie's question. Where is all this brouhaha on Broadway.com? I went there on Saturday and searched and searched and could find nothing. I went to Broadway Buzz and the message board but I saw no headers that mentioned DOTV. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place or for the wrong headers.
Posted by Ben @ 02/11/2003 11:00 AM PST
I think we may have differing opinions as to what constitutes a "supporting" performance. It would appear that some people believe that it is all about stage time. If that is the case, then Velma is arguably the lead role in CHICAGO (the stage version) as she does carry several solo numbers, and shares some duets with Roxie and Mama.
But I view it differently: the lead actor is the one whose story is being told, whose journey we are being taken on. Sometimes there are a few characters we are journeying with, so there can be multiple leads. Personally, I don't believe this is the case with CHICAGO. There is not one thing that happens to Velma in the course of the entire musical. We do not see her crime (although we are told about it after the fact), we don't see her trial, we do not meet a single important person in her life, etc. She is there solely as a counterpart to Roxie. She reacts to the story being told, but can't really be said to be part of it. For that reason, I view her as a supporting character.
In the case of the film, because Mr. Marshall has decided to remove numbers that only comment on the action ("I Know a Girl", "Class", etc.) Velma's screen time is significantly diminished, and we realize that the role is truly a supporting one. That is why she is nominated as such, not because of the Miramax machine.
Posted by Dave @ 02/11/2003 11:06 AM PST
Never Mind (Gilda Radner, Emily Litella reference). I found the thread at Broadway.com. It may not have been so clear on Saturday. Oh, well
Posted by Ben @ 02/11/2003 11:07 AM PST
yes - it is on the Message Board under a Doug Storm thread somewhere between the discussions of Dame Edna and the Take Me Out pubic hair cuts.
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/11/2003 11:18 AM PST
Dear reader Lulu - Trouble in Paradise is available on DVD for about $29 & free shipping at
www.deepdiscountdvd.com the site is slow loading, but they will send it right out and you will have a much better copy than a video from TCM will be. Well worth the money, I am sure.
ANGRY HOUSEWIVES is one of the funniest shows I ever worked on. I directed and choreographed it to sold out houses and great reviews. The material is so funny.... So I vote with George on AH.
Ben - I have that Tony Scotti album, too...on the Liberty label...interesting arrangements. And like you, even though they list another album for him, I have never seen it.
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/11/2003 11:24 AM PST
The Leading Player in PIPPIN observes and the story is not about him yet is was Ben Vereen in that role who won the Leading Actor Tony, not John Rubenstein in the title role. The King in THE KING AND I and Fiorello in FIORELLO are the central characters but both Yul Brynner and Tom Bosley won supporting Tonys. As Rita Moreno said when she won a supporting Tony for THE RITZ: "I'd like to know who the $@#& I'm supporting".
I played around on Broadway.Com and finally found the Doug Storm posts. First of all, was HHW the "other" message board they were referring to? I found most of these posts really didn't say anything, but then how can you take a message board seriously when you have to pick a cutsie face to go with your posts?
Posted by William E. Lurie @ 02/11/2003 11:34 AM PST
WEL, I don't think your argument is strengthened by noting who won the *award* for "supporting" performance in a given year. As we have discussed many times, awards are about politics and commerce. The definition of what constitutes a supporting performance can vary year-by-year for the Tony committee. Heck, even the definition of what constitutes a "musical" seems to vary...
And, for the record, I don't believe that the King is the central character in THE KING AND I. For me, the central character is Anna. But it can certainly be argued that they are both central characters.
Posted by Dave @ 02/11/2003 11:43 AM PST
Sophie is already out on CD, WEL: AEI-CD027, containing a bunch of stuff cut prior to Broadway as well as several bonus tracks (including some by Judy Garland with Steve Allen). Great CD, IMHO.
Dear Reader Susan Gordon: looks like BK fell for that glitch line I fed him. Get some sleep. 8-0
Posted by JMK @ 02/11/2003 11:48 AM PST
Bill - I think the "other" board was All That Chat. I think.
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/11/2003 11:48 AM PST
Sophie is already out on CD, WEL: AEI-CD027, containing a bunch of stuff cut prior to Broadway as well as several bonus tracks (including some by Judy Garland with Steve Allen). Great CD, IMHO.
Dear Reader Susan Gordon: looks like BK fell for that glitch line I fed him. Get some sleep. 8-0
Posted by JMK @ 02/11/2003 11:48 AM PST
I did nothing, I swear, Mr. Mark Bakalor. I actually got a "web hosting not available" screen after I hit "submit." NO bitch-slaps, please.
Posted by JMK @ 02/11/2003 11:50 AM PST
William E. Lurie, you are reading my mind. By all means, Amour and Grover's Corners should be recorded. (Perhaps the PBS airing of Our Town may persuade the Wilder heirs to lighten and loosen up?) And Allegro is so incomplete as to be hardly a recording at all.
Posted by Pam @ 02/11/2003 11:53 AM PST
The PBS (and Showtime) OUR TOWN is the recent Broadway fiasco with Paul Newman. As I posted when I first saw Act 1 of this (I left at intermission) I have seen better productions of OUR TOWN done by high schools. And in his "season to date" for plays Ken Mandelbaum said the same thing. If anything these screenings will turn people off from this show which can be wonderful (with or without music) when done right.
Posted by William E. Lurie @ 02/11/2003 12:14 PM PST
Definitely THE DEAD which has a wonderful score.Also A WONDERFUL LIFE which has a score by Joe Raposo and Shelden Harnick.
I had the wonderful opportunity to hear and see BRENT BARRETT last night at The Crest Theatre in Delray Beach,Florida.He was terrific.His Musical Director was Christopher Denny(fabulous)Best of the Best-They Say That Falling in Love is Wonderful-Come Back To Me-Some Enchanted Evening-and a beautiful song written by Brent himself called KANSAS TOWN. Brent ended his program with a wonderful song by K. Herrmann and B. Harman called ROMANTIC NOTIONS.Does anyone out there know where this song comes from?
It was as you can tell a very joyful evening.
Posted by Arnold M. Brockman @ 02/11/2003 12:16 PM PST
Oh my goodness..I can answer my question myself.. ROMANTIC NOTIONS comes from ROMANCE,ROMANCE!!!
Posted by Arnold M. Brockman @ 02/11/2003 12:23 PM PST
IMHO the Oscars got it right for once in nominating the Velma role as supporting. In the FILM she is supporting.
I am of course hoping for a Paul Simon win this year.
Back later with unrecorded musicals suggestions.
Posted by Tom from OZ @ 02/11/2003 12:44 PM PST
My goodness, I've seen posts here lately mentioning Borders at 441 and Glades, and now Delray Beach. Tell me, how many Hainesies/Kimlets are there here in southeast Florida? Let's take a headcount and, if the numbers warrant, let's exert pressure to have a BK gathering here next time, rather than NYC! (BK, wouldn't you rather be in South Florida in February or March, than in NYC??)
Posted by Lulu @ 02/11/2003 12:45 PM PST
BTW, where should we have dinner when this comes to pass?
I vote for Wolfie Cohen's Rascal House. That would outdo Joe Allen's and Musso and Frank oh, yes, indeedy. ;) Plus, they have an Early Bird Special! Can Joe Allen say as much?
Posted by Lulu @ 02/11/2003 12:47 PM PST
The old favourites: "Smile" (maybe the composer will change his mind). "The Yearling" (kept reading that it was going to be done but was it?), and "Merlin".
I would also like to see a professional recording of "Over And Over" ans "Lolita My Love".
Posted by Tom from OZ @ 02/11/2003 01:08 PM PST
Plus my dear Lulu if BK really gets New York Homesick there is a Joe Allen's in Miami.
Posted by Arnold M. Brockman @ 02/11/2003 01:46 PM PST
"The Visit" should be recorded, though it probably will when it gets to the Public in 2004.
Has "One TOuch of Venus" been released? That show needs a complete recording.
I'd like to hear the score for "The Dead", if only because I want to hear how the music fits in to the story (which I've read). And to hear Christopher Walken sing again.
"The Royal Family," the William Finn musical, is based on a 1927 play of the same name by George Kaufman and Edna Ferber. It follows a large, eccentric theatrical family, probably based on the Barrymores. It is rarely produced these days, because it has something like 30 people. The play is being done this summer by the Shaw Festival in Canada.
I think that Velma is a supporting role, and whatever the reasons for CZG being nominated in that category, it is the right choice. And I am not particularly displeased about Gere not getting a nomination, I think that he was the weakest among the five leads. It is a scandal that "Far From Heaven" was not nominated for best picture. I saw both it and LOTR, and trust me, Far From Heaven is a much, much, much, much, much (those are five "much"es) better movie. It was also robbed of several design nominations, particularly Costumes and Art Direction. Other than that, I think that it is a relatively good choice of nominations. Though it would have been nice if "Y tu Mamá También" and (from what I heard) "Talk to Her" had gotten more nominations, though they did do pretty well for foreign films.
Posted by Hapgood @ 02/11/2003 04:17 PM PST
My dear, it was 2.5 hours betwen Arnold's post and mine! Not jiggy at all!
Posted by Hapgood @ 02/11/2003 04:18 PM PST
I've got too many album ideas. Take one of these off my hands, PLEASE.
"Great Lady"
"Life of the Party"
"What's Up"
"The Day Before Spring"
(Can you tell I'm a Lerner & Loewe fan?)
How about my Lerner/Lane & Weill/Anderson "Unsung Huckleberry" idea, with all the songs from the two aborted film/stage "Huckleberry Finn" musicals?
Here's a tougher one. How about "Unsung Camelot": all the material that was cut from "Camelot" after it first opened in Toronto, when the local critics were calling the show a "bladder contest" or "Gotterdammerung without the laughs"? Could any of that stuff possibly still exist anywhere? Would it be enough for an album?
Posted by Sigerson Holmes @ 02/11/2003 05:35 PM PST
I know you tried already, but I'd like you to record "SMILE." At least that's the first one to come to mind.
Posted by Kerry @ 02/11/2003 05:50 PM PST
From what I gather the complete ONE TOUCH OF VENUS has been recorded (with our own Melissa Errico and Brent Barrett) but not released. In addition to this, Jay has quite a backlog of studio recordings that they finished and haven't released. They are now in to "The Musicality of" compilations rather than complete scores so I don't know if these CDs will ever see the light of day.
Posted by William E. Lurie @ 02/11/2003 05:53 PM PST
You know, we've been errant and truant about bitch-slapping here of late. More bitch-slapping, I say.
Posted by Kerry @ 02/11/2003 06:20 PM PST
There's been plenty of bitch-slapping going on around here of late, you just don't know where to look.
Posted by . @ 02/11/2003 07:16 PM PST
I agree with Dear Reader .
There has been plenty of bitch slapping. Some of us think twice about posting less we get bitch-slapped. This bitch-slapping has got to stop.
Posted by Matthew @ 02/11/2003 07:30 PM PST
I think bitchslapping is quite childish
Posted by Dr. Jekyll @ 02/11/2003 07:32 PM PST
Oh shut up Jekyll - you are a bore!
Posted by Mr. Hyde @ 02/11/2003 07:33 PM PST
Nah, there really hasn't been bitch-slapping. There have been some terse posts and I have asked that we avoid those, even if opinions differ. I know people feel passionately about certain films, certain topics, and others disagree equally as passionately. But that is no reason for terseness. Everyone is allowed an opinion. I disagree with some recently stated opinions - so what? That's what makes horse racing. We're all here to have fun, by gum and by golly, and that's the bottom line that we all must remember. So, even if there are disagreements they should be handled with decorum, respect and HUMOR. That is what sets us apart here at haineshisway.com. Just go to any other chat board and you will see this is so.
Posted by bk @ 02/11/2003 07:47 PM PST
I'm never alone
I'm alone all the time
Are you at one
or do you lie?
We live in a wheel
where everyone steals
but when we rise it's like Strawberry Fields
Posted by . @ 02/11/2003 08:48 PM PST
Sorry to have been errant and truant, but yesterday was my third and final day of playing for auditions - 600 people over three days(!) - and by the time I got finished with call-backs, and "celebrating" at the hotel bar...
-And the internet connection speed was soooo slow at the hotel.
The final group of auditions was amazing. Just what we all needed after seeing so many people. We had one person who eventually became known as the "Boob Woman" and then a Roller-Blading Japanese woman. Boob Woman did a monologue about breasts, and then demonstrated her amazing muscle control. Very talented.
And then immediately after Boob Woman, came Roller-Blade woman. She wore a silver cape, and a very flashy unitard underneath that. After a very brief monolog about being a geisha, she proceeded to set up her chair... then I started the intro to her song... "Big Spender". She totally brought the house down. Even after her time was called - and they gave her a couple of extra seconds - she made a very memorable exit by utilizing the silver "flag", and giving it a great twirl for all it was worth.
And then my friend, Michael, turned out to be the final audition of the day and conference. So nice to end on a high note - literally.
And my plane trips weren't bad at all either.
As for today's topic of discussion... Cummins and Scoullar's The Little Prince. BK recorded "44 Sunsets" on Broadway Bound. The rest of the score has some wonderful moments, and the Rose's song, "I Love You, Goodbye" is simply beautiful.
Well, I'm off to bed - sooo looking forward to getting more than four hours. AND I don't have to get up at 7:00a.m. for an 8:00 actor briefing.
Posted by Jose C. Simbulan @ 02/11/2003 09:16 PM PST
Well....I never thought of auditioning on rollerblades. It certainly is an original presentation idea.
Hmmmmmmmm.....
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/12/2003 04:20 AM PST
It certainly is quiet today.
Posted by Jrand52 @ 02/12/2003 08:36 AM PST
Don't know how the weather is in other parts of the world today, but L.A. is having one of dreariest days we've had in a long, long, long (that is three longs) time. Pouring rain, dark skies, and everyone, it seems, in a dark mood. One of those days you just want to roll over and stay in bed.
Posted by Jay @ 02/12/2003 08:53 AM PST