Posted by William E. Lurie @ 03/11/2003 08:31 AM PST

WEL: I don't know if I would go so far as to say it "served her right," but I do hate the fact that increasingly these days, many people just do not seem to grasp the difference between attending a live performance and say, watching TV in their living room. They just don't seem to get that those are REAL people up there.

Posted by Lulu @ 03/11/2003 08:34 AM PST

Dave: I just saw the volley of posts from last evening. Let's get some things straight "Dude".

How many people need to tell you that "Groucho" never said ONE WORD in the chat on our screens, despite being asked many questions by many people. We are always nice to any newbie unless they don't respond. IF they don't respond, yes, given what's gone on we get paranoid. HOWEVER, and read my lips here, I HAVE NEVER BANNED ANYONE FROM THIS CHAT ROOM DURING A CHAT until last night, when an uncouth interloper went too far and insulted a dear reader and went to the usual games. Prior to last night, I didn't even know HOW to eject anyone from the chat room. So, you are quite incorrect in all your assumptions. I am sorry you were having problems, but the problems were either a glitch in the software or problems on your end. Stop trying to make it seem like there is Orwellian machinations going on because it simply isn't true. In the history of this site, no one has ever been banned. I have asked one person if he would be kind enough not to post and I stated the reasons, and he agreed. And, at the urging of a dear reader, I did delete a post last week. That was the second time I deleted a post in the history of this site - the first time was a legal matter.

No one is banning anyone - we have simple rules around here for this chat, and we have stated them over and over - if someone is going to participate in the chat they need to tell us who they are. It's very simple, really, and why wouldn't they, especially YOU (I understand last night you were obviously having technical problems. But if you can't get in with your own name, then all it takes is one line - Hi, I'm so and so). If you weren't sure whether you were booted or whether the problems were technical, then your accusatory tone is most unwelcome and most unfair. Don't always assume the worst. AND, after at least three people told you that they hadn't seen ONE WORD from "Groucho" you still don't believe it. As my favorite comedian, Jack Benny would say, "Well."

Posted by bk @ 03/11/2003 08:41 AM PST

Five favorite Jerry Goldsmith scores:

The Blue Max
The Boys From Brazil
The Other
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Fatal Attraction

There may be EXCELLENT reasons for getting up during a live performance -- almost all of them having to do with bodily functions that, despite everything, demand to be attended to. One should not have to risk one's life to accommodate them, no matter how disturbed other patrons might be because someone deigned to stand up to remove himself or herself from an audience and sparing them from unseemly bodily noises/functions.

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 03/11/2003 08:44 AM PST

Permit me to break my vow of silence one more time in defense of BK. The chat software has many bugs in it and often does knock people off if they haven't posted for a certain amount of time (this is adjustable, but I've never figured out how to do it). Also, if a user name has been assigned to a password in the past (this is done by Parachat), it may restrict future use of that name without that password. Very complicated nonsense. I won't discuss the subject of "paranoia," but in this instance it does look like Dave was the victim of technology rather than pique. And considering my fondness for Dave, I hope this post will be accepted in the spirit of good will in which it was intended.

Posted by Robert Armin @ 03/11/2003 08:52 AM PST

Well, we had another very productive Career Exploration session today. The lady who lost her previous teaching job because of a domestic violence charge shared with us some information about another of her very exciting jobs: Pesticide Control Manager. The highlight of that discussion was when the guy who wants to be an actor pulled his stocking cap over his face and fell asleep, followed very quickly by the guy who missed the first few classes because he got arrested. They didn't wake up until the 350-pound psycho-therapist told us what job interviews at Cold Stone Creamery are like. (Apparently they make you sing and dance.)

Posted by Sandra @ 03/11/2003 09:16 AM PST

Well, as was stated in the late night/early morning posts, the strike is over. And both sides made some very "truthful" comments regarding the negotiations and the concessions. And the adjustment to the composition of the petitioning panel sounds very interesting.

As for the apparent chat problems last night... A friend of mine happened to be on another Parachat chat at the same time, and we just happened to be chatting later on - not on Parachat. He mentioned that the Parachat software has a few major glitches... One being that it limits the number of times a username can be used concurrently across ALL the chats going on at that time - not just in the chat room that you are entering. Since Dave can be quite a common name, it could have just been that there were already a number of Daves logged on via the Parachat software. And this could happen to an Ann, a George, or even a BK. And with each successive try to log on using that name, the glitch could have just been compounding itself.

As Jed found out last night, the program could also keep you logged in even if you happen to get booted on your end. Thus, we had Jed and Jed2 at various times during the chat. But if you do remain idle for a certain length of time, it will disconnect you - or at least remove your name from the chatters list.

The big fix for all of this is to close your browser completely to clear out any cookies and other "trails". Ideally, a full reboot or other way to clear out your cache is the way to go.

He also mentioned that depending upon which operating system, browser, PC or Mac, etc. you use, you can have varying results with the Parachat program.

Hope this helps.

And as for Jerry Goldsmith scores, as I mentioned yesterday... But I rememeber the score for Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Posted by Jose C. Simbulan @ 03/11/2003 09:28 AM PST

Bruce,

Perhaps you did not finish reading ALL of the comments from yesterday, or you would have seen where I said, "If nobody saw any posts coming from Groucho, then perhaps this was just a glitch in the software. I hope that is the case."

Being someone who works in InfoTech for a living, I am all-too-familiar with glitches in software, and problems with telcoms. Given the evidence presented in yesterday's (i.e. this morning's) posts, I can safely assume that such is the case in this instance. Not only did the dear readers not receive the posts from Groucho, but Groucho did not receive any questions or comments from anyone else, either. (I thought I was just getting the silent treatment...)

With that said, I have to take issue with your suggestion that you have never banned anyone from the chats, because this is absolutely untrue. In the instance I wrote about earlier this morning, I logged on as "Dude" and was informed that I was 10 seconds away from being banned. The dear readers then began to count down (10...9...8...) and you said, "Don't help." You then proceeded to disconnect me, and I was unable to reconnect again. Does any of this ring a bell?

I might add that the only reason I was "banned" (I am using your word here) was because I did not answer your question as to my identity quickly enough. Again, if you read my earlier note, I explained the reason for that, too.

If your past experience causes you to be wary, then you can appreciate why I was a little quick to rush to judgment. I apologize for making a rash assumption.

Thanks, Robert, for helping to explain the nature of the technical difficulties we have been encountering in the chat room. This does explain why I am unable to connect using my own name, or a variation thereof. Is there any chance our dear Mr. Bakalor would be able to resolve this issue for me, please? Thanks so much.

Posted by Dave @ 03/11/2003 09:29 AM PST

WEL: Perhaps the reason they left early was because the woman felt ill during the show, hence the falling in the aisle.

Dave: I cannot log on under the name "Laura" because in some other chatroom in the Parachat realm the name "Laura" requires a password.

Sandra: You dad and I are so glad we spent good money on that class for you.

Posted by Laura @ 03/11/2003 09:33 AM PST

Actually, Dave, not to beat a dead horse, but I said "I" have never banned anyone from the chat (until last night, for reasons explained - as I said, I didn't even know how to do it until last night). If "Dude" was banned it was Mr. Mark Bakalor who banned him because I wasn't even in the chat room at the time and Mr. Bakalor had the admin power.

Ron: Damn you, how could I have forgotten The Blue Max and especially The Other, two of the very best Goldsmith scores.
Excellent choices with the exception of Fatal Attraction, which wasn't composed by Mr. Goldmith - it's Mauric Jarre. That said, I'm certain you meant Basic Instinct. All those titles seem the same.

We're very excited about tonight's live chat with Melissa Errico, so be sure to spread the word and be there. It's going to be some fun!

Posted by bk @ 03/11/2003 09:52 AM PST

Of Goldsmith's scores, the ones that have stood out for me are Our Man Flint, Planet of the Apes (facinating percussion work there), The Omen, Logan's Run (interesting electronics), and most particularly Patton, with the echoing bugles. Of course, he's been an integral part of the Star Trek franchise for quite some time.

Posted by S. Woody White @ 03/11/2003 09:57 AM PST

Hey I was at much of the chat (although I guess I left before tonight's chat was mentioned).

I saw both a "dude" and a "groucho". And I'm not sure I saw a comment from either. Although I did see numerous people ask them to say something.

Dave, i don't think everyone in a chat must talk all the time. But I think it's polite to respond if someone asks you something.

Many times chatters are doing other things, and I think that is fine. But just mention that fact so people don't find it strange when you don't respond.

For example, if your son wakes up, just type in "brb" or something similar.

I'm not sure if the system knocked you off or what. But if it won't accept just "dave" you can try dave2 or dave with your last initial. Or your first and last name.

I don't think anyone was trying to block you from the chat. But we did have problems with someone else last night. And i think it's fair that bruce wants people to identify themselves. Or at least say something.

btw, i don't think i'll be able to make the chat tonight. But will there be a transcript????

Jennifer

Posted by Jennifer @ 03/11/2003 09:58 AM PST

Suggestion for tonight's exciting chat..

If anyone has a question for Melissa, they can private message the question or an "electronic hand raising" that way BK knows that a person has a question. This way, BK doesn't call on someone that DOESN'T have a question on hand..

If you need help doing the private message thing, post here today and we shall instruct accordingly..

until later...

Posted by Craig @ 03/11/2003 10:03 AM PST

I just read that Sondheim is trying to get the musical theatre rights to the Bill Murray movie "Groundhog Day". Not what you'd expect from Sondheim. I assume this will be after "Bounce the Gold Wise Guys".

And did anyone see the pictures of Paul Newman selling his salad dressing to Ronald McDonald?

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 03/11/2003 10:09 AM PST

I will have to make a trip to the IMDB to look at Mr Jerry Goldsmith's accomplishments - but having said that, I will open with two, one mentioned, one not ergo:

THE BLUE MAX
THE HINDENBURG

Hmmmmmm...both having to do with airplanes or flight. 8-D

Michelle Pawk is interviewed in today's USA TODAY re:A LITTLE NIGHT MUSIC. But the picture of the lady in the article makes her look like Bea Benaderet.

Posted by Jrand52 @ 03/11/2003 10:25 AM PST

Oh...Bill - I am intrigued by Holmes' PICTURE OF DORIAN GRAY. What a marvelous subject for musicalization!

Posted by Jrand52 @ 03/11/2003 10:26 AM PST

Is an electronic hand-raising the same as a Private Message, Craig? Or is it a new and exciting thing we can learn?

I feel like Robby in FORBIDDEN PLANET.

Posted by Jrand52 @ 03/11/2003 10:27 AM PST

I think the electronic hand-raising is a good idea. So, if anyone has a question, they just private chat me and tell me and I'll keep those names and call on them in the order received. People don't have to send me their questions in advance, we're all adult enough to behave properly.

The Hindenberg, a wonderful score, isn't by Jerry, it's by our very own David Shire.

Posted by bk @ 03/11/2003 10:33 AM PST

Well, indeed, that is correct. Well, just let me say then that The Hindenburg is one of my favorite Jerry Goldsmith scores by David Shire.

Posted by Jrand52 @ 03/11/2003 10:55 AM PST

Jennifer wrote:

"But I think it's polite to respond if someone asks you something."

I did not see those questions on my screen, so I was unable to respond.

"For example, if your son wakes up, just type in "brb" or something similar."

As a parent, my first impulse is to respond when my child calls for help.

"I'm not sure if the system knocked you off or what. But if it won't accept just "dave" you can try dave2 or dave with your last initial. Or your first and last name."

...or, say, "dude" or "groucho"? What is wrong with those names?

"I don't think anyone was trying to block you from the chat."

In last night's instance, I agree with you; however, it has happened before.

"And i think it's fair that bruce wants people to identify themselves. Or at least say something."

It's BK's site, and he can manage it as he pleases, but I cannot understand why it should matter to anyone else if a stranger happens to drop in and eavesdrop for a while.

Or, to put it another way, what if someone else logged in as "Dave" (since I can't...) and claimed to be me. Would you feel secure in the knowledge that you are chatting with someone you think you know?

Or if I logged on as "Steve" and made up some story about my identity? Would that make everyone feel better?

You have to admit, it does start to sound pretty silly if you really think about it...

I hope this doesn't come across as argumentative. Just trying to explain my point of view.

Posted by Dave @ 03/11/2003 10:56 AM PST

JRand---
There is another musical Dorian Gray that recently had its first reading. It will be interesting to see which gets farther faster. We may end up with another WILD PARTY situation on our hands. But based on what I saw, there's not too much work for Rupert to do. This was even a fully staged reading (no sets or costumes) so it could be put into production fairly fast.

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 03/11/2003 11:05 AM PST

And don't forget the 1965 battle of the Rock 'em Sock 'em Harlows. In this corner Joseph E. Levine, Carroll Baker, Paramount Pictures and Neal Hefti.
And in this corner Bill Sargent, Carol Lynley, Electronovision Pictures, and Nelson Riddle.
Shakes hands, girls, and come out fighting!

Posted by Jrand52 @ 03/11/2003 11:32 AM PST

Our agency has received a complaint of battery upon a deceased equine.

Stop.

Posted by SPCDA @ 03/11/2003 11:45 AM PST

To me, the battle of the Harlows was between Angela Lansbury and Ginger Rodgers (who replaced Judy Garland at the last minute).

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 03/11/2003 11:51 AM PST

The excitement about tonight's live chat with Miss Melissa Errico (ME, in Internet lingo) is palpable, oh, yes, it is palpable. Let's really show her what we're all about, Alfie, and have many many many (that is three manys which is not too many manys) Hainsies/Kimlets there for the fun.

Posted by bk @ 03/11/2003 11:51 AM PST

Jennifer wrote:

"But I think it's polite to respond if someone asks you something."

Dave replied:
I did not see those questions on my screen, so I was unable to respond.

Well if you didn't see those questions on your screen, then obviously you must have stepped away from your computer (the chat moves very fast). Or else the chat wasn't working on your end.

I said:
"I'm not sure if the system knocked you off or what. But if it won't accept just "dave" you can try dave2 or dave with your last initial. Or your first and last name."

dave said:
...or, say, "dude" or "groucho"? What is wrong with those names?

There's nothing wrong with those names if you then either tell people it's you or actually talk during the chat. But I think it's reasonable that everyone would be a bit upset when someone enters the chat and they won't answer when people talk to them. It makes it seem like that person is just there to cause trouble.

Dave wrote:
It's BK's site, and he can manage it as he pleases, but I cannot understand why it should matter to anyone else if a stranger happens to drop in and eavesdrop for a while.

Well I guess it wouldn't matter if the person's intentions were good. But since there have been problems in the past, I think it's fair that any eavesdropper at least say a few words.

Dave wrote:

Or if I logged on as "Steve" and made up some story about my identity? Would that make everyone feel better?

I think the point is that people should be upfront. I know I would not be happy if you lied and made up a story about being Steve. It would be dishonest. And more than that it would take away from the spirit of the chat.

Dave wrote:
You have to admit, it does start to sound pretty silly if you really think about it...

I hope this doesn't come across as argumentative. Just trying to explain my point of view

I don't think it sounds silly when others have come to the chat and been hostile or mean to regular chatters. It's a courtesy to be upfront and honest. If you couldn't see that chatters were typing to you, then there was a technical issue. But if someone enters the chat, and someone else asks them something, evading questions just makes everyone upset.

Posted by Jennifer @ 03/11/2003 11:54 AM PST

Until 1985, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences would receive one write-in vote each year in the Best Actress category.

The handwritten card would read simply:

"For Best Actress, Ginger Rogers."

Carol Lynley reports that Judy Garland told her on the set of 'Harlow', "I'm not sick, honey, this is a piece of shit, and I'm out of here."

Posted by Jrand52 @ 03/11/2003 11:55 AM PST

A horse is a horse
Of course of course
And no one can talk to a horse
Of course.
That is of course
Unless the horse
Is the famous Mr Ed.

Go right to the source
And ask the horse
He'll give you the answer
That you endorse.
He's always on a steady course.
Talk to Mr Ed.

People yakkety yak a streak
And waste your time of day.
But Mr Ed will never speak
Unless he has something to say.

A horse is a horse of course of course.
And this one'll talk till his voice is hoarse.
You never heard of a talking horse?
Well, listen to this.
I am Mr Ed!

Posted by Wilbur Post @ 03/11/2003 12:07 PM PST

Jennifer,

I think we have established three things:

i) The chat software experienced a glitch last night that caused me to be unable to connect.

ii) In the past, users have been disconnected for reasons that have nothing to do with the software.

iii) There are some people on this site (such as yourself) who would prefer that everyone use their "real" names while on the message board, and on the chat. There are others (including myself) who do not care what names people choose to use in either location, and in fact do not care if some people prefer to remain anonymous, or pseudonymous. On this, we can agree to disagree.

So, Mr. Ed, you can rest easy...

Posted by Dave @ 03/11/2003 12:22 PM PST

Wasn't Post's post a Livingston and Evans reference?

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 03/11/2003 12:25 PM PST

Regarding what seems to be the topic of the day...

I don't care if a person uses a real name or some form of nickname, but I think that everyone who both chats and posts should use the same name in both places so we know who is who.

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 03/11/2003 12:28 PM PST

Apart from the expense (I can not afford to be on line for long), Chat Lines sound all too complicated to me!
Didn't Goldsmith write "Gunsmoke" and "The Man From U.N.C.L.E.".
In my part of the world I have no alternative than to "log On' each time and thus make yet another phone call rather than to stay on line. Our phone bill is way up now. I just can't seem to strike the right balance. I guess most of you are able to have a connection there all the time. That's my gripe for the day. My "cable" TV (which I am probably about to terminate) - is by satellite. All this technology and I not really able to access much. But then I chose to live in an area where I would have a two mile walk to the nearest shop and a 15 minute drive to the nearest supermarket etc.
"Ground Hog Day" Did not ever see the movie. It that where SS wakes up each day and it is a rerun of the day before except that his musical has changed its name?

Posted by Tom from Oz @ 03/11/2003 12:43 PM PST

WEL,

In principle, I agree, but some of us have been unable to do that.

And what of those who choose to post under multiple pseudonyms on the message boards? Should we expect to hear questions for Ms. Errico from Wilbur Post tonight? ;-)

Speaking of Ms. Errico, may I just say, "mmmmmmmmmm"! I fell in love with her voice the first time I heard it, but when I saw her pictures on her website...well, I just fell in love all over again! She is to die for!

I am afraid to join the chat tonight, for fear of sounding like a stammering schoolboy...

"Gee...uh...so...um (gulp)...you, like, uh...sing, huh?"

Posted by Dave @ 03/11/2003 12:48 PM PST

Jrand:

Every year until 1985, huh?

Hmmmmmmmm...wonder what year Miss Rogers was no longer a member of the academy...

;)

Posted by Lulu @ 03/11/2003 12:48 PM PST

My favorite Goldsmith compositions (other than the ones already mentioned)

Mulan
LA Confidential
Alien(s)
Papillon
Planet of the Apes

Posted by Craig @ 03/11/2003 12:48 PM PST

Okay here are my last thoughts on this matter. And Dave, I hope this doesn't seem like I have anything against you. I don't even know you.

dave said:
iii) There are some people on this site (such as yourself) who would prefer that everyone use their "real" names while on the message board, and on the chat. There are others (including myself) who do not care what names people choose to use in either location, and in fact do not care if some people prefer to remain anonymous, or pseudonymous. On this, we can agree to disagree.

I don't think that people have to use their real names on message boards. It doesn't really bother me if they want to be anonymous.

But to me, the chat is a bit different. I can't help it if I like to know who I'm talking to. I get confused very easily. And even with people using the nicknames they use on here, half the time I'm still not sure who I'm talking to.

I like what William said. If people use the names they use on here, it is easiest.

Posted by Jennifer @ 03/11/2003 12:49 PM PST

...and by the way!

I cannot BELIEVE I have thus far neglected to share this happy news!

Guess who has Turner Classic Movies? And Game Show Network? And SoapNet (Hello, Dynasty!)?

Lulu, that's who!

After whining and complaining so much about all the neato channels I wasn't getting, I finally did something about it. I looked into DirecTV first (courtesy of WEL's advice), but soon determined that due to the fact that I already have to pay a certain base amount for cable TV every month for the next few years (due to condo association decisions), the best thing would be to upgrade to digital cable.

So we picked up the digital conversion box yesterday, hooked it up and last night I was able to watch "The Finder of Lost Loves" on GoodLife TV! How's THAT for quality television? :)

Hopefully I figured out the intricacies of setting both the VCR and the cable box to tape the soaps this afternoon, so I'll be able to wallow in Joan Collins' evil schemes tonight -- before catching Witness for the Prosecution at 8:00! Woo-hoo! No need to leave my house or have friends ever again, thank goodness. TV's enough for me!

Posted by Lulu @ 03/11/2003 12:53 PM PST

Jennifer,

No offense taken at all.

Personally, I generally assume that everybody on the internet is using an assumed name, unless I have proof to the contrary. ;-)

But I do agree that it is easiest if we use the same names in the chat rooms that we use here.

Posted by Dave @ 03/11/2003 01:05 PM PST

Dave-

The BEST thing about the chat room, is not having to worry about stammering. Heck - that's what the delete/backspace key is for, right?

Posted by Craig @ 03/11/2003 01:07 PM PST

Craig,

No amount of backspacing can prevent me from making a fool of myself, as I have proven on many occasions.... ;-)

Just checked out some more photos of Melissa on her website. OH....MY....GOD, this woman is beautiful! Like to make a man cry, she is so lovely...

I'll stop now.

Posted by Dave @ 03/11/2003 01:22 PM PST

AUGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGH!!!!!

Yes, of course, I meant "Basic Instinct."

Gadzooks! "Basic Instinct," for all the titillation it provoked with Ms. Stone's lack of Hanes or other undergarments and a certain shot still boasts one of the great all-time great MOVIE scores of all time.

Good heavens and zoiks! What was I thinking?

You read me well, Sir Bruce!

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 03/11/2003 01:29 PM PST

Sometimes I preview (and edit) and sometimes I don't.

Last time, I didnt.

Great all-time great of all time.

Hyperbole, thy name is sloth!

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 03/11/2003 01:30 PM PST

The air is positively atwitter, do you hear me? Atwitter with excitement about the live chat with Melissa Errico. Oh, what fun we shall have. I hope you are planning on being there and that you've told all your friends and neighbors. This type of live chat (question and answer with a moderator) is fine for lurkers who don't wish to speak, by the way (BTW, in Internet lingo).

Posted by bk @ 03/11/2003 01:34 PM PST

Congratulations, Lulu. And Wilbur Post's post was indeed and Livingston and Evans reference.

Bill L have you ever seen the Lynley Harlow? I have seen only a bit of it. A tape on EBAY went for many dollars more than I wanted to pay - perhaps someone at HHW has it on tape???

Also, Mr Dave, I think if someone posts here on the message board under a different name - it is to reinforce something in the post (an Alan Young reference) not to hide an identity.

Careful reading of said posts usually reveal authorship.

Neighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
>8-D

Posted by Jrand52 @ 03/11/2003 01:34 PM PST

Read any good contract riders lately?

Kenny Rogers' is a dilly. Mr. Rogers requires several six-packs of different kinds of beer, a pint of drambuie, copious amounts of food in chafing dishes (they are warned that "chain restaurant food is unacceptable"), etc., etc....

Meanwhile, his kiddie choir gets one five-gallon container of Kool-Aid.

And the adult choir gets one container of iced tea.

BUT...if they do two shows in one day, they are also provided with pizza! Hot damn.

Posted by Lulu @ 03/11/2003 01:40 PM PST

Jrand52,

I understand that *some* people use aliases to support or reinforce their messages, but there are others who use them to hide their identity, for obvious reasons.

Me, I'm just Dave.

Posted by Dave @ 03/11/2003 01:41 PM PST

Jrand --- I saw both Harlow's when they first came out in the 60s (after reading the popular biography) but have not seen them since. I remember that both films had their god, bad and camp points, but I really don't remember them that well.

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 03/11/2003 01:42 PM PST

And I'm just Old.

Posted by O.M. Time @ 03/11/2003 01:43 PM PST

Lulu---
Enjoy your digital cable.

Are you sure Kenny Rodgers doesn't serve them Kenny Rodgers Chicken (or has that chain gone under?).

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 03/11/2003 01:43 PM PST

Oh, those two HARLOW movies! Both were dismal beyond belief, but the Carroll Baker one is campy fun on the order of (but not surpassing) VALLEY OF THE DOLLS.

My favorite Jerry Goldsmith:

THE OMEN
PATTON
PAPILLON
CHINATOWN (my favorite)
MAGIC

Posted by Matt H. @ 03/11/2003 01:52 PM PST

My name is actually Hapgood.

You are all mad.

And I am certainly glad that I missed the unpleasantness last night.
I'll probably miss the Errico Chat-I have a government paper. *A tear falls*

Posted by Hapgood @ 03/11/2003 01:55 PM PST

Well, when that happens, do what Perry Como used to sing about:

"Catch a falling 'torn' and put it in your pocket!"

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 03/11/2003 02:34 PM PST

Errr...uhhh...umm...that's "Tear", a "falling tear"!

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 03/11/2003 02:35 PM PST

Didn't Jerry Goldsmith do the theme for The Waltons?

I always really liked that.

Posted by Lulu @ 03/11/2003 02:35 PM PST

Dave,

If you think Melissa Errico looks great in her pictures, you should have seen her coming out of the tub during "Color and Light" last summer at the Kennedy Center! The high school kids in the balcony - and their chaperones - were very "surprised" to say the least.

Posted by Jose C. Simbulan @ 03/11/2003 02:47 PM PST

Well, slap me silly with a salami, how could I have left off Chinatown? Damn them, damn them all to hell. Mr. Goldsmith was the berries - maybe he'll find a second wind like Elmer did.

The air is humming and somethin' great is comin' and it's our live chat with Melissa Errico, she of the beautiful face and voice. We want all of you there, no government papers should stop anyone from showing up.

Posted by bk @ 03/11/2003 02:56 PM PST

Jose, why weren't you looking at your music?

Posted by Jrand52 @ 03/11/2003 03:06 PM PST

And then there's the one I DID forget by Mr. Jerry Goldsmith and which definitely holds a place in any top 5 I might devise:

"The Wind and the Lion"

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 03/11/2003 03:06 PM PST

It's sad to think that The Omen is Jerry Goldsmith's only oscar. BUT WHAT were they thinking when they nominated his song AVI SANTANI (Hail Satan) for best song of the year.

Posted by Michael @ 03/11/2003 03:24 PM PST

REMINDER: Chat begins promptly at 7:50EST. There is only room for 50 people in the room and it's been posted on other sites besides HHW...

Posted by Craig @ 03/11/2003 04:14 PM PST

Ave Satani is a great song, I used to it in my club act, kind of a jazzy version.

Only twenty-five minutes to our live chat with Melissa. We are aglow with excitement. To reiterate (and we'll reiterate once again in the room): If anyone has questions they will Private Chat Craig, who will then pass on the names to me and then I will call one name at a time to ask their question and let Melissa answer. There will be no additional banter in this particular chat - just questions and answers, very organized. It will be quite a lot of fun so be there or be round.

Posted by bk @ 03/11/2003 04:14 PM PST

To Clarify - Craig (me) will be logged in as "AskMelissa" so that it's a no brainer for new people...

Once again..

PM "AskMelissa" and I will collect the names for BK

Posted by Craig @ 03/11/2003 04:17 PM PST

Just wanted to say "Hi" and hope everyone is well.

No disrespect intended, but I must profess my ignorance on exactly who Ms. Errico is? I can only assume she is a singer, but I have never heard of her or Ms. Nicastro, outside of this group. Can someone enlighten me (not that I'm heavy at 115 lbs.).
Again, no disrespect intended.

Posted by KT @ 03/11/2003 04:20 PM PST

KT - you must run (not walk) over to the unseemly interview archive and read all about her before the chat tonight.. she is an amazing performer with a brand new cd out.

Posted by Craig @ 03/11/2003 04:23 PM PST

i am always "td" in the chat and on the site; if i happen to be feeling edgy and humorous, I have been known to post at HHW under several comically intended "noms-du-jour." The really funny thing about those noms-du-jour, however, is the fact that Dear Reader Susan and Dear Host BK usually can tell which non-"td" posts are mine.

As far as Goldsmith goes, I'll take PLANET OF THE APES and L.A. CONFIDENTIAL above all others.

Did anyone read the great article in VANITY FAIR this month on "Confidential Magazine?" Quite a good read.

Posted by td @ 03/11/2003 04:28 PM PST

I, most unfortunately, won't be able to attend tonight's chat with the lovely Miss Errico. I have a couple of recordings with her and am a fan (although I don't have her solo CD...yet). So, to those who are participating, "Have a great time!" I hope that someone (or several someones) can post the most interesting tidbits of the conversation, questions and answers...especially the answers.

Posted by George @ 03/11/2003 04:32 PM PST

CHAT IS OPEN!

Posted by Craig @ 03/11/2003 04:42 PM PST

I had the pleasure of meeting Jerry Goldsmith a few years ago and seeing him conduct some of his scores live. One of the greatest times of my life! Favorite scores:

The Final Conflict
Patch of Blue
Papillion
Star Trek TMP
Hoosiers

Posted by Mike @ 03/11/2003 04:56 PM PST

To preclude someone not getting in, and because space is so limited, I'll stay out of chat room this evening.

I'm gonna make some meat sauce, plus charbroil some sirloin.

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 03/11/2003 05:49 PM PST

Well - we just finished the chat with Miss Melissa Errico and a fine time was had by all. Everyone that wanted to ask a question was able to. Sorry you didn't make it in Ron - we did have room...

Posted by Craig @ 03/11/2003 05:55 PM PST

I just got home from work , so I had to miss the chat. When I do get to chat, I always my name. It's so much easier that way.

Before I forget, a couple of other Elmer Bernstein favorites:
--The Great Santini
--and the theme to the series, "Hollywood and the Stars" (one of my all-time favorite themes)

For Jerry Goldsmith:
-- In Like Flint
-- Our Man Flint
especially whicever one had "Your Zowie Face" in it (In Like Flint, I think
-- Poltergeist (what a beautifu and haunting lullabye)
-- Patton

Posted by Kerry @ 03/11/2003 06:06 PM PST

That was a very nice chat. And it was great watching all the pitchers of beer line up!

Well, I guess I'll be leaving for DC then New York City tomorrow afternoon. If any of you Hainsie/Kimlets would like to get together, just e-mail me, and maybe we can set up something - either one-on-one or a group of us.

I'm supposed to see Night Music Friday night, but that's all I really have planned. I'm just looking forward to being up in the city again.

-And I really wish I could spend more time up there - I was hoping to catch the new Bill Finn show at Lincoln Center since I worked with Michael Rupert last summer.

Posted by Jose C. Simbulan @ 03/11/2003 06:19 PM PST

td,

Please do fill-us-in on your noms-du-jour. Share a few of those names with us.

Posted by us @ 03/11/2003 06:39 PM PST

Dear us,

The noms-de-jour are like the evil wizard in HARRY POTTER, those names must never be spoken out loud.
But, of course this jiggy site has the handy dandy archives, if you take a great race to those archives, I'm certainly certain that you'd be able to follow the boys to a few of those noms-du-jour. Just follow the yellow brick road.

Posted by td @ 03/11/2003 07:01 PM PST

Kerry--I can't believe someone else loves "Your Zowie Face" (quite possibly the silliest lyric Leslie Bricusse ever wrote, and that's saying quite a bit, thank you very much--ah, a Leslie Bricusse self-reference). Had you been in Portland, Oregon last summer, you could have heard me feature that very tune weekly with various and sundried jazz greats as part of a jazz cruise series I played. I have always loved the fact that the original is a 3/4 bossa nova--a very rare hybrid.

Posted by JMK @ 03/11/2003 07:13 PM PST

I am here to tell you that tonight's special chat with Melisso Errico was lively and sparkling - she was a perfect guest, and it all went swimmingly. We shall be having more of these off-the-cuff question and answer chats coming in the next few weeks. And am I jiggy with the number of posts? I am jiggy without boundaries.

Posted by bk @ 03/11/2003 07:25 PM PST

Can those of us who were not at the chat (Curse you, government paper!) hear what some of the questions and answers were? We would all love to see in to the mind of the lovely Miss Errico. (Though I must confess that I don't think I've ever actually heard a recording on which she was featured, so I don't know how her voice sounds.)

Since I don't know from film scores, I'll ask another question: What do all of you think of Maury Yeston's "Pantom"? I recently got it from the library, and it is really a lovely score. Superior in many ways to that of a certain Englishman.

Posted by Hapgood @ 03/11/2003 07:35 PM PST

JOSE - Thanks for explaining why the chat last night didn't accept my name. I entered as Dolly to get in but only stayed for a short time.

Posted by Donna - Cabaret West @ 03/11/2003 08:11 PM PST

Really enjoyed the chat, and I just thought the questions posed to the lovely lady were SO varied and interesting. We all bring so many different life experiences and viewpoints to these comments and chats.

Plus, you folks are the wittiest people around. Looking forward to many more.

Posted by Matt H. @ 03/11/2003 08:38 PM PST

The first time that I had heard Melissa Errico's voice, I didn't know that I was listening to her. A friend had made me a tape of the cast recording of "High Society" and I didn't know who was in it before I heard it. As I was listening, I thought, "Cool! A new Judy Kuhn show!" It wasn't until a few days later when I actually got to see my friend's CD and read the cast list (and see the pictures) that I realized it wasn't Judy. It was Melissa Errico. They have very similar voice types (that I love). (Just to make it legal, I have since purchased my own copy of the CD...actually it was very shortly after that).

Posted by George @ 03/11/2003 09:26 PM PST

Good grief, can't we have a bicker-free day anymore? There are enough negative things going on in the world--this used to be my place to get away from those things. Now it seems we have these kinds of "discussions" nearly every day. Call me naive, but, can't we all just get along?

Posted by Jason @ 03/11/2003 11:03 PM PST

Yes, bickering is banished. At least it happened early and everyone got over it. We really must avoid it like the plague. All bickering must be vague. After all, this is our little safe haven, and from now on, if anyone has issues just e-mail me and let's discuss it before we bicker, bicker, bicker, you can talk, talk, but he doesn't know the territory.

Posted by bk @ 03/11/2003 11:24 PM PST

bk,

You were banished.

Posted by her vague and distant memory @ 03/12/2003 03:16 AM PST

The chat with Miss Melissa Errico was a swell party.

BK, Craig, and Mark B are to be congratulated for arranging it!

Thanks to Melissa Errico. I especially liked her comments about MY FAIR LADY. She also had some things to say about the difference between AMOUR in France and AMOUR in NYC thanks to a question from WEL.

Craig also gave us URLs for some terrific sites.

Fun fun fun! And it's only March!

Posted by Jrand52 @ 03/12/2003 04:26 AM PST

This is an outrage.

My Criterion DVD of Notorious is on its way...BUT my DVD of the Roadshow Version of THE HAPPIEST MILLIONAIRE has been delayed!

Why do I feel as though my alligators have been frozen?

Lulu - this is TCM's Month of the Oscars, so you will see Oscar-nominated and winning films until March 31. Then they will go back to their usual schedule with a Star of the Month and other such stuff.

Their website is great. Check it out!

Posted by Jrand52 @ 03/12/2003 06:18 AM PST

Jrand: Yes, I like TCM's website -- I visited there in the past, but sometimes it was just too painful when I didn't get the channel. :) I know it's Oscar month -- I printed out a schedule for the rest of the month and highlighted the films I want to tape: 32 in all! ;) At noon today: Camille.

Posted by Lulu @ 03/12/2003 06:21 AM PST

Isn't it great. At one time during a director's festival they showed a bunch of Edward L. Cahn's movies including two Allison Hayes films - I finally got them on tape:

Pier 5 - Havana
Hong Kong Confidential

Yes, she did specialize in the big-budget spectacle...LOL

Posted by Jrand52 @ 03/12/2003 07:20 AM PST

Lulu---
You should also subscribe to the TMC program guide. It's $11 something a year (less than a dollar a month) and has complete listings and some interesting articles.

By the way, when I suggested you get Direct TV I was unaware that you could get an upgrade to the system you already had which was the smart way to go. I'm sure you'll enjoy more than just the stations you mentioned. Our digital has about 40 channels of music as well including one that plays Broadway 24/7. I hope that was included in your package as well.

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 03/12/2003 07:40 AM PST

Oh BTW, Lulu. I have been watching The Colbys now and then on Saturday and it just reinforces the feeling I had when it was on in prime time....Stephanie Beachum was the WRONG actress for the role of Sable...she is (or doesn't photograph) as an attractive woman, and her acting is so bad...not GOOD bad, just bad. And yes I know she is hearing impaired and all that...she is still BAD BAD BAD. Joan Collins was good bad...and I have finally decided she still looks like she does because she was locked up in the pyramid in LAND OF THE PHARAOHS.

Posted by Jrand52 @ 03/12/2003 07:40 AM PST

Insert NOT between is and as.

Posted by Jrand52 @ 03/12/2003 07:41 AM PST

WEL: At the time you suggested DirecTV, *I* was unaware that I could upgrade the cable that we had! It was your sage advice that gave me the impetus to get my buns of steel in gear and track down my options. For that, I will be forever grateful. :)

Thanks for the suggestion about subscribing to the program guide -- I might just do that!

Posted by Lulu @ 03/12/2003 08:35 AM PST

First telegram to headquarters:

Ship docking at noon. Send Captain's woman aboard at once.

Second telegram to headquarters:

Insert washer between Captain and woman.

Posted by Western Union @ 03/12/2003 08:38 AM PST

Jrand: The only Allison Hayes movies I've seen (that I know of) are Attack of the 50 Foot Woman and what was it called...the one with John Carradine as the evil doctor doing Unholy Experiments Upon His Patients. Tor "Time for go to bed" Johnson was in it, as well. The Unearthly! That's it.

I can hardly wait to see The Colbys. I never even watched it when it was on. Is La Stanwyck still on the episodes they're showing now? Didn't she leave partway through because the Shapiros refused to provide her with a love interest?

Yesterday I taped Dynasty and watched it once I got home. Alexis is sure to be implicated in her bodyguard's death, I just know it! And do you think those two crazy kids, Fallon and Jeff, will make a go of it in this, Round Two of married life? I just hope their wedding is everything Fallon ever dreamed of...

Posted by Lulu @ 03/12/2003 08:38 AM PST