Posted by Jose C. Simbulan @ 07/14/2003 06:58 AM PST

Favorite Billy Wilder films:
Ball of Fire
Sunset Blvd.
Some Like it Hot

Then there is the film his brother (W. Lee Wilder) made..PHANTOM FROM SPACE, which is a lot of fun! Wonder what Billy thought of his brother's work??! LOL!

Posted by MBarnum @ 07/14/2003 07:21 AM PST

I like SUNSET BOULEVARD from Wilder's Paramount years and ONE TWO THREE from his later United Artist years.

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 07/14/2003 07:26 AM PST

And a gracious hello (a Lily Tomlin reference)this pre-8:00 AM morning.

Billy Wilder is very high on the director's list in this house. After careful deliberation (2 sips of coffee) I find that I can't possibly reduce my "super-favorites" down to fewer than 4 films, each of them so distinctive.
Ball Of Fire
Witness For THe Prosecution
Sunset Blvd.
Some Like It Hot

My God, it sounds like I just booked the Stonewall Film Festival!

Posted by MusicGuy @ 07/14/2003 07:54 AM PST

My all-time favorite Wilder film is - tah-dah - "Spirit of St. Louis"! It's an amazing accomplishment, because it is so focused on Stewart's performance, even more so than any of the films Stewart made with Hitch. Plus, I believe that Lindbergh is the true American Tragic Hero. SoSL explains why the man was a hero; the story of why he is a TRAGIC hero has yet to be told on film or on stage. When that happens...no, audiences don't want to like that kind of thing any more. Their loss.

Posted by S. Woody White @ 07/14/2003 08:22 AM PST

Like Jose, the only Wilder films I have seen are Sunset Boulevard and Some Like it Hot. But they are both such wonderful classics.

Posted by Maya @ 07/14/2003 09:35 AM PST

Wow...that was the shortest post I have written in some time.

Posted by Maya @ 07/14/2003 09:36 AM PST

To recover from the embarrassment of my faux pas last year, let's see if I can make a vrai pas:

François:

Bonne Quattorze Juillet!

LIBERTÉ!

EGALITÉ!

VIN ROUGE!

Posted by William F. Orr @ 07/14/2003 09:39 AM PST

Or perhaps:

VIN ROUGE!

VIN BLANC!

VIN BLEU!

Posted by William F. Orr @ 07/14/2003 09:49 AM PST

Some Like It Hot
Seven Year Itch
Ball of Fire (a gem!)
Witness for the Prosecution
Sunset Boulevard

Posted by Kerry @ 07/14/2003 09:55 AM PST

I, too, am not too familiar with Billy Wilder movies other than Sunset Boulevard, Some Like It Hot and Seven Year Itch. I love all three.

Posted by George @ 07/14/2003 10:04 AM PST

Where in tarnation IS everyone?

Fooled ya! You thought I was BK for a second there, didn't ya? :)

Billy Wilder:

Sunset Boulevard
Ball of Fire
The Major and the Minor (I could do without the flag-waving, but other than that, very enjoyable)
Witness for the Prosecution (just intro'd The Hubby to this recently, and he loved it. What fun!)

Posted by Lulu @ 07/14/2003 10:33 AM PST

I'll chime in with SUNSET BOULEVARD, THE SEVEN YEAR ITCH and SOME LIKE IT HOT, too. Think about how different these three pictures are!

BTW (that's "by the way," in internet lingo), I had a virgin experience last night, namely joining the HHW weekly chat. What fun! What repartee! It was just too, too!

Posted by Jay @ 07/14/2003 10:34 AM PST

Also, can I just say (and I'm not trying to cause any waves, but...) that I have never been able to get into Double Indemnity? I always feel kind of guilty over this, as it is regarded as such a noir classic, etc. I usually adore Barbara Stanwyck, and I can't stand her in this. That terrible blonde wig! Fred MacMurray is wooden as a cigar store Indian and the much-vaunted dialogue I find overly artificial. HOWEVER, I do enjoy Edward G. Robinson. Best thing about the film, imo.

And I LOVE both Stanwyck and MacMurray in Remember the Night. Go figure.

Posted by Lulu @ 07/14/2003 10:35 AM PST

DOUBLE INDEMNITY! Please add that to my list. The house they used for the exterior of Barbara Stanwyck's residence in the picture is in the Beachwood area, a neighborhood I lived in not too long ago.

Posted by Jay @ 07/14/2003 10:54 AM PST

Well, according to Playbill On-Line it's official for Miss Kerry Butler to be in the Broadway production of Little Shop of Horrors

Here is the link to Playbill. Go there and click on the article if you would like to read it. I don't want to put in the whole link because I don't want to put us into Cinerama

http://www.playbill.com/

Posted by Ben @ 07/14/2003 11:07 AM PST

Ben, you can always paste the link into the box for "homepage," thus eliminating the threat of Cinerama. :)

Posted by Lulu @ 07/14/2003 11:25 AM PST

Thanks, Miss Lulu, for that information. Click on my name to go right to the article about Kerry Butler and Hunter Foster (brother of Sutton, Millie in TTM)

Posted by Ben @ 07/14/2003 11:29 AM PST

The Major and the Minor. Ginger Rogers and Ray Milland were just so cute, charming, lovable and sexy. I never tire of the movie.

The Apartment. Another great pairing of actors along with a great script.

Some Like it Hot

Sabrina. I'm a big fan of Humphry Bogart (I have a cat named Bogie), yet, I'm sorry Cary Grant turned down the role.

Posted by Jane @ 07/14/2003 11:44 AM PST

I enjoyed chat last evening. I was sorry I couldn’t stay longer. Unfortunately, I do not type fast enough to be of much interest in the chat area. By the time I am able to type my response to a comment, everyone else is on to a different subject. At least, on the daily posts, I can type at my own speed, attempt to correct my spelling and grammar, and I am still able to keep up with the topic du joir.

My favorite Billy Wilder film would have to be Some Like It Hot. I wish I could say that it was Witness for the Prosecution. I love 99% of that film, but I hate the last ten minutes of the film. I am rarely thrilled with Dame Agatha’s solutions, but this has to be one of her worst. Other than the end, I love that film.

Count me out when it comes to Seven Year Itch. I love Marilyn in just about everything she did, but that film (and that play) are just plain stupid. In addition, Tom Ewell ranks near the bottom of my list of actors that I can barely tolerate to see on the screen, although I do enjoy him in State Fair.

Posted by TCB @ 07/14/2003 11:54 AM PST

So much for correcting my spelling and grammar, since my last post should have read "...that film is just plain stupid."

Posted by TCB @ 07/14/2003 11:58 AM PST

TCB, I'm with you all the way on Seven Year Itch and Tom Ewell in State Fair.

Posted by Jane @ 07/14/2003 12:19 PM PST

Billy Wilder favorites:
Some Like It Hot, followed by
The Apartment
Fedora and Sunset Boulevard
Ball of Fire

I saw Sugar, the musical of SLIH, in its pre-Broadway Toronto tryout. Johnny Desmond was a standout, but his role never made it to Broadway. Elaine Joyce was adorable. I later read that Jerry Herman was called to Toronto by David Merrick, to write some new songs. But out of respect to Jule Styne, he declined. What a gentleman, Jerry Herman. I still catch myself singing "When You Meet A Man From Chicago." I enjoyed Promises Promises, the musicalization of The Apartment. Yet what I recall most clearly is sitting in front of two women who, during intermission, assured each other that their husbands would never behave like the sleezeballs in the show. Didn't see Sunset Boulevard. I agree with whoever the other day said that One, Two, Three would make a really good musical. Ball of Fire would be fun, too. In fact, years ago I took a class with Lehman Engel - and as an exercise wrote an outline of the "show" and penned lyrics to a song we called (actually, it's right out of the movie) "On Account Of Because."

Posted by TorontoDan @ 07/14/2003 12:21 PM PST

"Midnight" is my favorite Wilder film, although he was "merely" one of the writers.

While it's amusing that he once made a non-musical film out of a musical, there's really quite a few good musicals that have been made from his movies. Although, I suppose, one really can't count Floyd Collins (Ace in the Hole).

Posted by Noel @ 07/14/2003 12:40 PM PST

Lulu, I also adore Barbara Stanwyck, but DOUBLE INDEMNITY left me cold too. So do a couple of other of Babs' movies, and yet I still rank her as one of my top favorites of the "big stars" (normally all of my faves are in the "B" film ranks).

My two favorite Stanwyck films...NO MAN OF HER OWN and MIRACLE MAN.

Posted by MBarnum @ 07/14/2003 12:44 PM PST

Hmmmmm.....of course Sunset Blvd and Some Like It Hot!

But as Jane pointed out there is certainly much to admire in The Major and The Minor. I also enjoy Ace In the Hole and The Lost Weekend.

IF I had to choose one, being a great movie fan, it would have to be Sunset Blvd.....

But a close second, in spite of all those I previously mentioned would be a film BK discusses in the last few days.... One, Two, Three!

Honorable mention, The Emperor Waltz.

Posted by Jrand52 @ 07/14/2003 12:48 PM PST

Lulu and M Barnum, I'm with you on DOUBLE INDEMNITY, a movie I have never been able to watch in it's entirety. On the other hand I can watch MAD MISS MANTON, as well as many of her other movies, over and over again. Another great pairing of stars. I think I got a crush on Henry Fonda in that movie.

Posted by Jane @ 07/14/2003 12:56 PM PST

I'd say the TWO films that best exemplify the masterfulness and range of Billy Wilder are SUNSET BOULEVARD and SOME LIKE IT HOT.

In between are these favorites:
The Apartment
Ace in the Hole
The Major and the Minor
Witness for the Prosecution
Stalag 17
A Foreign Affair
One, Two, Three (Yow! The pace!)
Sabrina (a flawed film, but Audrey shines and Bogart, in one scene, gives a lesson in film acting)

Barbara Stanwyck - I agree about DOUBLE INDEMNITY. I just can't get past that blonde wig!

Posted by Donna - Cabaret West @ 07/14/2003 01:04 PM PST

I too saw the Toronto tryout of Sugar. My favorite was Shelia Smith as Sweet Sue. I thought the scenery was great... the next thing I knew was that the set was thrown out and a new one designed. There's probably a good musical in SOME LIKE IT HOT but it sure wasn't SUGAR.

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 07/14/2003 01:14 PM PST

Actually I believe BK made a mistake. The film that Marilyn Monroe was making before she was murdered by the CIA was Something's Got To Give which was being directed by George Cuckor. Dean Martin was in this one too. It was finally finished as Move Over Darling

Posted by Michael Shayne @ 07/14/2003 01:27 PM PST

Jane, I'd forgotten about Sabrina! (Don't know how I could have.) Great flick. "When a woman is happily in love, she burns the souffle. When a woman is unhappily in love, she forgets to turn on the oven."

I'm amazed by how many people concur with my aversion to Double Indemnity. Makes me feel a little better. ;)

Posted by Lulu @ 07/14/2003 01:32 PM PST

Michael Shayne - Did you say that BK made a mistake???

Posted by TCB @ 07/14/2003 01:38 PM PST

Rather than trying to pick a favourite Billy Wilder film, an almost impossible task for me, I thought I'd pick out two of my favourite Billy Wilder lines from two of his movie scripts, which also happen to be two of my favourite movie lines of all time:

1) From THE MAJOR & THE MINOR when a yound Cadet is pointing out to Ginger Rogers the phalanx of girls from the boarding school across the way who've come to attend the dance at the military academy...all of whom, including their headmistress, have had their dos coiffed with a Veronica Lake forelock. The young cadet looks at them with dismissive disgust and says: "We use'em for women."

My second favourite line comes from the delightful MIDNIGHT and needs no set-up:
"I used to swallow things as a child. My mother never left me alone in the room with an armchair."

Posted by Charles Pogue @ 07/14/2003 01:42 PM PST

Help please. My son's girlfriend has never seen "Fiddler on the Roof". I went to purchase the DVD and they only had the special edition, with the addition of the song "Any day". Shall I get her this version or try to find the original movie version?

Posted by Jane @ 07/14/2003 01:44 PM PST

I had forgotten about THE LOST WEEKEND, you can add that to my list of favorite Wilder films. Although it has been many years since saw it, I recall it being quite a good film.

Posted by MBarnum @ 07/14/2003 01:51 PM PST

Without a doubt, Some Like It Hot is my favorite Billy Wilder film and is probably up there with my favorite films of all time, as well.

Thinking of that particular movie, I can't help but laugh when I remember showing Some Like It Hot at my 14th birthday party. Well, actually, it was my father who ran the projectors, but it was at my party. We had a home theater with 35 mm projectors, huge pull-down screen, popcorn and all. The screening of the film was preceded with a few cartoons, just like used to precede the main feature at a matinee. (I found out later that the cartoons were intended to kill time, and I know for a fact that time was not too happy about being done in that day.) Then, while the movie was being shown, just before the Tony Curtis/Marilyn Monroe seduction scene, my father told me that there wasn't enough time to show the whole film, and that he was going to "eliminate one reel" from the middle (the reel which coincidentally contained the seduction scene, of course), claiming "no one would notice." Those friends of mine who had seen the film before did indeed notice that something was missing, that someone was obviously monkeying around in the projection room. Yes, you're heard it right, folks. It was censorship, plain and simple. But, even without the missing reel, it was a great film!

:-)

Posted by Susan @ 07/14/2003 01:51 PM PST

WEL - Sheila Smith was a riot. Don't you miss those pre-Broadway tryouts? Among those I didn't see and wish I had: Darling of the Day (then called Married Alive, I think); and Ray Bolger in Come September. Among those I did see and am glad I did: Illya Darling. When the O'Keefe Center opened in 1960, it was with the world premiere of Camelot. A friend of a friend showed up at the opening in high drag. His photo was featured in the society column the next day, (Zena Cherry, remember her?), with the caption: glamorous mystery woman.

Posted by TorontoDan @ 07/14/2003 02:03 PM PST

Get it, Jane. That song is an EXTRA and is not grafted into the film....in fact it is a audio version only with some stills not the filmed (if it was) song.

Posted by Jrand52 @ 07/14/2003 02:20 PM PST

MS - I think BK said it was written for Monroe, not that she did any work on it.

Something's Got to Give - later reworked with Doris Day as Move Over, Darling - was Marilyn's last film work...incomplete as it is.

Posted by Jrand52 @ 07/14/2003 02:23 PM PST

Me, wrong? Hah, I say, hah! I
did not say that Kiss Me Stupid
was the movie Miss Monroe
was making prior to her death.
I said Kiss Me, Stupid was
WRITTEN for Miss Monroe,
which it was. Hah, I say, hah!

I had a lovely shoot in the City
of Studio and am back in the
office. Keep posting.

My personal favorite Wilder
(and Brackett, I think) line is
from Ace in the Hole. When
told by Kirk Douglas to pray for
her husband who is trapped in
a mineshaft, Jan Sterling
replies: "I don't pray, kneeling
bags my nylons."

Posted by bk @ 07/14/2003 02:23 PM PST

"Some Like It Hot", "Stalag 17" are my favourites and I am probably the only one who enjoyed "The Front Page".
DR Bill Orr: Unfortunately François will not be at work until Thursday night so will miss your delightful post. I shall endeavour to remind him to check the archives.

Posted by Tom from Oz @ 07/14/2003 02:52 PM PST

Thanks Jrand. Maybe we should get it for ourselves as well.

Posted by Jane @ 07/14/2003 03:07 PM PST

I liked The Front Page as well. But I tend to like filmed plays, and also enjoyed The Odd Couple, Sabrina and Stalag 17 by Wilder.

"Any Day Now" is a wonderful song, and served as the rousing finale to the Bock & Harnick revue I put together in May. Mr. Harnick, in particular, enjoyed hearing it with 19 singers.

Posted by Noel @ 07/14/2003 03:40 PM PST

WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION is my top favorite. I like it so much more than the stage version of the play (which I have done before). Of course, all the classics (SUNSET, HOT, STALAG, ITCH, SABRINA, APARTMENT, 1,2,3, INDEMNITY) are all favorites, too.

The one Wilder movie I haven't seen is A FOREIGN AFFAIR. Every time it's slated to come on, something happens, and I miss it. For years, the same thing happened with MAYTIME, but I finally got to see it. One of these days, I will catch up with A FOREIGN AFFAIR.

Posted by Matt H. @ 07/14/2003 05:21 PM PST

Where in tarnation IS
everyone? This is wholly or
even halfly unacceptable - two
hours without a single solitary
post. Let's get crackin' here -
how else will we become the
most popular site on all the
Internet?

Posted by bk @ 07/14/2003 05:22 PM PST

This is a test. Can't get any list messages beyond Noel's of 3:40, and it's now 5:15.

I can't believe people have been that e&t (and also t&e) without BK bitchslapping us all to high heaven.

So I figure posting can force my browser to update.

Posted by William F. Orr @ 07/14/2003 05:25 PM PST

Well, that worked! At least I got old BK abitchslappin'.

Posted by William F. Orr @ 07/14/2003 05:29 PM PST

Noel - I'd be interested in knowing which Harnick and Bock songs were in your revue. I wouldn't know where to begin - there are so many wonderful ones. Off the top of my head (a strange expression for me; there's so little atop mine) I'd include Where Do I Go From Here (thanks, BK, for giving it to us on Lost in Boston), She Loves Me, Dear Friend (Tenderloin and She Loves Me), Will He Like Me, The Picture of Happiness, Little Tin Box, In My Own Lifetime, Tradition, My Gentle Young Johnny.

Posted by TorontoDan @ 07/14/2003 05:46 PM PST

So many BW films to pick from, but, I will start with THE LOST WEEKEND and DOUBLE INDEMNITY.
I do like the Shirley MacLaine collaborations, THE APARTMENT and (yes, I know, they dropped the score) IRMA LA DOUCE.
I still have a soft spot for THE SEVEN YEAR ITCH (it does have The Creature from the Black Lagoon AND Evelyn Keyes), but find that SOME LIKE IT HOT has aged far better.
In spite of Carol Burnett's atrocious performance, THE FRONT PAGE, for the most part, gets things right.
AVANTI! I saw several times in its initial release, and can't wait to see the deeveedee.
THE PRIVATE LIFE OF SHERLOCK HOLMES is nearly a masterpiece! I love the deleted *Honeymoon* sequence.
But, enough about me - - click my name and see what USA TODAY has to say. . .

Posted by Billy Wilder Fanatic @ 07/14/2003 06:16 PM PST

SOME LIKE IT HOT is the only
Wilder film I've seen (at least
the only I remember seeing at
the moment), so I can't really
comment on the topic de jour.

I, too, am a fan of H&B's "Any
Day Now." Found it interesting
how a good chunk of the
melody was borrowed from
"No More Candy" from She
Loves Me. Anyone else notice
that?

Posted by Jed @ 07/14/2003 06:34 PM PST

In jamming 56 Bock and/or Harnick songs into Grand Knowing You, some songs got included just in brief snippets in medleys, and many dearly-loved numbers didn't make it in. I can't list them all in this little (not tin) box, but those you asked about:

She Loves Me was heard in its entirety, but a long medley went in its middle
Dear Friend (Tenderloin) was a late scratch
Dear Friend (She Loves Me) was included, and, as indeed, a violin played
Will He Like Me, brief snippet, sung mostly by a man, a little by a woman
Little Tin Box, In My Own Lifetime, both in their entirety
Tradition: just a few bars each of the Poppas, Mommas and Daughters, never the title.

There was much tailoring to the cast: I was going to give Where Do We Go From Here to a young alto but she knocked us out with her upper register, auditioning with Far From the Home I Love. So she ended up doing Far From... and Matchmaker and Where Do We Go went.

Part of the trick of these things is making the songs work out of context, and My Gentle Young Johnny, like much of Tenderloin and The Rothschilds, proved daunting.

Posted by Noel @ 07/14/2003 06:35 PM PST

Thanks, Noel. (When is the revue coming our way?)

Posted by TorontoDan @ 07/14/2003 06:39 PM PST

And yes, we noticed that Any Day Now sounds like No More Candy in minor. Composers often borrow from themselves. Compare Porter's Don't Look At Me That Way and Let's Not Talk About Love

Posted by Noel @ 07/14/2003 06:40 PM PST

Of the various cut FIDDLER songs I've heard I prefer "Dear Sweet Sewing Machine" which BK recorded on one of the LOST IN BOSTON CDs and "When Messiah Comes" performed by Sheldon Harnick himself on "An Evening With Sheldon Harnick" (and now available on the "deluxe" edition FIDDLER OBC CD).

Wouldn't you love to see concerts of shows with everything written and later cut added back in? FIDDLER of course... and 110 IN THE SHADE which would run about five hours with all the songs put back in!

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 07/14/2003 06:50 PM PST

My God, I forgot "Sabrina"-- one of my all-time favorite films!!!!!!!!

Posted by Kerry @ 07/14/2003 06:58 PM PST

WEL - "When Messiah
Comes" is another good one,
but for some reason, I've just
never been fond of "Dear
Sweet Sewing Machine." I've
tried, but it's just one of those
songs I can't seem to grow an
affinity for.

Posted by Jed @ 07/14/2003 07:26 PM PST

I grew an affinity once. I had to water it a lot, but it was quite nice.

Posted by bk @ 07/14/2003 07:42 PM PST

You must all go read the new entry in J's journal! it's a double entry!

Posted by Craig @ 07/14/2003 07:47 PM PST

Hi everyone--back from work.

What do you all think about the upcoming Fiddler revival? I don't know if I can see Alfred Molina as Tevye or not but he's a darned good actor so we'll see. Also, I wonder if they'll try to reinvent the show or not to make it appeal to a younger audience or something.

Posted by Maya @ 07/14/2003 07:48 PM PST

Hi one and all, and some and nine...... Just finished having dinner, and trying to cool down on our hottest day of the year so far...yes dear people, 116 degrees. And, that is measured totally in a shaded controlled area, away from reflective concrete or asphalt.. in other words, totally not in the environment that mere mortals have to try to navigate and work in here in our lovely valley.

UGH........It's enough to make Minnie's 5-day deordorant pads only last 23 hours!

Posted by MusicGuy @ 07/14/2003 08:17 PM PST

Hmmmm... That was weird... I was just typing a post, and my laptop just turned off. No warning, no nothing. Just off. But everything seems to be all right... (fingers crossed) -at least I'm up and running again.

As I was writing before...

Just got back in from a wonderful day in DC! The weather was gorgeous, and the traffic, in general seemed really light all day. I stopped by a few offices just to keep my face in front of some key people, and they just spent the rest of day having some good food, and doing some window shopping and walking around the city. I even managed to snag the single new issue copy of the vocal selections of The Last Five Years at the music store I used to work at - and I got the book at my "old employee" discount too!

The young actor who's playing Man 1 in my current production of I Love You, You're Perfect, Now Change came with me, and it was nice for both of us to spend some time away from the theatre. *And we also went to JRs which is a gay bar in Dupont Circle for a drink - a very strong rum and coke (and only $2 - it was happy hour). And it was my first time in a gay bar in DC in about 12 years! It was kind of a "test" for me, and it was nice having my friend with me - who is not gay - to be there with me. AH, life's little victories! We then wrapped our day with a wonderful sushi dinner at my favorite place in Arlington before heading back to Winchester.

AND I know we're all already doing/done it, but...

HAPPY OPENING NIGHT, JULIANA!!!!

-TMM opened in Kansas City tonight!

Posted by Jose C. Simbulan @ 07/14/2003 10:05 PM PST

Oops! Got my tenses mixed up...

TMM opens tonight, July 15 in Kansas City.

Break a leg!

Posted by Jose C. Simbulan @ 07/14/2003 10:06 PM PST

Oh - and since I'm on the East Coast, it already is July 15...

Posted by Jose C. Simbulan @ 07/14/2003 10:09 PM PST

Sorry to have been errant and truant for the last few days. My son had a three-day-weekend, and he and I had a nice weekend out of town together.

Posted by Laura @ 07/14/2003 11:22 PM PST

I agree with you - Marnie is a masterpiece. I wish the dvd was better. a letterbox transfer has run on cable with better colro and sound. The Marnie trailer is hailarious.
Billy Wilder - Sunset Boulevard amazes to this day. I can't get enough of Spirit of st. Louis. For years, I have tried to get into the Sherlock Holmes film but no go.
An interesting topic we should try some day - what films that everyone agrees is a classic, just doesn't do it for you.
One of them for me would be some Like it Hot - never found this film funny or much of anything. Have watched it many times with froms, always wondering what they see in it.
Love Wilders underated Fedora.

Posted by Joe Caporiccio @ 07/15/2003 04:17 AM PST

I blow hot and cold on MARNIE. There is much of it I admire, but there are other things that don't work for me, too. The three Hitchcocks I really like that everyone else seems to loathe are THE PARADINE CASE, STAGE FRIGHT, and TORN CURTAIN. Ah, well, to each his own.

Posted by Matt H. @ 07/15/2003 06:27 AM PST