Posted by MusicGuy @ 08/27/2003 08:09 AM PST

writing a musical based on your impending wedding (to be performed at the wedding) is an inspired idea

I now worry that I've engendered way too much confusion on this here friendly site. The musical isn't based on the wedding, it is the wedding. Or, put anohter way, the wedding is a musical.

Panni, if you think you've made suggestions that were inappropriate, I must have missed them. Actually, the collection of suggestions from the DRs is very helpful at this point; I thank you all.

Today, I accompany a Major Star as she sings a song for the memorial of her co-star in a movie of a musical from many years ago. She'll be singing one of his songs. We caught her on Broadway last night and I've got to say that was one of the greatest performances I've ever seen, up there with Dewhurst in Misbegotten and Stockard Channing in Joe Egg, Six Degrees and House of Blue Leaves. But could anyone expect any less?

Posted by Noel @ 08/27/2003 08:16 AM PST

WEL, thanks for the info on Rhino and Gypsy. I'm on the Handmade e-mail list so I get notices about those releases but as I said, I haven't seen anything about this release of Gypsy. I'm surprised they are not making it a Handmade release.

Music Guy, my mother used to use the phrase "brain you" also. I remember it well. She never told me to go play in traffic but she did say things like "If you don't stop that, I'll brain you!"

Jose, hope you're having a grand time down under. Does it make you dizzy hanging upside down ;-) And does the water in the loo really go the other way round?

Posted by Ben @ 08/27/2003 08:17 AM PST

Ask BK: Maybe I should know the answer to this, but have you ever produced an album of a show that hasn't been produced yet? What would it take to get you to do this (if you ever would)?

Posted by Noel @ 08/27/2003 08:18 AM PST

Noel, I believe the best advice came from Joe Cocker: "You Can Leave Your Hat On". That could apply to either the bride or the groom, I suppose...

Posted by Dave @ 08/27/2003 08:20 AM PST

My mother was known to use an expression or two, although probably not to the extent of Minnie. Although my brother told me it was more than I remember. Yes, my mother told me to go play in traffic. Can't remember if she actually said the brain thing, although I'd like to think she did.

Now, where in tarnation IS everyone? Don't you think today we should have 666 posts? Or, at the very least 111 posts.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 08:21 AM PST

Noel: Yes, I produced the album of The Night of the Hunter which, at the time, had only had one workshop (although I'd agreed to produce the album prior to the workshop). From the date of that first workshop (which was not good - WRONG director) we spent three years developing Hunter, getting it to the point where I felt is was ready to record. People seem to like the album so I guess we did good.

The show has to lend itself to a "concept" recording and I do like to record material I respond to. That's about it.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 08:25 AM PST

Well, the advice really came from Randy Newman, since he wrote You Can Leave Your Hat On. Did Cocker really sing it?

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 08:28 AM PST

Ahh the good ole #666 post! How delighted I am. Has anyone seen my dear Lola?

By the way... curious that Satan and Santa have the same letters, no? We also both love red - although he tends to like the cold where I like it where it's HOT HOT HOT!

Posted by Mr. Applegate @ 08/27/2003 08:28 AM PST

BK Question: Did you enjoy being a lesbian vampire yesterday?

Question for DRs: Speaking of "expressions" such as Minnie uses in the Kritzer book, what expression did your parents use that seemed quite normal while you were growing up but now seem quite odd. I will start with the expressions used by my own parents Willard and Carroll Barnum. "For Crying Out-Loud." "Jesus H. Christ," "Well, for Crying in a Bucket,"...I know there are others but now my mind is a blank. If I think of more I will post them.

Posted by MBarnum @ 08/27/2003 08:34 AM PST

I shall watch DEVIL GIRL FROM MARS then...and is she ever mean. She comes flying to earth in a spaceship that looks like a teapot and commands a robot that looks like a Westinghouse refrigerator. Yes, world conquest cannot be far away! Nyah is nigh!

I would like to ask the DR -have you ever been at the right place at exactly the right time? That is, did something nice happen to you just because you were where you are at that moment even though there were other places you could have been? But you weren't? You were there and not someplace else, so something happened? To you...

Posted by Jrand53 @ 08/27/2003 08:39 AM PST

Oh - and today is DR Susan's birthday, once removed.

In THE FIVE PENNIES, Susan grew up to be Tuesday Weld...and TW is celebrating her birthday today!

Posted by Jrand53 @ 08/27/2003 08:40 AM PST

Joe Cocker sang "You Can Leave Your Hat On", as featured on the soundtrack to "9 1/2 Weeks". The image of Kim Basinger lip-synching the song is forever emblazoned in my memory.

Someone will have to explain Randy Newman to me.

Posted by Dave @ 08/27/2003 08:50 AM PST

Actually, I don't believe you *can* leave your hat on, unless one of several things is true:

-The hat in question is a bonnet.

-The hat in question is held in place with a hat pin.

-You're one of those people who just lies there like so much fish.

Randy Newman is a man what writes songs. Some people enjoy his songs; others don't.

Posted by Lulu @ 08/27/2003 09:03 AM PST

I sprayed Lysol under my arms this morning.

Posted by Kim Basinger @ 08/27/2003 09:04 AM PST

This isn't my hair...these are my nerve endings!

Posted by Lesbian Vampire of Sodom @ 08/27/2003 09:05 AM PST

Noel, I am deeply humbled that you would find my Melanie's performance last night equal to Stockard Channing. But what is a Dewhurst?

Posted by A. Banderas @ 08/27/2003 09:11 AM PST

Yes, I did enjoy being a
Lesbian Vampire yesterday.

I'm afraid you either "get" Mr.
Newman or you don't (I'm not
speaking of his movie songs,
just his pop stuff). I "get" him
and think he's terrific. Sure, I'll
list some of my favorite
non-movie Newman songs: I
Think it's Gonna Rain Today,
Marie, Short People, Sail Away,
Simon Smith and the Amazing
Dancing Bear, Real Emotional
Girl - I'll leave some to the rest
of you.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 09:16 AM PST

DR A. Banderas:
Will you please come to my bachelorette party?

Sorry, I'm feeling devilish...I wonder why?

From Yesterday:
DR Maya Favorite Year:
It seems we used to live less than a mile apart. If you walked across the street towards the West End and the X-Rated movie theatre that also played legitimate movies, and bore left behind the shopping center, you'd have found a path that runs along the creek. If you walked along that path, you would have ended up across the street from our townhouse on Holmes Run Parkway. Small world, indeed!

What shows have you seen at the WEDT, Maya and others?

DR Jennifer: If you ever have problems with MS Word again, shoot me an email -- I can probably help you.

I enjoy Randy Newman. I like "Short People". I also like Short People -- one of my best friends is a Short Person.

DR Lulu:
I can think of other instances in which you can leave your hat on. But they involve walls and chairs and certain four-legged animals. But this is a family site, so I will stop there.

Asking BK:
Where can I find previous Broadway Radio Shows? Are they archived?
And also, is there a New York City recording studio that you would recommend for me? I want to make a CD of my cabaret show, and I don't have much recording experience so I will need a lot of guidance. How much should I expect to spend, and what would you consider a ripoff? Thanks!

Posted by Joy @ 08/27/2003 09:26 AM PST

Years ago, a coach gave me "Gainesville" by Randy Newman. I thought the song was pretty, but I didn't get what the big appeal was. Generally, however, I like Randy Newman.

Posted by Joy @ 08/27/2003 09:27 AM PST

Not to start an argument, but there really isn't much to "get" about Randy Newman. His songs - at least those that I have heard - are very simple and to the point.

I just find that his songs always sound "unfinished", as though they are a first draft of a better song.

He is also part of that whole "singer/songwriter who can't really sing" movement that Bob Dylan inflicted upon us. I say, leave the singing to those who can.

Posted by Dave @ 08/27/2003 09:31 AM PST

Dave, I agree with you about songwriters who can't really sing. Don't they know that their songs sound better sung by singers? As much as I worship Stephen Schwartz and I liked the personal touch that he gave to "Fathers and Sons" on the Stephen Schwartz album, I don't really want to hear him sing anymore. And yet, I saw a MAC concert at the Lighthouse in New York last year in which he sang SEVERAL of his own songs. I wanted to jump up on the stage and say, "Stephen, it's okay, I'll sing your fabulous songs! Please, let me sing them for you!" But I'm not famous enough for that. Actually, I'm not famous at all. Even if I was famous, I wouldn't have done it anyway because it would have been rude. But I'm not.

Posted by Joy @ 08/27/2003 09:56 AM PST

Oh yeah, AND he sings all the songs on his "Reluctant Pilgrim" album, which I think was a very bad decision. That album, unfortunately, collects dust at my apartment, which is a HIGHLY UNUSUAL fate for a Stephen Schwartz album at my apartment.

Posted by Joy @ 08/27/2003 09:58 AM PST

I think she's old enough now! -- I watched "Hello, Dolly!" on DVD last night (no alternate opening number that I could discern. I was only going to skim over it and catch a few highlights but found I was watching the entire first half of the film. Go figure. Then, I HAD to watch "The Waiter's Galop" and saw it again, but as if for the first time. It's fresh, astoundingly inventive and a miracle of energetic frenzy and magnificent dancing. What a tour de force!

Now I wonder what might "be" if the film were to be remade, once again starring Ms. Streisand, with a different sort of casting:

Dolly Levi -- Barbra Streisand
Horace Vandergelder -- Michael Douglas
Cornelius Hackl -- Leonard di Caprio
Barnaby Tucker -- Ryan Philippe
Irene Malloy -- Catherine Zeta-Jones
Minnie Fay -- Reese Witherspoon

It might be fun!

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/27/2003 10:04 AM PST

Randy Newman and Stephen Schwarz.

I think I will stick with Buffy Sainte-Marie.

Posted by Jrand53 @ 08/27/2003 10:06 AM PST

Hey everyone!

DR Joy thanks for the offer to help with microsoft word. Actually, I wasn't having problems with microsoft word per se. My computer just wasn't saving stuff properly and I kept getting error messages. And it was driving me insane.

DR Ron: I hope you saw my comments about BB4 from last night. Although that girl Alison is a mystery. Today she is telling the guys the missing item that she told Jun she wouldn't tell them! Ugh!

Posted by Jennifer @ 08/27/2003 10:16 AM PST

Ron - If you think the "Waiter's Gallop" is something on screen, you should see the stage version with the original Gower Champion choreography.

Tuesday Weld gives a bad Susan Gordon imitation in 5 PENNIES.

For Ask BK Day - I mentioned this yesterday and nobody responded. If the teams of (1)Adams and Strouse and (2) Bock and Harnick had stayed together do you think they would have been more successful than the individual writers have been on their own?

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 08/27/2003 10:20 AM PST

MBarnum: My parents also said Jesus H. Christ. What an odd expression. I put a link on my name to The Straight Dope which tries to explain the origin. Interesting. If you google it you get all sorts of sites which attempt to explain the phrase.

My mother also threatened to "clean your clock" "three sheets to the wind" How that ever came to mean drunk, I'll never know. I also remember my grandmother talking about "living the life of Riley" I always thought it had something to do with the television show from the 1950s but it doesn't. Those are some of the phrases I remember. I'm sure more will come to me as the day wears on.

Posted by Ben @ 08/27/2003 10:22 AM PST

Dave, this is from yesterday, I have never heard of Lyle, Lyle Crocodile. Sounds like fun though. There are over 2,300 references in one Internet search so other people have heard of it.

Posted by Ben @ 08/27/2003 10:25 AM PST

Randy Newman's singing is
not what I was talking about -
his singing is his singing.
Some of it I like, some I don't.

But I would, of course,
respectfully disagree that his
songs sound like unfinshed
sketches for better songs, but
that's what makes horse
racing. I think he's terrific and
the devil take the hindmost,
whatever the HELL that
means.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 10:27 AM PST

I will repeat my question (in abbreviated form) from last week, since BK did not deign to answer it. Nor did he swede to answer it.

Why does everyone write mic (Jagger) but say mike (Wallace)?

Posted by William F. Orr @ 08/27/2003 10:32 AM PST

Joy: The past radio shows are
not archived, however Mr. Mark
Bakalor and I are discussing
how to implement that, so
hopefully they will be archived
and available soon.

Recording studios in NY are
not cheap. I use Manhattan
Beach regularly (on 37th St.) -
I've been using it for years and
they're very nice, and the
house engineer, Danny
Lawrence, is very good and
very helpful. I don't know what
they charge people off the
street, but I usually pay $1,000
for eight to ten hours.

Bock and Harnick, Strouse
and Adams: Hard to know. I'm
sure Bock and Harnick had
more shows in them and the
same holds true from Strouse
and Adams. I don't think either
of the teams have done as
well with other collaborators.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 10:37 AM PST

What the --

Posted by Jrand53 @ 08/27/2003 10:39 AM PST

Well, I suppose because the
correct abbreviation would be
"mic", since there is no "k" in
the spelling of microphone.
Since the "c" is hard, one
simply must pronounce the
abbreviation "mike".

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 10:39 AM PST

What the what?

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 10:41 AM PST

This is my first post but I have been enjoying the witty discussions for several weeks now. Hello to everyone!

Was Randy Newman's "I Think its Going to Rain Today" a song covered by Helen Reddy on one of her early recordings? The lyrics contained the verse "Tin Can at my feet. Think I'll kick it down the street. That's the way to treat a friend" . It is a really powerful song. By the way, Helen Reddy sounded great on the "Center Stage" CD.

Posted by Nick714 @ 08/27/2003 10:42 AM PST

MBarnum: My favorite expression heard growing up was not uttered by a parent, but by Edith, the woman who managed the formal wear/wedding gown store my mother owned. Edith spoke fractured English with a thick Hungarian accent -- in her youth she worked at the Gabor - THE Gabor- jewelry shop in Budapest. Whenever a bridal party would come in and start looking through the gowns, picking out one in particular, Edith would smile her charming gap-toothed smile and say, "So, are you girls interesting?"

Posted by Panni @ 08/27/2003 10:47 AM PST

Welcome to new DR Nick 714. Join the cookies!

Posted by Ben @ 08/27/2003 10:49 AM PST

Welcome, Nick. Yes, Helen
Reddy did a cover of Rain
Today. So did Joel Grey on
one of his Columbia albums.
But that's one song that I think
Newman does better than
anyone, save for Judy Collins
who did the definitive version, I
think.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 11:12 AM PST

Question for DRs. Does anyone else listen to AccuRadio? It's an on-line Internet radio station. I've put the link in my name if you want to go there. I'm having trouble with two of the stations and I wanted to know if anyone else listens and is having the same problem. The program only works with the Internet Explorer browser and early versions of Netscape (4.7 and below, although it won't work with my Netscape at all) and you need to have Windows Media Player installed on your computer (if you only have Real Player the program won't work). The program used to work fine but now when I try to listen either to the Cabaret station or the Broadway station, it "connects to the media" and then I get a "ready" message and nothing else will happen no matter what I do. Swinging Pop Standards works fine but the other two are giving me headaches. I haven't heard back from technical assistance about whether those two stations are having problems. Anyone else listening and having those problems?

Posted by Ben @ 08/27/2003 11:20 AM PST

Panni - "So, are you girls interesting?" made me laugh and made me think of Bea Lillie's line in Hight Spirits: "I'm delightful to meet you."

Noel - I checked with a twice-married friend about advice from the bridesmaids. She said the usual thing is to calm down a jittery bride. (Rhyming "jittery" could be fun.) Also, she introduced the idea of the rogue bridesmaid - the kind who mentions rumors about the groom. But seeing that the groom is you ...

Posted by Dan-in-Toronto @ 08/27/2003 11:20 AM PST

High.

Posted by Dan-in-Toronto @ 08/27/2003 11:21 AM PST

Congratulations, Nick!

May it give you a lasting buzz...

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/27/2003 11:24 AM PST

I guess Adams and Strouse are writing together again. They've done the score (to a book by Rupert Holmes) for a musical version of the Oscar® winning film MARTY that is a possibility for a Broadway run next spring.

Speaking of Holmes, I just bought his first novel but haven't had a chance to read it yet.

Posted by William E. Lurie @ 08/27/2003 11:25 AM PST

Yes, Marty. It had a tryout in
Boston with John C. Reilly, but
the reviews were very mixed to
negative as I recall. I don't
think it's a certainty to come in.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 11:29 AM PST

BK: The c isn't hard. The c is quite easy. And you, of all people, should know that, as you have excellent vowels.

It's the i that's hard. Is it a jiggy i? Or is it and eye i? Ay ay ay!

I mean when they write "Stop flicking your Bic," do you say, "Stop flicking your Bike?"

And furthermore: Hmph!

Posted by William F. Orr @ 08/27/2003 11:40 AM PST

I didn't understand DR WFO's post....got it. I agree, I think it's an abbreviation thing.

Welcome to Nick714.

I don't think my parents said anything regularly that I would care to type here....I will say that I was almost 5 years old before I realized my first name wasn't "shut up Jack."

I was thinking about Totie Fields...hehehe. One time on The Glen Campbell Goodtime Hour, Totie acted out the female reactions that Glen sang about in his hit song "By the Time I Get to Phoenix"...she was so funny.

Posted by Jrand53 @ 08/27/2003 11:41 AM PST

Mea culpa! I meant "you have excellent consonants. Hey, and your vowels ain't bad neither, kid.

Posted by William F. Orr @ 08/27/2003 11:42 AM PST

??? That should have been "Congratulations Dan!" (etcetera).

And "Welcome, Nick 714!"

Ah well, that's one of the drawbacks to almost nearly being 55.

To respond to yesterday's thread about background:

South Carolina native
Bachelor's Degree in Theater/minor in English/Speech from Mars Hill College NC (Class of 1970)
23 1/2 years in the U.S. Navy as a Journalist/Broadcaster (with plenty of community theater work during my nine years of service in Italy).
I'm now in Oakland CA and working for County government in GSA (working toward my 2nd retirement stipend), serving a real estate group as administrative assistant.
Have been a fan/collector of film music since 1962 when I was blown away by "To Kill A Mockingbird" and discovered a whole world of music opening up to me.
While I've also loved musical theater most of my life, as well, I've only recently made earnest efforts to expose myself to the vast availability of cast recordings on CD.
I've been a Sondheim fan since "Follies" appeared on LP.
I've been a Schwartz fan since I saw "Wicked" this past Spring.
I'm opinionated, outspoken, sudden and grumpy -- I love a good turn of phrase, a good (wicked) joke, and discoursing with people who don't take themselves so seriously that they get offended if you disagree with them.
I have a cat named Vickie; I love the French; I speak awful French; I can swear beautifully in Italian; and I will be reborn as an Australian in my next life!

DR Jennifer: Alison cannot keep too much to herself. She hasn't spilled anything to Jee or Robert about the all-girl alliance. To my knowledge, Jee hasn't told her about Jack's suggestion that Jee use the veto, spare Erika and put up Alison. But I take Alison at her word that she plans to take Jee down and she knows she can do that better with Erika than she can with Jack.

Alison, Erika, and Jun will compete against Robert for HOH. I like their chances!

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/27/2003 11:42 AM PST

Greetings to one and all!

This has been a terrible week. My computer died last week and my previously close friend, who was supposed to come fix it, is suddenly MIA. I had forgotten what is was like back in the stone age. B.C.= Before Computers. Then to make matters worse, I have been laid up at home with back problems, so I haven’t even been able to catch up with all the doings at HHW from work. Talk about withdrawal.

And all of that has been taking place while I have been trying to celebrate my birthday. Thank you DR Susan and Tom from Oz for your kind birthday wishes. Hopefully I will be able to rejoin the human race (an almost Jerry Herman reference) soon. In the mean time, welcome to all the new additions to HHW, Happy Birthday (late) to Jrand and Jose, and Happy Birthday (early) to dear little Sarah.

And finally, DR Noel, what a cryptic description of the artist you are playing for today. Is there a prize for answering this trivia question?
Any additional clues? Initials?

Posted by TCB @ 08/27/2003 11:58 AM PST

Well I am quite excited today because I have been invited by our very own talented and lovely Ms. Kerry Butler to the final dress of Little Shop of Horrors!

As for Randy Newman - he's amazing...and it took the academy long enough to recognize his talents - even if the song he won for wasn't his best (IMHO)

Posted by Craig @ 08/27/2003 11:59 AM PST

Welcome Nick!

As for Randy Newman, pop or sountrack, he is one of the most gifted composers and lyricists. I'm not big on his voice, though.
"Sail Away" as done by either Bobby Darin (are you listening Tom from Oz?) or Linda Ronstadt is swell, simply swell.
"Marie," well, nobody does it better than Guy Haines, but Judy Collins does a remarkable job with it.
"I Think It's Gonna Rain Today," Collins or Bette Midler, and you can't go wrong.
"You've Got a Friend in Me" I prefer the Newman vocal with Lyle Lovett, but Robert Goulet's has its moments.
"When She Loved Me" John DePalma. No contest.
"Short People" one of the few that I like Newman's voice on, that, and "I Love L.A."
"One More Hour" (Theme from RAGTIME - Milos Forman's) - hauntingly sung by Miss Jennifer Warnes.
I also think that Janis Ian would make a fine interpreter of Randy Newman's music and lyrics.

As for asking BK, I don't know if this has been asked before, but:
What are you favorite Maurice Jarre scores?
(Dear Readers one and all, feel free to answer, too).

Posted by td @ 08/27/2003 12:00 PM PST

RE: RANDY NEWMAN -- Count me among his fans. I just saw his show at The Cerritos Center last Friday. It was just him and a piano on stage and he was great -- although, with his style of singing, I had to listen hard to understand the lyrics. He told this story about being interviewed by a "little" person for one of their magazines. As the interview progressed, it slowly dawned on Mr. Newman that the reporter was making him out to be a Charleton Heston type. To smooth things over, Randy said he invited him to spend the night in his hotel room. Nothing untoward, mind you.

I got to appreciate the depth and breadth of his songwriting even more when I saw the musical, THE EDUCATION OF RANDY NEWMAN. It had its world premiere in 2000 at South Coast Repertory Theatre in Costa Mesa. Randy was nowhere in sight but his music was -- sung by four singer/actors. The songs were arranged in such a way they told a story. I believe they're taking the show back East for more performances.

There's also the CD collection of all his songs that came out a few years ago. From that collection, I remember hearing a terrific song he wrote when he was but a wee sprig of a lad. I think the title was "You're So Vain."

Posted by Donna @ 08/27/2003 12:06 PM PST

DR "td": My favorite Maurice Jarre score is "Resurrection," the Ellen Burstyn-Sam Shepard-Eva LeGallienne film from the 1980s.

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/27/2003 12:17 PM PST

The one I play most often...so it must be favorite...Jarre score is GRAND PRIX!!

Posted by Jrand52 @ 08/27/2003 12:21 PM PST

Welcome to new DR Nick.

Posted by Laura @ 08/27/2003 12:23 PM PST

Not a huge fan of Mr. Jarre, but
I do love his scores for The
Collector, Witness, and Eyes
without a Face

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 12:24 PM PST

Ben:
I just opened it for the first time -- thanks for the link! -- and I'm not having trouble with the Broadway station.

Posted by Joy @ 08/27/2003 12:25 PM PST

The only "You're So Vain" that I know was written by Carly Simon. You wanna know who it's about...?

Posted by Dave @ 08/27/2003 12:26 PM PST

Of course, now that I've said that, it's "playing" a track from La Boheme but there's no sound. Hm.

Posted by Joy @ 08/27/2003 12:31 PM PST

Dave:
I heard that Carly Simon auctioned that secret off to some lucky fan for a charity auction at Martha's Vineyard. But the winner won't tell. So who is it? I think Warren Beatty.

Posted by Joy @ 08/27/2003 12:38 PM PST

Mick Jagger

Posted by Warren Beatty @ 08/27/2003 12:40 PM PST

Warren, if it is Mick Jagger, it would be pretty ironic that Mick is singing backup on the song, wouldn't it?

(Yes, that would be Mick on the mic.)

Posted by Dave @ 08/27/2003 12:43 PM PST

Perhaps my post is number 66?
BK and DR's: do you have an
opinion about the works of Maury
Yeston? What is it?
(The reason I ask is that my birthday
CD's included a small Maury Yeston
festival-the songbook from ps
classics, the original cast of Titanic,
which is better than any musical
version of that story has the right to
be, and the rerelease of the original
Nine, which is wonderful.)

Another question: Which movie
versions of stage musicals do you
like? Which dislike? Which should
be buried under a pile of rocks?

Welcme DR Nick.

Posted by Hapgood @ 08/27/2003 12:47 PM PST

I was 66!
I always knew that I was a horny little
devil.
(Remember, no groaning here at
Haines His Way.)

Posted by Hapgood @ 08/27/2003 12:48 PM PST

Well, I'm writing this in the break between today's two classes, so I will try to be concise which for me is very hard!

Joy--what an amazing coincidence! I remember Holmes Run Park very well...my dad would take me biking along the path there and I remember the legions of furry caterpillars in summer very vividly...ah, memories...

WEL and Dan--thanks for the Auntie Mame info from yesterday! I cannot put that book down and I'm already about 2/3 done with it. It's so interesting how they changed it from book to play to musical...like it shocked me to see that in the book, Vera is not nearly as important a character as she is in the musical. I do need to see the movie...I've resisted seeing it because I hate that Rosalind Russell took Mama Rose away from Merman for the movie, and so I've missed some otherwise good Rosalind Russell movies as a result. But I can get over that now, I think...oh, and I really want to read Little Me now too!

Welcome to new DR Nick!

And finally, for ask BK day...

BK, who would you like to see play Mame, Vera and some of the other characters in the upcoming Mame revival?

Arggh...one of these days I WILL write a short post...

Posted by Maya Fair Lady @ 08/27/2003 12:50 PM PST

Thank you all for you wonderful warm welcomes. And also thanks to BK for affirming that the 44 year old grey matter still remembers something from the early 70's. Maybe its because its BK's 666th note or maybe its because I visited parts of my teenage mind, but I am begining to feel a little devilish....Maybe I'll have some Devil's Food Cake for desert tonight to celebrate my first post!

Posted by Nick714 @ 08/27/2003 12:50 PM PST

I love the movie version of Hair. I loathe the movie version of Bye Bye Birdie and the recent television re-make with Jason Alexander is equally awful (IMHO). Guys and Dolls the movie w/Mr. Marlon Brando and Francis Albert has some nice moments but overall, I think it's pretty bad.

Posted by Ben @ 08/27/2003 12:50 PM PST

Oh...and happy 666th!

*Pulls Hapgood's devil tail* ;)

Posted by Maya @ 08/27/2003 12:51 PM PST

Re: Big Brother 4 (okay i'm obcessed)

Ron wrote:
DR Jennifer: Alison cannot keep too much to herself. She hasn't spilled anything to Jee or Robert about the all-girl alliance.

Well I agree with you there. She has not told them about the all girl alliance. Although I think Jee and Robert are very suspicious and think this may be happening.

The thing that made me question Alison's loyalty was that her and Jun went around the house trying to count the missing objects. They agreed not to tell the guys about the ones they didn't find. Yet I could swear that Alison went and told Robert and Jee.

Why would she do that?

She is basically playing both sides. I think she may not be totally decided what she will do.

I also think she will stick with the females. But doesn't she realize that by lying, she will not be popular with the jury.

She is telling the guys she is still with them.

To my knowledge, Jee hasn't told her about Jack's suggestion that Jee use the veto, spare Erika and put up Alison.

No. But the veto wasn't used. We saw that already.

But I take Alison at her word that she plans to take Jee down and she knows she can do that better with Erika than she can with Jack.

Alison, Erika, and Jun will compete against Robert for HOH. I like their chances!

I would never take ally at her word. She is a liar. But i agree, i think the girls can take it.

But with a live eviction Ally could change her mind :)

Posted by Jennifer @ 08/27/2003 12:55 PM PST

They call the wind Maya - actually RR has grown on me over the years in the celluloid GYPSY. I watched THERE'S NO BUSINESS LIKE SHOW BUSINESS and tried to imagine THAT Merman doing the film version...and I don't know that I would have appreciated or liked it. After all is said and done, Russell was a terrific actress and though her performance is ghosted, she is there on the screen saying the dialog and acting the part. I like it...but it took me some time. Watch TNBLSB again...Merman's acting might have been shy of the mark....her singing, no argument there. I am still waiting for my new cast album!

And has been suggested, watch her AUNTIE MAME - it's the performance she gave several hundred times on Broadway and on tour - and she owns the role as far as I am concerned. And of course you have the luscious Joanna Barnes as THE VERY Gloria Upson!!!

Legend has it that on the last Sunday of a LONG road tour, Russell was upset with some of the members of the cast giving less than their all, and as was her perogative, had the stage manager call a brush up rehearsal!

Posted by Jrand53 @ 08/27/2003 01:02 PM PST

I love Joanna Barnes in the original The Parent Trap. Lethal charm at its most potent.

Posted by Lulu @ 08/27/2003 01:08 PM PST

There are only a few instances where I think the film version of a musical actually exceeds the stage version:

SOUND OF MUSIC
GREASE
CHICAGO
FIDDLER ON THE ROOF
WEST SIDE STORY

A few have survived the transition well:

GYPSY (the Rosalind Russell version)
JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR
LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS (in spite of the altered ending, it still works)
THE MUSIC MAN (the Robert Preston version, obviously)
most of the Rodgers & Hammerstein musicals

...while others did not fare so well:

ANNIE
A CHORUS LINE
A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM
EVITA

and I know this is a controversial opinion around here, but I feel that the film version of CABARET destroys a classic of the stage.

I disqualify myself from offering an opinion on the films of CAMELOT and MAN OF LA MANCHA, as they were such a dreadful bore that I was unable to finish watching them.

Posted by Dave @ 08/27/2003 01:16 PM PST

Here is my question for Dear Reader Day:

Dear DRs Kerry and MusicGuy: What's for dinner?

Posted by Laura @ 08/27/2003 01:16 PM PST

In my CD Player: "Sweet Charity", original soundtrack.

As BK has told you, it sounds shrill. Doesn't ANYBODY at the major labels have any skills in obtaining a balanced, pleasing sound?

They obviously used the LP master -- someone should have listened to the LP to see how the sound should have been balanced. Decca used to be a GREAT label!

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/27/2003 01:18 PM PST

Major Star was a princess, very kind to me, and I enjoyed making music with her. I got to tell her that after a lifetime of being enriched by her art (including last night on Broadway), it was nice to have the opportunity to give something back. (3 things, actually.) And, TCB, you can't possibly need any more clues. The song we did was the title song from a Broadway musical she did the film version of many years ago. The song was not hers in the film, but belonged to her somewhat-recently-departed co-star. And this was for an upcoming memorial for the somewhat-recently-departed co-star.

Randy Newman is one of the few pop songwriters who write with wit and characterization. Hard to name anybody quite like him, in fact. Back to work.

Posted by Noel @ 08/27/2003 01:22 PM PST

DR Dave:

What about "The King and I," or "Carousel"? I think both far exceed their stage presentations.

As for "Cabaret", you were hoping for as literal a transition as possible.

Fosse, obviously had other things in mind and, except for the "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" number, kept all music on stage.

I'd love to have a movie version of the stage musical.

But I LOVE the movie "Cabaret" as it is, with no regrets, because it's not "meant" to be a film version of the stage musical. It's a film version of "I Am A Camera" with music from the stage musical.

I know that means nothing in the context of things for you, but I hope you can understand why some theater lovers DO love the film version of "Cabaret" despite the vast cuts made to the show.

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/27/2003 01:24 PM PST

Welcome, Nick!

Hapgood:
I love the score to Titanic, and I think you put it very well. Nine, I am not crazy about. Phantom has some good songs. Overall, I think his music is lush and interesting.

Posted by Joy @ 08/27/2003 01:26 PM PST

Ron, I think that CAROUSEL and KING AND I both match their stage versions, but don't exceed them. The film of THE SOUND OF MUSIC is so far superior to the stage version that subsequent stagings will forever suffer by comparison.

I wouldn't say that I wanted "as literal a translation as possible" of CABARET. In fact, I saw the film first, and disliked it intensely. I was told by many friends that I should give the stage version a chance, so I finally read it. Needless to say, I didn't even recognize it. I went to see it onstage (in a decidedly amateurish production) and still preferred it to the film.

Whether one wants the show to be a literal adaptation of the stage version or not, one would expect that at least *some* of the show would end up in the film. With the exception of only a few songs, virtually none of it does. Why even retain the title?

I understand why others like it, just as I hope they can appreciate why I don't.

Posted by Dave @ 08/27/2003 01:36 PM PST

Good afternoon to one and all, I'm finally home from a long day at school and I'm very glad indeed. I had a sophmore class council meeting this morning, and it put me in a great mood, because we got a LOT done, but then the rest of the day was blah, so I'm kind of...blah...today too.

BUT I got a FANTASTIC email from DR Joy about "Embraceable You" that I sent her, and I said, as always, "Feedback is always welcomed", and don't you know she gave me TONS of fantastic feedback. I have a lot of stuff to think about now, which is a good thing, and I can't wait to finish homework so I can start! So props to Joy for her amazing ideas and advice :)

A big welcome to new DR Nick714, who now has the privelege of doing...*bum bum bummmm* Roll Call! Just some information about yourself, relative age, location, occupation, interests, hobbies, etc.

Ask BK: I asked this yesterday, and only Panni answered, so I'll ask again. What was the one most happy moment of your life? The moment that you felt as though you were walking on air, on cloud nine (not cloud ten, Benjamin)?

-This goes for other DR's as well :)-

Posted by Sarah @ 08/27/2003 01:39 PM PST

I also want to talk about Sweet Charity, but the DVD release.

Still learning about the widescreen world of home theater.

I am curious why are there more black on the bars on top and bottom of the alternate ending than there are in the complete film. Weren't they both shot in the same scope? If this is the case why the difference?

Some R & H releated questions:

The other day BK mentioned they are re-releaseing Carousel on DVD. I already have it on its most recent release. Is this version taken from Cinemascope 55 version or the original version?

Does anyone know if the missing scenes and songs from the King and I and Carousel still exists?

The road show version of South Pacific was 171 minutes and they cut 20 minutes out for the general release. The version on video is 151 minutes. What would they have cut out? All the songs are there. All the major scenes. What could they do to extend this by another 20 minutes.

Which version of Oklahoma do you perfer? The TODD-AO version or the cinemascope version. (Taking into account performances and camera quality)

Posted by Michael @ 08/27/2003 01:40 PM PST

Nick,

I have all of the CDs you mention, and think that Maury Yeston is very under-rated. NINE and TITANIC are wonderful, and PHANTOM has it's share of lovely material, too. I hope that someone will eventually get around to recording the rest of "1-2-3-4-5". He also wrote some terrific material for GRAND HOTEL.

If you enjoy the CD of NINE, you must get the revival recording of this score. If you can get past M. Banderas' accent, the rest is wonderful!

When I was assistant directing TITANIC, I spoke to both Mr. Yeston and the late Peter Stone on the phone about their work on that show, and they were both extremely gracious and accomodating.

Posted by Dave @ 08/27/2003 01:41 PM PST

Joe Cocker's version of "You Can Leave Your Hat On" was a MAJOR hit here in OZ. As coincidence would have, you will have a copy soon BK! For the crytically inclined "Beware Of The Naked Man".
Favourite versions of "I Think It's Gonna Rain Today" - Dusty Springfield and Bobby Darin.
(Please nore DR Ron - spelling of "Favourite").

Posted by Tom from Oz @ 08/27/2003 01:41 PM PST

And of course well Mr. DR Nick714. Hope you enjoy yourself here.

Posted by Michael @ 08/27/2003 01:41 PM PST

And of course welcome Mr. DR Nick714. Hope you enjoy yourself here. Tell your friends.

Posted by Michael @ 08/27/2003 01:42 PM PST

Welcome to all those new DRs and welcome back TCB. (Hope TCB is coping with the Naked Man too).
As always at this time - I shall now think about breakfast!

Posted by Tom from Oz @ 08/27/2003 01:42 PM PST

I don't know if I have a one
happiest moment, but
something that would certainly
come close was the feeling I
had the day I wrote the final
sentence of Benjamin Kritzer -
the sense of accomplishment
I felt I'd never felt before.

The Todd-AO version of
Oklahoma! is better - all the
takes used in that one were
done first - prior to redoing
them for the Cinemascope
version. They are fresher and
more spontaneous, and the
camerawork is better in Todd
AO.

Glad there are many others
here who feel as I do about Mr.
Randy Newman. He's a
one-off writer - no one writes
quite like him - his ideas are
interesting, his musicality is
supberb, as is his
orchestration ability, and his
lyrics are always interesting
and unique. And that is my
opinion and I do, of course,
realize that others do not
necessarily share it. I would
be interested to know from
dear reader Dave if he's heard
any of Mr. Newman's classic
early recordings such as his
first four albums.

It has always been said that
You're So Vain was about Mr.
Beatty.

Swishy Sarah: I enjoyed
Embraceable You, but I'll bet
that any comment I have would
be similar to those of Joy.
They all have to do with
interpretation, not your singing
voice, which is excellent. But,
that's the fun part - interpreting.
Figuring out what the song
means to you and how best to
convey that meaning to the
LISTENER. Remember, all
we have is your voice, we can't
see you. It's all about the
words - and every line of that
song means something
different than every other line -
it's also fun to color words
differently, or caress words if
it's a song like Embraceable
You, or to phrase in an
interesting way. It's the way I
always work with singers -
also, sometimes it's fun to put
an image in your head. I
remember Twiggy was doing
A Nightingale Sang in Berekely
Square and the song was just
sitting there, everything she
was doing was the same, and
it was too blatant. I went in
and told her to imagine she
was singing the song as if she
were dancing with her
husband on a starry night,
closely. She nailed the thing
in one take after that, and you
can hear AND see what she's
conveying in her performance.

I love that process. Another
specific thing I remember
saying to Michele Pawk when
we were recording It Wasn't
Meant to Happen - she did a
take and we listened and it
was too loud and the emotion
of it wasn't coming across. I
said to her, "I think this is a
woman who was just hit in the
stomach really hard, and she's
having trouble breathing,
emotionally-speaking" Again,
she nailed it immediately. She
was able to take that, make it
her own, and interpret that lyric
in a way that was magical.
And that's what I love about
singing and that's what I love
about songs.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 02:11 PM PST

Welcome, newbies.

Posted by The Den Mother @ 08/27/2003 02:14 PM PST

Welcome back, DR TCB. I was beginning to think you were MIA.

Posted by Susan @ 08/27/2003 02:18 PM PST

Ah, yes...I forgot about Grand Hotel. I like that one, too, but not as much as Titanic.

DR Sarah, you are most welcome for the feedbag...er, back. I have been thinking about starting to coach young singers recently and you have boosted my confidence, so thank you!

The happiest, cloud nine-est moment of my life...well, let's see...I think that would have to be the day after I got engaged. It was during the My Fair Lady tour. Of course, the engagement itself was very sweet and special, but it didn't sink in until the next day when I got to the theatre. I got there early and was sitting in the dressing room pinning my pin curls with my left hand strategically facing toward the door, when the rest of the cast arrived on the bus. The first one in was my dear friend Tara, who saw the ring in about 12 seconds and started screaming and jumping up and down and making a lovely racket. Then everyone else started coming in and doing the same thing (including the boys), and it was a lovely commotion. Then we had sound check, in which we all had to speak individually with our body mikes on and also do part of a group number together so that Matt, the (most excellent) sound guy, could adjust the levels. Everyone said things about the engagement in their individual sound checks; and then for the group thing we did part of "I'm Getting Married in the Morning", and of course everyone sang "Joy's Getting Married in the Morning". During the show, many of the ad-libs that night were filled with happy congratulations to "Dirty Gertie" (my ensemble character) on her impending nuptials. And during the Ascot number, I wore my new diamond ring outside of my glove.

It wasn't easy to surrender that thing to the valuables box every night.

Posted by Joy @ 08/27/2003 02:24 PM PST

BK - Great stories about recording sessions! Sounds like you really have a talent for coaching singers in that area. It all sounds like such a dream job to me. I really think I could LIVE in a recording studio. I did a recording for a cast album once for some friends, and we worked all day and into the night on a bunch of incredibly difficult and tricky songs that I had literally JUST learned, blending me into the ensemble, patching me into the holes, etc., and it was such intense work and took so much concentration; at the end of the day I should have been exhausted, but I felt so high I could have flown back to West Hollywood from Burbank (although I probably would have gotten caught in the high-tension wires). That was another highlight of my life, come to think of it.

Posted by Joy @ 08/27/2003 02:32 PM PST

Joy--what a wonderful story! Can you still relate to singing Adelaide's Lament though, lol?

Jrand--thanks for the Roz Russell thoughts. I have to say though I don't entirely agree about Merman in TNBLSB. I mean acting-wise it was not an Oscar-worthy performance but I saw in it indications of what was to come. She stretched out as an actress in that film and while there were weak moments, I also felt very affected by her performance in parts. The film was made in about 1953, right? So she still had 6 years or so to build herself into a dramatic actress that shocked and impressed the world.

I can't even think of my happiest moment, because there have been a few. And there are different kinds of happiness to..there's creative fulfillment, romantic elation, adrenaline-charged excitement, etc, etc, etc.

BK--did you miss my question? :( I asked who you'd like to see as Mame and Vera in the upcoming Mame revival? I think Michele Pawk would be a phenomenal Mame, don't you?

Well, off to do homework. Let the misery begin, lol...

Posted by Maya @ 08/27/2003 02:38 PM PST

Well, for six years I DID live in
the studio. Every day
practically, working with the
best of the best. And everyone
is different - the approach I
use for one person would not
necessarily work with another
- some people respond to
visual imagery, some to
specific ways to color lines,
some to more general things.
They know I'm there
LISTENING, not WATCHING.
Sometimes, with cast albums,
I will have to go redirect the
performance so that what
they're doing works for the ear
the same way it worked in the
theater. I remember working
with Liz Larsen on Little by
Little by my pal Brad Ross.
She was doing a number and I
felt it wasn't coming across, so
I went out into the studio and
we both sat on the floor and I
said, "What are you trying to
say to me - what is the
emotion your trying to convey."
And she said, I think, "Aloof or
cold." And I said, "Great, then
create that distance in your
voice vocally." Now, I couldn't
tell her in a million years how
to DO it, but being the superb
actress and singer that she is,
she DID it. And you could hear
it instantly.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 02:39 PM PST

Michael, the alternate footage on SWEET CHARITY is not anamorphically encoded, so that's why the letterbox bars appear larger. Remember, anamorphic doubles the scan lines of the picture and thus lessens the bars.

In honor of 666 BK Day, what is your favorite horror movie? You may make only ONE selection.

Posted by Matt H. @ 08/27/2003 02:40 PM PST

Stage Mames: Michele would
certainly be excellent. I should
think Patti LuPone would be
fun, too.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 02:41 PM PST

To join the Randy Newman debate... I love his songs, his humor, his irony, his sometimes unexpected romanticism (see/hear "Marie" on our own Guy Haines' stellar album). A couple of years ago a friend of mine who gets free charity "cancer seats" to events (he has thyroid cancer and has been living with it for years) invited me literally at the last minute to see R. N in Denver. I was thrilled, never having seen him perform live. The evening was a major disappointment, I'm afraid. Either the altitude got to Mr. Randy N. or he just didn't want to be there, but "phoning it in" would be high praise. We left at intermission. Other than that, Randy's my man.
Question for bk and anyone else who cares to answer: Do you think talent is genetic? Look at all the Newmans! On the other hand, some very talented people have kids who are total loxes (and vice versa).

Posted by Panni @ 08/27/2003 02:41 PM PST

Joy--what a wonderful story! Can you still relate to singing Adelaide's Lament though, lol?

Jrand--thanks for the Roz Russell thoughts. I have to say though I don't entirely agree about Merman in TNBLSB. I mean acting-wise it was not an Oscar-worthy performance but I saw in it indications of what was to come. She stretched out as an actress in that film and while there were weak moments, I also felt very affected by her performance in parts. The film was made in about 1953, right? So she still had 6 years or so to build herself into a dramatic actress that shocked and impressed the world.

I can't even think of my happiest moment, because there have been a few. And there are different kinds of happiness to..there's creative fulfillment, romantic elation, adrenaline-charged excitement, etc, etc, etc.

BK--did you miss my question? :( I asked who you'd like to see as Mame and Vera in the upcoming Mame revival? I think Michele Pawk would be a phenomenal Mame, don't you?

Well, off to do homework. Let the misery begin, lol...

Posted by Maya @ 08/27/2003 02:42 PM PST

You know, it's probably a
long-shot, but I'm thinkin' we
just might reach 100 posts.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 02:43 PM PST

OOPS!

Sorry for that weird double post! This is what happens when you run on five hours of sleep, hehe.

BK--I agree that Patti would also be an excellent Mame!

Posted by Maya @ 08/27/2003 02:43 PM PST

OOPS!

Sorry for that weird double post! This is what happens when you run on five hours of sleep, hehe.

BK--I agree that Patti would also be an excellent Mame!

Posted by Maya @ 08/27/2003 02:44 PM PST

I don't know if I think talent is
genetic - I think it depends on
the atmosphere created when
the talent is growing up in the
formative years. In the case of
the Newman dynasty, it's pretty
amazing.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 02:45 PM PST

Maya is possessed today. I
thought of two more good
Maya nicknames: Cinco de
Maya, and Maya the Force Be
With YOu.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 02:46 PM PST

Ron - so true about Decca...the IMITATION OF LIFE and FLOWER DRUM SONG soundtracks are still brisk and sound as well as they can on my phonograph. BACK STREET is a nice one, too. And the colors on the covers!!!

Maya, true, Merman had a few years to improve her acting, and there are some moments in the TNBLSB that are okay....I'm just not sure. Rosalind Russell is just so beautiful...and Merman, well, she was Rose...but I might like her best onstage and on record/CD. Never got to see her do GYPSY...like I said the best I ever saw was Giselle McKenzie....but just as I am used to Merman on record, I am used to Russell onscreen, and habits are hard to break. LOL

What a great lot of interesting posts and posters!

Posted by Jrand53 @ 08/27/2003 02:47 PM PST

hahaha...well, it would make sense with this being the 666th post and all. If I notice any strange The Exorcist-like symptoms, then I will really begin to be worried! ;)

Okay...off to do my homework for real this time

Posted by Cinco de Maya @ 08/27/2003 02:48 PM PST

Oh golly, favorite horror film. That is really a tough one for me as I am a big fan or old horror films. Hmmm...I am tempted to choose an Allison Hayes horror film such as THE DISEMBODIED or THE HYPNOTIC EYE as I do enjoy both films, but I can't really say that either on is a favorite...the Boris Karloff version of THE MUMMY is also tops with me, and I never tire of watching the William Castle flick I SAW WHAT YOU DID, but I am not sure if that one is considered to be a horror film or just a thriller. The one horror film that I very much enjoy watching and that still sends shivers down me spine is NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD (the original)...So I will choose that film...although there are many that I love..

...oh, I almost forgot Allison Hayes' film THE UNDEAD...that is the one! THE UNDEAD is by far my favorite horror film!!!

Posted by MBarnum @ 08/27/2003 03:04 PM PST

Agh bad, bad memories of NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD. My brother, who was a very evil child, and loved to torture me by making me watch horror films when I was a lot younger. Don't ask me why I didn't run, I think I was too scared. But yes, he proceeded in showing me The Exorcist, The Shining, all of the Scream movies (he had the mask to match *shudder*), and, the most memorable, Night of the Living Dead. When they have the mummies and the flying body parts and ugh. Nightmares for weeks.

Posted by Sarah @ 08/27/2003 03:17 PM PST

Speaking of Decca - I read about Betty Comden going into Tower Records and asking the clerk for Wonderful Town. He looked puzzled, so she said: "Decca." He asked her, "Is that a group?"

And speaking of Wonderful Town (with the sensational Rosalind Russell), this is really f'fetched, but how about, "Maya, Maya, Maya, Did I Ever Leave Ohia?"

Posted by Dan-in-Toronto @ 08/27/2003 03:28 PM PST

LOL Dan. Sounds like when Nat King Cole called his record company and the receptionist answered the phone "Capitol Records, Home of the Beatles!" He slammed the phone down and changed labels...LOL.

Yes, MBarnum, THE UNDEAD is a honey! I will go with THE TINGLER, PSYCHO, and HOMICIDAL though...all, unfortunately sans Allison.

Posted by Jrand53 @ 08/27/2003 03:47 PM PST

As a little kid I could never get past the beginning of the TINGLER where it shows all the faces on the screen screaming! Scared the bejeebers out of me. So I never saw the whole movie until I was an adult.

Posted by MBarnum @ 08/27/2003 04:09 PM PST

Much earlier in today's unseemly comments, Stephen Schwartz's Reluctant Pilgrim solo album was mentioned. I just have to say that I have thoroughly enjoyed that album for quite some time, particularly the wry "Crowded Island" and the heartbreaking "Life Goes On." Like Randy Newman, many of his best songs contain the element of surprise, remaining fresh even after a few (dozen) listenings. My only quibble about the disc is that it was self-produced as well. I think Schwartz would have been better served if he had let someone else produce the album. (I have a personal choice as to who that producer should have been, but the choice is so obvious that I won't embarass him here.)

Posted by S. Woody White @ 08/27/2003 04:19 PM PST

THE HAUNTING (the original) is beyond frightening. And to think the same director did THE SOUND OF MUSIC! ..."How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria?" -- Chop off her head!

Posted by Panni @ 08/27/2003 04:22 PM PST

Panni, LOL!

Posted by MBarnum @ 08/27/2003 04:25 PM PST

I really like this...this...stream of consciousness thing that's going on here!

Of course, if you didn't read all the posts every day, you'd be in SO much trouble!

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/27/2003 04:31 PM PST

Don't Hate Me!

If Maya and Panni were growers of exotic fruits, you could stop at their roadside stand and buy Maya's Papayas and Anna's Bananas -- and if they were to join up with Pee Wee Herman, you might also find Pee Wee's Kiwis

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/27/2003 04:35 PM PST

Don't Hate Me, Part Deux!

If Sarah were to make candy and sell it in a roadside stand, would she advertise her candy as Swishy's Sweets?

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/27/2003 04:41 PM PST

I had forgotten all about "The Tingler". I saw it a Drive-In when I was in my late teens. "The Innocents" still rates #1 with me.

Posted by Tom from Oz @ 08/27/2003 04:43 PM PST

Oy vey! even td is confuse, slightly, by this stream of consciousness.. .Is Virginia Woolf being channeled by all the dear readers?
To the lighthouse, I say, with Orlando and Mrs. Dalloway we shall go!
I THINK that Michael's question was answered, and that answer is, the non-anamorphic tendency of some studios (Universal, for instance) of being incosistent with their anamorphic encoding of "Special Features." I could be wrong, but, I beleive that all of the "Special Features" on New Line's LotR:THE TWO TOWERS are all anamorphically presented.

As for the film of CABARET, count me in on the nay-sayers. But my reason is different: I like the non-musical, dramatic parts better than the Kit Kat Club or the heaven-help-us-Fosse-does-Spileberg-manipulative "Tomorrow Belongs to Me." Minnelli's Bowles is quite problematic, IMHO, and often seems that she's doing an impression of L-I-Z-A! And this is one that I saw when it first came out. As an album, the film works fine.

Posted by td @ 08/27/2003 04:50 PM PST

Back to the Stephen Schwartz topic: I love the song penned for Philip Quast on "Uncharted Territory" and on Quast's album "Face Of A Stranger".
With the 666 references today it would be appropriate to say how much I enjoy Newman's "Faust" and songs such as "Feels Like Home". The Linda Ronstadt version is even better than the concept recording.

Posted by Tom from Oz @ 08/27/2003 04:52 PM PST

Back to the spelling for Dr Ron.

Qantas and Quast and of course Oztralia should be added to your list. I still use "programme" and of course "colour". I have never understood the Americanisms such as "Write me" (write to me) and "I don't know from"!

Posted by Tom from Oz @ 08/27/2003 04:57 PM PST

I am of course alluding to DR Ron the Dr of Literature (and spelling).

Posted by Tom from Oz @ 08/27/2003 04:59 PM PST

New Juliana pictures are up! And one of my friend Lizzie with Juliana! I love Lizzie :)

She is VERY potogenic...I love the one of her with the Millie wig. Wah I can't wait to see it!

Posted by Sarah @ 08/27/2003 05:08 PM PST

Sarah! You are far too fast.. I just uploaded those and was about to post my post of posts!

LADIES AND GENTS OF HHW.... Please take a moment to MARVEL at the latest entry in Juliana's Journal. Lots of pictures from backstage, family and friends!

Posted by Craig @ 08/27/2003 05:12 PM PST

Sorry Craig! It's alright anyway, because I called her potogenic. What the HELL is potogenic? You surely know I meant to say "photogenic".

Posted by Sarah @ 08/27/2003 05:14 PM PST

actually.. I thought she needed a mask and a candelabra because you were saying she was "Phantom of the Opera" - genic

Posted by Craig @ 08/27/2003 05:15 PM PST

Greetings, Dear Readers. I have been a tad e & t today, as I started the day on my dentist's chair (I was there for three hours) and though I am not in pain, the experience has taken quite a bit out of me, energy-wise.

Welcome to new Dear Reader Nick.

My question for BK and all Dear Readers: Do you cry at movies? If so, which is your favorite multi-Kleenex picture? Is there one particular moment from a particular film that gets your waterworks going in a big way, guaranteed?

Posted by Jay @ 08/27/2003 05:36 PM PST

WOW..... What an interesting post day...very free form, very Yule Ulue !

Answers to a few questions... Scariest horror film on first viewing....Rosemary's Baby, or When A Stranger Calls. Scariest Sci-Fi movie, when I was very young at saturday matinees...War Of The Worlds....I kept my eyes covered through so much of it, that it was years later before I saw the entire film.

DR Nik714 -- Please be a good new poster, and post a "roll call" here for all of us. It is your bio, and background, and who you are. And welcome!!

DR MBarnum -- My grandmother had the greatest expression, which she used in a myriad of situations. It was this: "oh honey, dont put that in your mouth (or "pick that up" or "touch that"), you don't know where it's been!" This was always delivered with great drama.......and thinking back to it in many adult situations, it becomes funny and risque and bizarre. My grandmother was a great and memorable lady, and she started my music lessons for me at a very early age.

DR Jrand -- Right place/right time? Easy...going to "Cast Party" at the King Kong Room in Manhattan recently, and ending up 3 feet from Liza Minelli, singing Kerry's favorite Harold Arlen song. WOW !!

DR Laura -- Well, at the moment Laura is helping DR Kerry do some technical non-profit paperwork, and I'm making dinner. Tonight is lobster & corn chowder for soup; my own brisket with mashed potatoes, and julienne green beans with almonds and bacon. Desert is Godiva ice cream bars. BTW, my brisket may be goyem, but it ain't trafe!

And finally, no I don't think talent is genetic; I think it does come from (fill in the blank...spirit, karma, power above, buddha, whatever floats your boat), and I think it is brought forth and developed and nurtured by environment and human influences.

Posted by MusicGuy @ 08/27/2003 05:52 PM PST

DR Jay -- I'm almost afraid to post this here, because I have deduced that I'm definitely in a small minority around here, when it comes to this film. But one of my all-time Kleenex moments in a film, actually about 3 different places, is in "E.T." . It just reduces me to a puddle.

Posted by MusicGuy @ 08/27/2003 05:57 PM PST

DR Jay: My sobfest movies would have to be "Terms of Endearment", "Stepmom", pretty much any movie where a mother is dying. For reasons I don't feel like explaining here, that movie "subject" is hard to watch without crying a bit.

And one that might make you laugh would be Disney's "The Fox and the Hound", when the old lady leaves the fox in the woods. It's a very deep moment for a kids movie!

Posted by Sarah @ 08/27/2003 06:16 PM PST

Sarah - who's laughing? I remember having to leave THE FOX AND THE HOUND with my weeping daughter. To this day she refuses to see it, even on video.

Posted by Panni @ 08/27/2003 06:37 PM PST

Don't be shy. I'll "come out" and admit that I cry at the movies all the time, for the most mundane things. (It must be genetic. My mother tells me that my grandfather would cry at Shirley Temple movies.) Most recently, I cried when Seabiscuit won its comeback race. I cry when Mammy and Melanie walk up the stairs, near the end of "Gone With the Wind." I cry when Margo announces that she WILL NOT appear in Bill Sampson's new play in "All About Eve." It's not a movie, and I've seen it a thousand times, but I cry at the end of "La Boheme" when Rudolpho calls out "Mimi! Mimi!" Crimeny, I cry at supermarket openings.

Posted by Jay @ 08/27/2003 06:42 PM PST

Actually, "La Boheme" exists on video -- you can get Zeffirelli's on VHS (dunno about DVD), and Baz Luhrmann's original Oz version circa 1992 is available on DVD and BREAK OUT THOSE TISSUES because it leaves me wrenched and inconsolable.

Which DR Ron is a Dr of literature and spelling? Having had an illustrious career as a journalist, spelling and grammar were my bread and butter.

Egads! Can it be? Will our dear, dear François return to us with a post tomorrow????

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/27/2003 06:49 PM PST

Cry at movies? You bet. OLD YELLER - the ending, of course. THE PAWNBROKER - all over the place. SINGING IN THE RAIN - When Gene Kelly splashes down the street -- first the shivers, then the tears. THE HOURS - the boy running after his mother as she drives away. In fact, almost any movie in which a child is deserted by a parent. One of mine, MISS ROSE WHITE - I know it's stupid to cry at your own work (unless it's really bad) - but even though I've seen it many times, when Amanda Plummer reveals her mother's last words were in the camps, "You are my child, I will not abandon you!"and then accuses her father of deserting her (see above) I always cry and am REALLY embarrassed if it's at a screening where I'm supposed to speak about the film.

Posted by Panni @ 08/27/2003 06:58 PM PST

Just checked out the new Juliana pictures! That girl is so pretty and looks great in the Millie wig! I can't wait to hear about when she goes on for the first time....

Thanks to all who have dubbed me with new nicknames! I think I have about a full page of em now!

As for DR questions--

Scariest movies--Poltergeist, The Exorcist, The Ring

Do I cry at movies? Oh, heck, yeah! I think the last movie I cried seeing was Breakfast at Tiffany's, and before that I cried when I saw Camp even! I will cry at anything dramatic and well-acted enough.

DR Ron--are you going to open your own fruit shop? Or maybe a seafood chain...Ron's Prawns ;)

Well, I'm going to try and enjoy the little free time I have today before I have to go and read like 50 pages of Anne Bradstreet poems for American lit...ugh, I miss the summer already....

Posted by Maya @ 08/27/2003 07:00 PM PST

Jay - I cried at Seabiscuit, too.

Posted by Panni @ 08/27/2003 07:00 PM PST

DR PANNI:

What was your involvement with the tv film Miss Rose White aka A Shayna Maidel

Posted by Michael @ 08/27/2003 07:19 PM PST

I wrote the screenplay, Michael.

Posted by Panni @ 08/27/2003 07:23 PM PST

Heck, I cry during BOTH of the LORD OF THE RINGS movies! I cried last night watching THE TWO TOWERS. Frodo makes me cry. Aragon's bravery makes me cry. The Ents joining the fray makes me cry. Howard Shore's score bringson the goosepimples and the shivers and the tears when combined with Peter Jackson's visions.

I cry when I hear "We'll Have Tomorrow," speaking of Maury Yeston. Watching Michael Jeter and the incrdible handsome Mr. B. performing "We'll Take a Glass Together" moves me to tears of joy (which are never to be confused with DR Joy).

Yeah, GONE WITH THE WIND does it for me too.
IMITATION OF LIFE, though, watch out! Buckets of tears! Oh! A Bob Dylan reference!

When Liat and Nellie hug in SOUTH PACIFIC, I lose all emotional control.

THE YEARLING, OLD YELLER. . .watch out. Anything with adorable animals which must be put down . . .

FAVORITE HORROR MOVIES:
THE BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN
THE OLD DARK HOUSE
THE BLACK CAT (1939, iirc)
THE HAUNTING (the original of course).
THE INNOCENTS
MOULIN ROUGE

Posted by td @ 08/27/2003 07:31 PM PST

I have been known to shed a tear at a movie - two that never fail to get to me are The Miracle Worker and To Kill a Mockingbird.

Posted by bk @ 08/27/2003 07:38 PM PST

Some movies (real oldies) that bring me to tears are A CHILD IS BORN, SYMPHONY OF 6 MILLION, IMITATION OF LIFE, and (not quite as old) THE CHILDREN'S HOUR. Whenever I feel like a good cry I put one of those films in.

I have also cried at more then a few episodes of LASSIE, ADAM-12, and even a few commericials! LOL!

Posted by MBarnum @ 08/27/2003 08:17 PM PST

Yes, I have cried at many a movie: Gone with the Wind, West Side Story, Titanic, and Romeo and Juliet are but a few. When I saw Romeo and Juliet for the first time, I was in Japan, where the Japanese are known to conceal their emotions. So there we were, a theater-full of Japanese young people and me, watching Juliet's death scene unfold, and I am bawling like a baby. Then, I suddenly became aware of the fact that, other than the movie's very moving soundtrack, my loud, watery sobs are all that can be heard in the entire theater. So I wonder to myself, were the Japanese unaffected by such a tear-jerking story? Do they conceal their emotions so well that that they cannot cry in public, even while watching Romeo and Juliet? I look around me and find my answer. The Japanese audience was indeed moved to tears, but they made no noise when they cried. (It would be so unseemly to sob out loud.) In time, as my stay in Japan grew longer, I, too, learned to master the art of silent crying, or crying silently. It is an interesting talent to have, indeed, although I'm not sure it would have a place on my resume.

Posted by Susan @ 08/27/2003 08:27 PM PST

My favorite horror movie is ROSEMARY'S BABY. It's frightening without gore and slasher effects. And PSYCHO is a masterpiece, too.

I cry very easily at movies. I can cry at Garland's last line to Auntie Em in THE WIZARD OF OZ, but certainly STEEL MAGNOLIAS and TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD can do it to me every time.

Posted by Matt H. @ 08/27/2003 09:13 PM PST

My Colin would think it was a "Miracle Worker" that could get me to cry in movies!

As mentioned oft "Carousel" always manages the impossible as does "Death In Venice".

"Steel Magnolias" is a joke in this house. We both loathe the movie.

To be fair I don't often laugh at movies either. "A Mighty Wind" was an exception.

Lest you think me non caring and cold let it be known that I am so "moved" emotionally at times that my stomache becomes knotted - The LOTR movies (no matter how many viewings) really hit home.
And yes I do cry in the real world. The last few years have certainly seen to that - as have the last couple of months!

"Rosemary's Baby" was fine until the last few minutes - the inverted cross and the mention of the tail were just plain silly and at odds with rest of the movie (IMHO).

I think I may well have asked before "Are there any Clive Barker fans at HHW?" There is a writer who knows his craft very well indeed.

Posted by Tom from Oz @ 08/27/2003 09:28 PM PST

We'll have to agree to disagree on "Steel Magnolias", DR Tom From Oz. LOVE IT! LOVE IT! LOVE IT!

Movies that make me weep:

"While You Were Sleeping" -- I'm a sucker for this romantic comedy. It's the first and last time Sandra Bullock was really really wonderful as the star of a film. Bill Pullman is right up there with her as the brother of the man she thinks she loves. I can watch this film again and again and again.

"Sleepless in Seattle" -- Any film that can reference "An Affair to Remember" in a joky way AND be reverential toward it HAS to be a weeper.

The first four "Rocky" movies...each in its own way starts me up.

"Goodbye, Mr. Chips"..."The Sound of Music"..."Finian's Rainbow"..."FUNNY GIRL"..."Oliver!"..."Fiddler on the Roof"...are guaranteed to get the tears flowing.

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/27/2003 11:34 PM PST

Thought I might get a reaction from Dr Ron - and he knows what I think about "Beaches" too!
Thank goodness we all have different tastes. Otherwise we would be all watching Adam Sandler movies.

Can't remember whether it will be tomorrow or next week for the return of M François. I miss him.

Posted by Tom from Oz @ 08/27/2003 11:41 PM PST

Or, Jim Carrey movies (heaven forfend!).

Posted by Ron Pulliam @ 08/27/2003 11:46 PM PST

Oh my. DRs Kerry and MusicGuy fed me very well and didn't even make me work hard at all. I will have to eat nothing but lettuce all next month to make up for tonight! And it will be worth it!

Posted by Laura @ 08/28/2003 12:04 AM PST

My goodness, what a variety of
topics being flung about here
today! To add in my thoughts
on a few topics...

Add me to the list of those who
like Randy Newman (what I do
know of his stuff, which is
admittedly little)

Not a horror film guy at all

As for crying at movies, it's a
very rare thing for me, but
Sophie's Choice will
usually get me. During my
kidhood (middle school, I think
it was, maybe late elementary)
I remember crying at My
Girl. An occasional
episode of M*A*S*H
will get a bit of a sniffle, too.

I'll probably be somewhat E&T
over the next few days as I
shall be busy moving. But I
will most surely be reading,
and hopefully making an
occasional post.

Posted by Jed @ 08/28/2003 01:11 AM PST

Good Evening! -Well, it's evening here where I am...

What a day! We had a very good turnout today for the singers' audition, and we heard some real good talent - and called back quite a few people - I think the HR people are still doing the interviews right now, and I left the venue about an hour ago.

Today we could tell it was winter here in Melbourne. Very much a chill in the air, but, as they say here... "No worries..."

I started exploring the hotel/entertainment/restaurant complex that I'm staying in while I'm in Melbourne. It's the Crown Towers - WOW!!!!! There's a humongous casino; at least ten major restaurants; a full, upscale shopping arcade; a 24-hour movie multiplex, and much, much more. The atrium "features" a light and water/fountain show that depicts the four seasons - it has all these "chandelier" type crystals hanging from the ceiling, as well as full lighting equipment and some laser equipment too (I think). I'm going to have to sit on the stairs one day before I leave and watch the whole "show". And the sound system ain't bad either!

Well, my eyes are still spinning from looking at all those people, and all that music today... and I need to get to Chinatown to pick up a small snack...

*I will say that even though I've only been here for not even two days, Melbourne truly has some wonderful places to eat. Many cuisines, many price ranges.. and all of it delicious. -The small cakes and pastries we had today... YUM! -I just need to make sure I eat some NON-carbs sometime today. ;-)

-Oh, and as for the toilet question.. I had hoped to see if the water goes the other too, but all the toilets I've come across so far use a "full flush" - the water doesn't really have a chance to start spinning, so... But even the flushing I'm seeing it very neat - quite the efficient flush!

My best to all of you... until tomorrow night...

Posted by Jose C. Simbulan @ 08/28/2003 01:56 AM PST

I hope we can keep Jose away from our toilet bowl on Saturday night! Surely my home town can provide more captivating entertainment.

Posted by Tom from Oz @ 08/28/2003 02:30 AM PST

Lots of the movies mentioned can make me cry:

IMITATION OF LIFE
BACK STREET
MADAME X

And I always cry at the I LOVE LUCY episode when Lucy tells Ricky they are having a baby and he sings her that song.

THE MIRACLE WORKER of course.

Posted by Jrand53 @ 08/28/2003 03:48 AM PST

Dear Reader Warren Beaty:

His name is Mike Jagger.

Posted by Mic Wallace @ 08/28/2003 04:03 AM PST

My Joe tells me that "You're So Vain" is about James Taylor.

Actually, I prob'ly think the song is about me.

Posted by William F. Orr @ 08/28/2003 04:05 AM PST

CLOTHING CAAAAALL!

At the moment, the purple swishy shorts, and a red teeshirt with Clifford the Big Red Dog on it that says "Clifford....he's a VERY cool dog" and Clifford is winking. Makes me feel like a 5 year old, but it looks good on me.

Soon to be wearing black jeans with a white tanktop and a green sweatshirt. And the pretty boots.

Posted by Sarah @ 08/28/2003 04:09 AM PST

Ron: While You Were Sleeping does it for me, too. There were a few moments in Miss Congeniality that choked me up. On the other hand, I saw Ya Ya Sisterhood on a plane and practically woofed.

I need a tissue (or a sleeve) for An Affair To Remember. Philadelphia and Longtime Companion also got me going.

Steel Magnolias (which for me is in the Ya Ya genre) moves my partner, Gord, to tears every time he sees it (and nobody's counting anymore). We have a neighbor whose company gets lots of DVDs, and every time there's a chick flick, he brings it home for Gord - the same guy who can watch The Evil That Men Do without flinching.

Posted by Dan-in-Toronto @ 08/28/2003 05:17 AM PST

Well, whenever we watched a slightly sentimental movie on TV, I was the one who turned to my mother and mocked her tears.

Now I receive the penalty of my childhood sins. I cry, boy do I cry, at a huge variety of films, good, bad, indifferent.

I'm a puddle of tears at the end of The Graduate, even though my rational mind is saying, "No job, no home, he just abandonned his car, and she's married to another man. Where the hell are they going on that bus?" But the tears pour out.

Last evening, I was finishing up the dishes during the first scene of the Enterprise rerun. When I came back to the couch, Joe asked, "Why are you crying? What's wrong?" "I was remembering the last scene of the show and getting a head start on my weeping."

I love to cry at weddings.(1) I adore cheap sentiment.(2) And I cry promptly Mondays at high noon.(3)

And at High Noon.

Has anyone noticed that Kimberly-Clark is sponsoring movies on TNN called "Kleenex Tear-Jerkers"?

Personally, I believe that a good cry, just like a good belly-laugh can have a positive physiological effect on the body and is quite healthy. Aristotle and "fear and pity" and catharsis and all that.

Oh, and DR Panni, I don't think it's wierd at all that you should cry during your own movies. You intended them to move the audience, didn't you? You invested your work with honest emotion, didn't you? And really, didn't you have a bit of a cry when you were writing those scenes?

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(1)Oh, a Sweet Charity reference!

(2)Oh, a The Boys in the Band reference!

(3)Oh, a Do I Hear a Waltz? reference!

Posted by William F. Orr @ 08/28/2003 05:39 AM PST

Oh. Oh! OH!!

DR Dan - yes, LONGTIME COMPANION. How could I forget?

"I want to be there...."

Posted by Jrand53 @ 08/28/2003 06:00 AM PST

I cried at Seabiscuit, too, when Tobey comes home with that huge cast on his leg and runs over to the horse and hugs him...I'm tearing up right now just thinking about it. And I, too, cried at LOTR Two Towers -- when Shadowfax comes running up the field in slomo. Just show me a horse, and it's Niagara Falls.

The other movie that I ALWAYS cry at EVERY SINGLE TIME, although I've seen it a hundred and thirty-seven times, is the Tim Robbins film Cradle Will Rock. When John Turturro stands up and says "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH" that is IT for me. And the Times Square fade at the end...ooh, shivers. That's my favorite movie, I think.

Posted by Joy @ 08/28/2003 06:55 AM PST

Well, I'll just keep posting away on the old notes until I see new ones go up...

Horror films:
I can't deal with House on Haunted Hill (the newer one). I know it's a stupid movie but I just can't take it. It freaks me the hell out. And when I was in Jr. High my dad and I watched Hellraiser and I couldn't sleep for days. I had to go get in bed with my dad.

This isn't really a horror film per se, but Cube freaked me out so bad that I had to fast forward through certain parts. The ending SUCKS, though, so it didn't make me lose sleep. Honestly, they couldn't come up with a better ending?

Posted by Joy @ 08/28/2003 07:10 AM PST

I must admit, I have never listened to Randy Newman's early albums, because I've never been able to endure his voice for more than a minute or so. That said, when I have heard his songs performed by others I have found them much more palatable.

I guess what I meant earlier is that I don't understand how he came to be a critic's darling. Not that I dislike him, but the songs that I have heard don't seem to warrant that sort of acclaim. His melodies are pleasant, but not exactly chock-full of invention. Maybe someone could post one of his better lyrics, so we could read it.

Posted by Dave @ 08/28/2003 07:13 AM PST

Oh, Cradle Will Rock! I love
that movie. I felt like I was living it
when we suddenly moved
Antigone.
The most recent time I cried at a
movie-when Michael's parents
weren't there for Romeo and
Juliet in Camp.
Clothing call-my current sleepwear:
licht long pants and an old t-shirt.
Best of all, the pants are plaid and
the shirt is striped. What would the Queer Eye boys say now?
And I disagree with those
underwhelmed by Nine-
several of the songs are just gold:
"Overture delle Donne" "My
Husband Makes Movies" "The Bells
of St. Sebastian's" (Gives me chills!)
"Unusual Way" "Waltz from Nine",
and there are many other songs I
also love.

Posted by Hapgood @ 08/28/2003 07:26 AM PST

Hmmmm....did someone turn off BK's alarm clock as a practical joke? Ah well, let's let him sleep in.

Posted by Joy @ 08/28/2003 07:45 AM PST