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Bruce
Kimmel: Hello, Donna Lynne Champlin, and welcome to
haineshisway.com. We are very excited to have you here and, in
fact, all our dear readers are dancing the Hora in anticipation
of this interview.
Donna
Lynne Champlin: Wow- dancing the Hora...Hahahahaaa well your
readers sound my kind of people- any excuse to dance the Hora,
man. I'm IN!
BK:
So, tell us a bit about where you grew up and how you got interested
in the show business.
DLC:
Well, I grew up in Rochester, NY which is upstate near Lake Ontario.
And I guess...as far as HOW I got "interested in the show
business"?... gosh----I honestly don't remember... probably
because I was most likely- from the womb- "interested in
the show business", I guess.
BK:
So, what was the first job you got in the show business that
you consider was the real beginning for you.
DLC:
Well- my FIRST job was "Gretl" in a community theatre
production of THE SOUND OF MUSIC at the age of like 6. Besides
being my first musical- it was also the first time I became aware
of my own comedy monster... Ya know at the end of SOUND OF MUSIC-
where all the kids are performing "so long, farewell..."
at the concert and then one by one as they leave the stage they
bolt the country to escape the nazi's? And it's all very serious
and scary cause the Nazi's are everywhere and it's a total life
or death moment? Well.....I for SOME reason and I can't even remember
WHY I did this...when I sang "Gooddbbyyyyyyeeeee-" or
whatever Gretl sings there...and I walked by a "Nazi"
on the way off the stage presumably out the door to Switzerland-and
made my voice do this...."yikes, it's a NAZI!" kind
of dip while I was singing- and got the HUGEST laugh ever. Of
course it was all wrong and completely inappropriate for the moment
for me to do this- and as a result, I got into MAJOR trouble from
the director (as well I should have)...and we had one more show
left in the run- So, the director had taken me to task but........I
got a LAUGH........uggghhhhh and it was so hard to even THINK
about giving that up.....i mean, the first laugh you get in your
life.......it's kinda like your first kiss in a way....a bit "swooney"--.at
least that's how I remember it. So- I remember walking into the
theatre with my Mom before the last show and saying..."what
should I do?". And my MOM -God bless her- said, "well,
it's up to you. It's your choice. I'm not making this decision
for you. The director has told you how to do it and why....but
ultimately it's your call." (hahaha I can hear directors
across the internet collectively shuddering at that)-- well, I
ended up choosing to do it correctly- no laugh. But I always look
back on that as my first major comedic experience. I felt the
rush of the laugh--- but somewhere, thank God I had the sense
to know when it was at the expense of the moment itself and in
the long run- NOT worth it. Of course, I needed a kick in the
ass to bring it to my attention- and still do occasionally- but
I look back on that moment as a sort of....."conception"
of my adventure to the land that is comedy.
In
between that point I went to a normal public high school and took
voice, piano, dance, flute lessons, etc. on the side. I also competed
A LOT in all those areas. Mostly for scholarship money cause cash
was a little tight back then for my family....so if I wanted to
study- I had to figure out a way to pay for it myself pretty much.
But it all worked out...as I got older I taught younger student
in those areas in exchange for lessons. Stuff like that.
I
got some financial help from grants and scholarships to go to
Carnegie Mellon University as a Music Theater major and then went
over to Oxford for a summer to study Shakespeare and Chekhov in
the UK for a little bit on another grant- which was fabulous and
then after 4 years of CMU, 3 summers seasons at the Pittsburgh
Civic Light Opera and about half a year's worth of regional gigs-
I moved to NYC the winter following graduation.
HOWEVER---
My FIRST "PROFESSIONAL" job- well- I COULD tell you
that it was when I played "Dorothy Gale" at the Pittsburgh
Civic Light Opera's production of THE WIZARD OF OZ and sound all
posh and impressive-but no. Actually, my first Equity gig was
in the ensemble of the PCLO in the chorus of our first show of
the summer season, CINDERELLA. You know when you're young and
in the ensemble-every line....every three word solo is like the
Holy Grail? Right? So when they were passing out the "chorus
characters" of the town for the "Prince is having a
ball!" number, we were all on pins and needles as to who
would get what, Now in the SCORE- you have "pretty girl #1,
pretty girl #2, pretty girl #3, rich girl, smart girl, pretty
girl #4...." . And I was a singer/dancer which usually meant....anything
in the SCORE was up for grabs to the singers FIRST (to make up
for the fact that during most numbers while the DANCER/singers
were kicking their faces down center- we were backstage on a mike-
or on a platform stage left ,step-touching or something). So...the
musical director is assigning the parts......"Sally will
be pretty girl #1, Beth will be pretty girl #2" etc.- and
he gave all the girls a part but me....THEN he moved onto the
guys...I was devastated. FINALLY he looked at me after EVERY ensemble
member had a part and said "Donna Lynne.......you'll be "sloppy
girl". Make it work."
So-
to make matters even WORSE...that I was making my professional
debut as "sloppy girl"-
my ONE line...my golden nugget of solo singing for the season
was-- "I WISH I DIDN'T LIKE TO EAT."
yeah.
I laugh at it NOW.
Little
did I know that it was only paving the way for me to play other
enviable roles in the theatre such as the planet "Uranus"
in the workshop of STARS IN YOUR EYES. Yeah. Uut of all the planets-
they give ME "Uranus". Yet another "ensemble part"
shake down. Actually, I had a blast making her the literal "butt
of the Milky Way"- but it was after a big gulp and a momentary
weep in the lady's room, I must admit.
BK:
Did you study when you hit New York - voice, acting, dance?
If so, with whom.
DLC:
Now in NYC I don't really study regularly with anyone. I have
a voice teacher (Luba Tcheresky) that I go to for tune ups every
once in a while- ya know...to get lined up and such. But for the
most part- my technique and training from CMU has really served
me well and allowed me to have a solid foundation to keep learning
and growing since graduating (knock wood). Plus....CMU's great
and I loved it--- but it's so intense that by the time you graduate----
you kind of never want to set foot inside another classroom again.
BK:
You've done lots of theater - what has been your favorite role
in a play?
DLC:
My favorite role in a play? ....well, I mean besides "Older
Helen" in HOLLYWOOD ARMS, right? Cause this role is pretty
damn fabulous. Uhmmm, "Fanny Squeers" in NICHOLAS NICKLEBY
I'd have to say. We did it senior year in college at CMU- and
it was such a huge undertaking that the faculty did it with us
playing the "older characters". So, not only did we
have the great opportunity to work BESIDE our teachers- but the
piece itself is just astounding. I was always amazed that-- even
tho it was over 8 hours long, I felt like I could do a run of
it for years.... the feeling of taking people on such an ADVENTURE....by
the end of it I always felt like applauding the audience for just
sticking with us-- ya know? It was so satisfying. I got to play
three different characters in that show- but my favorite was "Fanny".
She's just so disgusting, and evil at first glance--- "low
class".....bad taste....foul mouthed (literally AND figuratively).....but
I absolutely loved her because it was so fascinating to find reasons
to JUSTIFY all the "horrible" things she did in the
play.
But
most importantly I guess-- Fanny set me free in a way, At the
end of the show- she gets her "comeuppance" as it were,
well the whole family does actually----- her father is sent off
to prison, her brother is taken away, etc.- and even tho the audience
is thinking..."well good- you all deserved it, you disgusting
people"-- Fanny's life and everything she knows- is just
ruined.
Now all during school my big thing was..."I'm not a cryer-
I can't cry- I don't know how to do the crying thing...."
but, I tell ya- by the time we got to that moment where they ripped
us all apart from each other at the end of Part II---I used to
just WAIL- i mean, from the gut-- tears for days.......so.........something
in me just opened up- bam. Like...I'd been drilling for oil in
all the wrong places and Fanny finally came along and said..."HERE'S
the well- ya dope". God love her. Fanny was my "geyser"
part, I guess.
BK:
and your favorite in a musical?
DLC:
My favorite musical role.......hmmmmmmmmm. Man, it's a tough call
but I'll say "Rosa Bud" in THE MYSTERY OF EDWIN DROOD......"Rosa"
is just a kick in the pants cause not only does she get to be
adored and pampered and wear all the pretty clothes- but ya know...she
gets to wail out a nice high D for kicks during the duet with
Jasper....and THEN- of course...she usually gets picked for murderer
because she's the most 'unlikely' suspect. I just loved the whole
experience....the music and the company ....and the way we all
had to fly by the seat of our pants every show.....cause it's
a possibility that you will either be voted murderer, Datchery
or one of the lovers EVERY night. And.....you have to know not
only your OWN version of all these things....but you have to know
every ELSE'S versions especially if you get tossed together as
lovers-----fantastic. Major adrenaline rush.
Oh
man....I DO remember- bragging before the very last show of DROOD
that I had made it through the whole run without EVER having to
do Datchery because for some reason....."Rosa" just
never had been voted for it- and how glad I was because I hadn't
even looked at "Rosa's" Datchery version since we were
in rehearsal. Well, wouldn't you know me and my big mouth-- comes
time for the audience to vote for a Datchery (by applause) and
the ENTIRE crew and theatre staff that were available at that
moment---all go out to the back of the house and scream their
brains out for ME to be Datchery. I swear- I nearly had a heart
attack because I NO idea.....NONE.......what was going to come
out of my mouth. I seem to recall.....you have like....3 minutes
in between your being voted for Datchery (to put on the cape and
hat) and your big Datchery number. Hahahaha all I remember is
frantically running backstage screaming "SSCCCRRIIPPTTTTTTTT!!!!!"
and of course---- "YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!". But even
THAT I loved. It's just a fantastic show and fantastic part--
and that show attracts a particular kind of acting company. You
all gotta have some screws loose to pull it off and .....it was
a fun group. Insane- but hysterically funny. I have extremely
fond memories of that whole run.
BK:
Tell us about some of your favorite theater experiences, both
musical and non.
DLC:
Let's see-- as an AUDIENCE member I had an experience that.....was
quite..... well.....ok. I'm a big believer in the "magic"
of theatre. Absolutely. And....I'm also a big believer in omens
and signs in everyday places- right? So....my grandma had just
passed away literally not a week before....and....it had been
a hard time because I'm embarrassed to say I'd had a bit of a
falling out with her right before she died and it was very sudden
and so...there were a lot of mixed, unresolved, guilty feelings
going on at the time for me when I came back to school from the
funeral. I was kind of a mess- ya know, because for most of my
life I had been EXTREMELY close to her and we had always thought
we'd shared not only a "psychic gift" in general but
a "psychic bond" to each other as well. So.....I get
back to CMU and....I've forgotten that I've promised to go see
my friend Theo (who I was always mistaken for because we looked
so much alike) star in the music depts' production of the opera.....oh
man,.....I can't remember the name, now...."Dialogue of the
Carmelites?" or "Sisters of the Carmelites" or
something? ...Anyway it's about a bunch of nuns- at least the
first act was. Anyway---- I'm sitting in this opera....and.....we
get to the end of the first act.....and it was like....my eyes
were playing tricks on me.....the Mother Abbess was dying in the
bed----and even though I KNEW that the actress playing her couldn't
have been more than 21 years old---the way she had done her makeup
or SOMETHING....she was the spitting image of my grandmother.
It was absolutely eerie--- but I just couldn't take my eyes off
her. And then....Theo comes on (who looks just like me) and gets
on her knees and begs forgiveness (for something) from the Mother
Abbess dying the bed (who looks just like grandma) and...THEN....the
mother abbess FORGIVES the younger nun who's now bawling her eyes
out with gratitude (as am I)---- and then the mother abbess dies---peacefully.
I
mean.....it was.....it was....astonishing to me. Now, who knows.
Was it my grandmother talking to me from the grave saying..."no
worries...I forgive you....I brought you to this theatre to see
this scene so you could see with your own eyes how everything's
ok in the end"-- or ya know....maybe subconsciously I was
merely seeing what I wanted/needed to see in my own grieving process-
REGARDLESS....it
was.....the theatre that brought me to a place of peace and catharsis,
ya know? I mean, it's all about where your mind and heart is when
you go to something- ya know? And I'll never forget it as long
as I live....I mean, one act of an opera I can't even remember
the name to- versus probably, what?- a good year and half in therapy?....I'll
take the one act, thanks all the same.
And.....as
a performer--- let's see, let's see......Ooohhhhhhhh yeah....I
remember we had done 3HREE in Philly at the Prince Music theatre
in the fall and the following winter we all got together at Edison
Studios for like two days and made the CD. Well, I loved 3HREE
and I loved loved loved "Gracie" in LAWNCHAIR-- and
when we did it in Philly we were on a really tight budget so the
band arrangements were for only 5 pieces or so. Well, between
the Philly run and the recording session, Robert Lindsay Nassiff
had done arrangements for full orchestra in the meantime. So.....my
number THE AIR IS FREE was the first to record that morning --
so I walk into the studio.....having not heard anything yet orchestrally-
and....we decide to do just a warm-up take to make sure everyone's
on the same page......
well.
I mean.....I start singing this song expecting...like....the regular
tin pan alley arrangement.....and all of a sudden it's...18+ pieces
under me......and it was so......surprising! And the song itself
just kind of soars.......i felt like.....the instruments themselves
were lifting me off the ground....it's so weird to describe---
but.....by the end of the number...I was just in tears--it was.....it's
hard to find the words....i guess.....but anyway- i went into
the booth wiping my eyes- to hear the practice take thinking I
had just had this sort of spiritual experience all by myself in
there....and there was Hal (Prince)....sitting there in the booth--
wiping his eyes too--- and he just gave me this look like...."can
you believe it? can you just...BELIEVE our lives and how we get
to have marvelous experiences like this for a living?" I
mean- there was......so much in his face and we were just....i
don't know. Hal Prince and I had a 'moment' and....hahahaha I
sound like a MASTERCARD commercial--
"voice
lessons....$80 an hour;
audition outfit.....$150 dollars;
'moment' with hal prince......priceless."
Of
course--- ya know...with my luck- one day I'll bring it up to
him and he'll be like..."OHhhhhh noooooo kid- I had just
stubbed my toe and the pain was EXCRUCIATING- my eyes watered
for DAYS.....oh--- no offense though- the song was real swell.
just swell."
And
Iguess- one for the overall warm fuzzy factor....my favorite all
encompassing musical theatre experience was LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS
in high school. No kidding. Greece Athena High School, I was a
Junior. I played "Audrey" and it was like....the cast
of misfits. We all were such fantastic friends anyway.... and
I got to wear fun, tight clothes which were soooooooo the opposite
of how I dressed in high school- (think more ally Sheedy in THE
BREAKFAST CLUB-). My brother who had already graduated was brought
in to make our plants which were GENIUS- and the guy playing "Seymour"
I had the HUGEST crush on. I mean- Todd Butler....I had drooled
over him for like....5 years already and here was my big chance.
Not only did he have to KISS me....and PROTECT me......but.he
had to LOOOOOVVVVVVEEEEE me. And ya know when you're an Irish
Catholic 16 year old girl- nothing beats belting out some fabulous
tunes- legally wearing short skirts- getting laughs- kissing the
cutest guy in school and then getting swallowed by a huge puppet
that you're brother is operating. I used to love that- I'd crawl
through the "mouth" and there's my brother in full on
Jim Henson head band- hand grips- losing 5 pounds a show with
the pull system in that monster- gear--- and I'm like...."Hey
Mike...what up.....gotta match?" as I squeezed by him through
the back.
So-
it was not ya know...even summer stock- but I look back on that
experience so fondly because I just loved everyone involved- my
brother and i got to work together- it's a great part- I got to
kiss my crush- and......I was still....ya know.....in that teenaged
place of purity where you have no major concerns like rent, bills,
salaries, your career--- it was still the time in my life where
the world just revolved around music theatre itself and to be
merely doing it was just BEYOND bliss. A wonderful time.
BK:
Okay, let's talk about the play you are currently in, Hollywood
Arms, in which you get to play the young Carol Burnett. How has
this journey been? I know the road was not necessarily smooth,
but take us from Chicago to New York.
DLC:
Well, the play came into being from an idea by Carrie Hamilton
(Carol's late daughter) who had reread Carols' memoir ONE MORE
TIME and said "ya know this would make a great play I think,
let's write it together." So for about 4 years they worked
on it, did a workshop at Sundance for ten days. Then they sent
a copy to Hal and said "do you know any directors who might
be interested in workshopping this" and Hal said "well,
what about me?" and they were thrilled with the idea. he
gave them some stuff to work on, they had a workshop here in NYC
about 2 years ago....and then they solidified a Goodman theatre
date for last spring.
During
the run of BY JEEVES here in NYC around Thanksgiving- I got a
call that Hal wanted me to come in to audition for the role of
"older Helen" and so I picked up a script and went in
and auditioned. I nearly had a heart attack tho because I mean,
it was wall to wall carol lookalikes in the waiting room I kid
you not. Ironically, I was told months later that they were specifically
NOT looking for carol lookalikes at all (which would have been
nice to know THEN) ---- but boy did I think it was game over for
sure because it was like that sesame street song..."which
one of these things is NOT like the other?"....I was OBVIOUSLY
the bastard child of the waiting room.
There
was a ray of hope tho-....I remember I went in at the same time
as Michele Pawk did on the first go around. And....it was really
cool because I thought...."hmmmmmm I may not look like any
of these other Carols here.....but then I again.....i DO kind
of look like Michele Pawk.." and as time went on I noticed...that
there were like two different "families" in the making.
There were nannies and mommas and Helens from my kind of "black
Irish" family tree.....and then there were the nannies, mommas
and Helens of the strawberry blonde, thin, reedy family tree.
When I saw Pawk there....I thought maybe I might still have a
chance.
So
then I went in a week later for a callback, a few days later another
callback and then a few days later to put my audition on tape
for Carrie who was ill at the time and couldn't travel to NYC--
and then about 3 days before Christmas I got the call that I was
cast. It was a great moment, not to mention over a year's worth
of hoping and praying come to fruition.
Then
in January- I believe around the 22nd or so, we got the news that
Carrie had passed away and there were a few days where a lot of
us were wondering if Carol would choose to still go on with the
project or maybe put it away for a little while until she had
had a chance to grieve, etc.-- but after about 3 days word came
to us that all systems were go and we were still on for the Goodman
run as scheduled.
So
we all started mid march rehearsals in Chicago- hahahah well,
everyone but me I guess. I did the first day with everyone for
a read through/meet and greet in the morning and then I had about
a week and a half off while everyone worked on act one because
at that time- the older Helen prologue and epilogue were not in
the show-- So..... that was fantastic because I'd never been to
Chicago and I had a great time sightseeing and getting the monologue
under my belt by watching the old movies it was based on and doing
my best "Sybil" act alone in my hotel room-- but also
it was slightly unnerving because by the time i got back to rehearsal
- I felt kind of like the kid who comes to camp a week late and
either has to sink or swim, ya know? But it's a real open group
and it didn't take long to get into the flow of things.
BK:
You're working with some pretty amazing folks, including our very
own Michele Pawk, who we adore.
DLC:
Oh yeah....Michele is just the BEST!
I mean, at the first read through there was Michele Pawk who I'd
literally worshipped ever since I saw her in HELLO AGAIN at Lincoln
center. My friend Emily (Skinner) was like..."pleeeaaasseee
be cool---- pplleeeaassseee don't use the word WORSHIP for god's
sake when you first meet her-- she's really a great gal and don't
come off like a freak." so I was like...."ok ok ok--
yeah yeah, good tip....no using the word worship until day TWO...."
and
of course- the minute I see her I'm like...."blah blah blah
I blah blah blah worship blah blah blah you...." hahaaha,
yeah cool just isn't my strong suit I'm afraid. but she was great
about it and it only a took a couple days for me to relax and
for us to become good friends.
BK:
Is there a lot of camaraderie amongst the cast?
DLC:
Camaraderie-- hahah YES, ya know that's a perfect word to describe
our company. It's like in any show...I mean especially if you
go out of town because you're not only thrown together in a business
setting but also- you're living together usually and going out
and socializing together too-- so I think the Goodman run really
helped us cement our relationships to each other a lot more quickly
than if we'd just put it up here.
But-
every cast eventually shakes down into roles like a family....there's
the matriarch, the patriarch, the class clown, the baby, the therapist,
the organizer- I mean...depending on the show and your part and
the other personalities you can go from being the matriarch in
one show to literally the baby the next depending on all those
factors. But in this show...it's funny- I think we're so close
to the characters we actually play on so many levels...that the
roles we have adopted in the COMPANY dynamic offstage are very
very similar to the roles we play onstage.
Sara's
affectionately referred to as 'the baby' and everyone watches
out for her and is very protective of her- Linda is very much
the matriarch of our company and we look to her for loving guidance,
advice and even leadership if the cast is doing something en masse-
Michele is so fun loving and free and wise like momma her dressing
room has basically become our green room since we don't have one
at the CORT....I'm, gosh...hahaha i don't know... the BCEFA organizer...the
Halloween party thrower for the kids...a little bit of the worrier,
I think- making sure everyone's ok and nobody's left out of anything
I suppose like Helen does for her family, etc. So......we're like
a real family....and there's not one person that doesn't "fit"...
And I've never had that experience before. BY JEEVES came close-
but this is definitely a very special chemistry which we have
to attribute to our casting director mark Simon and of course-
Hal, Carol and Carrie.
BK:
Any good stories you can share about funny mishaps during the
show?
DLC:
Lots of funny stuff happens every night...but I think that's because
of the way we as a company all seem to approach the little things
that occur in every run of a show. Some casts as a whole will
let little things freak them out and throw them off...whereas
this group tends to take the everyday trip ups here and there
and find them hysterically funny and worth a good laugh or two
offstage as well. I think my personal favorite tho- is in Chicago....Linda
was just...getting tongue tied as we all do occasionally on one
of her lines in a scene in act one with Michele- and she got a
little flustered and had to refer to Michele as "Louise"
at the end of it. Well, she finally got the line out but ended
up the whole thing for some reason, by calling her "Weezie"-
like the character on the JEFFERSONS. And....Michele just lost
it...and then Linda lost it...because it was one of those...things
that comes out of nowhere but just....cracks you up-- and then
Michele got her breath and said..."It's Louise, momma.....LOUISE."
But of course- every once in a while...you have to refer to Michele
as "Weezie" when it's been a long day. It's always a
surefire picker upper.
Also
the other day- we had a matinee...and ya know...sometimes....with
the more 'mature' crowd you've got some patrons who are a tad
hard of hearing...and they tend to....not only talk LOUDLY to
each other but...give each other running commentaries when it
feels right . And so.....I've done the whole monologue and have
moved into the CHASING RAINBOWS song...and Linda has joined me
(which by the way is always improvisational...it's a free form
moment for us all)-- and in the middle of it you hear this older
man in the audience YELL "WOW!!! NICE VOICING!!!". Now,
I didn't know WHAT he said....cause I was singing- Linda thought
he said something about us "forcing it"- Michele actually
heard him correctly and burst into laughter, as did Patrick and
Emily- and it basically took everything we had to get through
to the end. I mean, I'm looking at Michele and she's become absolutely
fascinated with the table cloth cause she KNOWS....I have to take
over solo in a minute and THEYcan laugh all they want....but if
I'm laughing into this next moment it's going to be really bad...so
she's trying to avoid eye contact with me which of course just
makes it worse....
but
we have--- had a few...."old yellers" on matinee days....God
bless 'em.
BK:
You were directed by the legendary Harold Prince - how did you
enjoy the experience? Can you tell us a bit about how he likes
to work with actors - especially actors as talented as all of
you.
DLC:
Well, I think Hal is a genius. This will be my second show but
my fourth time working with him and I just think he's absolutely
brilliant. i always learn something new about him every time we
work together--
The
thing that I learned this go around.....is that one of the reasons
why he's such an amazing director is because he literally falls
in love with the show and I would even say his acting company.
He has a say in everything and he will agonize over....ya know...a
skirt length if he feels it's important to the character. He cares
deeply for every aspect of the show and I think that comes across
in his work. You can feel the love he puts into it- and I think
that's why Hal's shows always resonate emotionally above all else
with audiences.
Hal
also doesn't suffer fools gladly at all- he doesn't allow a lot
of excessive discussion about things....one of my favorite things
he says is "show me....show me....do it....don't talk to
me about it....just show me. if it works we'll all know...if it
doesn't we'll do something else...but show me." I mean....HOW
MANY times in rehearsal are hours lost to endless go arounds of
'discussions' about motivations, characters, etc.-- when he's
absolutely right. You NEVER know until you just DO it...and it
saves an incredible amount of time. not that there isn't discussion
about all those things which are of course very important---but
there isn't EXCESSIVE time devoted to it....he's incredibly efficient.
He's
also got a wonderful way of balancing....the freedom given to
actors to follow their own instincts- but also having a solid
vision to be able to reign the company so that everyone is still
doing the same play. I think with my monologue he might have given
me three pieces of direction total--which at first was incredibly
terrifying....but once I'd had a chance to flesh it out on my
own - he was able to give me fantastic direction on top of a foundation
that I had been allowed to build and create myself. His direction-
to me--- was always specific and yet applicable to the whole piece.
For example, while he let me create all the different characters
myself- "Ziegfeld, betty, John...." when I put it up
he said to me simply "It's good, kid- and I like it.....BUT--don't
ever EVER make FUN of these characters. This is NOT a skit - this
is a STORY starring all of your most beloved friends from the
movies...never ever make fun of them-- LOVE them, BECOME them."
I mean--- that's something....I can use not only in this monologue
but in every other show I ever do. And as an actress it was the
absolute perfect thing to say to me and it applied to the entire
piece for me.
Obviously,
I just can't say enough about him, I could go on and on but suffice
it to say-- I respect him tremendously as an artist, a businessman
and I love him dearly as a person. i feel incredibly blessed that
he has chosen to work with me period.
BK:
How involved was Miss Carol Burnett. Was she at rehearsals every
day?
DLC:
Yes, Carol was usually at rehearsal every day. The way we did
it in Chicago was that we'd work a scene or two in the mornings....get
it relatively blocked, etc.- and the carol would come in the afternoon
and see it on it's feet so that she could get a better idea -
be the fresher "eye" as it were as to what needed tweaking.
Then Hal and Carol would discuss things...sometimes right there
at the table while we all took a break- and sometimes....they
would wait until the end of the day and discuss things i imagine
over dinner, and then next day we would have minor or major changes--depending
on how ti had gone the day before. but yes, carol was at rehearsal
every day in Chicago until we opened...and the same thing here
in NYC. Very hands on- and very approachable.
BK:
Did she do a lot of rewriting?
DLC:
Yeah...as far as I know she did pretty much most, if not all of
the rewriting-- of course...in Chicago.....it was a bit difficult-
I've read interviews with Hal where he said....he went up to carol
in rehearsal and said...."ok....we need rewrites..."
which of course--- was going to be very difficult for carol because
she had never really done the writing without Carrie. So Hal said
"take your time" knowing full well that we didn't have
any time to spare really....and carol gulped and said..."i'll
try...." and then that night....at around 2 am she slipped
all the rewrites they had discussed under his door. So.....especially
those first few days/weeks in Chicago it had to have been quite
difficult for carol to take on the whole mantle of playwright
having shared it equally with Carrie up until that point.....but
she rallied valiantly and I think...the changes from pre Chicago
to the current production are absolutely stunning.
BK:
Did she always agree with Mr. Prince or did they occasionally
come to loggerheads? Hold nothing back, Donna Lynne Champlin.
DLC:
Wow. Did they always agree? No, they didn't. I don't think.....it
would have been as healthy and productive a collaboration if they
HAD always agreed, so no. Did they throw chairs and beer bottles
at each other during rehearsal in front off the company? Uhm.......well-
only once- no I'M KIDDING.....no. Those two are dear friends and
they were always completely respectful and honest with each other.
Like I said before...most of the discussion about rewrites, changes
in direction, etc.,--- either happened at the table while we were
on a break--- or after rehearsal entirely between the two of them.
So--- I was never really sure...what changes came from Hal and
what changes came from Carol- they were extremely unified and
focused when it came to the information the cast got, which of
course was ultimately filtered through Hal, as he was the director.
I
WILL tell you this tho- in December right after I'd been cast-
I was called to Hal's office with carol because they had rewritten
the monologue scene and wanted to see how it played out so they
could spend the rest of the winter fine tuning it. However, not
having had the chance to get to know Carol at all by this point...I
didn't know what to expect.
So...i
worked with Hal for about 20 minutes before Carol came in.....and
i did it...and it was...i'd say about 60% there writing wise.
And I have to admit I was very pleasantly surprised when Carol
just came out with "Well- this is a concern....and if we
moved this...it might do this...and I'm not too crazy about this...so
how do you feel about substituting this for that...." and
i was like....ha HA! Wow. Fantastic! And Hal without skipping
a beat said..."well- yes, I agree with you on this...but
on this other thing....let's try doing it THIS way before we lose
it....because I think it could work if we put it between here
and here...and what if we cut this..."
And
I was just...well...as an actress I just let out a huge sigh of
relief. Cause ya know...that monologue is a doozy and it's a very
very important moment in the play.....so, when I heard these two
absolute pros just short hand the hell out of this monologue in
it's early stages I knew then and there that everything was gonna
be all right. I mean, I already knew I was in great hands with
Hal--- but now seeing Carol just step RIGHT up to the plate there
and go toe to toe from the get go...I could see what a great TEAM
they actually made. Again- extremely respectful at all times---
but also....very straightforward and no crap. It was a very exciting
exchange to witness...like "shorthand for geniuses"
or something.
BK:
Is it daunting playing a young Carol Burnett with the real Carol
Burnett watching?
DLC:
Who's playing Carol Burnett? I'm playing HELEN MELTON!!!!! No
seriously...I know exactly what you mean. But for the RECORD....Hal
continually said to me "You are NOT playing Carol Burnett...you
are playing someone with the ESSENCE of Carol Burnett...but you
are NOT to "do" Carol Burnett up there, that's not what
we want and that's not what we're going for."
Now
with THAT said....would I say it was "daunting"? No.
Would I say I felt a tremendous amount of "responsibility"
to portray this character as someone who was 'based' on Carol
Burnett because I have such an immense respect and love for her
as a person and an artist? Hell yeah, absolutely.
See-
here's the THING tho, and no one was more surprised than I was
when I discovered this, myself.
Like
everyone else-- I had grown up seeing Carol Burnett walking around
with curtain rods around her neck and climbing into bathtubs with
Tim Conway singing YOU LIGHT UP MY LIFE....and of course...you
get a certain IDEA in your head as to what she must be like in
real life...she must be always cutting people up...the life of
the party..the center of attention....cause she's just so NUTTY-
right? I mean...she's nutty on TV....she must be nutty in real
life.
Well-
when I met her I realized that in real life...she is EXACTLY the
opposite. She is the straight man. She sets everyone else up to
give the punchline. She's the one with the straight face and the
one who gives everyone else center stage. She sits back a LOT
and observes others. And THAT's where a lot of her crazy charcters
and her brilliance comes from I think....her uncanny ability to
observe human nature in OTHERS. So in reality, she HERSELF is
actually quite calm, quiet and strongly centered, especially when
compared to her own family as the play demonstrates very well.
And
SO......
THAT.... is the person both Sara and I were directed to bring
to life. THAT was no mistake....it might not be exactly what people
EXPECT going IN....but that is a definate conscious choice we
all made based on Carol's own truth. That out of the entire family...the
most NORMAL would be Helen....because that's how she remembers
it , that's how I'm sure it was...because that's how it still
is. And I even remember Hal saying at some point...'I want it
to be like this girl seems to kind of blend in with the wall paper
until she tells that story and just LEAPS out at you and think
'heeeyyyy, wait a minute....' and then before you know it....she's
back to the wall paper again."
Soooo
that was all fine with me.....cause I got the inside scoop and
I knew this to be the most ACCURATE way to go....but holy crap
what about the audiences and heaven forbid , the ciritcs with
THEIR expectations- I mean, here I was with my OWN--- what about
them? THAT if anything- was the daunting part.
So
I went up to Hal at one point and sort of....expressed this concern-
and he just looked me straight in the eye and said "honey-
you're not giving them nearly enough credit. Trust them to believe
you, never EVER underestimate them, they'll get it- ya gotta have
more faith, kid. We're telling the truth- how can you go wrong
with that?".
And
ya know in Chicago- the audiences got it...and here in NYC the
audiences get it. The response to this show is so consistent-
it's amazing. Even the Friday night after all the reviews came
out from raves to mixes, etc.-- The audience reaction was EXACTLY
as it had been during previews-
people were laughing, crying, standing, cheering- and that's really
the ultimate litmus test---
you know?
So
ultimately- getting back to the "daunting" thing-
Honestly, any pressure that I may have felt I either take complete
responsibility for, or worried more about coming from the audiences
and the critics rather than Carol herself. Neither she nor Hal
ever gave me any reason to ever feel.....'daunted'. However, my
own loyalty, love and respect for her not only as an artist but
just as an amazing woman- did give me a tremendous feeling of
responsibility towards her personally, her story and this role.
BK: Here's a question we always like to ask:
If you could have any musical revived for you to star in, what
would it be and why?
DLC:
Oh! What a fun game! Uhm, well- I would love to do "Lizzie"
in 110 IN THE SHADE because I love the Rainmaker and I love that
score and most of my career I've gotten used to being...the "plain,
nice girl next door"- and Lizzie...really gets to....flesh
out what goes through the MIND and HEART of that plain, nice girl
next door....so- I have a great love for the piece and feel kind
of like my actual life up to this point has been a character study
for Lizzie anyway. Plus the actual range of the part not only
emotionally but vocally as well is very appealing to me.
And
not for nuthin' now- in the "wishful thinking" category-
I'd have to say I have a keen interest in the upcoming MARY POPPINS
musical that everyone is talking about. I always felt like my
character in BY JEEVES (Honoria) was kind of like Mary Poppins
on crack. I've always loved the movie and I think it's a great
character- because Mary Poppins herself kind of terrifies you
and loves you at the same time. An ultimately kind heart with
a spine of steel- she's like....a mismatched garanimals outfit
almost-- that just sounds like a ball to me. I don't know who's
behind it- if it's even Disney or not...but I'm sure there's also
a little latent fantasy of mine in there about wanting to be one
of those animated cartoon voices at some point, too. So- I have
no information on it all...other than I've heard about it and
I'm throwing my hat in the ring if anyone's listening, dammit.
BK:
Have you done any television as of yet?
DLC:
No, not really- I mean I've done commercials and a few little
things her and there- HBO, PBS, Rosie O'Donnell number kind of
stuff...but certainly nothing you'd recognize me from.
BK:
Films?
DLC:
Well, I did a day player part in a certain Stephen King movie
that shall remain nameless.....but other than that-- I've kind
of been so blessed with relatively consistent theatre work that....I
haven't had the "availability factor" to audition for
these other mediums- not that I wouldn't love to at some point.
BK:
Do you like those mediums as well as the stage?
DLC:
Well, again-- I don't really have that much personal experience
to draw from. But, I have to say tho....I appreciate the "all
in one take" -ness of film....if you have an emotional scene..ther'es
a lot to be said for...only having to....know you'll have to do
a certain emotional scene a few times as opposed to 8 times a
week for months or even years--...almost implying that there is
a limitation on the emotional well to draw from which i can understand....so--
THAT appeals to me...the ability to concentrate on one sort of
emotional mind set at a time until you get it 'right" -the
"perfection" of it...as opposed to the risky hit or
miss-ness of live theatre, you know?
But
I also have to say.....I don't know about the whole "out
of context" thing....and also the giving up your power to
the editor. I don't know if the control freak in me would rest
so easy with that--- doing whatever work I was doing in front
of the camera and then knowing that....the way it comes out eventually
is really in the hands of someone I might not have even met. Of
COURSE...there IS always the UPSIDE to that-- where you might
not be turning it out that day and in the hands of a great editor....you
all of a sudden have an oscar worthy performance.....soooooo---
ya know...I don't know. These are only musings of mine from the
side...."what ifs" that go through my mind...
But
I certainly have the desire to find out.
And
of course...the pay scale for film and TV is very appealing especially
when you've been working in theatre for years.....it can be a
wonderful opportunity to explore a different artistic medium and
actually pay OFF your student loans by the time you're 50, you
know? And RESIDUALS!!! What a fantastic concept!!! I'd have no
problem with getting a residual check every so often for just
still breathing 3 years after I did a guest spot on FRASIER or
something....noooo problem at all. Sign me UP!
BK:
Also, do you prefer musicals or straight plays?
DLC:
Well- huh. You're really rolling out the tough questions today-
eh? OK....uhm- I love the musicals because they can in theory-
take you and the audience to higher and lower emotional points
because the music usually takes over where simple dialogue fails-
and that's very exciting - it's like going from having a two octave
range to a four octave range....you have not necessarily MORE
colors on your palette -- you just have more white and black to
make lots more SHADES of colors...
But
then plays have such powerful girth to them-- like a brick house
compared to the straw hut-ness of the musical sometimes. I actually
prefer above all- "dark" musicals like SWEENEY TODD.
THREEPENNY OPERA and JAMES JOYCE'S THE DEAD because they FEEL
more like plays I suppose. But then the music just....gives them
an EXTRA oomph....which just feels like...a saturated sponge waiting
to be wrung out by you as the actor, I love it.
So
while musicals have the advantage of the more immediate add water
and stir factor of the emotional resonance in music itself--
Straight plays- feel more....sturdy to me.
A play feels more like it's own animal and less inclined to be
swept either one way or another...
argh-
I can't do it...
I can't PICK---I love them both.
Both mediums have fantastic qualities to them.
BK:
Who has been the most fun person you've ever acted with?
DLC:
The most fun??? Oh man.....you know...answering this is gonna
get me into a lot of trouble...because BELIEVE me...I have been
truly blessed with some FUN FUN FUN people to work with....who
might read this and go "what the hell, i can't believe she
didn't say ME!"-
But....if
I have to choose I'd say-- Christopher Fitzgerald in 3HREE's-
FLIGHT OF THE LAWNCHAIR MAN.
BK:
Why?
DLC:
Why? Well----for one thing there's that intangible energy where...you
just...'get'' each other....it's like.....twins separated at birth
or something? Also- Chris is just such a funny, intelligent, GENEROUS,
giving, sweet, emotionally honest, talented actor and partner.....that---
it never felt like acting at all with him.
AND...he's
extremely brave. I remember in rehearsal we had to figure out
the beginning of our act where gracie was sending jerry off (on
his lawnchair with 400 helium filled balloons) as prepared as
possible with sandwiches, and water, etc. Well--- hal decided
that he would just give us as actors...a whole laundry basket
full of stuff...and let US figure out the order...and how we were
going to pack everything. Now, this idea kind of freaked me out
because I'd never worked with hal before and I thought...of course
"oh god what if I do it WRONG....?" whereas CHRIS....was
like..."HahahahHA! Jackpot!!!" and he was like....ROBIN
WILLIAMS with this stuff....he was so creative and funny and true
with all these toys (walkie talkies, instant cameras...).-- that
really all I had to do....was keep up and REact as honestly as
I could to what he was choosing to do. And...so--- by his example...I
became more brave myself...and started to come up with my own
ideas.....and by the time we were done-- we had truly created
TOGETHER....a very accurate and sweet set up for gracie and jerry's
adventure.
But
Chris....is just....always there...and always honest....and always
AWARE and....keeping it real and from the heart-- and...THAT makes
for a really FUN time because....with the TRUST that you establish
with someone like that-- the more free you ARE to HAVE fun.....and....I
just adored him and felt so lucky to have him as my partner--
we just worked extremely well together, and I really look forward
to working with him again at some point.
BK:
Do you have a favorite theater composer/lyricist (living)?
DLC:
Well, I'm a huge fan of Jason Robert Brown for sure...and of course
Larry OKeefe and Sondheim too. But I think my granddaddy of all
time (currently living) favorites is Randy Newman, I just lose
my MIND over Randy Newman.
BK:
what are your favorite songs of his?
DLC:
Well- with Randy Newman...ya know...he just runs the gamut of
irreverence. I think....his...GOD'S SONG is near genius if you
can get past kind of....what he's saying and get to perhaps what
he's MEANING....... But then you know....there's the sweet simplicity
of MARIE.....or even...WHEN SHE LOVED ME from Toy Story II. I
mean.....his willingness to just write what he's thinking, PC
consequences be damned....and then.....be able to even DO the
mainstream thing without totally.....selling out to the form and
formula? It's just....yeah.....he's a rebel and a messy teddy
bear all rolled into one- what a fascinating musician and poet
he is.
BK:
Who's your favorite dead-as-a-doornail songwriter?
DLC:
Oh- Gershwin, absolutely.
BK:
Donna Lynne Champlin - Hollywood Arms has gotten mixed reviews
-
DLC:
HAhahahahahaa ooooookkaaayyyyy-
yes....which, I don't necessarily think is a bad thing at all-
especially with this play I think...it's almost a compliment in
a way.
BK:
Why is that?
DLC:
Well, first of all- our box office is surging and not only were
we in the black last week- but we are in the black for this week
and next week already (which is fantastic, especially for a play).
So-- whether it's word of mouth kicking in, or people are just
following their own instincts and coming to see the show because
they want to experience it for themselves-- we're really not suffering
(knock wood) from the mixed reviews that we got at all.
But
getting back to the "compliment" thing-I have a theory
about that based on a personal experience I had during previews.
I
literally had 5 different friends all come to the same show and
sit together and they ALL came back and had a completely different
journey. All five of them even picked a different character to
identify with and it was absolutely fascinating. One said it was
one of the funniest shows they've seen in ages- another said it
was one of the saddest and most touching plays they'd seen in
a long time......another found it to be so inspirational that
they decided to go to one more audition because "if Helen
can follow her dreams then so can THEY"..I mean....i even
had one friend who was quite upset by the whole thing...she found
herself even ANGRY at the audience for laughing at such...."serious
issues" to her....but then again she herself has battled
alcoholism for many years and so of course...she would......be
uncomfortable faced with that issue for an evening.
I
mean....i think that's a sign of a fantastic play, if you ask
me. This play comes off as very simplistic, but I think...it is
actually working on a whole bunch of different levels and I think
it's one of the reasons that the response to it has been so varied.
BK:
Do you read the reviews?
DLC:
Do I read them? Yes,. I like to know what's going on. I like to
know how different people react. I like to see even if there's
a difference in the critics based on gender, region, etc.-- And
then I like to see what happens. I'm just kind of...fascinated
by the whole thing really.
And....speaking
of reviews...I have to say that the one reviewer who I think "got
the play" the best is John Simon in New York Magazine. And
I don't say this because it was a lovely rave...I say this because
the words he chose to use, the parts of the story that he chose
to bring out and mention, the actual vocabulary and phrases in
that review are the closest I've read so far to the actual words
I heard over and over in the rehearsal process directly from Hal
and Carol's mouths. "Affection", "trust",
"sympathy", "warmth", "fallibility",
"keep both the farcical and the maudlin at bay", "love"....it
was really amazing actually. He seemed to be most in "tune"
and quite honestly the most "receptive" to what we were
trying to create and convey with this piece. And I would venture
to say that it is because he SEEMS to be the reviewer that went
to the show with the LEAST expectations- (and I mean "least"
expectations-NOT "lowest", right...cause there's a big
difference there). And therefore, it seems to me he was the reviewer
that was able to see most clearly what the show actually "was"-
and not what the show "wasn't" compared to what he expected
or even WANTED to see based on perhaps his own personal ideas
of Carol Burnett, the time period, addictions, family- what have
you.
BK:
How do you feel about reviewers?
DLC:
hahahahahaa- uhm.....how do I feel about reviewers themselves?
Oh wow....that's a sticky wicket of a question.....I would say....they
are a "necessary evil". How's that?
I
mean- look, critics are....necessary. Especially with ticket prices
going up and people being more protective of their money...it's
a comfort to have someone ELSE make a decision for you and decide
FOR you what you will or will not like, It's less of a risk, it's
less responsibility and i totally understand that. but-- in the
long run I think.... reviews.... ultimately cheat the actual theatergoer
out of their own experience...and I would encourage everyone to
just follow their own instincts and go see what they want to see-
what appeals to them- regardless, because that's really what it's
about.
So-
I understand the critic's position-and even respect how difficult
their job must be- I know that I couldn't do it for more than
a month, tops, just like I suspect- they couldn't do mine. But-
I think....the danger of critics nowadays is not necessarily the
critics themselves but the power that the general public GIVES
THEM because they just assume for whatever reason (fear of wasting
their money, fear of not going to the "hottest" show,
fear of basically not enjoying themselves) that these critics
are in a sense..."100% right".
Like
I was saying earlier with my grandma/ DIALOGUE OF THE CARMELITES
story...
SO MUCH of what you get out of a show is where your mind and heart
are when you GO IN. I mean....I had a life changing experience
during act one of an opera that most people merely liked. If I
had listened to people before hand I might not have been open
to the incredible experience I had or even worse- I might not
even have gone at ALL- and what a crime-- what a loss for me as
a person if that had happened.
So
ya know, if people have told you that AMOUR sucks- but you love
Legrand and Paris and Malcolm Gets, then get your ass to that
show and SEE IT and support it and LOVE it- ya know? Same thing
with BY JEEVES or you know...REEFER MADNESS even-
And
on the opposite spectrum- take something like HAIRSPRAY or THE
PRODUCERS- How long did it take, even after they got raves all
over town... that they were fighting expectation themselves? Some
people expecting the most earth shattering musical experience
ever because the press TOLD them that's what it was- walked out
of that theatre thinking... "hmmmmm well- it was good but
NOT AS GOOD AS so and so made it out to be in the paper....."
and how fair is THAT ultimately?
To the theatre goer- to that production?
And
I only say this because I am totally guilty of the same thing.
I have spent...many minutes wasted in a theatre while watching
a show that had gotten panned- thinking..."what is the matter
with THEM, I love this....wait, what's the matter with ME, I love
this." ya know....WASTING TIME in the theatre....second guessing
my own ENJOYMENT of something because I cannot let go of my own
expectations of it since I've already chosen to believe someone
ELSE. It's sad really and the person who really misses out is
me in the end. And I get it, I really do. And--- I respect their
job and I wouldn't want it for the world....but I just wish people
wouldn't give them so much....power, that's all.
BK:
Do reviewers sometimes "get" to you and do you occasionally
want to throttle the reviewer with pantyhose?
DLC:
Well, normally they don't really bother me.
But-- I will say it DOES get a little frustrating when.....you
see people finding fault in certain things that since they didn't
care for it themselves they automatically think that what they
didn't care for HAD to have been a mistake or an oversight on
the part of the creative team. It doesn't seem to occur to them
that whatever it was that they found "uncomfortable"-
was possibly....PUT in there on purpose to MAKE them feel uncomfortable,
or confused, or upset, etc....you know?
It's
like...the art teacher who asks their students to draw a picture
of a tree and the sky and one kid hands in a picture where the
sky is red and the tree is purple and the art teacher gives that
kid an "F" because according to the TEACHER-- all trees
are green and all skies are blue and that's what they know and
that's what they EXPECT and that's what in THEIR minds- is "right".
I mean, personally- I dig a purple tree and a red sky every once
in a while- don't you? And who's to say in some sort of reality--
the sky actually ISN'T red and trees aren't actually purple?
Perhaps
a better teacher might say- "wow, ok...the red sky and the
purple tree are not what I would have chosen to do, and honestly....that's
something I didn't expect from you-- but what an interesting choice
to make, and now that I look at it, quite beautiful." So,
the student is not necessarily WRONG...the student is just bringing
a different slant to the project. And yeah- you can give a kid
a "B minus" for that if you want...but to "fail"
someone for that-- is....well, it's now more a....reflection of
your own disappointment and expectations really, and not necessarily
on the drawing itself anymore, I think.
But
ultimately, as an actress what needs to concern me ONLY....that
we are all doing our very best- and if Hal is pleased and Carol
is pleased- and we are telling their story the way THEY want it....then
there is nothing more to it. And I highly encourage people to
take all reviews with a grain of salt -- both raves and pans--
because....theatre is so subjective....art is so subjective...if
you have a yearning toward piece--- trust your guts and go experience
it and make your own decisions--because that's the WHOLE point
of it, really.
BK:
In the face of the mixed notices, are your producers going to
try to keep the show open?
DLC:
Oh yeah, absolutely. Hal, Carol and Arielle are so positive about
the show and the success of it and they all not only love it themselves...they
believe in it. Plus, if the trend of the past week and our next
two weeks of being really really great at the box office continues---
there won't even be an issue of "keeping" the show open.....it
will survive on it's own. PLUS-- I mean...Hal believes in this
show so much that he's a producer besides being the director and
I think....that alone, shows tremendously his commitment to us
and to the play.
BK:
Have you done cabaret shows? Tell us about what type of evening
you do.
DLC:
Yes, Emily Skinner and I did a show a few years ago at B. Smith's
through the Genius Guild that was quite surprisingly to us extremely
successful-it was very tongue in cheek about show business and
the reactions to talented chicks who weren't necessarily traditionally
beautiful in the eyes of the casting powers that be. We were approached
to make into an off bway show at one point, kind of like a Music
theatre's CATHY AND MO show-- but she had JUST started SIDE SHOW
and i was regional gigging it everywhere-- so we never got around
to it..
A
few years after that with her permission I expanded on it and
turned it into a one woman show for myself called EVERYBODY REJOICE.
I did it at the now defunct PEACHES a few times again through
the Genisius Guild-- it was a grand time-- I'm a big story teller
(as you've guessed by now I'm sure)-- so...my cabaret style if
I have one at all...very much revolves around personal experiences
and story telling. I find the story I want to tell first and then
wrap appropriate songs around it- it was....more than anything
a personal healing adventure for me. I'd do it again--- but I've
sort of moved on from that place I was in when I wrote it...
I'd
have to write another one I guess...but it's fun for me...to write.....because
I compose a bit and I'm a pianist myself so I get to put the book
together, get my transposition skills back up to par....I enjoy
the process of putting it together almost as much as the process
of performing it I guess.
And
then there's BCEFA and ACTOR'S FUND stuff...I'm always up for
singing a tune here and there if I'm asked. I love being a part
of those causes--- they are dear to my heart.
BK:
Have you had any interesting backstage visitors at Hollywood Arms?
Has Tim Conway or Harvey Korman or any of Carol's gang been by?
DLC:
Well it might be the backstage situation at THE CORT...or maybe...most
of Carol's close friends came to the Chicago run because no one
was sure of the future of the play going anywhere else...but we've
had the chance to meet quite a few "stars" from Carol's
personal circle who have come to support her...it kind of would
just be a laundry list if I named them really- but there aren't
really any big surprise names there anyway. And regarding the
"gang"- although I personally only had the chance to
meet Mr. Conway at the opening night party in Chicago- I understand
that the whole "gang" HAS seen the show at one point
or another. It's been very exciting backstage to say the least,
though. I got an autograph book especially for the occasion.
BK:
Donna Lynne Champlin, what do you think of today's new musical
theater writers?
DLC:
I think they all deserve a medal, seriously. Anyone out there,
in this particular "safe bet" climate-who's managed
as a creator to be seen at all and recognized in any fashion deserves
the utmost respect for just getting out there. I shudder to think
of all the talented young creators out there still struggling
to find a venue to let them get their stuff out there and heard.
So- I have nothing but the highest praise for all of today's new
musical theater writers-because the mere fact that any of us might
be aware of them on any scale shows an amazing amount of talent
and tenacity already. Good for them. Seriously. I think they're
all fabulous.
BK:
Do you wish they would write more accessible shows?
DLC:
Huh. "accessible" shows. I have to admit -- I'm not
sure what you mean. If I understand you right....I think...for
ME....the trend these days is how can we make everything AS accessible
as possible which is slightly disturbing to me. The trend in revivals,
the sheer entertainment "Vegas" kind of musicals being
put up.....shows with no book/story.....I don't know...I'd actually
like to see a new trend of more...edgy- risky-unusual-more interesting
music THEATRE myself. So...I'd actually like to see more "risk
taking" out there-and an attempt to NOT make things so across
the board "accessible"....not to go so far as to do
"IN" (or "UN"?) accessible stuff....just..."less"
accessible. Jeez- I hope that made sense somewhere.
BK:
Who are your favorite up-and-comers?
DLC:
I love Jason Robert Brown, Larry OKeefe, John Bucchino, David
Friedman, Georgia Stitt, Jenny Giering, Rob Nassiff and actor/writer
Randy Redd as composers- Brad Rouse and Gabe Barre are both spectacular
directors- Rob Ashford kicks absolute choreographing ass.... Michael
O'Flaherty up at Goodspeed is one of the most talented Music Directors
I've ever worked with, not to mention a fabulous arranger as well-
Richard Gleaves who wrote a wonderful musical version of DORIAN
I think is just waiting to be discovered by the right theatre
and producer- I mean I have to say I'm leaning towards people
I know and have worked with....
As
far as people I've seen from a far-
I think the FOSTER siblings (Hunter and Sutton) are like....a
genetic wonder- I mean, wherever they're from they should bottle
that water and sell it cause those two turned out juuusstt ffiinneeeee.
Adam Guettel i think is a wonderful composer-
I'm a huge Julie Taymor fan-
Again-
I mean....anyone who's-- even got remote name recognition as a
creative in the business... deserves kudos because you KNOW...it's
like... already ten years of slogging it to get that far---i just...I
wish there was even MORE...support for new stuff. That's my Christmas
wish, I guess. "more money, more risks and less fear for
new stuff!"
BK:
And do you lament that there is no one writing vehicles for specific
performers?
DLC:
Oh my gosh....I kind of the think they still kind of ARE doing
the star vehicles on the sly. You know? I mean, MARIE CHRISTINE
was for Audra-- both HIGH SOCIETY and SOUND OF MUSIC (if you count
revivals too) were for Melissa Errico-- MILLIE in some respects
as far as I know was originally intended as a vehicle for Kristin
Chenowith-- DANCE OF THE VAMPIRES was for Crawford- right? Although,
the MOST recent trend seems to be using the STAR vehicle as the
composer- MOVIN OUT's Billy Joel, CAPEMAN's Paul Simon, even AIDA's
Elton John, etc. And, maybe this is just the gossip that gets
back to me at the end of the day--and I'm completely wrong about
all those things...
But
I think the DESIRE is still there and the idea is still there...to
find a 'star' and give them a vehicle....Of course---- since we
have a lot more fear around the bigger budgets and risks, "suits"
and everything than we did 30 years ago--
these days it's almost... let's find a REVIVAL that HAD a star...and
FIND A STAR now...to DO IT AGAIN!! Hahahhahahaaaa.
So
then you have a star who is trying to fit into someone ELSE'S
star vehicle that was written for them- because someone is wanting
to make them a star but is really only half assing the whole thing
because they figure...well- if this NEW star doesn't pan out...at
least....the FAME OF THE FORMER star might still get people in
here on title recognition factor.
So...upshot...I
think they ARE still writing/ producing star vehicles-- I just
wish they were actually more ABOUT the personality of the actual
STAR starring IN the show NOW...and not the "all encompassing
accessibility factor" we were talking about earlier, that
seems to muddy such good intentions up a bit.
BK:
Donna Lynne Champlin, you have been a delight and we at haineshisway.com
toast you with our official beverage, Diet Coke.
DLC:
Well, thank you very much- it's been an absolute pleasure answering
all these great questions- I kind of feel like I owe you a "therapy
session" fee or something...we went all the way back to my
childhood for heaven's sake!
BK:
May you have continued success and thanks for doing this fershluganah
unseemly interview.
DLC:
Thank you very much and same right back to you, Bruce. And even
tho I have no idea what "fershulganah" actually means.
To visit Donna Lynne Champlin on the web, go to www.donnalynnechamplin.com
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