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Title: FINE WHINES
Post by: bk on November 08, 2003, 12:25:32 AM: I shall whine even further if you haven't read the whiny notes. I am very interested to see your choices, dear readers, and I'll be reading them from the work environment.
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Post by: Jay on November 08, 2003, 12:32:55 AM: I am up much later than I should be. I had an out of body experience this evening, Dear Readers. I visited a watering hole in the city of West Hollywood, and had an out of body experience. It was as if I were in a movie, only I was watching it, and being in it, all at the same time. I hope I recover.
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Post by: Jay on November 08, 2003, 12:36:02 AM: I shall accept being first post today--my first time to make the first post under the new format--as a sign. A sign from what or whom, I am not sure, but I shall accept it, nonetheless, as a sign.

By the way (BTW in internet lingo), I adore the word "nonetheless."
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 01:18:16 AM: No fair, Jay. You bring up an out-of-body experience and then don't elaborate? Nonetheless, I'm fascinated, and as soon as you are sure you've recovered, do fill us in.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 01:20:43 AM: Favorite films by:

Polanski -- Tess/Rosemary's Baby
Hitchcock -- Vertigo/North By Northwest
Chaplin -- The Great Dictator
von Sternberg -- I've never seen a von Sternberg film that I know of.
Sturges -- Sullivan's Travels
Keaton -- I've not knowingly seen a film he's directed.
Capra -- It's A Wonderful Life

<Modified to add Capra, to mollify my conscience on waffling on a couple of titles, and to remove my faulty reference to von Stroheim)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 01:26:59 AM: I totally forgot to post to this here forum that I watched "Finding Nemo" on Thursday evening and it was fabulous. My favorite sequence was with the turtles in the EAC! But the film is a masterpiece, I tell you, a masterpiece! The only FLAW with the DVD presentation is that the film was recorded in DTS but they chose to hold it back from the DVD release...and it would have made ALL the difference between this being merely a great DVD release and being the DEFINITIVE DVD release...which is yet to come, damn them, damn them all, damn them all to BK's hell!

Ellen DeGeneres' Dorie was wonderful and amazing and enchanting. It is both a classic animated characterization and classic DeGeneres all in one performance. Brooks was amazing, too, I thought. I don't generally care for Albert Brooks' characters, although I recognize and admire his intelligence and creativity. There is always a "flop sweat" edge to him that was beautifully captured in "Broadcast News", but which seems to be present in all his performancees (for me). But here, as Marlin, he was terrific.

WOW!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 01:31:29 AM: My movie, çe soir, was going to be the DTS DVD of "Dune" (TV mini-series). But my Artisan DVD threw a big surprise at me. It held two "Disc Twos" and one "Disc Three" -- not a "Disc One" in sight. Damn them, damn them all, damn them all to BK's hell!

So, I opened my unwatched DVD for "The Color Purple" and was determined to watch just a little bit of it. Well that didn't work. I cannot watch just part of this film. It's one of the most extraordinary films I've ever seen and I never tire of it (although I tire dreadfully of Miss Millie and the cracker sheriff, yes, indeedy, I do -- I'm so tired of idiotic white folks being correctly stereotyped in this kind of film! ;D)

At any rate, this lyrical masterwork moved me again and again and I still have a lump in my throat some 30 minutes after the film ended. How it didn't win a passel of Oscars, including Best Actress and Supporting Actress, is one of the horror stories to be told about the Academy Awards.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 01:33:07 AM: Now BK made a mention in one of his posts yesterday that no one is really ever alone on this here site, but I'm here to tell you that I am the only person CURRENTLY online and browsing this here site right here and now, just as I was for a brief spell last evening until Donna dropped in.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 01:43:08 AM: I notice we had a big Friday with some relatively generous postings from Down Under and France, Europe!

Tom from Oz and François l'incorrigible made a huge impact here Friday evening and kept the numbers going up, up, up (which, by the way, is the title of my one song for a musical version of "King Kong" -- of which the less said the better).

I had another great chat with MattH via telephone yesterday. He's one of the few people I've communicated with who has heard of Jim Whaley, Atlanta-based film critic/commentator who had a syndicated PBS show called "Cinema Showcase." Jim was my best friend for 35 years. He died of a massive coronary in August 1992. Happily, talking with Matt on the phone is quite a bit like talking with Jim...time flies and we still don't discuss everything we'd like to.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 01:45:03 AM: Lord have mercy, I can see the eyes rolling into the backs of some heads right now as folks keep scrolling down and seeing all these consecutive posts from me.

Well, it serves you right for being in bed (if that's where you are) and not online after BK has posted his new column!

Plus, I have only a little ways to go before I get my fourth star and that is truly my goal before I go to bed.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 01:52:50 AM: I have a dilemma. Well, it's not a "true" dilemma. It's one of them catch 22's that you read so much about.

I've wanted a window card for "Wicked" since seeing the show. Window cards are those 14 X 22-inch posters you see "in windows", dontchaknow.

Surprise! Surprise! The official "Wicked" website has a store, and in this store, they're selling window cards for $15.95.

Hurrah! I thought! Eureka! I exclaimed. Whoopee, I exulted.

And then I tried to order one, but got cut off at the fershluganah pass because they don't take American Express and I don't have MasterCard or Visa.

Don't you hate that? Anyway, I'm going to get a mailing address and send them a stinkin' money order for it.

But damn them, damn them all, damn them all to BK's hell!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 01:56:02 AM: Okay, I know you're all getting sick of this. And perhaps someone -- oh, I can think of someone who'd do it -- might recommend making it impossible for anyone to post more than three consecutive posts just so you don't get so sick of seeing "another" post from me (or someone else) following the last over and over.

But only two more.

I promise.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 01:57:27 AM: I've been on this board for 33 minutes and am still the only browser here.

But that's okay...'cause this is my 250th post.

One more to go!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 01:58:44 AM: Shazaam! This should be the one!

But whether it gives me the extra star or not, I'm holding to my promise.

I'm going to bed...and won't post until more cows have posted.
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Post by: Jrand73 on November 08, 2003, 04:32:16 AM: DR Ron - hope you get your window card! Yes a money order is a pain, but at least you didn't have to fight someone on EBAY for it.

DR Kerry - you can change your quote on using the Edit Profile function. It is on that page.

DR Jay - an out of body experience? Oh my. And a bar in West Hollywood is probably NOT a good place to be when that happens.

Last night on the Sundance Channel I saw a movie called Cry Laugh Happy (or sumpin like dat) and who was in it but Mr Tif Luckenbill. I worked with Tif some years ago - stage managed a play he was in. What a nice guy, and a good actor. I wish I could remember the name of the play - it will come to me. First act was in a restaurant - Second Act in a house at the beach. Anyway, watch out for Tif! He is going places!
Unfortunately this was one of those improvised movies that was like being stuck at a horrible party with the most boring and irritating people in the world - and if you think that was the point of the movie, NOPE - it should have been at least INTERESTING!

I am going to try to find a new Icon in honor of my SR Member status.

And today is Dame Edna day!!! :o

What a lot of talented and innovative directors Mr BK has chosen. Hmmmmmmmmmm. And my choices for some of them change from viewing to viewing...but:

Chaplin: Limelight ;D
Polanski: Dance of the Vampires (film)
Hitchcock: so many, but North by Northwest
Sturges: Miracle of Morgan's Creek
Keaton: Seven Chances (I think he directed himself in it, I hope that is the name of it, he advertises for a wife and ends up with several hundred women chasing him through town)
Von Stroheim: I have only seen one Foolish Wives

Stop whining!
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Post by: Michael on November 08, 2003, 04:36:19 AM: Charles Chaplin So many choices, but if I had to chose one it would have to be City Lights especially for the final shot of the film. Brilliant! One picture is worth a thousand words in this silent film. But then again there is Modern Times, The Great Dictator, The Gold Rush, The Circus and his shorts like The Kid, The Immigrant, The Tramp etc etc etc

Buster Keaton Unfortunatly i have not seen a lot of his films over the years because he really was a genius. I would have to chose: The General I do remember a short he made in Canada onr his last film he ever made in which he was the star called The Railroader made by The National Film Board of Canada in which he travels from one end of Canada to other on a small train cart and his adventures within. Very funny and memorable if you have the opportunity to see it.

Alfred Hitchock: Over the years I discovered that I have watched less and less of his films. The reason I find is the "artificiality" of his films. Hitchcock like to work within the studio most of the time as opposed to shoot on location. The obvious us of rear projection and studio sets have become more evident to me. Even in It Takes a Thief which was shot partly in Monaco the use of rear projection in many of the outdoor scenes is too much of a distraction. That said, I would have to say that I enjoy The Birds the most and as an experiment in filmmaking I would have to say Rope

Frank Capra I always have a soft place in my heart for Lost HorizonThere are so many other fine films as well I would have to chose one more it would be Arsenic and Old Lace.

Josef von Sternberg I know he directed The Blue Angel, but I have never been able to watch the movie as the prints I have seen of it are awful and it really is a primative early sound film. But looking at his film list I believe the only other film I have ever seen was Shanghai Express. I saw a documentary called The Epic That Never Was which was about his film I, Claudius with Charles Laughton that was abandoned/Never completed film. Watch was seen was interesting, but perhaps so for Charles Laughton's performance.

Preston Sturges So many great films as a director and as a writer. So I will try to pick a favorite from each. As a director I would have to say The Miracle of Morgan's Creek and Hail the Conquering Hero

Roman Polanski The only one still making movies. Chinatown, Rosemary's Baby, The Tenant, Fearless Vampire Killers or: Pardon Me, But Your Teeth Are in My Neck, Macbeth (Not for Shakespeare purest) and I know he was in it but not sure if he directed it a French television production of Waiting For Godot (one of the greatest plays of the 20th century)

Francois can you check on this for us?
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 04:36:54 AM: DR Kerry, the Edit Profile function is not working currently. You can view another person's profile but you can't edit your own. It has to do with the move to the new server. I think it's been posted on the tech board and they are working on it.

I'm off to do the laundry. I will return and post about the noted director's films.
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Post by: Jrand73 on November 08, 2003, 04:40:07 AM: Here is your lovely Allison Hayes Picture of the Day.

Those Lips, Those Eyes!
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Post by: Jrand73 on November 08, 2003, 04:41:05 AM: Thanks Ben! Didn't realize that!
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Post by: Jennifer on November 08, 2003, 05:21:56 AM: DR Emily mentioned last night that we had snow accumulation. You did? I didn't! It was just sprinkling here. And of course nothing stayed on the ground. My grass is WAY too full of leaves for snow. :)

DR RonP: Hmmmm, I can relate to your obsessive "Senior Member" hunt. I hope for your sake there is something more than the four stars :)

For BK or Craig or Mark or any DRs: Is the "new" button working for you? Ever since we switched over, it has taken me (probably 3 times) to the last page, and not the page I was at.
Title: Re:FINE WHINES
Post by: Jennifer on November 08, 2003, 05:27:01 AM: 165 is oh so far from 250! :)

Oh it is way too early to be up on a Saturday. But I want to watch last night's tape of Sex & The City or Miss Match. Then I will head out shopping, and to craft fairs.

DRs Emily and Andrea: have you ever been to a craft fair? I am totally addicted. This weekend is the start of them (there is a great one at the Holiday Inn). There will be some every weekend for the next month! Woohoo.

Btw, do all cities have these crazy craft fairs in November? Or is Montreal particularly craft crazy?
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Post by: Jennifer on November 08, 2003, 05:29:19 AM: One more thing before I go. I do think the board loads faster since the change. However, it could also be because there have not been as many pictures posted. Not sure.

And THANK YOU to Mark or Craig or BK or whoever put the date in the news column.
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 05:36:54 AM: 175 is far from 250 also. We need to emulate our brethren, Mr. JRand and Mr. Pulliam and post, post, post. Alas, we are all so addicted to self-gratification (not THAT kind you dirty-minded people ;)) climbing the ladder to Senior Member after working so hard to become a Junior or Full Member. What happens when we reach Senior Member. We get a star, but do we get stock options, maybe? Although in this time and space continuum, stock options may not be the best reward.
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Post by: Matt H. on November 08, 2003, 05:37:38 AM: DR Ron, no problem at all with consecutive posts when they're as literate and funny and interesting as yours were. Keep them coming! ::)

Oh, those great filmmakers. I wish I had time to elaborate as dear DR MDS did about each one of them because I do think all of them are geniuses.

Roman Polanski -- CHINATOWN

Alfred Hitchcock -- REAR WINDOW (but PSYCHO and THE BIRDS are VERY close behind)

Charles Chaplin -- CITY LIGHTS (I think it's the greatest movie ever made. Critic James Agee thought so as well.)

Eric von Sternberg -- BLONDE VENUS (inspired to have Marlene Dietrich coming out of a gorilla suit in the number "Hot Voodoo." A close second would be THE SCARLET EMPRESS.)

Preston Sturges -- UNFAITHFULLY YOURS

Buster Keaton -- SHERLOCK, JR. (but so many masterpieces to choose from)

OK, gang, I'm sorry to leave you and be E&T for the rest of the day. If I get a chance, I'll check back in on my friend's computer this afternoon, but time may not permit. I'll be back Sunday afternoon in time for celebration, I trust.
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 05:38:22 AM: My laundry will be dry around 9:45am so I will head back to fold and fluff.

It is absolutely fall in NYC. The weather all weekend will be in the 40 degree range. Break out the gloves and earmuffs. It will be a good way to prepare for December in England.
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 05:46:10 AM: I don't know enough of von Sternberg to comment, but of the directors mentioned that I know here are my choices. Most of them have already been mentioned but it can't hurt to mention them again.

Polanski-Chinatown

Capra-Lost Horizon

Hitchcock-Rear Window or perhaps North by Northwest

Sturges-Miracle of Morgan's Creek

Chaplin-Limelight and I do love The Great Dictator also.
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 05:54:49 AM: Jennifer, in NYC we have Street Fairs in the summer. They started out as enjoyable summer distractions but now, 20 years later they have become traffic clogging silliness. They grew to such proportions in the late 80s that the city passed laws saying you can't have a street fair unless the proceeds benefit a nonprofit organization (because it seemed like there was a street fair on some street every summer Saturday or Sunday). Well, it didn't cut down on the number of street fairs, the promoters just went out and found nonprofits willing to put their name on a banner so the promoter could legally have a street fair. You rarely find anything of interest at these things. It's the same bad ethnic food, cheap socks, cheap bedding (sheets, pillows, comforters, etc.) loud house mix CDs, etc., etc., etc., (a King and I reference). They have lost their allure for me. They rarely have any kind of "craft" booth or much art other than kitschy things. Sorry, this is turning into a minor rant about street fairs in NYC. Didn't mean it to go that far. Suffice it to say, there are very few craft fairs on the streets of New York. There are Art Fairs in various armory buildings and the Greenwich Village Art Fair down near Washington Square Park and NYU in the spring and fall. Enough, enough he says. Go away and let someone else post.
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Post by: Matt H. on November 08, 2003, 05:55:17 AM: Oops (spoo spelling backwards), I left off Frank Capra - IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE.
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 05:55:45 AM: I just realized I was contributing to the theme of the notes today, Whining. I don't feel so bad after all.
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Post by: Kerry on November 08, 2003, 06:00:09 AM: Thank you guys for your help--- or your attempted help.

I'll be back later to answer the question of the day.

But for MDS, Hitchcock used rear projections purposely and even when on location made the location seem artificial. I had read he did this to give you a sense of unease at all times-- as if something is not quite right (which, in turn, adds to the suspense). It always worked for me. Who am I, Kevin Brownlow, all of a sudden?

Ben, are you all folded and fluffy now?

Jay, you cannot let a comment like having an out of body experience just go like that. Details, man, I want details!
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Post by: Noel on November 08, 2003, 06:29:04 AM: My mother done told me that people in Michigan (where she attended college), people pronounce Mary, merry and marry exactly the same. She done told me that, but I don't have to believe her.

I've been accused of being a New York chauvinist, but it seems to me that the "correct" pronunciation should be set by whatever area of the country produces the best literature. So, if Michigan, say, churns out the best books, then their Mary-sounds-like-merry-sounds-like-marry thing holds sway. But if the land of Crane, White, Whitman, O’Hara, Mailer, Miller, Doctorow, Bellow & Roth tells you Mary-is-different-than-merry-is-different-than-marry, they've earned the right to have it their way.

Our cast party (some would call it a wedding reception) was held at Chumley's, whose walls are covered by book covers of the writers who've imbibed there. It was hard to name any literary light who wasn't represented. [/snobbism]

I hope BK is feeling better. I've felt a cold coming on, but, so far, it hasn't. Hot liquids are good. Soup is good food. Audiences are soup. What the hell am I talking about?
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Post by: Jrand73 on November 08, 2003, 06:48:06 AM: I think I mixed up my Von Sternbergs and Von Stroheims.
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Post by: Noel on November 08, 2003, 06:56:49 AM: I think the only Polanski film I've liked is Chinatown. That one about the guy with the apartment: I found it disturbing. And I don't like to be disturbed when I go to the movies.

When a movie theatre on Broadway in the upper 60's did a Hitchcock festival, I tried to see as many as possible. Now I've not seen Stage Fright, Marnie or Foreign Correspondant, but I've seen all the ones widely hailed as classics. Hard to pick a favorite, but I'd go with Shadow of a Doubt just because it's so human. You really feel for that suspicious niece. The Merry Widow waltz still scares me.

I just love Sturges, and have tried to see all of his films, too. While there's no doubt in my mind that Miracle of Morgan's Creek is the funniest film ever made, I just love the romance and star performances (Barbara Stanwyck & Henry Fonda) in The Lady Eve. Now there's one I've always wanted to make into a musical. It poses the question, what happens when a con-artist falls in love? Years later, Prizzi's Honor posed the question, what happens when a mafia hitman falls in love?
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Post by: Danise on November 08, 2003, 07:20:57 AM: Anyone got some cheeze to go with the whine? (http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung0903/lachen/laughing-smiley-014.gif)

I want to whine too. I thought I was going to see Starlight Express today but it seems it was canceled. Boo Hoo! :'(

I guess it's not a total lost--it was going to cost about $30.00 and that was the nose bleed section. I wouldn't have been able really see it.

I think I shall console myself by going to Best Buy or some such and buy myself some DVD's /CD's or a computer program or two that I've wanted.

Funny but I almost never use my computer for games anymore. I'm always on the net talking to someone. Human interaction over virtual interaction. This is a good thing, right?

Besides, you can only build so many pyramids or roman cities. You guys are much more fun. :)

I have to tell you that years ago I had a dentist called Dr. Ferry but if you say it without looking at the spelling I think it's funny.

Talk to ya'll later.

D
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 07:28:21 AM: DR Kerry: Yes, I am all folded and fluffed now. I still need to iron a pair of pants but otherwise I am ready for action.
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 07:29:12 AM: Oh, one more to make it 180 and then 71 more to Senior Member and another gold star from the teacher.
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Post by: Maya on November 08, 2003, 07:35:10 AM: Good morning, DRs! I'm here at work, and I think I'm getting a cold! Not that I'm whining about it ;)

I got some great news from Swishy Sarah! She e-mailed me to tell me that she got a B in algebra so she should be back with us relatively soon, although she's not sure when. Hopefully she will be able to make tomorrow's anniversary chat...she sends her love to everyone!

Jay--Please do tell us about your out-of-body-experience, if you don't mind! My mom used to have a friend who had one; I've always believed in them, and have even tried to will myself to have one a few times to no avail. It would be a great skill to have for some of the classes I'm taking!

Ron--I love window cards; good luck getting your Wicked one! Have you ever checked out the website for Triton Galleries?? They really have some great finds.

Well, I suppose I should try and read some more Walden. I do have a paper to write over the weekend. Le sigh.
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Post by: Matthew on November 08, 2003, 07:38:12 AM: Ah, another movie topic... Movies were movies when you paid a dime to escape... (Oh, a JH reference) Just go to the movies, just go to the flicks (another JH reference). Can't contribute to the movie topic :(
I hope somone logs the unseemly chat tomorrow eve for those of us who will not be able to attend. It sounds like it's something not to be missed, but unfortunately, some of us will :( We'll have to be sure and post till the cows come home, or at least a chicken. Well, not a chicken, I couldn't face a chicken, bring a turkey. (oh dear, it's happening again)
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Post by: Craig on November 08, 2003, 07:57:51 AM: In other news. Those in NYC were treated to not only very cold weather this morning, but a very warm performance by our very dear Kerry Butler who was on NBC's NEW YORK TODAY show and sang "Somewhere That's Green" quite loverly...

More later.. I am at work (of course) and have to get back into the thick (and thin) of it.

oh.. the "big" news in my apt is that I now have a TV again. I have been watching DVD's and cable via my computer.. but last night I bought a new tv and enjoyed watching Finding Nemo on it!
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Post by: Jane on November 08, 2003, 08:06:06 AM: Jennifer, I will answer your craft fair question. I use to love to go to them when we lived in Pennsylvania and Michigan. After going to a few here I became bored and only go once in awhile. Guess they all seem about the same now. I wish I could remember the name of the fall fair in Bucks County, PA. It was incredible.
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Post by: Michael on November 08, 2003, 08:08:07 AM: Quote from: Ben on November 08, 2003, 07:28:21 AM
DR Kerry: Yes, I am all folded and fluffed now. I still need to iron a pair of pants but otherwise I am ready for action.

Ben, have you ever thought of becoming a professional fluffer? ;D
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Post by: Jane on November 08, 2003, 08:09:38 AM: Noel, I do believe the Lady Eve would make a wonderful musical.

Still working on my favorites.
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Post by: Jrand73 on November 08, 2003, 08:17:42 AM: DR Jennifer - we have Crafty Fairs all over the place...and November is a great month for them. But Craft pieces drive me crazy - and if I see one more Eiffel Tower built from Popsicle sticks or red white and blue pot holder or rough-edged afghan I shall scream!!! An Oliver! reference DR TCB.

DR Maya - [move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]simplify, simplify, simplify![/move] [move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%] ;D[/move]
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Post by: Jay on November 08, 2003, 08:19:46 AM: I guess my post last night made it sound like there was more to my experience than there was. It's just that it's been a very, very, very (that's three verys) long time since I'd gone out in the L.A. area edition of Boystown (West Hollywood), and I felt like a fish out of water. (Oh, an oblique Finding Nemo reference.) If I wasn't the oldest person in the place, I must have been close to it. I was dressed differently from most. (I was in jeans, button-down shirt and V-neck sleeveless sweater.) The music (which was poundingly loud, and this was NOT a dance palace I was at) was completely unfamiliar to me. The lounge I was at is decorated extravagantly, and has large open bar areas as well as more intimate conversation areas. As one moves around the bar, one kind of circulates between indoor and outdoor areas.

At one point, I just felt like I was some kind of disinterested observer, observing all the quirky elements of the setting and quirky behavior of the other patrons. I was there--and apart from it--all at the same time.

So that's the big story. End of mystery. Disappointing, I know, but it is what it is.
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Post by: JMK on November 08, 2003, 08:24:19 AM: I certainly don't want to whine, but once again the Board logged me off for having the temerity not to post every day. Then logging back in became an effort (though, I must admit, not the three-day travail it was last time). I hesitate to mention this, since the last time I brought it up, my Karma was almost immediately depleted of several points, but there ya have it.

My wife is in NYC doing museums and seeing shows with her Mom. She saw "Wicked" Thursday and loved it (so there, ya mean and nasty critics). Tonight she'll see "Gypsy" featuring our friend Brooks Ashmanskas. She may get together with DR Aura sometime, too. I on the other hand am dealing with the kids, one of whom is sick. Oy, oy, oy.
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Post by: Jay on November 08, 2003, 08:27:09 AM: Umm, have I offended a Dear Reader? Or worse, bored a Dear Reader? I ask, because I see that my Karma rating has been reduced.

If I've inadvertently done something amiss, please let me know. The intent behind any post I make here, you must believe, is purely positive. Sure, sometimes my humor is a little dry, and, on occasion, borderline naughty, but I don't believe I've posted anything that might be cause to strip me of hard-earned karma!

:-[
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 08:27:56 AM: Quote
Name your favorite films of the following artistes: Charles Chaplin, Buster Keaton, Josef von Sternberg, Alfred Hitchcock, Roman Polanski, Frank Capra and Preston Sturges.

CHAPLIN = MODERN TIMES

KEATON = THE GENERAL

VON STERNBERG = THE SCARLET EMPRESS; positively mind-boggling.

HITCHCOCK = VERTIGO

POLANSKI = TESS; I know that this will cause some alarm, but, I find it to be one of his most personal films. CHINATOWN and ROSEMARY'S BABY are neck in neck, though for 2nd place.

CAPRA = LADY FOR A DAY (and its remake, POCKETFUL OF MIRACLES)

STURGES = THE MIRACLE AT MORGAN'S CREEK; although I still think that UNFAITHFULLY YOURS would make a fine musical with Judy Kaye in the Linda Darnell role.

DR Tom, you guy from Oz, you: I think that I may have mentioned this before, but, the song "A Kiss at the End of the Rainbow" from A MIGHTY WIND would be my choice for a Best Song Oscar. It was written by Michael McKean and Annette O'Toole.

DR Maya: There's no need to quit Kazaa-ing; under the Options menu, you'll find a Kazaa options, there you will find a Privacy option. If you check the box marked "Users can't get a list of all your shared files," then you will be running kazaa safely and efficiently.
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Post by: Jane on November 08, 2003, 08:28:06 AM: Sturges: Sullivan’s Travels-so difficult to choose just one.
Hitchcock: Strangers on a Train
Polanski: The Piano
Chaplin: ?
Keaton: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum
Von Sternberg: I am not familiar with his work
Capra: It’s a Wonderful Life and Arsenic and Old Lace

A bit of trivia, we have Capra’s autobiography, “The Name Above the Title,” signed by him to Harold Brown (former Secretary of Defense).
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 08:29:50 AM: JMK: Nice to see you posting again. I gladly offer you some karma!

I like to think karma is bestowed upon those who need it, as well as being the popularity points some people use them for.

Good karma can really boost the morale and help a person's day along. I know...someone just took a point away from me, and all I do is give everyone points whenever I can. Such is life. Some folks are "that way." It doesn't matter.

Tell your lovely wife she has EXCELLENT taste in musicals, too!
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Post by: Jay on November 08, 2003, 08:30:20 AM: Just reread my last post and realized that now I'm whining, too. Just doing my best, I suppose, to support the theme of the day (tTotD, in internet lingo.)
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Post by: Noel on November 08, 2003, 08:48:47 AM: I have too little to whine about. We're enjoying a lovely holiday in the Saucon Valley, and my class yesterday ranked as the best ever. Missing me for a week (due to my muddy mishap) seems to have brought out the best in all the students. We talked about the audition process from the beginning (circling ads in Backstage) to the end, and I used the Socratic method and my dozen students were actually able to come up with the answers. That moved things along swiftly and interestingly. A while ago, I described my students as Teflon - nothing seems to stick to them. But this week, their work revealed I had some sort of an impact and I'm just thrilled.
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 08:51:26 AM: Hmmm, being a "professional fluffer" might prove interesting. I could certainly come home with interesting stories to amuse my Anthony, and if he became jealous of my "fluffery" why I would just invite him to come to work with me and we could "fluff" together. Oh, the sights we would see :o
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 08:55:18 AM: Keep forgetting to mention this. I saw earlier this week at a couple of entertainment news sites that VH1 is planning an updated Partridge Family. Perhaps our own BK could reprise his role. That would certainly prove entertaining.
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Post by: Jrand73 on November 08, 2003, 08:59:26 AM: DR Jay - sometimes when trying to click the applaud button, a DR might inadvertantly click the boo button. And then there is no way to correct it for 72 hours.

At least I tell myself that!
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Post by: Jay on November 08, 2003, 09:02:41 AM: Thanks, DR JRand. I see several kind DRs have already responded to my pathetic whining. I shall return the favor all around!
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Post by: Maya on November 08, 2003, 09:09:18 AM: Jrand--LOL! Wanna write my paper for me??

TD--thanks for the advice! I may actually go ahead and do that....although I keep thinking of the new South Park episode where the boys download their first song; a helicopter immediately zooms over their head and they are intercepted by rabid music-police people!

I totally forgot to list my favorite movies by the following auteurs:

Hitchcock: Psycho, I guess. I'm not actually a big Hitch person.
Polanski: The only thing of his I've seen is The Pianist. Though I do really want to see Chinatown and Repulsion.
Chaplin: The Gold Rush.
Keaton: Hmmm...what have I seen that he directed? Let's go with the General.
Sturges: Gulliver's Travels.
Von Sternberg: The Blue Angel.
Capra: It Happened One Night.
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Post by: Sandra on November 08, 2003, 09:12:48 AM: So how are Mary, merry, and marry pronounced? Other than that, I have nothing to say. Bye bye now.
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 09:30:33 AM: Quote from: Maya on November 08, 2003, 09:09:18 AM
TD--thanks for the advice! I may actually go ahead and do that....although I keep thinking of the new South Park episode where the boys download their first song; a helicopter immediately zooms over their head and they are intercepted by rabid music-police people!

LOL Maya-My-Papaya!

As some other DR pointed out, use Kazaa Lite! If you're worried about those helicopters, though, once you've dl'ed something MOVE IT IMMEDIATELY from "My Shared Folder" to another folder on your computer. . .
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Post by: bk on November 08, 2003, 09:32:06 AM: I finally got a decent night's sleep, but still feel under the weather. Whiiiiiiine.

Now, I thought I read that Mr. Bakalor had fixed the Edit Profile function, no? Let's be sure before I ask him.

Jennifer, the "new" button works fine for me and we would have heard if it hadn't been working for others.

JMK: You would not have been logged off were it not for the new server change. It won't happen again as long as you've checked the "always stay logged in" feature.

Fifty-five posts by nine o'clock on a Saturday is a new record for us - no other site has fifty-five posts by nine o'clock on a Saturday.

Anyone who was using the click smilies site able to get to it? I get a "forbidden" notice.

Loving your director choices. Keaton, of course, isn't always credited as the director of his films but it is obvious he is the auteur. It is clear that von Sternberg is the least known here, and I must tell you there has never been anyone else like him, ever. Whether you end up liking or "getting" his films, you must see a couple just to see what he's about. They are, each and every one of them, unique and unlike anything you've ever seen. My list:

von Sternberg: The sublime Blonde Venus, which includes one of the greatest musical numbers ever put on film: Hot Voodoo. I also love his two Shanghai movies - Shanghai Express and the supremely strange The Shanghai Gesture. There is a Criterion DVD of The Scarlet Empress which is very good - again, totally unique.

Hitchcock: The two I can watch again and again and never tire of are North by Northwest and Rear Window, two of the greatest movies ever made.

Capra: It's a Wonderful Life

Sturges: I like all his films but for me the one where everything works perfectly is Sullivan's Travels, plus it has two of my all-time favorite actors, Joel McCrea and Veronica Lake.

Polanski: Rosemary's Baby and Chinatown, both masterpieces. Rosemary's Baby, for me, remains the finest adaptation of a book ever made (it IS the book), and Chinatown is perfection on every level.

Keaton: Seven Chances and Sherlock, Jr.

Chaplin: City Lights, simply one of the greatest movies ever made. Limelight holds a special place in my heart, too.

And now, off to work. Keep up the loads of lovely posts, and please someone answer my two questions.
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 09:41:36 AM: The "New" Button has worked just fine for me, BK.
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Post by: bk on November 08, 2003, 09:43:50 AM: That was Jennifer's question. My two questions: For those who used the click smilies site that dear reader Joy sent us, too - are you able to access it or are you getting a "forbidden" page, like me?

And is the Edit Profile feature working or not. My memory is that Mr. Mark Bakalor said it had been fixed when someone first mentioned it two days ago. If I'm wrong, let me know immediately so I can bring it to his attention.
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 09:44:51 AM: Quote from: bk on November 08, 2003, 09:32:06 AM

von Sternberg: The sublime Blonde Venus, which includes one of the greatest musical numbers ever put on film: Hot Voodoo. I also love his two Shanghai movies - Shanghai Express and the supremely strange The Shanghai Gesture. There is a Criterion DVD of The Scarlet Empress which is very good - again, totally unique.

Well, I'm going to have to take your word for it, BK. I had heard from certain Scarlet Streeters that this particular dvd was not up to the usual Criterion standards. . .I have my videotape which I still watch, but, if the Crtierion disc is "very good," I shall have to say goodbye my video. 8)
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Post by: George on November 08, 2003, 09:44:53 AM: Bruce, if you were going to http://www.clicksmilies.com/ then it worked fine for me.

(http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung0903/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-002.gif)

Pretty cool, huh?
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 09:46:14 AM: (http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung0903/engel/angel-smiley-027.gif)
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Post by: Jrand73 on November 08, 2003, 09:46:21 AM: Still errors when you go to the Edit Profile Page.
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 09:46:40 AM: Obviously, that worked for me, too.
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Post by: George on November 08, 2003, 09:48:34 AM: An Error Has Occurred!

2: opendir(): SAFE MODE Restriction in effect. The script whose uid is 3805 is not allowed to access /home/haineshisway owned by uid 0
(/home/haineshisway/community/Sources/Profile.php ln 364)

Bruce, I got this error message when I tried to edit my profile. I don't think it's working.
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 09:48:40 AM: Quote
2: opendir(): SAFE MODE Restriction in effect. The script whose uid is 3805 is not allowed to access /home/haineshisway owned by uid 0
(/home/haineshisway/community/Sources/Profile.php ln 364)

that's what I get when I try to edit/modify my profile. . .
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Post by: Jrand73 on November 08, 2003, 09:52:43 AM: (http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung0903/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-001.gif)

Site worked for me from my original bookmark.

DR Maya - Sorry, I have written my LAST term paper until my next reincarnation! ;D
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 09:54:25 AM: Viewing a profile has been fixed but editing a profile doesn't work yet. Someone posted it on the tech board today but I guess it wouldn't hurt to mention it again. Not that I need to edit my profile but that error message does pop up as of 12:49pm EST on Saturday, November 8, 2003 (am I compulsive enough?)

My pants are now ironed and the laundry is put away. I'm wearing a long sleeve thermal undershirt and dark blue sweatpants with pockets. I am not wearing slippers or shoes at this moment since I'm indoors but when I go downstairs to check the mail (I wish we had little buttons or dings or something to alert when the mail arrives, then I wouldn't have to walk down three flights and up three flights - whine) I will put on my slippers. There are pigeons (aka flying rats) nesting on my windowsill right now and I will whine at them until they go away. Oh, I enjoyed the Whiners on Saturday Night Live. They were funny!

Back to my office work which I brought home for the weekend. Then a break to watch VHI I Love the 80s Strikes Back. I enjoy it more than I thought I would.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on November 08, 2003, 10:14:37 AM: Re: Bruce's filmmaker choices (we writers reject the word "auteur" when it applies to directors. Where were they when we were sitting in a room, staring at a blank page, conjuring something out of nothing? No film is the work of one man...but don't get me started...):

Chaplin: I must admit he is a serious gap in my otherwise sterling film education. I've seen lots of his shorts, some of his features, but not nearly enough to pick one. I can tell you my favourite Chaplin moment however. A photo of a woman and a Dear John letter sit on a table. Chaplin stands next to them, back to us, his body wracked with heaving, weeping convulsions. Then he turns around...he's not weeping at all. He's joyously shaking a martini pitcher, his body convulsed in celebratory laughter.

Keaton: THE GENERAL. Again, in the arena of silents, I have more knowledge than actual experience.

Von Sternberg: This is easy. THE SCARLET EMPRESS. The most giddily surreal film ever made. Wonderfully bizarre piece of film-making. In glorious black and white!

Polanski: CHINATOWN

Hitchcock: NOTORIOUS....I'm also fond of REBECCA, but that owes as much to Selznick as Hitchcock, to say nothing of Ms. DuMaurier.

Capra: The obvious choice, of course, would be IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE. But because of its overkill showings during it's public domain years, I haven't watched it for awhile. And I am rather fond of the charms of MR. DEEDS GOES TO TOWN & MEET JOHN DOE, with Gary Cooper...perhaps the best film actor ever. ARSENIC & OLD LACE is one of the few times knock-down farce works brilliantly on film. And IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT still goes down real easy.

STURGES: The easy answer is everything. But if I had to pick, it would probably be CHRISTMAS IN JULY and PALM BEACH STORY with one of my favourite actresses of all time, Mary Astor ("I grow on people...like moss.")
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Post by: Jay on November 08, 2003, 10:33:13 AM: I'm off to get a haircut. May take in a movie following. Isn't that exciting? Isn't that too too?
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Post by: Charles Pogue on November 08, 2003, 10:36:53 AM: Jay, don't just get a hair cut. Get them all cut.
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Post by: Jrand73 on November 08, 2003, 10:50:56 AM: Frank Capra: Only once choice for me: Lost Horizon!
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 10:57:45 AM: Hey, HKs, a little of that famous HK vibe sending would be appropriate right now. I just got off the phone with my brother. He's in the army reserves (has been for about 17 years) and he just found out he's being shipped out to Iraq. He leaves on December 1st for some training in the U.S. and after that it's off to the Middle East. Oy (and I'm not even Jewish). What a time for this to happen. His father-in-law just died three weeks ago and now he's off to Iraq just before Christmas. The kids (two of them) are not quite sure how to react. Not much more to say right now, just send those good vibes if you have any to spare. Thanks.
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Post by: bk on November 08, 2003, 10:57:52 AM: Aren't these lists fascinating? I am at work, viewing the last of three tapes and should be out of here no later than noon or noon-thirty. A good thing as I feel pretty rotten. Your posts, as always, cheer me up.
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Post by: Craig on November 08, 2003, 11:15:29 AM: Bruce-

If you feel rotten, perhaps it's because you need to get fresh!
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Post by: Jane on November 08, 2003, 11:20:26 AM: George-the happy face went straight from the computer to my face.
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Post by: MrMarkBakalor on November 08, 2003, 11:22:01 AM: Quote from: JMK on November 08, 2003, 08:24:19 AM
I certainly don't want to whine, but once again the Board logged me off for having the temerity not to post every day. Then logging back in became an effort (though, I must admit, not the three-day travail it was last time).

This is to be expected because we moved to a different server and the cookie is server independent. You shouldn't have to login again now that your cookie has been saved for this server.
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Post by: Emily on November 08, 2003, 11:29:37 AM: Good morning everyone!

Hold on *checks clock*

Good afternoon everyone! I slept very late today and then went out for a nice long breakfast (scrambled eggs with smoked salmon... yum) with the family. Free breakfast paid by mom! Yippee! :D

Jennifer: when I let the cat in last night there was snow and it was sticking and not instantaneously melting. When I woke up this morning it was gone. Maybe the snow realized that it is far too early for it to have turned up and disappeared. :)

Mark: my profile still isn't working. I have a very nice seasonal pic I want to put up and feel very sad that I can't :(

I am *almost* finished paper #1 that will be due this week. Later on, I'll post it as an attachment so that any kind Hainsies or Kimlets with an interest in Canadian Provincial Politics can edit it for me. Volunteer now, I don't want you all fighting over that opportunity :)
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Post by: Jane on November 08, 2003, 11:35:23 AM: Ben, definitely “good vibes”. How old are his children? It will be so hard on all of you.
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 11:45:28 AM: My nephew is 9 and my niece is 7.
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Post by: Jennifer on November 08, 2003, 11:52:38 AM: DR Ben wrote:
Quote
Jennifer, in NYC we have Street Fairs in the summer ... You rarely find anything of interest at these things. It's the same bad ethnic food, cheap socks, cheap bedding (sheets, pillows, comforters, etc.) loud house mix CDs, etc., etc., etc., (a King and I reference). They have lost their allure for me. They rarely have any kind of "craft" booth or much art other than kitschy things.

I have been to a few of those in NYC. And while I do like them. You are right, most of them don't have the types of crafts I was referring to. But I have seen some crafty type things there.

Btw, the "new" button did work this time! Yay.
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Post by: Jennifer on November 08, 2003, 11:54:55 AM: Well I must separate my posts in order to have more of them. But I cannot make this too long, as I am preparing poutine. Yummy!

Today is the coldest day ever. I just came in and it is freezing. I don't know the exact temp. But I guess it is somewhere around 30ish. Yuck, yuck, yuck.
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Post by: Jennifer on November 08, 2003, 11:57:20 AM: One more before I go. I did go to the craft fairs this morning. I was not planning on going to the better one today. But my aunt called and asked me to meet her. And the best part was 1) my favorite fudge lady was there. And 2) my uncle bought me fudge and earrings for housesitting for them (well the whole thing only cost like $15, but it was still nice).
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Post by: Jane on November 08, 2003, 12:04:37 PM: My karma went up a notch. Shall I do some kind of celebration dance or wait until I finally become a jr. member?
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Post by: Jrand73 on November 08, 2003, 12:07:50 PM: (http://www.travellady.com/Issues/Issue57/Images/dameedna.jpg)

Oh my way to dinner and then An Evening With Dame Edna: The Show that Cares!

Hopefully I will NOT be chosen to participate!
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Post by: Jane on November 08, 2003, 12:09:51 PM: I forgot, Jay, I enjoy your dry sense of humor.
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Post by: Jrand73 on November 08, 2003, 12:11:01 PM: Good vibes to Ben and his brother & family!

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Post by: Jane on November 08, 2003, 12:15:49 PM: Ben, I hope your brother returns before your nephew turns ten, a very difficult year for most boys. I hope your sister-in law and the children have a lot of support around them. I remember how difficult it was when Keith traveled extensively. I’m sure that was nothing compared to what they will have to deal with.
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Post by: bk on November 08, 2003, 12:21:02 PM: Done. On my way home to relax and hopefully feel better. Will post shortly.
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Post by: Craig on November 08, 2003, 12:28:53 PM: You already posted shortly. Next time, post LOOOOONNNNGGGGLLLLLYYYY
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 12:45:45 PM: Hitchcock: "Spellbound", Chaplin: "Limelite", Capra: "Arsenic & Old Lace", Polanski: "The Tennant".
And now to go back and read the posts.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 12:47:04 PM: When JRand53 returns to the forum this evening, he will require much sympathy and understaning from us, because if I know Dame Edna, she will have had his face contorted with hysterical laughter for nearly two hours.

JRand will be a pathetic figure....he will look as if he has been injected many times with Botox. He will be unable to smile or frown or make any sort of facial moue of any kind for at least 24 hours.

And if he is as unfortunate as I was last spring, his facial muscles will feel the results of all this hysterical laughing well into next week.

Oh, yes! There is a price to pay when one wrangles with Dame Edna!

:D
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Post by: Jane on November 08, 2003, 12:55:45 PM: Echo and I are off to do visit our local nursing home. Unfortunately we have not been able to visit too often these last few months. It will be a difficult visit for me as one of my friends, a direct descendant of Johnny Appleseed,
passed away since my last visit. The first time we met him, almost five years ago, he had an oatmeal cookie resting on a shelf on his motorized wheelchair. Echo tried to eat it. We would always laugh at Echo, after all these years, still looking there for treats though he made sure to move them before her arrival.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 01:05:25 PM: Good vibes Ben to your brother and the whole family at this time.
I hope DR Jrand is not late to the performance. Dame Edna will of course give the correct pronunciation of all words. It is interesting to compare her "regional accent "authentic Moonee Ponds" to that of her close friend Barry who is very much from the leafy suburb of Camberwell - a world away (less than 10 miles) from the Dame's part of town.
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Post by: TCB on November 08, 2003, 01:21:38 PM: Thank you, Jrand for the Oliver referrence! Speaking of which, I am off to rehearsal very shortly to once again teach my little charges how to pick a pocket or two. (Oh a …. Never mind we knew that)

Question of the Day

Polanski: I am not a great Polanski fan, but I guess I would choose The Pianist
Chaplin: City Lights
Keaton: Sherlock Jr.
Sturges: The Miracle of Mogan’s Creek
Von Sternberg: Shanghai Express I almost said China Express until I remembered that is the name of the place in Safeway that sells the nasty Chinese food.
Capra: Meet John Doe I know it is preachy, but I could watch it again and again.
Hitchcock There are so many incredible Hitchcock films to choose from so this one is tough. However, I think I will have to go with Saboteur with Bob Cummings, not to be confused with Sabotage.
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Post by: bk on November 08, 2003, 01:27:00 PM: I'm finally home - went and did a big grocery shopping at Gelson's - haven't been shopping in three weeks.

Now, I shall relax - let's keep the posting going strong, because it's such a source of excellent entertainment for me.

And smilies are now fine.

(http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung0903/lachen/laughing-smiley-007.gif)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 01:31:58 PM: DR Tom from OZ: It's quite interesting to note that dear Barry Humphries is the voice of the menacing shark in "Finding Nemo"!!!!

Chew on that, possums!

And no whining! We will have no whines before their time! Hmmm....is that an Orson Welles reference???)
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 01:45:38 PM: DR Ron: Indeed it sounded very much like Sir Les Pattterson to me. (I am not sure that Humphries has been game enough to introduce the gross Mr Patterson to USA audiences - He is now cultural attaché to Baghdad).
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 01:46:48 PM: TCB: Enjoy your rehearsal but "Be Back Soon".
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Post by: Craig on November 08, 2003, 01:56:07 PM: I hope TCB reviewed his situation before leaving..
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Post by: Jed on November 08, 2003, 02:00:19 PM: Happy Saturday, one and all, all and one! So far I'm doing a wonderful Saturday job of lounging about like so much fish.

On to the topic d'jour...
Chaplin - City Lights
von Sternberg - The Blue Angel (only one I've seen)
Hitchcock - Strangers on a Train, with Rear Window right up there with it
Polanski - The Pianist (never really been a big fan of Chinatown)
Capra - Mr. Smith Goes to Washington

Haven't seen any directed by Keaton or Sturges.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 02:07:28 PM: DR Craig. I ho hope so - if he wants to consider himself one of us. I am still practising my vowel sounds Jed. As long as I don't end up like a New Zealander with my vowel sounds completely reverses.
"Fish and Chips" becomes "Fesh and Cheps" and the number six becomes "Sex"!
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 02:12:12 PM: Let me WHINE, please!

Why is it that some pages are W I D E R than the regular screen of the computer?

It's so darn annoying!

Don't i whine beautifully!

Now, i'm checking the info re Polanski to answer Michael from Florida.... and we'll let you know my answers to the question du jour, -- I know you're ALL dying for that! -- aware that i can only choose from the films I'VE SEEN, since, unfortunatelly, i have'nt seen them all... Things to do when i retire.....;
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 02:13:36 PM: Some Australians (Queenslanders) pronounce Bison and Basin with much the same sound! I avoid the confusion and talk about Buffalo.
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 02:14:07 PM: I'd rather have SEX than FESH

BUT usually get FESH instead of SEX!!!

What ES THES? FESH?
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 02:15:42 PM: I think that Whining is much more acceptable now that you are a full member François.
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 02:28:24 PM: Bison Street Blues??
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 02:32:42 PM: Oh, but full member or not, Whining is the sujet du jour, isn't it?
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 02:33:58 PM: [move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]No matter what your status is, whining can get you bitch-slapped.[/move]

I received four new (to me) DVDs in today's mail: "Tootsie", "Lost Horizon" (Capra), "Notorious" and "Spellbound." Isn't that amazing. All four titles have been mentioned on this here forum just today!

I bought the two Criterion titles (Notorious and Spellbound) because a reliable source announced that Criterion will be discontinuing these titles, along with "Rebecca" and "Straw Dogs." "Lost Horizon" I found new and drastically discounted. The two Hitchcocks were bought "used" but they both had shrinkwrap on them. Only "Tootsie" came from the Amazon.com warehouse.

The day here is gray and dreary, but thus far, we've had minmal rainfall. We're supposed to be seeing buckets of rain. Perhaps the storm changed its path.

Perhaps it's stalled. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps....(is that a "DoDo" Day reference?).
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 02:40:10 PM: Re: DR TCB -- I'm sure everything will work out fine, just so long as he doesn't get "Oom-Pah-Pahed" by disgruntled street urchins and bar maids.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 02:44:21 PM: Sounds all "Strictly Ballroom " to me Ron. Perhaps?
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 02:46:52 PM: Quote from: Tom from OZ on November 08, 2003, 01:45:38 PM
DR Ron: Indeed it sounded very much like Sir Les Pattterson to me. (I am not sure that Humphries has been game enough to introduce the gross Mr Patterson to USA audiences - He is now cultural attaché to Baghdad).

Les Patterson and Eric Bana provide the voices for the other sea creatures in FINDING NEMO.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 02:47:46 PM: More specifically, yes. "Strictly Ballroom" is the source at which I heard the song last. ;D

But isn't Doris Day the vocalist? Or no?

td: Thanks for that. Eric Bana is, of course, "The Hulk." But until DR TFO brought up Les Patterson as a BH/DE entity, I'd have never known.

FASCINATING! (...and imagine hearing this in the voice of Dame Edna, "Spoo-ky").
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 02:52:46 PM: Quote from: Tom from OZ on November 08, 2003, 01:45:38 PM
DR Ron: Indeed it sounded very much like Sir Les Pattterson to me. (I am not sure that Humphries has been game enough to introduce the gross Mr Patterson to USA audiences - He is now cultural attaché to Baghdad).

Isn't Les the Australian David Letterman? ? ?
There's a clip of him on the audio/visual commentary of NEMO.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 02:55:24 PM: Les Patterson is Barry Humphries! (or is it the other way around?)
Indeed it was Strictly Doris. I was just trying to give your statement an OZ connection.
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Post by: Jed on November 08, 2003, 02:56:54 PM: So, can someone clear up this mystery for me?

What are the different pronunciations for fairy, ferry, Mary, merry, and marry??? Around these parts we use the open-mid front unrounded vowel for all of them (Who am I, Henry Higgins all of a sudden?). If I could figure out how to type a fershluganah epsilon in here, I'd show it in IPA!
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 02:57:37 PM: (http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0266543/FNC-156.jpg)

That's Barry Humphries as Bruce in the center, flanked by Bruce Spence and Erik Bana.
Spence - Chum - has the pierced nosed, Bana, Anchor the hammerhead.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 02:58:29 PM: Dame Edna can not stand being on the stage with Sir Les Patterson. She loathes him. He has such class! If Australians suffer cultural cringe with Dame Edna it is far far far worse when Sir Les appears on stage.
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 02:59:15 PM: So does anybody else remember that Barry Humphries was in the sequal to THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 03:03:31 PM: DR JED: In the colonies we rhyme Fairy with Hairy, Marry with Harry and Ferry with DR Kerry. We still tend to use the Oxford pronumciations (with an OZ drawl). What would we know?
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 03:04:45 PM: Humphries was the Undertaker in the original cast (and recording) of "Oliver" too.
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Post by: Jed on November 08, 2003, 03:12:53 PM: Quote from: Tom from OZ on November 08, 2003, 03:03:31 PM
DR JED: In the colonies we rhyme Fairy with Hairy, Marry with Harry and Ferry with DR Kerry. We still tend to use the Oxford pronumciations (with an OZ drawl). What would we know?

Ahh!!! You can add hairy, Harry, and Kerry to the list of words that have the same vowel sound as fairy, ferry, Mary, merry, and marry in the NW US. My how boring our accent is turning out to be!!! Everything sounds the same!
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Post by: George on November 08, 2003, 03:15:31 PM: Quote from: td on November 08, 2003, 02:59:15 PM
So does anybody else remember that Barry Humphries was in the sequal to THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

I do! ;D Shock Treatment. I've got the album! (an Oh, Brother! reference--does anyone know that show??)
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 03:18:26 PM: When I do visit the NW to take up my honorary residency etc. no-one will understand a word I say.
When I was on a plane from NYC to New Orleans, the lady sitting next to me wondered from what part Of NY I had come as my accent was so different. (She was from NY). I of course sound like a cross between Anthony Warlow and Hugh Jackman. (Not Russell Crowe who is from NZ).
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 03:19:19 PM: Oooooh! I just karma-ed George. I hope it was as good for him as it was for me. . .
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 03:21:56 PM: I'm having a grin imagining JRand recruited by Dame Edna to be doing something onstage about now.

Perhaps, in an hour, JRand will be hauled off to dress up as a member of the Royal Family!

I do envy him the merriment of the moment!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 03:23:07 PM: DR TFO: Do you "realize" that you are but 24 posts from being a Sr. Member with four stars?
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Post by: George on November 08, 2003, 03:27:58 PM: Quote from: td on November 08, 2003, 03:19:19 PM
Oooooh! I just karma-ed George. I hope it was as good for him as it was for me. . .

Thanks, td! You made my day.

The Playbill.com article that is announcing the concert version of Wonderful Town to be broadcast on PBS in December has a picture of both Audra McDonald and the World's Sexiest Man Alive, Brent Barrett.

Here's the link to the article: http://www.playbill.com/news/article/82631.html

and here's the picture (I couldn't resist):
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Post by: George on November 08, 2003, 03:30:05 PM: Quote from: Jane on November 08, 2003, 11:20:26 AM
George-the happy face went straight from the computer to my face.

And a karma point for you, Jane! ;D
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 03:30:27 PM: And such an exclusive club too. I hope there is no language requirement. Now you know why I never join the chat. No-one would be able to understand me!
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Post by: George on November 08, 2003, 03:30:48 PM: After this post, only 5 (five) more posts until I'm a Full Member!
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Post by: Jennifer on November 08, 2003, 03:36:30 PM: OMG, how cute are these?

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Post by: Michael on November 08, 2003, 03:38:18 PM: Yesterdays topic title was a day early as this afternoon I went to see regional produciton of The Alergist's Wife. The only person I recognized in the cast was Meg Foster who played the Michelle Lee role and I believe the actress who played the mother in NYC also played it here.

Both my mother and I were disappointed. We thought it was supposed to be a laugh riot from what we heard from friends of ours. This was not the case. I don't know if they got the wrong actors for the part but it wasn't that good. We both felt that the actress who played the Linda Lavin/Valerie Harper role played it pitch too loud and one note. Not sure if she was directedf that way. Also it wasn;t until the end of the play that I realized that the actor playing ther husband was channeling Albert Brooks during the performance.

Has anyone seen the play and has a similar thought or really enjoyed it?

(http://www.footlightsgallery.com/imagelg/wife.jpg)
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Post by: Jennifer on November 08, 2003, 03:40:55 PM: I am so confused. How can "marry", "mary", and "merry" all be prounounced the same? Here "mary" and "merry" are the same (like fairy, or ferry, or hairy). But MARRY is like HARRY or CARRIE.

I'm cracking myself up by saying "marry" like "mary". MARY ME! :)
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Post by: Jennifer on November 08, 2003, 03:44:04 PM: Since I'm hungry I figured I'd check out the food and drink smilies. There are some funny ones:

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Post by: Jennifer on November 08, 2003, 03:48:20 PM: DR Ben, I just gave you some karma. So sorry to hear your news. I hope your brother will be okay.

Btw, a few DRs mentioned that their karma was taken away. Please don't "boo" or take away karma. There is enough bad stuff in the world. Here we need to be positive and give good vibes!
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 03:51:28 PM: George, I know Oh, Brother. I don't know the show well, but I have the CD (it was done by Original Cast Records in CT). It was not a success so I missed it when it played here but I love the song What Do I Tell People This Time?. It had some good people, Judy Kaye, Harry Groener, Joe Morton and David-James Carroll. Oh, well (or should I say Oh, Brother).

BK uses (or used) the Pepsi smilie alot. If he's sick he shouldn't be drinking Pepsi. Maybe chicken soup or tea or chicken tea or something like that.
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 03:53:11 PM: Thank you Jennifer. You're a sweetheart!

Now, since I pulled it out, I will go listen to Oh, Brother and Miss Judy Kaye.
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Post by: Emily on November 08, 2003, 03:55:07 PM: Taken from the McGill University Reporter - the University's Monthly Magazine on Campus Research (November 21, 2002)

Speaking of Montreal

By Maeve Haldane

Quick -- say "Mary was merry when she went to marry."

(https://upload.mcgill.ca/reporter/3506boberg.jpg)
Linguistics professor Charles Boberg
PHOTO: Owen Egan

If you pronounced Mary, merry and marry differently, you are from a) New York, b) England or c) Montreal.

"In English, variations tell you where people come from," says Linguistics professor Charles Boberg. As for the above sentence, most North American English speakers pronounce the words m/ary/erry/arry the same way, save for us Montrealers, who distinguish between "merry" and "marry," and our New York cousins, who differentiate them all, just like the British.

How the world's languages are rendered is the stuff of linguists. Boberg specializes in North American varieties of spoken English; and has turned his finely tuned ear towards Montreal.

Boberg says a good listener can tell what region folks are from by the vocabulary they use. If a group is casually discussing furniture and one fellow refers to his chesterfield, he's probably an older Canadian (whose daughter nonetheless might say "couch"). An American west coaster's soda is a Midwesterner's pop is an old-school Bostonian's tonic. To us Montrealers they are soft drinks, and pop to the rest of Canada. If a new gal in the office calls the water fountain a bubbler, impress her by guessing she's from Milwaukee. And where else in North America would you hear an English speaker say, "I'll take the autoroute to the dépanneur"?

Distinctions can be heard in grammatical structure, too. For example, as a social indicator, "I didn't buy no apples," would be said by someone who is working class, or trying to be, yet the semantic meaning, "I didn't buy any apples" is clear.

"People basically self-construct themselves socially," Boberg says. Just like what kind of car or house they buy or clothes they wear, how someone talks pegs their status. "People change the way they speak as an indicator of social situation."

Another way speakers mark themselves is by pronunciation, Boberg says, especially of their vowel sounds. Do you pronounce leisure to rhyme with seizure or pleasure? This difference can be heard easily and written orthographically (like the "ee" in meet or the "e" in met). Even finer distinctions, like the slightly varied vowel sound in "couch" as said by an American or a Canadian, can be represented by using the International Phonetic Alphabet. The IPA is a system of symbols that can represent sounds, including tone variations, force, and even where in the mouth the sound is formed.

But what if the subtleties in sound are too fine to pinpoint, or seem different to each researcher? "The problem with the ear is it's not so consistent," Boberg says.

Technology can be more reliable. "A computer decomposes those sound waves to their component frequencies," says Boberg, which brings precision to an auditorily fine field. Speak a few words into a microphone and the software Computerized Speech Lab renders your utterances visually, giving an acoustic analysis of the vowels.

Boberg explains that "a spectrogram shows different peaks of energy in the speech signal, called formants, which indicate the precise position of the tongue in the mouth during the production of a vowel. By measuring the frequency of these formants, we can get a more accurate record of tongue position than we do by listening and transcribing. The frequencies of the first two formants are correlated with the vertical and horizontal positions of the tongue, respectively, and together, they are reliable indicators of vowel quality that can be used to distinguish sounds."

Boberg uses these tools to analyze how English Montrealers sound. He's broken down native English speakers in Montreal into three groups: the Anglo Montrealers of British descent, who predominantly live in the West Island, Westmount or NDG, or in pockets of Verdun or Pointe St. Charles; those with an East-European Jewish background, who have Yiddish as a base; and Mediterraneans of south European extraction, "like Italians who may not be fluent in Italian, but still use it at home."

Anglo Montrealers sound mostly like English speakers in the rest of Canada, Boberg says, but if you include native English speakers of Jewish or Italian descent, Montreal English sounds quite different.

"In Montreal, English is a minority language," Boberg says. There are two factors behind the variation in Montreal's English-speaking ethnic communities, he adds. "There is a weak English model, because French is dominant, and there's self-segregation in homogenous neighbourhoods." For example, Italians who live in St. Léonard go to high schools where 80 percent of the students are Italian.

Research like his contribute to understanding the nature of language in ethnically diverse urban communities, and add to the complexity of describing speech for comparative purposes, Boberg says. If we compared English spoken in Montreal to that of Toronto, we'd get a different comparison depending on which Montreal English was used.

How a speech community came to be demonstrates how groups socialized. For example, the white population of Detroit a hundred years ago was quite mixed, ethnically. But today, due to the American melting pot, they sound more alike than not. Yet the English spoken there may have once been as diverse as Montreal's today.

How we speak gives us a deep connection to a sense of being Canadian. "The traditional areas of folk culture have been replaced by modern culture -- we no longer have traditional folk dances," Boberg says. "One of the few differences between Canada and the US is still the way we speak."

Now, with his pilot project out of the way, he'll be collecting interviews with 72 Montrealers of various ethnic and social backgrounds, and examining how those factors interact to determine how they speak. He's funded by the Fonds québécois de la recherche sur la société et la culture.

Boberg grew up in a multi-dialectical household -- all grist for the budding linguist's mill. His mother was from London, England, his father from Alberta, they lived in the mid-west US, then Edmonton (and he watched Monty Python). "That gave me a flexibility," he said, crucial for grasping the variables that go into creating language.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 04:04:52 PM: Thanks Emily. All I have to do now is decide whether I am from Montreal, New York or England.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 04:09:18 PM: Merry as in berry

Mary was in wary

Marry as in carry.

Of course, if you pronounce all the second words the same way, we're back to square one.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 04:13:41 PM: I have just been to feed my regular visitors:
Another reason for not living in a city.
(http://)
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 04:15:20 PM: Does that mean you too Ron are from Montreal, NY or England? So much for Canadian academics.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 04:17:10 PM: By the way, these birds are sitting about 10 feet away from where I am typing this note.
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Post by: Jay on November 08, 2003, 04:22:12 PM: Dear Reader Ben--Good vibes to you and your brother and his family.

Dear Reader Jane--Thank you! (That makes you and my Mom.)

Dear Reader MDS--Regarding Allergist's Wife: I thought the first two and half acts were funny, in a sort of Neil Simon-updated sort of way. Last half of third act not funny and rather weird. (I saw it with Valerie Harper, Michele Lee and Tony Roberts.)

Dear Readers: I saw Elf this afternoon. It's cute (not precious, but cute) and funny. I've never seen Will Ferrell before (I've told you I don't watch television) and he does the childlike (not childish) wonder and joy schtick very well, without becoming irritating. Bob Newhart is excellent, as well. I suspect this picture will take off, as it appeals to youngsters and--with some very clever almost-below-the-radar humor--adults, both.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 04:23:15 PM: Gosh, TFO, those birds are beautiful!

But, do they poop on your deck?

Is that why there is such a thing as a poop deck?

Maybe the poop deck was directly below the masts where the seagulls perched?

At any rate, a good hosing off will take care of the poop of those little guys.

They're gorgeous. What kind of birds are they?
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 04:27:07 PM: And no, TFO, I'm not from any of those places.

But I am a citizen of the world. Been there, done that, that sort of thing.

Lost my southern accent decades ago, although down South, we do take care how we pronounce words, although we may draw(l) them out a bit.

Mary normally has a long "A" (the one in "may")

The "air" in Fairy has the same sound as "air".

The "err" in Merry has the sam sound as "err."
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Post by: TCB on November 08, 2003, 04:36:32 PM: Oliver.... why not take all of her.......

Ah yes, Oliver puns. Thank you Tom, Craig, and Ron. I went all the way to Gig Harbor for rehearsal, only to find out that it was cancelled and no one bothered to tell me. Do I detect some anti-fagin sentiment in Gig Harbor?
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Post by: Danise on November 08, 2003, 04:38:07 PM: Tom from Oz--pardon me while I ooooh here. They are beautiful! What are they? Some kind of a parrot from the look of them.

Do you feed them?

D
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 04:39:23 PM: One Rosella and two male King Parrots. The female King Parrots (no not Queens) are emerald green. At times they are hand fed. We have also had cockatoos feeding here this morning.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 04:40:29 PM: Hey! I just answered Danise without knowing it.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 04:41:36 PM: And Fagin has returned! Oom Pa Pas all round.
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Post by: Danise on November 08, 2003, 04:44:48 PM: Lucky you! I wish I could feed the birds here but the lady next door has a million cats (I think I am under counting there). I don't think it would be fair to lure them with birdseed so the cats could get them. :( :(

I'm running in and out of the house to watch the lunar eclipse! We've got a lot of cloud cover so it's making it hard to see.

D
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Post by: Jay on November 08, 2003, 04:45:31 PM: I shall be attending a performance of the Pasadena Symphony this evening. The program includes:

Brahms--Piano Concerto No. 1 in D minor, op. 15
Vaughan Williams--Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis
Britten--Variations and Fugue on a Theme of Purcell, op. 34

(When narrated, the latter piece is also known as "The Young Person's Guide to the Orchestra.")

Jorge Mester conducts and Dubravka Tomsic (unknown to me) will be the soloist in the concerto.
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Post by: Jane on November 08, 2003, 04:51:13 PM: Jennifer, they are very cute!!
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 04:52:27 PM: I feel a touch hypocritical posting photographs but at least we are not inundated today.
The next will be for DR TCB as I know he likes quantity as well as quality
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Post by: Jane on November 08, 2003, 04:59:55 PM: Jennifer, are you saying if we click on boo it will reduce the number of Karma points?

Tom from Oz, if those beautiful birds are in your back yard, I’m on my way.
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Post by: TCB on November 08, 2003, 05:00:54 PM: I am glad you are all having so much fun mocking your friends from the great Northwest. We, who gave the world, Bing Crosby, Dorothy Provine, and Brendan Fraser?

And you, Mr. Oz are in danger of losing your Washington State citizenship.
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 05:06:00 PM: DR MDS,

Between customers and after some research I did find that Roman polanski was in a production of Waiting For Godot but as an actor only....

Here it is :

En attendant Godot (USA, 1988, 140 mins)
Visual Press, "Beckett Directs Beckett" series
Directed by: Walter Asmus
Cast: Roman Polanski, Rufus, Jean-François Balmer, Jean-Pierre Jorris
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Post by: William E. Lurie on November 08, 2003, 05:06:15 PM: Less than three weeks until we have about 14 guests for Thanksgiving (all Ray's relatives) so we've started Operation Clean Apartment today. We made a good dent but have a lot to do. Since we have tickets for several plays and operas between now and then we have to take advantage of the time we have.

We did go to a movie --- a rare occurance --- last night to see Charles Busch in DIE MOMMIE DIE (not to be confused with Susan Gordon's PICTURE MOMMY DEAD). Busch stars and may or may not have written it depending on if you believe the credits on the film which say he did or the poster in front which says they are legally required to say someone else wrote it. The big surprise was in the end credits: Additional Music by Grant Geissman. (BK - did you mention this and I missed it?) The film was pure camp from start to finish and if you've ever seen a Bertte Davis, Joan Crawford or Susan Hayward film, don't miss this. Unlike FAR FROM HEAVEN, another homage to the films of this ilk, DIE MOMMY DIE is both homage and spoof at the same time.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 05:07:49 PM: Would you believe a third try? These pesky birds area delight but very demanding.(http://)
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 05:16:21 PM: Boy, Tom from Oz, you sure do have Disneyland's Enchanted Tiki Room, with its Birdmobile, right in your own backyard!

Altogether now:

Let's All Sing Like The Birdies Sing
Tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet!
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 05:16:49 PM: Another holiday not celebrated in OZ WEL. I guess convicts were not the same as Pilgrims. We do give Christmas a holiday - and no we don't all throw prawns etc on to the Barbeque.
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Post by: TCB on November 08, 2003, 05:19:19 PM: Good grief, WEL, 14 for Thanksgiving? You must have a huge apartment, or Ray must have very small relatives.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 05:21:54 PM: Maybe hobbits from New Zealand.
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Post by: TCB on November 08, 2003, 05:22:58 PM: No, no, no.......... you Aussies are always getting it wrong. It's shrimp on the barbee, not prawns on the barbecue.
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Post by: MusicGuy on November 08, 2003, 05:23:24 PM: Good early evening DRs.......

and Happy Saturday to esteemed BK.....

Just a short note at the moment, and then time to shave the punim! DR Kerry and I are going for a short while to a "new kitchen celebration" being thrown by a couple of guys who live right here in our neighborhood.

For the TOTD:

Buster Keaton.......I'm not too familiar with what he directed, and what he didn't. But he is in a silent comedy, where he basically puts together a "kit" house; of course, things don't go well, and it is very well thought out comedy.

Frank Capra -- Pocketful Of Miracles. I know, others are more successful, but this one has a long (and not with a happy ending) story associated with it for me.

Von Sternberg -- Shanghai Express

Hitchcock -- North By Northwest

and I'm sorry to say, I flunk the Preston Sturges department.

Well, I'm off to razor-land......UGH!!! >:( (whine)
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Post by: Danise on November 08, 2003, 05:24:21 PM: I think it's time for a ooooh awwwww again! :) :) :) :)
Look at all the "Freds"!!!
D
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Post by: bk on November 08, 2003, 05:34:49 PM: What a lovely bunch of posts for a Saturday.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 05:35:43 PM: TCB: Can you tell I don't eat shellfish? No not even lobster or clam. I would have lucked out in Carousel. I have been known to partake of seafood chowder but only if the alternative was asparagus or beetroot. And no I don't order kangaroo tail soup either. Which reminds me. When is Jose going to post his Joey pictures?
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 05:36:49 PM: Are you sure that is the collective noun for posts BK? I thought it was a fence of posts.
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Post by: bk on November 08, 2003, 05:37:04 PM: I, in fact, had written a much lengthier post and had clicked "post" and got an error message, then when I went back I'd lost the whole damn post. I cannot join the Mary fray for never, never will I Mary. To me, they all sound the same - Mary, merry, airy, Carrie, fairy, dairy, hairy, carry, Larry, Sherry, nary, Perry, scary, wary, Barry
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 05:37:12 PM: Thanksgiving, thanks giving, giving thanks... is all that is given in the States!!

One has to PAY for everything else!!

-- oh, boy! am i going to jumped on for that... and I may like it!? -- ;)
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Post by: TCB on November 08, 2003, 05:43:10 PM: That's okay, Mr. Oz, but if we are going to continue to patronizingly stereotype you and your countrymen, then you have to, at least, say it correctly.
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Post by: Danise on November 08, 2003, 05:44:48 PM: I don't eat seafood either. I cheat and take fish oil in a gel cap.

D
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Post by: Jed on November 08, 2003, 06:04:08 PM: Quote from: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 04:09:18 PM
Merry as in berry
Mary was in wary
Marry as in carry.

Of course, if you pronounce all the second words the same way, we're back to square one.

Ahhhh!!!!!! I DO pronounce them all the same! :D These last two days discussions have made me decide that the Northwestern US accent has to be the most boring of all.
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Post by: Emily on November 08, 2003, 06:11:47 PM: sorry Tom... but the guy IS a specialist in North American English dialects
:(
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 06:17:45 PM: What? Not one single response from TFO -- or a sharp retort from ANYone -- about my "poop on the deck" post?

The one drawback to all that beauty is the copious amount of droppings they leave in their wake.

I know, I know, no one wants to go there!

But not even Bruce who has a fondness for copraphiliacal word play?

Copra! Copracabana!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 06:22:03 PM: DR François: Hey! Dude, man! What kind of birds can you see where you live? Anything OTHER than winged rats (pigeons)?????

Does Paris have any aviaries? What are the common birds of Parigi, Luigi?

While I'm at it, I am a huge fan of "Gigi" and wonder if the building that housed the Palais de Glace still stands. What is it used for, if it remains?
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Post by: TCB on November 08, 2003, 06:40:15 PM: Don't worry Jed, we are right, they are wrong.

Mr. Oz has gotten strangely quiet. Must be something he ate.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 06:40:20 PM: DR Jed: Who cares about our vowels (as long as they are regular). Washingtonians are interesting people and that's what is important. (I speak as one with dual citizenship of course).
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 06:42:22 PM: Sorry Ron. Guess I was just too pooped to respond. the pigeons are the only birds who poop on the deck.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 06:42:52 PM: TCB: A bear has been using my computer.
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Post by: TCB on November 08, 2003, 06:46:34 PM: Quote from: Tom from OZ on November 08, 2003, 06:42:52 PM
TCB: A bear has been using my computer.

Oh my God! Be still my heart.
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 06:47:35 PM: Hey, Ron dude!

I did enjoy your poop deck comments but did not have time to post! No one reacted no more than anyone has noticed a karma inflation lately

Oh well! :-\ We, humans tend to be too "negative" at times!

YES, the Palais des Glaces is still around and now is a theater! Speaking of the ice rink and Gigi, Jacques Bergerac has just published his biography!
Remember; he married Ginger and.... Dorothy Malone!

I haven't seen or read ze book yet!

Loads of birds in Paris! I remember reading an article about a gentleman who's crazy about birds and goes everyday to the Jardins des Tuileries, to see them and feeds them. He knows all of them -- in all the meaning of "know"-- (he's given names to some!) and they all are quite "familiar" with him....
He might be a reincarnation of St Francis of Assisis, who knows?

more later
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 06:51:46 PM: Tom,

I've seen your picture and you sure don't look like Goldie Hawn, i mean, Goldilocks!

Bear and grin it, my friend!
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 06:55:51 PM: Tom the bird man!

You don't say!

Walter pooped on your deck while Humphrey used your computer?

Quite a fairy tale!
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 06:57:11 PM: Loneliness Of The Evening........

WITIE????
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 06:58:37 PM: Oh, oh!

Who is wlajb, say I?
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 07:00:52 PM: Apparently... a 953 year old male from West LA!
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Post by: Michael on November 08, 2003, 07:05:43 PM: Quote from: Jay on November 08, 2003, 04:22:12 PM
Dear Reader Ben--Good vibes to you and your brother and his family.

Dear Reader Jane--Thank you! (That makes you and my Mom.)

Dear Reader MDS--Regarding Allergist's Wife: I thought the first two and half acts were funny, in a sort of Neil Simon-updated sort of way. Last half of third act not funny and rather weird. (I saw it with Valerie Harper, Michele Lee and Tony Roberts.).

3 acts??? Did we see the same show. There were only 2 acts in the version I saw.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 07:06:20 PM: So how do you know of Humphrey Bear François?
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Post by: Michael on November 08, 2003, 07:09:58 PM: A karma point for Francois answer regarding Polanski and Waiting For Godot/
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Post by: George on November 08, 2003, 07:10:24 PM: Quote from: Jed on November 08, 2003, 06:04:08 PM
Quote from: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 04:09:18 PM
Merry as in berry
Mary was in wary
Marry as in carry.

Of course, if you pronounce all the second words the same way, we're back to square one.

Ahhhh!!!!!! I DO pronounce them all the same! :D These last two days discussions have made me decide that the Northwestern US accent has to be the most boring of all.

Jed, I've always pronounced all of those vowels in the same way, as well. And I wouldn't say that our PNW accent is "boring," I would say "consistent."

Years ago, I did notice that on the cast album of Company the first syllables of “Larry” and “Harry” were pronounced with the same vowel sound as in "bad." I thought that it was just because it was a stage play and the actors had to enunciate.
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 07:11:19 PM: Oh, I don't know, Tom! I guess i'm just smart! ;D

Well, I mainly was thinking of Disney's Humphrey Bear shorts -- NOT bermudas! -- so i don't come out that smart after all! :-[
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 07:13:24 PM: DR François: I do believe the depth of your comment about wlajb may have flown way over many heads...certainly high enough for us to duck for cover less we be pooped on.

But surely a production of JB wouldn't find its way to west LA???? They don't deal with age there.
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Post by: Maya on November 08, 2003, 07:14:24 PM: Hello everyone!

Just woke up from a nap after having gone out with some friends who treated me to a makeover as an early birthday present (VERY early present...my birthday isn't until the end of December). Anyway, we went to a place called Salon Privé to get my hair done, and I now sport a shorter, more layered 'do. Then we went to the Clinique stand at Macy's and we all had our make-up done; my friend ended up buying me some lip gloss and eye shadow. It was so nice of my friends to do this for me, especially when one considers how low-maintenance I am about hair and make-up. But a little change to boost one's self-confidence is always nice, don't you agree?

Ben--good vibes to you and your brother! I hope he stays safe and out of harm's way! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

MDS--I did see Tale of the Allergist's Wife. I saw it free soon after I moved to NYC two years ago for school--there was a karaoke thing going on near Times Square to promote that year's Broadway on Broadway, and I ended up singing Second Hand Rose (not very well either) in exchange for free theatre tickets! I enjoyed the show quite a bit, and thought it was very funny even if the characters were less than three dimensional. It made me interested in seeing more of Charles Busch's work, so I may have to get around to seeing Die, Mommy, Die as well as the film they did of Psycho Beach Party a few years back.

Well, I'm off to watch A Mighty Wind with my parents....I think they have begun to forget what I look like. ;)
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 07:14:52 PM: DR MDS,

THANKS for the karma!

One thing I could not clarify: it seems that that production of Waiting, with Polanski and the French actors was in the States! The same director, same year, produced another version for TV, with American actors of course...

Ain't that just too too?
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Post by: François on November 08, 2003, 07:26:20 PM: Oh, DR MDS!

Here's the whole story.... which is not for the birds!

Beckett Directs Beckett

Waiting for Godot

Produced by Mitchell Lifton and Jean-Pierre Cottet
Directed by Walter D. Asmus

English
Estragon: Lawrence Held
Vladimir: Bud Thorpe
Lucky: Alan Mandell
Pozzo: Rick Cluchey
The Boy: Louis Beckett Cluchey

French
Estragon: Jean-Francois Blamer
Vladimir: Rufus
Lucky: Roman Polanski
Pozzo: Jean-Pierre Jorris
L'enfant: Philippe Deschamps

Krapp's Last Tape

Produced by Mitchell Lifton
and Jean-Pierre Cottet
Directed by Walter D. Asmus

English
Krapp: Rick Cluchey

French
Krapp: Roland Bertin

Comments
In 1985, Beckett directed the San Quentin Players in three of his major works: Waiting for Godot, Krapp's Last Tape, and Endgame. Grouped under the title "Beckett Directs Beckett," the plays toured Europe and Asia to great acclaim. In Paris, they were later adapted for television by directors Walter Asmus and Alan Mandell, working with the assistance of Beckett himself. Originally airing on PBS, two versions of each play were produced, in English and French.
Recently, Mitchell Lifton -- a film professor at the University of Maryland -- has embraked on a project to bring these versions of Waiting for Godot and Krapp's Last Tape to DVD, complete with "digital annotations." Apmonia will use this space to keep visitors posted on Dr. Lifton's progress, reviewing the DVD when it finally comes out. Lifton also maintains a useful homepage on the project:

Beckett Directs Beckett -- The project's homepage contains details on the productions, stills, and video excerpts.

--Allen B. Ruch
4 March 2003

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Email Apmonia -- Send email to Tim Conley and the Great Quail -- comments, suggestions, corrections, criticisms, submissions . . . all are welcome!

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Title: Re:FINE WHINES
Post by: Jed on November 08, 2003, 07:34:07 PM: Quote from: George on November 08, 2003, 07:10:24 PM
Years ago, I did notice that on the cast album of Company the first syllables of “Larry” and “Harry” were pronounced with the same vowel sound as in "bad." I thought that it was just because it was a stage play and the actors had to enunciate.

Ah yes, quite right you are. I had never really given a second thought to the "Harry" on the Company recording, thinking it was just a Barbara Barrie thing, but now I know it's oh so much more. I just find it all quite interesting.
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Post by: bk on November 08, 2003, 07:34:37 PM: Well, this is a new record, over two hundred posts on a Saturday, and the evening is still young, which is more than I can say. You are keeping my spirits up, which otherwise would be drowning in a sea of phelgm and yucky sinus expulsions.
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 07:36:09 PM: Our mighty Richard Valley is having problems accessing the new and improved HHW2 and has asked me to post the following:

Some News From Scarlet Street

Joe Franklin is supposed to play another cut from JEEPERS CREEPERS: GREAT SONGS FROM HORROR FILMS tonight at around 1:30AM on WOR AM.

By the way, anyone in the Burbank area who'd like to get a copy of the CD, Creature Features is the place to go. It's a great store, located at 1802 West Olive Ave, Burbank, CA. The phone number is 818-842-9383. Tell 'em Scarlet Street sent you. Of course, you can still buy JEEPERS CREEPERS right online at
http://www.mycottage.com/SCARLET/CDjeepers.htm (http://www.mycottage.com/SCARLET/CDjeepers.htm)

Our latest issue--Scarlet Street #49--is now available and you'll find in it an exclusive interview with Mr. Bruce Kimmel, plus photos of Brent (World's Handsomest Man) Barrett, Judy Kaye, Alison Fraser, Guy Haines, Katherine Helmond, Susan Gordon, Zacherley, and The Scarlettes. If you were a Scarlette and have never had your photo in an international publication, you'll want to grab this issue. If you weren't a Scarlette, you'll still want to grab it. It's available at http://www.mycottage.com/SCARLET/backissue/issue49.htm (http://www.mycottage.com/SCARLET/backissue/issue49.htm)
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 07:42:43 PM: BTW, we were having an interesting discussion last night (Richard Valley and I), which some of the DRs might be able to shed some light onto. . .

Stephen Sondheim's FOLLIES: THE MOVIE.
Was it ever even sold to a studio, or was that all talk?
What is the truth behind the rumors of re-setting FOLLIES in a motion picture studio and using the likes of Bette Davis and Joan Crawford?
I've been involved in online discussions of the make believe M-G-M roster of stars appearing in FOLLIES: THE MOVIE, but, I don't recall reading ANYWHERE that Goldman et al had actually sold the film rights to a studio. . .

BK ??? ??? ???
MDS ??? ??? ???
Anybodys ??? ??? ???
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Post by: TCB on November 08, 2003, 07:47:56 PM: td To the best of my knowledge, the whole film studio idea was just talk. I was under the imprression that it was Sondheim who refused to have the film rights sold.
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 07:53:06 PM: It's almost 11pm here and I'm about to turn in. Worked on my presentation and now it's time to go to bed. Just wanted to make one last post to thank all who sent me karma and good vibes. Much appreciated. See you in chat tomorrow.
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 07:53:54 PM: Oh, hell. Two more to make it 190, then only 60 more. I won't do it all tomorrow but sometime next week, maybe I'll be Senior.
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Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 07:54:19 PM: Quote from: TCB on November 08, 2003, 07:47:56 PM
td To the best of my knowledge, the whole film studio idea was just talk. I was under the imprression that it was Sondheim who refused to have the film rights sold.

Oh, you cute TCB, you!
That was what I said last night, except that I thought that Goldman had all the control. . .remember the widow Goldman and the Paper Mill production. . .

(http://home.hiwaay.net/~oliver/gsroxy.jpg)
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Post by: Ben on November 08, 2003, 07:55:31 PM: That was number 207 and when JRand gets back, I'm sure he will push us up to even higher points before the new notes are posted. Unless I stay up to around 3am NY time, I don't think I'll ever be a first poster again. Or a last poster for that matter. I can live with that. Nite all.
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Post by: bk on November 08, 2003, 08:19:12 PM: Follies has never been optioned for film as far as I know. It has been talked about, certainly, but I don't think the rights have ever actually been purchased.
Title: Re:FINE WHINES
Post by: td on November 08, 2003, 08:36:17 PM: I guess it's my turn to ask, "Where in tarnation is everyone?" Joy? Tom? Mr. Brockman?
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Post by: ArnoldMBrockman on November 08, 2003, 08:39:29 PM: I don't need to whine--or wine for that matter. I just wanted to be a part of this historic Saturday posting.
Congratulations BK and all.Keep the Whining running!!
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 08:39:57 PM: Yesterday's topic I know but last night I watched "Broadway's Lost Treasures". I want more. today I listened to the soundtrack of "Spirited Away" Thank you again François. I am not really a "soundtrack/film score" person but I really enjoy it. At home today we were discussing the wonderful "Baghdad Cafe". "Calling You" is on the new Babs CD. Are there any other fans of the movie out there. It was the only movie I have seen where I liked Jack Palance.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 08:43:03 PM: Fine whine is worth waiting for Mr Brockman Snr. Sorry td ,I was having my photo taken by a friendly bear. Yet another attempt to post my photo at HHW. I will still probably prefer Thomas The Tank Engine.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 09:20:40 PM: Quote from: Tom from OZ on November 08, 2003, 08:43:03 PM
Fine whine is worth waiting for Mr Brockman Snr. Sorry td ,I was having my photo taken by a friendly bear. Yet another attempt to post my photo at HHW. I will still probably prefer Thomas The Tank Engine.

Oh, yes, Tom! I adore "Baghdad Cafe"!

I first saw it on video about 15 years ago and went out immediately and bought the CD soundtrack.

I've been a CCH Pounder fan since then, too!!!

The song is hauntingly beautiful.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 09:21:37 PM: Oh! And many thanks to those bestowing good karma on me! I greatly appeciate it and will do my best to spread it around, as well!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 09:26:51 PM: Dear Bruce: I read with interest your comments about "sinus expulsions" and "phlegm."

I'm going to recommend something to you: Zicam for congestion relief. This totally opens you up. It's helped me get the sleep I need without mouth breathing for hours at a time. The only drawback is that you must not use it for an extended period as it will cease to be effective and could have adverse affects if used too often.

Of course, if you're just using tissues in this mass mucous evacuation process, you may not need such help.

I hope you get well really soon.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 09:27:41 PM: Anybody know when JRand is supposed to get back from his day with Dame Edna????

I'm guessing he's made a day of it, with performance and dinner, etc.

But I can't wait to hear his report on the show!!!!!
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 09:32:29 PM: Now that post was a hard act to follow! I need encouragement to make it to 250! TCB you have mail.
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Post by: Emily on November 08, 2003, 09:35:00 PM: so all of you pronounce the name "Harry" to rhyme with "hairy"? That's just mean!
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Post by: Andrea on November 08, 2003, 09:43:53 PM: Quote from: Emily on November 08, 2003, 09:35:00 PM
so all of you pronounce the name "Harry" to rhyme with "hairy"? That's just mean!

I do--- and my mother is forever trying to cure me of it.
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Post by: Laura II on November 08, 2003, 09:47:20 PM: Hi everyone!

First things first:

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]Fantastic vibes to Ben, his brother, and all of the family![/move]

Next:
I enjoyed the article about Mary, merry, and marry. I pronounce them all differently, as does my mom, and we live in VA. I asked my friend to pronounce the words as I spelled them to her when we were on the phone, and they all sounded the same. Ah well, I guess my mom and I are considered weird by most Virginians. :D I remember when I was in eighth grade, this guy used to tease me and call me Ahn because I apparently pronounced my middle name (Ann) like that. Ah well. My mom's family is from Philly, and I have a slight accent, especially after I get home from a visit with them. I suppose that could affect the Mary/merry/marry stuff, too.

Finally, I saw Bounce last night. It was my friend Mike's first show ever, and he enjoyed it a lot. The only problem he had was that during intermission, he heard quite a few people, one woman in particular, criticizing the show, and he wondered why people couldn't just enjoy the performers and their talents. In a way, I agree. Anyway, I thought the show was pretty good. I'm not too familiar with Sondheim (basically all I know is Into the Woods, along with Gypsy and WSS), so I can't exactly say if the songs sound recycled or not. I did hear snippets of ITW, though.
While the show was entertaining, it does need work. First of all, I think the relationship between the brothers and their mother needs to be fleshed out. It brought visions of Gypsy, but I wanted to understand the reason why it was like that. Basically, I think a better backstory would be nice. Then, Act I felt rushed in some areas as the audience was transported throughout the world. Some of Act I just needs to be rewritten. Certain jokes were overused, which was a bit frustrating. Also, Wilson's character needs work. I didn't sympathize with him at all, and I therefore didn't care what happened to him.
Personally, I really enjoyed Richard Kind, Gavin Creel, Michelle Pawk, and Jane Powell, although she doesn't get to do too much. I saw Howard McGillin's understudy. He has a nice voice, although he needs to project. Overall, it was a pleasant night, and I left humming "You" and "The Best Thing that Ever Happened." I also got to talk to Gavin, which was probably the best moment of the evening. ;)
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Post by: TCB on November 08, 2003, 10:05:46 PM: Before I hear off to bed, I just want to say one thing on behalf of all of us who pronounce scary, hairy, and Mary alike. I don't want to hear any laughter or criticism from any of you who add a consonant to the end of any word that ends in a vowel.

i.e.
soda.................. soder

vodka................ vodker

We all have our own particular vocal habits. I rest my case.
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Post by: Emily on November 08, 2003, 10:19:45 PM: TCB - do people actually say "vodker"?

Cuz I think I would be forced to point and laugh at them. I'm a pronouncition bully :)
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Post by: bk on November 08, 2003, 10:26:10 PM: Look at us - we iz popular with the populace tonight. I'm now in the coughing stage and I have coughed so much that at times I thought I would die from so much coughing. :o
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 10:35:16 PM: Honey and lemon in warm water or whisky is all I can recommend. I have no faith in any cough medicines at all. I do hope you are much better for the mighty celebrations of tomorrow. Who I wonder is left from those days of old? Ron and WEL I assume.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 08, 2003, 10:45:23 PM: Days of old?

Days of OLD?

It's a 2nd anniversary, TFO, not a centenary!

Good grief! Days of o-l-d!

And besides Mr. WEL, there are many others who have been here longer than I (I started here in March 2002).

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 10:52:48 PM: At least I said days of old and not old posters Ron!
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Post by: Jed on November 08, 2003, 10:55:33 PM: Quote from: Tom from OZ on November 08, 2003, 10:35:16 PM
I do hope you are much better for the mighty celebrations of tomorrow. Who I wonder is left from those days of old? Ron and WEL I assume.

I've been here just about the whole time, joining in back in November 2001, just about a week or maybe two after the site got going. And what a grand ride it has been!

Oh, TCB, don't forget those who chose to put an "r" in the name of our state, pronouncing it "Worshington." Ugh... stands my hair on end just typing it!
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 10:59:06 PM: I just tried to check the archives but got nowhere. I can't remember when I joined - I know there was a gap between "The Real A".some other place that followed and my eventual tracking down of BK (thank you Mark).
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 08, 2003, 11:03:03 PM: I have just realised why I feel so close to Washington. My home state is VICTORIA. OK. I am slow but I am reliable. And Of course I am now past that 250 mark.
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Post by: Jay on November 08, 2003, 11:09:00 PM: DR MDS--Maybe it was done with one intermission, maybe with two. I can't remember for sure. But structurally, that bad turn in the play (at least in my opinion it's a bad turn) occurs in "Act III."
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Post by: Laura II on November 08, 2003, 11:38:01 PM: Jed: My dad's parents live in MO. My grandma says "George Warshington," and it drives me nuts!
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Post by: Laura II on November 08, 2003, 11:39:21 PM: I can't wait to see what happens when those of you who are senior members hit 500 or 501. I think that's when you'll receive your last star!
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Post by: bk on November 08, 2003, 11:48:25 PM: Get ready, get ready, anniversary doings are coming very soon now.
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Post by: Michael on November 09, 2003, 12:12:50 AM: Went to bed early but woke up. Technically it is Sunday here and on the west coast. So happy anniversery BK
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 09, 2003, 12:16:20 AM: Congratulations indeed BK and Technicians and especially to all the sundried ones.