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Title: SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: bk on June 29, 2004, 12:01:47 AM
Well, you've read the notes, you know there are such goings on going on, and now you are ready to post on a variety and also a hollywood reporter of subjects.  Do your best which, of course, is the chercest on all the Internet.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 12:12:10 AM
Here I am with nothing much to say. I just ate a pickle - not a good idea this time of night. I'll have to think about the TOD.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 12:12:40 AM
Dear Panni: I do hope the tapas place turns out to be good memorable, and not bad memorable.  Much as I think sawdust on the floor can be fun, having to use it to mop up, uhm, accidents can be, well, nauseating.

Sorry, it's been a very tiring day and I'm groaning, myself!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 12:15:50 AM
I don't have much historickal info about off-Broadway during the 60s.  Der Brucer might have a better idea about that era.

Of more recent days, I totally enjoyed As Bees in Honey Drown, with what I understand was pretty close to the original cast.  They rattled off the lines, and the plot, at a breakneck pace, which covered up the holes in the plot, but that was the point of the whole piece.  I understand that the play hasn't travelled well.  Pity.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 29, 2004, 12:16:16 AM
My favourite off-Broadway play is THE CEREMONY OF INNOCENCE by Ronald Ribman...about Ethelred the Unready.  It's a play I did in college directed by The Lovely Wife.  Below a picture of me in it.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Tomovoz on June 29, 2004, 12:19:56 AM
I know nothing of "off Broadway" now or then. Truth be known I know nothing much about plays either - are they those performances where they don't have songs?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Tomovoz on June 29, 2004, 12:21:16 AM
I did have one year where I saw many plays. 1973 - I saw about 50. Is London's West End "off Broadway"?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 12:22:19 AM
My favourite off-Broadway play is THE CEREMONY OF INNOCENCE by Ronald Ribman...about Ethelred the Unready.  It's a play I did in college directed by The Lovely Wife.  Below a picture of me in it.

I always used to giggle when hearing about "Ethelred the Unready" -- because it made me think of Fred Mertz and Lucy. Of course, now that I'm a mature, sophisticated woman of the world, I no longer giggle.  ;D
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 12:23:21 AM
Pickle.  Isn't that where a runner is caught between one base and another, and the two basemen are tossing the ball back and forth trying to tag the runner out?

I can understand how this would not set well on a stomach this late at night!

Try for sweet dreams, dear Panni!  Or switch from a Kosher pickle to sweet pickle relish.  May your dreamtime carry you to delectable shorelines, and not to the brine-y.

I'd best to bed myself; this is getting rediculous.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 12:27:54 AM
Sweet dreams, SWW and everyone else who is going to bed!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: bk on June 29, 2004, 12:37:07 AM
Also really like Murray Schisgal's The Typists and The Tiger, two one-act plays.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2004, 05:05:45 AM
No posts since 3:40am this morning. Hmmm.

I'll have to think about non-current Off-Broadway plays but things that pop to mind right now for current OB plays are

Three Tall Women (Edward Albee)
Wit (Margaret Edson)
How I Learned to Drive (Paula Vogel)
The Laramie Project (Moises Kaufman)
Gross Indecency: The Three Trials of Oscar Wilde (Moises Kaufman)
I Am My Own Wife (Douglas Wright - it started Off-Broadway at Playwrights Horizons)
Proof (David Auburn - also started Off-Broadway at Manhattan Theatre Club)

Musical Off-Broadway
March of the Falsettos and Falsettoland (even though they were combined for Broadway and called Falsettos, the shows began Off-Broadway at Playwrights Horizons)

Back later with plays from the past, I hope.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Noel on June 29, 2004, 05:48:17 AM
Arnold Weinstein, author of Red Eye of Love, was something of a mentor of mine at Columbia.  (Learned a lot of bad habits from him.)  He was involved, I think, in a musical version of Red Eye of Love, so add him to the list we were making the other day.

I'm not old enough to have seen many of the off-Broadway plays of the sixties in the sixties.  My father produced one, and I think I saw it, called The Infantry.  In the cast were two long-haired kids named Jimmy Rado and Gerry Ragni and they showed my father a draft of a musical they'd written.  It seemed not to have a plot, so my father passed.  On Hair

Off-Broadway I enjoyed Streamers quite a bit, and of course Sister Mary Ignatius Explains It All For You.  I once saw a production of Endgame (from the 60's, by Beckett) that featured the most fascinating stage effect I've ever seen.  The set, at rise, was entirely draped; then, there's some noise (like the sound of a nuclear holocaust) and, with great force and speed, all the drapes got pulled out through a hole in the rear wall.  The director of this production went on to direct many a Broadway play, including premieres by Albee and Miller, I think.  And yes, I'm also fond of The Zoo Story, which I saw directed by Albee himself.  (It didn't use a real switchblade.)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: William E. Lurie on June 29, 2004, 06:16:56 AM
The best off-Broadway musical I ever saw was in 1970: PROMENADE with Music by the wonderful, under-rated Al Carmines and book & lyrics by Maria Irene Forness (I may have spelled it wrong).  This was the first show to play at the theatre that was named for it on upper Broadway.  Unfortunately I saw it after Madeline Kahn left the cast, but that didn't atter as the entire cast was excellent and it was absolutely wonderful in every way.  I have seen two subsequent productions, one in Chicago and one in Buffalo, but in both cases the director did not fully understand the play.

Since Carmines has not written anything new in years, I can only assume that the church where is now ministers does not approve, whereas the Judson, his former church, not only approved but gave him space to present the initial productions of his plays.  His work is greatly missed and needed today.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: MBarnum on June 29, 2004, 07:16:47 AM
Salem's Pentacle Theater did COMMUNICATING DOORS  a few years back and my buddy Jeff was in it. I loved it! One of the best plays I have seen here.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Matt H. on June 29, 2004, 07:45:55 AM
Favorite off-Broadway play: THE BOYS IN THE BAND, of course. A few years ago, I saw PARTY, a silly, totally hilarious piece of gay fluff, and I really enjoyed it as a break from big Broadway spectacles.

Many off-Broadway musicals have been favorites: THE FANTASTICKS, YOU'RE A GOOD MAN, CHARLIE BROWN, GODSPELL, and probably the most recent one that I thought was spectacular: AND THE WORLD GOES 'ROUND. William E Lurie was talking about Karen Ziemba yesterday, and this show was the first time I saw her. All of the women in the show were wonderful and versatile, but I thought Karen really stole the show with her singing, dancing, and performing.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Matt H. on June 29, 2004, 07:47:28 AM
Looks like another pool and sun day here. We've had such rainy, stormy weather over the last ten days that a break would be MOST welcome.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jason on June 29, 2004, 07:49:52 AM
Hey, y'all! Greetings from Louisville. I'm sitting here snacking on cold chicken from last night's gargantuan meal and loving every minute of it.

The concert in Chicago went EXTREMELY well, some new friends were made and old friendships were fortified--and there was some GREAT music. You should hear DR MusicGuy play the GYPSY overture on that theatre organ! Astounding. Well, you should hear him play ANYTHING, but that GYPSY overture was tres impressive.

Even more impressive was the house--no, the MANSION--we stayed and performed in. Amazing. I can't even put it into words. I'll have my pictures uploaded ASAP, but even they won't do justice to it. The best part of it was that the homeowners were the nicest folks you'd ever want to meet. You'd never know that they were that wealthy. I hope to get to go back in the years to come.

Now I'm home in Louisville and I'm about to go out to see how the city's changed since I was here last. I'll take plenty of photos of anything interesting that I think you guys might like to see, like the Louisville Slugger Museum with the giant baseball bat in front. It's pretty cool. Ciao!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 08:35:49 AM
Good morning. Exciting goings on at HHW this morn - great concerts, fried chicken, Hair-passing stories...
I'm not an expert on off-Broadway plays/musicals(dah!). Many which have already been named I've either read and really enjoyed (The Typists and the Tiger - I still have my edition which I bought in 1967, with Eli Wallach and Anne Jackson on the cover); The Zoo Story, The Sandbox, The Death of Bessie Smith; or saw off-off-off Broadway...The Laramie Project and Gross Indecency in Denver; The Fantasticks in Windsor; tons in Toronto and Vancouver, and so on.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 08:53:49 AM
Where are all the posts today?

Okay we must do something about this ASAP.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 08:56:22 AM
Hmmmm, I wonder if DR Jason's cold chicken was FRIED chicken?

We need a food topic today.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 09:01:34 AM
Hmmmm, I wonder if DR Jason's cold chicken was FRIED chicken?

Indubitably.  (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/tiere/animal-smiley-032.gif)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: George on June 29, 2004, 09:07:04 AM
I don't know anything about off-Broadway plays...unless it's an off-Broadway musical that recorded a cast album and I own it. ::)

I have the CD to Promenade and I've listened to it a couple of times.  I didn't hate it, but it just didn't grab me, so I haven't listened to it in a long time.  I love the recordings of:
And the World Goes 'Round
Das Barbecü
The Fantasticks
Love (based on "What About Luv") with Judy Kaye and her husband David Green and Simon Green (who are not related)...okay, I just "like" this one
A Man of No Importance
Three Guys Naked From the Waist Down
You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown

I'll stop here.  I'd have to go through ALL of my CDs to find more, but I have to get to work.  

Also, my aunt (one of my dad's sisters) is visiting from Glendora, California!  She's a nun (her name is Sister Cecelia) and a kick in the pants!  She arrived yesterday and will be staying for a couple of weeks.  I'll be somewhat errant and truant, depending on what we do.  I only have about 18 hours of vacation time at work, so I won't be able to take much time off from there, which is actually where I'm off to now!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Matt H. on June 29, 2004, 09:11:19 AM
It would just HAVE to be fried chicken. I think he didn't name it specifically because it goes without saying that it's fried.

I'm heading out the door for lunch in a minute before my pool afternoon, and I may just partake of some fried chicken myself.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 09:18:49 AM
It would just HAVE to be fried chicken. I think he didn't name it specifically because it goes without saying that it's fried.

Well I also assumed he meant fried, but you never know.  I'm sure there are many great chicken recipes in his household!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 09:21:47 AM
Btw, does anybody here know the wide release date for the De-lovely movie?  I hope since it has Kevin Kline and Ashley Judd that it will be in more than just the artsy theatres.  Any help would be appreciated.

I think that it has a limited release on Friday. Thanks.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: bk on June 29, 2004, 09:41:29 AM
Say, where in tarnation IS everyone?  Good choices for off-B'way plays (we'd done musicals before but feel free to list them anyway).  I got to see The Typists and The Tiger out here in LA with Miss Anne Jackson and Mr. Eli Wallach - excellent.  Also saw Miss Jackson and Mr. Wallach in Waltz of the Toreadors.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 29, 2004, 09:47:24 AM
Quote from: RLP on Yesterday at 01:34:03pm
What makes the idea that the numbers were padded seem silly is that studios DO NOT PAD GROSSES....  Therefore, NOBODY is going to overinflate the grosses 'cause it means folks'll have to be paid more than the movie earned otherwise.


And S. Woody replied:

Huh?  Say WHAT?  

How quickly people forget.

The courts ordered Eddie Murphy to pay Art Buchwald a percentage of his earnings (19%) for the film Coming to America (1988) because Murphy didn't credit Buchwald with the idea for the film.  After that, there was a very public fiasco about the accounting on the film, where it was claimed that Murphy and the studio hadn't earned a dime on the film, dispite it's having earned millions at the box office.  It was subsequently discovered that these accounting practices were common throughout the film industry.

And there is no evidence that the accounting practices have changed.


Well, DR S. Woody, I think you're proving MY point here...nobody "inflated" grosses in this instance...that entire issue, after Buchwald's participation was acknowledged, IIRC, was whether the film had ever made a profit...and accounting in Hollywood is very weird, making it totally necessary for you to know whether your dividends come after net or gross.

I was discussing overinflating the reporting of grosses for some reason or other....in yesterday's case, it would have been for political purposes, which would be something new, I suppose, in the practice of reporting earnings.  
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 29, 2004, 09:49:50 AM
Good Afternoon!

It's a gorgeous day here in Fairfax, VA.  I just took the dog out for his walk, and I'll definitely have to take a longer walk this afternoon.  I would have gone for a longer walk, but my brother's dog is a chihuahua, and I would have ended up carrying him after a while.  -I think.

As for Off-Broadway shows, I'm not too sure about ones from the 60's, but from the recent crop...  Hmmm... I'm going to have to think about this one...

However, I know I was not too fond of Ricky Ian Gordon's Dream True.  And I really wanted to like the show especially since the cast included Steven Skybell, Michael Cole, Judy Kuhn, Jessica Molaskey, Daniel Jenkins and Jeff McCarthy.  There were some interesting moments, but that was about it.  I knew it was going to be a "long" evening in the theatre when I found myself listening more to the orchestration than what was on stage.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 29, 2004, 09:52:50 AM
I don't know what's going on, but in my post above I went into "Modify" in an attempt to make some type smaller, bold, etc., and I was unable to make ANY modifications at all.

I tried and tried and tried.   Nothing.  Zilch,  Nada.

What's going on?  Anyone else having these problems?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: bk on June 29, 2004, 10:05:04 AM
I haven't had any problems modifying.  Anyone else?

Re reported grosses - As I pointed out yesterday, there are many cases of inflated reporting, all well-documented in the trade papers at the time the mis-reporting happened.  Obviously, that isn't the case with Michael Moore's film, but if it HAD been the case it would just as obviously had nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the distributor trying to put on the best face possible (which is why they inflate grosses in the first place).  The mis-reporting slowed down a couple of years ago because they were really looking for it then and catching distribs every week.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: William E. Lurie on June 29, 2004, 10:13:27 AM
Re: DE LOVELY... if the Soundtrack is any indication, see it as soon as it opens because it is not going to last.  While there are a couple of good tracks, on the whole the album is an insult to any Cole Porter fan.  I haven't seen it yet, but I understand one of the highlights is "Cole" and "Linda" walking out of a theatre showing Cary Grant in "Night and Day" and making fun of the way it portrayed them.  At least that film had Mary Martin singing "My Heart Belongs to Daddy".
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: DearReaderLaura on June 29, 2004, 10:20:23 AM
I don't know from 60's off-Broadway shows, so I can't add to today's topic. But here's my post.

Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ann on June 29, 2004, 10:23:47 AM
Good morning all!
I'll have to think about the topic for today, see if I know any to list.  I'll ask DR Jed, he'll know :)
It is a beautiful day here in Tacoma.  I'll be spending a lot of time outside with the kids today.  
Don't have much to say, but just wanted to put it a post before I get going to work.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 10:44:25 AM
I haven't had any problems modifying.  Anyone else?

Nope. I just modified my earlier listing of The "Fantastics" - which is actually a musical lost in Boston about these two old fathers who misunderstand each other because each has a tic that the other thinks is a wink and there's a wall and two lovers and a lot of winking and misunderstanding and...
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 29, 2004, 10:45:48 AM
Ver-r-r-y In-te-rest-ing!

And very strange.

I've discovered "why" I've been unable to modify.

Yesterday afternoon, it was "suggested" by some folks here that we re-set our PC security settings to "high" as a precaution against the new virus going around.

I did this.  And forgot.  And one of our information technology folks issued a statement saying it was unnecessary to set at "high" because of our firewall.  It was suggested that "high" might hamper some functions.

LIGHT BULB LIT UP!

And I am now on "medium" security and have full access to "modify" capabilities.

Sigh.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: MBarnum on June 29, 2004, 10:48:06 AM
Now here is a topic of discussion! Where in tarnation are some of our DRs...for instance Lulu! She seems to have been absent for quite an extended period of time! Once she was here and now she is gone!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 11:12:09 AM
Wow we are moving so slow today!

I was just about to try to modify, but now I see there is no need.

It looks like it is going to rain.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 11:15:54 AM
Oh....hmmmmmmm....I too am NOT familiar enough with OFF BROADWAY in the 1960's, but I will add A MAN WITH A LOAD OF MISCHIEF with the lovely Virginia Vestoff.  I only have the LP, but I love it.

More recently, I will go with the Kaufman duo of GROSS INDENCENCY and THE LARAMIE PROJECT.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 11:18:53 AM
Hmmmmmmm my birth certificate arrived today and yes, I am real.....

I liked LOBBY HERO which was produced in Toronto by my friend Jeffrey Marshall - although most people find it somewhat lacking as DRJOSE pointed out.  I have only read it, so I need to see a production before I can comment.....

I think DR WEL, I quoted the musical director of DE LOVELY from an interview in MOVIELINE magazine and was a bit dismayed at what he said.  I can repeat the quotes if anyone is interested.  Because I read that, the disappointment in the soundtrack CD is not a surprise to me.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 11:30:44 AM
I'll just add a post to help the posts along. Am organizing my working space. Ugghhh.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 11:34:57 AM
Question: have any DRs seen wild bunnies?

There is this one little guy here who is really precious.  But he seems so out of place in the suburbs.  He has a cute little white tail.  But today when I tried to give him a carrot he ran off.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 11:41:11 AM
Another question.  Is it tacky for a local theatre company to ask you to fill out your name to win tickets to their next show, and then use the information to bug you to BUY a subscription for their entire series?

I must say, I didn't see it coming.  But they've called twice now, and I think it's slightly tacky.  And they didn't even try to hide it.  They were like, "hey you filled out to win tickets to this show, would you like to buy a subscription?".

I felt like saying, "why would I need to buy tickets when I'm going to WIN them" :)

Actually when I told this guy that I'd already been called he was very sorry.  AND he actually asked me something which sort of made up for the call.  He asked if there was any reason why I had put "satisfactory" in the customer service column, and he wanted to know if there is anyway he could improve their service.

I should have said "stop calling". :)

But actually there was a reason and I explained it and he wrote it down and said he'd look into it.

But I still felt a bit annoyed that they went through all those contest stubs and used it as their mailing list.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: bk on June 29, 2004, 11:42:30 AM
It looked like it was going to rain here, too, but naturally, this being LA and all, the sun just pushed the clouds aside.  I'd prefer the rain, frankly.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 11:46:30 AM
I don't want rain, because I want to BBQ!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Stuart on June 29, 2004, 11:47:01 AM
Sorry for being so E & T, as of late....had a houseguest; had a few days off, etc.

On the TOD:

My off-Broadway days only go back to the mid 70s, but definitely LARAMIE PROJECT.  Also JEFFREY.  Sorry BK, I was a fan of DINNER WITH FRIENDS.  Also Anne Meara's AFTERPLAY.  A LIFE IN THE THEATRE with the late great Ellis Raab, and the late, great (and cuter) Peter Evans.  Some -- but not all -- of the Charles Ludlam pieces.

I may have missed a discussion of off-Broadway musicals, but my votes are for GETTING MY ACT TOGETHER..., which in its time, and with the right cast, was powerful.  But a favorite was TRIXIE TRUE, TEEN DETECTIVE, with the very funny Marilyn Sokol.  (She became less funny as her career progressed...)  And the wonderful Miss Phyllis Newman in THE MADWOMAN OF CENTRAL PARK WEST.  And LITTLE SHOP, in its original incarnation.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 29, 2004, 11:52:12 AM
The Zoo Story, The Sandbox, The Death of Bessie Smith;

You left out the best of the Albee batch:

The American Dream

And my favorite from the 70's

(http://www.darkshadowsonline.com/graphics/barnco/passion.gif)

The Dark Shadows (http://www.darkshadowsonline.com/barn-bernaufeat1.html) web site adds the following fun details:

Denied the chance to wear fangs on Dark Shadows, Chris Bernau became Count Dracula in an off-Broadway play called The Passion of Dracula, which opened in September 1977.

The play fittingly opened at midnight followed by a Bloody Mary cocktail party, and got mostly solid reviews. Some reviewers took it to task for mixing humor into the Gothic story, but most loved the retelling--especially Bernau's turn as the blood-thirsty count.

In his crushed velvet clothes and cape, the actor spoke in a Transylvanian accent (which one reviewer found "too Russian"), and captured the spirit of a sexy, slightly funny vampire.

"Mr. Bernau, pale as a candle and dressed all in black, achieves a fine balance between the awesome and the ridiculous," wrote Richard Eder in the New York Times. "His sudden entrances and exits, accompanied by clouds of steam, work very well."

On Dark Shadows, Chris played Phillip Todd, co-owner of a Collinsport antique shop-and foster dad of Leviathan Jeb Hawkes.

In 1977, he told the Daily News he enjoyed splitting his time between the parts of Alan Spaulding on the CBS soap The Guiding Light, and Dracula. (He'd signed on to GL just prior to getting the stage role.) "Really, the Count is a marvelous fellow to play," Bernau said. "He's the only role I ever had in which I can not only chew the scenery but the rest of the cast as well."

Bob Hall and David Richmond's humorous script gave some good lines to the vampire's naïve victims: "Look at the size of that bat!" one exclaimed, looking out a window just before being fanged. The play was directed by Peter Bennett and staged at the Cherry Lane Theatre.

The Passion of Dracula is a revamped version of Bram Stoker's classic. It takes place at a sanitarium, where the mysterious Count Dracula has recently set up housekeeping at a rundown mansion next door-and local village maidens have been dropping like flies. (Flies and spiders are dropping too, as a sanitarium inmate named Renfield pops them into his mouth throughout the play.) The 1977 production was full of special effects, including an impressive transformation from man to bat. In another scene, a cross burst into flames when grasped by the Count.

That fall was a good time for vampire fans in New York City. Shortly after Chris began breathing undead life into Dracula, Frank Langella started playing the same part in the Broadway production of Dracula, at the Martin Beck Theatre.
John Hirsch of The Villager compared Bernau and Langella in a just-pre-Halloween review. While he found Bernau's performance "lecherous, often funny, and ultimately sympathetic" (a lot like Jonathan Frid's Barnabas), he thought Langella's Count Dracula was "sinister and never pitiable" and animalistic-crouching and growling his way across the stage.

Langella's interpretation was committed to film in 1979, in the movie Dracula. Bernau's play was taped by Showtime and broadcast in January 1980.


These shows all played in the village at the Cherry Lane Theatre.

der Brucer (the bar/lounge at the Cherry Lane had a small passage at the rear that was curtained off from the man area - and going thru that curtain was a real eye-opener!!!)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 29, 2004, 11:55:57 AM
Question: have any DRs seen wild bunnies?


Besides the ones at the Playboy Mansion?

der Brucer (who long ago posted his tail tale about raising bunnies)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 29, 2004, 12:02:10 PM
If you want a cheer-up smile for today:

Frist read this article excepted form FNS (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124061,00.html)

Mini-Motorcycle Trend Zooms Across Nation
Tuesday, June 29, 2004
By Catherine Donaldson-Evans
 
NEW YORK  — If you liked the movie “Big” about a boy-turned-man or just want to relive your childhood, you might find yourself caught up in a wacky craze over pint-size motorcycles.

The bikes are smaller, lighter and cheaper than their adult-size counterparts, with price tags in the $200-$3,000 range, as opposed to the regular motorcycles that cost a minimum of several grand. They are also illegal for street use in most states, but enthusiasts who are attracted by their low cost and cachet can't get enough of them.
Howard Wu, a partner at Fancy Scooter, said he and Ma suggest that buyers ride the pocket bikes in the park or at the beach, advise them of the state laws and warn them to wear helmets and proceed with caution.
“We don’t encourage small kids to ride,” Ma said. “They’re built for speed and if you go very fast, it’s going to hurt you.”
The larger versions of the mini motos hit speeds of 20 to 25 mph, but the smaller ones can go up to 50 mph.
“Of course they’re dangerous,” said Robertson. “You’re going 25 miles per hour and run into a car or a wall, you’re going to come away with some scrapes and bumps and bruises. They’re so small and low it’s possible that a driver in a vehicle would not see you and just run over your ass.”

A recent test drive of a Fancy Scooter mini proved that the toy-sized cycles are zippy, fun, loud and fairly simple to learn to ride — but are likely to cause leg-cramping for anyone who isn’t ultra petite.


(http://www.foxnews.com/images/129516/0_22_062804_pocketbikes_rider.jpg)

Now...imagine your favorite Dear Reader driving one!

der Brucer (the ultra petite leaves me out)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 12:04:18 PM
I just lost 20 minutes! :(
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jason on June 29, 2004, 12:06:37 PM
Yes, the cold chicken was fried. We had my traditional "coming home" dinner, per my menu, and now I am enjoying some fried whitefish and hush puppies from the local fish shop up the street. My parents were kind enough to leave me a car to tool around in (they just recently acquired a used Jaguar, which has been my mom's dream car her whole life, but they haven't sold the third car yet, so my dad's driving that one and I'M driving the Jag--woohoo!) so I went out shopping for my dad's birthday and picked up a couple of things for myself, including the just-released Original Cast Album of CAROLINE, OR CHANGE. I really enjoy the score, and it's wonderful to hear Tony Kushner's lyrics again and really have a chance to focus on what they're saying. Tonya sounds rough, but I'm starting to wonder if part of that is intentional.

I will begin my search for mom's recipes this afternoon and will start posting them as I am able.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 12:09:11 PM
I want one of those mini putts!

But if you cannot drive them in the streets then where do they want you to drive them?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 29, 2004, 12:10:58 PM
BK and other DRs who have a jaded view of the American Political Scene will find little surprise in this gem I pulled from a newsletter:

SALEM, Ore. - Two conservative groups have been phoning people around Oregon this week, urging them to attend Ralph Nader's convention Saturday in hopes of putting Nader's name on Oregon's presidential ballot.

The groups make no bones about their goal - to draw votes away from Democrat John Kerry and help President Bush win this battleground state in November.

"We disagree with Ralph Nader's politics, but we'd love to see him make the ballot," said Russ Walker of Citizens for a Sound Economy, a group best
known for its opposition to tax increases.

The Oregon Family Council also has been working the phones to boost attendance at Nader's event - with the idea that it could help Bush this fall.

"We aren't bashful about doing it," said Mike White, the group's director.
"We are a conservative, pro-family organization, and Bush is our guy on virtually every issue."

Even if it comes from an unusual source, Nader can probably use the help,given that this will be his second attempt to win a spot on Oregon's ballot.

In April, Nader held an evening rally in Portland that was intended to attract 1,000 people needed to sign petitions to put him on the ballot. Only 741 showed up.

Nader placed some of the blame on supporters tuning in the NCAA basketball championship game, which occurred the same night, rather than attend the rally.

The 70-year-old consumer activist plans to travel to Portland for the second convention, which will be held at a local high school.

The move by the Republican-leaning groups to boost attendance at Nader's mini-convention is legal.

State law says that for Nader to qualify for the ballot as independent candidate, he need only draw 1,000 registered votes - regardless of their party affiliation - together in one place to sign petitions for him.

The head of Nader's Oregon campaign, Greg Kafoury, said he's had no contact with the two conservative groups that have been calling people this week. But he said he's not bothered by their actions, either.

If Nader qualifies for Oregon's ballot, polls suggest that he could be a factor in whether Kerry or Bush wins the seven electoral votes of this swing state in
November.


der Brucer
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 12:12:47 PM
Yes, the cold chicken was fried. We had my traditional "coming home" dinner, per my menu,if

I love it. You make your own menu!

Cool about the jag. Can we see a pic?

And I cannot wait to see your mom's recipes!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 12:13:43 PM
My answer to both of your questions DRJENNIFER is yes.  We have a few rabbits living under a large fir tree in our yard...and now and then the little bunnies hop out looking around and then immediately hop back under the tree.  I am hoping the neighborhood cats don't spy them

And yes....those tickets were for a raffle NOT the mailing/contact list.  We ask for people to sign up for the mailing list, but we don't make calls.  I know the Indiana Repertory Theatre does....they used to use their AUDITION lists to make calls.  Like someone who was never cast was going to spend money to see a show there.

And "don't call" would have been a good response.  
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 12:14:36 PM
Next time when you are in the audience and they make the pitch for the raffle, you might raise your hand and ask:  If I give my telephone number, are you going to call about a season subscription?  

Everyone in the audience will be interested in the answer.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2004, 12:15:00 PM
Oh, yes, I forgot Jeffrey! I loved that show.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2004, 12:17:19 PM
I don't see bunnies here in the city but there are a couple of full-sized rabbits who eat the strawberries in Anthony's mother's garden. Maybe this year we will get to eat some of them before they get to them. Last year they also ate some of the peppers. Never the cucumbers strangely enough. We got plenty of those.

MacGregor, Rose's West Highland terrier loves to chase the rabbits, though I don't know what he would do if he caught one. Actually Rose makes sure therer are no rabbits in sight before she lets MacGregor out the door so there isn't much chance of him having lapin for a mid-afternoon snack.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jay on June 29, 2004, 12:29:39 PM
...there are a couple of full-sized rabbits who eat the strawberries in Anthony's mother's garden. Maybe this year we will get to eat some of them before they get to them.

The rabbits or the strawberries?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 29, 2004, 12:42:02 PM
I want one of those mini putts!

But if you cannot drive them in the streets then where do they want you to drive them?

More extract:

Pocket bikes are ubiquitous in California, where police have been cracking down on riders after a number of recent accidents. On the other side of the country, in New York, the little motorcycles are illegal on public streets, but the laws aren’t heavily enforced in many jurisdictions, according to those in the know.

“A lot of people ride them,” Li said of pocket bikers in his Brooklyn neighborhood, Bensonhurst. “The cops have other things to deal with. They have real criminals to deal with.”

Howard Wu, a partner at Fancy Scooter, said he and Ma suggest that buyers ride the pocket bikes in the park or at the beach, advise them of the state laws and warn them to wear helmets and proceed with caution.

Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2004, 12:46:42 PM
Ah, yes, DR Jay, you caught my fractured grammar. I want the strawberries, not the rabbits. I have never eaten rabbit although as a child in Windsor Canada (just across the river from Detroit) I ate frogs legs. My great grandmother lived in Windsor and we were visiting and went to a restaurant and they were on the menu. My father said the usual "they taste like Chicken" Haven't had them since so I don't really remember how they taste.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: William E. Lurie on June 29, 2004, 12:48:56 PM
JRand---
MAN WITH A LOAD OF MISCHIEF is finally getting released on CD later this summer.  It's not the LP but a new recording reaturing primarily the cast that did it at Mufti last fall and will have 20 minutes of music not on the LP.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 01:05:19 PM
Thanks WEL....wonderful news.  I think we have discussed this before.  It is a pleasant and surprisingly complex score with sweet music and lyrics that are perfect for the period!  
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 01:13:22 PM
Ben - I went to the University of Windsor (Theater School)

Re rabbits - Yes. Used to see them all the time in Boulder. And deer.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 01:20:26 PM
WEL I will post again what Steven Endelman the musical supervisor of DE-LOVELY said...it made me shudder:

"...Endelman...was a fan of Porter's music, but he 'wasn't a Cole Prter zealot,' he says.  'I wasn't somebody who was going to say "Oh my God, we can't do that because it's going to be sacreligious to the written notes of Cole Porter." ' thus Endelman rearranged, for example, the usual rumba-like rhythm of 'Begin the Beguine' into a much slower, melancholy lament...."  

And more:

"The filmmakers went after a variety of recording artists to perform Porter's songs in the film, looking to attract as wide a demographic as possible."

In trying to please everybody, my guess is that they will please very few.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 29, 2004, 01:23:44 PM
Has anyone a clue/clew/clough where TD has disappeared to?

He hasn't posted since night before last!

Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Matt H. on June 29, 2004, 01:28:12 PM
Back from a lovely afternoon at the pool. Clouds mixed with hot sunshine, but the humidity was not high so it wasn't uncomfortable even when the sun was at its brightest. Supposed to rain for the next two days, so probably no more pool until Friday at the earliest and most probably not until next week.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Matt H. on June 29, 2004, 01:31:13 PM
DR Jrand quoted and wrote:

""The filmmakers went after a variety of recording artists to perform Porter's songs in the film, looking to attract as wide a demographic as possible."

In trying to please everybody, my guess is that they will please very few."


This is such stupid thinking. The people who would come to see a biography of Cole Porter want the music to be respected. Those who aren't Porter fans, or who don't know who he is, are not going to come in sufficient numbers to justify disappointing those who revere Porter. I know *I* have no intention of going to see it. I'll give it a whirl once it shows up on HBO/Showtime/Starz.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 29, 2004, 01:32:48 PM
Back from a lovely afternoon at the pool. Clouds mixed with hot sunshine, but the humidity was not high so it wasn't uncomfortable even when the sun was at its brightest. Supposed to rain for the next two days, so probably no more pool until Friday at the earliest and most probably not until next week.

This weather forecast from Charlotte NC brought to you by the folks at the Naturalized Weather Epicenter.

:D
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Matt H. on June 29, 2004, 01:32:49 PM
For those who were fans of the HBO series OZ, actors from that show make up THE JURY tonight at 9 p.m. EDT on Fox.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 01:34:40 PM
Re: DE LOVELY... if the Soundtrack is any indication, see it as soon as it opens because it is not going to last.  While there are a couple of good tracks, on the whole the album is an insult to any Cole Porter fan.  I haven't seen it yet, but I understand one of the highlights is "Cole" and "Linda" walking out of a theatre showing Cary Grant in "Night and Day" and making fun of the way it portrayed them.  At least that film had Mary Martin singing "My Heart Belongs to Daddy".
"The numbers are staged with wit and style."
-- Kirk Honeycutt, HOLLYWOOD REPORTER
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 29, 2004, 01:34:43 PM
Until "Delovely" opens, I find it rather hard to sit in judgment of it.    

It might just work...every bit of it.

I loved "Wicked" and have read some rather discordant opinions on this forum about it....I have no doubt at all that "Delovely" will have attempted to honor Porter's legacy.

I listened to some of the samples on the soundtrack at the Amazon listing and was pleasantly surprised.  Alanis Morrisette does a terrific "Let's Do It," Elvis Costello is respectable with "Let's Misbehave."  I'm not sure about Sheryl Crow's "Begin the Beguine," but it's all "context," isn't it....what's happening on the screen at the time.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 29, 2004, 01:44:45 PM
Good Afternoon!

Not really much to add right now...

I've been spending the afternoon inside, when I really should be outside enjoying the weather...

Kinda bored, but that's OK...

Been catching up on stuff on the web...

Chatting...

-Oh, and waiting for my date to call me back to confirm for tonight...But since it's 4:40pm, and we had planned to meet at 5:00pm...  Hmm...  He's a doctor so something could have come up, but...

Ah, well...

-I also really miss my nieces and nephew - I was sooo looking forward to spending time with them this week.  Timing is everything.  But at least I have all their "treats" to keep me culinarily satisfied while they are away. ;)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 29, 2004, 01:45:47 PM
Hmm... My previous post really sounds "depressed".

I'm not.

Just having a nice and easy afternoon.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 01:53:33 PM
Oh RLP you are NO fun!

But I think MATTH has a valid point....those of us who want to see the film and know Porter's music really would prefer it be done as written....those who DON'T know the music will not be attracted to it because it's sung by someone they know...how do "they" know that young people wouldn't enjoy the music as it was originally presented?  They won't even give it a chance.

Personally I probably won't see it on the big screen, unless the Evil Kurt wants to go...I am not a Kevin Kline fan...but I will watch it on a pay service and maybe even buy the DVD.  

I am not sitting in judgment on the film itself (although Jay gave us a nice review of it a few weeks ago) - just of the attitude of those in charge of the MOST IMPORTANT part of any musical biopic...the MUSIC.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 01:54:56 PM
Looking forward to hearing about DRJOSE's date!  A doctor.....child....it's a dream come true.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 01:59:41 PM
My answer to both of your questions DRJENNIFER is yes.  We have a few rabbits living under a large fir tree in our yard...and now and then the little bunnies hop out looking around and then immediately hop back under the tree.  I am hoping the neighborhood cats don't spy them

I'm not sure if you live in a country area, but I don't think bunnies are common here.  I mean I live in a suburb of Montreal.  But it is very developed.  I don't know where the rabbit came from or where he lives (or eats).  It's just so bizarre every time I see it.

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And yes....those tickets were for a raffle NOT the mailing/contact list.  We ask for people to sign up for the mailing list, but we don't make calls.  I know the Indiana Repertory Theatre does....they used to use their AUDITION lists to make calls.  Like someone who was never cast was going to spend money to see a show there.

And "don't call" would have been a good response.
 

It didn't all click until after I had hung up.  Otherwise I would have probably said something about them using the raffle tickets to get their mailing list.

At the very least I should have asked for my tickets to their next show (since they were calling my raffle ticket). :)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 02:01:58 PM
Hey DR Jason, since you are around, what is tonight's menu?  And go into as much detail as you can!  I love hearing about these foods I never eat.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 02:03:12 PM
It Should Happen to You is being remade with Kate Hudson. Kate Hudson the '04 Judy Holiday...
Is there anything that's NOT going to be remade??
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 29, 2004, 02:03:40 PM
Oh RLP you are NO fun!

But I think MATTH has a valid point....those of us who want to see the film and know Porter's music really would prefer it be done as written....those who DON'T know the music will not be attracted to it because it's sung by someone they know...how do "they" know that young people wouldn't enjoy the music as it was originally presented?  They won't even give it a chance.

Personally I probably won't see it on the big screen, unless the Evil Kurt wants to go...I am not a Kevin Kline fan...but I will watch it on a pay service and maybe even buy the DVD.  

I am not sitting in judgment on the film itself (although Jay gave us a nice review of it a few weeks ago) - just of the attitude of those in charge of the MOST IMPORTANT part of any musical biopic...the MUSIC.

I find it highly amusing that folks think there is only one way to present a song.

Cole Porter never seemed to mind that different artists performed his work at different tempi.  If he didn't mind, who the heck are "we" to mind?

And until the film is released and the use of the music is deemed wrong somehow, it's totally premature to make such judgments.

We get this type of thing every once in a while on this forum, and I find it disheartening because I think most of us generally love the music.   Is it so terribly wrong to wait and see?  Nothing I've reac that was "quoted" seems at all foreboding or horrid.  Yet the reactions seem knee-jerk and totally skidmark anal.

It may well be horrendous.  My point is, no one here KNOWS that to be true.  Stephen Endelman is an experienced composer/conductor.  It's probable that Porter experts were consulted, as well.

Think back to the orchestral scoring for "Evil Under the Sun" -- all Porter, all instrumental, some of it at different tempi from that which the songs were originally performed on Broadway or in movies (or both).  And it worked beautifully.

What's FUN about trashing something before it's even released?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Emily on June 29, 2004, 02:09:16 PM
I have never seen a bunny that wasn't a pet.

I feel so out of the fluffy-tailed-rodent loop :(
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 29, 2004, 02:10:58 PM
Looking forward to hearing about DRJOSE's date!  A doctor.....child....it's a dream come true.

Well, since we were supposed to meet at 5:00...  And it's past 5:00 now... Hmm...  Hope springs eternal...

*And, DR JRand53 - It actually took me a few reads to get the inflection in "A doctor....child....it's a dream come true." ;)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 02:11:45 PM
Yes, RLP, but these are specific songs that are supposed to be presented at  the time they were written by Porter at a specific time.  I am not trashing it, I am dismayed at the liberties they are taking, when they NEED NOT be to present the story they are claiming to present.

Porter probably wouldn't mind, that's true, but even Peter Bogdanavich was fairly faithful to notes and arrangements in his AT LONG LAST LOVE.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 02:12:18 PM
LOL...DRJOSE....is he meeting you at your house du jour?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Matt H. on June 29, 2004, 02:18:28 PM
DR RLP, we've had this discussion before, the last time about TROY. I am NOT passing judgment on a film to say that I have no interest in seeing it. From the number of articles I read about the making of films and then reviews from a number of different sources, this is how *I* decide what will get my entertainment dollar and what won't. That's what reviews and making-of features prior to a movie's release are for. Otherwise, all we have is advertising which we KNOW is going to tell us the movie is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

No thanks. I'll trust my own instincts, and I know you'll trust yours.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 29, 2004, 02:19:46 PM
Yes, RLP, but these are specific songs that are supposed to be presented at  the time they were written by Porter at a specific time.  I am not trashing it, I am dismayed at the liberties they are taking, when they NEED NOT be to present the story they are claiming to present.

Porter probably wouldn't mind, that's true, but even Peter Bogdanavich was fairly faithful to notes and arrangements in his AT LONG LAST LOVE.

Hmmmm....faithful the way "Star!" was faithful to the Lawrence catalog?  

And kept ticketbuyers away in droves?

Again...unless someone has seen the film and knows that the music is being presented inappropriately -- something I believe is being perpetrated as conjecture at this point -- such commentary seems like one of those reviews written by a critic who never saw the play.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Matt H. on June 29, 2004, 02:22:35 PM
DR RLP wrote:  "... knows that the music is being presented inappropriately -- something I believe is being perpetrated as conjecture at this point -- such commentary seems like one of those reviews written by a critic who never saw the play."


Reviews have been out for DE-LOVELY for a month and a half. It's already been seen at Cannes, and many critics have already filed opinions.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 29, 2004, 02:24:38 PM
And?

I've seen not one mention of a review or anything from anyone has seen the film.

I've seen not one reference to any "making of" feature or contents.

I've seen pronouncements and conjecture and dismissal.

But nothing to back it up.

Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 02:26:34 PM
I just wrote something....and decided not to post it.

It doesn't matter....no one ever wins these discussions.  The back and forth is fruitless.

I do not concede, but I will move on.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 29, 2004, 02:27:54 PM
 ;D
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: George on June 29, 2004, 02:34:31 PM
It Should Happen to You is being remade with Kate Hudson. Kate Hudson the '04 Judy Holiday...
Is there anything that's NOT going to be remade??

Nope. ::) I think I remember reading that even "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" is going to be remade! :o
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 02:36:54 PM
Here are a few:

http://www.killermovies.com/reviews/de-lovely-review-lok.html (http://www.killermovies.com/reviews/de-lovely-review-lok.html)

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie?id=6184946&pageid=rs.ReviewsMovieArchive&pageregion=mainRegion&afl=imdb (http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie?id=6184946&pageid=rs.ReviewsMovieArchive&pageregion=mainRegion&afl=imdb)

http://www.mixedreviews.net/maindishes/2004/delovely/delovely.shtml (http://www.mixedreviews.net/maindishes/2004/delovely/delovely.shtml)

http://www.culturevulture.net/Movies9/De-Lovely.htm (http://www.culturevulture.net/Movies9/De-Lovely.htm)

The last two are the most interesting to me (even though one reviewer thinks Rock Hudson played Porter in Night and Day) - I might go see the film after all.

Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 02:38:42 PM
DRPANNI - I was about the say "Attack of the 50 Foot Woman" would never be remade....and then I remembered....IT WAS...for HBO with Miss Daryl Hannah in the title role.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jay on June 29, 2004, 02:39:55 PM
Yes, RLP, but these are specific songs that are supposed to be presented at  the time they were written by Porter at a specific time.  I am not trashing it, I am dismayed at the liberties they are taking, when they NEED NOT be to present the story they are claiming to present.

Porter probably wouldn't mind, that's true, but even Peter Bogdanavich was fairly faithful to notes and arrangements in his AT LONG LAST LOVE.

Not exactly true.  Porter's music is used on the soundtrack to counterpoint the events of his life as they are played out on the screen.  Songs that were written late in Porter's life are used here and there to accompany scenes that depict Porter before he wrote them.

This is definitely NOT an "and then he wrote..." biopic.  It may be helpful to think of Porter's oeuvre as a body of work from which the film makers drew to create appropriately dramatic scoring for the action on-screen.

As I said previously, the film is at its strongest when the songs are used as counterpoint for the dramatic action being depicted.  It stumbles when the characters on screen (especially when it's more than just Cole and Linda) suddenly break into song and dance.

At least we are spared "In the Still of the Night" being sung as a Christmas carol by preternaturally cute children in the snow.

And this Dear Reader holds the opinion (apparently none too popular in these parts) that Porter's music is perfectly ripe for "interpretation."  Think of the variety of treatments that a song like "Love for Sale" has had over the years, ranging from dark and slow to dance-rhythm bright.  I do believe that this film offers a noble attempt in the handling of the music.  Some folks won't like it and others will, perhaps including people who've never been exposed to this music before.  My suggestion is that people judge the film on its own merits, and the soundtrack in the context of the film.

(To be clear, I am not saying that De-Lovely is the greatest film ever made.  Trust me, it has ample flaws.  It does have its merits though, and, in my humble opinion, it is worth seeing.)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 02:45:31 PM
Thanks DRJAY.  I am all for re-interpretation....no matter what some readers may I think I am saying.  

I am just saying that nothing gets old faster than the "brand new" and "now" sound of some instant star singers.  And trusting the material, especially when it is Porter, is not necessarily a bad thing to do.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 29, 2004, 02:47:43 PM
Hmm...

Since there are some teachers here on HHW...

Since there are some students here on HHW...

Since DR Jason is at home in Louisville right now...

Since I'm currently visiting my parents in Fairfax...

Here's a little something from today's Washington Post:

Mishap Forces Some in Fairfax to Retake SOL

<<<<<<<<<<

By Rosalind S. Helderman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 29, 2004; Page B05


More than 270 students at Edison High School in Fairfax have learned that a UPS conveyor belt in Kentucky ate their Standards of Learning exams.

A box containing hundreds of completed answer sheets for the standardized state tests disappeared at a massive United Parcel Service sorting facility in Louisville this month. Some Edison students will have to retake tests over the summer or in the fall because of the shipping accident -- the second in two years for the school in the Alexandria section of Fairfax County. More than 90 students retook tests last fall because a box of answer sheets was accidentally delivered to a private residence.

>>>>>>>>>>>

Here's the link to the full article... It's kind of funny.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13248-2004Jun28.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13248-2004Jun28.html)

-Also note, that the "Standards of Learning" tests are known as the "SOLs".  So, in essence, if you fail the SOL, you'll be SOL.  ;)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 02:52:43 PM
Don't these schools make copies of these things????
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 29, 2004, 02:54:20 PM

*And, DR JRand53 - It actually took me a few reads to get the inflection in "A doctor....child....it's a dream come true." ;)

Put this image in your mind:

(http://www.thenanny.com/nanny/p-sylvia.gif)

and then think Molly Goldberg!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Tomovoz on June 29, 2004, 02:54:36 PM
I have never seen a bunny that wasn't a pet.

I feel so out of the fluffy-tailed-rodent loop :(
OZ has rabbits destroying the countryside. They are a pest. We have them in the garden and the dogs ignore them. All attempts to rid Australia of the rabbit population have met with failure. I don't eat them. I'm always worried I might be eating the Easter Rabbit.
We have foxes (also an imported pest) but their numbers are out of control too - they prefer chicken to rabbit it seems!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 29, 2004, 03:08:06 PM
I'm DELIRIOUS!


I'm DELECTABLE!


I'm DELICIOUS!


I'm DELIMIT!


I'm DELUXE!


I'm DELOVELY!

Thanks for your perspective, DR Jay.  And you won't get more grief from me, JRand53.  I find you openminded and ever-tolerant (and you don't LECTURE or PRONOUNCE), and I think we were approaching the issue differently, although I think there is a lot of talent out there that we do not normally associate with theater or movie music that can add vitality in both genres.

I've spent a bit of time looking up reviews and have gotten some rather positive spins from critics I respect.  When Ebert and Roeper agree on something, there's usually something very worthwhile going on.

Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 03:18:50 PM
Off to rehearsal.

LOL...DerBrucer, exactly what I meant.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 03:22:54 PM
I am returning from a heart-stopping work incident. I was writing away, my characters chatting amongst themselves as I listened. Decided to print out. Hit Print and everything DISAPPEARED. Got it all back - hit Print - same thing. Finally I called Final Draft and discovered I was to have downloaded a new version of their latest software because of this very glitch. (I deleted the letter containing this information without looking at it. Who needs to read another Final Draft Newsletter? Well, obviously I DO.) Anyway, all seems to be working now. And the Tech Support person with the lovely name of "Anna" was actually very clear and helpful.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 29, 2004, 03:24:21 PM
Put this image in your mind:

(http://www.thenanny.com/nanny/p-sylvia.gif)

and then think Molly Goldberg!

Got it loud and clear...

Now I think I need to find another image to get that one out of my head! ;)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 29, 2004, 03:27:19 PM
DR Panni -  WHEW!  Is your heart-rate back down to normal now? ;)

I had a similar incident after spending hours working on some scores in a music notation program.  I never lost any of the work, but it did take a few work-arounds - and consultations - to fix the problem.  Oh, and there were a few moments of, "NOOOO!!  Stay away from the computer!!" ;)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 29, 2004, 03:28:20 PM
While I agree with both Jay & RLP that Porter's music is open to re-interpretation and I won't judge the film until I've seen it and heard the music, I also agree with MattH that forsaking the knowledgeable and true fans of Porter to try and scoop in the "younger crowd"or the "lowest common denominator" audience is always dangerous.  

If there is one thing I learned in the movie business (something David Selznick learned a long time ago) be true to classic material, trust the material, and go for your core audience first...Chances are if you spurn and alienate your core audience, you'll fail.  

I do have my doubts that just because Elvis Costello and Alanis Morisette (who may be true fans of the music...and even good interpretors) are singing Porter songs, the under thirty crowd will suddenly be flocking to the movie and snapping of CDs of the soundtrack.  But if it exposes more people to Porter's work...that can't necessarily be  bad either...

Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 03:28:40 PM
Jose - I'm to have dinner tonight with a friend. We made the plans a week ago. She's a very efficient person, so I wasn't going to confirm, but decided to do it anyway. Good thing I did. She had us down for NEXT Tuesday. It's alll straightened out now and we're dining tonight. But if I had just gone to the restaurant to meet her, I would have been (from my POV) stood up. And pissed off. This long boring tale is simply related to say to you that perhaps your doctor date got something mixed up. Check before you write off the poor medic.  :P
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Sandra on June 29, 2004, 03:29:45 PM
We have jackrabbits here. And their cousins, the jackalopes. We sometimes see a jackalope in the yard and we have to keep Joshie the kitten inside because the jackalope attacks him with his antlers.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 29, 2004, 03:30:13 PM
Well.. Since I was supposed to be out and about right now... And since I'm not out and about right now... I might as well head out and about right now...  There is 14-screen Multi-Plex just a 15 minute walk from here... Hmm...

Laters
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 29, 2004, 03:34:02 PM
Is there anything that's NOT going to be remade??

Yes, my bed The Attack of the Killer Tomatoes

Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: bk on June 29, 2004, 03:46:41 PM
Yes, I was going to point out that our very own Jay had given his thoughts on this film quites some weeks ago.  I also have no problem with different interpretations of songs, none at all.  I do have problems with certain "hip" singers, though.  But none of that is a hurdle for me - the hurdle is Irwin Winkler, the film's "director".  He's one of the world's worst, most lethargic and uninteresting directors and I've hated every film he's put his name on as director (I've liked some of his producer efforts).
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 29, 2004, 03:47:58 PM
Got it loud and clear...

Now I think I need to find another image to get that one out of my head! ;)

One of these should do the trick!

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/1631957/29025915.jpg)

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/1631957/22053010.jpg)

der Brucer (specializing in mental palette cleansing)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: MBarnum on June 29, 2004, 03:48:33 PM
I MARRIED A MONSTER FROM OUTER SPACE was even remade a couple of years ago....called I MARRIED A MONSTER..it was pretty good, too.

I am not adverse to remakes. Some of my favorite movies are remakes...IMITATION OF LIFE, ALICE IN WONDERLAND, DANTE'S INFERNO, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS...
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: George on June 29, 2004, 04:07:14 PM
One of these should do the trick!

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/1631957/29025915.jpg)

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/1631957/22053010.jpg)

der Brucer (specializing in mental palette cleansing)

Thank you! ;D
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 29, 2004, 04:19:04 PM
More on re-interpreting music.  If a musical film is depicting a specific time such as the thirties, forties, or fifties...I think the style and arrangement of the music should reflect those eras.  I would, for instance,  find it quite jarring and iritating to hear modern-day rock vibratos and American Idol runs and key changes laced into Mr. Porter's music in the current movie.  Don't take me out of the story by betraying its time frame.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jason on June 29, 2004, 04:32:27 PM
Jennifer: Tonight it's grilled porkchops with broccoli casserole and leftover potatoes from last night. YUM!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Robin on June 29, 2004, 04:35:06 PM
Well, I'm not exactly looking forward to seeing De-Lovely, but I'm willing to give it a chance.  But in all honesty, of all the musicians in the trailer, the only one I'm more than passingly familiar with is Elvis Costello.  
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 29, 2004, 04:35:22 PM
OZ has rabbits destroying the countryside. They are a pest. We have them in the garden and the dogs ignore them. All attempts to rid Australia of the rabbit population have met with failure. I don't eat them. I'm always worried I might be eating the Easter Rabbit.
We have foxes (also an imported pest) but their numbers are out of control too - they prefer chicken to rabbit it seems!

Well..according to this web site  Chicken Little of Oz (http://www.world_environment.homestead.com/index.html) you have grave problems with:

Rabbits
Foxes
Wild Pigs (“bore”)
Goats
House Cats
Myna Birds
Carp and Rainbow Trout
Cane Toads

(and as if life wasn't tough enough, killing the rabbits reduced the food supply for the foxes, endangering other mammals)

Reviewing this web site suggests that N.S.W stands for New Scared Wales - this guy really thinks the sky is falling (actually it was MIR falling that was going to infect all of OZ with microbes).

I did, however, learn the following:

Results of research confirm gravity as a new travel medium with a new speed for gravity, the final analysis of research shows gravity can be over a thousand times faster than the speed of light.

This will also explain how extraterrestrials might exploit travel within the known universe with the ability to suddenly vanish from radar screens and eye witness accounts of extremely fast, impossible maneuvers


der Brucer (you referred to "imported pests" - isn't that what the English call the Irish?)




Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 29, 2004, 04:38:16 PM
I MARRIED A MONSTER FROM OUTER SPACE was even remade a couple of years ago....called I MARRIED A MONSTER..it was pretty good, too.


Maybe we'll get a new version with Liza!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Robin on June 29, 2004, 04:39:53 PM
Has anyone here on HHW ever seen the movie Cane Toads: An Unnatural History?  Truly, one of the funniest, and strangest true stories I've ever seen...and when I first saw it, I thought it was all some kind of elaborate hoax.  Uh-uh.  
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 29, 2004, 04:48:18 PM
Has anyone here on HHW ever seen the movie Cane Toads: An Unnatural History?  Truly, one of the funniest, and strangest true stories I've ever seen...and when I first saw it, I thought it was all some kind of elaborate hoax.  Uh-uh.  

Cane-Toad Hysteria (http://www.world_environment.homestead.com/Introduced_Nasties.html) from Oz:

Cane Toads are the terror from the lily pond.

The Cane Toad has now made it to Port Macquarrie and is headed to Sydney, by the time the Olympics happen the swimmers may have to duck the toads in the Olympic Aquatic Pool.

What is needed obviously is a cane toad roundup in Queensland and also Northern N.S.W.

A bounty could be put on their heads for the toad roundup, baging them up by number or weight to send them to that great toad god in heavens pond.

Collectors would have to cover up with gloves because these toads are poisonous and excrete a white poison from glands near their head, gloves will stop you putting your fingers on your mouth.

The list of animal casualties by these poison pots is :

Dogs
Cats

Australian Fauna
birds including
Magpies
Crows
Currawongs
Native Frogs
Birds of prey

Reptiles
Goannas
Snakes
Crocodiles

If anyone can supply further names of our native fauna killed by theses toads please E-Mail the webmaster.
These toads eat our native frogs and tadpoles and small fish and insects.  

News -April 2000

The Cane Toad is on the verge of Kakadoo National Park a World Heritage Park
and will cause massive damage to wildlife as reported on the Television News.

Funding for reasearch work has been cut back by the present Federal Liberal Government.

News
It seems there has been a deliberate process of keeping the public in the dark about the spread of this pest into N.S.W.

Telegraph 22nd May, 2000 page 15
Invading cane toads spread across Sydney

The article states that permanent colonies of this pest are expected to become established in suburbs all over Sydney.

Suburbs where the toad has been found below:

Bicentenial Park - Homebush Bay
Brooklyn
Dural
Flemington Markets - imports from Queensland (fruit).
Kenthurst
Miranda
Mt. Annan near Campbelltown
Richmond
Sydney
Warringah Mall

All our drinking water supplies could be infested like Woronora Dam, Lake Burragorang / Warragamba Dam, no one has stated what effect this would have on our drinking water.

Don't forget large water storages could sustain millions of toads, they live in water.

Imagine - On all highways, driving over toads in Sydney, when you drive over one, they go pop - highway pizza, road kill, everywhere you go. What sort of impression are we going to give tourists?  

The article states there is no government funding for cane toad research at present and once they are established that will be it, we will not be able to do anything! The cane toad can produce 30,000 eggs/tadpoles at a time.

States that toads may be crossing the border from Queensland in landscaping supplies but people may be bringing them in also as this article mentions one that turned up from Fiji in a backpack.

Anyone remember the quarantine inspections on the Queensland border years ago, inspectors checked for fruit at this checkpoint to stop the fruit fly, somehow the bean counters have not added up the costs for the cane toad yet.

The National Parks and Wildlife are concerned that people might mistake our native toads and frogs for cane toads.

Cane toads now in Kakadu National Park
The Dialy Telegraph 14th of March 2001 page 4.

Several toads were found by rangers in the park on the eastern border about 30 km upstream.
This intrusion may affect the World Heritage status of the park as the bio-diversity will change.

This world famus park needs complete protection for the thousands of species that live there.

The international community needs to send a damming message to Australia's Environment Minister Senator Robert Hill via E-Mail or snail mail.

Help save Kakadu National Park.

Special Report - ABC 7.30 Report, 3rd of April 2001
Cane Toads in Kakadu National Park

Native Frogs

Eastern banjo frog
Striped marsh frog

Often people club the wrong ones ! ! ! !
If your not shure, what you have found, ring the Frog and Tadpole Study Group via your local National Parks and Wildlife service office in your area, check the phone book and ask them if they can put up a web page for reporting any sightings and show pictures of our native species and dirty big ugly pictures of the cane toad, yuck, its ugly.


der Brucer (who will stick with little hoppy-toads, thank-you)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Robin on June 29, 2004, 04:50:04 PM
I spent nearly three hours today getting OS X Panther onto the iMac...and it's purring like a big friendly cat.  And everything is so much faster!  
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Robin on June 29, 2004, 04:50:54 PM
Page five...and I still don't dance.

Don't ask me.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 29, 2004, 05:14:59 PM
A minor complaint...not that it's a big deal or anything.   And if it's ignored, I suspect I'll live with it.

I'm not a prude, but I do sometimes get bored with the attempts to occasionally turn this site into the old AFTER DARK magazine with beefcake shots of nearly-nude pretty young men for some of our members to drool over.  Is this really necessary?

You don't see the few heteros among our troops posting cheesecake photos of scantily-clad buxom babes for no apparent reason other than for their chums to lust over them.  

I mean when there is some sort of legitimate context (like we're talking about Hercules movies and someone posts a shot of Steve Reeves), fine, but if otherwise, can't these things be emailed to those who actually relish them?  There are enough sites on the internet of this stuff for both sexual persuasions that we don't really need to clutter our posting space with it.

End of mini-rant.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 29, 2004, 05:44:12 PM
You mean all those Allison Hayes pix don't count?

 :D

Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Robin on June 29, 2004, 05:54:40 PM
Actually, DR Pogue brings something I've wanted to ask for quite a while...are there any decent deeveedees of the Steve Reeves Hercules flicks?  I bought a double-feature a few years ago, a Madacy release, if I recall correctly, which was unfrickingwatchable.

I remember seeing these on a double-bill sometime in the late sixties, and I'd like to see them again in something approaching their original condition.  
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: MBarnum on June 29, 2004, 05:58:58 PM
A wee bit of a reminder to anyone DRs or Dear Lurkers who are in the NY area...my friend Charles Bloom's first musical comedy! Go see it if you can and tell him Michael sent you!! Here is a note from Charles that he sent out today.

To my Friends and Colleagues on both sides of the footlights:
 
Here's inviting you to the premiere production of INSOMNIA.
 
This is the first time a show of mine has been produced in New York before critics, a paying audience, bitchy gossips, etc... but, since I'm fresh out of nervous breakdowns, I've chosen to enjoy myself. I hope most or all of you will be able to attend.
 
As you'll see, the performances times vary so, perhaps,  one will align favorably with your schedules. There's even a performance on Saturday, July 24th at 10:30 AM! You get a gold star if you make it to that one. Ah, well. Such is life in a festival.
 
I've embedded our colorful flyer in this e-mail. If anything is unclear, hard to read, doesn't download, etc... just e-mail me and I'll send it to you personally as an "attachment" or call
SMARTTIX (212) 868-4444. They'll answer all questions.
 
'Hope everyone is enjoying this temporarily mild summer.
I look forward to seeing you at INSOMNIA.
 
PS:
Please feel free to forward this e-mail to any theatre-files in your...well,...files whom you would feel would find seeing a new piece be an interesting way to spend 90
intermission-less minutes.
 
As Always,
 
-Charlie
 

 
 
 
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 05:59:34 PM
Change of topic... sort of. I thought it was quite brave of Dylan Walsh on Nip/Tuck last week to do the mid-life crisis scene where he stares at his flabby rear end in the mirror. Showed an utter lack of vanity (and a flabby butt).
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: MBarnum on June 29, 2004, 06:00:52 PM
Actually, DR Pogue brings something I've wanted to ask for quite a while...are there any decent deeveedees of the Steve Reeves Hercules flicks?  I bought a double-feature a few years ago, a Madacy release, if I recall correctly, which was unfrickingwatchable.

I remember seeing these on a double-bill sometime in the late sixties, and I'd like to see them again in something approaching their original condition.  

Robin, the Alpha DVD or HERCULES is not too hot...watchable, but not all that great. The Alpha DVD of HERCULES UNCHAINED, however, is very, very nice! Way too nice for a budget DVD! I was quite impressed.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 06:08:20 PM
I'm off to dine at a place I've never dined before. A new joint called Minibar. Sounds a bit too trendy for my taste, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. The Times did say that it "has a sweet-natured goofy charm all its own." Sounds just like me! Will report later.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jay on June 29, 2004, 06:12:13 PM
A minor complaint...not that it's a big deal or anything.   And if it's ignored, I suspect I'll live with it.

I'm not a prude, but I do sometimes get bored with the attempts to occasionally turn this site into the old AFTER DARK magazine with beefcake shots of nearly-nude pretty young men for some of our members to drool over.  Is this really necessary?

You don't see the few heteros among our troops posting cheesecake photos of scantily-clad buxom babes for no apparent reason other than for their chums to lust over them.  

I mean when there is some sort of legitimate context (like we're talking about Hercules movies and someone posts a shot of Steve Reeves), fine, but if otherwise, can't these things be emailed to those who actually relish them?  There are enough sites on the internet of this stuff for both sexual persuasions that we don't really need to clutter our posting space with it.

End of mini-rant.

Aww, shucks.  No more pictures like this one, which you posted yourself, Dear Reader Charles Pogue?

 ;)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 06:23:38 PM
Question: have any DRs seen wild bunnies?
No, but there's a Hooters in town.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 06:31:51 PM
And yes....those tickets were for a raffle NOT the mailing/contact list.  We ask for people to sign up for the mailing list, but we don't make calls.  I know the Indiana Repertory Theatre does....they used to use their AUDITION lists to make calls.  Like someone who was never cast was going to spend money to see a show there.

And "don't call" would have been a good response.  
Well, tacky people do tacky things.

I can fully understand using a mailing list for a mailing, and after a week or so following up with a personal call (offering more information, that sort of thing), but using AUDITION LISTS?  Yipes.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: bk on June 29, 2004, 06:43:16 PM
There's an excellent French DVD of the original Hercules in its proper 2:35 ratio, enhanced for widescreen TVs and with the English dub.  Region 2, of course, but worth getting if you have a multi-region player.  I can't watch these films pan and scan.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 29, 2004, 06:46:54 PM
Well, tacky people do tacky things.

I can fully understand using a mailing list for a mailing, and after a week or so following up with a personal call (offering more information, that sort of thing), but using AUDITION LISTS?  Yipes.

Well... One place I used to work for would start making calls about a week after the "yes and no" calls were made asking those who did not get into the show if they were interested in volunteering to be on one of the crews for the show.  "Hello, we know you didn't get cast, but would you like to change the scenery for the people who did get cast?"  The noyve!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 06:49:38 PM
Time for a decent home-cooked meal.  After two days of food served by der Brucer's daughter, we really need something...well, edible is the best word I can find.

I think some spaghetti, lightly sauced with tomatoes, and boneless, skinless chicken thighs.  And maybe some broccoli on the side.

And NO PRETZEL SALAD!  My skin still crawls at the thought.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 06:51:59 PM
I've also got to think up something to do with artichokes.  We bought two for that daughter of der B's, because she likes them, but since she said she already had dinner planned (as if) we didn't deliver.  

Any favorite things to do with artichokes, out there?  
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: George on June 29, 2004, 07:06:40 PM
I've never tried this, but how about Shrimp-Artichoke Frittata (http://houseandhome.msn.com/food/recipes/RecipeDetail.aspx?rid=2286)?  And if you scroll down near the bottom of the page, you can search for recipes by keyword or browse by category!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: George on June 29, 2004, 07:10:13 PM
Wait!  Woody, do you have frozen artichokes or fresh?  The recipe calls for frozen.  I didn't think about that.  And the other recipes seem to call for them frozen in a jar.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 07:12:39 PM
Hey re: the musical INSOMNIA, I see Eric Millegan is in it.

The one thing I didn't notice is what the show is about.  Is there some sort of summary or song list?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jennifer on June 29, 2004, 07:13:39 PM
DR S Woody what did the daugher make that was so bad?  And could it really have been that awful?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: PennyO on June 29, 2004, 07:17:43 PM
I like artichokes just steamed well, with a side of melted butter.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: PennyO on June 29, 2004, 07:23:07 PM
A friend who teaches at the BMI musical theater workshop just IM'd me this, in re: Insomnia:

Charley Bloom is a very smart and clever fellow,   ... but he is talented.
 Charlie is also the son of B-movie actress Carolyn Kearney and Hollywood screenwriter and teleplay scribe Harold Jack Bloom ... so he's got an interesting backstory.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: PennyO on June 29, 2004, 07:23:49 PM
and this: "I remember how flabbergasted and pleased he was over dinner shared with BMIers one night to hear that not only did I know his father's byline, I could rattle off a number of his credits."
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: bk on June 29, 2004, 07:48:45 PM
Well, you won't believe it - T. Minoff just called me and said that the rights holders to our backup play called and said they'd made a mistake and that the rights are not available for LA because the author is holding out for a major production.  They will RUE the day, oh, yes, they will RUE the day, because they sent us a contract immediately, which we have, which has dates, venue, and everything else spelled out.  We are not going to make this easy on them.  Perhaps we'll point out that if there were to have been a "major" LA production it would have happened long before this - much closer to the show's 2001 NY run (which was not a success).  That, coupled with the film release of last year and said film's being a total bomb, well, what ARE they going on about?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: PennyO on June 29, 2004, 07:50:24 PM
go get 'em, Bruce!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: PennyO on June 29, 2004, 07:51:34 PM
Which play was that, again???
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: bk on June 29, 2004, 08:09:20 PM
Say, where in tarnation IS everyone?  Is our Jason back in NY yet?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 08:14:07 PM
Wait!  Woody, do you have frozen artichokes or fresh?  The recipe calls for frozen.  I didn't think about that.  And the other recipes seem to call for them frozen in a jar.
They're fresh.

Frozen?  How odd.  Frozen in a jar, odder still.

Still, I usually get ideas from recipes, rather than follow them to the letter.  And there's a great fishmonger just around the corner from where I work.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Matt H. on June 29, 2004, 08:25:07 PM
I did post my reaction to the VARIETY review of DE-LOVELY the day the review appeared on the VARIETY website. There WAS discussion about the movie several weeks ago in reaction to these reviews and to articles posted on the internet about the upcoming film and its imminent release at Cannes. You might not have seen them, but we DID write about them.

Doesn't matter, I will still make up my own mind about seeing this film and others based on things I read and my own interpretation of those articles. Why should anyone have to defend his own decisions on this website?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 08:26:31 PM
DR S Woody what did the daugher make that was so bad?  And could it really have been that awful?
It wasn't that the dear daughter made anything that was awful.  She had everyone else do all the cooking.  (She can't even boil water without it turning out poorly, poor thing.)  And had me tone down what I made to their level, which was insipidly awful.

Check Sunday's posts, late Sunday, for the details.

Tonight's dinner, in constrast, had flavor.

Boneless, skinless chicken thighs, cut bite-size, browned and turned over to start browning on the other side.  Add some salt, pepper, oregano, basil, garlic powder.  Pour on a can of diced tomatoes and a can of tomato sauce.  Add some mushrooms(sliced), stir a bit and simmer at medium-low while the spaghetti cooks.  Serve with steamed broccoli and Parmesan.

This is something der B's daughter and her crowd would deem "too complicated."
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 08:30:28 PM
I have a question about De-Lovely:

Does Kevin Kline take off his shirt and show off his chest?

BRING ON THE BEEFCAKE!  

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Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 08:31:59 PM
Page Six Dance!

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Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jason on June 29, 2004, 08:40:29 PM
BK: I'm in Kentucky for the week. I'll be back in New York on the 5th.

Re. your contract woes: Unfortunately, rights holders have the final say in who produces their shows and when and they have the right to pull any contracts that may have already been issued. You may be able to appeal it, but it sounds like they sort of have you in a corner.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Matt H. on June 29, 2004, 08:49:50 PM
DR Jay, I read that rather than using his own pretty wonderful baritone voice, Kevin Kline sings in a nasally flat way in the film to ape Cole Porter's vocal style in DE-LOVELY. True?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Matt H. on June 29, 2004, 08:51:53 PM
Well, I think bedtime is fast approaching. I'll say good night now.

Good night.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: George on June 29, 2004, 08:55:46 PM
Wait!  Woody, do you have frozen artichokes or fresh?  The recipe calls for frozen.  I didn't think about that.  And the other recipes seem to call for them frozen in a jar.
They're fresh.

Frozen?  How odd.  Frozen in a jar, odder still.

Still, I usually get ideas from recipes, rather than follow them to the letter.  And there's a great fishmonger just around the corner from where I work.

Oops!  Of course, I meant, "frozen OR in a jar." ::)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: td on June 29, 2004, 09:11:52 PM
Just gotta ask, am I the only one who really liked RED, HOT & COLE?
Lord knows that Porter holds up no matter what drek is done with actors (Cary Grant), singers (David Byrne) or what not.  RH&Cole is delightful.
I was discussing the rabbit situation only Sunday with one of Tomovoz' countrymen. . . .see sunday's posts to see pictures. . ..
and, having played Jerry five times, i would have to say that THE ZOO STORY rates very highly.  I also like HOGAN'S GOAT.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: td on June 29, 2004, 09:15:47 PM
Has anyone a clue/clew/clough where TD has disappeared to?

He hasn't posted since night before last!



Thanks for asking. . .
I'm out and about, recovering from the long weekend, working on a new cabaret. . .all the usual stuff that keeps me away from a computer. . .
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 29, 2004, 09:32:33 PM
DR Matt H - When Kevin Kline was on Letterman the other night, he said that he did not use his regular singing voice for the movie.  I can't remember his exact words, but he did say he tried to sound like Cole Porter.

In other news...

"Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" made over a gay guy tonight.  It was very interesting.  The whole dynamic did change, and their "subject" was quite interesting.  You could tell he was truly overwhelmed by everything, kind of in shock.  I hope they do a follow up on him.

Well, I'm kind of tired.. I fell asleep on the coach last night which is comfortable, but not that comfortable, so I was kind of tired all day.  Hopefully, I'll make it to bed tonight, and get some better sleep.

OK... Goodnight.

Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: MBarnum on June 29, 2004, 09:33:09 PM
DR Jennifer, the plot for INSOMNIA is a follows..."A gay screenwriter in Hollywood tosses and turns with his many and varied, personal and professional demons on a humorous and poignant journey towards love, family and the dawn of self-discovery over the course of a sleepless night in this new musical comedy."
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 29, 2004, 09:39:35 PM
Ah, yes, Jay, but there was a context to that posting, as there is with the Alison Fraser postings...I suppose.  Again, only a quibble.  Maybe I'm just cranky today.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: td on June 29, 2004, 09:41:59 PM
Ah, yes, Jay, but there was a context to that posting, as there is with the Alison Fraser postings...I suppose.  Again, only a quibble.  Maybe I'm just cranky today.

I just love it when Ms. Fraser sings "Beware of the blob."
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jay on June 29, 2004, 10:17:10 PM
DR Jay, I read that rather than using his own pretty wonderful baritone voice, Kevin Kline sings in a nasally flat way in the film to ape Cole Porter's vocal style in DE-LOVELY. True?

True and not true.  In the scenes where Porter is depicted as performing his own music, though he doesn't sing as flat and nasally as Porter himself did, Kline doesn't let his baritone ring, either.  In the scenes where dialogue transitions to in-character song, Kline does display his rather respectable singing voice.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jay on June 29, 2004, 10:31:38 PM
Confidential to Dear Reader S. Woody White:  I tried to respond to your note, but your HHW mailbox is full.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 10:32:07 PM
Well actually, DRCP - I think Jay mentioned the ALLISON HAYES posts, not the Alison Fraser posts....   ;D

And since I can't see any pics right now or even the avatars of DRs SWW or DERBRUCER....perhaps they have been vaccinated!  :P

Wait a minute, hold the phone.....call Dr Freud, DR JOSE just wrote that he fell asleep on the COACH last night!  :o

And because it is Tuesday on the West Coast, here is the controversial Allison Hayes Picture of the Week.  As Jayne Mansfield so eloquently put it:  "Of course a girl has to have talent to make it in Hollywood - but she doesn't have to go around wearing blankets over herself!"   8)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 10:47:12 PM
I am watching 2001: A Space Odyssey.


Just a moment....just a moment....

My mind is going, Dave.  I can feel it.  I can feel it.  I am afraid.

....My instructor was Mr Langley and he taught me to sing a song.  If you would like to hear it, I can sing it for you....it's called 'Daisy'.  Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do...I'm half crazy...all for the love......of...you....it won't be a stylish marriage....I can't afford a carriage....but...you'll...look...sweet...upon...the.........seat...... of a...bicycle...built..for....two.................. .........
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: bk on June 29, 2004, 10:50:04 PM
I was going to post a beefcake picture of myself this evening, but now I won't.  Has anyone a clew as to why women's pix are cheesecake, and men's pix are beefcake?  Why not porkcake for men?  Why not coffeecake for women?
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 11:22:09 PM
Minibar was an interesting place, too noisy and trendy for me, but fun for one visit. The room is decorated with giant faces from 60's Keane paintings; huge ceramic polka dot discs cover one wall. Fox News was there and my friend and I were interviewed as to why we liked the place. My first and (I hope) last time on Fox News. The food was delicious. The portions are small and you share a number of items. For those who are interested, here's what we had:

coconut shrimp bisque
thai spices and coconut milk topped with a savory truffled whipped cream (My favorite - served in a teapot with two bowls - delicious!)

yucca bread
golden puffy yucca flour biscuit with smoked gouda, served warm

duck confit mini eggrolls
shredded roasted duck flavored with chinese bbq sauce wrapped in wonton skin and served w/a spicy cilantro-peanut sauce

salmon-brie strudel
fresh salmon, grilled shiitake mushrooms and brie baked phyllo dough and served w/a honey mustard dip

goat cheese portabello cap
warm spinach, onion fennel marmalade and sun dried tomato salad stacked on a grilled portabello and topped w/ curried goat cheese





Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 11:24:46 PM
Cheesecake in the literal sense is a rich dessert made of cream cheese, butter and sugar.  Cheesecake as a slang term for non hardcore photos of women, leg art, or in short skirts, bathing costumes, etc., first arose in the depths of the depression.  At that time even having the basic necessities of life was difficult, so these lovely girls would have seemed as unattainable to the average reader of the pulp and glossy magazines as a rich, expensive dessert - cheesecake.

Beefcake....came a bit later....the beef referring of course to the muscles.  
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 11:28:41 PM
Minibar was an interesting place, too noisy and trendy for me, but fun for one visit....Fox News was there and my friend and I were interviewed as to why we liked the place. My first and (I hope) last time on Fox News....
Oh, I would hope not, dear DR Panni.  They could use a bit of class.

Come to think of it, most news stations could use a bit of class, as exemplified by you.

Not flattery, just truth.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 11:29:34 PM
Confidential to Dear Reader S. Woody White:  I tried to respond to your note, but your HHW mailbox is full.
I'll try to rectify that at once!  Thanks for the notice!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 11:29:59 PM
OMG DRPANNI - I would have been unable to eat under such scrutiny.   :o
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 11:31:06 PM
Why, SWW, I'm blushing! Thank you for the kind words.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jed on June 29, 2004, 11:31:29 PM
Boneless, skinless chicken thighs, cut bite-size, browned and turned over to start browning on the other side.  Add some salt, pepper, oregano, basil, garlic powder.  Pour on a can of diced tomatoes and a can of tomato sauce.  Add some mushrooms(sliced), stir a bit and simmer at medium-low while the spaghetti cooks.  Serve with steamed broccoli and Parmesan.

This is something der B's daughter and her crowd would deem "too complicated."

And something I would deem "darn tasty."
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 11:32:10 PM
Now if anyone has read with interest DR JMK's writings on Frances Farmer....you can go to this link and hear actress Lois Kibbee discussing with Patrick Agan her experience with Frances when she was ghostwriting Frances' autobiography.

Frances sister in law Ruth also has a lot to say about Frances.  It is all very interesting.   ;D


http://www.geocities.com/~themistyone/related_audio.htm (http://www.geocities.com/~themistyone/related_audio.htm)
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 11:33:06 PM
OMG DRPANNI - I would have been unable to eat under such scrutiny.  

And think gigantic, JR. These sad creatures were HUGE!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 11:36:47 PM
Why, SWW, I'm blushing! Thank you for the kind words.
You're quite welcome, but I never give flattery where it isn't deserved.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 11:39:41 PM
I am shaking....shakalaka shakalaka.....

Although Walter Keane has the copyrights on the paintings, they were done by his wife Margaret who became one of Jehovah's Witnesses in the 1970's and does not paint much anymore.  Her husband  owns the rights to the "big eye" pictures.

Margaret and Walter have been divorced many years, and when they went to court to establish who painted the pictures....a "paint off" was held.  Margaret of course was the winner.

She now paints smiling big eyed children.

How's that for a TV Movie?  Hey, Lifetime!!!

http://besmirched.tripod.com/margaret.html

Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: S. Woody White on June 29, 2004, 11:43:36 PM
He's not one to toot his own horn, so I'll toot it for him.

One of der Brucer's latest projects is helping a young midshipman re-adjust to having been booted out of Annapolis.  It's an e-mail thing; I doubt we'll be meeting the fellow in person.  Still, it's good to know that der Brucer is willing to give his time and experience to a much younger person, and help the guy get his life back on track.

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is a terrible thing.  One moment, the guy was a midshipman at the Naval Academy, now he's working at Blockbuster.

I'm just so proud of der B for being there, to help when he's needed.

edited for punctuation
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 11:46:29 PM
SWW I can't see your avatar!!!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 11:46:47 PM
Points for Der Brucer!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Panni on June 29, 2004, 11:49:34 PM
"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is a terrible thing.  One moment, the guy was a midshipman at the Naval Academy, now he's working at Blockbuster.

How utterly stupid! Under any circumstances - but especially now, when the military can't afford to lose good men and women. I bet this young man would have done the Navy proud.

Good for der Brucer!
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 11:52:22 PM
Page 7 Hockey Dance!!   ;D
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: Jrand73 on June 29, 2004, 11:56:32 PM
And so goodnight.
Title: Re:SUCH GOINGS ON
Post by: George on June 29, 2004, 11:59:08 PM
"Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow."
Jane Curtain