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Title: PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 12:03:36 AM
Well, you've read the notes and you know all that was within them, therefore you may feel comfortable to post until the cows come home and then some. ;D 8) ::) :P
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Ann on January 22, 2004, 12:15:57 AM
bk - I can't wait until that particular book is mine to read.  The ending of the last one has me on tenterhooks.  

Fish recipies...I love fish, but I can't think of real recipies.  Lemon pepper fish was always a favorite growing up, but I don't know the actual recipe.  My favorite fish dish that I make is as follows
Take a salmon fillet
Toss it on the George Foreman grill
Toss on some Johnny's seafood seasoning on both sides
Grill untll flaky
Toss on a plate
Consume.
I call it Tossed Salmon :)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: George on January 22, 2004, 12:16:50 AM
Okay, this is my favorite fish recipe:  go to McDonald's, order one "Filet O' Fish with slivered onions added and an extra large drink," pay for Filet O' Fish and extra large drink, take Filet O' Fish and extra large cup to cola dispenser, fill extra large cup with Diet Coke, take food-and-drink-stuffs to table, sit, eat Filet O' Fish and drink Diet Coke at leisure.  When leaving, refill extra large cup with more Diet Coke. ;D
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Panni on January 22, 2004, 12:29:11 AM
I love fish but I rarely make it at home because the smell
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]lingers[/move]

Thus my favorite fish recipe involves going to a good restaurant and ordering a delectable fish dish.

On that fishy note, good-night.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Tomovoz on January 22, 2004, 12:42:54 AM
I am not really a fan of fish. I know it is supposed to be good for me so I do eat a fish meal each week. My favourite is Atlantic salmon just simply grilled or baked and served with lemon. I avoid shellfish whenever possible  but have been known to enjoy a seafood chowder or lobster bisque at my favourite restaurant - I am more likely to order them if the alternatives are mushroom or asparagus soup.
One of my least favourite smells is fish - I don't know how people could work in a fish market but I guess they get used to it.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Tomovoz on January 22, 2004, 12:44:46 AM
That of course was my morning post as I am not awake when you are posting pre lunch.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 02:44:26 AM
Gorton's lemon pepper fish filets. Cook 'em up and eat 'em!  With fries!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: SwishySarah on January 22, 2004, 04:24:03 AM
I like fish. They're fun pets because you don't have to do anything with them, and they're perfectly happy. There is one thing I DON'T like about fish: Eating them. YUCK! It takes a lot to make me eat seafood, namely an expensive restaurant and a bribe. I know that when my mom makes fish for the REST of the family, she makes this breading type thing out of crushed Ritz crackers. I couldn't tell you if it tastes good or not.

Today is going to be a very, very good day. I can feel it.

Good Morning, everyone!

...Remember the days when we used to compete for the first post, and Emily would always end up in second, dancing the Second Post Dance? Just a weird memory.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2004, 04:53:05 AM
I was going to post a London shot but the uploader is full and I need to contact the Administrator so I won't be giving you a shot of London this morning. Oh, well. I hope it's not me and my vacation shots that have filled the uploader!!!

I am here by myself this morning in January.

George, you have a McDonald's that lets you fill up your own drink cup??? Like at Subway??? These McDonalds have not hit NYC yet, or they are places I don't see.

I love fish but as Panni said, I rarely make it at home. We cook in the apartment, but we have a very small kitchen and it can be difficult making some foodstuffs. Also, the smell can be a problem. So, like Panni, I also order fish when I go out to eat.

And that is my morning post.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2004, 04:54:03 AM
Ah, I am wrong, Miss Swishy is here to keep me company, but I will be leaving momentarily to return to the dreaded "work".
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 05:04:43 AM
Hey, John Kerry, why the long face?  Vicki Lester says "Lose that long face!"  ;D

I tried a test picture as well and got the same error message.   :P  How strange, I thought the internet was unlimited!  How can there be too many pictures on the internet?  How can this be, especially since most of our pictures are linked from our own computers and not servers here?  I don't know, but then I am ignored [by the tech wizard] on the Tech Board....

Hmmmmmm....maybe someday we will know what it all means.   ;D
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on January 22, 2004, 05:23:42 AM
This is hardly a recipe, but I like plain fish. Timing is crucial. A few years I purchased a filet of Atlantic salmon "to feed three." The woman at the counter told me drizzle the fish with a bit of olive oil and then to bake it at 375 degrees for 22 minutes - not more, not less. It came out perfectly. So if there are three for dinner, that's what I often serve (along with basmati rice and a fresh mango salsa). I also like lake perch, lightly floured and salted, then fried in butter/oil (2 minutes each side) and served with a caper, lemon and butter sauce. I like fish and chips, but am fussy about what it's fried in. Everyone says that beef tallow is best, but I can't handle that. Finally (Emily STOP READING NOW) I have an excellent recipe for gefilte fish. Some Passovers ago it was printed in the NY Times, and comes from former Manhattan borough president and one-time mayoral candidate Ruth Messinger. I suspect demand is minimal, but I'd be happy to e-mail the recipe to any takers. (How about an unseemly gefilte fish contest: predict how many requests I'm going to get.)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 05:48:27 AM
Yes, like DinTO - if fish is being prepared at my house, it is baked rather than fried or grilled.

I have a question for the DR's here at HHW.  I have looked here and there on the WWW and can't really find an article or site that answers my question.

Was the changeover from 78 rpm records to LP records a gradual thing, or were the LP's immediately embraced by the public?  And when did 45's and 45 EP's begin to be manufactured?  I don't think I ever bought a 78 RPM record - a few now as collectibles - but I always had the 45 rpm or 33 1/3 album!  Is there a website that discusses this changeover?  Was there resistance to the LP?  

I know we recently went through the LP to CD (to a lesser extent LP to cassette) and it seemed to be sudden....or at least occurred over a short period of time....was the previous revolution similar?
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 06:05:11 AM
Where are DR's Jose and Jason?

Jason - check your MTI mailbox - you should have something there today!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Noel on January 22, 2004, 06:08:22 AM
Love fish.  Would eat it all the time if it weren't so expensive.  On the honeymoon, we sampled some of Savannah's best fish dishes, and sushi is a regular part of our lives.

But you asked for a recipe.  I may have given this before.

Melt butter in a skillet.  Maybe a spot of olive oil.  Throw in as many bay scallops as will fit (these are the small kind of scallops; you can easily fit two on a fork).  Sprinkle on tarragon flakes.  Turn when brown.  Pour the whole thing over angel hair.  Voila.

(I, for one, love pronouncing "voila" as it's written, as if I don't know it's french.)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jennifer on January 22, 2004, 06:19:53 AM
Hi all.  Okay question, BK in the notes you said you bought the movie "divorce". Do you mean "le divorce" (with Kate Hudson). If so I"m curious to hear how you like it.

As for promises, I completely agree. It is one of the most important things to keep one's promise.  And I totally hate it when others don't take it as seriously.

As for fish, I have not made this in a long time, but it is actually quite good. Did you guys know that you can poach salmon (usually i use just regular frozen pieces) in the microwave?

If you put it on a plate, and defrost the salmon (if it's frozen). Then cover it with lettuce. I think you cook it for either 5 minutes a side (or something like that - try it for half that time first).

But it comes out totally poached and really good. Surprisingly good.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jennifer on January 22, 2004, 06:25:53 AM
Hey Bruce, re: the promise you mention in your notes (and in last night's posts), I would just gently remind the person what they promised. And maybe if they can't do it, then they will have an explanation as to why.  But if they don't want to do it, then you should just find someone who does want to do it.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: William E. Lurie on January 22, 2004, 06:34:10 AM
Open a can of tunafish.  Add a little mayo.  Spread on bread (any flavor) and eat.

Jrand --- The 45 and the 33 were introduced at about the same time (early 50s) as rival formats (similar to the VHS vs. Beta thirty years later).  RCA was backing the 45 while Columbia favored the 33.  Ultimately neither format "won", but they did manage to make the 78 obsolete in less than ten years.

78s could only hold about four minutes per side and were very easily breakable.  For a complete opera you needed 20 or more records.  Cast albums usually had 6 to 8 records.  It is no wonder that the newer formats became popular so fast.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 06:36:38 AM
DR Jennifer - I think Mr BK said he bought
Divorce: American Style - a movie with Miss Debbie Reynolds.

Yes, broken promises - I was NOT going to say anything, because it is such a volatile subject....well...it is sad.  I hope it works out.  Doesn't sound "promising" but perhaps said party will surprise you, MR BK.

And I have found that sometimes asking someone "Do you promise?" is just the reason they have for not keeping said promise....so I never ask that anymore.  I accept that they will....even though sometimes they don't, and it is beyond disappointing when that happens.

And that is when the Saul Bass title sequence from Bonjour Tristesse is so appropriate.   :'(
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 06:41:04 AM
Thanks DRWEL - I hadn't realized that 45's and LP's were in a competition!  How interesting!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: William E. Lurie on January 22, 2004, 06:42:27 AM
Jennifer---
BK said he bought DIVORCE, AMERICAN STYLE.  This is  a comedy from the early 60s written by Norman Lear, directed by Bud Yorkin and starring Debbie Reynolds, Dick Van Dyke, Jason Robards, Jean Simmons, Van Johnson and several other popular comics of the day.  Kate Hudson wasn't even born yet when the film came out.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: William E. Lurie on January 22, 2004, 06:47:30 AM
Jrand---
They were in competition because each was backed by one of the two major labels of the day and each sold  phonographs that played only their speed.  I don't think either of them thought that other companies would make phonographs that played all 3 speeds, though that came in handy when Betty and Adolph created the form of taking bets at Susanswerphone (it's a simple little system).
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 06:56:49 AM
Ahhhhhhhhhh----sort of like what would happen with CBS and NBC and their different color television systems.  So RCA made the 45 rpm phono and Columbia made the LP phonograph....of course Sears would make one that played BOTH speeds....as would Emerson and Audiotronics...LOL!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 06:57:19 AM
Benjamin Kritzer is on his way to Puerto Rico with DR the Evil Kurt!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: MBarnum on January 22, 2004, 07:18:57 AM
I love fish...especially salmon and trout! But as I am not much of a cook I just throw it on the George Foreman grill and it is done! I don't even add any spices or anything to it most of the time.

Maybe the better cooks on HHW should make The Official HHW Cookbook! I would buy it...but I then would want those DRs to come to my house and cook the items for me! LOL!

I always feel that food tastes better when someone else does the cooking! LOL!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 07:30:09 AM
DIVORCE AMERICAN STYLE was not early 60s, WEL. It was 1967. You're right about the other particulars.

No fish recipes from me. I've never cooked it (other than maybe warming frozen fish sticks in the oven), and will eat it if we're at a seafood place and choices are limited (I prefer shrimp, scallops, and clams.)

I don't think we talked AMERICAN IDOL last night, but the worst yet? I think so. Seeing the few that got passes to Hollywood last night made me angrier than the female soldier on the first night got passed over. She had much more talent and charisma than any of the folks last night. Ah, the luck of the draw. Sometimes you DO have to be in the right place at the right time.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 07:33:03 AM
I was a BIG fan of THE FRONT when it first came out. I think it placed second on my list of ten best films of its year, if I remember correctly. I will look forward to adding this to my collection.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2004, 07:37:39 AM
MBarnum, you sound like my Anthony. His quote is "If I don't have to cook it or clean up, it's Gourmet!"
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 07:37:46 AM
As I mentioned the other day when we were talking LPs, our record player (not a stereo, mind you) could play 16s, 33 1/3s, 45s, and 78s.

I didn't know they were competing formats (45s and 33s), however. Why did RCA issue LPs and Columbia 45s? Or did RCA start issuing LPs much later than Columbia? And when did Decca, which was among the biggest of the labels) start issuing LPs? What we need is a brief history of the LP and its acceptance in the common culture.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 07:47:08 AM
Exactly DRMATTH - I have looked on the internet and found bits and pieces of the story...and WEL provided an interesting chapter....  Hmmmmmmmm.....switch your companies...I think it was RCA that did the 45's and Columbia the LP's....  And I remember a few phonos that only played 45's...tiny portable ones where you could stack ten or so ....  hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 08:00:30 AM
Interesting article here on RCA and 45 rpm's, DR's who are interested can click....others can walk on by....   ;D

http://www.history-of-rock.com/fortyfive_birth.htm (http://www.history-of-rock.com/fortyfive_birth.htm)


And still more  ;D

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_258b.html (http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_258b.html)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Kerry on January 22, 2004, 08:02:39 AM
DRMusicGuy cooks the fish-- he did so last night, in fact.

I thought the 78/45/33 crossover was around 1958 or so.  For awhile you could buy an album in all three formats ("Annie Get Your Gun") being an example I remember from my childhood.   78's became obsolete, and 45's started being used mainly as singles and as EP's.  I'm sure much of that also had something to do with whichever mob controlled which jukeboxes and what was played on the jukeboxes.
 ..............So many influences on our daily lives that we don't even know about.

I remembered "Divorce, American Style" as not being a very funny comedy.  I did love the choreography of the closet doors and what-not as Debbie Reynolds and Dick Van Dyke got undressed and then dressed for bed at the very beginning of the film.  Nice timing.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: PennyO on January 22, 2004, 08:11:42 AM
Just speaking of Debbie Reynolds, yesterday during my drive down, I heard her recording of Tammy's In Love - oh, my gosh. She really was a wonderful singer.

I LOVE "THE FRONT" - seen it several times.

And, up thar in the great Northwoods, salmon is so fine - I buy the Slab O' Salmon at Costco Issaquah, drag it up the mountain, and throw it on the grill in a fish gizmo. Or even on a piece of foil. Outside cooking means no fish smell in the house, ever. A little lemon juice, maybe. Nothing else. It roasts itself in its own plentiful fat, and comes out so yummy.

And by the way - yowza, what a gorgeous day it is. LA is everything I remember, and more.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Joy on January 22, 2004, 08:16:16 AM
Greetings from Non-Equity land!  I woke up at 6:00 a.m. to the gentle piano sound of "Wildfire" by Michael Martin Murphy, did a little stretching, ballet, and warming up to our "Broadway in Love" album, and got myself ready.  I went down to the AEA center to sign up for the Public Theatre/Playwrights Horizons Equity singers call, and since I was an hour early, I had to scram because only Equity members are allowed to hang out -- or to use the BATHROOM, for crying out loud -- so I had to run over to the Times Square Visitors' Center to pee.  Oh, the humiliation.  I came back at the appointed time and was told they were not going to have time to see us Non-Eq. peons, but we could leave our P/R's with them.  I did just that, grinned at the monitor (the nice one was there today), and went off to work at The Law Firm, where I am now.  Next up is La Commedia Dinner Theatre's singers' call for Cats.

Promises, their kind of promises, take all the joy from life.  Well, not all the joy:  I'm still here, at any rate.

What is it, fish?
Mustard Dill Salmon

Get a salmon filet.  Spray some lemon and sprinkle some salt on it.  Rub it in and pat dry if necessary.  Get some creamy dill mustard:
(http://store3.yimg.com/I/foodlocker_1773_17276970)
and brush the salmon with it, making a nice, even coating.  Cook it about 15 minutes, according to your doneness preference.  I like it pretty rare.  Serve with a wedge of lemon and your choice of side dishes (I like couscous and green beans).

Must go do work for a princess who is mad at her boss and refuses to do his work today.  Isn't that just too too?

Oh, and I love The Front, too.  
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 08:23:07 AM
DRJoy - the Indy Beef 'n Boards production of CATS just opened to a rave!   ;D

http://www.indystar.com/articles/3/113532-4713-062.html (http://www.indystar.com/articles/3/113532-4713-062.html)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Joy on January 22, 2004, 08:50:47 AM
JRand:
BeefnBoards is definitely one of the good ones, and one of the only professional dinner theatres left!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 09:02:31 AM
And also remember that for awhile, there were also 10" and 12" LPs. My soundtracks to CALAMITY JANE and SUMMER STOCK were 10" LPs.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: William E. Lurie on January 22, 2004, 09:10:43 AM
A couple of DRs have specifically mentioned the George Foreman grill by name.  I had a Forman and hated it.  The whole thing  slanted and you had to put a plastic thing in front of it to catch all the drippings, some of which always landed between the grill and the plastic thing.  I recently bought a new grill (I forget the brand name and since it's home and I'm at work I can't check it) that stands straight but has a slight slant to the side where the drippings are caught in a plastic drawer (for lack of a better description) that comes out for easy cleaning.  Also the two grill pieces come out and are dishwasher safe.  I find this infinitely superior to the Foreman.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: George on January 22, 2004, 09:11:59 AM
George, you have a McDonald's that lets you fill up your own drink cup??? Like at Subway??? These McDonalds have not hit NYC yet, or they are places I don't see.

Just about EVERY fast food place here has self-serve drinks.  And at places that don't (like Wendy's), you can still get free refills.  A couple of months ago, Quizno's started charging 54¢ to refill, which is ridiculous!  So I don't refill there.  But everywhere else is no problem.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 09:13:41 AM
As I mentioned the other day when we were talking LPs, our record player (not a stereo, mind you) could play 16s, 33 1/3s, 45s, and 78s.


DR MattH  -- I don't think I recall ever seeing a record player with a speed of 16 rpms on it.  What was that used for, if anything? I would imagine that you could get a lot more material onto a side, but I wonder what the sound quality would be like?
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: DERBRUCER on January 22, 2004, 09:15:40 AM
... So RCA made the 45 rpm phono and Columbia made the LP phonograph....

RCA made a small 45 RPM player that plugged into your TV set - they often gave them away to encourage folks to buy 45 RPM records. This one marketed for $15

(http://www.downstairsrecords.com/images/rca.gif)

To compete with the 45s small size, many 33s were issued as 10" vice 12" (My original Tom Lehrer records were 10" LPs) RCA issued box sets of 45s - I particularly remember "Oklahoma".

The 45 versus 33 battle was complicated by the fact that the 45s were ideal for the pop single market (which was, in the era of American Bandstand, big. big. business) whereas the 33s were ideal for Shows, Classics, and Pop Albums by the super stars like Crosby, Sinatra, etc.

Not long after the introduction of the LP a new player entered the arena - tape recorders replaced wire recorders and music reel-to-reel tape-recordings were introduced to the consumer market (1952). The tape quality was considered superior to the LP and became the medium of choice for music afficianados - particularly Opera and Orchestral Classics lovers. Five years later another new technology hit the street "Bi-Neural" sound (soon changed to "Stereophonic". The Webster-Chicago Corporation (WEBCOR) was a big innovator in this market.

For a fascinating history of the 45 vs 33 look at:

Downstairs Records (http://www.downstairsrecords.com/about/rpm.html)

This article also details the interesting tid-bit that RCA had the 45 RPM development complete and kept on the shelf for 10 years before Columbia broke out the 33.

der Brucer (who was a consumer of all this stuff) - I spent hours listening to my Madame Butterfly reel-to-reel with Renata Tibaldi.

Now, to stay on topic, I must find a recipe for Grilling Nemo

Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 09:18:47 AM
Yes DR Joy - I don't go there too often - they cut songs from musicals with impunity!

As I was leaving "42nd Street" several years ago, I happened to be talking to my friend about the Act Two opening song "A Sunny Side to Every Situation" - i.e. it was missing!!!  Our waitress interrupted me to tell me that NO song had been cut and that I must be thinking of a song in "A Chorus Line."  I told her politely, "No, I don't think so...."  But she was adamant that I was wrong and after smiling and letting her talk and talk for quite some time, I finally just said, "No, dear, when we did it on Broadway, there was another song in it."  She didn't say anything after that.  But I hope she asked someone about it, who set her straight.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 09:20:06 AM
Thanks for the articles, DR JRand. Very, very interesting and something totally unknown to me.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 09:20:49 AM
Thank you DRderBrucer....Interesting.

Imagine that - a technology war with a the consumer int he middle?  Nothing like that would happen today.  :P
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: William E. Lurie on January 22, 2004, 09:20:54 AM
There were also 10" and 12" 78s.  Most popular music came out on 10" and most classical on 12".  Does anyone remember the scene in THE RED SHOES where Moira is dancing in an amateur production of "Swan Lake" and they show backstage where people are playing the score on 78s and trying to time the changing of the records so the dance is continuous?

I also remember that "albums" of 78s came in one of two ways.  They could either have sides 1 & 2, 3 & 4, 5& 6, etc. on separate records or they could be designed for changers with sides 1 & 6, 2 & 5 and 3 & 4 ready to be stacked on a changer.

And yes, for a while most albums were issued in all three speeds so you could buy the speed that fit your format (like you can still buy most titles in CD or Cassette, and at one time you also had a choice of those formats plus LP and even earlier 8-Track or reel-to-reel tape).  As for 16 speed, as far as I know it was used primarily for "talking books" since the speed was too slow for good sound quality on music recordings.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 09:25:52 AM
DR MattH  -- I don't think I recall ever seeing a record player with a speed of 16 rpms on it.  What was that used for, if anything? I would imagine that you could get a lot more material onto a side, but I wonder what the sound quality would be like?

DR TCB, my grandmother had some old thick discs that I believe played at 16 rpm. They were like 3/4" thick and heavy as lead. Her phonograph was wound on the side, of course. She kept that old Victrola upstairs and I don't believe she ever bought a more modern machine. She just listened to the radio, I guess. It was a BIG event when she finally allowed my uncle to buy her a TV and have it put in her "sitting room."
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Emily on January 22, 2004, 09:26:46 AM
I don't know if any of you heard about this study of toxins in farmed fish - I know it was a huge story here.  It pains me because I love salmon and other kinds of fish and the wild varieties are so darned expensive.  

Study finds toxins in farmed salmon
 
Provided by: Canadian Press
 
Written by: DIRK MEISSNER
 
VICTORIA (CP) - Farm-raised salmon contain higher levels of potentially cancer-causing pollutants and dioxins than wild salmon, say Canadian industry and government officials.

Eating more than a meal of farm-raised Atlantic salmon a month, depending on its country of origin, could slightly increase the risk of getting cancer later in life, says an international study published Thursday in the U.S. journal Science.

The study tested contaminants in 700 salmon bought around the world, including Vancouver and Toronto, and found those farmed in Northern Europe contained the most pollutants, followed by North America and then Chile.

Researchers blamed the feed used on fish farms for concentrating ocean pollutants. It advised farmers to switch feed and recommended that consumers in the meantime eat more wild salmon.

But government and industry officials in British Columbia, where much of Canada's salmon farming sector is located, said pollution levels found in farmed salmon are still well below health guidelines set by the federal government.

Environmental groups said the study confirms earlier findings that potentially dangerous levels of toxic chemicals are contained in the feed given to farmed salmon in Canada and Europe.

"While European farmed fish are worse, Canadian farmed salmon are still a potential health risk," said Otto Langer, a marine conservation expert with the Vancouver-based David Suzuki Foundation.

The study stresses the need for Canada to modernize its regulations regarding the amount of PCBs and other chemicals acceptable for human consumption, he said.

A spokesman with the Canadian Food Inspection Agency said the study requires further examination, but its findings indicate pollutant levels in farm salmon that are currently below Health Canada standards.

"This study just came out, so really what needs to be done is it has to be presented as new scientific data and it needs to be carefully reviewed and evaluated," said Klaus Schallie, western Canada's aquaculture specialist with the agency.

"Certainly, if changes need to be made in the way we monitor or analyse the products or if Health Canada determines it's necessary to change the standard, that's going to happen.

"But at this time the levels that we're talking about are well, well within the Health Canada guidelines and the FDA (U.S. Food and Drug Administration) and the EU (European Union) guidelines for these chemicals and contaminants."

A biologist working for a salmon-farming company at Campbell River on Vancouver Island said he's not surprised the study found higher levels of contaminants in farmed salmon.

Tim O'Hara, senior biologist at Pan Fish Canada, said Atlantic salmon, the breed typically farmed worldwide, have a higher body fat content than wild salmon which results in them storing more contaminants in their oils.

"None of this is a surprise at all," he said. "Even the highest level - and I think it's the Scottish farmed salmon - is still about one-eightieth or one one-hundredth of the FDA warning level.

"In terms of it being a warning, or an at-risk warning, there's nothing in that."

A team of six researchers analysed two tonnes of farmed and wild salmon from around the world - about 700 fish - looking for organochlorine contaminants.

The results showed contamination levels far higher in farmed salmon than in wild fish.

European-raised salmon were the worst affected, especially those from Scottish fish farms, while North American salmon were not far behind. Farmed salmon from Chile had the lowest levels of the toxic materials, including PCBs and dioxins.

Farm-raised salmon contained significantly higher concentrations of 13 organochlorine pollutants, the study found. Among the most important are dioxins, which are released when industrial waste is burned, and PCBs, once widely used as insulating material.

The average dioxin level for farm-raised salmon was 11 times higher than in wild salmon - 1.88 parts per billion compared with 0.17 ppb. For PCBs, the average was 36.6 ppb in farm-raised salmon and 4.75 in wild.

Animals absorb those pollutants through the environment, storing them in fat that people then eat.

High levels are believed to increase the risk of certain cancers and, in pregnant or breast-feeding women, harm the developing brains of fetuses and infants.

 
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Joy on January 22, 2004, 09:27:03 AM
Yes DR Joy - I don't go there too often - they cut songs from musicals with impunity!

As I was leaving "42nd Street" several years ago, I happened to be talking to my friend about the Act Two opening song "A Sunny Side to Every Situation" - i.e. it was missing!!!  Our waitress interrupted me to tell me that NO song had been cut and that I must be thinking of a song in "A Chorus Line."  I told her politely, "No, I don't think so...."  But she was adamant that I was wrong and after smiling and letting her talk and talk for quite some time, I finally just said, "No, dear, when we did it on Broadway, there was another song in it."  She didn't say anything after that.  But I hope she asked someone about it, who set her straight.

 :o  Scary.  Yeah, that famous song from A Chorus Line, "A Sunny Side to Every Situation".   ::)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: William E. Lurie on January 22, 2004, 09:29:11 AM
OKLAHOMA! was on Decca, not RCA.  It was originally released in 2 volumes.  Volume 1 had the majority of the score but Volume 2 had "It's a Scandal, It's A Outrage", "Lonely Room", and a 2-sided "The Farmer and the Cowman".

Not only dinner theatres cut songs.  I stopped going to Papermill Playhouse when they cut "Why Can't A Woman Be More Like A Man" from MY FAIR LADY and "Western People Funny" plus the Louis/Prince reprise of "A Puzzlement" from KING & I.  What I have found with dinner theatres is that they add an extra intermission to sell more drinks (and in cases of shows without intermissions like MAN OF LA MANCHA they add 2).
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: DERBRUCER on January 22, 2004, 09:30:02 AM
DR MattH  -- I don't think I recall ever seeing a record player with a speed of 16 rpms on it.  What was that used for, if anything? I would imagine that you could get a lot more material onto a side, but I wonder what the sound quality would be like?

It was mainly used for talking books.

Stanford Discussion on 16 RPM (http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byform/mailing-lists/arsclist/2000/05/msg00007.html)

(excerpt)

Mostly, they were used for talking books because of the long playing time of a side.  Although these were used by sighted people, their greatest use was by the blind.  There was a great deal of material circulated for this purpose, and much of it is still in use by the blind.  Also there were music discs, typically a library of background "elevator" music, done by Seeburg that looked like 45 rpm records on steroids.  The discs were 9" in diameter with a 2" center hole.

der Researchin' Brucer (I'll let TCB decide what to make of the 2" center hole)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Joy on January 22, 2004, 09:30:33 AM
Emily,

I also heard on New York 1 that makeup and most toiletries, including shampoo, contain a substance that causes breast cancer.  ::)  Heck, what doesn't these days?

http://www.ny1.com/ny/Search/SubTopic/index.html?&contentintid=36379&search_result=1 (http://www.ny1.com/ny/Search/SubTopic/index.html?&contentintid=36379&search_result=1)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jason on January 22, 2004, 09:33:08 AM
Sorry I've been E&T lately...some very interesting things brewing with me at the present time. In fact, I'm off to an audition in about 30 min. for a leading role in a Nat'l Tour! They called me Tues. and I should know if I have the part by tomorrow afternoon. If I make the cut today, I'll be seen by the director and choreographer tomorrow at 2 and a decision should be made by sometime in the early evening. I would start rehearsals on Monday and I'd open around Feb. 1 or so. YIKES!

So please, please, please send your good vibes my way. This audition came out of all those auditions for OKLAHOMA! (no, that's not the tour)...the casting director hasn't seen me in six months, but he thought of me for this role (which I'd be PERFECT for), so maybe that's a good sign. At the producer's request, I'm unable to tell you what show or role I'm auditioning for, but I'll let you know if (when) I get it! Keep the good vibes coming and keep praying for me that this works out.

Sorry this post is all about me, but this audition has been all-consuming since Tuesday and I don't think my poor stomach can handle much more stress! Ha! My audition is from 2-3:30 EST, so I hope to feel a few vibes comin' my way. Talk to you later....
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 09:33:17 AM
Yes, DRJoy - I think they used it to replace that boring "What I Did for Love."  LOL.

Wow - this morning when I woke up I had NO idea about the 33/45 question....and now thanks to the DR's HHW - I KNOW THE ANSWER!!!

DREMILY - oh dear!  

Good vibes to JASON -- stop at MTI and get your mail!!

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]!!!!!!!!!!!!@@@@@@@@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/move]
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 09:34:42 AM
Jrand, etc - Benjamin Kritzer had one of them 45 rpm record players - in all three books.  He probably wishes he had it now.

I have been told that the promise will be honored, so that is good.

Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 09:37:24 AM
Yes, I remember Benjamin playing his records on that player!  

I  myself loved to listen to the mechanics of the machine as the records ended and the arm lifted, swung back, the record dropped, the arm returned and dropped onto the vinyl....and the music started.  
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Emily on January 22, 2004, 09:38:37 AM
Despite the toxins, I still love fish and my favorite recipe is the following:

Take some salmon or trout filets (personally I like trout the best - preferably having just been caught) and douse liberally with Famous British Columbia Salmon Sauce from Loblaws.  Place in a fish grilling basket (picture below) that has been lightly sprayed with olive oil.  Cook to desired doneness.  Eat.  Arghlargahaargahaga....

A Fish Basket:
(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:Glw_E-3HUtoC:www.continentalspecialties.com/images/grillingbaskets/fish%2520basket.JPG)

   
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Panni on January 22, 2004, 09:38:54 AM
Divorce: American Style - a movie with Miss Debbie Reynolds.
Speaking of Miss Reynolds, I just read in this morning's LA Times that she and Mr. John Saxon are doing LOVE LETTERS in February.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Joy on January 22, 2004, 09:39:11 AM
Jason!

The vibest of vibes to you.  I will now meditate on Jason getting The Part.

Nammyohorengekyo nammyohorengekyo nammyohorengekyooooooooooooooo.......

Consider it yours.

Odd that the producer asked you not to tell, isn't it?  Hm....
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Emily on January 22, 2004, 09:42:03 AM
At Swishy's Request:

The 58th Post Dance

*dance dance dance tap tap tap dance dance twirl jump leap dance tap spirit fingers*

(http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/party/party-smiley-018.gif)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Emily on January 22, 2004, 09:43:32 AM
oooooooohhh...

Good luck vibes to DR Jason!!!  
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 09:45:42 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]GOOD VIBES, JASON![/move]

Now, why can't I get that to work from home???
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Panni on January 22, 2004, 09:48:29 AM
Jason - Good vibes your way.

Joy - Too bad about the audition! Next time.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jennifer on January 22, 2004, 09:48:56 AM
DR Emily your smiley didn't get posted, only the link.

I have a grill. It is not a George Foreman. I cannot remember the exact name. But don't many people call their grills "george foreman grills", just because that is a name that most people recognize for that type of grill (like kleenex :))
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on January 22, 2004, 09:49:10 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]E X C E L L E N T      V I B E S      TO      JASON   [/move]
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jason on January 22, 2004, 09:49:36 AM
Joy: Been there, done that with AEA. Those hateful bitches. :-) It'll happen for us one day...

Thanks, everyone, for the vibes!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 09:50:18 AM
I've written Mark about the photo thing.  We had it happen before - we just have to go into the really old posts on the board and delete photos.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jennifer on January 22, 2004, 09:52:47 AM
Yeah emily's smiley works now!

Good vibes to DR Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'd like to send good vibes to the mailman, to bring my package today!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 09:53:35 AM
Holy moley on rye we are LOADED with people.  Look at all the users, look at all the GUESTS.  Soon we will be the most popular site on all the Internet.

And welcome to our latest registered user - annabelera.  I believe I know this person and if so, HOWDY!  C'mon in and join our merry troupe!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Emily on January 22, 2004, 09:57:09 AM
[Whining Alert]

wahhh...

The big new hampshire debate tonight is only going to broadcast on FoxNews.  

I don't HAAAAAAAVVVVVVVEEE FoxNews (really... why would the DEMOCRATS be debating on a notoriously right wing channel?)

Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Charles Pogue on January 22, 2004, 09:59:03 AM
BK, I think we are now living in a time close to McCarthy Era, where dissent is repressed:  "Criticize the President and you're a traitor."  And the Joe McCarthy's of the government also have their minions in the media...the Sean Hannitys, Rush Limbaughs, Anne Coulters, Bill O'Reillys...very scary time.

I don't eat fish.  I'll eat tuna and occasionally a piece of very generic white fish, battered to Hell and back, but that's it...I especially will not eat any shellfish...so no recipes.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jay on January 22, 2004, 10:02:27 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]Sending strong vibes to Dear Reader Jason!!![/move]
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: DERBRUCER on January 22, 2004, 10:04:20 AM
OKLAHOMA! was on Decca, not RCA.  It was originally released in 2 volumes.  Volume 1 had the majority of the score but Volume 2 had "It's a Scandal, It's A Outrage", "Lonely Room", and a 2-sided "The Farmer and the Cowman".


Yer right - pix don't lie (often)

(http://hometown.aol.com/erlaw1/images/decca%20oklahoma.jpg)

der Brucer
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jennifer on January 22, 2004, 10:04:58 AM
For the recipes are we considering seafood fish?

I LOVE seafood. Shrimp and lobster especially.  I actually miss Red Lobster (that used to be only blocks away).  And the Vieux Pecheur (which DR Emily probably knows) used to be a family favorite before it closed.  I want seafood!

Coquille St Jacques is also yummy.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jay on January 22, 2004, 10:05:29 AM
Mr. Bush's call for renewal of the so-called "Patriot" act, which conveniently ignores both the spirit and the letter of several of the amendments in our Bill of Rights, is one of the occasions on which I sent a projectile toward my television set the other night.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jennifer on January 22, 2004, 10:06:10 AM
Btw, has anybody else been singing "promises, promises" all morning?
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 10:07:04 AM
Photo worked.  Hmmm.  Also, the minute I announced we had so many people on the board, half of them left.  THAT'S comedy.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jay on January 22, 2004, 10:15:19 AM
I am dumbstruck, Dear Readers.  Yesterday I received a completely unsolicited letter from my mortgage lender, which happens to be Citibank.  With the letter was a document that, if I sign it and send it in, will reduce my mortgage rate by 2 5/8 % and save me over $400 per month, with zero attendant costs.  I've known for a while that I really needed to refinance, but with my job situation so up in the air, I had been putting it off in the event that a new job might force me to move.

Banks, especially the big ones, get bashed quite a bit, but here's a good example of a smart one.  When I called this morning to ask a question about one of the details on the document, I also asked why were they doing this?  The lady replied that it was so they could hold on to their customers and keep them happy.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 10:19:57 AM
DR Emily your smiley didn't get posted, only the link.

I have a grill. It is not a George Foreman. I cannot remember the exact name. But don't many people call their grills "george foreman grills", just because that is a name that most people recognize for that type of grill (like kleenex :))

DR Jennifer -- Please, please take my advice and don't buy one of those Kleenex Grills.  There is every reason to believe that they can be highly combustible.  I believe DR Jed had the same problem last evening with one of the Kleenex oven mitts.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Charles Pogue on January 22, 2004, 10:23:12 AM
Jay, re: The Patriot Act.  I think the Bush Administration demonstrates in spades that old adage:  "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: DERBRUCER on January 22, 2004, 10:23:42 AM
... why would the DEMOCRATS be debating on a notoriously right wing channel?


Well, I believe FOX News is helping sponsor the debate and their Brit Hume is a co-host along with some Canadian guy.

der Brucer Who is being solicited by Canadian Conservatives  as follows:

As many of you may have heard, the Conservative Party of Canada has recently acquired former Magna CEO Belinda Stronach as a leadership candidate.  This
presents a great opportunity for Canadian gay conservatives to finally have our views represented.  Ms.Stronach is a strong fiscal conservative who also
is an advocate of gay marriage.

I am supporting Belinda's leadership bid and have agreed to help recruit new members.  Here is why:

The Canadian Alliance element of the new conservative party outnumbers the PC element by a margin of 2 to 1 most of whom will be supporting social
conservative Stephen Harper who is adamently opposed to gay marriage.  This means that if we want to have our views represented within Canadian conservatism we need more socially progressive members.

I have committed to doing everything I can to help increase the number of those who will support a candidate possessing a favourable position on gay
issues.  Please join me in supporting Belinda Stronach.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Ann on January 22, 2004, 10:37:18 AM
Good morning everyone.
MUCH good vibage to Jason!!!  I can't wait to hear how the audition goes.
I already posted my fish recipie, so not much else to say...off to choir now.  
Oh, good vibes also to DR Jed who I believe is having his car towed in today.  Many vibes for low repair costs...
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2004, 10:38:03 AM
Perhaps I will try to post my England picture now.

Anthony the actor is always looking for new advertising opportunities and in England he found one with the ubiquitous Fairy Washing Up Liquid. It's endorsed by Buckingham Palace (or so it says on a portion of the bottle) hence the ad copy "For a royal wash" and "Preferred by Queens everywhere"

The shot was taken in the kitchen of our London apartment
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2004, 10:39:04 AM
Also, WONDERFUL, GREAT AND HUGE VIBES TO JASON

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: DERBRUCER on January 22, 2004, 10:52:29 AM
BK, I think we are now living in a time close to McCarthy Era, where dissent is repressed:  "Criticize the President and you're a traitor."  

Well, if that's true, us Log Cabin folks are in a heap of do-do (to use a Michael Jackson phrase).

Here is our not too supportive reply to the SOTU:

Log Cabin responds to State of the Union address:

A culture war is a recipe for defeat

(Washington) -  In response to the President's State of the Union address Tuesday night, Log Cabin Republicans warn the President that engaging in a culture war is a recipe for defeat.  

"George W. Bush was elected in 2000 by bringing Americans together. State of the Union addresses should be used to unite all Americans around the nation's highest priorities.   Americans are threatened by terrorism and job uncertainty - not gay and lesbian families," said Log Cabin executive director Patrick Guerriero.  

"Log Cabin Republicans have stood with this President in the war on terror. Log Cabin supports the President on cutting taxes for American families and expanding efforts to combat HIV/AIDS at home and abroad.  Log Cabin will not stand by while anyone attempts to write discrimination into the Constitution.  It is unnecessary and it cheapens our sacred Constitution," added Guerriero.

In the State of the Union address on Tuesday evening, the President defended the sanctity of marriage then said the Defense of Marriage Act may not go far enough in protecting marriage.  The President said, "Activist judges, however, have begun redefining marriage by court order, without regard for the will of the people and their elected representatives. On an issue of such great consequence, the people's voice must be heard. If judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process."

Log Cabin supports efforts to strengthen marriages and all American families.  Denying gay and lesbian families civil protections with a Constitutional amendment weakens those efforts.  The Republican Party has always championed family values.  Log Cabin reminds our fellow Republicans that if you truly support family values you must value all families.

"The mission of Log Cabin is greater than one President or one issue. Last night's speech shows us how much work remains in our effort to build a more inclusive GOP. To be the majority party, the GOP must be built on a foundation of freedom, fairness and equality---for all Americans," concluded Guerriero.

Andrew Sullivan is so out-raged by the SOTU that he is even thinking Democrat!

He wrote a blistering op-ed for the New Republic (http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=fisking&s=sullivan012104).

He then added in his own blog (http://andrewsullivan.com/):

It was the worst Bush SOTU yet. Maybe the occasion wasn't up to the previous ones. But the speech lacked a real theme; it had only a few good lines (at the beginning, on the war); offered no new vision or any concrete future direction in foreign policy; and revealed complete insouciance toward the deficit and, more importantly, toward those who have not yet benefited from the economic recovery. A pretty bad political misjudgment in my view. To brag about a growing economy without some kind of passage of empathy for those still struggling reveals major political obtuseness. I was also struck by how hard right the president was on social policy. $23 million for drug-testing children in schools? A tirade against steroids? (I'm sure Tom Brady was thrilled by that camera shot.) More public money for religious groups? Abstinence only for prevention of STDs? Whatever else this president is, he is no believer in individuals' running their own lives without government regulation, control or aid. If you're a fiscal conservative or a social liberal, this was a speech that succeeded in making you take a second look at the Democrats. I sure am.

der Brucer (who also finds the potential for abuse in the Patriot Act terrifying)



Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 10:53:44 AM
Thank you MattH and der Brucer for the responses to my question.  With those in mind, and another cup of coffee to jolt the brain cells, I do remember, now, that when I was a child, we had a family friend who was a speech pathologist.  One day over at her house, I noticed that her portable record player had another speed (which was probably 16).  She said that it was used for teaching children who had speech problems because it elongated the syllables.

By the way, (BTW in internet lingo) we just received notice from our cultural diversity supervisor that today is the start of Chinese New Year, which is the Year of the Monkey.

Does that mean, that if I have a really bad year, then I can go ahead and spank the………  :-X

   
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 10:53:52 AM
Thanks to Mr. Mark Bakalor for a speedy fix to our photo problem.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Panni on January 22, 2004, 10:55:44 AM
BK, I think we are now living in a time close to McCarthy Era, where dissent is repressed
Sometimes my Canadian citizenship just warms the cockles of my heart...
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jennifer on January 22, 2004, 10:59:15 AM
Are seafood recipes fish?  Are seafood recipes fish?

TCB, you are very funny :)

Okay I will stop using my kleenex grill immediately.

And can someone explain how a dish towel can catch on fire?  (I never use dishtowels to get stuff out of the oven, but I was surprised it caught on fire).

Btw, I used to set off my smoke detector all the time when I made bacon (the alarm company loved me).

Oh and for anyone who wants a laugh, imagine cooking bacon and having the smoke detector go off. The alarm company calls and asks for your password, which you cannot remember.  Do alarm companies think robbers answer the phone?  Oh, and do arsonists?  I told her I was just making bacon! :)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 10:59:37 AM
Well, der Brucer, I don't know if Tom Brady was thrilled by that particular camera shot, but I know that I was thrilled!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: MBarnum on January 22, 2004, 10:59:37 AM


[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%] ;D  :D   :D   ;)   :)   8)   ;D   :o   8)   :D   ;)  [/move]
vibes of the positive sort for Jason!

In the paper today I see that Oklahoma will be coming to Portland next month. Didn't say who was in it.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Joy on January 22, 2004, 11:00:21 AM
LOL Jason!  You know, I don't think they used to be such Nazis over there, but it could just be my imagination.  I remember going to some auditions a couple years ago where you could pretty much just stroll in.  Maybe I just looked/acted like I belonged there.  Who knows.  In any event, you are so right.  I myself plan to be cast in the Goodspeed Opera House's production of Call Me Madam, which is why I am taking three tap classes a week.  

W is the devil and The Patriot Act is the equivalent of the HUAC.  Shame, shame, shame.  Do we ever really learn from our history?

Jennifer - Yes, I have.  Liz Callaway's version, to be specific.  Annoying as it is, there are MUCH worse things than having Liz in your head all day.  Someone sing a new song, please!!!  

Jay, also on the subject of projectiles and "patriots", speaking of shredding the Constitution:  can anyone name any instance in American history where a Constitutional Amendment was added that limited or removed a citizen's rights, rather than expanding them (other than Prohibition, which was repealed, thank goodness, and the eleventh, which doesn't really count, since it refers to states)?

Re:  Seafood

A classic line from one of my favorite movies, Drop Dead Gorgeous:  
"Oh, I don't eat shellfish.  My ma says never to eat anything that carries its house around with it.  Who knows the last time it was cleaned."
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 11:04:27 AM
DRPANNI - thanks so much for letting me know about Debbie Reynolds and John Saxon doing "Love Letters."  *Sigh* - I won't be there to see it - but the thought of it makes me smile and know that the audiences who are there will be entertained and spend the evening with a couple of old friends.  Their movie "THIS HAPPY FEELING" is a great, great favorite of mine!!  I watch it often!

Oklahoma coming to Portland?   Global warming is having worse consequences than I thought!

DRJOY - OMG I was trying to think of the name of that movie and here it is:  Drop Dead Gorgeous!

Kirstie Alley....."And, girls, I hate to brag, but I can still wear that outfit today...."  Models the plaid shorts.

Friends in audience:  "Yup, she had a big ass in high school, and she's got a big ass now."
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: DERBRUCER on January 22, 2004, 11:07:02 AM
My contribution to the day's topic for adventurous chefs, or those with enemies):

(Extracted from About Japanese Food (http://japanesefood.about.com/cs/seafoodfish/a/fugublowfish.htm))

The World's Most Deadly Feast?

Fugu (blow fish) is a fish which contains deadly poison in the organs. Despite the risk, fugu dishes remain as special feasts in Japan. Even the milt is considered as a great delicacy. Fugu is referred to as blow/globe/puffer fish since it blows its body up. The kanji (Chinese characters) used to write fugu indicates "river pig." In western Japan, fugu is called "fuku," which means "to blow" or "happiness." It's reported that about 40 kinds of blow fish are caught and cultured in Japan and that 10000 tons of blow fish are consumed each year. Shimonoseki-city in Yamaguchi, is known as fugu city and supplies a large amount of fugu.
There is an old expression such that "I want to eat fugu, but I don't want to die" in Japan. Since fugu's poison can lead to instantaneous deaths of diners, only licensed cooks are allowed to prepare fugu. You must have special skills and knowledge about fugu to be licensed. Poisonous parts of fugu differ, depending on the kind of fugu. Because of the strict regulations, the number of deaths is decreasing.

Fugu dishes are usually expensive. One meal can cost $100 to $200 per person at a famous restaurant. But there are inexpensive fugu dishes (from $15 to $20) available at some restaurants. It's said that the most poisonous fugu, "Tora-fugu," is the most delicious. Tora-fugu is expensive and can cost over one hundred dollars at a fish market. Nowadays, prepared-fugu are sold at grocery stores and online stores, and fugu are eaten at Japanese homes. Fugu dishes are becoming more common than they used to be. Winter is the best season to eat fugu.

Blow Fish dishes:

Fugu-sashi
Thinly sliced raw fugu. Served with ponzu dipping sauce (mixture of citrus juice and soy sauce).
Fugu-chiri
Vegetables and fugu are simmered in konbu dashi soup in a large pot. Served with ponzu dipping sauce.
Fugu Kara-age
Floured and deep fried.
Fugu Hire-zake
Grilled fin is put in hot sake drink.

der Brucer (who will settle for getting scrod in Boston)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 22, 2004, 11:07:16 AM
Good EVERYTHING!

Sorry to have been majorly Errant & Truant the past few days.  My "system" has been playing catch up on Life post-Camelot and post-NYC.  A lot of things happening all at once - and a lot of things not happening all at once.  However, it's all good.  Hopefully, I'll be back into the swing of things after this weekend - after the "emergency" recording session I got asked to do Friday and Saturday.  Good Vibes, please for a smooth time in the studio!

DR Jason - Break A Leg!  I sense a tour in your near, very near future!

DR Jay - Great news about the mortgage!  -On a related note, one of my credit cards gave me a substantial credit line increase the week before I headed to NYC.  However, I was good, and didn't put it to use... yet.  -But it's nice to know there's that "cushion" just in case an emergency should arise.

DR D-i-T - That slow-cooking method for salmon is the same one that a lot of the big-time New York city chefs use, and I even think Jean-Georges Vongerichten "owns" it - or at least he's published a recipe for it in one of his cookbooks.  A great way to cook salmon - great texture, great flavor and no fishy-smell in the kitchen/apartment/house.  *And I still have very fond gastronomic memories of the Tasmanian salmon that DR Tomovoz and Colin served me in Melbourne!

As for my favorite fish recipe... I'm a big fan of simple preparations... Basically just season a filet or whole fish with some salt, pepper, lemon and fresh herbs, then broil, saute or bake it.  I also like taking equal parts of maple syrup and soy sauce (and maybe some grated ginger), then placing it a Zip-Lock bag with a few pieces of salmon.  Let them marinate for at least an hour, then either do a high-heat roast in the oven (425 degrees), or a saute on the stove top.  Then finish off with a few grinds of black pepper. Serve with rice and some snow peas and/or steamed baby bok-choy drizzled with sesame oil.  YUM!

Well, I need to get ready for my class - the class I almost forgot that I was teaching this semester... Oops!  Ain't Real Life a kick?!?!?

OH - And my friend, Jen, may have already posted this on here - and I know it's not Ask DR day, but...  Her husband is looking for a few songs about being an expectant father for his next cabaret gig.  Any suggestions?  I figured this bunch would be the bunch to ask!

And Happy Chinese New Year!   And it's MY year too - and a Wooden one also!  Go Monkeys!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 11:09:08 AM
The Carousel soliloquey is an obvious choice DRJOSE!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Charles Pogue on January 22, 2004, 11:09:51 AM
Panni, there are times when Canada is looking real good.

DerBrucer:  Bush is not a friend to gays or American Families.  Just a friend to all his rich cronies.  I think you Log Cabin folk oughta come over to the other side.  My problem with Bush and his ilk like the Christian Right is that they have made Conservative a dirty word.  

In fact, I'm tired of both the demonization of two perfectly good words like conservative & liberal.  As a moderate who is conservative on some things and liberal on others, I am offended that both these words have been either co-opted by the far extremes of both ideologies or have come to be characterized and denigrated as those extremes.  Bush and his pals are not conservatives; they are extremists.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jennifer on January 22, 2004, 11:11:55 AM
DR TCB, your new picture confuses me, cause it does not look like you know who :(
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: MBarnum on January 22, 2004, 11:14:27 AM
JRand, let's pool our resources and go and see John and Debbie's little reunion!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: William E. Lurie on January 22, 2004, 11:14:31 AM
I just read that Harvey will be leaving HAIRSPRAY in March.  Has anyone heard who will be replacing him?  Also has any DR seen the touring company with Bruce Villanch?  I'm curious if he is any good or not.  He is a very funny comic, but I can't imagine him as Edna.  If you saw him please let me know what you thought.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: DERBRUCER on January 22, 2004, 11:15:30 AM

A Fish Basket:
(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:Glw_E-3HUtoC:www.continentalspecialties.com/images/grillingbaskets/fish%2520basket.JPG)
   

Doesn't it spark in the Microwave?

der always curious Brucer
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jennifer on January 22, 2004, 11:19:14 AM
Did DR Emily say to put that fish basket in the microwave? Maybe you are confusing Canadians :)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 11:19:42 AM
This jernt is jumpin'!  Look at all them GUESTS - look at all them users! (Now, quick - how many will leave directly after reading this post?).  

I'm off to the Hills of Woodland to lunch on FISH at Todai with our very own Mark Rothman.  Keep the home fries burning, won't you?
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 11:21:55 AM
No way, der Brucer, am I ever going to eat Fugu (blow fish).  Why should I eat any fish that is having better luck than I am?
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: George on January 22, 2004, 11:22:54 AM
There's an article on today's Playbill.com:

Now Nicole Belt: Kidman to Play Ulla in "Producers" Film (http://www.playbill.com/news/article/83933.html)

Just had to share!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 11:23:27 AM
DRMBARNUM wouldn't that be fun?

I think DR Emily is cooking her salmon on a snowshoe!

Last night Goumba Johnny said that "Canada" was a French word for "Mexico."
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: DERBRUCER on January 22, 2004, 11:23:41 AM
Her husband is looking for a few songs about being an expectant father for his next cabaret gig.  Any suggestions?  I figured this bunch would be the bunch to ask!

Doesn't "It's a Boy" from Shenandoah have an expectant father intro?

der Brucer (still waiting for boxes of Lps, CDs and Vocal Scores to arrive from CA)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jed on January 22, 2004, 11:30:00 AM
Bottomless bucket o' vibes to Jason!!!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 11:31:49 AM
Der Brucer if that truck stops at my house - you may be light a few items.  ::)

DR JED did you get your Ove Glove?  :D

One of the reasons my job is so difficult:

ME: (answering the phone:  Research and statistics may I help you.

LADY:  You sent me two things that are just alike.

ME:  All right, sorry.  Could you give me the identification number on the first one?

LADY:  Yup....one of them is a different color and has more pages, but they're just alike.....
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jennifer on January 22, 2004, 11:37:09 AM

I think DREMIILY is cooking her salmon on a snowshoe!


Okay I am definitely not bragging. But I read that 3 times, and kept seeing "dreamily"  All caps does not suit my brain today :)

It must have been cause of the extra "i".
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 11:39:09 AM
Whatchu talkin' 'bout DRJennifer?
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: DERBRUCER on January 22, 2004, 11:39:10 AM
In the paper today I see that Oklahoma will be coming to Portland next month.

How dey gonna fit one "big state" in one little city?

der pondering Brucer
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 11:43:02 AM
Good ol' American "know-how!"
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 11:47:23 AM
We once had Chicago come to Washington.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jennifer on January 22, 2004, 11:47:25 AM
Whatchu talkin' 'bout DRJennifer?

Ah but the proof is in the quote in my message. You cannot delete my post too :)

I figured you'd change the double "i". But you also separated DR from Emily. I wonder if anyone else (in the brief time) looked at DREMILY and just couldn't make sense of it. Or maybe it was only me :(

And nobody wants to tell me if seafood is considered fish for our recipe purposes.

DR Jane you have mail.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 11:51:18 AM
DRJennifer.

No I can't.
Yes it was.
Yes it is.
And yes she does.

LOL TCB -
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: DERBRUCER on January 22, 2004, 11:51:45 AM
Anthony the actor is always looking for new advertising opportunities...

Well, here's one:

(http://www.mrbrainsfaggots.com/images/product-Gif.gif)

(http://www.mrbrainsfaggots.com/images/menu_01.gif)

(http://www.mrbrainsfaggots.com/images/panda1.jpg)

There on the look-out for good people:
(http://www.mrbrainsfaggots.com/images/sundayPeople.gif)

More glorious detail on Faggots (http://www.mrbrainsfaggots.com/) can be found here.

der Brucer (always willing to help)






Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 11:58:41 AM
...not to mention, Mr Smith going to Washington, Mr. Deeds going to town, and Mr. Blandings building his dream house.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: MBarnum on January 22, 2004, 12:01:04 PM
For JRand53!
John and Debbie back together again!

http://www.sanfernandovalleyplayhouse.com/love_letters.htm
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Joy on January 22, 2004, 12:01:54 PM
WEL, I saw Bruce in Hairspray and I thought he was fabulous.  Funny, raggedy, and larger than life.  His daughter, however....meh.


JRand, the heckler in the audience who said "She had a big ass then, she's got a big ass now" (insert Minnesota accent) was none other than the amazing Allison Janney.

Another good one:  

Amber (Kirsten Dunst):  "Mom never hid the fact that my dad chose his career over us.  What was it she used to say?"

Loretta (Allison Janney):  "Once a carney, always a carney."

Amber:  "Ma still cries when she sees a Tilt-a-Whirl or a fat lady in a tube top."
 ;D

OR

(Becky (Denise Richards) brings chocolates to Mary, the previous pageant winner, who is anorexic and hooked up to an IV in the hospital)

Amber:  Nice one, Becky, she's anorexic!

Becky (cover's Mary's ears):  She's skinny, Amber, not deaf!

Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 12:03:55 PM
Thanks DRMBarnum....wooohooooooo!

Yes DRJoy - that movie...that movie....  LOL!!!  ;D ;D

And remember the hockey wives in SLAPSHOT (DR Joy you may be too young to remember THAT movie).

Hockey Wife: I bought Johnny a set of encyclopedias.

Hockey Wife 2:  Good idea.

Hockey Wife:  Yea, I thought so.  Johnny says you can only drink so much and screw so much,  you know....
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: PennyO on January 22, 2004, 12:07:28 PM
Hey, gang. Anyone of ya in LA who could play piano for me a few times in the next 2 weeks? I'm rehearsing my show for PA, and need an accompanist... it's a paying gig, btw.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 12:09:24 PM
Traveling expenses, DR PennyO?  Course I live in Indiana.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Joy on January 22, 2004, 12:13:46 PM
DERBRUCER, that is hilarious!  What on earth are they thinking??  Are they serious?
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jane on January 22, 2004, 12:15:56 PM
Michael Shayne I was watching the movie about the National Spelling Bee.  Last night when I posted we had just been watching an interview with a rather strange & annoying child.  Once the movie progressed to the spelling bee it really did become interesting.  At that point I had favorites, far too many, I was rooting for.  As one who is hopeless without spell-check, I found the movie rather fascinating.  Keith was having fun spelling along with the contestants.  I did surprise myself a few times, even to the extent that I was correct when the contestant wasn’t.

I should have taken one of those sleeping pills.

TD are you going to post a picture of the plate?

Jason & JoseSPiano-THE BEST OF VIBES!

Jennifer ovens are VERY HOT and sometimes the dangling towel just needs to briefly rest in the oven for it to catch on fire.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 12:18:39 PM
West coast man said the whole thing started when he was taking biscuits out of his oven!   ;D
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Joy on January 22, 2004, 12:20:10 PM
JRand, that movie poster is oddly compelling.  I think I would like to see it.  Is it available for rental?
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Ben on January 22, 2004, 12:20:25 PM
Oh, my, DerBrucer. We took a picture of me holding a box of Pork Faggots at the Tesco. I was going to post it soon. I may post it right now to show you. We took many such grocery store pictures at Sainsbury and Tesco.

DR Joy - Whachu talking about??? Are you making fun of the way Minnesotan folk talk? I'm from Minnesota so be careful or I'll find a virtual snowball (I hope you know I'm kidding   :) )

Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jay on January 22, 2004, 12:20:29 PM
Hey, gang. Anyone of ya in LA who could play piano for me a few times in the next 2 weeks? I'm rehearsing my show for PA, and need an accompanist... it's a paying gig, btw.

Check your private message box, Dear Reader PennyO.  Ask, and you shall receive.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 12:20:59 PM
Oh yes DRJoy - it is a good movie!  Edward Judd!

LOL DRBen .....  Brains & Beauty!  ;D
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jane on January 22, 2004, 12:22:44 PM
JRand53-LOL
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jane on January 22, 2004, 12:29:16 PM
When I was young we had a gas stove.  I can recall many a time the broiler bursting into flames.  I think it had something to do with dripping fat juices.  That sounds so gross, no wonder I don’t eat meat anymore.

There was the day I turned on the gas for the fireplace and the whole thing lit up in my face.  I had the reflexes of youth and only singed the front of my hair.  I have had numerous close calls with fires and, as much as possible, Keith doesn’t allow to do more than light a candle.  
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Joy on January 22, 2004, 12:37:58 PM

DR Joy - Whachu talking about??? Are you making fun of the way Minnesotan folk talk?
You betcha.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: td on January 22, 2004, 12:41:08 PM
GOOD VIBES TO DR JASON!

ANSWER to DR Jane (and Keith, of course) If I could figure out how to scan a plate, I'd post a pic.  teeheehee
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: S. Woody White on January 22, 2004, 12:46:55 PM
(In response to the picture of a fish basket)
Doesn't it spark in the Microwave?

der always curious Brucer
From Uncle Woody's Rules:

Never pitch woo to someone who wears braces while standing in a microwave.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: S. Woody White on January 22, 2004, 12:58:51 PM
I don't have any good fish recipes yet.  I think that's partly due to having been in SoCal for so long, which really isn't fish country.  That's due to change now that I'm on the other coast.  (Der Brucer is already planning on my learning how to make Lobster Bisque.  Step one: save the shells from previous lobster dinners.)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Robin on January 22, 2004, 01:15:04 PM
The Significant Other hates fish, and anything with fish in it; and he hates the lingering aroma of fish.  Therefore in the interest of Domestic Harmony, I will only have fish dishes in restaurants.  And even then, he'll wrinkle up his nose at what I ordered; but it's cute, so I don't mind.  
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 01:17:44 PM
Oh, DR Jason, I logged on at 4 p.m., too late to send you vibes for your audition, so I'll send them to the director/casting person in hopes that they get to the right person at the right time.


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Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Tomovoz on January 22, 2004, 01:24:52 PM
DR JRand: Have not checked the other posts for answers as yet! In OZ the change over from 78 rpm to 45 rpm took about 5 years. You could still buy 78rpm recordings in 1959. My first purchase was "April Love" and it was on a 78 rpm disc. Albums were not big sellers - too large a proportion of income was needed. It had to be special. Albums came into their own with "Stereo" demonstration records in the early 60's . In 1961 if you went into a store you were likely to hear "Bert Kaempfert's "A Swinging Safari" being played.  I think the Beatles" recordings were really the beginning of album buying on a large scale here. For pop music, people had usually only bought "Greatest Hits" albums or Elvis soundtrack albums like "Blue Hawaii" and "G I Blues".  The first Cast album to make any impact here was "My Fair Lady". We had to wait until Christmas 1958 for it to be issued here. The old 78 Show album collections were not that common.
I remember explaining to my students that the cost of a Long Playing record in 1960 was the equivalent of more than half my sister's pay packet - she was a junior secretary in a law firm and not poorly paid by the standards of teh day.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jason on January 22, 2004, 01:25:18 PM
Back from the audition. I think it went very well. I sang beautifully, if I do say so myself, and I read pretty well. The casting director gave me some notes for the cold read and then told me that he thinks that I may be too--are you ready for this?--SMALL for the part! I've been told many things in my life, but I've NEVER been told I was too small for anything. I should be flattered, but I think that may have killed any chance of me being cast. He said he'd call tonight to let me know if I should come in tomorrow for the callback, but that he knew I'd be good for the role and that he was glad to have called me in. We'll see what happens. Thanks for all the good vibes, you guys...keep 'em comin' if you can until tomorrow around 4:00--that way we'll cover all our bases. :D
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: S. Woody White on January 22, 2004, 01:28:07 PM
DerBrucer...I think you Log Cabin folk oughta come over to the other side...
Somehow, that doesn't sound like a good idea.  I know the far right keeps jerking the Republican party in their direction (much like the far left keeps jerking the Democrats), but there are still a fair number of Republicans who are moderates and who look to Log Cabin to help voice the moderate viewpoint.

I've been there and seen the process work.  I remember very well when der Brucer got involved with a candidate for state assembly, who was originally somewhat anti-gay, and through a series of talks turned him around to being one of our staunchest supporters, which paid off when he went on to Congress.  Notice, it took a series of talks; this change never takes place overnight.

The problem is, most of the anti-gay crowd cannot identify ordinary, run-of-the-mill gay people.  The extrordinary drag queens and leather guys and "hairdressers" they can spot.  They would be shocked to find Ben and Ant are a couple.  MBarnum wouldn't register with them.  They probably couldn't pick TCB from a lineup.  Which is why der Brucer and I, and most other Log Cabin members, end up being being as effective as we are when we go to DC to meet with people: we're well-educated, but boring.  Just like them.

I'm not saying we don't have our work cut out for us, because we do.  But so do the Democrats.  It was Clinton, after all, who signed the Defense of Marriage Act, as well as Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

This is going to be a very interesting year.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Robin on January 22, 2004, 01:35:34 PM
If you're a fiscal conservative or a social liberal, this was a speech that succeeded in making you take a second look at the Democrats. I sure am.

I would be the first to welcome Andrew Sullivan (and any of the LCR!) into the ranks of the Democratic Party.  I've heard and read the Log Cabin positions, and while I believe they're honest and sincere, they've taken on an impossible task--they'll never be taken seriously by the party they're loyal to, which means they cannot change it from within.  The Republican party is too driven by the religious right, who will never, ever willingly see GLBT folk as anything but de facto second-class citizens.  Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson's followers make up too much of the voting base for Bush or any major Republican candidate.  

(As far as I know, no high-ranking Republican official is openly supportive of equal rights for GLBT folks.  If I'm wrong, I apologize in advance for my error.)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jason on January 22, 2004, 01:37:10 PM
FYI: Ann Miller has passed away.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Tomovoz on January 22, 2004, 01:40:02 PM
Left over from a day or so ago!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 01:40:33 PM
Thanks TOMOVOZ.

Ann Miller....   :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Panni on January 22, 2004, 01:41:15 PM
I have had numerous close calls with fires and, as much as possible, Keith doesn’t allow to do more than light a candle.  
Oh, oh, here comes a story.... When I was a child in Hungary, the dear Russians set our building on fire (During the Revolution, of course. Even mean old Ruskies didn't do things like that under normal circumstances.)
Understandably, I had issues with fire thereafter. So fast-forward to my days as a young actress in Canada... I mentioned the other day the educational anti-smoking film I did. The opening shot was a close-up of my hands striking a match and lighting a cigarette. Now in those days I couldn't strike a match without my hands shaking uncontrollably, so I never lit matches. Used a lighter if I had to. But a shot is a shot and the director was adamant. It was hilarious - not for me, natch. But I can't tell you how many takes and how much will-power it took to steady my hands for that one stupid shot.

I'm fine with matches now. A few years ago I even started lighting the fireplace and I was very proud of myself. May not be much to you...
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Panni on January 22, 2004, 01:45:47 PM
Ann Miller. How sad. Saw her a short while ago in MULHOLLAND DRIVE (again) and she was terrific. Explained to my daughter,  who was watching with us, who Ann Miller was - couldn't think of enough superlatives.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jane on January 22, 2004, 01:49:03 PM
The problem is, most of the anti-gay crowd cannot identify ordinary, run-of-the-mill gay people.  The extrordinary drag queens and leather guys and "hairdressers" they can spot.  They would be shocked to find Ben and Ant are a couple.  MBarnum wouldn't register with them.  They probably couldn't pick TCB from a lineup.  Which is why der Brucer and I, and most other Log Cabin members, end up being being as effective as we are when we go to DC to meet with people: we're Just like them.

It sounds like many of my experiences-“gosh you aren’t like the typical Jew”, expressed as a big compliment.  Wish I had a nickel for every time I have heard that statement.  I hope many of my conversations that followed made a difference, for the better, in their opinions.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 01:49:42 PM
DR WEL was talking about the phonograph scene in THE RED SHOES....such memories.  Those of us of a certain age remember finding a track or "phrase" on a record the hard way!

ABC News obit for Miss Ann Miller:


http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Entertainment/ap20040122_1651.html (http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Entertainment/ap20040122_1651.html)

I hope God remembers that dear Ann doesn't do Game Shows!!!  :D
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Panni on January 22, 2004, 01:50:10 PM
Okay, the reason I logged on in the first place but was sidetracked by fire and dear Ann Miller...  Was just looking through the Sunday NY Times and saw that the Stratford Festival of Canada is presenting KING LEAR, starring Christopher Plummer, for 10 weeks at Lincoln Center. Starting in February. Those of you in and around NYC MUST see this production - directed by the great Jonathan Miller. Friends who saw it at Stratford say it is one of THE performances of the decade. I'm sure you can read about it on the WEB. So get your tickets NYC Hainsies and Kimlets.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Tomovoz on January 22, 2004, 01:51:24 PM
A good reason for me to watch  "Mulholland Drive" again. I have meaning to borrow/rent it again. A fascinating movie. (I still don't "Get" the bit in the theatre).
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jane on January 22, 2004, 01:54:19 PM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]CONTINUED GOOD VIBES JASON![/move]

Panni you should be proud of yourself.  :)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: William E. Lurie on January 22, 2004, 01:56:01 PM
As soon as I get home I'll play Annie Miller's recording of "I'm Still Here" even though she isn't any more.  I'll try to watch one of her films over the weekend, but I will definitely take out the VHS that comes with the Stan Freeberg CD retrospective and watch her dancing on a can of Great American Soup.  Another one of the greats from the golden age of the MGMusical is gone!  Leo the lion is weeping.

The taps are silenced.  Annie, rest in peace.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 01:59:02 PM
So sorry to read about Ann Miller. Glad I got to see her in MAME and SUGAR BABIES as well as many of her MGM and RKO films. (Her Columbia B-movies are MIA.)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Joy on January 22, 2004, 02:16:06 PM
God must need more angels for this year's Musical Spectacular Easter Pageant.  It's really going to be something with Ann Miller, Uta Hagen, Isabelle Stevenson, Earl Hindman, Dorothy Loudon, Art Carney, John Ritter, Gregory Hines...I wonder who will be cast as Jesus?

Goodbye, Ann.  :(  
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Joy on January 22, 2004, 02:22:02 PM
That song is still in my head.  

Actually I have a friend who REALLY needs to listen to it, at least the Liz version:
"Promises, their kind of promises can just destroy your life...
Go while the going is good.
Knowing when to leave may be the smartest thing that anyone can learn
Go
I'm afraid my heart isn't very smart

But I keep hoping day after day as I wait for the man I need
Night after night as I wish
For a love that can't be
Though I'm sure that no one can tell where their
Wishes and hopes will lead, somehow I feel
There is happiness waiting for me

When someone walks in your life
You just better be sure it's right
'Cause if he's wrong, there's are heartaches and tears you must pay
Keep both of your eyes on the door
Never let it get out of sight
Just be prepared when the time has come for you to run away
Sail when the wind starts to blow
Bul like a fool I don't know when to leave

Promises, promises
I'm all through with promises, promises now
I don't know how I got the nerve to walk out
If I shout, remember I feel free
Now I can look at myself and be proud
I'm laughing out loud

Oh, promises, promises
This is where those promises, promises end
I don't pretend that what was wrong can be right
Every night I sleep now, no more lies
Things that I promised myself fell apart
But I found my heart"

Probably WAY out of order, but...well...
Yeah, you know who you are.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 02:25:16 PM
When I was young we had a gas stove.  I can recall many a time the broiler bursting into flames.  I think it had something to do with dripping fat juices.  That sounds so gross, no wonder I don’t eat meat anymore.

There was the day I turned on the gas for the fireplace and the whole thing lit up in my face.  I had the reflexes of youth and only singed the front of my hair.  I have had numerous close calls with fires and, as much as possible, Keith doesn’t allow to do more than light a candle.  


Good lord, Jane, it sounds like you should give up fire, not meat.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 02:27:56 PM
Sorry to hear about Miss Ann Miller, but can't be too sad - at eighty-plus she had a pretty fabulous life and that's what should be celebrated, not mourned.  It was a very special day indeed when Miss Ann Miller came to Varese Sarabande to meet with me about doing an album.  I was all for it, but, of course, the powers-that-be thought it wouldn't sell and that was that.  We sat in my office for a couple of hours and had a blast.  Adorable, fresh, funny and so energetic (in her late seventies at the time) that she made the rest of us look like zombies.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 02:27:58 PM
That is very sad news about Ann Miller.  She was not a favorite (I gave away Sugar Babies tickets three different times), but you had to admire her talent and her energy.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 02:40:41 PM
TCB - As I posted recently.....Ann Miller was a fine MAME....more a pal for Patrick than a guardian....but a lot of fun to watch.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 02:42:48 PM
Oh, and PennyO, I have a name if Jay's doesn't work out.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 02:43:30 PM
And with that I have achieved two thousand count them two thousand posts.  Mind-boggling.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: PennyO on January 22, 2004, 02:44:49 PM
Rest in Peace, Ann. When I grow up, I wanna be you...

Thanks, Jay, for the pianist recommendation. And keepin' the good vibes happenin' for Jason... you never know.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: PennyO on January 22, 2004, 02:45:51 PM
Hey, Bruce - who is it??? I'd love to have another name to call... PS - wanna go to Taylor's for a big fat steak? And I LOVE Todai - hope ya had a nice lunch there.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: George on January 22, 2004, 02:47:23 PM
 :( Very sad about Ann Miller. :'( I really do like the Sugar Babies recording.  I'll bring it to work tomorrow and listen to it.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: George on January 22, 2004, 02:48:33 PM
Back from the audition. I think it went very well. I sang beautifully, if I do say so myself, and I read pretty well. The casting director gave me some notes for the cold read and then told me that he thinks that I may be too--are you ready for this?--SMALL for the part! I've been told many things in my life, but I've NEVER been told I was too small for anything....

Better a casting director telling you this than...um...well...nevermind.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 02:48:47 PM
PennyO, just call me and I'll give you his e-mail address.  And yes, to any meal anyplace, including Taylor's.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: George on January 22, 2004, 02:51:20 PM
Oh Happy News Indeed (a Sweeney Todd reference):

Bennifer Breakup! Affleck and Lopez Decide to Call It Quits

Click HERE (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Entertainment/GoodMorningAmerica/bennifer_040122-1.html) to read the article!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 02:54:45 PM
Forgive the pun.

It's Annie Mame! (the famous lounging pajamas in her first scene.)





Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 02:56:53 PM
Awwwwwwwwwwww....thanks DR  MattH.....!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 02:57:00 PM
TCB - As I posted recently.....Ann Miller was a fine MAME....more a pal for Patrick than a guardian....but a lot of fun to watch.

Now, I would have enjoyed seeing her in Mame.  I love a lot of her movies, it was more the idea of sitting through Sugar Babies that I wasn't interested in doing.  Actually, when I lived in Jersey, it seemed like they played TV commericals for Sugar Babies and Velveita almost non-stop.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 03:02:32 PM
LOL!!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Charles Pogue on January 22, 2004, 03:02:45 PM
JRand53, THE DAY THE EARTH CAUGHT FIRE is a very good movie.  Shortly after THE FLY, I had some serious discussions about remaking the movie with director Randall Kleiser who really want to do it.  It never really got off the ground.  Ed Judd played Barrymore the butler in my version of HOUND OF THE BASKERVILLES.

My friend Larry Drake was once snow-bound in a dinner theatre in Columbus, Ohio with Ann Miller for about three days when they were doing CACTUS FLOWER.  He said after about the second day, he felt like "breaking her hair".

He also has a note she gave him during the show.  In a niteclub scene in the play, Ann had worked out a big dance routine (after all, it's what the folks expected).  All the other cast members just sit at their tables and watch her.  Larry's character at this point is drunk.  Ann sent Larry the following note:  "Larry, please do not make funnies during my dance."  But he wasn't.  He was just sitting at his table in character, watching her dance.  I know.  I saw the show.  But even Larry doing nothing, being drunk in character is pretty damned funny, so people were laughing at him.  But he really wasn't in any way trying to upstage her.  Oh...and she could still lay down a pretty mean tap.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 03:07:32 PM
I have to say, Ann handled those MAME songs as if they had been written for her. She had the perfect voice for those songs. I wish someone had done a cast album of her version of the show.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 03:08:06 PM
I saw Sugar Babies on Broadway and loved it - I was sort of dreading it, but it was really fun and just great vaudeville.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Andrea on January 22, 2004, 03:17:48 PM
Oh Happy News Indeed (a Sweeney Todd reference):

Bennifer Breakup!




Well with all those pictures of Anthony being posted, can you really blame DR Jennifer?

Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: MBarnum on January 22, 2004, 03:23:19 PM
What a vivacious gal, that Ann Miller. Sunday night I was flipping the channels before going off to bed and there she was dancing up a storm with Gene Kelly, Frank Sinatra, Betty Garrett, and Vera-Ellen in ON THE TOWN...wished I would have stayed up and watched the whole thing...used to love it when I was a kid.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jane on January 22, 2004, 03:30:03 PM
Good lord, Jane, it sounds like you should give up fire, not meat.

LOL I gave them both up.  Now I am much healthier. :)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Tomovoz on January 22, 2004, 04:20:47 PM
Where did everyone go Jane?  I don't think they will be where I am off to - buying meat for my dogs.

Wasn't that an interesting and informative post?
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Tomovoz on January 22, 2004, 04:21:41 PM

Good to see you here George. I didn't like to leave Jane all alone.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 04:36:37 PM
My goodness, it must be the dinner hour.  Hopefully, we can all reconvene because these are most excellent postings and I want MORE to read.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jrand73 on January 22, 2004, 04:38:04 PM
Thanks for the info DR Charles Pogue.  You know Edward Judd was also very good as the race car driver lover of Susan Hayward in "Stolen Hours" - I am not sure what he had, but he had it.

And I am still amazed at the some of the racy dialog in DAY THE EARTH CAUGHT FIRE...  
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: George on January 22, 2004, 04:38:14 PM
I'm here Tom, but I am actually at work.  I just check in whenever I can.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Panni on January 22, 2004, 05:04:45 PM
I have absolutely nothing of interest to say, but as I'm here, I'll post. I'm about to have some roast chestnuts.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Noel on January 22, 2004, 05:20:08 PM
You guys are too much, with all the record and record player info.

But it brings up a question I need answered for something I'm writing:

I grew up with a record player that could play different speeds (rpm).

When was such a feature (choice of different rpm) first offered on commercial record players?

And what about non-commercial record players?  Like one that might be used by broadcasters, but not by the public?

Hoping the answer is before 1950
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 05:20:20 PM
I have absolutely nothing of interest to say, but as I'm here, I'll post. I'm about to have some roast chestnuts.

Panni -- You may not think you have anything of interest to say, but, personally, I always find yours posts delightful!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jennifer on January 22, 2004, 05:30:56 PM
Ha DR Andrea: I think I might be the only one to get the DRs Jennifer + Ben = your version of Bennifer :)

And DR Joy: Unfortunately that song might be appropriate for more than one DR :)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Michael on January 22, 2004, 05:33:11 PM
I watched Entertainment Tonight as I thought they would have a item about Ann Miller. They did. All ten seconds of it.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jay on January 22, 2004, 05:45:33 PM
My brother and I would watch Ann Miller movies together and clock how far into the film it was before she ripped off her breakaway skirt and started tapping.  They don't make 'em like her anymore.  Requiescat in pacem.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jane on January 22, 2004, 05:49:31 PM
Jennifer and Andrea I got the joke.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Danise on January 22, 2004, 05:51:46 PM
Good evening all and since no one has said it yet,

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%] Happy New Year!    [/move]

We are now in the year of the Green Monkey.  I have never seen a Green Monkey (at least not that I can think of off hand).  And how do I know this?  Well, we had a celebration in Court House Square.  There was Chinese  dancing and free food.  The main reason I was in Court House Square was the food.  If it’s free–it’s for me.  Most of the time.

Sad to say that this time I was skunked.  They mainly served a LOT of that raw fish.  I won’t attempt to spell it.  I know how to say it and it starts with an “S” so I’m sure you know what I’m talking about.   I won’t touch fish willingly.  Ugh.  And raw fish?  Not even  if you PAID me!

Anyway, How many people here on the board know what they are in the Chinese Zodiac?  I’m a dog.  :) (I'm waiting for the comments on that one.) Maybe that’s why I’m a dog person and not a cat person.  Don’t ya just love it when things make sense like that?

Bruce, I have to tell you what happened and you won’t believe it.  I was sitting waiting for the bus when a bumble bee landed smack on my coat. I had just read about the bee in your book the night before and I had to laugh.   I felt very sorry for the little guy because he fell off of my coat and acted like he had hard time flying. Unlike poor Benjamin, I love most all animals and insects.
 
You know that a bee, unlike a wasp (Talk about a creature with an attitude problem.  Wasps have one with a capital “A”), can only sting you once and with that sting, he/she gives up his life because they die shortly afterwards.

 Luckily, I had my gloves in my coat pocket so put one on and  let the poor little bee crawl onto my hand and I put him in a nearby bush.  I hope he was just temporarily stunned from hitting my coat and not dying.

Congrats to Jay!  Break a leg!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Panni on January 22, 2004, 05:53:20 PM
Panni -- You may not think you have anything of interest to say, but, personally, I always find yours posts delightful!
Well, thank you so much, TCB. And I feel the same way about yours.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Panni on January 22, 2004, 05:57:40 PM
Congrats to Jay!  Break a leg!

Did I miss something? What's up, Jay?
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jay on January 22, 2004, 06:01:54 PM
Luckily, I had my gloves in my coat pocket so put one on and  let the poor little bee crawl onto my hand and I put him in a nearby bush.  I hope he was just temporarily stunned from hitting my coat and not dying.

Congrats to Jay!  Break a leg!

Was it a sleepin' bee?  'Cause if it was, you know what that means, Dear Reader Danise, yes?

And thank you, though I suspect it is Dear Reader Jason whom you hope breaks a leg.  No one would ever, ever, ever (that is three evers) accuse me of being too small.  At least in one dimension.

Well, two, actually, but I won't go there.   ;)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Tomovoz on January 22, 2004, 06:02:46 PM
1952 - Victor brought out a new 3 speed record player that could 78, 45 & 33 rpm discs. In 1927 it was Victor who introduced a record player that could handle 10" and 12" recordings. Busy guy Victor!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jay on January 22, 2004, 06:06:12 PM
I'm off to the Pasadena Playhouse, Dear Readers, to see a revival of Talley's Folly.  This production originated in Phoenix (did any of our Phoenician Dear Readers see it?) and received very nice reviews when it opened here last week.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jane on January 22, 2004, 06:13:27 PM
Good evening all and since no one has said it yet,

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%] Happy New Year!    [/move]

Anyway, How many people here on the board know what they are in the Chinese Zodiac?  
 Luckily, I had my gloves in my coat pocket so put one on and  let the poor little bee crawl onto my hand and I put him in a nearby bush.  I hope he was just temporarily stunned from hitting my coat and not dying.


I'm a rat.

Danise you are our, Keith's & mine, kind of person.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Panni on January 22, 2004, 06:21:23 PM
Casting news, new and old: Nicole Kidman will play Ulla in the film version of THE PRODUCERS.
And... Kim Novak says that she was offered (the original) BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S and turned it down. That role is so undeniably Audrey Hepburn's that I'm trying, without much success, to imagine Novak in it. It would certainly have been a very different film.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jed on January 22, 2004, 06:40:25 PM
Just had a yummy bit of baked fish (can't even remember what it was... some chunk of white fish that was on sale).  Scary how often this site affects my eating.

Sorry to hear about Ann Miller.  Just so happens that I watched On the Town just the other night.

Fascinating reading about all the record speeds of days gone by.  I had never heard of 16rpm until this conversation today!

Had the car towed in and repaired today.  Turns out it was merely a blown fuse.  Since that was cheaper than what I'd expected to be wrong with it, I had them also fix a very leaky valve gasket that needed to be taken care of soon anyway.  Didn't want to deprive myself of being as financially strapped as I'd expected, ya know. :)

And now that I have my car back, I should hie myself to Fred Meyer tomorrow and pick up an Ove Glove!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 22, 2004, 06:42:40 PM
I'm a Monkey!  And since this is also A Wooden Green Monkey year, it's supposed to be very productive and profitable... If I work at clearing away all the clutter, and focus on my goals...  But I guess any year would be productive and profitable if I did that.. Hmmm...
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Tomovoz on January 22, 2004, 06:50:44 PM
How do ink cartridges exactly when it is the most inconvenient time for the to be replaced? A 50 minute roundtrip drive is about to happen. The joy of rural living.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: td on January 22, 2004, 06:53:01 PM
 :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(  :'(   Ann Miller.
I'm going to go and watch SMALL TOWN GIRL and LOVELY TO LOOK AT. . .not her best moments to be sure, but nevertheless she's amazing!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Danise on January 22, 2004, 06:53:09 PM
Opps, did I get the wrong name again?  I don't know why I do that!  I'm very sorry to both Jay and Jason!  JASON, Break a leg.  Jay, please don't let me curse you into breaking anything you don't want broke!

Sorry but I don't know about the sleeping bee.  What does it mean?  What's the buzz?  :)

Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 07:14:45 PM
Well, thank you so much, TCB. And I feel the same way about yours.

Thank you.

Damn! We're civilized.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Panni on January 22, 2004, 07:22:27 PM
Damn! We're civilized.

You said it, buster!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Andrea on January 22, 2004, 07:44:42 PM
Just had a yummy bit of baked fish (can't even remember what it was... some chunk of white fish that was on sale).  Scary how often this site affects my eating.



Ditto-- I had trout cooked in lemon and garlic butter. Garlic butter just happens to be the best invention in the world. Such a useful thing...
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 07:55:37 PM
DR MBarnum, I am sure you know this, but ON THE TOWN is one of the great MGM musicals that IS available on DVD. And the transfer looks very, very nice. I recently upgraded from the laserdisc, and I wasn't disappointed.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 08:00:15 PM
DR MBarnum, I am sure you know this, but ON THE TOWN is one of the great MGM musicals that IS available on DVD. And the transfer looks very, very nice. I recently upgraded from the laserdisc, and I wasn't disappointed.

Are there any interesting extras on the DVD?
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 08:01:42 PM
I never saw TALLEY'S FOLLY in NYC, but the community theater here did a smashing job with it five or six years ago. It's a lovely play.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 08:05:21 PM
Are there any interesting extras on the DVD?

Just the trailer. On the laserdisc, they included the James Fitzpatrick short on New York City, but that short was included on another DVD (I can't remember which one right off the top of my head; obviously one set in NYC), so they didn't repeat it here.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 08:05:53 PM
We haz slowed down to a crawl.  Am watching Le Divorce - half-way in and will have more to say when I'm done.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 08:24:05 PM
In honor of Miss Ann Miller, I'll have to think of a DVD or laserdisc or tape to watch tomorrow. I just watched THE OPPOSITE SEX a couple of weeks ago, ON THE TOWN last week. Maybe KISS ME KATE or HIT THE DECK.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jane on January 22, 2004, 08:29:00 PM
Good night.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: MBarnum on January 22, 2004, 08:30:30 PM
In honor of Miss Ann Miller, I'll have to think of a DVD or laserdisc or tape to watch tomorrow. I just watched THE OPPOSITE SEX a couple of weeks ago, ON THE TOWN last week. Maybe KISS ME KATE or HIT THE DECK.

I vote for HIT THE DECK!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: TCB on January 22, 2004, 08:35:39 PM
If I had a husband as good looking as Jane's, I would say goodnight early, also.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Noel on January 22, 2004, 08:38:17 PM
If a record player with different speeds was released to the public by Victor in 1952, would it be safe to assume that studios and such might have had something similar a couple of years earlier?
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: td on January 22, 2004, 08:39:20 PM
In honor of Miss Ann Miller, I'll have to think of a DVD or laserdisc or tape to watch tomorrow. I just watched THE OPPOSITE SEX a couple of weeks ago, ON THE TOWN last week. Maybe KISS ME KATE or HIT THE DECK.

Perhaps you should whip out your THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT collections. . .

I just watched "Gotta Hear that Beat," and decided to plop in the dvd of KISS ME, KATE. . .
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 08:41:10 PM
I was leaning greatly toward HIT THE DECK actually, so that's what it'll be. I'll be in all day tomorrow so I should be able to get a lot of movie watching accomplished. (It helps that MONK is the only thing of worth on Friday night TV.)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 08:42:41 PM
Well, I have SMALL TOWN GIRL on videotape, but it's not a particular favorite of mine even with Ann's solo and Bobby Van's hoppity "Take Me to Broadway."
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: td on January 22, 2004, 08:43:52 PM
DR Matt:  Before YOU hit the sack, and the deck (not loaded, of course) you might want a little bedtime reading:

http://www.dvdfile.com/software/review/dvd-video_8/planetoftheapes_se.html (http://www.dvdfile.com/software/review/dvd-video_8/planetoftheapes_se.html)
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: td on January 22, 2004, 08:45:32 PM
Well, I have SMALL TOWN GIRL on videotape, but it's not a particular favorite of mine even with Ann's solo and Bobby Van's hoppity "Take Me to Broadway."

Can't go wrong with Farley Granger, whom I saw in the final installment of the Talley Saga on B'way.  I missed 5th OF JULY, but saw TALLEY'S FOLLY in NYC; TALLEY'S FOLLY is being done by Open Stage Theatre - - NEXT season.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Matt H. on January 22, 2004, 08:46:46 PM
Thanks, DR td, for that review reference. I would have seen it tomorrow when I visit that site (every weekday morning like clockwork), but I'll read it now.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: td on January 22, 2004, 08:55:44 PM
Thanks, DR td, for that review reference. I would have seen it tomorrow when I visit that site (every weekday morning like clockwork), but I'll read it now.

that's what friends are for. . . . :-*
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: ArnoldMBrockman on January 22, 2004, 09:08:28 PM
JAY-

Just curious about Citibank-What would your % be after(if you do) refinance??
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Jason on January 22, 2004, 09:23:56 PM
JRand: Thank you, thank you, thank you! I haven't had a chance to listen yet, but I can't wait!!

Re. the audition: Still no call, so I'm assuming I'm not going to be seen tomorrow. Unfortunately, I won't be able to tell anyone what show/role I was auditioning for until the beginning of February. It's a long story.

Now I'm hooked on the score to SEUSSICAL and I want to do it somewhere this summer...along with BEAUTY AND THE BEAST.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: td on January 22, 2004, 09:27:31 PM
DR Jrand  - Dr. Carl has a site for you to see!  Also, drop into the discussions there every now and then.  

Remember Dear Readers, Watch the Skies!

www.astronomy.com (http://www.astronomy.com)

Invaluable resource for non-human star-gazing.

And, DR Matt: the Mighty Manhattan short, discussed earlier, pops up on the KISS ME, KATE dvd.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 09:31:23 PM
I just read that "review" - what a bunch of idiots these people are.  I really have no interest in what they think of the film itself, but their comments on the transfer is the usual endless array of bull pucky regarding debris and grain (these people honestly don't know ANYTHING about film) and black levels.  Well, soon we will rectify this at our own The DVD Place but not without your help - we must get the word out.  We will, at some point soon, have a database of every DVD I've talked about at HHW, and I'll be doing new things all the time.  Nick will also be writing their often, but what's going to make the site are people who love DVDs and want some real information about them.  So, come over there often and post about anything and everything about DVDs.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Tomovoz on January 22, 2004, 09:32:28 PM
Glad to know there is someone else out there enjoying Suessical Jason. Loved the show (Cathy Rigby). I think JMK may also have seen it.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: Panni on January 22, 2004, 09:41:53 PM
I'm going to read for awhile. Might be back later. In case I'm not --- g'night.
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: td on January 22, 2004, 09:44:30 PM
I just read that "review" - what a bunch of idiots these people are.  I really have no interest in what they think of the film itself, but their comments on the transfer is the usual endless array of bull pucky regarding debris and grain (these people honestly don't know ANYTHING about film) and black levels.  Well, soon we will rectify this at our own The DVD Place but not without your help - we must get the word out.  We will, at some point soon, have a database of every DVD I've talked about at HHW, and I'll be doing new things all the time.  Nick will also be writing their often, but what's going to make the site are people who love DVDs and want some real information about them.  So, come over there often and post about anything and everything about DVDs.

I know!  I know!

BK - I can't wait to read your response to the Alice in Wonderland *review* over at dvdmg.com! ! !  Yes, Colin has done it again!
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 22, 2004, 09:54:08 PM
Der Brucer and I finally saw Lordoftheringsthereturnoftheking, which, like it's title, is on the long side but worth it.  He thinks he liked Fellowship better, but I think that's because it's the least complex of the trilogy.  

Myself, I don't understand why so many complaints have been lodged about the film's ending.  What were people expecting?  Car crashes?  Big surprises, like all of a sudden it turns out Galdalf is really Sauron in disguise?  Life slows down after a crisis, and the film showed that.  It was...well, right is the best word for it all.  (The hints of Eowyn maybe getting all huggly-snuggly with Faramir was a good enough surprise for me.)

An additional surprise was the theater here in Rehoboth Beach.  Stadium seating, with a good screen and projection and good sound.  Der Brucer and I have been there a couple of times before, but this is the first time I've seen a film that made me appreciate the facility.  And I can't complain about the $6 price for matinee tix, which is far less than we've paid elsewhere.
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Post by: Jay on January 22, 2004, 10:11:26 PM
JAY-

Just curious about Citibank-What would your % be after(if you do) refinance??

4 5/8% fixed for the first five years, adjustable once a year after that, tied to the T-Bill rate.  All other terms of my loan (including duration) remain the same.  I was at 7 1/4% and not due for an adjustment for two years from now.  I am just so pleased to be able to avoid the hassle (and cost) of a regular refi.
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Post by: Jay on January 22, 2004, 10:22:52 PM
Sorry but I don't know about the sleeping bee.  What does it mean?  

I was alluding to a song from House of Flowers, with music (a beautiful and haunting melody) by Harold Arlen and lyrics (also quite beautiful and haunting) by Truman Capote.  

A Sleepin' Bee

When you're in love
And you are wondering
If he really is the one
There's an ancient sign sure to tell you
If your search is over and done

Catch a bee
And if he don't sting you
You're in a spell that's just begun
It's a guarantee till the end of time
Your true love you have won, have won

When a bee lies sleeping
In the palm of your hand
You're bewitched
And deep in love's long looked after land

Where you'll see a sun up sky
With a morning new
And where the days go laughing by
As love comes a-calling on you

Sleep on bee don't waken
Can't believe what just passed
He's mine for the taking
I am happy at last

Maybe I dreams, but he seems
Sweet golden as a crown

A little sleeping bee told me
I will walk with my feet off the ground
When my one true love
I has found
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Post by: Jay on January 22, 2004, 10:25:51 PM
(The hints of Eowyn maybe getting all huggly-snuggly with Faramir was a good enough surprise for me.)

I was hoping that Orlando Bloom would maybe get all huggly-snuggly with Viggo Mortenson, but, alas, to no avail.
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Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 10:34:27 PM
Okay, I've read the baboon' s "review" of Alice in Wonderland.  We'll just skip his five long paragraphs about the film and why he likes it, other than to say the only line in that part of the "review" that I agreed with is "I may be dense".  Absolutely, baby.

Here are some of his comments about the transfer - and this is what drives me bats.  To wit:

"Alice In Wonderland appears in an aspect ratio of approximately 1.33:1 on this single-sided, double-layered DVD; due to those dimensions, the image has not been enhanced for 16X9 televisions."  

A big DUH.

"Sharpness seemed consistently strong, as most of the picture appeared nicely crisp and well-defined. On a few occasions, I encountered some very mild softness during wide shots, but this remained infrequent and minor. Moiré effects and jagged edges caused no concerns, and I noticed no signs of edge enhancement. As for print flaws, I detected a single speck at one point. Otherwise the image was clean and fresh."  

I love this phrase "moire effects".  Somewhere, someone used this inane expression and every "reviewer" on the Internet now uses it, as if it actually meant something that they understood.  I'm glad those jagged edges didn't cause concern.  Whew!  And there's that edge enhancement line again.  And, my goodness, he saw a SINGLE SPECK (probably part of the animation) and felt it necessary to POINT THAT OUT.

"Colors largely appeared bold and vibrant, but a few inconsistencies appear. I noticed during a couple of scenes that used colored lighting during which the hues looked a bit heavy and weren't as smooth as they should have appeared. However, those instances were small, and the colors usually looked vivid and lively. Black levels seemed nicely deep and dark, and shadow detail was fine. Contrast was solid as well, as whites were pure and clean."

Of course, in this one paragraph we get all the other catch-phrases - i.e. Black levels, shadow detail, clean whites, and solid contrast.  I mean, I just scratch my head in wonderment.

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Post by: Jay on January 22, 2004, 10:36:48 PM
I appear to be talking to myself here, but hey, why should that stop me?

Talley's Folly is, indeed, a lovely play.  I hadn't seen the play since I saw it in its original presentation on Broadway.  The production I saw this evening was a lovely one too.  I had never heard of the actors before tonight, Angela Reed and Michael Santo, but they both were quite good.  Direction was by Andrew J. Traister (another name new to me) and the gorgeous, naturalistic set was by D Martyn Bookwalter.
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Post by: Jay on January 22, 2004, 10:42:34 PM
I guess I am not alone.

Question.  I am not a DVD aficianado (or however you spell it), but my impression is that many DVD fanatics are rather focused on the pixels on the screen, rather than the quality of the story, acting, direction and cinematography of the film being analyzed.  Am I off-base here?  Certainly, a clean presentation will enhance any motion picture entertainment, but when I collected records, I didn't ooh and aah over the vinyl.  It was the music contained therein that was important.
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Post by: Jay on January 22, 2004, 10:45:36 PM
So what happens when a movie like 21 Grams gets released on DVD?  This picture was shot with a grim, dark, very grainy effect throughout.  Will DVD devotees (I like that alliteration) expect a sharp, clear image when that is released?
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 22, 2004, 10:53:24 PM
BK: The quoted review sounds more like someone at a wine and cheese tasting.  I am pleased if they issue a DVD in the format used for its original cinema release but I too actually watch the movie more for the story and the presentation of that story than for the shades of grey (gray) etc. I am not a movie buff. Yet another reason why this really is the only site I visit regularly.
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Post by: Jed on January 22, 2004, 10:54:45 PM
Talley's Folly - My only experience with this show was a community theatre production 2 or 3 years ago.  Both actors did a very fine job, making for a very pleasant night at the theatre.
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Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 11:11:07 PM
Jay hit the nail on the head.  And Nick is going to write his next column on exactly that theme.  These "reviews" are being "written" by people who only care that they're getting discs for free - they have no expertise whatsoever, either as film lovers or even as techno-nerds.  They've simply read these catch-phrases and write them down and use them until you want to throttle them - then they send a copy to the studio so they know reviews are being written.  It's disgusting.
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Post by: bk on January 22, 2004, 11:17:22 PM
Hey, where are our late-night denizens.  And LauraII comes, looks around, and doesn't make a single post since yesterday (I don't even know if she made one yesterday) - much too unseemly if you ask me.  Perhaps hornball Jed knows something about all of this.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 22, 2004, 11:23:07 PM
As it is only 6.18pm I can not be regarded as a late night denizen.  My chef will be calling me soon. (or something less savoury than soon) so I shall bid you all a good evening/night. I shall be back in an hour or so to say good morning.
It is a long weekend in OZ. Australia Day is January 26. - The day the English invaded this land.
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Post by: Jed on January 22, 2004, 11:32:24 PM
I can take no blame for Laura II's E&T-ness yesterday, or the day or two before that, either.  I suspect a new canoodler, oh yes, that's what I suspect!
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Post by: Laura II on January 22, 2004, 11:33:57 PM
Hello everybody! I'm baaaaack! I didn't get online yesterday. I don't really remember why. Today I was out of the house for the majority of the day with the March for Life in DC and then work. I'm catching up on yesterday's posts at the moment.

BK, I really don't think you need to worry about Jed and me. Apparently he and Tiff were talking last night. ;) heeheehee

Uncle Woody, my dad graduated from the Naval Academy in 1984. My parents got married in May 1984, and I was born in June of 1985.
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Post by: George on January 22, 2004, 11:38:14 PM
I was watching "The Daily Show" with Jon Stewart on Comedy Central and now am watching the Oxygen Channel rebroadcast of "The Ellen DeGeneres Show" with (appropriately) Ellen Degeneres.  The guests are (were) Debra Messing and (Canadian) Sue Johanson.  Debra is very pregnant and Sue is a hoot!
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Post by: Jed on January 22, 2004, 11:39:44 PM
Thanks, George!  Sue Johanson is hilarious on talk shows!!!  Must change the channel!

Dang it, I'd trusted George's spelling! :)
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Post by: George on January 22, 2004, 11:43:33 PM
After Sue Johanson (I corrected the spelling in my last post) will be Burt Bacharach!
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 22, 2004, 11:45:54 PM
I remember back a few years ago when I was writing CD reviews for another site.  I made no claim to be an "expert," and tried to make sure it was understood that I was just another listener, putting forward my opinion.  I always thought of writing a review as a learning experience, a chance to explore why I felt as I did about certain things, sometimes discovering reasons to change from my original reaction.

I was amazed by the vehemence that some readers would attack my opinions, demanding why I thought myself "an expert" and that therefor my opinions were flawed.  (Fortunately, there were others who enjoyed my writing.)

The current crop of reviewers would probably be among those demanding my credentials.  I don't find their writing much fun to read.  There's a pleasing equilibrium in those two statements.
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 22, 2004, 11:50:16 PM
Uncle Woody, my dad graduated from the Naval Academy in 1984. My parents got married in May 1984, and I was born in June of 1985.
Ah, well, then der Brucer and your father couldn't have known each other, as der B was in the class of '62.  Or was it '61?  He'll be correcting me the moment he reads this.

Sometime, we'll have to get him to tell the story about Pat Boone and the Golf Balls.  (Randy Vicar, move over, you've got competition and it's G-rated!   ;D)
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 22, 2004, 11:52:24 PM
It's time for me to gather up Buster and Bonnie and get to bed.  Who needs electric blankets when I've got Puppy Power!
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Post by: Laura II on January 22, 2004, 11:52:47 PM
Oh, regarding today's topic: I don't eat any fish or seafood. No shrimp, no lobster, no crabmeat, no clams, no nothin!
Title: Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
Post by: bk on January 23, 2004, 12:00:50 AM
S. Woody: But these "reviewers" do make claims, or at least act like they know whereof they speak, which they do not.  I'm sure yours were much more fun to read.