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Title: A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 12:01:24 AM
Well, you've read the notes fervently, and now it is time for you to post fervently, because everything were doing from here on in will be fervent because that has become a new fershluganah haineshisway.com word.  To it, I say, and fervently while you're at it.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 12:15:58 AM
OOOHHH!!!!  In my late and last post from last night...

And we all read the late posts, don't we DRs?
 >:(
Don't we?

<nods>

 ;)

In my late and last post from last night, I said that Linda Ronstadt sang what was most likely the first rock and roll song ever written...  But now I can't remember the name...  HELP!!

-Maybe I need to get some sleep...

???
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 12:22:00 AM
Well, I'm still fervently sitting in front of the fershluganah computer - which makes it around 15 hours ago that I first sat down. Maybe it's time to stop! Before I do, however, I'll second the Notes and say that fervent wishes and prayers for a good month and a good rest of the year are just the ticket. Spot on with crumpets. I think I'm channeling Arthur Treacher...
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 12:32:07 AM
Good Morning!

As for BBQ, or Bar-B-Cue, or Barbecue, etc...

I like the grill, but I don't love it.  Well, more precisely, I don't like manning the grill.  Just too smoky for me.  Yes, I know that's the point! ;)

And after thinking about it for a bit, most of the BBQ items I like to eat are more "smoked" than "grilled" - pulled pork, baby-back ribs, etc.

And my favorite BBQ recipe is one for Polynesian-style ribs that I got from Gourmet.  And it's cooked indoors in an oven.  So...

I'll post a link and some recipes after I get some sleep...

-However, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be up for a little bit while I think back to the song list from tonight's concert... "What's New?", "Bewitched", "Someone To Watch Over Me", "Straighten Up And Fly Right", "Never Will I Marry", "Adios", "I Keep It Hid", "Just One Look", "Lush Life", and... and... ??.. and... the one that goes like this... and.. ??...???

Goodnight.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Tomovoz on July 01, 2004, 12:37:02 AM
And I of course want you to remember those songs Jose. First Rock & Roll songs sounds a moot point! I think Alan Freed coined the term. Kay Starr's "Rock And Waltz" may have been the fist song to use the term in lyrics.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 12:40:32 AM
Well, thanks to the title listings at amazon.com and the audio clips at towerrecords.com...

"It's Too Soon To Know" was the "first rock and roll song" that Ms. Ronstadt sang last night.

One down... How many more to go?  Hmm...

Sleep?  Who said sleep?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 12:46:31 AM
I think that everyone who wears black is doing a service for the rest of us.  It makes it so much easier to pick out the people who have dandruff.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Tomovoz on July 01, 2004, 12:52:07 AM
So I wonder when Don Gibson's "Too Soon To Know" became a R & R song! Maybe Linda knew it from the Roy Orbison version (which was still very "country").
Intruiging. Now Jose - the Jimmy Webb songs.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 12:53:06 AM
Jim Webb has, deservedly, been inducted into the Songwriter's Hall of Fame. (http://www.songwritershalloffame.org/exhibit_home_page.asp?exhibitId=23)  He is also the author of one of the best books I've ever discovered on the craft of songwriting, Tunesmith.  Even though I can barely carry a tune, much less write one, I found it a fascinating read.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 12:57:03 AM
I'm about to take a risk.  I have discovered that one of my co-workers, Christopher (who is taller than I), is not familiar with the songs of Cole Porter.  Oh yes, he can sing (to a degree) songs from POTO and some hits from the 80s back through the 50s, but there are clear gaps in his education.

So I'm going to loan him my copy of Anything Goes: Rebecca Luker sings Cole Porter.  If he does not return it in a reasonably prompt fashion, I do have a back-up for getting it's return: I have met his wife, and know where she works!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 01:00:24 AM
So I wonder when Don Gibson's "Too Soon To Know" became a R & R song! Maybe Linda knew it from the Roy Orbison version (which was still very "country").
Intruiging. Now Jose - the Jimmy Webb songs.

I'm working on it... Now... Trust me!

As for "It's Too Soon To Know", methinks she was covering Deborah Chessler - ??? - Well, that's what one of the reviewers on Amazon said, so... ;)

-Yes, I'm obsessing...

Hey, SWW, what are you still doing up?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 01:07:06 AM
I know, I know, I've got to be at work in eleven hours, and need my beauty ugly whatever sleep.  I've a couple of other things to explore, and I'm to bed.

If I can find that bed, of course.  Right now, it's buried underneath a Labrador.

 :-\
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jed on July 01, 2004, 01:18:07 AM
I have become an addict of late-night television, dear readers.  The programming directors of various and sundried cable stations have made their line-ups so that I may enjoy 4 hours of some all-time favorite series of mine on any given weeknight.  The West Wing, Cheers (two episodes), Northern Exposure, and Quantum Leap all back to back to back to back from 11pm-3am.  Too much of a good thing, my friends.  I'll never get back to a normal sleep schedule now.

Back to Northern Exposure...
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Tomovoz on July 01, 2004, 01:34:10 AM
Two songs- same titles.
Deborah Chessler and Don Gibson's songs are Oh so similar. I remember the Pat Boone version of  the 1948 Chesler song by the Oriels. (a Doo-Wop song!)
Mr Whitburn lists them as the same song !!
At least it was some interesting research spurred on by DR Jose and Linda.

Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 01:37:12 AM
OK... OK..

I'll search for the other Jimmy Webb song later... Unless some other DRs know which other Jimmy Webb songs Linda Ronstadt has recorded.  -I know she's done more than a couple of them... I actually thought ASCAP's ACE database would help, but since you can't "combine" searches...

OH!  But "Get Out Of Town" was the Cole Porter number from her upcoming album.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Tomovoz on July 01, 2004, 01:47:10 AM
Guess I am unlikely to post about BBQs or horror films!!

To follow on SWoody and Jose - Jim Webb as long been a favourite writer of mine. One of my favourite albums is "Watermark" by Art Garfunkel. A collection of wonderful Webb songs without the country edge of a Glen Campbell.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Tomovoz on July 01, 2004, 01:53:45 AM
Linda sings Jimmy:  "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" and "Easy For You To Say". Both tracks are on "Get Closer".
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: George on July 01, 2004, 01:54:21 AM
I'm about to take a risk.  I have discovered that one of my co-workers, Christopher (who is taller than I), is not familiar with the songs of Cole Porter.  Oh yes, he can sing (to a degree) songs from POTO and some hits from the 80s back through the 50s, but there are clear gaps in his education.

So I'm going to loan him my copy of Anything Goes: Rebecca Liker sings Cole Porter.  If he does not return it in a reasonably prompt fashion, I do have a back-up for getting it's return: I have met his wife, and know where she works!

You could (shhh...don't tell anyone else) make a copy of the CD.  That way you don't have to loan out (and potentially lose or have destroyed) your very own copy!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Tomovoz on July 01, 2004, 02:04:41 AM
The other Jimmy Webb song ??? "You Can't Treat The Wrong Man Right". It is on the CD "Winter Light" as is "It's Too Soon To Know". (The Chessler song!).
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Tomovoz on July 01, 2004, 02:24:15 AM
Still more Webb/Ronstadt:
Still Within The Sound Of My Voice
Adios
I Keep It Hid
("Cry Like A Rainstorm" 1989 - the 2nd Cd I purchased - the first of new material)
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Noel on July 01, 2004, 05:27:40 AM
I thought Ronstadt, too, had done an album entirely written by Jimmy Webb, but that may be a false memory.  What album is the wonderful I Keep It Hid on?  A teacher I know taught a number of women to belt using it.

Interesting that politics gets boos in Washington.  I guess people there figure they go to a concert to get a break from the daily same-old.  Ronstadt also dated Bob Kerry, Nebraska governor and senator who recently served on the 9/11 Commission.

Kritzer Time has inspired me to drag out the recording of Manhattan Tower.  I'll have a happiness cocktail.  Yes yes yes.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: William E. Lurie on July 01, 2004, 06:13:10 AM
There are so many Broadway songs with the same titles that Donald once devoted an entire show to them.  One example of 3 songs with the same title:

"Suppertime" from
AS THOUSANDS CHEER
YOU'RE A GOOD MAN, CHARLEY BROWN
LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 06:24:22 AM
Favorite low budget horror film: HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL. I would have typed THE BAT, but I think it's more of a mystery thriller than a horror movie.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 06:26:10 AM
On the topic of black. I don't think I've ever worn all black. If I wear black pants, I'll wear a different colored shirt. Black shirt (of which I have maybe two), different colored pants.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 06:28:03 AM
Well, I would have said barbecued chicken as my favorite BBQ dish, but that friend who had the cookout several weeks ago and served racks of barbecued baby back ribs must change my mind. That's definitely my favorite. I don't know when I've enjoyed a meal more than than one.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 06:31:37 AM
Don't have any recipes to offer with barbecue. My ex- had a marvelous recipe for barbecued pork that he first parboiled, stripped the meat off the bones and then mellowed somehow in a crock pot. Alas, that recipe left the house when he did.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 01, 2004, 06:57:27 AM
Notes from Yesternight:

Jose:

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harmonically, lyrically and otherwise - was written when Mr. Strayhorn was only 14 years old.  *I may have misheard that last fact - I know he young when he wrote that song, but I had never heard he was that young when he wrote that song.

Research:

From Billy Strayhorn Website (http://www.billystrayhorn.com/timeline.htm):

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November 29, 1915 - William Thomas Strayhorn born in Miami Valley Hospital, Dayton, Ohio to James Strayhorn and the former Lillian Craig.
1920 - After periods living in various locations including Montclair, New Jersey, the Strayhorns settle in greater Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

1926 - Billy Strayhorn begins private lessons.

1927 - In seventh grade, Strayhorn starts his music study at Westinghouse High School under Carl McVicker and other teachers.

1929-1933 - While at Westinghouse, Strayhorn engages in various musical activities, including participation in the Orchestra Club. As first pianist with the Senior Orchestra, Strayhorn performs Edward Greig's Piano Concerto, opus 16, among other pieces. During this period, he begins composing his first works combining jazz and classical elements.

November 6, 1935 - Premiere of "Fantastic Rhythm," a musical revue with book, music and lyrics by Billy Strayhorn, performed at Westinghouse High School.
September, 1936 - Strayhorn attends the Pittsburgh Musical Institute, a private music conservatory.

1933-1936 - Working on the piece sporadically over a period of several years, Strayhorn composes "Lush Life."

FromWikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Strayhorn):

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Strayhorn began his musical career in Pittsburgh, where he studied for a time at the Pittsburgh Music Institute, wrote a high school musical and, while still in his teens, composed "Lush Life," a work that had all the world weariness of a much older man.

Born in Dayton, OH, on 29 November 1915, the young composer and pianist Billy Strayhorn offered his composition Lush Life to Duke Ellington in 1938;

Based on the above, he may have started fiddling around with what would be "Lush Life" in 1929 (age 14), but it would seem it did not take shape until at least 1933 (age 18)

der fervant researcher Brucer

Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: MBarnum on July 01, 2004, 07:43:03 AM
Mmmm...BBQ...I like big slabs of marbled beef!

Obscure horror/sci-fi films!

THIS IS NOT A TEST (1962)would be one of my favorites..about a group of people who are forced to take refuge by an overzealous motor cop during an atomic attack.

THE LAST WAR (1961) Japanese film about a family who is preparing for an atomic attack (hmmm...I see a theme here)

BEES SAAL BAAD (1961) Bollywood (you didn't really expect me NOT to mention a Bollywood film did you) film about a ghost in the swamp.

BLOODLUST (1961) June Kenney and Robert Reed play teenagers who are being hunted down like animals on a tropical island. Sort of a teen remake of MOST DANGEROUS GAME.

I no doubt have more obscure favorites but I haven't had enough coffee yet to be able to recall them all!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 07:53:40 AM
Just wanted to mention that I read an article at the end of last year about the health problems of drinking too much soda, either diet or full strength. As someone who has a diet soda instead of coffee in the morning and who sips on diet soda throughout the day, I decided I'd make 6:00 my cut-off point. At 6 p.m. each day, I switch to water.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 07:55:55 AM
Speaking of toosie-frootsie ice cream, I pulled off my shelf the documentary THE UNKNOWN MARX BROTHERS which I bought not long after I got my first DVD player. I love this documentary but haven't seen it in quite some time. Looking forward to getting reacquainted with it after lunch today. Then on to DRIVING MISS DAISY.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: MBarnum on July 01, 2004, 07:57:55 AM
I try to drink water all through the day. I understand it is quite important to get plenty of water each day and soft drinks, tea, and coffee do not count as water.

Since I got back into drinking coffee I have to be more vigilant about getting plenty of water as well.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 01, 2004, 08:19:11 AM
I have recently take to cooking saffron rice.  I use Basmati rice, which I adore, and saffron powder (a little pinch does the trick).  It's a nice change of pace, puts something yellow on the plate and complements both green vegetables and beans.

I, too, am glad to see the first half of 2004 expunged.  It puts us that much closer to elections!

And, it is my fervid wish that July, August and beyond continue to witness my feverish determination to simplify my life (organization-wise).  I've fervidly been going through things, tossing things, piling things up for giveaway...and yet, nothing seems to change.  I know that one day all will -- POOF! -- suddenly be simplified, but the process is ongoing.

I fervidly hope....

What?

F-e-r-v-e-n-t?

Damn!

Sigh.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 08:23:06 AM
Hmmmmmmm.....you can of course barbecue SPAM!  

But cheeseburgers on the grill are my favorite - served up with barbecued tomatoes!

MBARNUM mentioned THIS IS NOT A TEST - which is also one of my favorite obscure sci-fi movies.  I also like X-The MAN WITH THE X-RAY EYES and DEVIL GIRL FROM MARS and TEENAGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

Allison did a movie called THE CRAWLING HAND, but she didn't have too much to do in it!

DEVIL GIRL FROM MARS is based on a play - and the man on the radio is always giving information just as it is needed.  Nyah (the DGFM) has a spaceship that looks like a teapot and a robot that looks like a refrigerator - and boy is she mean!!!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 08:23:40 AM
Strangers in paradise also seek answers to fervent prayers!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 01, 2004, 08:25:26 AM
Ah, yes....that's true, JRand.

Although I find myself more often descended out of the commonplace into the rare.

Somewhere in space, I hang suspended....
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 08:29:29 AM
Good Morning!

Whew!  I actually got up in time to make it to morning!  As it turned out, my mom and dad - and the dog - stayed up late last night.  After logging off and shutting down my laptop somewhere around 4:45AM, I headed upstairs and saw that my mom was still working on her computer getting menus ready for work.  (She's the food service director and dietitian for a nursing home.)  *And she left for work at 8:30!  And then shortly after I settled into bed, I heard my dad getting ready to leave for work...

Thanks for the Jimmy Webb and Billy Strayhorn research.  I did track down the rest of the Webb titles that Linda Ronstadt has recorded, but I didn't get to all the sound clips of them.  This concert is part of a mini-tour she's doing this summer, and all the dates are with orchestras.  After reading some posts on message boards, the song list has been the same, but I can't seem to find the complete song list.  Aargh! ;)  Maybe later today... or maybe not...

I also found out by reading some of the message boards, the Ms. Ronstadt has been doing the Michael Moore dedication of "Desperado" on some - if not all - of the previous dates of this tour in recent weeks.  *And that other cities received a second encore of "Heart Like A Wheel".  Some of the reactions by some of her "die-hard" fans have been interesting to read about.  Everything from, "I won't buy any more of her albums.  I won't go to anymore of her concerts" to "Too bad she did that.  I like that song, and now it won't mean the same to me" to "It was fun!".

OK.  I'm heading out to Starbucks (again)... And then it's time to call the "doctor"!  :D
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 08:57:35 AM
Good morning. For some reason I had that strange sleep/half sleep experience last night. Felt like I was awake most of the night -- although I know I wasn't. Oh - the white cat in the yard meowed in front of my door for a time. Then she decided to be pro-active and tried to jump in the window. (The screen stopped her.) The Wonderdog was quite petrified and squeezed up next to my legs in bed, never moving the whole night. I woke up extremely groggy, needless to say.
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Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 09:03:02 AM
Good morning, you dear, dear people out there in the dark.  
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 09:07:20 AM
When I had a free membership to Costco, I bought a container of six packages of Vigo Saffron rice. Loved the stuff, of course, but it came in HUGE 1 pound packages, and though I could cook the whole package in a big pot I have, I'd get sick of it before I ate it all. I eventually figured out I could cook only a partial package, and now I happily eat saffron rice once or twice a month.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 09:18:06 AM
Recipes, you dear people, recipes.  And I don't think House on Haunted Hill qualifies as obscure, the key word to today's topic number two.

Mine: The Creeping Terror or as I like to think of it, Five Men in a Carpet.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 09:28:27 AM
Another favorite: I Bury the Living, a really creepy movie with Richard Boone.  If you don't have the MGM/UA DVD, get it - it's full-frame, which it shouldn't be, but a pretty good transfer.  A few years ago they put out a Gerald Fried soundtrack compilation of scores, and I wrote the liner notes for I Bury the Living.
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Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 09:29:26 AM
And might I ask, where in tarnation IS everyone?

And can anyone mention the other two CD soundtrack releases that I wrote liner notes for (outside of the albums I produced)?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 09:30:00 AM
I am my own frenzy.
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Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 09:30:40 AM
Well, I don't guess I know any really obscure horror films, then. Not my favorite genre to start with and most of the ones I'd be familiar with would be in the same vein with HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 09:33:58 AM
Speaking of cooking ribs on the BBQ, does anybody have any recipes for this?  I would love to try it as I LOVE ribs!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 09:34:51 AM
Well, MattH, there's a whole world of film genre that has opened up to you - take a chance on I Bury the Living, it's really good.  And several of those already mentioned are grand camp fun and funnier than most films that pass for comedies today.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 09:35:56 AM
Oh and Happy Canada Day to all!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 09:38:16 AM
Is it raining in Canada, or is Canada Dry?  
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 09:38:39 AM
Well, here's the recipe for the ribs I mentioned earlier.  If you did want to put them on grill, I'm guessing they would work fairly well over some "low coals".

From my own experience and experimenting:  I've cut back on the sugar to just over a 1/4 cup with no harm - just depends upon my sweet tooth level for the day.  The Sherry really does add a special zip to the recipe.  I also usually "mince" my garlic on my Micro-Plane, and do the same with some of the ginger.  But if you just want a hint of garlic and ginger, then leave the pieces of garlic and ginger smashed whole.  Oh, and a dash of sesame oil is a nice addition too.  If you want some "heat", a glop or two of "Rooster" sauce does the job.  And marinate overnight - in large Zip-loc bags - if not longer!

-And the original recipe is very good too!  ;)


CHINESE-HAWAIIAN "BARBECUED" RIBS
Active time: 15 min Start to finish: 5 hr (includes marinating)
3/4 cup sugar
1/2 cup soy sauce
1/2 cup ketchup
1/4 cup medium-dry Sherry
1 teaspoon salt
1 garlic clove, smashed
1 (1-inch) cube peeled fresh ginger, smashed
3 lb baby back pork ribs (3 racks; do not cut apart)

Stir together sugar, soy sauce, ketchup, Sherry, and salt in a bowl until sugar is dissolved. Pour marinade into a roasting pan, then add garlic, ginger, and ribs, turning ribs to coat with marinade. Marinate, covered and chilled, turning occasionally, at least 3 hours.

Preheat oven to 325°F.

Line bottom of a broiler pan with foil, then arrange ribs, rounded sides up, on broiler rack, reserving marinade for basting (discard garlic and ginger). Roast in middle of oven, basting with marinade every 20 minutes (do not baste during last 10 minutes of cooking), until ribs are tender and glaze is well browned, about 1 3/4 hours. Discard any unused marinade.

Let racks stand 5 minutes, then cut into individual ribs.

Cooks' note:
• Ribs can marinate up to 1 day.

Makes 6 hors d'oeuvre servings.

*Or two really generous dinner portions. -JCS  
 
Gourmet
May 2003
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 09:38:52 AM
I love using the BBQ (a recent finding for me).

So how long do you BBQ tomatoes for?  And in slices?

Has anyone BBQed fruit?  I would also like to try this.

And I like black!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 09:39:21 AM
Now THAT'S a recipe that makes my mouth water (no mean feat).
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: PennyO on July 01, 2004, 09:39:27 AM
Barbecue delights: summer is the time to head for Costco and buy the Slab O' Salmon, a little balsamic vinegar, olive oil, parsley, scallion bath overnight. Then the whole slab goes on the barbecue on a large sheet of foil, skin side down. close the top and cook the sucker for about ten minutes, maybe a little more or less, depending on the thickness of said slab. Mmmmmmm. And plenty of fine leftovers for salads and sandwiches for a couple of days.

Scary movies? Don't really like 'em. They do upset me. "What is the law???" Oy.

It's lovely here in the woods. My bird neighbors are getting more and more used to me - they come for peanuts when I whistle each morning, and get very close to me. And one little red squirrel scampers all over me to get tasty treats. I love summer!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 09:40:59 AM
I don't really have any favorite BBQ recipes. I've never actually barbecued. I'm a very good BBQ GUEST, though. I compliment the food, clean up after myself and strive to be witty and charming.
In the last century, when I was married, my ex used to grill excellent salmon. That's the only thing I miss - the salmon. But I don't know how he did it.
 
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 09:41:45 AM
Btw, there was a great interpretation of "Summertime" on Canadian Idol last night.  Theresa (who is my favorite) sang it.  Hopefully she will go through to the next round.

Right now we are doing the 4 weeks of 8. And last night was week 3.  I am not sure yet what I think.  But it's really hard to get the right Top Ten.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Emily on July 01, 2004, 09:42:23 AM
Happy Canada Day to all Canadians and ex-pats (Panni and Michael Shayne - I hope you're flying the flag today!)

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We are supposed to have a celebratory BBQ today but it's raining.  Darn.

My favourite food to have grilled are lamb chops... with garlic and rosemary.  To quote DR Joy: arglagalgalagalga :D
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 09:42:30 AM
I BURY THE LIVING is a disturbing film.  It made me scared to be in a car driving passed the cemetery!

Well I know I enjoy the notes on the Ronald Stein CD and the Ultimate Titanic CD....but you produced those...hmmmmmmmm

And what is the status on that Stein JD music cd?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 09:42:30 AM
Oh and it's raining! :(
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 09:45:39 AM
I've grilled salmon twice now outside.  What I did was use tin foit.  I sprayed it (so the skin wouldn't stick).  And then I put the salmon it it.  I put some italian salad dressing, butter, spices, dill, lemon juice.  Then close up the foil. And put it on the BBQ for about 10 minutes.  It is quite delicious!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 09:46:12 AM
Ahhh..........I know....one of them....

AFTER THE FOX! Rycodisc of the Burt Bacharach score.  Hahahaha.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 09:46:56 AM
I saw Mr. Percepto Records at the Hollywood Collector's Show - all he said is "it's on the schedule".  I haven't done many liner notes outside of the albums I've done myself:  I did Michelle Pirret's album, the Gerald Fried I Bury the Living Notes, and two other soundtrack albums.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 09:49:18 AM
Once Upon a Time in China!!!   ;D

I didn't know there was such a CD!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 09:50:51 AM
Nope, I produced the Once Upon a Time in China CD.  These are on a totally different label than Varese or any other I worked for.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 09:51:13 AM
And they're both soundtracks by major composers.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 09:51:55 AM



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Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: PennyO on July 01, 2004, 09:55:01 AM
Has anyone heard from Jane and keith??
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 09:55:26 AM
Not After the Fox, either?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Ben on July 01, 2004, 09:57:15 AM
Here is a link for the trailer for Phantom of the Opera, due in movie theatres this Christmas. Nothing special about it, just a bunch of short, short clips speeding by w/underscoring. Certainly doesn't make me want to see it.

http://movies.channel.aol.com/movie/main.adp?%20_pgtyp=pdct&tab=trailers&mid=19465

Peter Scolari is replacing the wonderful Tony winning Dick Latessa as Edna Turnblad's husband in Hairspray beginning August 3rd. He's either leaving Sly Fox or Sly Fox will be closing by then.

ABC has announced they will re-run the Broderick/Chenowith Music Man over the 4th of July weekend. No wonder ABC is having ratings trouble!!!

It is rumored that Tim Curry will be playing the King in Spam-A-Lot.

And that, my friends, is your news from the Great White Way.

Not a fan of scary/horror whatever you want to call them movies. Also I don't eat barbeque much. Have no recipies or favorite bbq foods. Sorry.f May I still stay and play?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 09:59:51 AM
Gee, three posts in the time it took me to put together the dance! I don't know too many (if any) obscure horror films. I looked up the genre on Google to see if there were any I had seen and forgotten and found a title I liked (but have not seen)... THE KILLER TONGUE (ORIGINAL TITLE:  LA LENGUA ASESINA).
Summary:
 After eating a chunk of meteorite of mysterious origin, Candy and her pack of poodles are transformed, she into a latex fetish queen with a great wig and a five foot long tongue that kills people and harangues her in the voice of Harvey Fierstein, the poodles into a set of color-coordinated drag queens. Meanwhile, Robert Englund runs around acting creepy, Candy's sweaty ex-con boyfriend and the nun who loves him cavort in the desert, and what's left of the meteorite either kills people, heals them, or makes them horny, depending on the circumstances.

I'd pay good money to see that one!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 10:02:19 AM
Has anyone heard from Jane and keith??

Danise did a few days ago. She posted a brief message from Jane that they were well.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: William E. Lurie on July 01, 2004, 10:09:26 AM
Even without viewing the trailer, nothing makes me want to see the movie version of POTO.

"Music Man" is having its second run on a dead night in the middle of the summer because they are contractually obligated to run it twice.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 10:14:55 AM
LOL...thanks, Ben.  Actually the trailer makes the movie look pretty good to me....fan of POTO that I am (I have my tickets for the November 14 matinee!).

MATTH I highly recommend both I BURY THE LIVING and DEVIL GIRL FROM MARS to take you away from high brow entertainment such as DRIVING MISS DAISY and THE MARX BROTHERS.

DRPANNI that movie sounds beyond scary!

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Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jay on July 01, 2004, 10:15:25 AM
Has anyone heard from Jane and keith??

I believe they are due back home today.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 10:15:40 AM
Oh the movie within a movie in MATINEE called "Mant" is also a great example of the obscure sci fi flick.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 10:19:31 AM
Speaking of cooking ribs on the BBQ, does anybody have any recipes for this?  I would love to try it as I LOVE ribs!

Just do a search on any recipe site for BBQ ribs, and you'll find tons of recipes.  And tons of "allegiances".  There's Kansas City style, St. Louis style, Memphis style, North Carolina style, etc...

The main differences among the various styles:

The Meat - Pork or Beef.  -I actually prefer Beef ribs when I can get them - there's just more meat on the bone.  Pork is the main meat in the South, and Beef is the meat of choice in the Mid-West.

The Cut - This could be "simplified" down to the size and how the ribs are trimmed - the amount of meat-to-bone ratio.

Dry vs. Wet - Whether the ribs are "marinated" in a "dry" spice rub, or in a "BBQ" sauce.  Or both.  Whenever I go to The Rendezvous or Corky's in Memphis, I usually get 1/2 and 1/2.  -And their wet ribs are their cooked "dry" ribs coated with BBQ sauce during the final moments of cooking.

To Boil or Not To Boil - Some regions boil or steam their ribs before putting them on the grill, some don't.  This applies to "wet" recipes.

The one thing most regions have in common is "low and slow".  Put the ribs over low and indirect heat, for a good chunk of time.  It's the slow cooking that tenderizes the naturally meat - makes it "fall off the bone".

For "wet" recipes, the ribs are usually put on the grill for a long time before any sauce is applied, otherwise, the sauce ends up burning.  Although some people like the caramelization that sugar and/or honey based sauces provide.

And no matter how good the sauce and/or spice rub, if you're using "bad meat", then the final product will not be good no matter how much sauce you drown it in.  Don't skimp on quality.

Then there's the wood vs. charcoal issue...

So... If you'd like to cook some ribs this weekend, the easiest way to initiate yourself is to buy a slab or two of ribs - baby-back pork ribs are very user-friendly - and a bottle of your favorite BBQ sauce.  *If you have a good butcher, have him prepare your slab directly for the grill.

Prepare your grill and wood/coals/charcoal, then once they are ready (covered with a white-gray ash), push them to one side of the grill.  *An aluminum foil tray can help with this.  Place your ribs on the grill - not over the coals.  And wait.  And watch.  Try to keep the temp of your grill between 275-325.  Add more coals as needed, and use a spray bottle filled with water to help tame the fire if needed.

Once you sense that the meat is cooked through and tender - anywhere from one hour on up, then apply a nice coating of the sauce to one side.  Wait a few minutes. Turn.  Apply a nice coating to the other side.  Wait a few minutes.  Turn.  Apply more sauce if you like.  Take off the grill, and let them sit for a few minutes to cool down just a touch, and ENJOY!  -And keep some extra sauce on the side for dipping!

If you'd like some more detailed instructions and recipes, FoodTV recently had their "Grilling and Chilling Week".  Here's the link to the page:

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/et_sl_grilling/0,1972,FOOD_9872,00.html (http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/et_sl_grilling/0,1972,FOOD_9872,00.html)
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 10:29:16 AM
I love using the BBQ (a recent finding for me).

So how long do you BBQ tomatoes for?  And in slices?

Has anyone BBQed fruit?  I would also like to try this.

And I like black!

Tomatoes - Just brush them with the oil of your choice (olive, corn, canola, etc.) and place them on the grill - halves or whole or really thick slices.  Cook until desired doneness.  Low to medium heat works best since the water content is so high.  *Or just skewer some cherry tomatoes and plop them on the grill until they begin to burst.

Fruit - I like grilled peaches and grilled pineapple.  Some oil helps here too - to prevent them from sticking to the grill.  Although you can add some savory hints by adding rosemary or thyme to the oil.  Just plop them on the grill, and when they're done, take them off.  Again, watch the heat level since the sugars in the fruit can go from caramel to "black" very quickly.  *Oooh, and grilled pineapple with ginger ice cream is a killer combination!

*Oh, and I've recently grown fond of a dash or two of cinnamon on my steak while it is grilling.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Dan (the Man) on July 01, 2004, 10:29:25 AM
Is it raining in Canada, or is Canada Dry?  

Did anyone else ever think that the guy from The Buckinghams who sang lead on "Kind of a Drag"  was actually singing "Canada Dry"?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 10:37:41 AM
Yes, dRJENNIFER...as DRJOSE wrote....thick tomato slices with a bit of corn oil....turn them often.....you will know when they are done....a bit of brown color on both sides, depends on your taste and the heat of your grill.  You don't want to cook ALL the water out of them.

And also...you can slightly grill your watermelon slices for a different flavor as well.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 10:38:11 AM
Not me DtM....although it makes me laugh to think about it.

I always liked the tv and magazine ads for Canada Dry...because they were adults at adult parties drinking and listening to sophisticated music and laughing and having an adult good time.  :P
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: George on July 01, 2004, 10:54:53 AM
The only things that I barbecue are hamburgers and hot dogs.  That's it.  Pretty simple. ::)

As for horror movies, I don't think I've seen many obscure ones, but if I did, I can assure you that I do not remember what any of the titles are or what they're about.  I'm useless when it comes to things like that. :-\
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 10:58:14 AM
Robert Englund - Freddy from NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET - in case anyone did not know, is the son of Cloris Leachman.

I don't think that's correct. She was married to a man by the name of Englund and has actor offspring with that surname - but as far as I know, Robert Englund is not one of them.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 11:04:03 AM
Robert Englund - Freddy from NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET - in case anyone did not know, is the son of Cloris Leachman.
This is a case of people having the same last name, an understandable confusion.

According to Imdb, Cloris Leachman is "Mother of actors Adam Englund, Bryan Englund, George Englund Jr., Morgan Englund and actress Dinah Englund."

Robert Englund is the son of Kent and Janis McDonald.  His father was an aircraft engineer.  (The bio says his father "designed the U-2 spy plane," but none of those aircraft were ever designed by a single engineer.)

Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: MBarnum on July 01, 2004, 11:06:36 AM
You know I have yet to see DEVIL GIRL FROM MARS or I BURY THE LIVING even though both are out on numerous budget DVD sets! Actually I did see I BURY THE LIVING when I was a wee twig of a sprig but at that time I didn't like it much...perhaps as an adult I will appreciate it more.

I loved MATINEE!! Fun, fun movie!

And THE CREEPING TERROR...oh, my golly! It is one of my favorite Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes! But I first saw it when I was in 7th grade 'cause they showed it frequently on late night TV...love the dance scene in where everyone is twisting away not realizing they are all about to be devoured by the giant carpet monster!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Dan (the Man) on July 01, 2004, 11:09:34 AM
There was a Gene Roddenberry TV movie for CBS during the 70s (I believe it was a pilot) that I remember liking a lot.  It had a Sleeper-like plot about a scientist who is frozen and then awakened hundreds of years in the future.  I don't remember much about it other than that the leading man wore a sexy body suit, there was a super-speed intercontinental subway, and that Mariete Hartley played a girl with two belly buttons.  For some reason, this vision of the future appealed to me at the time.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 11:11:03 AM
I've never really tried BarBQ myself.  Grilling, that I've tried, but BarBQ is a slow-cooking method that is as much (if not more) smoking the meat as it is heating it to edible temperature.  It's a time-consuming process, and I rarely have that much time to spare.

The results can be mighty tasty.

Grilling, on the other hand, is best in it's simplicity.  Marinate the meat, heat up the grill, pop the meat on said heated grill and let it sit, maybe turning it once on the first side to get those fancy marks, then repeat on the other side.

My father used to be in charge of the Thanksgiving turkey every year, hoisting it on a rotisserie over the hot coals.  Very delish.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jay on July 01, 2004, 11:19:05 AM
There was a Gene Roddenberry TV movie for CBS during the 70s (I believe it was a pilot) that I remember liking a lot.  It had a Sleeper-like plot about a scientist who is frozen and then awakened hundreds of years in the future.  I don't remember much about it other than that the leading man wore a sexy body suit, there was a super-speed intercontinental subway, and that Mariete Hartley played a girl with two belly buttons.  For some reason, this vision of the future appealed to me at the time.

Hmmm.  Mr. Washington Irving might have some dispute with you over the origin of the conceit.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 11:22:40 AM
There was a Gene Roddenberry TV movie for CBS during the 70s (I believe it was a pilot) that I remember liking a lot.  It had a Sleeper-like plot about a scientist who is frozen and then awakened hundreds of years in the future.  I don't remember much about it other than that the leading man wore a sexy body suit, there was a super-speed intercontinental subway, and that Mariete Hartley played a girl with two belly buttons.  For some reason, this vision of the future appealed to me at the time.
You're thinking of Genesis II, which was indeed a pilot for a series that never came to be.  It starred Alex Cord as the man from our present who was reawakened in the future.  Mariette Hartley played the villian/love interest, presumably to be a recurring role, and Ted Cassidy played one of the good guys.

The outdoor city scenes were filmed at the University of California, Riverside.  It was a very pretty campus, at the time.

Roddenberry's second attempt to tell the story was titled Planet Earth, with John Saxon replacing Cord in the lead.  He wasn't nearly as good, in my opinion, and neither was the second pilot.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Charles Pogue on July 01, 2004, 11:24:34 AM
Given that it's the upcoming fourth, are we talking BBQ or just outdoor grilling?  If it's the latter, I have to say that Harlan Ellison claims The Lovely Wife, Julieanne, grilled him the best steak he's ever eaten.  It's the way he introduces her to his friends. "She makes the best steak I've ever eaten."  He raves about it at odd moments.  He's also absolutely right.  She has a great marinade which is very simple, but I've always been too lazy to find out exactly what's in it and how she mixes it, how long she lets it sit.  She also buys the meat (and the cut of meat has a lot to do with it -- it's not always the most expensive cut), and she does the grilling as well.  My part is merely starting the coals, occasionally holding the platter, and eating.

We're not big home BBQers. But I am a big BBQ fan. We go out for it. Usually to Dr. Hogly-Wogly's Tyler Texas BBQ out on Sepulveda in VanNuys.  The best around and some of the best I've had anywhere.  Brisket you could slice with a fork and a dark brown sauce that is sweet, as opposed to tangy.  This is Texas BBQ, not southern.  I prefer Texas-style...though Southern ain't bad in a pinch.  I'm not a big ribs fan.  It's just too much work for too little meat.  Hogly-Wogly's also makes a great macaroni salad.

Though Hogly-Wogly's is the best, Larry Drake and I recently discovered a new place downtown called the Original Texas Barbecue King.  That gives it a run for its money.  It's at  867 W. Sunset.  When I've got a craving, but no energy, I just take a quick jaunt to Huston's in Hollywood on Cahuenga between Sunset and Hollywood Blvds, for a nice BBQ sandwich and a macaroni salad side.

Probably the best BBQ I ever had was a place on Lovers Lane in Dallas called simply THE RIB.  For eleven dollars and change (starting out...the price went up in later years), it was all-could-eat in rather fancy surroundings.  Leather-covered booths, the platters served to you by smooth waiters in red-livery.  There was brisket, ribs of various variety, hot links, chicken, pork.  Quite an array.  The waiter would always come by and graciously ask:  You gentlemens wants some more?".  We always did. Drake and I used to go when we were struggling actors.  The ritual when we got out in the parking lot was to flip a coin to see who had to drive home.  Once in the car, the belts were undone and  top pants button snapped open to accomodate extended belly girths.

My favourite low-budget horror films would have to be the Val Lewton stuff done at RKO.  Great exercises in atmosphere and what you imagined, as opposed to graphic stuff.

I recently picked up for a dollar at the 99 Cent store, a copy of THE LAST MAN ON EARTH with Vincent Price which I believe is an adaptation of I AM LEGEND and I remember it has being a pretty good low-budget horror, though I haven't seen it in years.

Jason, when you were in Lexington yesterday, did you eat lunch or dinner there?  If so, where?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Sandra on July 01, 2004, 11:26:58 AM
My dad barbecued (or grilled) some corn for me once, and I've had those Morningstar Farms patties grilled, but other than that, I have never truly experienced the marvel that is barbecuing.

I also don't know much from scary movies. I just can't handle scary things. The scariest book I've ever read was Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, and that just about gave me a heart attack. The only scary movie I've ever seen was The Birds, and that one is most definitely not obscure.

That doughnut last night sure was good. Now I want another one!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 11:31:12 AM
After the Fox is one of the two soundtrack releases that I did the notes for.  What's the other one?  Hint: Same label.

Me want barbecue!

Waiting to hear about the rights to SOMETHING.  We're hopeful that our second backup will come through first, as we're now very sold on that play.  Send both vibes and xylophones and maybe we'll hear something soonish rather than laterish.  Vibes and xylophones for our second backup play.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 11:31:46 AM
My problem with donuts is that I simply cannot stop at one.  I must have multiple donuts.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: MBarnum on July 01, 2004, 11:39:33 AM

.......John Saxon replacing Cord in the lead.  He wasn't nearly as good, in my opinion,

Uh, oh! Them could be fightin' words to JRand53! LOL!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 11:44:15 AM
Actually, I just watched a fairly unknown low-budget sci-fi film from 1974, which I'll be talking about in tomorrow's notes - Saul Bass' Phase IV.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Dan (the Man) on July 01, 2004, 11:45:37 AM
You're thinking of Genesis II, which was indeed a pilot for a series that never came to be.  It starred Alex Cord as the man from our present who was reawakened in the future.  Mariette Hartley played the villian/love interest, presumably to be a recurring role, and Ted Cassidy played one of the good guys.

The outdoor city scenes were filmed at the University of California, Riverside.  It was a very pretty campus, at the time.

Roddenberry's second attempt to tell the story was titled Planet Earth, with John Saxon replacing Cord in the lead.  He wasn't nearly as good, in my opinion, and neither was the second pilot.

Yep, I remember both movie/pilots now.  Genesis II was definately the better of the two.  It had the same feel as the original Star Trek series, cinematically and thematically.  Planet Earth, on the other hand, was a much duller affair that just rehashed some of the Genesis II concepts.

I just checked out the credits on imdb and I stumbled across something I didn't know before:  Gene Roddenberry wrote Pretty Maids All in a Row.  I would have never guessed that.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 11:54:19 AM
My problem with donuts is that I simply cannot stop at one.  I must have multiple donuts.

Anyone who can have just one donut is an alien masquerading as an earthling. When I was an actress working in Stratford there was a Tim Horton Donuts there which was the primary source of my diet. Donuts for dinner is to die for.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 11:54:20 AM
I've never really tried BarBQ myself.  Grilling, that I've tried, but BarBQ is a slow-cooking method that is as much (if not more) smoking the meat as it is heating it to edible temperature.  It's a time-consuming process, and I rarely have that much time to spare.

I think the BBQing you describe is something that does not exist here.  I know it's big in the south.  But we call grilling BBQing (if it's done on a BBQ then that is what we call it).

DR Jose, your recipes and tips sound great. I will have to read them again.

But I'm not sure I want to cook outside (gas BBQ) for 1 or 2 hours.  I have made ribs many times in the oven.  And I use a recipe that takes a couple of hours at a low temperature.

I guess I should look into recipes where you boil or cook them first and then just BBQ them at the end.

Okay someone will probably hit me, but I always put the BBQ on high (for fish, meat, veggie skewers).  Should I not be doing that?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Stuart on July 01, 2004, 11:55:10 AM
Has anyone BBQed fruit?  I would also like to try this.

I did try grilling some fruit (no comments from the peanut gallery...) last summer.  I did peaches, plums, and as I recall, pineapple.

Either I didn't do it right, the fruit was too ripe (watch it!), or the fire was either too hot or too cold (oooh! a Frank Loessor reference!).  In the end, it just didn't seem worth it.

I do a nice marinade for London Broil on the grill:  sesame oil, soy sauce, a thicker teriyaki sauce, OJ, honey, garlic, ginger, scallions.  When the cut of meat is just so, and my proportions are just so, and the meat is grilled just so, it can be too, too delish.

I also like grilled chicken.

And sometimes these days, instead of running garlic bread under the broiler inside, if we are grilling we do sort of an herbed grilled bread.  Swipe sliced french or italian bread with some olive oil, then sprinkle each slice with basil, oregano, parsley, salt and pepper.  Grill the unseasoned side briefly, and then filp 'em 'til you see grill marks on the seasoned side.  Again, when the stars align, and everything is just so, it has a lovely smoky, herb-y flavor.

And as long as the coals are a-burning, there's no topper to a nice BBQ than a round of S'mores, and some ice cold watermelon.....not everything at a BBQ needs to be cooked!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 11:55:22 AM
What, no vibes?  Skammen.  How can we get our rights without the potent HHW vibes and xylophones?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Dan (the Man) on July 01, 2004, 11:59:01 AM
Some cool vibes from the master of vibes for BK's play prospects

(http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/v130/WandaDuck/hampton2.jpg)
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Stuart on July 01, 2004, 12:01:51 PM
Since we are on the subject of grilling/BBQ-ing, here's a sub-topic:

Charcoal, or gas?

I for one would never think to have a grill other than a charcoal one.  With one of those starter chimneys, especially, they are a snap, and the food tastes so much better than on a gas grill, IMHO (in my humble opinion, in internet lingo).
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Dan (the Man) on July 01, 2004, 12:01:57 PM
Anyone who can have just one donut is an alien masquerading as an earthling. When I was an actress working in Stratford there was a Tim Horton Donuts there which was the primary source of my diet. Donuts for dinner is to die for.

Tim Horton?  Didn't he write The Trip to a Bountiful Waistline?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Stuart on July 01, 2004, 12:03:32 PM
When I was an actress working in Stratford there was a Tim Horton Donuts there which was the primary source of my diet.

There are now Tim Horton's in the Rochester area.  Though I have to say that the donuts did not impress me.  Could it be because they were purchased at about 1 AM, and had probably been in the racks for some time?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 12:04:09 PM


[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]POTENT VIBES AND XYLOPHONES FOR THE SECOND BACKUP![/move]


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Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 12:59:45 PM
Nobody has posted since my post an hour ago??? Double skammen!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 01:00:33 PM
Double ditto.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 01:03:08 PM
It just occurred to me that if we don't hear from any of these rights holders today, we won't hear until Monday at the earliest.  We just talked to the agent for the first backup, who didn't know anything about us wanting to do the show (which means that the Broadway Play Service idiot lied to me and didn't send my e-mail yesterday).  That agent is now trying to help us get an answer.  Don't know where we stand with the second backup.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Dan (the Man) on July 01, 2004, 01:11:37 PM
I'll be spending all day Saturday at my sister's 4th of July Barbeque/Pool party.  I was thinking of going out and buying a croquet set to play with the kids.  Is croquet any fun?  Or should I go out and buy some lawn darts and water balloons instead?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 01:14:53 PM
Yes...well....John Saxon can be in a boring program....but John Saxon is rarely boring himself.

THE CREEPING TERROR has some of the weirdest narration I have ever heard.  Although the carpet that eats people is the wackiest!  Some of the victims crawl right in!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 01:17:07 PM
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Good vibes for RIGHTS....yes RIGHTS for the play!!!!   8)
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 01:20:44 PM
I'll be spending all day Saturday at my sister's 4th of July Barbeque/Pool party.  I was thinking of going out and buying a croquet set to play with the kids.  Is croquet any fun?  Or should I go out and buy some lawn darts and water balloons instead?

Slip N' Slide!!!!!!

-I always loved "rotating" the stripe of over-watered, half-dead grass on my parents' lawn when we lived in Seattle - there was a nice hill in the backyard.  Perfect for slipping and sliding!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: MBarnum on July 01, 2004, 01:30:29 PM
Dan the Man, we had a lot of fun playing croquet with the kids at my mom's birthday party, so by all means get the croquet set...and the water ballons, so that the losers can lambaste the winner! LOL!

Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: MBarnum on July 01, 2004, 01:32:03 PM
And especially seriously good "rights" vibes for BK and those involved!


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Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: MBarnum on July 01, 2004, 01:37:41 PM
Wow, tomorrow morning TCM is playing a movie I have waited years and years to see! The 1930 version of OUTWARD BOUND! I have seen the remake(s) but never that early version! Can't wait!!

I believe the DRACULA's Helen Chandler stars in it. An unusual actress, but I adore her.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 01:42:50 PM
Does anyone here know how to do potatoes on the BBQ?  I would like them to turn out crispy, the way they are after being cut and baked on 375 for 45 minutes to an hour.

I've tried microwaving them and then putting them on skewers.

And I've tried putting them in aluminum foil.  I'm guessing maybe they would just take a really long time?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 01, 2004, 01:49:58 PM
THE KILLER TONGUE (ORIGINAL TITLE:  LA LENGUA ASESINA).
Summary:
 After eating a chunk of meteorite of mysterious origin, Candy and her pack of poodles are transformed, she into a latex fetish queen with a great wig and a five foot long tongue that kills people and harangues her in the voice of Harvey Fierstein, the poodles into a set of color-coordinated drag queens. Meanwhile, Robert Englund runs around acting creepy, Candy's sweaty ex-con boyfriend and the nun who loves him cavort in the desert, and what's left of the meteorite either kills people, heals them, or makes them horny, depending on the circumstances.

I'd pay good money to see that one!

Are we to suspect your wrote the screen play under another name? (Cavorting Nuns sounds Hungarian).
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 01:51:11 PM
DR Stuart, I have a gas BBQ, and most people I know have gas BBQs.  That seems to be what they sell here.

BK, good vibes to you ~~~~~~~~~~~~.

Re: the people lying to you.  Maybe at least you can get the agents or someone to have a word with those people.  I just don't get how they can get away with lying to you.  If the rights are unavailable then they are unavailable.  But they are a business and you are their customer.  I cannot believe that those running the business would be happy with their employees lying.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 01:57:50 PM
Does anyone here know how to do potatoes on the BBQ?  I would like them to turn out crispy, the way they are after being cut and baked on 375 for 45 minutes to an hour.

I've tried microwaving them and then putting them on skewers.

And I've tried putting them in aluminum foil.  I'm guessing maybe they would just take a really long time?

So, are you looking for a baked potato with a crispy skin?  or more like "oven-baked" fries, but done on the grill.

Getting potatoes to crisp on the grill is not really something that's easily accomplished.  They get crisp in the oven since they're being cooked in dry heat.  A grill is dry, but... I think they'd just get too smokey. ??? You'd basically have to treat your grill as an oven, place the potato slices - which have been oiled - on a high rack - and see what happens.

Now there's always baking the potatoes on the grill - or wrapping them in foil and burying them in the coals.  -Slice them up a little bit, add some oil and spices, wrap in foil, place in fire.. wait... Very much a camp-fire staple.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Robin on July 01, 2004, 01:58:24 PM
Oh the movie within a movie in MATINEE called "Mant" is also a great example of the obscure sci fi flick.

The laserdisc of Matinee contains a Mant! featurette.  I'm keeping the laserdisc, since the deeveedee didn't have it.  
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 01:59:08 PM
Just seeing the name MANT! made me burst out in laughter. MATINEE wasn't a perfect movie, but it certainly got that right and was a loving valentine to an era many of us fondly remember.

Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 02:01:12 PM
I've spent this afternoon with my replacement copy of KISS ME KATE which came in the mail this morning. I wish I had my original DVD for comparison because I could swear the first half of my first DVD of it was sharper than this one. The sharpness improved about halfway through. (I guess I could be imagining this, but I could have sworn it was sharper. Of course, it's razor sharp throughout compared to the laserdisc.)
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jay on July 01, 2004, 02:01:52 PM
My fervent prayer for you, Dear BK:

May the gods of theatrical licensing smile upon Dear BK and his colleagues, and may Dear BK and his upstanding colleagues be granted the rights to produce that work for the stage that is their first choice.  

And furthermore, when it premieres, may their production be so outstanding, so well-reviewed and so well-sold that the individuals associated with the properties over which they are giving Dear BK and his colleagues such tsuris right now will have no choice but to eat their hearts out.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 02:01:55 PM
THE MUSIC MAN is a perfect movie for the holiday weekend. The probelm is, they're running the wrong one.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 02:07:26 PM
Hope to get to THE MARX BROTHERS documentary later this afternoon or early evening.

Yes, I have that MATINEE laserdisc with the MANT! featurette, too. I never bought the DVD, but I'm disappointed they didn't repeat this on the DVD issue. Drat!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 02:09:40 PM
Not looking good for rights resolution today, as it's already after five in NY.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 01, 2004, 02:17:45 PM
I think the BBQing you describe is something that does not exist here.

Oh, but it do, girl, it do!

Grill Dome Canada (http://www.grilldome.ca/History.htm)

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The History of Grill Dome Canada
The passion for Barbeque started in 1991 with our first open pit whole hog experience. After three years of this primitive method of preparing a whole hog, our first homemade smoke cooker was built and we haven't stopped expanding and experimenting with barbeque.
Having purchased, made and used other smoke cookers, our quest for a smoke cooker for our varying climate continued. With the frustration of metal cookers that lose most of their heat in the winter and were difficult to control in the hot summer months, the search began for an alternative.

During a barbeque competition in 2001 we competed against a team that brought something new, a ceramic cooker. While the cooker itself looked odd to us, the concept it held was intriguing.
 
A Canadian magazine was running an ad for Grill Dome USA and it caught our attention. After several e-mail communications and a trip down to Atlanta, Georgia the first pair of domes arrived in Canada. It only took a couple of cooks to realize that we found an incredible new tool in barbeque cooking.

With 10 Barbeque competitions under our belt and having experienced 2 of the most well known competitions in the United States, we start on our latest venture, Grill Dome Canada.

Canadians are only now starting to enjoy the experience of true barbeque. Before the introduction of smokers, we thought (and some still do) that the gas grill was the only barbeque option. Until you've tried what a smoke barbeque can produce, you don't know what you're missing. The best part is, smokers aren't just for meat. We've enjoyed baked goods, appetizers, vegetables and even desserts. Some of our experimenting has come over what has been the harshest Canadian winter in years. With temperatures dipping down to -17oC during the day, we were enjoying a delicious smoked cooked pork shoulder.

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And you can get a model in basic black for Panni.

der Brucer
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Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Robin on July 01, 2004, 02:18:31 PM
A few of my favorite horror/sci-fi obscurities:

I Bury the Living! creeped me out, big time.  So did Horrors of the Black Museum, Fiend Without a Face (which has one of the best payoff reels in sci-fi history), and It Conquered the World (which works for me as well as it's mid-budget cousin Invasion of the Body Snatchers).  Oh, and Kronos pretty much rules!

Some others I love, but for altogether different reasons:
Teenagers from Outer Space
The Brain from Planet Arous
The Astounding She Monster
Robot Monster

and, last but certainly not least:
The Beginning of the End
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Robin on July 01, 2004, 02:27:19 PM
Yep, I remember both movie/pilots now.  Genesis II was definately the better of the two.  It had the same feel as the original Star Trek series, cinematically and thematically.  Planet Earth, on the other hand, was a much duller affair that just rehashed some of the Genesis II concepts.

Planet Earth also had the added benefit of being unintentionally hilarious.  When the Amazons of the Future drug their men into being a bootlicking lackeys, they're called "Dinks"...and of course, one of the women has to make out with John Saxon to get the emasculation drugs out of his system.  Man, I thought I'd die laughing...!

As big a Star Trek geek as I am, I've never bought the notion that Gene Roddenberry was a great writer.  He did an incredible job creating Star Trek, but all of the series' best-loved episodes were written by other people.  

Oh, well...just my two cents.  

Now, I'm off to watch Ken Jennings kick some intellectual ass on today's episode of Jeapordy!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Robin on July 01, 2004, 02:33:10 PM
Jeapordy! has been pre-empted by Wimbelton Tennis.  Tennis exists only to remind me there's a sport more boring than golf.  
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 02:33:26 PM
Yes, I agree with your choices DRROBIN....I didn't list BEGINNNG OF THE END, because it's not obscure in these parts....LOL....

IT CONQUERED THE WORLD....wooooohooooooo.  I also liked THE LAST WOMAN ON EARTH with Betsy Jones-Moreland.

There hasn't been much (just MB and me) comment on THIS IS NOT A TEST....about a group of people who try to survive a coming nuclear attack in a large semi truck and trailer.  I N T E N S E!!!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 02:34:10 PM
Well, I mentioned this before here but TARGET EARTH (the 1950s sci-fi flick, not the CHristopher Meloni miniseries) really creeped me out as a very, very young kid. I had nightmares about the robots in this film for weeks after I saw the movie. The film so traumatized me that I blotted out the name of it for many decades. Then, when discussing sci-fi with critic Bill Warren, I mentioned this film with robots and he knew instantly which movie I was talking about. I found a copy of it in a half price bin several years ago and watched it. It's laughable now, of course, but it sure scared me 45 years ago!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 02:34:30 PM
Oh and TEENAGE MONSTER!!!  And THE DAY MARS INVADED EARTH!!!

More after rehearsal!  I can't find the other CD that BK did the notes for....whew!  A search for his output brings up pages and pages and pages.....
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 02:34:45 PM
...and pages...and pages of work!

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Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 02:36:36 PM
MATTH - producer Herman (I am the Captain of this Ship) Cohen does a great commentary on the TARGET EARTH DVD!!!

Oh....and I took out the part of my post about Cloris and Robert....but I had been quoted....LOL.  

Don't ever make a mistake here, DR'S.....you will be haunted the whole live long day by your ignorance!   ;D

Time to make the donuts..... :-X
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Michael on July 01, 2004, 02:44:10 PM
First happy Dominion Day aka Canada Day to all my friends and family up in Canada
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Michael on July 01, 2004, 02:45:07 PM
Favorite BBQ would have to be baby back ribs. I eat them way too often and too much of them at one time.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Michael on July 01, 2004, 02:51:07 PM
My favorite film that had a BBQ in it has to be Fried Green Tomatoes. Although I don't think I would have liked to eat ther BBQ surprise that they fed the Sherrif.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Michael on July 01, 2004, 02:52:10 PM
I think the classiest Sci Fi film and favorite one has to be the Andromena Strain because at the time I thought it really did happen.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 03:06:34 PM
I've told this story before and I almost put it in the first Kritzer book but couldn't find a place for it.

I saw Target Earth at a sneak preview at the Baldwin Theater.  When the robot made its first appearance I went running up the aisle and right out of the theater, losing one of my thongs (the shoe, not the underwear) in the ivy in front of the theater.  We never found it.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 03:10:50 PM
Late-breaking news: Tammy just talked to the author's agent for our second backup play and she said we definitely have the rights, she just doesn't know who's going to draw up the contract (apparently it's with one of the play services now, but not one we've dealt with) or what the per-show fee is.  So, we've got to have a casting session on Saturday and lock in a cast by Monday or Tuesday.  Of the three plays, I just about like this one the best, for several reasons.  It's not as controversial as our first backup play, The Shape of Things by Neil LaBute.  But Tammy's role in the second backup is more likeable and friendly and I think that's important.  The audience will not like the character in The Shape of Things.  In any case, unless something goes terribly awry (hopefully it can't, given that it was the author's AGENT who said we definitely have the rights), we'll be doing Rebecca Gilman's Blue Surge.  The show was originally done in Chicago at The Goodman and then at The Public in NY, both productions directed by the great Robert Falls.  It was done last year at the Magic Theater in SF, but this will be its LA premiere.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Tomovoz on July 01, 2004, 03:18:22 PM
Did anyone else ever think that the guy from The Buckinghams who sang lead on "Kind of a Drag"  was actually singing "Canada Dry"?
:) And we don't have "Canada Dry" here.
Come to think of it , "Kind Of a Drag" was not a hit here either. But I still think it's funny.
My next door neighbour's kids used to sing along with John Denver - "Amost Heaven west of Ginger".
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Tomovoz on July 01, 2004, 03:21:32 PM
I'm too late for the vibes but I have been playing Martin Denny and Arthur Lyman music this week - maybe it helped.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 03:23:30 PM
So, are you looking for a baked potato with a crispy skin?  or more like "oven-baked" fries, but done on the grill.

Getting potatoes to crisp on the grill is not really something that's easily accomplished.  They get crisp in the oven since they're being cooked in dry heat.  A grill is dry, but... I think they'd just get too smokey. ??? You'd basically have to treat your grill as an oven, place the potato slices - which have been oiled - on a high rack - and see what happens.

Now there's always baking the potatoes on the grill - or wrapping them in foil and burying them in the coals.  -Slice them up a little bit, add some oil and spices, wrap in foil, place in fire.. wait... Very much a camp-fire staple.

Ha, I see I explained it well. :(

No, not baked pototoes.  I meant sliced wedges (when you oil and season them and put them in the oven for an hour).

I'm wondering if I put them in aluminum on the grill if they would get crispy.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: MBarnum on July 01, 2004, 03:26:33 PM
Right now on LuxuriaMusic.com they are playing LUAU CHA-CHA-CHA by: ANNETTE FUNICELLO (or is it JRand53 in disguise?)

At first I thought it was Margerita Sierra!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Tomovoz on July 01, 2004, 03:30:04 PM
I have a memory of BK having some connection to either "New York New York" or "Lucky Lady". The memory goes way back to "The Real A" days so I may be way way way way off. Can't find any liner notes to either.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 01, 2004, 03:33:09 PM
Ha, I see I explained it well. :(

No, not baked pototoes.  I meant sliced wedges (when you oil and season them and put them in the oven for an hour).

I'm wondering if I put them in aluminum on the grill if they would get crispy.

Not necessary.  You can get them to "caramelize" either in the oven or in a pan on your stovetop...just make sure you have oil in the potatoes at the end of the cooking process.

Anything cooked on a grill will get crunchy at some point...but that's not always a good thing.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 03:33:16 PM
DR Der Brucer, not sure where in Canada they do true BBQing.  But I've never heard of anyone doing it here.  To everyone here BBQing is what you call GRILLING. :)
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Noel on July 01, 2004, 03:34:33 PM
I don't claim to know anything about cooking, but I don't see how one can barbecue over gas.  Isn't the idea is that the smoke from the fire adds to the flavor?  I've done charcoal, mesquite, etc.  But please tell me: If it's gas, is it still BarBQ?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 03:42:42 PM
So, I'm happy to announce (barring anything crazy happening) that the play we'll be doing is Rebecca Gilman's Blue Surge.  I really like it, and it will be fun to work on.  Terrific role for Tammy, and the other four characters are all interesting and good parts.  Totally different than our other two choices.  Blue Surge was originally directed by Robert Falls in Chicago and then at the Public in NY.  If anyone saw it there, I have some questions about the set.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 03:51:48 PM
GREAT NEWS, BK!!!

-There was actually some sort of "hold" on Rebecca Gilman plays here in DC until this past year.  Apparently, some "larger" theatre in area wanted to produce one of her plays, but just ended up "holding" the rights to it - well, more like "holding up" the rights - to the play they wanted to do and any other Gilman play.  It really was kind of strange having no Rebecca Gilman play produced in this area for the past couple of seasons - considering every other "theatre town" across America had.  SPINNING INTO BUTTER finally got produced by a small company a few months ago due to some creative workings and very persistent phone calling.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 03:55:06 PM
Re: the pototoes

I know I can cook them in the oven.  But sometimes in the summer I'd rather not turn the oven on, and I was just asking if there was an easy way to make them crispy on the BBQ.

BK re: The Shape of Things

I just saw that play in the last month or two, and while the female part is not well liked, it is a good part.

Also, I did not see the show in NY, so I have no idea how it was staged there.  But the director here did something extremely cool.

There were two levels to the set. The top level had a garden on one side and a bedroom on the other.  The bed was against the wall (from the floor to the ceiling).  It was standing up.  And it made for the neatest bedroom scenes. I loved it.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 03:56:53 PM
I don't claim to know anything about cooking, but I don't see how one can barbecue over gas.  Isn't the idea is that the smoke from the fire adds to the flavor?  I've done charcoal, mesquite, etc.  But please tell me: If it's gas, is it still BarBQ?

Well... You could start some very heated (pardon the pun) discussions regarding the nature of true BBQ...

Most of my friends with gas grills got them mainly because they're easier to "operate".  And from a health standpoint, there's less carcinogenic material involved.  However, most gas grills do allow you to use wood chips now, so that if you want that woodsy-smoky flavor you can have it if you so wish.

I've seen some of those major rigs that BBQ competitors use, and they're usually a combination of wood and gas.  The gas is used to help maintain a constant flame and heat, and the wood is used to help the flavor.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 03:57:36 PM
Oh, the role in Shape of Things is terrific, no question.  But so is the role in Blue Surge.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 03:57:36 PM
Re: gas BBQs

Well there are coals.  It's just gas that lights them, right?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: DearReaderLaura on July 01, 2004, 04:00:28 PM
Good news on the play, BK. Good vibes on all the work you have to do. ~~~~~~~~~~

I don't like horror movies (big surprise).
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 04:24:18 PM
Re: gas BBQs

Well there are coals.  It's just gas that lights them, right?

Lava rocks or some man-made lava-rock-like composite that holds heat very well.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 04:42:59 PM
I saw Target Earth at a sneak preview at the Baldwin Theater.  When the robot made its first appearance I went running up the aisle and right out of the theater, losing one of my thongs (the shoe, not the underwear) in the ivy in front of the theater.  We never found it.

Had it been the underwear, there would now be a clear psychological explanation as to why you have such a deep and abiding hatred for them as an adult.
BTW -  the thought of little boy bk in thongs (the underwear) will be my source of amusement/horror for the next 24 hours.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 04:43:55 PM
And CONGRATS on getting the second backup! I love happy endings.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 01, 2004, 05:00:39 PM
Lava rocks or some man-made lava-rock-like composite that holds heat very well.

Some of the best gas grills (The Webber Genesis series being my favorite) have no lava rocks or composite fufu.

From Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00012CW1W/ref=nosim/customcores/102-6636318-9115346?dev-t=D2Y5TUCCVJ7DGE):

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Three long-lasting, 36,000 BTU stainless-steel burners --each with its own temperature control--cook countless meals evenly and efficiently. In place of the lava rock, pumice stone, or flat metal plates found in most gas grills, Weber grills include the company's patented Flavorizer bars, which do not retain dripped fats. Instead, juices sizzle and smoke when they hit the Flavorizers, eliminating potentially disastrous flare-ups while imparting a delicious smoky flavor to food.

der you kill it, you grill it , I'll eat it Brucer
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Emily on July 01, 2004, 05:29:51 PM
Where on Earth are those Canadian-BBQ persons doing their so-called "real barbecue" where an "extreme" winter daytime temperature is -17 celcius?  Vancouver?  sheesh... they may be bbq pros - but they're also weather wimps :D
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 05:34:45 PM
In more fun news, our theater just told us that despite what they'd said earlier in the week, we now cannot push our opening one week.  So, we now have three weeks to get this thing together (and a week of tech).  Hopefully I'll get good actors who can and will work hard.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 01, 2004, 05:36:03 PM
DR Der Brucer, not sure where in Canada they do true BBQing.  But I've never heard of anyone doing it here.  To everyone here BBQing is what you call GRILLING. :)

I guess you'll just have to get out of the city and explore the wonders of your nation:

Calgary (http://www.bbqonthebow.com/Program.htm…):

BBQ on the Bow
Festival   2004
Calgary's Premiere End of Summer Festival

BBQ COMPETITION:
It's all in the technique. Talented teams of chefs from Canada and the U.S. will vie for the title of "Alberta Champion". Who can cook the best ribs, pork butt, brisket or poultry over slow burning wood or charcoal? Our judges will put their taste buds to the test.

BC (http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/events/bbqchamps.asp)

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Canadian National BBQ Championships: July 30 - August 1, 2004

The 3rd Annual Canadian BBQ Championships will take place at Dusty's Bar & BBQ, July 30 - August 1, 2004.

Last year's competition attracted more than 1500 spectators for a weekend jam-packed with live entertainment, all night cooking, fabulous food, sunshine, kids activities and more. We expect this year to be the best contest we have ever had with as many as 50 teams for three days of cooking, socializing and celebrating.

This competition is the highlight of the Northwest's competitive circuit, and a qualifier event for the American Royal World Championships in Kansas City as well as the Jack Daniel's Invitational BBQ event in Lynchburg, Tennessee.  This year the Grand Champion from the Canadian Championships will be flying to Jamaica to relax at an all inclusive resort in Montego Bay, and will represent Canada at the Jamaican BBQ competition!

Ontario (http://www.bbq-porch.org/reviews/can.asp)

Name: BBQ-Bob's
Address: 201 Rabbit Lake Road
City: Kenora
State: Ontario

 Comments

If your ever in Kenora, Canada for the fishing you have to stop at this place. Located in an old log cabin on the shore of Rabbit Lake. this place rocks in the summer they have an outdoor deck and beach volleyball. they had excellant BBQ Beef Ribs, Pork Ribs, Chicken and some of the best chicken wings ever, they claim to sell a quarter million wings a year! and have the hottest suicide sauce I have ever tasted. Good atmosphere and excellant service.

der Brucer
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Post by: DERBRUCER on July 01, 2004, 05:55:05 PM
Where on Earth are those Canadian-BBQ persons doing their so-called "real barbecue" where an "extreme" winter daytime temperature is -17 celcius?  Vancouver?  sheesh... they may be bbq pros - but they're also weather wimps :D

Your Canadian BBQ super-star cooks in Whistler BC.

Pigue News (http://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/pique/index.php?cat=&content=get+stuffed+Pit+mister+1124)

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Get Stuffed - Pit mister

 Paul Street and the sweet mysteries of barbecue
 
"Barbecue is the most American of foods; to hell with apple pie. If Congress decided to declare a national dish, barbecue should win by acclamation."– Dotty Griffith, Celebrating BarbecueBy Glenda Bartosh

There are those who ski. There are those who golf. And, in America, there are those who barbecue.

When Paul Street toyed with the notion of converting Dusty’s to a barbecue nirvana some five or six years ago, he had no idea that he’d be swept up whole hog, so to speak, into the cultish Budweiser-annointed world of competitive barbecuing.And he certainly never pictured himself – bona fide Canuck and mere mortal immersed in food and beverage management for Whistler-Blackcomb – in a park on the banks of the Mississippi River in sultry Memphis, Tennessee, grinning from ear to ear with his teammates after being declared overall grand champions (plus masters in the hog category), beating out some 230-odd teams in the 24-hour barbecue marathon known alternatively as the "Superbowl of Swine" or the great Memphis in May World Champ BBQ.

Take your pick.But once Paul started researching the notion of bringing gen-u-ine BBQ to Whistler – something we Canadians often confuse with mere grilling – he quickly found out that barbecue is nothing without a competitive edge."If you’re talking to a barbecuer, if you can’t go out and cook with these guys, who are you?" Paul points out. "There’s an amazing lack of restaurateurs out there willing to put it all on the line because they are going to get beat. A restaurateur who’s going to beat a seasoned competitor? It’s not going to happen."


der Brucer
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jay on July 01, 2004, 06:08:03 PM
It is my turn this evening to sojourn to the historic Pasadena Playhouse for a performance of 110 in the Shade.  As always, I shall check in upon my return.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Robin on July 01, 2004, 06:48:03 PM
I just finished watching the first two episodes of Lost in Space and the Wonder Woman pilot movie on deeveedee.  I liked the first half of the first season of Lost in Space, but when Dr. Smith turned into a wussburger, it got bad really fast.  Likewise, once they took the Wonder Woman series out of WWII, it jumped the shark, as the kids say these days.  

But they both had such promising beginnings.  Heck, Cloris Leachman played Wonder Woman's mom, and Kenneth Mars was playing a Nazi (shades of Franz Liebkin!)...how cool is that?

The Robot was actually kinda scary at first, and Dr. Smith was some kinda Judo expert and a Commie spy or something!  That's pretty cool, too.  
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 07:11:50 PM
What, no vibes?  Skammen.  How can we get our rights without the potent HHW vibes and xylophones?
I've been at work, just got home, and am still trying to catch my breath.

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Vibe
Xylophone
Timpani
and whatever those damn things are that look like a xylophone only they're smaller and girls carry them in marching bands and they make a tinkley sound.[/size]
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 07:21:11 PM
...losing one of my thongs (the shoe, not the underwear) in the ivy in front of the theater....
Sorry, BK, but the parenthetical stuff makes this sentence lose it's effect.

 ;D
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Michael on July 01, 2004, 07:23:35 PM
I just finished watching the first two episodes of Lost in Space and the Wonder Woman pilot movie on deeveedee.  I liked the first half of the first season of Lost in Space, but when Dr. Smith turned into a wussburger, it got bad really fast.  Likewise, once they took the Wonder Woman series out of WWII, it jumped the shark, as the kids say these days.  

But they both had such promising beginnings.  Heck, Cloris Leachman played Wonder Woman's mom, and Kenneth Mars was playing a Nazi (shades of Franz Liebkin!)...how cool is that?

I quite agree with you that the first group of episodes of Lost in Space were quite good, but once they settled into the silliness they show was not worth watching. In my humble opinion that perhaps the first 7 episodes are the best of the series and some of the best dare I saw original sci fi tv.

The Robot was actually kinda scary at first, and Dr. Smith was some kinda Judo expert and a Commie spy or something!  That's pretty cool, too.  
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 07:31:43 PM
I'm going out to get some ice cream -- then more writing.  (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/ernaehrung/food-smiley-011.gif)
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 07:33:35 PM
I don't claim to know anything about cooking, but I don't see how one can barbecue over gas.  Isn't the idea is that the smoke from the fire adds to the flavor?  I've done charcoal, mesquite, etc.  But please tell me: If it's gas, is it still BarBQ?
Noel, you're confusing BarBQ with grilling.  BarBQ requires slow cooking, over wood.  It requires smoking the meat.

Grilling, on the other hand, can be done over either a wood flame or gas.  Grilling is a comparatively rapid cooking method.

Jack McDavid knows about BarBQ.  Bobby Flay only knows grilling.  (OK, McDavid can grill, too, but even then he prefers a wood flame over gas.  Next time you're in Philly, check his food out.  Yummilicious.  Jack's Firehouse is pricy, but the Down Home Diner at the Reading Terminal Market is easy on the budget, and filled with great stuff on the menu.)
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 07:35:54 PM
Time to get dinner on the table.  I was thinking Tamale Pie, but I don't know how to make one yet.  Instead, I'm going to try for a Mexican-flavored Salisbury Steak.  Sort of a Salisburrito, I guess.
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 07:37:24 PM
Meanwhile, can someone please try to write a lyric (to a South Park melody) explaining once and for all the differences between BBQ and Grilling?

I've got the perfect title:

Flame Canada!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jennifer on July 01, 2004, 08:09:19 PM
DR S. Woody, HERE GRILLING AND BARBEQUING ARE THE SAME THING.  Like I said, EVERYONE here refers to grilling as BBQing.  You must remember that there are different terms for such things in different areas.

I'm back from more fireworks.  And now I"m off to watch tv.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 08:26:25 PM
I have a small charcoal grill, but I have to really be in the mood to go to the trouble of lining the base with foil, putting in charcoal, lighting and keeping it burning , cleaning the grill top, etc. It's a lot of bother, and I usually don't go to the trouble. I do love the flavor, though.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 08:30:35 PM
I watched all three seasons of LOST IN SPACE during its original run, but the Dr. Smith character became so campy by the second season that the show was more comedy than space thriller.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Matt H. on July 01, 2004, 08:33:11 PM
That UNKNOWN MARX BROTHERS documentary was really very entertaining with rare footage like clips from the TV pilot the three brothers did in the early 1960s and solo TV appearances by Chico and Harpo on various shows. It was great to watch this footage again, and clips from YOU BET YOUR LIFE are always fun.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 08:40:06 PM
Mystery solved!  Thanks to the kind folks over at one of the Linda Ronstadt message boards, the three Jimmy Webb songs she performed last night - and throughout her current tour - were/are:

"Adios"
"I Keep It Hid"

and...

drumroll please....

"Do What You Gotta Do"

-But the order of the songs last night was "Adios", "Do What You Gotta Do" and then "I Keep It Hid"

WHEW!  Maybe I can get some sleep tonight! ;)
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 09:03:58 PM
And don't forget the delicacy I mentioned last year.....grilled Spam....grilled Spam....NOT Barbecued Spam....grilled with mustard brushed on it.  

Wow MB...Annette on the radio...that means another nickel for her!!

Haven't heard of BLUE SURGE....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 09:32:51 PM
Been reading Blue Surge, getting all sorts of ideas for set and lighting and how I can stage it fluidly.  Fun.  My set designer is reading it, but we may have to get someone else - she's feeling a bit bewitched, bothered and bewildered having designed one set, being told we can't do that play, then having read another play and then being told we can't do that one either (not that she designed anything for that).  I'd like her to stay on board but only if she has the right attitude and spirit.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 09:58:29 PM
DR S. Woody, HERE GRILLING AND BARBEQUING ARE THE SAME THING.  Like I said, EVERYONE here refers to grilling as BBQing.  You must remember that there are different terms for such things in different areas.
Ah, well.  What can we expect from people who still equate fine cooking with that sissy French stuff.

 :o

The Cajuns were right to move south to Loo'siana!

 :o   :o   :o

More seriously, I'm sorry you haven't had a chance to try real BarBQ.  Memphis style pulled pork, for example, which is literally that, pork that has been slow-cooked so tender that it can be pulled apart with forks and then layered into a sandwich and sauced or served on a plate.  Or Texas style, which usually means big, beefy ribs (the meat changes with the territory).

(On the other hand, the ice wines of Canada are magnificent, potent and sweet.  The stuff makes up for the fact that those north of the border talk funny.)

( ;D ;) ;D)
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jrand73 on July 01, 2004, 10:19:07 PM
Raw Panic!!!   I decided to watch TARGET EARTH!!!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 10:22:45 PM
Isn't the robot terrifying?
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 11:08:47 PM
Welcome six GUESTS.  We're talkin' about barbecue!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: bk on July 01, 2004, 11:09:10 PM
Maybe we should talk about Barbie Benton instead of Barbecue.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Tomovoz on July 01, 2004, 11:16:00 PM
I had forgotten that Jimmy Webb wrote "Do What You Gotta Do". It's on the Winter Light" CD. I always associate with Al Wilson from around 1968.
Thanks for the memories Jose.
I have been away from the house for 7 hours and we are still on the same page!!!

DR François must make the difference - he is on holidays and will be sans computer for the next few weeks.
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Post by: Tomovoz on July 01, 2004, 11:17:11 PM
We were on the same page when I started typing!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 11:17:16 PM
I'm cooking oatmeal. Isn't that exciting? Maybe I should try barbecuing it. Why am I cooking oatmeal so late at night? Good question. I always cook several days worth, store it in the fridge, then just nuke it for breakfast. The end.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jay on July 01, 2004, 11:17:19 PM
...and whatever those damn things are that look like a xylophone only they're smaller and girls carry them in marching bands and they make a tinkley sound.

You refer, of course, to the glockenspiel, Dear Reader S. Woody White.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jay on July 01, 2004, 11:19:45 PM
I'm cooking oatmeal. Isn't that exciting? Maybe I should try barbecuing it. Why am I cooking oatmeal so late at night? Good question. I always cook several days' worth, store it in the fridge, then just nuke it for breakfast. The end.

You should meet the step-mother of Dear Reader Stuart and myself, Dear Reader Panni.  She brews coffee, stores it in the fridge in mayonnaise jars, and then nukes it in the microwave when it is time to be consumed.

This is a process I cannot recommend to others.  I hope your stored and aged oatmeal does better than that coffee.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 11:19:50 PM
You refer, of course, to the glockenspiel, Dear Reader S. Woody White.
"Glockenspiel" having nearly as many letters as I used in my discription of the instrument!
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 01, 2004, 11:20:43 PM
You're very welcome, DR Tomovoz.

Well, I've had a tiring day...

Goodnight.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: S. Woody White on July 01, 2004, 11:21:38 PM
You should meet the step-mother of Dear Reader Stuart and myself, Dear Reader Panni.  She brews coffee, stores it in the fridge in mayonnaise jars, and then nukes it in the microwave when it is time to be consumed.

This is a process I cannot recommend to others.  I hope your stored and aged oatmeal does better than that coffee.
She does wash out the jars before storing the coffee in them, I hope!  It could make the difference.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 11:24:52 PM
Oh no! I've been quoted! I'm trying to figure out what is correct grammatically. What I wrote was wrong - "several day's worth" - that's incorrect. But is it "several days worth"...? Or is it "several days' worth"...?
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Post by: Ann on July 01, 2004, 11:25:05 PM
Good evening all
I don't know from scary movies, so I can't add anything to the conversation.  
As far as BBQ is concerned, I'm a big fan of grilled stuff, but BBQ sauce is not my cup of tea.  I have had grilled corn on the cob...very yummy.  Grilled salmon is my favorite, hands down.  

I have my left wrist all wrapped up in an ace bandage...yesterday while playing with the kids, the 5 year old was hanging on to my hand and yanked me in a direction my arm didn't want to go.  It hurts...but oh well.  I think it's just a mild sprain.  

I'm watching M*A*S*H.  I was watching the Scarlet Letter, but it got too depressing.  
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 11:28:09 PM
Nuked oatmeal is fine. I don't like instant oatmeal, but who wants to cook real oatmeal every morning? Cooking it once every three or four days and nuking is the perfect solution
...Nuked coffee, no thanks.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 11:29:09 PM
How did you like 110 in the Shade, Jay?
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Post by: Jay on July 01, 2004, 11:30:35 PM
I obviously have returned from 110 in the Shade, Dear Readers.

First off, I have several very curious things to report about tonight's performance:

Miss Marin Mazzie did not appear in tonight's performance.

Mr. Jason Danieley did not appear in tonight's performance.

Miss Jessica Burrows and Mr. Stuart Ambrose, who are listed in the program as Miss Mazzie's and Mr. Danieley's understudies, appeared in their place.

No credit (neither in the program insert nor over the P.A. system) was given to the individuals who took the parts usually played by Miss Burrows and Mr. Ambrose, and no swings are listed in the program either.

Both Miss Burrows (whom I have seen before as Musetta in Baz Luhrmann's La Boheme) and Mr. Ambrose gave fine, polished performances.  They both have excellent voices and handled their roles with aplomb.

The quality of the talent in the other small background roles like the ones that Miss Burrows and Mr. Ambrose usually play was nowhere near that of these two.

Do you think Miss Mazzie and Mr. Danieley took this gig as a part time job?

Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jay on July 01, 2004, 11:31:54 PM
She does wash out the jars before storing the coffee in them, I hope!  It could make the difference.

She does.  Thankfully.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jay on July 01, 2004, 11:34:10 PM
Oh no! I've been quoted! I'm trying to figure out what is correct grammatically. What I wrote was wrong - "several day's worth" - that's incorrect. But is it "several days worth"...? Or is it "several days' worth"...?

The quote function on my computer automatically corrects such little quibbles of punctuation.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Panni on July 01, 2004, 11:44:16 PM
Great full moon tonight. I just noticed it shining through the skylight. I might go sit outside for a bit and howl, then to bed to read.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Tomovoz on July 01, 2004, 11:44:46 PM
You should meet the step-mother of Dear Reader Stuart and myself, Dear Reader Panni.  She brews coffee, stores it in the fridge in mayonnaise jars, and then nukes it in the microwave when it is time to be consumed.

This is a process I cannot recommend to others.  I hope your stored and aged oatmeal does better than that coffee.
I guess the topic of the day was indeed horror stories DR Jay. Of course DR Panni - some of us think that oatmeal is a horror story too.
Title: Re:A FERVENT WISH
Post by: Jay on July 01, 2004, 11:49:44 PM
How did you like 110 in the Shade, Jay?

I was getting there.  First I must confess that I have never seen The Rainmaker on stage or screen, and this evening was my very first exposure to 110 in the Shade.

I liked it!  I liked the story, and the manner in which it was told by way of book and score.  The sets, and lighting in particular, were evocative and the ensemble was generally strong.

My favorite moment in the piece is the big scene between Lizzie and Starbuck early in the second act.  The sequence of "Evenin' Star" to "Melisande" to "Simple Little Things" is just breathtaking.  I would put it on a par with the similarly structured "If I Loved You" scene in Carousel.

Perhaps because I was a 110 in the Shade virgin and/or because I don't necessarily look at productions with the keen technical eye that Dear BK does, I do not share with him the quibbles he had about this show.

My only real complaint is with regard to the orchestra and its amplification.  The music sounded tinny and muffled and as if it were produced by artificial sound making appliances rather than real musical instruments.

Beyond that, I believe this show is one of the strongest productions that the Pasadena Playhouse has put on in the years that I have subscribed.