As to the alum association, given the e-mail that was sent with the no vote (it should just have been a no vote - no one asked for a discussion at this time), I'm now thinking that whether we have the majority or not, I may back off and wish them all well, because there are these two or three really negative folks and I don't like negativity and it infects everyone, and it's like at some point you say "why am I bothering." I'll talk to the one person from the board who I would have on my governing board - she'll be back at six and we'll discuss this and make a decision. We do have a majority vote right now, but, for whatever reasons, several people have not voted and I'm not that comfortable with that - I would at least like some vote from everyone who's able.