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Re:THE BUTTERSCOTCH FILES
« Reply #90 on: November 20, 2007, 09:40:28 AM »

As for "The Princess Bride"...  I like the movie, and I guess I even love it.  -Although, I've never been one of those who can quote anything from it - although, I don't really quote anything from any movie.  -And, yes, I even bought the new Anniversary Edition.  In fact, I bought it last night at Virgin since it was on sale for only $10.   In any case...

It's by far from a perfect movie, and I, too, wished for a more "sturdy" leading man other than Cary Elwes.  But it's a movie I associate with friends since the first couple of times I saw the movie, I was with a great group of friends.  And when I was in college, the Byrd Theatre would run it as their midnight movie at least two or three times a year.  Being able to see that movie in a classic movie house, complete with a theatre organ pre-show, and all for just $0.99!, well...  :)
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« Reply #91 on: November 20, 2007, 09:43:15 AM »

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too, wished for a more "sturdy" leading man other than Cary Elwes.

As I said, the fencing duels made it for me. What killed it is the actions of the female lead. Typical male-chauvanistic fairy tale! Her lover is being attacked by the ROUS's, and she just stands there, waiting for the outcome, until someone prevails and she either gets eaten herself or he survives.

I mean, find a branch and whack one of 'em, for goodness sake!
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« Reply #92 on: November 20, 2007, 09:44:45 AM »

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« Reply #93 on: November 20, 2007, 09:53:57 AM »

I think I've definitely caught the same bug as the other members of my family. I'm feeling on the verge of nausea but so far it's only that: a feeling.

I too am not a big fan of THE PRINCESS BRIDE; I had a good time when I saw it, but I don't fwel any connection to it.  I'm very interested in folk and fairy tales, and I almost went for a degree in folklore instead of Latin, but this film doesn't make me want to see it again.

I do like:
  THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD (both Erroll Flynn and the Disney film with Richard Todd)
  THE SEVENTH VOYAGE OF SINBAD
  THE THIEF OF BAGDAD (Korda version)
  ALICE IN WONDERLAND (Disney)
 
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« Reply #94 on: November 20, 2007, 09:54:50 AM »

I'm listening right now to this

Interview with Bryn Terfel
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Re:THE BUTTERSCOTCH FILES
« Reply #95 on: November 20, 2007, 09:55:14 AM »

Some questions on the strike.

1. A few days ago I read an article which said that if a stagehand works for an hour and ten minutes, he must be paid for four hours.

Today at Talkin Broadway I read that if a stagehand works for one day, he's paid for four days.

Which one is true, or are they both false?  

2. Is it true that a "flymaster" earns $160,000 a year, despite the fact that stages don't have flies any more? If so, how does that work? Does each theater have a "flymaster" - descendant of his father before him, or does the union decide who'll be flymaster for each theater?

And what does this person do since he's not pulling flies?

Or is that a total fabrication?

1.  I believe this is true - they are paid in four hour increments, something the league would like to change.

2. More complicated - if I've read correctly, if a crew member is hired for a load-in of a show he must be paid for the entire load in, whether he works three days or the entire load in (which can take two weeks).  However, I'm not sure on this one, so don't take my word for it.

3. Every theater has flies - it's where the lights hang.  However, not every theater uses them for the production (mostly plays).  I have not heard the $160,000 figure, but routinely have heard the League say $150,000 for department heads.  The Union says it's more like 80K, but they are not including all the benefits and overtime, which the League is.
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« Reply #96 on: November 20, 2007, 09:55:41 AM »

Hmm... Now I'm reminded of the sister restaurant of Eatery here in NYC...


To quote the New York Times: "The typography of the word is such that when you turn it upside down, it still spells whym. It’s like a visual, vertical palindrome. How whymsical."
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« Reply #97 on: November 20, 2007, 09:56:53 AM »

As I said, the fencing duels made it for me. What killed it is the actions of the female lead. Typical male-chauvanistic fairy tale! Her lover is being attacked by the ROUS's, and she just stands there, waiting for the outcome, until someone prevails and she either gets eaten herself or he survives.

I mean, find a branch and whack one of 'em, for goodness sake!

I actually yelled that at the TV last night.
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« Reply #98 on: November 20, 2007, 10:03:57 AM »

I do like:
  THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD (both Erroll Flynn and the Disney film with Richard Todd)...
You scared me for a moment there, Elmore!  If you hadn't continued and specified which Disney film, I'd have thought you meant the animated atrocity.

(Alex, the older grandlad, still refuses to watch the Flynn because it portrays Robin as human, instead of a fox.  Which Flynn was, of course, but not the way Alex understand it.)
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« Reply #99 on: November 20, 2007, 10:07:14 AM »

And what does this person do since he's not pulling flies?

Why, he meets DR JoseSPiano at the Reservoir, of course!  ;)
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Re:THE BUTTERSCOTCH FILES
« Reply #100 on: November 20, 2007, 10:08:04 AM »

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I have not heard the $160,000 figure, but routinely have heard the League say $150,000 for department heads.

I didn't bookmark the article at the time, and of course now I can't find it... I was sure that it said that they were paid despite the fact that the position didn't exist any more...  

Is there any such position where that occurs? Maybe I'm just mis-remembering the term flymaster.

Or maybe the article's author was indeed exaggerating on that point.


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« Reply #101 on: November 20, 2007, 10:09:37 AM »

Regarding the strike: many claims have been made on both sides.  I would hate to be the one to try to untangle the truth.
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« Reply #102 on: November 20, 2007, 10:09:51 AM »

DR Edi   ;D

Wonder if Bryn is touring the US?

He does have dates coming up with the Met---Marriage of Figaro. *sigh*

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« Reply #103 on: November 20, 2007, 10:14:54 AM »

Why, he meets DR JoseSPiano at the Reservoir, of course!  ;)

LOL!
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« Reply #104 on: November 20, 2007, 10:15:14 AM »

Interesting that PRINCESS BRIDE only grossed $30.9-million domestically in 1987 (according to boxoffice mojo.com) and has a reputation of having been a great success.  Does anyone know if it was a great financial success outside of the US?
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« Reply #105 on: November 20, 2007, 10:15:43 AM »

Her lover is being attacked by the ROUS's, and she just stands there, waiting for the outcome, until someone prevails and she either gets eaten herself or he survives.

I mean, find a branch and whack one of 'em, for goodness sake!

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« Reply #106 on: November 20, 2007, 10:16:15 AM »

So...has anyone listened to Enchanted yet?  :)
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« Reply #107 on: November 20, 2007, 10:17:00 AM »

Regarding the strike: many claims have been made on both sides.  I would hate to be the one to try to untangle the truth.

Well, it seems to be a fact that stagehands work for 1 hour ten minutes and are paid for 4. That's outrageous! Not even lawyers get that sweet of a deal (I think they round up to the nearest hour, no matter how few seconds of the hour they actually worked.)

I know stagehands were treated terribly in early years and needed a union to get fair treatment... but now it seems that the power has gone over to the unions and there is no fairness for the producers.

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« Reply #108 on: November 20, 2007, 10:17:48 AM »

Princesses do not "whack."

It's Unseemly.
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« Reply #109 on: November 20, 2007, 10:21:08 AM »

Kansas City Trucking Company?
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El Paso Wrecking Crew?
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« Reply #110 on: November 20, 2007, 10:21:27 AM »

Do Princes whack?
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« Reply #112 on: November 20, 2007, 10:25:50 AM »

Do Princes whack?
Oh, yes, they most certainly do; but only on a off day.   :o
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« Reply #113 on: November 20, 2007, 10:27:37 AM »

Hello, everyone!

I am now caught up on the posts through Sunday night. and today is....Tuesday!!  Oooops.

Double oops! Gotta scram!

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« Reply #114 on: November 20, 2007, 10:28:38 AM »

Time to head off for work.

I won't be back until close to eleven tonight.  And der Brucer will want to be fed.

And I have to be up early tomorrow, for an early shift.

Bleh.
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« Reply #115 on: November 20, 2007, 10:33:04 AM »

1.  I believe this is true - they are paid in four hour increments, something the league would like to change.

2. More complicated - if I've read correctly, if a crew member is hired for a load-in of a show he must be paid for the entire load in, whether he works three days or the entire load in (which can take two weeks).  However, I'm not sure on this one, so don't take my word for it.

3. Every theater has flies - it's where the lights hang.  However, not every theater uses them for the production (mostly plays).  I have not heard the $160,000 figure, but routinely have heard the League say $150,000 for department heads.  The Union says it's more like 80K, but they are not including all the benefits and overtime, which the League is.

And...  (ah, A Chorus Line reference)

Most of the unions have "minimum calls" (Actor's Equity, American Federation of Musicians, etc.).  The minimum "show call" for musicians is three hours.  What this means is that whether a show happens to run around 90 minutes or one act (like Xanadu or The Drowsy Chaperone or A Chorus Line, or whether it runs the traditional two acts and almost three hours (like Mary Poppins and Wicked), the musicians are paid the same base pay.  Doublings (playing more than one instrument), assistant and associate conductors designations are based on the base bay.  -However, some "title" designations can be and usually are negotiated (musical director, musical supervisor, etc.).

Some people may say that it's unfair to be paid the same amount of money whether you work for 90 minutes or 150 minutes, well... You have to look at as a "per service" fee, which is essentially what it is.  And over the long haul, it all evens out.  -And I don't even want to think if either side were to start negotiating based on actual running times for each show: What if a show started a few minutes late due to a problem at the box office or a technical issue?  What if the pacing of the show happened to be slower of faster that night thus affecting the running time?  Etc., etc., etc.  Talk about your nickel-and-diming.

For the AFM - and for AEA - if a show were to go into overtime - past three hours - then those overtimes blocks are based on 15 minute segments.  We are not paid for another three-hour call.  I believe that IATSE's overtime increments based on half-hour (30 minute) segments.  *When Les Miserables first opened, it ran about three hours and ten minutes, and the producers and unions had worked out a standard "overtime" arrangement.  Of course, some nights the show would end up running three hours and 16 minutes... Ooops.  Well... That was when they show was overhauled and was cut down to under three hours.  Les Miserables was also the first show I remember where when they said the show would start at 8:00, it started at 8:00! Please take your seats.  Now!

What I've commented about concerns "show call", however, it seems that most of the points of contention between The League and Local One are based on pre-production and rehearsal and preview period.  And all the other Unions also have different scales and agreements for the "before Opening" and "after Opening" periods.

In any case...

The New York Times has some pretty good articles on the strike, and I'd check those articles for the facts and figures - at least the ones the League and Local One are releasing.  There is a ton(!) of fine print in the contracts from both sides.  And a lot of that "fine print" is insurance that people will show up for work each day, and that it will be worth their while to show up for work every day.  Now it's just a matter of seeing which side will "compromise" first, and not see "compromise" as a term for "loser".  And at this point, there can really be no winner.
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« Reply #116 on: November 20, 2007, 10:37:55 AM »

Why, he meets DR JoseSPiano at the Reservoir, of course!  ;)

Umm... No. I don't usually go for techies.

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« Reply #117 on: November 20, 2007, 10:43:15 AM »

I believe I have my head above water for the first time in weeks.  All 75 minutes or so of Project X is recorded!  Whew!  That was a project and a half, delivered a mere few days before opening.  Oy.

TOD:  my favorite fantasy film is Frances, starring Jessica Lange.  ::)
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« Reply #118 on: November 20, 2007, 10:43:49 AM »

Off to direct a senior choir I work with in their final performance of the year.  Pray for Rosemary's Baby, or at least Rosemary's Grandparents.
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« Reply #119 on: November 20, 2007, 10:55:35 AM »

Well, it seems to be a fact that stagehands work for 1 hour ten minutes and are paid for 4. That's outrageous! Not even lawyers get that sweet of a deal (I think they round up to the nearest hour, no matter how few seconds of the hour they actually worked.)

I know stagehands were treated terribly in early years and needed a union to get fair treatment... but now it seems that the power has gone over to the unions and there is no fairness for the producers.



Well... I know some lawyers who are able to bill by the day, so...  Think of it as the retainer fee. ;)

As for getting paid the same whether you work for one hour and ten minutes or the full four hours...  First of all, 10 to 15 minutes breaks are mandated every 60 to 90 minutes, so... ;)

Secondly... And this is where the whole issue of "specialists" comes into play...  During a rehearsal/load-in process nothing ever goes according to schedule.  Nothing.  Some things will take longer than planned for, some things may end up taking a lot less time than planned for.  So, if Specialist A were to show up at 8:00am for his work call, but due to circumstances beyond his control, he was not able to actually do his Specialist A work until 10:30, does that mean he should not be paid for the time he ended up waiting to work?  Should he be penalized since some other departments(s) was not ready for him to do his work?  Subsequently, if Specialist B were to show up at 8:00am and go right to work, and then be done at 9:10am, and then due to the way the rest of the day worked out not have to actively(!) work until the afternoon, does that mean he should be off the clock during that period?

I strongly suspect that if people were paid for only for their "active" time, then no one would really want to work.  It would not be worth their while.  In all lines of work - teaching, office, technical, etc. - there will always be times when one is "not working".  I mean, a baseball player gets paid millions for going up to bat once every three to four innings, so...  -But that's another bag of worms...

It really is a very complicated issue, and there will be no easy solution to all of is.  Let's just hope that some sort of agreement is reached sooner than later so that the ticket buyers - the one who provide the revenue for The League and the payroll for Local One (and AEA, AFM, CSA, SSDC...) can actually see the shows they want to see.
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