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Title: AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 12:05:41 AM
Well, you've read the notes, you know their strange meaning, and now it is time for you to post until the azoolapallol cows come home.
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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 12:19:06 AM
I had an azoolapool time on the sofa -- where I fell asleep. I did not lie earlier when I said I was TIRED. I had no intention of falling asleep - but I Id. ...That's funny. "I Id." I meant to say "I Ego." ...Or perhaps "I did." Woke up in the middle of Charlie Rose. Not the person. The show. Waking up in the middle of the person would have been messy. Anyway, he was interviewing Dustin H. and Lilly Tomlin about "I (Heart) Huckabees". I'm intrigued. Might go see it if I have a minute. Unless it's longer than a minute....
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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 12:20:56 AM
Now I'm all rested and ready to do things. Except it's 12:30 AM.
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Post by: S. Woody White on October 22, 2004, 01:01:23 AM
DVDs: I'm still working my way through the Diana Rigg Avengers.  Sixteen discs is a lot to work through.

And I've got to decide on what CDs to take with us later today as we head over to ladsit.  Because der B and I will be ladsitting his grandlads, and we will all be carving pumpkins.

Frankly, it seems a little early to be carving pumpkins; I'd be worried about their drying out and becoming a potential fire hazard.  However, der B's daughter puts one of those lightsticks, the kind you snap and shake and they last for hours, in each pumpkin.  Since they come in all sorts of colors, the pumpkins can glow with all sorts of colors, too.  Neat idea.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on October 22, 2004, 01:19:15 AM
Well, currently in my DVD is NAKED SPACE aka THE CREATURE WASN'T NICE. The Lovely Wife is currently dancing around the room to I WANT TO EAT YOUR FACE...She's replaying it now.  BK, who is the singing voice of the Creature?  Is't you doing a Vegasy kind of style.  I also like you and Ms. Williams dance routine at the end.  Best line:  "Remember, there's strength in numbers."  "Oh...two...six...eight..."

More DVDs will be some KEEN EDDIE and probably NIGHT OF THE DEMON (British longer versionof CURSE OF THE DEMON)

In the CD player:  Vaughn Monroe:  Essential Gold

The Lovely Wife is playing "I want to eat your face" yet again.  I must go and stop her now and put us both to bed.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on October 22, 2004, 01:20:19 AM
Oh, God, she's got the damned thing almost memorized...I'll be hearing for the next three or four days!
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 03:03:41 AM
LOL.....DRCHARLESPOGUE - i had the same reaction to NAKED SPACE.  I love the musical numbers.  And the song and dance ....  ;D !!

Happy Birthday to our new Message Board!!   :o

In my DVD player:  Les uns et les autres.  I know I promised to watch something else this week, but I keep finding new things in this one.

In my CD player: AIDA original Broadway Cast.

In my VCR: Last night's PBS Broadway episode.  I love seeing excerpts from shows, but I like seeing whole songs and this "history" was interesting to me in part, but I don't know if I am going to buy the set or not.  Still considering....hmmmmmmmm   :D

On the phono:  Soundtrack LP from 'you know what.'

I hope DR JOSE is surviving his 10/12's!!  :P

And now:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MISS ANNETTE JOANNE FUNICELLO GILARDI HOLT!

Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 03:04:29 AM
Don't you love hairstyles that are TOO BIG to get into the picture?
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Post by: Danise on October 22, 2004, 03:40:25 AM
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Happy, Happy,  Happy,  Birthday,  Dear HHW Board!!!!!![/size][/move]

Funny how some things never change....

Strange how many changes we have all been through in this past year!
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 04:41:40 AM
Good morning, all!  I was having dreams about a demented music copyist becoming a bus driver and making my life hell; I'm so glad my alarm went off.

Dear Friend BK and all, best wishes on your anniversary!  I never would have guessed last August, when Liz Callaway told me about Bruce's website, that such a passing reference in a catching-up session would have such a huge resonance on my existence, and that people I may never meet face to face could become such support, colleagues and friends.

This morning I have my medical clearance for next week's "procedure," and then I have to do some work on TAN MANHATTAN for the Chicago Humanities Festival in two weeks.  Yesterday, we had a good meeting with Mr Andre deShields, directing this production/concert, to work Act Two fixes, and I think his ideas for this event are quite wonderful.

After that, the realities of housekeeping and two loads of laundry.  Heigh ho, the glamorous life!

As usual, my media alert is wide open, still waiting decisions on the fly.  The only thing (in)definite is VANITY FAIR part 2 from Netflix, which should have arrived yesterday and didn't.

The only thing constant in my CD player is HAINES HIS WAY, which cheered me no end during July and August:  beyond my fave, "Here You Come Again," there are so many tracks that cheer me up and impress me with Mr Haines' excellent pitch and charming way of turning a phrase, not to mention his bevy of guest stars.
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Post by: beckon on October 22, 2004, 05:20:18 AM
MEDIA CHECK

CD - Bombay Dreams (a guilty pleasure), Broadway Musicals Of 1940

Cassette - From Where I Stand (Studio Cast), Moscow (OC)

VCR - PBS Broadway Musical documentary
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: beckon on October 22, 2004, 05:22:22 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HHW MESSAGE BOARD!

One (singular sensation) year old!
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Post by: Ben on October 22, 2004, 05:27:45 AM
Hoo and Ray, my term of overtime at the office is over. We finished a day early, by The Skin of Our Teeth (a Thornton Wilder reference). I got a call last night around 6pm from my boss saying there was no need to come in at 6am since there was nothing on the shelf. The money was nice but after a while it becomes meaningless.

We have the PBS Broadway special to watch this weekend and nothing else planned. We do have to do some shopping since there is little to eat in the apartment. Oh, to be rich and famous and just wander into the Four Seasons every night for dinner and have them put it on my bill which my accountant would pay!

At work I am listening to an LP to CD transfer of one of my favorite movie musicals, Scrooge, starring Albert Finney. I fell in love with this movie the first time I saw it. I had a cassette copy and the LP of the score. Our very generous friend who allows us to use his equipment, had Anthony over on Wednesday. He burned Oliver (the movie), Scrooge, Mae West's Christmas album (a real hoot for those into such things), a wonderful Sophie Tucker compilation and a record set we have of early Victor Herbert work, mostly operettas and the like.

I look forward to a full weekend of nothing to do. It's almost November and at the end of that month I begin my month-long vacation from work. 20 vacation days sit unused and I must take them or lose them, naturally, I'll take them during the entire month of December. Part of that time will be spent doing the usual volunteering with Broadway Cares making the gift bags for PWAs and the rest of the time will be on Long Island partaking of Christmas and holiday cheer.
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Post by: Kerry on October 22, 2004, 06:12:02 AM
Thank you for the nice reception yesterday.  The tea and cucumber sandwiches were wonderful.   And that cake!  But don't geet me started on cake.

I'm flying to Denver this morning to visit two dear friends--one of whom has lung cancer in the very serious stages.  I can't afford the trip or to take the time from work, but the timimg as far as everything else goes was right, so I'm doing it.  I'd much rather fly up now and see him for real then let it get put off and fly up there to see a box instead.  I don't mean tha as callously as it sounds.

While brushing my teeth thismorning, for some reason I thought of the Beverly Hillbillies episode where they were making a movie and Nancy Kulp as Miss Jane Hathaway was the stand-in for Joi Lansing.  Jethro saw Miss Jane and thought the lights  were so hot that they had melted Joi Lansing.  It made me laugh---which is a great way to start the day.
For those of you who don't know what I just said, have Michael Barnum explain it to you.

Love to you all.   I'm going to see if I time to listen to Diana Dors sing "Rolller Coaster Blues" before I have to fly away.  Geez--- talk about a sexy song--even in this day and age.  I like her version much better than the one by Anita Elllis.   Anyone know if a man ever recorded it?
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Post by: Matthew on October 22, 2004, 06:16:39 AM
Good morning!!!  

Media Check -

CD - Tanz de Vampire (I accidently found this THING at Tower and had to purchase, I kinda wish I hadn't, but it has the late Steve Barton, so that's worth  having)

DVD - nothing
VCR - nothing
iPod - EVERYTHING, hard to narrow these Friday media checks down since the invention of the iPod!!
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Post by: William E. Lurie on October 22, 2004, 06:31:25 AM
BK - I agree with everything you said about "The Stepford Wives" except that instead of getting mad I enjoyed it like all truly so-bad-it's-good  films.  A real golden turkey!

JRand - Any word on how Annette is doing?  I hope they are at least keeping her comfortable.

Media Check:
DVD - The last of the extras on "Broadway: The American Musical"
CD - The 5 CD set of "Broadway: The American Musical"
Book - The companion volume to "Broadway: The American Musical" which covers a lot of what the television series did not have time for.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on October 22, 2004, 06:31:28 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]@ * @ * @  HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO HHW!  @ * @ * @[/move]

Media Check

CD Player (at home):  Donavan's Greatest Hits -- Oh, No!  Must be the season of the witch, yeah!

CD Player (at work):  Nothing.  But I tried to listen to a copy of Brooklyn, The Muscial.  Dreck of the worst kind.  I can't even finish it.

DVD Player:  Nothing yet.  But tonight I'm planning to watch one or two fo the cheapy horror DVD's I picked up at Target for $1.00 each.  I highly doubt that I'll be seeing remastered versions of the films, but you get what you pay for.

VHS:  Also nothing yet.  But last weekend I came across two boxes full of used,  unmarked tapes.  My #1 project this weekend is to go through and see what exactly on these tapes.

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Post by: Dan (the Man) on October 22, 2004, 06:44:16 AM
A very Happy Birthday to Annette Funicello!

Her hair-do is still BIG!  It's the pictures that got small!
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Post by: Stuart on October 22, 2004, 06:55:33 AM
A very happy anniversary to this here board.

Media Check:
Cassette/Car:  A mix tape that I must have made in 1980, for there is no song that was written after that year on it.
Office:  Still listening to AOL Radio.
VCR #1: PBS/Broadway
VCR #2 (sorta kinda figured out how to tape, but only as if one watches the same channel at the same time.):  Survivor/Apprentice for the Dear Partner.
DVD: Empty

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Post by: Noel on October 22, 2004, 06:56:50 AM
Yes. I found the original Star Wars mindless, silly fun, which is all it was ever intended to be.  Would that all the films that followed in its wake kept to that same intention.

My musical Area 51 lampoons sci-fi, so I just looked up a typical "rule" explanation: "We've got to evacuate - The tapioca maker in The Cave has gone ker-flewee!  It's made eighty tons of tapioca and it's coming this way!"

Shades of Sleeper, I know.  But then, that would be another sci-fi film I like.  Or would it?

At long last in my CD player: DR Ben's bits on Broadway for Welsh radio.  Most amusing, and, at this date, already faintly nostalgic.  I enjoyed.
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: Noel on October 22, 2004, 06:59:09 AM
I tried to listen to a copy of Brooklyn, The Muscial.  Dreck of the worst kind.  I can't even finish it.

You're being significantly kinder than the reviews this morning.
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Post by: MBarnum on October 22, 2004, 07:15:27 AM
Ok, Ok, I actually enjoyed the new Stepford Wives! LOL! I thought it was pretty funny...but you know what they say about horse races!  :D

And a big happy anniversary to our new board...I must say that I enjoyed the change...having pictures of us all makes it much cozier and you feel like you really are getting to know everybody!

And a hugh happy birthday to dear Annette F. What a sweetie. I hope she is doing well.
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Post by: MBarnum on October 22, 2004, 07:16:48 AM
Media Check:

CD: Best of Andrea True Connection

VHS: Taped off of TCM this week EASY TO LOVE and BAND WAGON

DVD: Episodes of GREG THE BUNNY; and a 1932 mystery MIDNIGHT WARNING
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Post by: Jennifer on October 22, 2004, 07:22:57 AM
Happy Anniversary to this new board!
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Post by: Stuart on October 22, 2004, 07:24:05 AM

CD: Best of Andrea True Connection


Did she actually have another song beside "More, More, More?"
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Post by: MBarnum on October 22, 2004, 07:31:34 AM
Did she actually have another song beside "More, More, More?"

Well, no other hits! LOL! But it is a fun album...all disco of course and for just $7.98.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on October 22, 2004, 08:14:27 AM
We had a lovely half-day of rain yesterday. Today the skies are sunny and blue.

Happy Anniversary to our swell new message board -- the swellest place on the internet!
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 08:18:11 AM
DR WEL & MBARNUM- Miss Annette's health is rather precarious these days, but she and her family do not discuss it.

She is confined to a wheelchair but she has a great support system in her family and friends.  She talks by telephone to her mother each day - although Virginia usually also stops by daily.

Thoughts and prayers for her are always appreciated - and some of her favorite memories are of her dancing days.  She has said she misses dancing most of all.

Annette fans still send her cards and letters and emails, and she has a foundation that is active in MS Research.   She maintains a positive attitude!

"Why? Because we like you!"  M- O - U - S - eeeeeeee!
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 08:19:18 AM
Ettenna is ANNETTE spelled backwards!
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Post by: MBarnum on October 22, 2004, 09:00:34 AM
I might pop in my DVD of PAJAMA PARTY in honor of Annette's day!
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Post by: Noel on October 22, 2004, 09:14:11 AM
I just coached "I'm Going Back" which is a wonderful song, most of which is in G-flat.

Last weekend, I had a head cold.  And the significance of that is that it was the last ounce of free time DW Joy and I could share until Christmas is upon us.  Since Monday, she's been in rehearsal.  She gets up early, drags a tremendous suitcase on wheels to the rehearsal studio, where they work from 10-7.  Then, she comes home, and goes over what she's learned that day.  In effect, it's a home rehearsal following the away rehearsal-with-others.  This continues tomorrow, and then, early Sunday morning, she's on a plane to the next state in which they're rehearsing.  She has no time to pack, nor any idea what one should pack for the unfamiliar climates in these unfamiliar places over these changable seven weeks.  Invariably, she's fallen asleep prior to eleven.  And Wednesday, I had my advanced song improv class until ten.  So, I hardly get to see her.  And then, come Sunday, I literally won't get to see her.  It's far too expensive for me to travel to where her show is... no cheap airfares, not remotely near a travel hub.

An old friend (who's worked, acting, for two decades) called with an idea for a musical so I now need to research some questions:

What sections of New Jersey might be described as Sopranosland, that is, the places where you might find the Mob?  What sort of music underscores the HBO show?  What sort of music do actual Mafia people listen to nowadays?  I hope it's not rap - I heard that stuff can lead to violent behavior.   ::)
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Post by: Jenny on October 22, 2004, 09:21:44 AM
A very happy first birthday to the new board!

I have been quite errant and truant this past week, and I do apologize.  Up until ten minutes ago (when I figured out the password to get onto blocked websites), I have been unable to access this site from school.  This is a great tragedy, as I spend a good thirteen hours of every day there.  Anyway, I'm glad that sneaky sneaky Jenny has found a way onto lovely lovely HHW.

As for today's TOD, I don't have any new CDs to listen to this weekend.  I currently have "In Trousers", "The Lion King" (I originally typed "The Loin King" - Freudian slip?), the "Follies" jazz CD, and a random CD of Walt Disney World parade ad fireworks music (because I have impeccable taste) in my bag, just waiting for me to put batteries in my CD player and listen to them.  I'll hopefully pick up "Sherry" this weekend and listen to that.  I also believe I shall watch last night's installment of the PBS Broadway documentary this evening because I missed it last night.

I attended a rather frustrating performing arts college fair at Juilliard last night.  Lots of pretty and poised teenage girls fighting their way to all the desirable tables (NYU, Carnegie Mellon, Purchase, etc.), leaving the poor "regect" schools (Adelphi, for example) quite empty.  I spoke to a few admissions and theatre department people from certain schools and I seem to be just where I should be in both the decision/application process and in my experience and training, but I wish that I had spoken to some of the kids there to figure out where I stand in comparisn to them.  Oh well.  

I believe that I will be seeing "Brooklyn" (clearly the best musical on Broadway) tomorrow, which - according to the reviews - should be interesting.  

I've been enjoying the score of "Greenwillow" lately, but I haven't a clew as to what it's about.  Would someone care to enlighten me?
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 09:28:46 AM
PAJAMA PARTY is a great choice MBARNUM...because you get - in addition to Annette - Mr Tommy Kirk and Miss Elsa Lanchester (who I think was mean to MR BK at one time or another).

Or is that something I dreamed?
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Post by: Jennifer on October 22, 2004, 09:29:53 AM
DR Jenny glad to see you back.

DR Noel, what show is DW Joy doing and where?  I'm sorry you won't get to see each other for so long.
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Post by: Jenny on October 22, 2004, 09:32:37 AM
Seeing DR Noel's smiling avatar just reminded me of the fellow playing Bert Jefferson in my production of "The Man Who Came To Dinner".  Somewhere in the second act, he's supposed to say "Noel!" (as in "the first...", not as in "Dear Reader..."), only he pronounces it "Noyl!"  (I've managed to meet somebody more Jewish than I am!) He also has said "Tinny Tim" instead of Tiny Tim and he pronounces "cribbage" so that it rhymes with "collage" (sort of).  It's very sad.

Now I must go to ballet.  We're doing "Amazed In Burning Dreams" for a concert, and it hurts my ankles. ::cries::
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 09:41:37 AM
DRJENNY - why don't they just get some taller girls?
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Post by: MBarnum on October 22, 2004, 09:57:45 AM
The Clinton Street Theater in Portland is showing Russ Meyer's film VIXEN this weekend (and all next week). I might go and see it, haven't decided for sure. Other then BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS I have never seen a Russ Meyer movie.
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Post by: Stuart on October 22, 2004, 10:02:21 AM
I attended a rather frustrating performing arts college fair at Juilliard last night.  Lots of pretty and poised teenage girls fighting their way to all the desirable tables (NYU, Carnegie Mellon, Purchase, etc.), leaving the poor "regect" schools (Adelphi, for example) quite empty.  I spoke to a few admissions and theatre department people from certain schools and I seem to be just where I should be in both the decision/application process and in my experience and training, but I wish that I had spoken to some of the kids there to figure out where I stand in comparisn to them.  Oh well.  

Don't forget about dear ol' SUNY Brockport, DR Jenny!
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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 10:10:19 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BOARD!

I hardly slept last night thinking about a million things I need to do and beating up on myself for not being "conservative" in life. Never have been, never will be, I guess. Have been up for hours talking to various people about transferring various sevices from my old abode to my new abode. I've loaded up my car and will soon shlepp (sp?) some stuff over there. Later today I meet a certain Mr. Mohammed who has come to the mountain to give me a price on some window coverings (there are some very nice ones already there - but quite a few windows are bare nekid).
Next Thursday I fly to Budapest and Rome - and I move a few days after I return -- so I want everything - or as much as possible - to be taken care of before I leave.
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Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 10:11:00 AM
Pogue: Glad you liked a few bits in Naked Space - my horror stories are fairly well documented around these here parts - they mirror some of yours.  Someday, you and Julieanne can come over and see the original cut of the film, which is, I think, much better and contains none of the silly stock footage, with the film footage in the proper order, with its proper title, and with Mr. Broderick Crawford as the voice of Max, the Computer.
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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 10:11:05 AM
Skammen! I meant yesterday to say Welcome Back, DR Kerrry!
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Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 10:11:50 AM
elmore: I passed your comments on to Mr. Haines and he is very happy you enjoy that CD and that it has helped cheer you up.  
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Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 10:13:31 AM
Jenny, you need to bitch-slap that Beverly Carlton from here to eternity and hell and back.  And we'd like a little more information about how rehearsals are going for YOU.  Glad you hacked that stupid computer.
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Post by: George on October 22, 2004, 10:20:28 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BOARD!

....shlepp (sp?)....

First:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HHW AND THANKS TO ALL WHO MAKE H.H.W. WORTH COMING TO!!

Second, Panni, according to the on-line dictionary of my library's catalog, it's "schlep" or/also "shlep"

NOUN:  1.  An arduous journey; 2.  A clumsy or stupid person.

VERB:  schlepped, schlep.ping, schleps; also shlepped, shlep.ping, shleps

TRANSITIVE VERB:  To carry clumsily or with difficulty; lug.

INTRANSITIVE VERB:  To move slowly or laboriously: schlepped all around town looking for wallpaper.

ORIGIN:  Yiddish shleppen to drag < Middle Low German slepen

VARIATIONS:  schlepper (noun)
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on October 22, 2004, 10:26:08 AM
Schlep (the noun) has yet another meaning. "He has schlep" means "pull"; as in "he has connections."
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Post by: Charles Pogue on October 22, 2004, 10:27:38 AM
BK, Broderick Crawford as the voice of Max...Wow!  Now that's funny!  It has the look of something that has been tampered with...

One of the nice things about the rain in LA...aside from a respite of yet another sunny day...is that it really clears everything out.  As I walked Tewkes around the Hills where we live this morning, the air was fresh, the skies pristine; and the entirety of LA laid sprawled out below me, Downtown to the Ocean was clean and dazzling.  As I sit in my office, the canyon shimmers with wonderful cold crystal winter light glittering on a thousand different shades of green and the Hollywood sign hovers above it all, taunting young hopefuls with a glinting white bright beckoning gleam of false glory.
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 10:40:13 AM
A poet's eye ya got thar MR POGUE.
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 11:02:38 AM
There once was a website named Haines
Which made whopping annual gains.
Other websites were green
An unhealthy sheen
Left far back on internet lanes.
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Post by: William F. Orr on October 22, 2004, 11:29:13 AM
VHS Player:  All of the PBS Broadway, time-shifted but only a bit of it watched so far.

CD Player here at work:  The Rink.  And for those of you who agree with me that this is perhaps Kander and Ebb's most brilliant score, I will share with you the parody of the title song which just came spilling out of my brain this morning:

When Dubya took his throne and made his first decree,
Karl Rove and Richard Cheney had his ear.
If Colin Powell suggested some diplomacy,
He said, “My foreign policy is clear:

“I wanna invade Iraq, Iraq!
My Daddy pulled out; I’m goin’ back.
I’m givin’ Saddam Hussein the sack
I wanna invade Iraq!

“The Democrats all are smoking crack,
And all of the experts don’t know jack.
So go to my web site, read the FAQ!
I wanna invade Iraq!”

On 9/11 Dubya was like superman,
Once he had finished reading “My Pet Goat”.
He took Afghanistan and crushed the Taliban,
Then prayed to God, who told him (and I quote):

“I wanna invade Iraq, Iraq!
I haven’t got time to stop and track
Osama bin Laden’s mangy pack.
I wanna invade Iraq!

“The armor our combat troops may lack
Should never delay our swift attack.
Don’t gimme that lib’ral, peacenik flack!
I wanna invade Iraq!”

The occupation isn’t going well today.
It may be many years before it’s through.
But Dubya’s optimistic things will go his way.
He knows exactly what he’s going to do:

“I wanna invade Iran, Iran,
The second phase of my master plan.
The soldiers can keep their desert tan.
I wanna invade Iran.

“I’m doing it why?  Because I can.
Korea is next, and then Sudan.
I’ll prove to my Daddy I’m a man.
I wanna invade Iran.”
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: William F. Orr on October 22, 2004, 11:54:11 AM
DR Elmore:

I knew the good Mr. de Shields a bit when we were both studying at the University of Wisconsin in the 60s and 70s.  André was connected with an amateur theatre company run by director Stuart (Space Truckers and numerous H. P. Lovecraft films) Gordon.  In fact, he played Tiger Lily in Gordon's  production of Peter Pan that received national attention due to its nude scene.

I doubt he will remember me.  Although he did tell me I was an "outa sight dude", and I promised to see him as El Gallo in The Fantasticks but never showed up.

I still retain (in a large box labeled "Poetry") a slim paper volume of André's poems--autographed no less!
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 11:57:34 AM
Oh my DRWEL - HHW is full of poets today.  Poets, limerists, AND lyricists galore!
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 12:13:30 PM

I've been enjoying the score of "Greenwillow" lately, but I haven't a clew as to what it's about.  Would someone care to enlighten me?

DRJenny, I worked for Mrs Jo Loesser on a production of GREENWILLOW in 1998 at the Utah Festival Opera, and I believe its musical approach was for Frank to write a Rodgers & Hammerstein score.  It's based on a novel by B J Chute, about a rural town, somewhere in the world, sometime in the last 200 years, called Greenwillow.  It's a very whmsical book about a town called Greenwillow, primarily about the Briggs family, whose patriarch generationally feels the urge to leave home and wander, leaving the women to run the farm and raise the kids.  Amos Briggs has vanished, leaving his wife and mother to run the farm, and his eldest son Gideon loves Dory, but won't commit because he doesn't want to abandon her.  Amos returns briefly, filled with tales of the East and wondrous things he's seen, but wanders away again and is later reported dead. Dory is a young orphan raised by two old maid sisters, and she's the epitme of domesticity.  Gideon at the end, through the influence of the good minister, realizes his call to wander is to stay in Greenwillow and marry Dory.  It's a very sweet, flimsy novel, but the musical was fantastic in Utah:  I wept through the tech rehearsals and the first 3 performances before coming back to New York.  Somewhere I have a tape of the Utah Public Radio broadcast.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on October 22, 2004, 12:16:54 PM
NEVER WILL I MARRY from GREENWILLOW (originally sung by Tony Perkins and probably still my favourite version) is one of my favourite songs of all time.
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Post by: William E. Lurie on October 22, 2004, 12:18:51 PM
For those of you who didn't know, GREENWILLOW is being presented by the York Theatre this weekend as the third in the Fall Musicals in Mufti series.  I'm seeing it tomorrow and will post my comments.  There is a full plot summary with the CD, although it was well covered in Elmore's post.
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 12:20:06 PM
Mr. Perkins version of that lovely song becomes even more lovely and poignant as time and circumstances go by.
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 12:24:26 PM

I knew the good Mr. de Shields a bit when we were both studying at the University of Wisconsin in the 60s and 70s.  André was connected with an amateur theatre company run by director Stuart (Space Truckers and numerous H. P. Lovecraft films) Gordon.  In fact, he played Tiger Lily in Gordon's  production of Peter Pan that received national attention due to its nude scene.


DRWFOrr, you are the first person I've met connected with that legendary PETER PAN!   It was all the buzz in college theatres in 1969, 1970?  I am honored.  I can't wait to ask Andre about it.  No wonder he was ready for THE FULL MONTY!

DR WEL, great lyric! ;D :o :-*
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 12:27:39 PM
.  It's based on a novel by B J Chute, about a rural town, somewhere in the world, sometime in the last 200 years, called Greenwillow.  It's a very whmsical book about a town called Greenwillow,

I hate people who are redundant and I'm one of them!
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Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 12:31:12 PM
Getting a very slow start to my day.  I'll have to play catch up or, at the very least, ketchup, this afternoon.
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 12:35:19 PM
Indiana State Department of Redundancy Department, may I help you?
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 12:35:41 PM
Why not enjoy a slow day, MRBK?
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 12:43:35 PM
Indiana State Department of Redundancy Department, may I help you?

In my case, DRJRand54, only God can make a tree.

I've been having heavy thoughts about my Mother, who died in 1994, this week, so I've been listening a lot to Marianne Faithfull and Dr Hook and the Medecine Show sing "The Ballad of Lucy Jordan."  I knew Shel Silverstein a bit before he died, and I wish I'd known that he was the author of the song.  So far, the neighbors aren't complaining.

This song and the character of Sally Durant Plummer on FOLLIES are the closest portraits of my Mother and her madness and unhappiness.  This may explain a lot about me as well, but I prefer to not go there.
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Post by: Matt H. on October 22, 2004, 12:43:41 PM
I had my first NUNCRACKERS rehearsal this morning. A good group of ladies (the kids don't come in for two weeks), and we're going to have a great time. Looking forward to working on this.
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Post by: William F. Orr on October 22, 2004, 12:45:09 PM
DRWFOrr, you are the first person I've met connected with that legendary PETER PAN!   It was all the buzz in college theatres in 1969, 1970?  I am honored.  I can't wait to ask Andre about it.  No wonder he was ready for THE FULL MONTY!

DR WEL, great lyric! ;D :o :-*

Actually, André didn't do the nude scene.  He did, however, play Hud in the Chicago company of Hair, so I guess that served as his Full Monty prep.
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 12:45:43 PM
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GOTTA DANCE!  PAGE 3!! DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!

 :o ::) :P :-* :-* ::) ::) :o ;D :-* :-*
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 12:47:12 PM
Actually, André didn't do the nude scene.  He did, however, play Hud in the Chicago company of Hair, so I guess that served as his Full Monty prep.

Well, DRWFOrr, besides the mermaids, who else was nude?  I'm still flattered to know you.
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 12:47:28 PM
DRELMORE perhaps you should watch a movie starring Miss Doris Day....she is always good for a mood alteration.
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Post by: Matt H. on October 22, 2004, 12:47:44 PM
I also think GREENWILLOW's score is one of the greats: magical from beginning to end. Like so many cast albums from bomb shows, you hear it and wonder how it could ever have been a flop.
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 12:47:57 PM
Ques esta "fattered"?
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 12:48:40 PM
DRELMORE perhaps you should watch a movie starring Miss Doris Day....she is always good for a mood alteration.

Doris was rumored to play Sally in the aborted film of FOLLIES.  She would have been fantastic.
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Post by: Matt H. on October 22, 2004, 12:50:25 PM
Friday media check:

CD - DIVAS OF BROADWAY

DVD - DAMN YANKEES

DVR - last Wednesday's LOST
          last night's WILL & GRACE

I got Ethan Mordden's latest book but with my needing to start learning my lines in NUNCRACKERS, I don't know if I will get any of it read like I'd like. I probably will since there is NOTHING on TV tonight apart from ENTERPRISE which I would like to see in high definition.
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Post by: Matt H. on October 22, 2004, 12:51:59 PM
Doris was rumored to play Sally in the aborted film of FOLLIES.  She would have been fantastic.

I agree. Perfect casting, and her skills as a dramatic actress, largely untapped during her years as a top star, would have given an extra dimension to those gorgeous songs Sally has. I can just close my eyes and hear Doris singing "In Buddy's Eyes" and "Losing My Mind."
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 12:52:21 PM
I also think GREENWILLOW's score is one of the greats: magical from beginning to end. Like so many cast albums from bomb shows, you hear it and wonder how it could ever have been a flop.

DRMattH, look at those ugly costumes and peculiar scenery from the original.  Alvin Colt's whimsy isn't my view of GREENWILLOW couture.  The original show has a lot of book problems and strayed too far from the novel at times, but that score is fantastic, from the 5/4 and 7/4 opening number to the Finale.  One of the original show's major problems:  Amos Briggs can't sing "The Music of Home."  He never hears it.
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 12:52:57 PM
Ques esta "fattered"?

I knew someone would see it before I corrected it!  I'm fat enough.
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 12:53:46 PM
OMG - Doris as Sally....I am sighing and crying as I type.  Oh my.

LOL...aren't we all?  Remember what the Duchess of Windsor always said....
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Post by: Jennifer on October 22, 2004, 12:55:54 PM
Can anyone tell me what "siztprobe" means in terms of theatre.
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Post by: William F. Orr on October 22, 2004, 12:56:37 PM
"Never Will I Marry", yes!  But "Summertime Love" ain't chopped liver neither.

When I was in college, there were various lines from cast albums (always booming down the hallways of the dorm) that became, for mysterious reasons, part of everyone's vocabulary.

From Greenwillow"  "Baptizing a calf?  Bless your dear little Christian hearts."

From What Makes Sammy Run?  "Doctor, there are some things man was not meant to tamper with."

And since we were all taking physics from Richard P. Feynman, "Mr. Feinman here handles all the headaches."
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Post by: George on October 22, 2004, 12:56:57 PM
I love the Rink parady lyrics, WFO!  And I love, Love, LOVE Liz Callaway's version of "Never Will I Marry" from her first solo CD...produced by our very own BK!
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Post by: William F. Orr on October 22, 2004, 12:58:38 PM
Can anyone tell me what "siztprobe" means in terms of theatre.

No idea.  But it sounds decidedly naughty.
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 01:00:05 PM
 Remember what the Duchess of Windsor always said....

I can't believe I ate the whole thing?
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 01:02:20 PM
Can anyone tell me what "siztprobe" means in terms of theatre.

DRJennifer, it's from German opera rehearsals, I believe.  It's basically the cast rehearsal, non blocked, with the orchestra.  Traditionally, the cast sitz, and the orchestra plays the score, to which they sing.
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Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 01:02:28 PM
Jennifer: Sitzprobe is the first orchestra rehearsal for a musical, where the band goes through the entire score for the first time.  

In writing my book, I asked specifically if I should use that term and was told "no" by well-known conductor Don Pippin, who said that term was never used back in 1969, when such things were simply called the orchestra read-through.  So, when did sitzprobe come into fashion in terms of musical theater.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on October 22, 2004, 01:13:01 PM
Hello, all. I am busy making a huge salad for a funeral dinner tonight. The family just contacted me a couple of hours ago to prepare a slide presentation for the service.

TOD: Car cd player: nothing
House cd player: nothing
dvd/vcr: nothing
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 01:24:28 PM
Something else I learned thanks to HHW!

Well she may have said THAT as well DRELMORE - but she also said that one could never be "too rich or too thin."

DRLAURA - if you know someone who can do sign language....it is always lovely to have a signed rendition of a hymn such as AMAZING GRACE - it is a unique and special remembrance.
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 01:25:18 PM
Oh you said a funeral DINNER....nevermind.

Sitzprobe had me all agog!
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Post by: Matt H. on October 22, 2004, 01:26:01 PM
Jennifer: Sitzprobe is the first orchestra rehearsal for a musical, where the band goes through the entire score for the first time.  

In writing my book, I asked specifically if I should use that term and was told "no" by well-known conductor Don Pippin, who said that term was never used back in 1969, when such things were simply called the orchestra read-through.  So, when did sitzprobe come into fashion in terms of musical theater.

The first time I ever heard it was doing SHENANDOAH where the cast sat and sang with the orchestra for the first time (up until then, we had had only a rehearsal pianist). This was 1982.
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 01:33:46 PM
My first memory of the word sitzprobe was 1972, when I was in a production of Menotti's HELP! HELP! THE GLOBOLINKS!  I think it's been a term in opera lingo for many years.
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 01:34:31 PM
.

Sitzprobe had me all agog!

Not agape? Not aghast?
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Post by: Stuart on October 22, 2004, 01:36:44 PM
Well she may have said THAT as well DRELMORE - but she also said that one could never be "too rich or too thin."

Are you sure that wasn't said by, no pun intended, Slim Keith?  For some reason, I associate her with that phrase

(As for Mrs. Simpson, I believe she was also known for saying...nay, shrieking..."I said 'Do you wanna date?,' not 'Abdicate!'")
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 01:40:41 PM
Are you sure that wasn't said by, no pun intended, Slim Keith?  For some reason, I associate her with that phrase

(As for Mrs. Simpson, I believe she was also known for saying...nay, shrieking..."I said 'Do you wanna date?,' not 'Abdicate!'")

DRStuart, LOL! ;D
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Post by: Stuart on October 22, 2004, 01:44:19 PM
Are you sure that wasn't said by, no pun intended, Slim Keith?  For some reason, I associate her with that phrase

(As for Mrs. Simpson, I believe she was also known for saying...nay, shrieking..."I said 'Do you wanna date?,' not 'Abdicate!'")

In the immortal words of Miss Emily Litella, "Never mind!;"  I just googled the phrase, and I stand (or rather sit) corrected.  It was indeed Mrs. Simpson.

Just think how different the current House of Windsor would be (and would have been) had she not married Edward.  We probably would never have heard of Diana, Princess of Wales, nor Mrs. Parker-Bowles.  And there may have never been an "Annus Horribilus."
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Post by: George on October 22, 2004, 01:51:16 PM
Did anyone know that today is Curly Howard's Birthday?  He'd be 101 years old, if he were still alive. :)
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Post by: George on October 22, 2004, 01:52:17 PM
And WFO, I corrected my earlier post about the Rink parady lyrics.  Mea culpa...a Judge Turpin reference!
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Post by: Jennifer on October 22, 2004, 02:00:51 PM
Jennifer: Sitzprobe is the first orchestra rehearsal for a musical, where the band goes through the entire score for the first time.  

In writing my book, I asked specifically if I should use that term and was told "no" by well-known conductor Don Pippin, who said that term was never used back in 1969, when such things were simply called the orchestra read-through.  So, when did sitzprobe come into fashion in terms of musical theater.

Thanks DR Elmore and BK.

I have no idea how often this term is used now.  The first time I heard it was yesterday when someone told me their musical was having one today.  Only problem is I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK IT MEANT. :)
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Post by: sanjosegirl on October 22, 2004, 02:06:02 PM
Hello Everyone,

I'm new to this board.  I admit, I've lurked a few times but I thought I might as well say hello.  Mr. BK referred me to this board.  We used to work together at Triage Entertainment, where he coerced me into dubbing some Partridge Fam episodes to DVD for him.

As far as what is in my VCR, I too taped the PBS docu about Broadway last night.  Fun for all.

I was wondering what all of you theatre buffs in group think of this news that Dreamworks is planning a Broadway musical adaptation of Shrek?  They've brought the Avenue Q director on board quite early in the game...okay fine.  Yet it sounds like a big BAD idea to me.  Are Hollywood execs really so desperate to get their hands in the honeypot of theatre??

See this article for more detail:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/15/theater/newsandfeatures/15shre.html


Nice to meet you all.  And hello, Mr. Kimmel!

KS (sanjosegirl)

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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 02:06:10 PM
Thanks DR Elmore and BK.

I have no idea how often this term is used now.  The first time I heard it was yesterday when someone told me their musical was having one today.  Only problem is I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK IT MEANT. :)

DRJennifer, maybe they didn't know the meaning either.
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 02:09:23 PM
I was wondering what all of you theatre buffs in group think of this news that Dreamworks is planning a Broadway musical adaptation of Shrek?  They've brought the Avenue Q director on board quite early in the game...okay fine.  Yet it sounds like a big BAD idea to me.  Are Hollywood execs really so desperate to get their hands in the honeypot of theatre??

Welcome, DRSanjosegirl!  Our opinions, and sometimes our tongues, are sharp, but there's not a bad soul on this board.  Enjoy the madness and know we  care.

DRStuart, re the Duchess becoming the Queen:  we currently have the anus horribilis as our leader.

And I forgot to mention a musicalization of SHREK!  I remember when children came to New York with their families and saw musicals geared to intelligent theatre goers, and now Broadway's turning into a bad theme park.
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Post by: George on October 22, 2004, 02:15:11 PM
DRStuart, re the Duchess becoming the Queen:  we currently have the anus horribilis as our leader.

ROTFLMAO!!
;D ;D
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Post by: George on October 22, 2004, 02:15:44 PM
And Welcome, D.R. (Dear Reader) KS (sanjosegirl)!!
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Post by: Tomovoz on October 22, 2004, 02:48:50 PM
An OZ welcome to SanJoseGirl.

Too true DR Elmore - a family of caring souls here.

ShreK!!! No No No.  I"m still trying to recover from the "The Lion King" - emotionless theatre. It made "B & the B" look like a classic.

Still we have "Eureka - The Musical" here in Melbourne.  The colonies attempt at a "Les Mis".

Then I lived though "The Beautiful Game' and half of "Woman in White"
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 03:04:06 PM

Still we have "Eureka - The Musical" here in Melbourne.  The colonies attempt at a "Les Mis".


DRTomovoz, what is "Eureka?"  Someone should do a musical on THE PLAYMAKER, about the first theatrical presentation in Australia.  The novel is far superior to the current play adaptation, OUR COUNTRY'S GOOD.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on October 22, 2004, 03:08:42 PM
DR Elmore3003:  "Eureka" is the state motto of California.  It means "I have found it!"

:D
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on October 22, 2004, 03:12:14 PM
From a "Google" hunt:

http://www.glimmerglass.org/insights/diary/wk4/sitzprobe.html
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Post by: Tomovoz on October 22, 2004, 03:17:12 PM
"Eureka" was used for the name of a Gold Mine in Ballarat Victoria. The Eureka Rebellion was the birth of democracy and representative government in Australia.
(1850). It was the time of Lola Montez.

As RLP. says "I've Found It".  Was it it Archimides with "the displacment of water" who gave the cry? It's all Greek to me.

I hope the musical is recorded so that I can share its joys with the world. Of course I have not seen the musical so I am commenting from hearsay only.  It might be wonderful. !!!!!!
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Post by: Jenny on October 22, 2004, 03:28:27 PM
Thank you for the "Greenwillow" synopsis DRElmore.  The friend who lent me the recording did not think to offer the booklet that contains the synopsis.  ::)  Thank you for enlightening me!  

I taught a physical acting workshop at school this afternoon, and it did not go well.  The kids did try (mostly "Man Who Came To Dinner" cast members and a few others), but they were embarrassed far too easily.  I suppose that I probably expected a bit too much, but I am disappointed that the few serious and dedicated actors who came didn't really give the exercises a chance.  Oh well.

To answer my most dear BK, rehearsals for "The Man Who Came To Dinner" are not going particularly well.  It's difficult to have any idea how the show might go when we're still on book, we have no set, no costumes, no wheel chair (and it is difficult to rehearse without it), and more than half the cast missing each rehearsal.  I've yet to meet the fellow playing Mr. Stanley!  That's not good.  I'm sure that the play will be fine, but I'm working very hard and at this point, little is coming of it.  It's all very frustrating.

A hearty HHW welcome to Dear Reader SanJoseGirl!
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Post by: George on October 22, 2004, 03:29:01 PM
In my CD player at work:  Secrets Every Smart Traveler Should Know.  I bought this several years ago and haven't listened to it since then.  I don't know why!  It's quite delightful. :D

In my VCR:  nothing.  I didn't tape (but I watched part of) last night's PBS Broadway show.  I'll get the DVD and see it all.  I also watched "The Apprentice."  I like that show.  It's real (I guess). ::)

In my DVD player:  the "Star Wars" trilogy, "Ellen" the first season, and a couple of other movies that I haven't had time to watch.  This weekend is the FIRST weekend in quite a while where I have NOTHING to do!!  I plan to veg (vedge?) in front of my TV and do nothing but watch stuff.

In my laserdisc player:  "Bells Are Ringing," "The Kids from FAME:  Live in Concert at the Royal Albert Hall" (I've got the album!...an Oh, Brother! reference) and "A Life in the Theater (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107412/)" with Jack Lemmon and Matthew Broderick.  I bought these in Seattle this past weekend and I want to watch them all!  I also have the laserdisc to "Sarafina" with Whoopie Goldberg.  I said that I'd tape it for someone that I know, so that's in the hopper, as well.
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Post by: Jennifer on October 22, 2004, 03:45:17 PM
Quote from: Jennifer on Today at 02:00:51pm
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Thanks DR Elmore and BK.

I have no idea how often this term is used now.  The first time I heard it was yesterday when someone told me their musical was having one today.  Only problem is I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK IT MEANT.
 
 

DRJennifer, maybe they didn't know the meaning either.

I'm pretty sure they did.  From what you described, I'm quite certain that is what they meant!
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Post by: Jennifer on October 22, 2004, 03:52:50 PM
Re: making Shrek into a musical.

Well I haven't seen Shrek 1, but I did sit through Shrek 2 with a bunch of kids.  And I must say I was pleasantly surprised. I liked it.

I have hope for Shrek the musical.  If it's done right, I think it could be wonderful.  There aren't that many shows that kids can be taken to see.  Plus they all love Shrek.

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Post by: Jennifer on October 22, 2004, 03:57:44 PM
Re: last night's Apprentice.

Is anyone else slightly annoyed with Trump's firings this season?  He is all over the place.  So far I don't think he's fired one person who has FAILED AT THE TASK AT HAND.  I don't get it.

He gets irritated by people, and then fires them even when they are not responsible for losing.

He gets mad at Bradford one week for giving up his exemption.  The guy was brilliant at his task, and others might have been impressed with his confidence. But not Trump.

Then he blames Pamela for not delegating the pricing.  Then the next week, he blames the guy John FOR delegating the pricing.

Then this week he decides that Stacy talks too much and didn't sell her idea.  She had a great idea (taking polaroids of the dogs dressed up in outfits).  Wes (the leader) was too pig-headed to listen.  And it's her fault???

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Post by: Jane on October 22, 2004, 04:02:29 PM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ALL ON THIS WONDERFUL BOARD!
 :D
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 04:02:37 PM

Then this week he decides that Stacy talks too much and didn't sell her idea.  She had a great idea (taking polaroids of the dogs dressed up in outfits).  Wes (the leader) was too pig-headed to listen.  And it's her fault???

DRJennifer, I thought Stacey should have been fired as soon as Stacey J went.  Stacey has been a whiner since the first week, and I got nothing but negative energy off her.  Stacey J, the black woman, seemed to me to feel superior to and hostile at all the other ladies.
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 04:03:22 PM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ALL ON THIS WONDERFUL BOARD!
 :D


Nurse Jane, where have you been all day?
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Post by: Jane on October 22, 2004, 04:04:03 PM

I am having a super busy day and must be brief.


May Annette have a good day. :D

Panni, good vibes getting everything done before your trip.

Jenny maybe it is best you don’t know much about your competition. ;D
Good "The Man Who Came To Dinner" vibes.

WELCOME SANJOSE GIRL!!  Nice to meet you too.
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Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 04:07:48 PM
A big welcome to the delightful new dear reader KS (sanjosegirl).  She was at Triage when I did the horrid Tricks of the Trade show and the whatever-it-was Cowboy U.  Needless to say, they are lesser for us not being there or, since we are musical theater mavens, they are loesser for us not being there.  KS has done musicals so she should fit right in here in our lunatic asylum.  As to Shrek - it rhymes with dreck.

Dearest dear reader Jenny: Keep your spirits high and keep working hard.  All you can do is what you can do and do it the best you can.  If others don't have your focus or desire that is their problem and you mustn't let it ruin the experience for you.  Of course, you have to play off who you have to play off, but just be strong and I'm sure you will be delightful.
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Post by: Matthew on October 22, 2004, 04:08:13 PM
Welcome SanJoseGirl, another SF Bay Area person here at HHW, I think we're up to 3 now!
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 04:13:40 PM

 There aren't that many shows that kids can be taken to see.  Plus they all love Shrek.


Well, in the good old days, if I were coming to New York with my parents, I'd have wanted to see, between 1956 and 1964, these shows, not a "kids" show at all:
CANDIDE
MY FAIR LADY
LI'L ABNER
BELLS ARE RINGING
FLOWER DRUM SONG
THE MUSIC MAN
THE SOUND OF MUSIC
CARNIVAL
BYE BYE BIRDIE
CAMELOT
HELLO DOLLY
BAKER STREET
SHE LOVES ME
FIORELLO
OLIVER!
FUNNY GIRL
GYPSY (I saw the film in high school)

The shows I was probably too young to see might include these (even though today I'd kill to have seen them):
THREEPENNY OPERA
IRMA LA DOUCE
A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM(?)

These Disney adaptations of cartoons are an insult to how great Broadway once was, and I fear SHREK may one more example of the dumbing down of Broadway.  Looking at PBS in 1977 and today, it's a definite dumbing down because the people running it are Gen-Xers who think classical music is that crap Sarah Brightman sings when she's not torturing an aria.
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Post by: Tomovoz on October 22, 2004, 04:41:56 PM
Well said DR Elmore.

When Iwas a youngster my theatrical experiences were "Kismet" and "The Pyjama (whoops Pajama) Game". I fell in love with musical theare then. I didn't need cartoons on stage. We also were lucky to have the British pantomime tradition alive and well in those days: - always written on a few levels so that children of various ages and adults too could enjoy the fun.

If you look at what is playing in the West End these days, it is not only Broadway that has dumbed down: Queen, Rod Stewart, Abba and Presley songs tailored into musicals.  Very sad.

At least "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" and "Mary Poppins" were written well enough to be adapted for the stage for the enjoyment of adults and children. "Chitty Chitty" borrows from the pantomime tradition of audience involvement - the Childcatcher is a delightful villain who is booed by the punters.

Now what was the point I was trying to make?
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Post by: François de Paris on October 22, 2004, 04:45:26 PM
Re: last night's Apprentice.

Is anyone else slightly annoyed with Trump's firings this season?  He is all over the place.  



Should I tell you my opinion?
No?
I'll tell it anyway! :D

They should FIRE Trump!
I'm so glad we don't have that crap yet here in France... besides... I don't have a Tv set! Good grief!

A "show" where people get fired... fires me up... and is not my style of entertainment!
Like DR Jane.... I like things to be positive! ;D

So, I say FIRE TRUMP!
And I'm sick of seeing pics of his exwife -- and her gigolo boyfriends -- attending some jet set thing on mags here! She must be living in Monte Carlo, I believe!
Can't she go back to the US!

We have our share of old bimbos here! Thank you very much!
FIRE Ivana TRUMP!

"There Wont Be Trumpets!".........
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 04:56:42 PM
Kids don't have to be taken to "kids" shows to be introduced to musical theater at an early age, nor should they be.

I took my VERY young daughter to see Hello, Dolly!, A Chorus Line, Annie (not exactly a kid's show in its original incarnation), Dreamgirls, Pippin (her favorite), and many others, and she loved every one of them.  It was thrilling for her.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on October 22, 2004, 04:57:42 PM
The part of the six-hour PBS show on Broadway Musicals that was the least interesting and most revealing was the last hour where they got into the Lloyd Webber-Disneyification of Broadway. After having listen to the delicious songs of Rodgers and Hart and Hammerstein and Porter and Berlin and Loesser and Kern culminating with Sondheim, the decline of the Broadway musical from sophisticated and smart and even dangerous and deep into safe, shallow, mediocre, middle-brow pap was never more apparent.

Elmore, I have pretty much stopped contributing PBS because of 1) they run commercials without calling them commercials anymore, and 2) the fare has gotten be pretty abysmal.  And even when they do have something remarkable, they usually save it for pledge week where it's continually broken up and you end up seeing a two-piece in three hours.

SHREK & SHREK II were fine, funny movies.  But they're cartoons.  They're movies.  They don't belong on Broadway.  I'm so bored with Broadway cannibalizing movies...SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER?  FOOTLOOSE?  I liked them as movies well enough.  I don't want to see them on the Broadway stage.

But Broadway has fallen victim to the corporate mindset and profit margin...just like everything else.  People may have hated Merrick, but at least he was a showman.  Not a corporate suit.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on October 22, 2004, 05:03:32 PM
I don't remember what grade it was, but I remember a school outing to see OLIVER.  It was mesmerizing!
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Post by: Charles Pogue on October 22, 2004, 05:06:07 PM
Who cares who Trump is firing?  Speaking of cartoons!  It's a TV show!  Not real life!  Nothing could have less importance!  
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Post by: François de Paris on October 22, 2004, 05:12:42 PM
I won't let you "trash" --  quite unfair! -- the score for Beauty and the Beast, which is a Broadway show adapted to the animated film medium!
So it made sense that it was adapted to the stage!

I haven't seen any of those Disney Broadway shows so I don't have an opinion... At least, you were lucky enough to be given a chance of disliking them!

Now, don't ask me why, I hate The Lion King but don't call Beauty a ... cartoon, s'il vous plaît! It deserves better... It has soul, it has heart! AND the music and songs are terrific!

Merci!
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Post by: George on October 22, 2004, 05:14:52 PM
Who cares who Trump is firing?  Speaking of cartoons!  It's a TV show!  Not real life!  Nothing could have less importance!

To the person who actually wins, it's real.  "The Apprentice" isn't just a contest with a grand prize of a lump of money.  Whoever wins actually gets a real job within the Trump organization...and even after that, they still have to perform well enough in it to keep the job.  Granted, the "tasks" on the show are quite superficial and have absolutely nothing to do with the actual job that the winner will get, but the final prize is a real job.  It's not like all the other "reality" shows where they get money and artificial celebrity status because they "won."  Just my 2¢.
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Post by: François de Paris on October 22, 2004, 05:16:11 PM
Who cares who Trump is firing?  Speaking of cartoons!  It's a TV show!  Not real life!  Nothing could have less importance!  

All right! Even though most viewers won't look at this that way!
Not real life but an example of what today's world enjoys for entertainment! It's relevant of a certain mentality, imho!
NOT inoccuous!
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Post by: George on October 22, 2004, 05:17:28 PM
François, you are quite right!  Disney's Beauty and the Beast is much, much, much (that's three muches) better than Disney's The Lion King.  B&TB was written by people who came from the theater.  They knew (and still know) what makes good theater.

Just listen to Menken's score for to the German production of The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  In my humble opinion (IMHO in Internet lingo) the score is wonderful...and I don't even understand any of what they're singing (since it's in German).
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Post by: Emily on October 22, 2004, 05:24:06 PM
Happy Anniversary HHW!!!

Welcome SanJoseGirl!!!

I just ate a pound and a half of broccoli.  Because sometimes you just need the green stuff.  

It was yummy at the time but now I feel ugh.  
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Post by: François de Paris on October 22, 2004, 05:26:26 PM
François, you are quite right!  Disney's Beauty and the Beast is much, much, much (that's three muches) better than Disney's The Lion King.  B&TB was written by people who came from the theater.  They knew (and still know) what makes good theater.

Just listen to Menken's score for to the German production of The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  In my humble opinion (IMHO in Internet lingo) the score is wonderful...and I don't even understand any of what they're singing (since it's in German).

Thank you, George!

For a moment, and not a brief shining moment -- or is it shiny???!!! -- I thought I was losing the "battle"!
All in good clean fun!! :D
All is fair in love! (What am I talking about?).
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 05:29:47 PM
Beauty and the Beast is an interesting case, because obviously Mr. Menken and Mr. Ashman are theatrical and it is structured like a musical to begin with.  So, all they had to do was add three or four new numbers and make it a full-length score.  Where the show fails for me is in its mechanics - all the computers and the singers in some room somewhere and the hideous sound design where it seems you never hear a real sound coming from anyone - if they'd just let the material speak it really would have been better.  That's where the Disney effect has been most harmful.  Obviously, they got Julie Taymor, a not uninteresting director, to do the Lion King, but, aside from some of her clever visuals, she simply didn't have the smarts to know how to make it a moving or cohesive evening of theater.  I don't even like the cartoon, but the fact is the cartoon did not start off as a musical - same with Shrek.  Aida is something I couldn't even force myself to see after hearing that horrendous score.
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Post by: td on October 22, 2004, 05:33:19 PM
Count me in on AIDA-hating.   ;D
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 05:34:39 PM
I have problems with the mythical side of BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, which the film screwed up and transferred to the Broadway production, much as I was troubled by the Disney happy ending to THE LITTLE MERMAID, which is not the ending of Andersen's story.  The mermaid dies, simply because the Little Mermaid's tale is that of a fish out of water.

In LA BELLE ET LA BETE by Mme Leprince de Beaumont, a retelling of the same story by de Villeneuve and greatly indebted to Apuleius' tale of Cupid and Psyche, the theme is about coming to love someone, and when you love, they become beautiful in your eyes.  Disney places the emphasis frm the beginning on the Prince's transformation to the Beast so the story becomes a how-do-we-change-him-and-us-back involving all that moronic dancing furniture and a Frankenstein-like storming of the castle over the mythic story of a young woman learning that the ogre is the handsomest man in the world because she loves him.  Disney blew it, in my book, but Cocteau got it right.
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Post by: TCB on October 22, 2004, 05:38:08 PM
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY, NEW SITE!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR ANNETTE (and THANK YOU)!
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TOD:

Sorry to be so unoriginal.

CD Player (Car) -- SCROOGE, THE MUSICAL
CD Player (Home) -- SCROOGE, THE MUSICAL
CD Player (computer) -- SCROOGE, THE MUSICAL
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 05:39:36 PM
There's only one AIDA in my book and Verdi wrote in many years ago.  I used to cringe looking at MY DARLIN' AIDA, set in the Civil War, in Theatre Arts Magazine.  For the record, though, the Amneris role was played by Dorothy Sarnoff, the original Lady Thiang, and the Radames by William Olvis, the original Governor in the 1956 CANDIDE.
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 05:40:38 PM

TOD:

Sorry to be so unoriginal.

CD Player (Car) -- SCROOGE, THE MUSICAL
CD Player (Home) -- SCROOGE, THE MUSICAL
CD Player (computer) -- SCROOGE, THE MUSICAL

Is this the London cast or the soundtrack?
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: François de Paris on October 22, 2004, 05:40:46 PM
Beauty and the Beast is an interesting case, because obviously Mr. Menken and Mr. Ashman are theatrical and it is structured like a musical to begin with.  So, all they had to do was add three or four new numbers and make it a full-length score.  Where the show fails for me is in its mechanics - all the computers and the singers in some room somewhere and the hideous sound design where it seems you never hear a real sound coming from anyone - if they'd just let the material speak it really would have been better.  That's where the Disney effect has been most harmful.  Obviously, they got Julie Taymor, a not uninteresting director, to do the Lion King, but, aside from some of her clever visuals, she simply didn't have the smarts to know how to make it a moving or cohesive evening of theater.  I don't even like the cartoon, but the fact is the cartoon did not start off as a musical - same with Shrek.  Aida is something I couldn't even force myself to see after hearing that horrendous score.

Ah! Now, that's constructive criticism!
Thank you, BK!
I like Little Mermaid for same reasons!

I'm prejudiced: I don't know anything about Aïda and never bothered buying the OBC.
I was so upset when I read that Mr Elton John was bragging that his music for KING was far superior to BEAUTY!
He must have been on something that day!! :o
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Post by: TCB on October 22, 2004, 05:43:33 PM


What sections of New Jersey might be described as Sopranosland, that is, the places where you might find the Mob?  What sort of music underscores the HBO show?  What sort of music do actual Mafia people listen to nowadays?  I hope it's not rap - I heard that stuff can lead to violent behavior.   ::)

LODI, NEW JERSEY

Or, at least, it was when I lived there in the early 80s.  At the time, I was one of only a handful of non-Italians in town, and the only crime was organized.
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Post by: TCB on October 22, 2004, 05:48:14 PM
The Clinton Street Theater in Portland is showing Russ Meyer's film VIXEN this weekend (and all next week). I might go and see it, haven't decided for sure. Other then BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS I have never seen a Russ Meyer movie.

VIXEN was quite fun, when I first saw it.  But, at the time, I was living in Ellensburg, Washington -- so most anything probably would have been fun!
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Post by: TCB on October 22, 2004, 05:51:25 PM
First:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HHW AND THANKS TO ALL WHO MAKE H.H.W. WORTH COMING TO!!

Second, Panni, according to the on-line dictionary of my library's catalog, it's "schlep" or/also "shlep"

NOUN:  1.  An arduous journey; 2.  A clumsy or stupid person.

VERB:  schlepped, schlep.ping, schleps; also shlepped, shlep.ping, shleps

TRANSITIVE VERB:  To carry clumsily or with difficulty; lug.

INTRANSITIVE VERB:  To move slowly or laboriously: schlepped all around town looking for wallpaper.

ORIGIN:  Yiddish shleppen to drag < Middle Low German slepen

VARIATIONS:  schlepper (noun)


"Once I was a schlepper..........."
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 05:51:28 PM
Welcome to DRSanJoseGirl!

I like The Little Mermaid - even though "Part of Your World" sounds to me just like "Somewhere that's Green" from Little Shop....but oh well.

And I liked AIDA, too, but there you are.  The choreography was horrible, but the performers were good and of course the story has always been a stunner!

I thought the quote was accurate DRSTUART thanks for checking.  After I read your post, I do remember that Slim Hawks said it as well....she must have been copying DOW.  Hmmmmmmmmmm.......so since Edward VIII had no children....if he had not abdicated, who would have become ruler when he passed away?  Elizabeth's father was already dead....so she may have ended up Queen of England anyway.

And....I think someone answered this before....BUT if something happens to Charles before he becomes King - does the crown go to William or does it go to Charles' brother, Andrew?

Of course I know it is several steps removed from me....but in case of a direct hit somewhere over there, I am ready to step up to the throne.
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 05:52:09 PM
With my revolution in Dance!!!
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Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 05:52:48 PM
I want ice cream.
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: Jrand73 on October 22, 2004, 05:54:29 PM
I gave up on B/B when I saw the tour in Chicago and Mrs Potts kept singing:  "Beau-DEE and the beast....."

It's "Beau-TEEEEE" dumbass.....t t t t t...not d d d ....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on October 22, 2004, 05:54:59 PM
It's been a long/been a long/been a long day, but I'd be terribly remiss if I didn't say

Happy Anniversary, Site!

and

Welcome, KS (sanjosegirl) - Nice to meet you, too.

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Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 05:56:33 PM
I may have some ice cream with some C. C. Brown's on it, later tonight.  Finally wrote a couple of pages.  Whew!
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Post by: François de Paris on October 22, 2004, 05:59:06 PM
Welcome to DRSanJoseGirl!

I like The Little Mermaid - even though "Part of Your World" sounds to me just like "Somewhere that's Green" from Little Shop....but oh well.

And I liked AIDA, too, but there you are.  The choreography was horrible, but the performers were good and of course the story has always been a stunner!

I thought the quote was accurate DRSTUART thanks for checking.  After I read your post, I do remember that Slim Hawks said it as well....she must have been copying DOW.  Hmmmmmmmmmm.......so since Edward VIII had no children....if he had not abdicated, who would have become ruler when he passed away?  Elizabeth's father was already dead....so she may have ended up Queen of England anyway.

And....I think someone answered this before....BUT if something happens to Charles before he becomes King - does the crown go to William or does it go to Charles' brother, Andrew?

Of course I know it is several steps removed from me....but in case of a direct hit somewhere over there, I am ready to step up to the throne.

The Prince Diaries?? ;)
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: François de Paris on October 22, 2004, 06:04:39 PM
AZOOLAPALLOL

A zoo, L.A., pal! LOL! :D
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: Charles Pogue on October 22, 2004, 06:05:05 PM
Another problem I had with B & B onstage.  Disney was just not willing to dispense with things that made no sense anymore.  It's one thing to have someone turned into a tea-cup, that is actually the size of a tea-cup or a candelbra the size of one.  But when you got a tea-cup the size of bathtub onstage it just looks stupid and makes no sense.   At least LION KING (which I've resisted seeing, despite what looks like spectacular and imaginative scenic and costume design) doesn't seem to insist on keeping everything looking like the cartoon.  It adapts to the demands of the media it's in.

I think it would have been a better show to have musicalized Couteau's Beauty & the Beast.  But it's just the whole trend...Aren't they now thinking of adapting the TARZAN cartoon to the stage?  When will it all end?  How about producing an original musical by new young composers that was actually written for the stage instead just adapting the franchise library.
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Post by: George on October 22, 2004, 06:11:46 PM
I think it would have been a better show to have musicalized Couteau's Beauty & the Beast.  But it's just the whole trend...Aren't they now thinking of adapting the TARZAN cartoon to the stage?
Disney's also working on a stage adaptation of "The Little Mermaid."

When will it all end?  How about producing an original musical by new young composers that was actually written for the stage instead just adapting the franchise library.
That's the idea!  They have a built in audience.  They do it that way so that neither the audience nor creators have to think of something original.
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: TCB on October 22, 2004, 06:14:21 PM
Is this the London cast or the soundtrack?

Sadly, Mr. Newley's 1992 production.  I would have loved to have heard him do it about twenty years earlier.
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Post by: George on October 22, 2004, 06:19:38 PM
Beauty and the Beast is an interesting case, because obviously Mr. Menken and Mr. Ashman are theatrical and it is structured like a musical to begin with.  So, all they had to do was add three or four new numbers and make it a full-length score.  Where the show fails for me is in its mechanics - all the computers and the singers in some room somewhere and the hideous sound design where it seems you never hear a real sound coming from anyone - if they'd just let the material speak it really would have been better.  That's where the Disney effect has been most harmful.
I totally agree with you on Beauty, BK.  I saw the Broadway production, but I haven't seen The Lion King at all...only pictures.  I probably should have specified that I feel that the score to B&TB is better than TLK.

Obviously, they got Julie Taymor, a not uninteresting director, to do the Lion King, but, aside from some of her clever visuals, she simply didn't have the smarts to know how to make it a moving or cohesive evening of theater.
I don't know about this.  As I said, I haven't seen the show but I don't like the Broadway score...well, any of the newer songs that Elton John wrote for the stage.  But I've always wondered if Julie Taymor wasn't allowed (by Disney) to make many changes in the story or the score...if she was told to make do with whatever Elton John gave her.  Is that a possibility?
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Post by: TCB on October 22, 2004, 06:30:12 PM
I guess I am in the minority (so what else is new?), but I still say that any show that gets children to see Broadway theater or any live theater is a plus, not a minus.  I agree that when I was a teenager, the shows I would have wanted to see would not have been cartoons, but real musical theater.  However, with ticket prices topping out at over $100.00, I doubt very many children have a say in if they see a Broadway show, let alone what the show might be.

Personally, I think RENT is a piece of crap, but if it stirs the interest of young people enough to buy the CD or to see the production I am all for it.  The child who sees RENT or BEAUTY AND THE BEAST today, is the child that is going to fall in love with live theater; and years from now it is that child who will be turning to Sondheim, R & H, Jerome kern, Kander & Ebb, etc., etc. (okay etc.)
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Post by: François de Paris on October 22, 2004, 06:59:21 PM
Another problem I had with B & B onstage.  Disney was just not willing to dispense with things that made no sense anymore.  It's one thing to have someone turned into a tea-cup, that is actually the size of a tea-cup or a candelbra the size of one.  But when you got a tea-cup the size of bathtub onstage it just looks stupid and makes no sense.   At least LION KING (which I've resisted seeing, despite what looks like spectacular and imaginative scenic and costume design) doesn't seem to insist on keeping everything looking like the cartoon.  It adapts to the demands of the media it's in.

I think it would have been a better show to have musicalized Couteau's Beauty & the Beast.  But it's just the whole trend...Aren't they now thinking of adapting the TARZAN cartoon to the stage?  When will it all end?  How about producing an original musical by new young composers that was actually written for the stage instead just adapting the franchise library.

Suspension of belief, Mr Pogue!

That's what the theater (and movies) is all about!

That trend won't end because it's all about money and those shows bring buckets of dough!

You gave the answer in some previous post!
Bankers rule the world!
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: François de Paris on October 22, 2004, 07:00:27 PM
We're In The Money!
Dance!

Is that 42nd Street yet?
Shut up and DANCE!
New page!
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: François de Paris on October 22, 2004, 07:05:28 PM
Disney's also working on a stage adaptation of "The Little Mermaid."That's the idea!  They have a built in audience.  They do it that way so that neither the audience nor creators have to think of something original.

Well, it's more than that!
With those stories, they are in conquered territory and know they'll have an audience and that they won't lose money! Etc, etc, etc.....

I guess Aïda was trying to be some "new" work!
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: TCB on October 22, 2004, 07:22:48 PM
Michael Shayne -- Great to see you back.  I hope you are feeling better.
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: td on October 22, 2004, 07:26:23 PM
Michael Shayne!  how're you feeling?   Tell all. . .
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Post by: Jenny on October 22, 2004, 07:38:45 PM
I don't recall whether I've already discussed my feelings about the Disney musicals on here, so I'll try to be brief just in case I have.

The first Broadway musical I ever saw was "Beauty And The Beast" when I was five or six years old, and I hated it.  A few months later, I saw the revival of "Show Boat" which gave birth to my lifelong love of musical theatre.  Out of all my friends whose first musicals had a significant effect on their lives (and who saw these productions as very young children), very few say that one of the Disney shows caused them to fall for musical theatre.  Most were introduced to musical theatre by "Show Boat", "Les Miserables", "Once Upon a Mattress", and other musicals that were not written to entertain an elementary school audience.

I have not revisited "Beauty and the Beast" since that initial experience so I can't really judge the stage production, but "Beauty and the Beast" was (and still is) my favorite Disney movie, but the stage production didn't even entertain my six year old self.

"The Lion King", while problematic at points, is actually a very exciting evening of theatre.  While, quite honestly, most of it is terrible, the few good moments are so beautiful that, for me at least, they overpower the dreck.  "The Circle of Life" is both visually stunning and vocally exciting (though probably entirely prerecorded), as are much of the cross overs, transitions, and dance numbers written for the stage incarnation.  The music written in Zulu by other composers besides Elton John (I can't find their names anywhere, unfortunately), though rarely heard, is incredibly exciting.  Also, Taymor's direction is incredibly exciting visually even though she tends to hire entirely incompetent actors with no sense of how to work with masks or portray animals.  Elton John's new songs are terrible and many of the pop style songs from the movie don't jive with the general feel of the Broadway production.  I recognize that most of my comments are negative, but seeing "The Lion King" is truly a positive, and exciting, and enlightening experience just for those few beautiful moments.
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Post by: Jenny on October 22, 2004, 07:39:29 PM
I don't recall whether I've already discussed my feelings about the Disney musicals on here, so I'll try to be brief just in case I have.

I guess I failed in my endeavor to keep it short... :-\
Title: Re:AZOOLAPALLOL
Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 07:41:05 PM
The latest Hollywood cannibalization will be The Bad News Bears.  That needs a remake like I need a high colonic.  
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on October 22, 2004, 07:43:29 PM
I am back from the funeral.

Re kids at the theater: DR Sandra saw a professional tour of Sound of Music at age 4. She saw Phantom of the Opera in LA at the age of 6. Recently I have been taking my friend's 9-year-old son -- he has seen Music Man, Forever Plaid, Joseph ...Dreamcoat. We'll see Guys and Dolls in the spring.

Welcome to DR SanJoseGirl!!

And continued good vibes to Michael Shayne ~~~~~
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 07:46:33 PM
I guess I am in the minority (so what else is new?), but I still say that any show that gets children to see Broadway theater or any live theater is a plus, not a minus.  I agree that when I was a teenager, the shows I would have wanted to see would not have been cartoons, but real musical theater.  However, with ticket prices topping out at over $100.00, I doubt very many children have a say in if they see a Broadway show, let alone what the show might be.


DRTCB, I'd fight you on a lot of this if I didn't care for you so much.  I want children to go to theatre, I want them to perform theatre, but I'm still appalled that a parent would bring a child to New York and take them to a children's musical, especially a second-rate one, at exorbitant ticket prices.  Take them to something smart, witty, intellectual, frivolous, but don't lower your taste and standards to see a good cartoon turned into a second-rate musical.

Also, pace Dear Friend, but I loved RENT and expected to hate it.  I think it's a n interesting adaptation of LA BOHEME that works in almost every way that Disney's AIDA did not.  And much as I love La Boheme, there are sections of Larsen's score that move me to tears as much as Puccini's.
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 07:54:25 PM
And I wanted to mention I just finished the 6th hour of the A&E/BBC dramatization of VANITY FAIR, which caught the scope of Thackeray's epic novel quite nicely with some truly grotesque and comic characters as well as some really slimy evil ones (the Marquis of Steyne is scary, really scary).  Interesting cast, not so glamorously attractive as the cast of the new "modern woman" Becky Sharp/Reese Witherspoon adaptation, but they seem right for folk of 1811-1820 or so.  I enjoyed it immensely, though it won't pull me back regularly the way the same production team's PRIDE AND PREJUDICE with Jennifer Ehle and Colin Firth does.  The Becky Sharp here is quite the demented, angry poor girl clawing and lying her way up the ladder as her rich friend Amelia's fortunes descend.  One reservation:  the score stinks.
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Post by: Jennifer on October 22, 2004, 08:00:24 PM
And I liked AIDA, too, but there you are.  The choreography was horrible, but the performers were good and of course the story has always been a stunner!

Now I actually like Disney on Broadway and really enjoyed both BATB and The Lion King.  But I almost died laughing at Aida.  The choreography at a few points was so odd that my sister and I could barely stop from bursting out with laughter.

Btw, I get what DRs Elmore and  Charles Pogue are saying.  But I like all types of theatre.  I love shows like Mamma Mia, and can accept them for what they are.

I think it's fine to take kids to see Oliver, or Peter Pan or Sound of Music.  But I also look forward to having Mary Poppins and Chitty.  And Shrek.
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Post by: Michael on October 22, 2004, 08:02:28 PM
Almost caught up with all the postings.

Magazine Subscribed: Entertainment Weekly, Instict.

Miss: Show Music (Have Volume 1 Number 1 onwards when it was just a newsletter) & Theater Week/In Theater

Recently stopped subscribing to Sondheim Quarterly. I think they have exhusted all they can write about SS and his shows.

Les Uns and Les Autres great film! It played continously in Montreal for almost five years except for 2 weeks in the summer when the cinema was taken over for the film festival.

Belated birthday wishes and anniversary wishes to all those that I missed.

Best vibes to all that need them.
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Post by: elmore3003 on October 22, 2004, 08:06:43 PM
DRMichaelShayne, it's good to see you here.  GOOD VIBES TO YOU!!!!
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Post by: TCB on October 22, 2004, 08:09:31 PM
DRTCB, I'd fight you on a lot of this if I didn't care for you so much.  I want children to go to theatre, I want them to perform theatre, but I'm still appalled that a parent would bring a child to New York and take them to a children's musical, especially a second-rate one, at exorbitant ticket prices.  Take them to something smart, witty, intellectual, frivolous, but don't lower your taste and standards to see a good cartoon turned into a second-rate musical.

Also, pace Dear Friend, but I loved RENT and expected to hate it.  I think it's a n interesting adaptation of LA BOHEME that works in almost every way that Disney's AIDA did not.  And much as I love La Boheme, there are sections of Larsen's score that move me to tears as much as Puccini's.

The only thing about RENT that brought me to tears was the fact that I had spent over $100.00 (before the top prices averaged that) to sit in the third row of a theater to watch a show that I thought was worse than horrible.

I will take BEAUTY AND THE BEAST over RENT any day.  But, that's what makes horse racing!
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Post by: Michael on October 22, 2004, 08:13:15 PM
Well updating me:

I am still in a lot of pain. The doctors could not find anything with all the alphabests.  MRI, CATSCAN, LP, X-RAYS, and other tests done while I was on morphine and don't even remember.

The neurologist told me to take excederin tension headache pills and not the ones the hospital gave me as they have barbituates in them. Also suggested take prozac which is good for pain as well as it seems for depression.

Since none of this seems to really help I have decided to take the alternative route and trying chiropratic medicine. We'll see how that works,
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Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 08:17:32 PM
Michael, I hope you saw the Writer's Block review - and that when you're up to it you'll create a new little section on bk.com
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Post by: Michael on October 22, 2004, 08:21:47 PM
Michael, I hope you saw the Writer's Block review - and that when you're up to it you'll create a new little section on bk.com

I plan to take it easy this weekend. So I just might do it. I did start to read Richard valley's review, but as with Matt Hough it felt I was gettint too much info so I didn;t read the whole thing.

But can you please tell me again what day it was on so I can access it quickly?
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Post by: Michael on October 22, 2004, 08:24:34 PM
Some catch up questions.

Why is the standard framing of a film (like seven brides for seven brothers called "flat" Widescreen doesn;t bulge out so it is flat as well.

Les Uns et Les Autre also has either a five hour version or six hour version (don't remember which) which was edited as one hour episodes as a mini series. I remember seeing that on tv in Montreal.

Has anyone in the LA area see JASON GRAAE in Grand Hotel?
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Post by: Michael on October 22, 2004, 08:26:14 PM
RE: Disney stage adaptations: The German stage version of Hunchback has Quasimodo and Esmerelda dieing at the end as they do in the book and I believe all the other film versions
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Post by: Michael on October 22, 2004, 08:30:13 PM
I got the DVD of the PBS Broadway series. A lot of great bonuses especially a fifteen minute sequence of the creation of Someone In a Tree. (A brief bit is shown on tv and credited as rehersal footage which it wasn't) It was also nice to see a brief clip of Japanese TV video of Pacific Overtures.

They also showed the segments of the two songs from A Chorus Line that were done on the Tony Award shows. So there is hope that they will be show in there entirity in Volume Three of Broadway's Lost Treasures???
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Post by: Michael on October 22, 2004, 08:31:47 PM
Well time to go to bed. I guess more postings for me tomorrow.
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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 08:33:04 PM
I've been out most of the day. Will catch up on the posts in a minute. First want to post pics of my new home environment (moving in Nov.).
The living room...
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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 08:35:17 PM
Kitchen looking into eat-in area...
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Post by: Michael on October 22, 2004, 08:35:19 PM
One more bit of blind gossip that I have read elsewhere.

Could it be that the onstage double of that closeted (and tweezed) actor has a double life of his own? So say numerous sources who have “procured” this man’s services by the hour, night, or weekend. He’s far more interested in Steve than Eve (regardless of what he tells you), and despite his proclaimed versatility, if you give him a task, he’ll happily get to the bottom of it. He’s handsome enough, but it’s his physique that’s particularly impressive – hardly earned by sweatin’ to the oldies.

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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 08:36:59 PM
The lovely street...
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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 08:39:30 PM
Handy-dandy built-in shelf in LR for my robots and other treasures...
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Post by: Matt H. on October 22, 2004, 08:39:52 PM
To be honest, I found BEAUTY AND THE BEAST much more palatable on stage than I did THE LION KING which I found horrifyingly extended from a 90 minute cartoon to a three hour extravaganza. Those elaborate creature depictions are fascinating for the first 10 minutes, but then you've got the rest o0f the show to endure.

BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, for me, has an interesting score and a magic that I think would thrill kids unacquainted with theater. I loved it.
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Post by: Matt H. on October 22, 2004, 08:43:58 PM
I have never understood the wild popularity of SHREK. They're pleasant diversions, but for me hardly more than that.
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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 08:44:14 PM
Last one... Little built in "vanity area" in the master bedroom. I can now spend hours staring at my beauteous self in the mirror...
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Post by: MBarnum on October 22, 2004, 08:55:55 PM
DR Panni, I think I am in love with your new home environment! It reminds me of a cottage that I lived in on, of all places, Cottage St. NE here in salem about 10 years ago. I particularly LOVE the kitchen...and I am thinking that is a vintage stove, am I correct?
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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 09:02:01 PM
I particularly LOVE the kitchen...and I am thinking that is a vintage stove, am I correct?

Michael - It's, I believe, in the style of a vintage stove - but quite modern. I'll have a DOUBLE oven. In a mo I'll post another pic of the kitchen just for you. It's taken from the other direction.
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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 09:06:26 PM
MB - Here's another view of the kitchen. Oh - and I was rude - thank you for the compliment on the home environment!
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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 09:15:43 PM
May I vent? I bought a standing cabinet for my bathroom in the new digs. It's a gorgeous bathroom with a (new) clawfoot tub (which certain people can't stand -- but I like). But there isn't enough storage space. So this standing cabinet looked to be just the ticket. I was told that it is simple to assemble. So I lugged the box upstairs - no mean feat - it was large and HEAVY - and opened it. A million parts and instructions written by a sadist greeted me. Guess what, bathroom cabinet people? -- I don't have a degree in engineering! Although I'm not sure one would actually help. And to add insult to injury, the glass of the cabinet door was cracked. I took just the door back and made them open a package and give me another one. Tomorrow I try again to assemble it. Aaaargggh!  :P
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Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 09:19:58 PM
Shayne, Valley's review appeared in yesterday's (Thursday's) notes.
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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 09:23:48 PM
One more pic I like. Looking out the front door to the steps leading downstairs...
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Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 09:56:01 PM
Sad to be all alone in the world.
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Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 10:14:40 PM
Jrand, it looks like we've been hoodwinked and will never get our DVDs of Horror of Party Beach.  The seller, after receiving close to sixty negatives in the last four weeks, has either bolted (not a registered user) or been suspended.  If you paid via paypal, you are at least protected, so file a fraud claim with them immediately, as I have.  You should also send a copy of same to eBay safe harbor.  
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Post by: TCB on October 22, 2004, 10:15:47 PM


...but I want to know who Michael Shayne's piece of blind gossip is supposed to be about???  I could never figure those damn things out.  Names, I want names!![/i]
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Post by: Panni on October 22, 2004, 10:23:41 PM
I had a yearning for a muffin. So I went to Jerry's and got one. Thought I'd share.
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Post by: S. Woody White on October 22, 2004, 10:48:11 PM
Car CD player: Redhead and The Producers.  The second was particularly fun, because we were driving around with the younger grandlad (aged four) in the car, having forgotten some of the language that can be found on songs early in that score.  Fortunately, the lad never even blinked an eye.
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Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 10:57:57 PM
Jrand: Update.  The "not a registered user" has already registered under a new name and is selling all the same items (who DOES he think he's kidding? Certainly not Sherlock Kimmel).  I've already reported his new name to eBay (same city, same state, same phone prefix, same items, same wording) and paypal.  Hopefully, they will suspend him immediately.  I will also contact all his other buyers that he's bilked and give them his new name, too.  We wouldn't want him to think he was just walking away, would we?
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Post by: bk on October 22, 2004, 11:35:03 PM
Okay, where are our late-night denizens?  Are we ALL WUSSBURGERS all of a sudden?  Skammen, do you hear me?  Skammen.  I am getting in the shower and when I come out I want to see me some denizens around these here parts.
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Post by: Matthew on October 22, 2004, 11:38:15 PM
Wow, one of the first to post and now one of the last.   Can't sleep, excited about my first orchestra rehearal for "The Secret Garden", first time with a baton in my hand since 2002, I think I'm more worried about the keyboard players than anything else, they are VERY busy the whole time.  Maybe I'll find some ice ceam