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Re:THE SHORT FUSE
« Reply #120 on: March 10, 2004, 05:38:01 PM »

Yes, Jenny, you must read the Kritzer books.  What I found interesting in your post (I was an outsider, as was Benjamin Kritzer), was the conversation you eavesdropped on - where the ninth graders were discussing flavored condoms.
It's interesting, because a friend of mine who has a fourteen year old daughter, said the "hip" thing in her school has become - wait for it - for the fourteen and fifteen year old girls to perform oral sex on their male schoolmates.  To which I say, it's the end of the world.   I somehow want to blame all this on the majority of the parents, for allowing their children to have mindsets like this.  I know it's all the Britney et al sexually charged videos that present these things to young teens, but the parents who buy (I do hate to harp or, at the very least lute, on this ad nauseum) their children thong underwear at nine years of age (WHAT are they thinking of?) and encourage their little darlings to run around in pants so low you can see their butt, to get tattoos and things that they will have to have forever - I mean, what kind of world has this turned into?  End of rant.
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« Reply #121 on: March 10, 2004, 05:46:44 PM »

Jenny, Panni as usual nailed it with her response to you.  All I can do is give you support and say I know and understand how you feel.  I remember how sick I often felt at the end of the school day.  Honestly it does get better.  

I also suspect your sister’s attitude was to cover up her real feelings.  My sister always acted tough.  When I grew up I found out it was only anger, not strength and I was the strong one, not her.

Best of vibes to you.
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« Reply #122 on: March 10, 2004, 06:16:49 PM »

Dearest BK, that was the best rant of all!  I agree with you totally.  How is your short fuse day developing?  Things seem better.

DR Jenny,  another voice from the Outside Looking In.  My first comment is that you remind me so much of my 14 year-old goddaughter and her feelings about growing up in the Horace Mann school.  She has her dance and theatre friends as a support and she's a beautiful young lady regarded as a freak/geek by shallow people who don't deserve to wipe her butt.  I like DR Panni's MIT appellation.

As to my tortured childhood, get out the violins:  poor going to a wealthy school, a lonely dreamer unable to relate to my peer group, a reader, a sissy, a crazy mother; it wasn't a pretty picture.  I had a few friends but I wanted to be in the In Crowd, as the song tells us, and I envied the jocks and the cheerleaders.  A few liked me, but I think more were just used to me from being in school with me from grade 1.  Later, while I was trying to find my way in the world doing stupid jobs and driving my mother crazier, I taught creative dramatics to some of my classmates' children.  Most of the ones I sought approval and recognition from between 1951-1964 were divorced, on their second or third marriage, or  having an affair behind their spouse's back.  I remember running into one of my classmates, head cheerleader as I recall, around 1976.  She had a big house, two children, a drinking problem and an ugly divorce.  I thank God I never got caught in that trap.  Enjoy the book, find new worlds, dream and escape.  That's the best revenge.
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« Reply #123 on: March 10, 2004, 06:19:40 PM »

Thank you so much for your beautiful and kind posts.  I'm so happy that I discovered this board!

(Even if your comments about the Kritzer books were shameless plugs, BK! ;) )

What I found interesting in your post (I was an outsider, as was Benjamin Kritzer), was the conversation you eavesdropped on - where the ninth graders were discussing flavored condoms.
It's interesting, because a friend of mine who has a fourteen year old daughter, said the "hip" thing in her school has become - wait for it - for the fourteen and fifteen year old girls to perform oral sex on their male schoolmates.  To which I say, it's the end of the world.   I somehow want to blame all this on the majority of the parents, for allowing their children to have mindsets like this.  I know it's all the Britney et al sexually charged videos that present these things to young teens, but the parents who buy (I do hate to harp or, at the very least lute, on this ad nauseum) their children thong underwear at nine years of age (WHAT are they thinking of?) and encourage their little darlings to run around in pants so low you can see their butt, to get tattoos and things that they will have to have forever - I mean, what kind of world has this turned into?  End of rant.

Teenage girls are, as a whole, the most vulgar creatures on the planet (No wonder they dislike me!).  Though there are certainly exceptions, many are cruel, slutty, disgraces to their entire gender who act as though they're complete morons to impress the moron boys, barely wear any clothing, and, as you mentioned, perform sexual favors for male friends out of sympathy or mere friendliness.  The recent fashion is for teenage girls to wear their pants so that their pubic hair is exposed.  I have never seen anything so vulgar in my life.  I don't blame the media for this, but rather, I blame parents and teachers.  I was exposed to the exact same media a pop culture growing up as these girls were, but I'm not like them.  The same is true for Maya.  Clearly there was something else in our upbringing that derailed us from a similar fate.  Teenage girls also do quite a bit of drugs now, which I only recently found out (Apparently they take viagra?  I don't even want to know what sort of affects that must have on a female!).  The New York Times recently ran an article saying that many teenage boys are opting to remain virgins, and it's the teenage girls who are pressuring them into sex!  I was at first surprised to see that, but it actually makes sense when I consider my school's population.  I also realized recently that out of all my female friends, only two have not experienced some severe form of sexual abuse.  I'm sure that there's a connection between that and girls being sexually active at a young age, though I'm not sure exactly what the connection is.  Perhaps an abusive experience causes a woman to not appreciate her body?  Or perhaps other girls' loose attitude in regards to sex causes boys to think that it's okay to take advantage of women?  But that's a different issue, I think.  

Have you seen "Thirteen"?  Disturbingly truthful.
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« Reply #124 on: March 10, 2004, 06:24:36 PM »

The portion of A STAR IS BORN that could have made the difference in winning Judy the Oscar® was the juxtaposition of the dressing room scene with the cut "Long Face" number.  The scene is much less effective without the contrast between desperate Vicky offscreen and perky Vicki onscreen.  I agree that the other scenes probably wouldn't have made a difference with the Academy members, but that scene/song combination could have done it for her.
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« Reply #125 on: March 10, 2004, 06:34:37 PM »

Wow!  I tried to get onto this site a moment ago, and a little message popped up saying that 52 users were on this site and it was overcrowded!  Business is booming, eh, BK?
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« Reply #126 on: March 10, 2004, 06:37:44 PM »

It shouldn't matter if there were 52 or 552, that was the point of going with a higher bandwidth company.  I e-mailed them - it was very temporary, though, thank goodness.

Jenny, it occurs to me - tell Maya to bring you the Kritzer books, she's got both of them.
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« Reply #127 on: March 10, 2004, 06:39:15 PM »

As far as Jenny saying that the new trend is for young girls to wear their pants so low that their pubic hair is exposed - I was under the impression that the new trend was to not have any pubic hair at all - which I find thoroughly disgusting.  In fact, dear reader Pogue and I had a most amusing conversation about same at Musso and Frank a couple of months ago.
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« Reply #128 on: March 10, 2004, 06:40:05 PM »

All right, everyone, new question for the day: How many of us have been the outsiders, like Jenny has found herself to be?

Or like Bruce K. has admitted?

Or, hey, like myself?

Yep, always was, always will be.  There are people who admire me, but I'll never be, and never have been, at any time or place a part of the "popular" crowd.

Think in terms of the gay scene in Los Angeles.  I never felt that I belonged in West Hollywood.  I always was much more comfortable in Silverlake, which is by far a more ecclectic crowd.  (They still have piano bars!  Try finding anyone in West Hollywood who even knows, or will admit to knowing, where middle C is located!)

Softball, as in gay softball leagues?  Count on me to be there, but not as a player.  I was always the scorekeeper, and a damn good one.  But who cheers for the scorekeeper?

And so on and so forth, blah blah blah.

Jenny, if it's any consolation, there was a certain moment when I graduated from High School, up in the hills at the Starlight Bowl in Burbank, the only place large enough to hold the entire graduating class and families and friends.  (Ron Howard, same graduating class but in the "other" high school in Burbank, had to graduate in a football stadium.)  After the speeches, we-the-graduating-class were lined up down the hill (and it was a steep one; Starlight Bowl overlooks the entire San Fernando Valley) in height order, shortest to tallest.  Natch, at 6'2", I was way towards the back.  And the accoustics of the valleylet that the Bowl is set in were good enough that we could hear what was going on, as each name was called and that person crossed the stage to accept his or her diploma.

When my name was called, the largest, loudest cheer came from my fellow students.  Yeah, sure, a lot of that was because more of my fellows (and gal-lows) had already retaken their seats, but they all could have cheered for someone else just as loudly.  For some reason, they cheered for me.  I've never been sure if it was because I remained myself, or because I represented the underdogs in my entire class.

But it felt good.

Jenny, there are people in your own class that do admire you, but can't figure out how to say so.  Take my word on that one.

I'm looking forward to seeing you again this weekend.  But don't bring your chem homework with you!  You and der Brucer can work on that later, or on Friday nite.   ;D
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« Reply #129 on: March 10, 2004, 06:41:43 PM »

Good Evening!

-Just finished watching the "American Idol" decision show... And all I want to say right now is:

"Take the gum out of your mouth!!!!"

-Hope that's not giving away anything.  ;)

Time to read the latest posts...
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« Reply #130 on: March 10, 2004, 06:47:23 PM »

...Teenage girls also do quite a bit of drugs now, which I only recently found out (Apparently they take viagra?  I don't even want to know what sort of affects that must have on a female!). ...
Teenage girls walking around with stiffies?  At that age, their boyfriends are lucky to be walking around without them!   ;D
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« Reply #131 on: March 10, 2004, 06:55:34 PM »

The portion of A STAR IS BORN that could have made the difference in winning Judy the Oscar® was the juxtaposition of the dressing room scene with the cut "Long Face" number.  The scene is much less effective without the contrast between desperate Vicky offscreen and perky Vicki onscreen.  I agree that the other scenes probably wouldn't have made a difference with the Academy members, but that scene/song combination could have done it for her.

That's also a very exquisite scene.  I disagree that other scenes would NOT have done the trick, but this one was a tour de force for Judy.

I was thinking more of Mason and Garland together.  The brilliance of the film is only on view in the restoration of the film...and what was restored is exceedingly cherce material.

But
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« Reply #132 on: March 10, 2004, 06:56:01 PM »

Evening all.

Don’t worry about those girls, Jenny.  Your talking to another “outcast” when I was in school.  If I had penny for every time I rode the bus home crying, I would be a rich person right now.  My crime? (cover your eyes here, guys)   I developed faster than the other girls did and I wore coke bottle thick glasses.  I hated my body.  Top that off with being painfully shy (still am) and I was a very easy target.  Now when I think back,  at least when I turned sideways and  you were a block away, you didn’t have squint to see if I was a female.  LOL.  Sorry guys.  What I didn’t know was the reason they teased me was because they were jealous of me.

Any who,  got some nice comments today form the directors secretary  She said, “Oh, you’ve reached your goal.”  I had to tell her, no, I still have over 20 lbs to go if I decide to go for 115.  She couldn’t believe it.  

I’m trying to hold off on clothes shopping but I may have to get an item or two.  My pants are getting a little baggy.  No pity parties, please.   :)

Laugh of the day came from a co-worker.  We were crammed on the elevator when it opened and a lady said, “Do you have room for a baby?”.  My friend piped up and said, “A baby, yeah, but not the Mama!”.   ;D
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« Reply #133 on: March 10, 2004, 06:59:07 PM »

SWW - I was an outsider, natch. But I was also from another country, a different culture, a different language. So I actually never much noticed. It seemed perfectly natural to me. And frankly (or Georgely) I don't know what I would've done if I'd suddenly become popular. I really couldn't figure out most of the kids in my school(s) - I went to MANY different schools - and thought they were really childish. Didn't much like them, certainly didn't want to hang out with them.
I felt like a grown-up by the time I was 8. Had gone through numerous life and death experiences which tend to make you mature - fast. All I cared about was acting and as long as I could do that, read, run stories through my head, and talk to my dog, Gypsy, I was happy. And I was also working professionally by the time I was 14 - having experiences that my high school classmates couldn't even have imagined -- so who needed to be in the in-crowd. For me,I was the in-crowd.
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« Reply #134 on: March 10, 2004, 07:02:34 PM »

Re the pubic hair shaving (there's an opening line) - one of the best lines in the season's premiere of THE SOPRANOS had to do with that.
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« Reply #135 on: March 10, 2004, 07:04:55 PM »

Did anyone see  JUDAS on ABC on Monday? I've taped it, haven't watched it yet. The producer asked me for feedback, so if you have anything you want to pass on, let me know.
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« Reply #136 on: March 10, 2004, 07:05:30 PM »

Wow!  I tried to get onto this site a moment ago, and a little message popped up saying that 52 users were on this site and it was overcrowded!  Business is booming, eh, BK?

Ah, sorry Jenny, but I think they were talking about my waist measurement.
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« Reply #137 on: March 10, 2004, 07:07:58 PM »

Michael Shayne, though I have final draft on my computer, I have yet to really start using it...I still type my scripts in an old DOS Worperfect macro program that the guy who set me up with my first computer in the late eighties devised.  I think a lot of writers at Disney may have used it at the time.  

But oddly enough, my producers called me  today to see if I could emailed them my latest draft (it's been greenlit).  I told them not only could I not email it to them, I could not even send them a disk because they probably wouldn't be able to open it or at least open it any adaptable format they have.

It's sort of one of the reasons I stick with this archaic system...simply because the idea of emailing a script or sending a disk suddenly gives people too easy an access to tinker around on your script without you're knowing...

But even today I was out looking at some computer enhancements.  As it stands now, if I upgrade beyond Windows 98, my old DOS Wordperfect system will be rendered inoperable and so will all the files and old scripts logged in it.  So I'm trying to find out if I buy a WORDPERFECT windows program, whether I can then transfer my old Wordperfect DOS files into a new Wordperfect windows file and whether my macros will hold up and the formats not be jostled around.   I'm also trying to get a scanner that works with my antiquated windows 98 program and my un-UBS ports computer.  Unfortunately, most of these jerks who work at these computer stores are not computer experts and cannot answer my questions intelligently.  I thought I might try the Writer's Store out here and even call Wordperfect for some advice, short of calling some $200 dollar a hour guy.

I never use how-to-make-a-story programs.  I sit down with a yeller legal pad, a well-gnawed pencil, and my li'l olde thinking cap.
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« Reply #138 on: March 10, 2004, 07:16:34 PM »

You know, Charles, I called one of those $200.00 an hour guys, but, I am pretty sure he didn't know anything about computers. Okay, except maybe hard drives.
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« Reply #139 on: March 10, 2004, 07:18:10 PM »

All right, everyone, new question for the day: How many of us have been the outsiders, like Jenny has found herself to be?

Or like Bruce K. has admitted?

Or, hey, like myself?

Yep, always was, always will be.  There are people who admire me, but I'll never be, and never have been, at any time or place a part of the "popular" crowd.


Yes.  Indeed.  I was.  I was a total outcast.  Wrong side of the tunnel.  Which is indeed on a par with Belle Poitrine's "The Other Side of the Tracks," as it was a railroad tunnel. . .but, THAT'S another story.  Like the other story of growing up (in residential sub-sub-sub-urbia) with a glaring streetlamp only a few feet from my bedroom window. But, that's not the point.
Back to the ooint:  mostly due to prescription drugs (cortisone based), in and around the third grade my girth began to expand; it continued to expand throughout junior and senior high, until upon graduation, I weighed in at 325 pounds!  It wasn't altogether a matter of overeating, though I was known to devour a bag of Fritos in one sitting, but a combination of scorn and ridicule from most peers, including relatives of the same age.
Once I was accepted to colleges, I began to shape up, shedding the pounds and gaining some self respect, until on the first day of classes, I weighed in at a fit, though probably not firm, 185lbs.  I was a new man, but not Paul.  ;)
Through the years, I've mostly maintained a 190 lb weigh-in, but have been known to weigh in at 135 lbs.  My waist went from a 48 to a 36 (at one time, it was actually a 29!), and now that middle-aged girth has approached, I'm sticking at a comfortable median between 36 and 38.

There's the basic portion of my outsider status; add to that the fact that I was a vociferous reader, was involved in the arts, was part of a team of intelligent students on a weekly local junior high school quiz television show, played piano, sang and went to church religiously on Sundays. . . .

I'm not that guy anymore. . .often I related to CHESS' "someone else's story," because most of the time, I can't believe that the me who used to be actually was.
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« Reply #140 on: March 10, 2004, 07:19:32 PM »

Just so we don't condemn all young types... The following story was related to me today by a writer friend in his late fifties in Victoria, British Columbia. He was taking the bus somewhere and went to the bus shelter to wait -- and there he saw the most horrible homophobic graffiti.
Two obviously straight young men, students probably, arrived at the bus shelter. He watched to see what their reaction would be. They read some of the stuff and laughed in a kind of disbelieving way. And then, to his amazement, one of them took out a black marker and blacked it all out!
The bus came. As they boarded together, my friend said to them, "As a gay man, I appreciate what you just did." The young men were at first taken aback, then looked pleased.
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« Reply #141 on: March 10, 2004, 07:25:02 PM »

FS Pogue - Greenlit for production? Congratulations!
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« Reply #142 on: March 10, 2004, 07:35:22 PM »

I write everything in Word.  I have Windows XP and Word does it all for me.  I set up my little indent shortcuts for dialogue, stage direction, character names, etc. for scripts - for the novels, I just merrily type away.  
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« Reply #143 on: March 10, 2004, 07:35:47 PM »

Panni, that is an absolutely wonderful story.  I hope that there are many more young men out there like them!  

Thank you all for the kind words.  I'm sorry to hear that so many of you had similar experiences when you were my age, but it gives me some sort of hope because you all seem to be fairly sane human beings!  ;)

BK, I will ask Maya to lend me the Kritzer books because I truly feel like a heathen for having not read them.  Besides, it'll give me something to do during the next field trip! (Which is tomorrow, by the way!  ::) )

I'm looking forward to seeing you again this weekend.  

What's stranger: That my mom is going to meet derBrucer and SWW?  Or that derBrucer and SWW are going to meet my mom?!  :o
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« Reply #144 on: March 10, 2004, 07:36:16 PM »

Jenny...This too shall pass.  Though it may seem like it now, High School is not the world.  I was a rather weird kid myself in high school, I did have a good group of friends, but was never what you would call in the IN crowd.  My class was also rather small...168 kids...so everyone knew everyone.  

But I've also remembered something my High School creative writing teacher told me my senior year when I was going off to college.  He said:  "The next foour years of your life are going to bring changes in so many ways you cannot perceive."  He was absolutely right.  It was where I found myself, the people I belonged with, the people I enjoyed, my true calling, as it were.  In college, all those small-time cliques and petty jealousies and all those things you thought were do or die become as nothing and put in their proper perspective.  Nobody in the big world has time for that, pardon the phrase, "high school shit".  

I must tell you also that I've been back to every one of my high school reunions since the twentieth (just went to my 35th in October) and I've enjoyed every one of them.  And what I found out was that all those popular kids were just as afraid and insecure as the rest of us.  Some had  terrible secrets, some had bad luck, some found out that in real life no one cares whether you won the big game or not.  You also found out that most of us couldn't really know each other because we didn't really know ourselves yet.

After the 20th I wrote a class newsletter for about five years, because going back had been a seminal experience for me.  Here's something I wrote in that first issue:  "In the ensuing months, everytime I spoke or wrote to the old cronies or renewed acquaintances, we'd end up enthusiastically rehashing the events of the reunion...delighting in the warmth and worth and camaraderie we found. Pleased that the old strictures and stereotypes imposed by an oft-times insensitive adolescent society had, if not totally faded into oblivion, at least been relegated to the insignificance they deserved.  There was the wonderful realization that we had all grown up and gone past what we were and the satisfying recognition that what we were had helped to shape what we now are...a pretty okay bunch of rather decent, interesting individuals."

You may never have that sort of reconcillation with your old high school mates, but you will grow past them.  You're too smart and attractive and talented not to. These experiences are only the beginning, far from the end.  It gets better and more exciting.  Those who stay stuck in their glory days of high school lead very sad lives.



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Re:THE SHORT FUSE
« Reply #145 on: March 10, 2004, 07:37:19 PM »

Oh, and for the ideas, I write everything down on whatever legal pad I happen to be near (I keep them everywhere).  For the novels, I sat down and made a huge list of everything I want to write about - I then type up that list, and keep it handy.  I also add to it constantly as things come to me.

It's worked very well for me.
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Re:THE SHORT FUSE
« Reply #146 on: March 10, 2004, 07:37:56 PM »

Jenny,

Who else on that bus could have expressed herself so well? You were able to take me back in time. Sure, your honesty and gentle humor made me recall some miserable experiences. But more importantly it made me remember what I privately liked about myself.

Thank you.

By the way, it was in tenth grade that I was lucky enough to meet my friend Patty. We're still talking about those obnoxious classmates.


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Re:THE SHORT FUSE
« Reply #147 on: March 10, 2004, 07:40:50 PM »

Reading these posts makes me reiterate once again (and I'm NOT boasting, really) - there is no finer group of people than those that frequent this here website.  I've never seen anything like it really.  Dudes and dudettes - I'm just going to say We Rock and if the Uncouth Interlopers have a problem with that they can just eat a rancid fig.
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Re:THE SHORT FUSE
« Reply #148 on: March 10, 2004, 07:41:14 PM »

I have to say that I'm truly overwhelmed by the kindness on this board.  I'm truly lucky to have found it and all of you.  :)
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Re:THE SHORT FUSE
« Reply #149 on: March 10, 2004, 07:43:21 PM »

And we you.  Okay, GROUP HUG.
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