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Title: MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: bk on May 20, 2004, 12:00:31 AM
Well, you've read the notes, you've gotten your notes fix, you're high on the notes, and now it is time to post to help me kick the Bookworm habit.  We can do it, man, if we stick together.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 12:15:25 AM
I'm going to need to sleep on the questions.  The first is a little serious, and needs a serious answer.  The second is going to require my checking dates.  Or if not dates, then plums.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: bk on May 20, 2004, 12:37:07 AM
Nobody here but us chickens.  I best not find out that the devil's spawn couldn't be bothered to show up here because she was playing Bookworm into the wee small hours of the morning.
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Post by: Michael on May 20, 2004, 03:22:15 AM
If one goes by the musical that played Broadway and were nominated for the Tony award......I would say that the song from the Producers that is the "11 o'clock number" Betrayed. That encapsulates the whole show up to that moment.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Michael on May 20, 2004, 03:23:37 AM
I was addicted to coke once. But I stopped because the bubbles bothered my nose.
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 20, 2004, 04:58:54 AM
Hmmmmmmm....I must have my Diet Pepsi, but other than that, there is nothing that I can't go without.

Twenty First Century theatre songs.....hmmmmmmm.....I will wait for some more lists.  Because, I can't think of any that I like the way I like earlier ones.  Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....

I am going to try to avoid Bookworm today.
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Post by: William E. Lurie on May 20, 2004, 06:24:01 AM
21st Century Songs?  Anything from William Finn's ELEGIES.

BK - Wasn't MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM condemed by the Catholic church?  It was one of the rare cases where the Chicago Censor Board made a film strictly Adults Only.  The only other two that I can think of were THE MOON IS BLUE (another Premenger film) and SUSAN SLEPT HERE.  Since the Censor Board was made up primarily of police widows, these ratings were strictly observed, and a theatre could be fined or lose it's license if anyone under 18 was caught at one of these films --- with or without an adult.  
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Post by: Noel on May 20, 2004, 06:33:00 AM
What a wonderful topic.  I can't wait to see how people respond to the 21st Century theatre song question.

"Everyone's a Little Bit Racist" gets into my head and fills me with mirth.  The song debuted last year in Avenue Q but I recall hearing it in a workshop back in 1999, so I don't know whether that counts.

John Bucchino's "Temporary" bares a 2000 copyright.  Is 2000 21st Century?  I guess it is.  As one who can't stand change, this parent-to-child number from Urban Myths never fails to move me to tears.

What if it's a very theatrical song by a very theatrical writer (William Finn) but never appeared in a show?  I'm thinking of "Republicans."

What if it's a song from a musical (again by Finn) that hasn't yet been produced?  I'm thinking of "I Have Found" as sung at Don't Tell Mama by Joy Dewing.

You see, the best musicals written in recent years ARE NOT the musicals produced in recent years.

There's a very impressive song from a straight-to-video movie: "Better Than I" from some biblical cartoon, also by John Bucchino.

I bite my nails.
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 20, 2004, 06:39:05 AM
Even with these, I am still at a loss.

WEL - what was objectionable about SUSAN SLEPT HERE, I wonder?  Just that fact that she did?  LOL....poor Debbie....an illegal sleepover.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Panni on May 20, 2004, 06:49:04 AM
First of all, let me state unequivocally that I am NOT the spawn of the devil. The Devil ain't my daddy or my mommy or even my aunt. That's the truth! Would I lie to you?
Last night I was NOT playing Bookworm - well, only one game and I actually stopped mid-game. I went to bed early -- I was tired. I was sleeping. While nasty things were being said about my parentage, I, Panni, was innocently asleep. (The devil hasn't even visited Budapest, so how could I have been spawned by him/her? Huh? Answer me that!)
The reason I've been tired DRs is that there has been construction going on 24 hours a day near the vicinity of my casa. I'm not exaggerating - 24 hours. I hear non-stop drilling in the middle of the night. (Wasn't that a famous tune?) It's in the distance, true - but I'm a very light sleeper. Which means that I'm never quite asleep because - I HEAR DRILLING. And, of course, there are the cats meowing outside my window and all the other noises of the night. So I haven't had a good night's sleep in ages. Yawnnnnn.
Hope everything is cleared up. Have I mentioned that I'm not the spawn of the devil?
SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE: PLAY BOOKWORM...PLAY BOOKWORM...PLAY BOOKWORM...PLAY BOOKWORM...   (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/teufel/devil-smiley-023.gif)

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Post by: Ben on May 20, 2004, 06:50:42 AM
Speaking of John Bucchino, there is a very good interview with him on BBC Radio 3 which will be up through Monday morning at 11am. It's on Stage and Screen. They don't play Temporary but they do play Better Than I which was from the animated film "Joseph"

Of course, here's the link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/playlists/stagescreenn.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/playlists/stagescreenn.shtml)

I agree about Racist from Avenue Q. Even though the workshop started in 1999, I think of it as a song of the 21st Century.

Even though it's not Wednesday, Noel and Elmore, I wonder, do you have the same kind of creative control issues (or even different creative control issues) as Charles and Panni mentioned yesterday (in relation to my question about why playwrights have more control over their work than screenwriters).

I don't know if it's an addiction, but I certainly could stop myself from purchasing many of the CDs that I buy. I never thought I would have so many of the little buggers. I know that BK and other DRs probably have many more but I now have close to 300 CDs. I listen to many of them and I do thin them out occasionally but I still want them. Some I do get from the Library and I burn a copy but most of the CDs I own were purchased.

Also, I don't know if it was "addictive" but I have cut back on my coffee consumption CONSIDERABLY over the past few years. I love coffee but I just can't drink as much as I used to.

When I was 19 I had a bad cold that wouldn't seem to go away so I began to use a nasal spray to be able to breathe through the night. Lo and behold after too much use I had a serious problem and had to wean my way off of Afrin or whatever it was. I learned a lesson there and have not used a nasal spray since. Otherwise, despite the era in which I grew up, I never used drugs and since my father drank too much, I went the other way and don't drink. I have never had a cigarette in my life, except for one or two puffs as a teenager. It never made sense to me why people smoked and after gasping for air and, again, remembering my father's early morning hacking from years of cigarette smoking, decided I didn't need the smell, expense or danger of smoking. I hope I don't sound smug about it. That's not my intent at all. I am just quite happy that I never succumbed to the peer pressure (especially in the 60s and 70s) to begin smoking.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Matt H. on May 20, 2004, 06:55:53 AM
Gosh, addictions? I do like soda, but I'm not a purist like many of the folks hee. I can drink Diet Coke or Diet Pepsi or Pepsi One or Diet Cheerwine or Diet Mountain Dew: as long as it's diet and a name brand, I'm a most happy fella (Frank Loesser reference).

I am a chocoholic, and find most days I must have my fix whether it be in ice cream or M&Ms (the supersized ones produced in honor of SHREK are NOT to my liking) or Reece's peanut butter cups or chocolate cake. A bad, bad habit that I would love to break but doubt I ever will. Thankfully, it doesn't take much to satisfy me, but I end up having a little something chocolate just about every day.

Theater songs? I'll have to thnk about that and write later. From 2001 onward, eh? Yep, I'll have to think about that.

Coming later today, a new George Eads picture.
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Post by: Jason on May 20, 2004, 06:57:53 AM
Good grief, now y'all've got "Everyone's A Little Bit Racist" running through my head.

My favorite theatre songs of the twenty-first century: "Dancin' Queen" and "Don't Cry Out Loud." "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" and "Total Eclipse of the Heart." "The Look of Love" and "Scenes From An Italian Restaurant."
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: MBarnum on May 20, 2004, 07:17:11 AM
I know not of new theater songs, so I will skip to the addictions:

Besides Bookworm (Panni, your message this morning gave me such a good laugh!!) I do have a slight problem with being addicted to Bollywood movies. I know that might come as a shock to some of your here at HHW, but it is true. I can't stay away from them! LOL!

And of course I did suffer through 15 years of being a cigarette smoker and have had to ween myself off of dark chocolate. But now I am clean! LOL!
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 07:21:51 AM
Liz Smith:

 
HOT RUMOR - that the multitalented "Chicago" Oscar-nominee, Queen Latifah, is being considered for a Broadway revival of Jerry Herman's enduring musical, "Mame."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05192004/gossip/liz.htm
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 07:27:25 AM
Kristin Chenoweth is in  negotiations to play opposite Nicole Kidman in Columbia Pictures' feature film, "Bewitched." Chenoweth will play Kidman's nosey next-door neighbor Marie.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=RKXYVEE5W5L3UCRBAELCFFA?type=topNews&storyID=5190944 (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=RKXYVEE5W5L3UCRBAELCFFA?type=topNews&storyID=5190944)
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 07:30:32 AM

ANTONIO Banderas, who was nominated for a Tony last year for his tender and sexy performance in "Nine," may be back on Broadway next season.
The actor is in negotiations to star in "Death Takes a Holiday," a new musical by "Nine" composer Maury Yeston and the late book writer Peter Stone.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/05192004/entertainment/21125.htm
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 07:38:38 AM
Listening to your inner voice, by Kristin Chenoweth.


http://www.guideposts.com/weekly_feature.asp?date=5/18/2004 (http://www.guideposts.com/weekly_feature.asp?date=5/18/2004)
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Post by: Jason on May 20, 2004, 07:55:08 AM
I think I'm addicted to blueberry bagels, toasted with butter. I KNOW I'm addicted to Sunkist Orange Soda. I've never had any desire to smoke, use drugs or drink alcohol--I have enough family members who do those things. I could very easily be addicted to Chik-Fil-A, but I had to go cold turkey on that when I moved up here. I could literally eat it for every meal and be quite happy. I'm also addicted to Krispy Kreme donuts, so I have to stay away from them.

Like Ben, I also have an addiction to compact discs. I re-organized my collection last week. It took nearly two and half hours to get through the showtunes alone. I have so many that I've created a database in my computer to keep track of them. According to my files, I have close to 400 cast recordings. Of those 400, SIX of them are various versions of LES MISERABLES. It's a sickness...truly.

And now my REAL votes for my favorite theatre songs of the 21st Century: Pretty much ANYTHING by John Bucchino (he's such a sweet man and a wonderful composer/lyricist), but especially "Temporary" and "If I Ever Say I'm Over You;" "Letting You Go" and "All the Wasted Time" by Jason Robert Brown; "Everyone's A Little Bit Racist" by the AVENUE Q guys; "Defying Gravity" by Stephen Schwartz; "Lot's Wife" (Tanya Pinkins' Effie White moment) from CAROLINE, OR CHANGE; "The Vocalise Overture" from AMOUR; and "The Streets of Dublin" from A MAN OF NO IMPORTANCE. I'm sure there are others that I can't think of right now...especially some of Marcy & Zina's material, but I don't know when they were written...
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Post by: Matt H. on May 20, 2004, 07:57:59 AM
Cheered by last night's AMERICAN IDOL results. The two best voices of the remaining three will be in the finals. That's as it should be. And how ironic that they faced off against each other in Round 1 of the semifinals. Fantasia came in first in the voting then and Diana second. I think Diana's imrpoved greatly since then, but song choice is everything. They announced on Wednesday's show that Tamyra Gray (4th place finisher from season 1) had written a song that both women will perform on Tuesday night. Don't know about the other choices.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 07:58:21 AM
Re: last night's American Idol results

I wasn't surprised.  Usually after an upset, the next week's votes are not surprises.

I am actually quite happy with the two finalists (although I don't love either of them like I liked Clay last year).

Anybody else though find it interesting that these two were the two winners from week one.  And they were the two the judges were talking about before the competition even began.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 08:02:04 AM
DR MattH, looks like we were making the same point at the same time. :)
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Post by: JoseSPiano on May 20, 2004, 08:02:06 AM
Good Morning!

Addictions... I guess the only thing I'm sort of addicted to is sugar... usually combined with cocoa... in the form of chocolate.  Other than that... Being the son of a registered dietitian, I never really got on a soda kick once I realized a regular can of soda was equivalent to eating about 11 teaspoons of sugar.  -Thankfully, I like most diet versions of soda - Diet Cherry Coke being my current fave, oh, and Fresca.

I've never "understood" smoking - just too smelly and messy to me.  And I've also never understood drinking alcohol for the sole purpose of getting drunk, plastered, passing out, etc.  I do a lot of work with college kids, and it saddens me when I overhear that their plans for the weekend include a case or two of beer and/or a few bottles of liquor.  "Hey, aren't you guys under the age of 21?!!?"  And I'm getting tired of seeing "cute pics" of kids in high school(!) holding beer cans and/or shot glasses and looking quite "happy".  "And you really think you look attractive when you're drunk?!??!"

As for 21st Century theatre songs... Besides, "Everyone's A Little Bit Racist" from Avenue Q, I also like "It's a Fine, Fine Line" and "It Sucks To Be Me".  And Ann Harada's performance of "The More You Ruv Someone" is one of my favorite performances of the 21st century so far.

And DR Noel is correct - There is a ton of work that is very praise-worthy, very good, that just does not get produced.  And, consequently, does not get to be seen and heard by the public.  I wish there was an easy fix to this situation - well, maybe winning the lottery could be considered one - but there isn't.  I have a few composer/lyricist friends in NYC and elsewhere, and they are continually plugging away trying to get their work into a venue bigger than their apartment.  The key is just trying to make sure the "innate" frustration of the business does not overshadow the love and care of the craft.  Success comes in many shapes and sizes.

Well, I have a matinee in two hours... So...

Laters...

Oh, and FYI - still no Bookworm for me!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on May 20, 2004, 08:10:40 AM
OH!  I guess I am sort of addicted to TV... Well, "Trading Spaces", "In a Fix", "While You Were Out" (especially when Jason Cameron is the carpenter!).... and "Food 911" and "Good Eats"...
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Post by: Panni on May 20, 2004, 08:18:26 AM
Jay, I've just sent you a PM. (No, he's not assisting the spawn of the big D.)
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Post by: Ben on May 20, 2004, 08:19:57 AM
Yes, even though it doesn't "suck to be me", that song is another one of my faves in the new Millennium.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Jay on May 20, 2004, 08:24:13 AM
Jay, I've just sent you a PM. (No, he's not assisting the spawn of the big D.)

And I have responded, Dear Daughter of the Devil.














Just kidding, OK?   ;)
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Matt H. on May 20, 2004, 08:24:39 AM
I'll be having trouble with the theater song question because I liked songs from A MAN OF NO IMPORTANCE, AMOUR, URINETOWN, HAIRSPRAY, but I didn't play and play those cast albums enough to get the songs ingrained in my head. Once through and on to another CD. The only new show I've played relentlessly in the last couple of years was WICKED, and naturally there are several songs in it that I really, really liked.

Bottom line: I need to replay just about every cast CD I've bought in the last three years to be able to answer this question, and even though I'm retired, I sure don't have the time for that.
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Post by: Matt H. on May 20, 2004, 08:26:00 AM
Yes, Jennifer, that was very funny we were noticing the same ironic situation in re Fantasia and Diana.

But I remember Paula telling Fantasia the night she sang in that first round that she was a star and a winner even then.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Ben on May 20, 2004, 08:39:53 AM
Well, we need to move this discussion to page 2. Here's my effort.
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Post by: Ben on May 20, 2004, 08:40:17 AM
To quote BK

"And one for Mahler"
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Post by: Panni on May 20, 2004, 08:48:45 AM
I'm still mulling over what to say about GLOOMY SUNDAY. It was certainly a treat to see Budapest so lovingly shot -- what a gloriously beautiful city. And the leading lady, Erika Marozsan, was stunning to look at - and there was a lot of her to look at. The film took place in Budapest in the 1940's, but the characters spoke German. Some of the actors were Hungarian, others German. Miss Marozsan spoke German with a cute Hungarian accent. The film couldn't quite decide whether it was a JULES ET JIM sort of sophisticated love triangle, a melodrama, a black comedy or a tragedy. And the ending suddenly made it into something else altogether -- although I must confess I rather enjoyed the ending. I have to say that a propos of the TOD, the film is quite addictive in a rich chocolate mode. I heard the people in front of me saying that it was their third time seeing it. And it played in New Zealand for over a year. (Perhaps it's just Miss Marozsan's rather spectacular - and unaugmented -  breasts.) The song GLOOMY SUNDAY is played and played (various versions are cited in the end credits, including Artie Shaw's). The film would have you believe that suicide is quite the thing in Hungary - and that's true in a way. I know a number of people who went that way. Including my mother's fiance - which although tragic for him - he killed himself on the way to concentration camp - is lucky for me, or  it would be some other Panni writing this.
Well... I didn't mean to get heavy here or to write a novel.  Would i recommend the movie? Yes. To everyone? No.
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Post by: Matt H. on May 20, 2004, 09:03:29 AM
I've got CONCORDE: AIRPORT '79 to finish up this afternoon and then some things I recorded off of TV last night: ENTERPRISE (which is coming back next year albeit at 9 p.m. on Friday) and a rerun of MONK which I don't think I saw during first run. The description didn't ring a bell, so I'll start it, and if it's familiar, I can easily delete it.

Then, I haven't decided whether I'm going with THE GREAT DICTATOR which I had on tap yesterday or whether to crack open my MICKEY MOUSE IN LIVING COLOR II tin. Or something else.
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Post by: bk on May 20, 2004, 09:34:47 AM
First of all, may I just say where in tarnation IS everyone?  

Second of all: dear reader Jennifer, if it's in Liz Smith's column it is simply not true.  It is a press agent planting a story to keep the client's name in the papers.  That's why the word "gossip" is in your link.
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Post by: bk on May 20, 2004, 09:39:51 AM
Oh, one other minor little addiction I had - when I was in college I used Vick's Inhaler, man.  Originally to clear up my stuffy nose, but then I just kept on using it, probably for a year.  Not too addictive, though, as I just stopped and had no withdrawal whatsoever.

Oh, and I'd say that being a collectaholic is a major addiction.
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 20, 2004, 09:45:16 AM
Oh well if you include collecting - as did MBARNUM as well - well then...put me in the program.
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 20, 2004, 09:45:36 AM
DRMATTH there is a movie you have had for a LONG time that you haven't watched yet.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 10:06:43 AM
Does anyone know what to do about ants?  I was totally disgusted this morning to find a bunch in my empty cereal bowl. Yuck, yuck, yuck! :(
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Post by: Jason on May 20, 2004, 10:10:50 AM
I believe there are ant "traps" that work much the same way as a roach motel...the ants eat the poison and they pass it on to the other ants. I *think*...I don't know for sure. Just don't do bug bombs near your food, cookware, dinnerware or eating utensils. That's bad, bad, bad.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 10:17:53 AM
I have these round circular things that are called ant traps.  IT says there is peanut butter in them. But I don't know if they work.

I put one on the kitchen counter where I found all those ants.

What are bug bombs?

I feel just sick thinking about it.  I have the picture of the ants in my head now and it is making me sick.
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Post by: Panni on May 20, 2004, 10:22:04 AM
TOD - I think HHW is an addiction for me. (A nice one, but an addiction.) I spend far too much time on it. As for others, in college and when I was an actress I was addicted to Bridge Mixture chocolates eaten in conjunction with Licorice Allsorts. Had to have them in the house or touring hotel at all times, even if I didn't touch them. If I was touring with a show, got back to the hotel and realized I didn't have them, I'd go searching for some all night store in whatever strange city I was in.
When I was pregnant I became addicted to playing a handheld version of Mario Brothers in which they stacked things onto a cart of some kind. I played it for hours on end. It was totally mindless and stupid -- and I couldn't stop.
A variation on this topic - then I must stop posting and do things - when I was young - from about age 8 until maybe 16, I had this strange thing happen... I would suddenly start hearing things in a very distinct rhytm. Hard to explain... I'd be sitting in school, writing a test, and suddenly everything, the scraping of the pen on the paper, the teacher's footsteps walking around the room, the ticking of the clock, my breathing - they'd all have the same beat. As if the universe had a beat that only I could hear. It was very unnerving. It would pass after a few minutes - and I never knew when it would come on, but it was weird and unsettling. Of course, I never told anyone about it because I thought they'd make fun of me, or worse. And then it went away and has never come back.
I see dead people....
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Post by: TCB on May 20, 2004, 10:30:55 AM
Well, either this is the purest group of people on the internet, or the biggest group of liars.  I was surprised to see that no one had admitted to being addicted to American Idol, Survivor, or reality television in general.  Oh well.

I, on the other hand, have an addictive personality.  I have been addicted to cigarettes, alcohol, and amphetamines at one time or another during my lifetime.  Cigarettes were the last of those addictions to get control of, and that was nine years ago.  I also, will freely admit to being addicted to acting.  I can’t imagine life without  my life upon the wicked stage being a major part of it.  Many of the people I have dated over the years probably have wished that I had sought help for that addiction, but I have no desire to recover from my addiction to my art and I hope I never do.

I must confess to one other addiction.  It is fairly new, extremely powerful, and like acting, no attempt has been made to control it or to recover from its power over me.  I will freely admit to being addicted to HHW and to all of the wonderful members who post here.  I can’t imagine a day going by without thinking, worrying, caring and sharing with all of you.  If they ever come up with a Twelve-Step program for this website, I will avoid it at all costs.   I can’t think of a more positive or enriching addiction to my life than HHW.


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Post by: Jrand73 on May 20, 2004, 10:58:19 AM
DRPANNI - see Patty Duke in BILLIE to understand The Beat.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 10:59:21 AM
Re: addictions

Never tried a cigarette.  And I really cannot stand smoke in general.  It makes me physically sick.  Last week, while at a party at a restaurant (in the non-smoking section) I started feeling really sick.  I could tell someone was smoking, but wondered how (since it was the non-smoking section).  Sure enough I got up from my seat and there was someone smoking in the section right above me.

It's sort of problematic to be so sensitive to smoke.  

As for being addicted to reality tv, I don't know if addicted is the right word.  I like American Idol, but I certainly don't count down the minutes until it is on.

I think the one true thing I am addicted to right now would be a guy! :)
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 20, 2004, 11:03:00 AM

Even though it's not Wednesday, Noel and Elmore, I wonder, do you have the same kind of creative control issues (or even different creative control issues) as Charles and Panni mentioned yesterday (in relation to my question about why playwrights have more control over their work than screenwriters).


DRBen,  I have no control over what's done to my work usually; in theatre work, it constantly changes shape as the production develops and I'm under the control of the MD, who's usually under the thumb of the director/choreographer.  On OH KAY! at Goodspeed, I scored the opening number four times because the choreographer and director kept playing with the number.  I finally told them if they wanted another go at it, they had to bring in someone else, and they did!    

When my reconstruction of JUBILEE was done at Carnegie Hall, Herb Ross - know some might like him, but he's no friend of mine - felt nothing about about ordering the musical director to make changes in my work, most of which I felt had more to do with putting his hand in than respecting what Cole Porter wrote.  Most interestingly he ignored my casting suggestions to the producers of the benefit because they weren't "Stars" - among them Karen Ziemba, Kristin Chenoweth,  David Elder, and Greg Louganis for the Johnny Weismuller role - and he never once spoke to me.    

On my first album THE SONGS OF NEW YORK for Book-of-the-Month Club, Joe Papp sang "Don't Monkey With Broadway" and he was out of town until the day before the session, so I scored it in a key suggested by whoever it was who played for Joe, then John McGlinn called me after rehearsing with Papp and asked me to lower it a step because it was too high.  All the parts were copied a step lower, Joe came to the session, decided the key was too low and it was recorded with the band transposing back up a step.  The problem was that a lot of piano was lost because it was too chromatic to be transposed at sight quick enough for the  schedule.   If Joe Papp had been charming at the session, I might not have minded it, but he was difficult, and I don't think the scoring came off as well as it could have.

The truth of the matter is, in recording, I'm there to serve the singer, make hm or her look good, and keep the producer happy.  However, in every musical job, I'm subservient to the conductor, composer, if he's around, and the producer.  I'd rather butt heads in rehearsal than the session because I feel it's pretty much frozen by that point, but thinking fast on your feet is always a valuable asset, and I'm pretty good at it.

Often I'll hear tracks from a session I couldn't make in London and find the concept changed in the studio without my involvement and it can be frustrating:  you're often praised or damned for work you didn't do.

So enough of my kvetching about control.  The TOD is interesting, and I have several addictions, the newest being HHW, the worst being shopping, especially on eBay.  Beyond that, I'm practically perfect!

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Post by: William E. Lurie on May 20, 2004, 11:10:09 AM
JRand - I guess SUSAN SLEPT HERE was censored because of the possibility of Debbie losing her viginity.  It was the use of the word "virgin" toat got THE MOON IS BLUE censored.

Jennifer - I posted both the Queen Latifah and the Antonio Banderas stories yesterday.  Latifah was strictly a rumor and her agents have denied it; apparently there was some kernal of truth to the Banderas story which was in Michael Reidel's column, not Liz Smith's.
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Post by: William E. Lurie on May 20, 2004, 11:15:59 AM
Elmore---
Was that the JUBILEE with Bea Arthur, Michael Jeter, Damien Woetzel etc.?  I remember enjoying it a lot, but what stays in my memory is that they decided to do it without the ubiquitous black books and Sandy Duncan kept messing up the lyrics to familar Porter songs while everyone else remembered every word of the lesser known gems.

I love the BOMC "Songs of New York".  I have to transfer my cassette copy to CD.  Did you do all the arrangements and/or orchestrations, or only some? There is probably enough material available for a second set.  Do you have any idea how well it sold?
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 20, 2004, 11:25:59 AM
Forgot to say thanks to DRELMORE for his efforts....

DR WEL - I first saw SUSAN SLEPT HERE when Frances Farmer showed it on her program one fine afternoon!  LOL...I thought Anne Francis was sexier - and of course being about 10 years old didn't understand the problem with Debbie spending the night!
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Post by: bk on May 20, 2004, 11:34:44 AM
I think haineshisway.com is a good addiction because it involves being with good people and has good vibes.  There is no spending too much time her.

Ants: Kill the suckers.  Knife 'em.  Shoot 'em in the back.  (Name that film).

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Post by: bk on May 20, 2004, 11:35:15 AM
And may I just say, where in tarnation IS everyone?  I suspect we'll need more food topics soon.
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Post by: TCB on May 20, 2004, 11:39:00 AM
I think that the ban on MOON IS BLUE, probably helped the film's box office.  The film itself is really pretty dreary, but a lot of people flocked to see it just because it was condemned by the Church.  If you don't think it works that way, just check the receipts for PASSION OF CHRIST.
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 20, 2004, 11:40:18 AM
Elmore---
Was that the JUBILEE with Bea Arthur, Michael Jeter, Damien Woetzel etc.?  I remember enjoying it a lot, but what stays in my memory is that they decided to do it without the ubiquitous black books and Sandy Duncan kept messing up the lyrics to familar Porter songs while everyone else remembered every word of the lesser known gems.

Yes, DRWEL. it was!  Damien was the only suggestion of mine they listened to; I gave all my casting suggestions from Goodspeed, where I was doing REDHEAD, via phone to the producers and Todd Ellison, who passed them on to Mr Ross.  I think it was the City Ballet position that gave Mr Ross the interest, and I thought Damien was wonderful.  I had to rescore Bea Arthur's solo "Swimming," and I thought she was fine, but I would have preferred Carole Shelley, Maggie Smith, someone a bit more British, and I liked Michael Jeter.  Tyne daly and Alice Ripley were wonderful, but Sandy Duncan was a disaster (had to rescore "Begin the Beguine" for her), and she went on record in the publicity saying that Alice should be snging it!  So she never learned it.
Todd Ellison was a wonderful MD, as always, and there were some marvelous things about it, including Mr Ross's direction.  I still think he's a pig.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 11:44:43 AM
Jennifer - I posted both the Queen Latifah and the Antonio Banderas stories yesterday.  Latifah was strictly a rumor and her agents have denied it; apparently there was some kernal of truth to the Banderas story which was in Michael Reidel's column, not Liz Smith's.

Sorry, I must have missed it.  Although I did happen to notice you sent it to the cast recording list (i noticed it just after i posted here, which was sort of weird).
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 20, 2004, 11:50:48 AM
I love the BOMC "Songs of New York".  I have to transfer my cassette copy to CD.  Did you do all the arrangements and/or orchestrations, or only some? There is probably enough material available for a second set.  Do you have any idea how well it sold?

I forgot to answer your other inquiry!  I only did a few of the arrangements; John McGlinn tended to stick me with turn-of-the-century things and assign 20s and 30s stuff to Russel Warner, who's both a wonderful friend and brilliant musician.   McGlinn takes credit for a couple of the arrangements, and Dennis Deal did the "I Love New York" theme song for a Manhattan Transfer type of group.The only thing I did that was written after 1912 for the album was the big band "Don't Monkey With Broadway," which was literally at the last minute when Joe agreed to sing it.  I don't know where the master tapes are, but I do know Book-of-the-Month Club no longer offers it.  I have no idea of sales.  My one memory of the reviews is that Didier Deutsch missed the point of the songs being done in the style of the time they were written.

Since then, I've seen only one set of CDs for sale on eBay and I've never seen them offered in any remainder catalogue.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 11:54:04 AM
Noooo more food topics! :)

Btw, one post 2000 song i sing constantly is "Popular" (WICKED).
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 11:56:42 AM
Speaking of theatre and musicals, it has been a while since I have seen a musical in Montreal.  But this Sunday I am going to see the French mega-musical, DON JUAN, and I cannot wait.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 12:23:40 PM
Hip Hooray and Yowzah!  I'm going back to the world of the wage slave!

More later, have errands to run before I can tell tales!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D 8)
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Post by: MBarnum on May 20, 2004, 12:26:45 PM
Picked up a DVD this weekend that a couple of DRs might be interested in. It is a special edition of DESTROY ALL MONSTERS. It has not only the movie but a cd with the original film score. Very nice! I love the music from those Japanese Godzilla films and even though this is not my favorite of the big G's films I do enjoy the music!

It would be nice if more DVDs would come with a separate soundtrack. Nifty idea I think.
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Post by: Ben on May 20, 2004, 12:37:51 PM
PUSH >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[/size] to Page 3 (We'll still need two more after this. We can't disappoint our leader, now can we>)
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Post by: Ben on May 20, 2004, 12:39:12 PM
Goodbye Dance for Page 2

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Post by: Ben on May 20, 2004, 12:40:20 PM
Hello Dance for Page 3

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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 12:50:35 PM
Congrats to DR S. Woody White!
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Post by: Panni on May 20, 2004, 12:50:43 PM
******Congrats on your return to slavery, SWW!*****
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Post by: William E. Lurie on May 20, 2004, 12:51:09 PM
BK - Weren't you supposed to bounce your ideas off on us today about the BOUNCE CD?

Jennifer - I just discovered I was wrong about BOMBAY DREAMS.  Some of the music IS pre-recorded and not even with the current Broadway cast, but with the London Cast recorded two years ago!  Why do people complain with a pre-recorded or synthasized orchestra but not a pre-recorded actor?
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 12:51:33 PM
DR Ben, is that a line dance? :)
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Post by: Panni on May 20, 2004, 12:52:59 PM
TCB - I found your remarks about your (our) HHW addiction very moving. What a nice place this is!
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Post by: bk on May 20, 2004, 12:56:50 PM
Still listening to Bounce and will have a full report tomorrow.

Juliana's Journal, The Final Countdown is up and running and will have a new entry daily as soon as she catches up.  It's not in the usual place - it was too difficult to put it there, so on our discussion board right here there is a new section (just below Daily Discussions).  Just click on it and off you will be whisked to Julianaland.
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 20, 2004, 12:58:25 PM
DR SWW, welcome back to the world of employment, the time clock, and all the joys of making money!  Congrats!  Kudos!

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This gives me a chance to see if I learned anything from DR George's kind help.
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 20, 2004, 12:58:54 PM
I guess the answer is No!
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 01:08:34 PM
Jennifer - I just discovered I was wrong about BOMBAY DREAMS.  Some of the music IS pre-recorded and not even with the current Broadway cast, but with the London Cast recorded two years ago!  Why do people complain with a pre-recorded or synthasized orchestra but not a pre-recorded actor?

Maybe it's a different style of musical?

I could tell by the number on GMA that it wasn't lip-synched like a regular # on tv.

Plus they said something about Bollywood movies and how the numbers are always lip-synched (maybe DR MBarnum can help us here).

It was just so very bizarre.  Because it wasn't all out lip-synching.  It was more like they were barely mouthing the words.  Nobody would have thought they were actually singing.

And after seeing it, I was just really wondering if all the numbers in the show are like that.

Do you have any idea (or does anybody) if there are still a lot of songs sung live?
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Post by: Jane on May 20, 2004, 01:10:38 PM
TCB - I found your remarks about your (our) HHW addiction very moving. What a nice place this is!

I agree!

Panni I also had a good laugh at your morning post.  You have interesting addictions. :)
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Post by: Jane on May 20, 2004, 01:14:16 PM
Congratulations SWW.   Hope you find great pleasure in your new job.
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Post by: Matt H. on May 20, 2004, 01:18:58 PM
DR Jrand, so very true, but as I told you before and will repeat again, I have STACKS of DVDs on my kitchen counter that MUST be winnowed down before I'll even think of watching a videotape. So, you're going to have to be patient. Believe me, when I watch the rest of that tape, I'll post my thoughts here immediately upon completion.

Didn't get anything new on DVD watched yet today. Took all afternoon watching the rest of the abysmal CONDORDE: AIRPORT '79 (though very funny because it's not supposed to be funny), MONK, and ENTERPRISE. Later this afternoon/early evening will probably be THE LAST OF SHEILA.

Once the regular TV season is over, and I'm not giving hours of each evening to new TV programs, I can concentrate on getting control of that stack of DVDs.
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Post by: Matt H. on May 20, 2004, 01:21:57 PM
I'll get that George Eads picture up sometime today. I scanned it yesterday but the file is on another computer. I couldn't put it up yesterday because when I tried was when the site was giving problems yesterday afternoon.
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Post by: Jane on May 20, 2004, 01:39:28 PM
Talking about addictions made me go on a hunt for chocolate, an addiction I finally have under control-most of the time.  :) Alas there was none so I settled for a little Haagen-Dazs coffee ice cream.  I like sweets way too much.

When I was twelve my sister introduced me to liquor and Newport cigarettes.   Very quickly I found myself addicted to the cigarettes, an addiction that is very difficult when you are twelve and have to sneak to have one.  I also knew it was stupid, plus I’m allergic to the smoke, and gave them up.  But for years and I mean years, if someone were smoking a Newport I would sometimes have one.  This would only happen less than once a year but I continued to crave them for a long time.

My biggest addiction was to Pepsi.  First thing in the morning I had to have some and during the day there was almost always an open can of Pepsi nearby.  If I didn’t have my Pepsi I would go through withdrawal.  Now I don’t drink soda at all.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 01:43:24 PM
DR Jane: I love sweets too! :)

BK, I read Juliana's journal. Can you remind us to read them (since it's not in a place I would normally check, I might forget).

Btw, are there still some entries before these current ones?
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Post by: PennyO on May 20, 2004, 01:52:46 PM
Howdy, gang!

Addictions: hoooo-boy, the one that's got me 'til death do us part is caffeine. Gotta have that blast in the morning, or I'm worthless. I have had this particular primate on my back for over 40 years. One time, oh, about 20 years ago in Los Angeles I successfully got clean for nearly a year. It took ten horrid days of withdrawal - sleeping, weeping, sumbitch headache, but I did get off that drug. One dry rehearsal during a heat wave a year later, and I bought a Diet Coke from the vending machine. Kabing! That's all it took.

21st Century musicals, songs from? I'll still pick Quando M'En Vo' from Puccini's Boheme, thanks.

More later...
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Post by: Jane on May 20, 2004, 01:55:09 PM
Penny did you receive the important email I sent?
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Post by: TCB on May 20, 2004, 01:59:24 PM
Congratulations, SWW!

I hope that you won’t let work interfere with your posting!

Thank you, Panni and Jane, for your kind words.  I do feel so close to all of you.
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Post by: TCB on May 20, 2004, 02:01:54 PM
Howdy, gang!



21st Century musicals, songs from? I'll still pick Quando M'En Vo' from Puccini's Boheme, thanks.


Is Puccini still plunking out those tunes, PennyO?



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Post by: Jane on May 20, 2004, 02:04:14 PM
I just read the, for me, very special Juliana’s Journal.  I wish I could go to the Ahmanson and see the show.  Keith always sets the radio to K-Earth 101 when we are in town.

Now I must control this HWW addiction and get some work done. ;D
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Post by: bk on May 20, 2004, 02:20:10 PM
I will remind, but when you log on to the discussion board it's right there and will always have a new "topic" each day a new post happens.  As to other posts, I'm afraid that whatever's up is up as far as the old link.  
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 02:32:43 PM
I will remind, but when you log on to the discussion board it's right there and will always have a new "topic" each day a new post happens.  

I think a lot of people only go to the discussion portion once a day, I know I do.
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Post by: Panni on May 20, 2004, 02:33:33 PM
I just read Juliana's Journal. I actually wasn't planning to see Millie, but now I feel sort of disloyal to HHW if I don't! Plus Juliana's excitement at being here is contagious. Very sweet. Maybe I'll just see it on the spur of the moment.
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Post by: TCB on May 20, 2004, 02:46:23 PM
I just read Juliana's Journal. I actually wasn't planning to see Millie, but now I feel sort of disloyal to HHW if I don't! Plus Juliana's excitement at being here is contagious. Very sweet. Maybe I'll just see it on the spur of the moment.

It would be better to see it at a theater.


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Post by: Jane on May 20, 2004, 02:52:42 PM
I just quickly click on discussions and might not remember to look for her journal.  But I'm sure you will remind us Bruce.  :)

TCB you are so funny. :D
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Post by: MBarnum on May 20, 2004, 03:20:25 PM
DR Jennifer,
Yes they do lip sinc in Bollywood movies in the same way that they do in American musicals. Most of the time the actor or actress on screen is not the one belonging to the singing voice. In Indian films they have people called "playback singers" (and that is how they are credited in the credits of the movie) and they dub the singing voices in the 800 or so movies that are made yearly in India. Many of the playback singers are just as popular as the more famous Bollywood actors/actresses. One singer, Lata Mangaskar holds the title as the most recorded singer in the world (she has been dubbing singing voices in movies since the late 1940s I believe, and continues to do so even today although not quite as often).
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Post by: Jason on May 20, 2004, 03:21:11 PM
Re. BOMBAY DREAMS: The only song in the show that is, to my knowledge, lip-synched, is "Shakalaka Baby." Reason being, during the number they are literally dancing in thirty-foot water fountains, therefore rendering their wireless microphones unusable, not to mention the fact that the conductor has to step away from his podium and cover his music stand with plastic to keep his score dry because BOY! does that water fly, and I believe most of the orchestra cleared the pit as well. The "Shakalaka Baby" used on Broadway is, in fact, from the Original London Cast Recording. I believe the song was a hit before the show opened and was shoe-horned in, so it is entirely possible that they're just using the track that was played on the radio. They do make sure to work the lip-synching into the script with a line explaining that they use pre-recorded tracks in Bollywood films. Once the number is over, practically everyone onstage leaves and changes out of their wet things, which provides the opportunity to put their mics back on, and a plethora of stage hands come out in costume and mop up the floors during the next scene. It was a fascinating number to watch in the theatre--I couldn't believe I was actually seeing what I was seeing.
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Post by: William E. Lurie on May 20, 2004, 03:26:01 PM
By the way, with all the musical comedy fans here at HHW (note I didn't say "show queens") I'm surprised nobody realized what today is.  It's the 20th of May: Liza Doolittle Day!
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Post by: Jason on May 20, 2004, 03:26:32 PM
I guess I should explain further...in the "Shakalaka Baby" number, they're "filming" the wet sari number for a movie and you hear the director yell out, "Cue playback!" BEEP--BEEP--BEEP and the music starts. That's how it all fits into the show. True to form, there are a lot of random production numbers..."Shakalaka" is the flashiest of them.
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Post by: Tomovoz on May 20, 2004, 03:30:35 PM
DR WEL: I look forward to reading and enjoying  your reviews but think I may have missed one. Did you review the "YES" concert?
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Post by: bk on May 20, 2004, 03:35:10 PM
I will remind, but just know there will be new entries daily until she leaves the show.

I got a lovely surprise from dear reader MBarnum.  Thanks, can't wait to watch.
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Post by: Panni on May 20, 2004, 03:46:09 PM
From now on I shall greet one and all with "Shakalaka, baby!"
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Post by: Panni on May 20, 2004, 03:51:35 PM
                   PAGE FOUR!


                                 SHAKALAKA, BABY!
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Post by: Jed on May 20, 2004, 03:51:46 PM
Hello all.  Currently enjoying our second thunderstorm in as many days here in central Washington.  Loves me a good thunderstorm.  Today's not as heavy as yesterday's, though... yesterday was a biblical deluge for a little while... quite fun.

As for the topic d'jour, I don't have an addictive personality.  If anything, I'll go on binges on something or another for a couple days or weeks at a time, but then that's it.
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Post by: MBarnum on May 20, 2004, 03:52:45 PM
Yes, "Shakalaka Baby" is a popular song from a fairly current Bollywood movie...can't recall which one at the moment but I do have the CD soundtrack that it is on.

I have not heard the soundtrack to Bombay Dreams yet so I don't know if any of the other music is Bollywood like or not. A lot of people don't seem to like it but I understand it is being revamped.

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Post by: Jed on May 20, 2004, 03:55:36 PM
I finally caught up with the DVD of Camp last night.  Having heard so much about it (mostly good, some bad) over the past year, I was rather interested to see it.  My reaction... blecch.  A few nice little moments, sure, but all in all, I found it to be a rather uninspired movie that I have no desire to see again.  I normally don't buy movies unless I've already seen them, but this was on a bargain rack so I took a shot... learned my lesson there.  Oh well, my sister will probably enjoy it, so I think I inadvertantly bought her birthday present a couple weeks in advance! :D
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Post by: Panni on May 20, 2004, 03:56:28 PM
Mea culpa. I was one "ka" short on shakalaka - but have rectified the egregious error.
(me culpa shakalaka -- nice beat!)
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Post by: Jed on May 20, 2004, 04:44:11 PM
Tarnation?
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Post by: Jennifer on May 20, 2004, 05:04:10 PM
DR Jason, "Shakalaka Baby" was the number they performed on Good Morning America.  Thanks so much for clearing everything up.
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on May 20, 2004, 05:25:55 PM
Tarnation?


Without it, our lives would be as shaky as a fiddler on the roof.
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Post by: Panni on May 20, 2004, 05:33:51 PM
Without it, our lives would be as shaky as a fiddler on the roof.

Funny.

Speaking of tarnation, where in ... is everybody? It's 5:30 PST. Do you know where your posters are?

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Post by: Jane on May 20, 2004, 05:57:28 PM
I was eating dinner.  
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Post by: Jane on May 20, 2004, 05:58:51 PM
Dan-in-toronto, cute. :D
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on May 20, 2004, 06:05:26 PM
Addictive personalities?

I have some very close friends. The wife has cancer, the husband smokes like a chimney. He makes an effort to smoke in another room, but they're in an apartment and all the rooms are connected by vents. They're deeply in love. She says he can't help himself - he has an addictive personality (and emphysema).

Not that I should talk. My partner, the sweetest guy in the world, has an addictive personality. I may worry, but there's nothing I can say.

Me? I go a little nuts when it comes to mangoes. I once turned a shade of orange. But that's about it. Okay, persimmons too.
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Post by: TCB on May 20, 2004, 06:12:05 PM
Wherre in tarnation is td today?  I was rather curious what addictions he might have.
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Post by: TCB on May 20, 2004, 06:14:49 PM
I finally caught up with the DVD of Camp last night.  Having heard so much about it (mostly good, some bad) over the past year, I was rather interested to see it.  My reaction... blecch.  A few nice little moments, sure, but all in all, I found it to be a rather uninspired movie that I have no desire to see again.  I normally don't buy movies unless I've already seen them, but this was on a bargain rack so I took a shot... learned my lesson there.  Oh well, my sister will probably enjoy it, so I think I inadvertantly bought her birthday present a couple weeks in advance! :D


Why son, you mean lust is not considered an addiction?
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Post by: Jane on May 20, 2004, 06:39:21 PM
Dan-in-Toronto, are your friends young?  That is sad.

So true, you can’t do anything about it.  My aunt had emphysema and didn’t stop smoking until she went on oxygen.
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Post by: François de Paris on May 20, 2004, 07:05:14 PM
Thank you very much, dear kimlets, for all your wishes on my Bday!

Did not do anything special to celebrate apart from going to the movies at 9:00 am and the choice was:

Starsky & Hutch, the movie or,
Troy.

I did not feel like watching men in skirts -- even though one of them is Brad Pitt, so I opted for the light fluffy stuff...

It made me feel like a teenager -- again?! -- which might have been what I was looking for...

Now, the night before, I treated myself to theater -- I love theater and I wish my budget would allow me to go there more often...

Saw a French adaptation of Driving Miss Daisy -- with a cast of a thousand!!
Very enjoyable; I had fond memories of the great film adaptation... The only rub is that our Daisy is mostly known for being a comedian -- she even was the French voice for Miss Piggy from Muppet Show fame -- and, even though her acting was good, I kept expecting her to be funny! Wrong casting, I guess... at least in my opinion.

The actor playing her son, a sort of French Stubby Kaye, was just perfect, and the black fellow was also right on!

Addiction(s)?

Oh, like most of you here, I love to buy cd's, and my place is turning into a music shop! I buy around 6 or 7 new titles per week, at second-hand stores though, and also get stuff for other Dear Readers of this site to exchange...

Well, I second whoever said that Dear Reader TCB's first post was quite moving. Like Dear Reader SWW when he talks about dogs, or Dear Reader Jose when he expressed once what HHW meant to him, you sure have a way with words Mr TCB.....
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Post by: Jane on May 20, 2004, 07:14:04 PM
François de Paris thanks for the birthday update.  I was wondering.  Two days of celebrating is nice.  Was that an error or are your movie theaters really open at nine in the morning?
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Post by: Jed on May 20, 2004, 07:15:45 PM
Why son, you mean lust is not considered an addiction?

Ha!  Good point... maybe I am an addict after all.  Hard part is getting the others to share my addiction. :D  Also, as many others have said, I am rather addicted to this little web community we have here.  Even on days when I may not post (or very rarely don't read for the day), there is always a time or two during the day when I think of some person, topic, whatever, pertaining to HHW.

As for the recent HHW addiction-of-choice, I just played my first game of the dreaded Bookworm.  Scored 242,240 which placed me in the Archivist category.  Best word was "taverner" for 3,000 points.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: elmore3003 on May 20, 2004, 07:23:33 PM

 Do you know where your posters are?


Yes, DR Panni, I do know where they are:  hanging on my walls!
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Jed on May 20, 2004, 07:28:31 PM
Yes, DR Panni, I do know where they are:  hanging on my walls!

Must... not... groan!!!
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Jane on May 20, 2004, 07:40:17 PM
 ;D
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: bk on May 20, 2004, 07:53:15 PM
Jed: Totally agree on Camp.

Now, might I just ask where in tarnation IS everyone?  Things have slowed to a crawl, man, and I need more posts, man, because I've got a hainsie/kimlet on my back, man, and just what does everyone think they're doing with this unseemly errant and truant behavior?  Feed my addiction people.

Just back from having a sandwich with our very own Tammy Minoff.  She sends her love to one and all and also all and one.
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Post by: bk on May 20, 2004, 07:56:23 PM
And one for Mahler.  And may I just say that my Sky High Corned Beef sandwich was appalling?  Jerry's Deli, ladies and germs, on their way to oblivion.  The sky high is corned beef on rye with Russian dressing and cole slaw on the sandwich.  I kid you not when I tell you that a) the rye bread was cut so thin it fell apart, b) that there was one STRAND of cole slaw (literally) on each half of the sandwich, and such a small amount of Russian dressing you couldn't even see it.  The waiter, rather than taking it back, simply brought me some cole slaw and Russian dressing so I could make the sandwich myself.  If I'd wished to do that I would have bought the ingrediants to go.  Damn them, damn them all to hell.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 08:06:45 PM
I am a chocoholic, and find most days I must have my fix...Thankfully, it doesn't take much to satisfy me, but I end up having a little something chocolate just about every day.
I suppose the "Chololat" section of the American in Paris ballet wouldn't be substantial enough.  And after a while you'd crave variety.

 :-\
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Jay on May 20, 2004, 08:10:08 PM
And one for Mahler.  And may I just say that my Sky High Corned Beef sandwich was appalling?  Jerry's Deli, ladies and germs, on their way to oblivion.  The sky high is corned beef on rye with Russian dressing and cole slaw on the sandwich.  I kid you not when I tell you that a) the rye bread was cut so thin it fell apart, b) that there was one STRAND of cole slaw (literally) on each half of the sandwich, and such a small amount of Russian dressing you couldn't even see it.  The waiter, rather than taking it back, simply brought me some cole slaw and Russian dressing so I could make the sandwich myself.  If I'd wished to do that I would have bought the ingrediants to go.  Damn them, damn them all to hell.

When you have Art's so close by, why would you even think of going to Jerry's?  I have never understood Jerry's popularity; the quality of the food there has been marginal, at best, each time I've sampled it.  Art's isn't cheap, but at least the food there is good.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: François de Paris on May 20, 2004, 08:11:21 PM
Dear Reader Jane,

Yes, a lot of movie theaters in Paris have early showings EVERY day. Paris is a city for movie lovers. There's an average of over 300 different movies -- any language, any country! -- to choose from on any given day...

And tickets sold before noon are cheaper!
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Tomovoz on May 20, 2004, 08:16:15 PM
Back from "Tarnation" for a few minutes.
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Post by: Matt H. on May 20, 2004, 08:17:11 PM
I haven't checked the figures in a couple of weeks. How's BOMBAY DREAMS doing at the box-office, especially in view of its lack of major Tony Award nominations.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 08:19:10 PM
Congratulations, SWW!

I hope that you won’t let work interfere with your posting!
My thanks to all for the congrats.  It's going to be a challenge, since it will be my first time working in retail.  Responding to DR TCB, I'll certainly keep up on my posts when I'm not on the job or doing other essential things.

Hopefully, we'll be getting der Brucer back on-line, using my computer if he won't use his own.  Then you'll have both of us to kick around, and vice versa!   :D
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Matt H. on May 20, 2004, 08:21:31 PM
I suppose the "Chololat" section of the American in Paris ballet wouldn't be substantial enough.  And after a while you'd crave variety.

 :-\

Well, with Gene Kelly as the purveyor of said enjoyment, perhaps I could FORCE myself to partake.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Matt H. on May 20, 2004, 08:23:01 PM
After watching two episodes of CSI tonight back-to-back, it's easy to become addicted to the hunky, handsome man below.


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Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 08:23:21 PM
Fave show song of the new decade, so far:

"Don't Be the Bunny," from Urinetown.  I played the CD while we were driving eastward, and I thought der Brucer was going to swerve off of the road, he was laughing so hard.  He insisted on my playing the track again immediately, and then again when we'd finished the score.

I like the score for Wicked, but while The Producers and Hairspray have their moments, they're basically lightweight.  Avenue Q must play extremely well on stage, because after maybe four playings of the CD I can't imagine needing to hear it again.  (Not like I didn't give it an honest chance.)
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 08:37:23 PM
Addictions:

I smoked for years.  So did der B.  I finally got worried about my heart (strange, that, since my grandfather died of lung cancer, but let's not quibble) and quit cold turkey.  So did der B.  Then a couple of friends came over needing his help with thier taxes, they lit up, he lit up, I lit up...oh, spoo.

I quit again a couple of years later, and was a total bitch for a week or so, the length of time it took me to get the nicotine out of my system.  Within a year, I gained fifty pounds.  Actually, that was a good thing, since I was about fifty pounds underweight at the time, not good for someone as tall as I am (look it up in yesterday's posts).  But fifty pounds in one year!!!???  Talk about a shock to the system.  Ever since then, when I've heard women complaining about how uncomfortable they are when their weight shifts, I know very much what they're talking about.

But that was the easy "addiction" story...
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Matt H. on May 20, 2004, 08:37:36 PM
One famous movie I've never seen is coming on again tonight on the Fox Movie Channel: FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX. If I like the film (it's long), I know the DVD is available. I'm having the DVR record it at midnight.

So, someone who has the DVD already, what's the quality of the picture and sound like? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Tomovoz on May 20, 2004, 08:38:43 PM
TOTD:
First that come to mind are
"Popular" (Wicked)
"Solla Sollew" (Seussical)
"Our Kind  Of Love" (The Beautiful Game)

Addictions: I collected top 40 lists from the late 50's until 1990! I had to know what was #1 in OZ, the UK and USA.
I have other addictions but .......
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: bk on May 20, 2004, 08:47:01 PM
Jay: I'd just had that very sandwich at Art's.  And, I'm rather fond of Jerry's fries and ranch dressing.  Never again.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 08:48:44 PM
No one here has yet talked about going into rehab.  Let me be the first.

I've talked before about being a chronic depressive.  It's a mental condition, one treatable these days with medication.  Actually, it's always been treatable with medication, but it used to be that the wrong medication was available.  Plenty of people with depression have self-medicated with alcohol, however, and I was one of them.

Any time you hear a story about someone destroying themselves with the bottle, or committing suicide, don't forget what depression can do, because that's too often the underlying factor.  Because we don't usually care to admit that depression is a genuine illness, however, our society is prone to ignore this underlying cause.

Well, in my case I found drink to be a great way of easing my pain, mostly because I didn't know I was depressed.  It's hard to know something like that when it simply isn't discussed, or if people simply tell you to "snap out of it."  Even after realizing that I was depressed, and getting medication, I still was going to the bottle.  My favorite was Canadian whiskey.  (But I'm not going to blame Canada.)  It had become a habit.

About two years ago, I finally spiraled out of control.  There came the morning when I simply couldn't function, was simply falling apart, and der Brucer had to take drastic action.  He had me call my office, tell them that I was seeking help, and then he found a hospital in Orange County that worked with alcohol rehab, drove me there, and got me admitted.

That was the good part.

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Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 09:03:03 PM
I spent a week in that hospital.  On the one hand, they did dry me out.  On the other hand, because I was having trouble sleeping, they doped me up on sleeping pills.  I lost track of the number of meals I missed because I was sleeping so much.

I was also supposed to be attending training sessions, where we would be taught about addiction and how AA would help us.  There was no hint of any other systems even existing other than AA.  I don't remember much about the meetings during the first half of the week.  I was too doped up on sleeping pills.

Sometime during the week, I was able to concentrate enough to help another inmate finish a jigsaw puzzle.  And sometime during the week I was able to concentrate enough to listen to another inmate's problems, and ask her questions, and get her out of the mindset that she was a failure, tell her that she could change her life.  She felt very good about my telling her that.  Der Brucer felt good about that, too, but I don't remember his being there.  I guess I could only concentrate on one thing, one person at a time.

I went in on a Monday.  I was scheduled to leave the following Monday.  A doctor, supposedly someone whose care I was under, came to see me on Saturday.  He asked me if I wanted to go home.  I said yes.  He signed a few papers, and told me I was to leave that day.  I didn't have any money on me for a cab, and was lucky der Brucer was home when I called (they did let me use the phone), because he had been given no hint that I was to be leaving early.

We left the hospital.  He'd found an out-treatment facility for me, recommended by the hospital, where I was to start the next week.  On our way home, we first stopped at a nursury, where I guess there were plants, they didn't interest me much, and then went to a Chinese restaurant for my first decent meal in a week, but it all tasted flat.

I cried.  He cried.

It's a good thing I had been released on Saturday, because it took the entire weekend to get the sleeping pills out of my system.  Then he took me to my first session at the out-patient center on Monday.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 09:24:53 PM
The center was run by a man who called himself "Dusty" Rhodes.  The treatment center was for alcoholics (which he had been) and drug addicts, particularly meth, I think.  He was very AA in his attitude, wanting everyone to embrace the full confessional.  He wanted everyone to understand that blood and urine tests could take place at any moment, to make sure we weren't cheating.  And he kept a strict party line.

There apparently was no such thing as free will if you were an addict.  The alcohol or drug was in complete control.  The only way to beat the drug or drink was to completely surrender to AA, to attend full day sessions with him, or later to go to two AA meetings a day after he thought you could handle it.  Not only could I never go near alcohol again in the form of drink, I could not truct myself near mouthwash or vanilla extract.  These were his rules.

And confession was good for the soul.  We were all to confess how we had hurt people around us, admit how we could never make up to them for the hurts we had caused.

I lasted with that crap for less than a week.

The final straw came in two parts, but both took place the same night.  It was a mandatory session, where the partners of the addicted were to attend as well, so that confession about the hurting could be done in front of a full audience, with the others and their partners as witnesses.  For some reason, Dusty wasn't there that night (an important point, as it turned out).

There was one woman there who came with her husband and her two daughters.  They confronted each other with how ashamed she was with her blackouts, and her behavior in front of her teenaged daughters friends.  And the family told her, in return, how hurt they had all been.  And a few tears were wiped away, and they told each other how they still loved each other, and they hugged.

And there was a rustling among the audience.

Der Brucer and I were the next players for this confessional scene.  We told each other about the hurt, and not meaning to, and how sorry I was for not really being there for him when he needed me (during that week in the hospital, the Scottie Geordie had taken a turn for the worse, and was the only dog we've had to put down), and so on...and we told each other how we loved each other, and hugged each other.

And this kid, still in high school, told us that we hadn't reached deep into ourselves enough.

The rest of the night was spent listening to people telling each other about how hurt they were, and how they had hurt each other.  And no one else ever used the word love.  There was lots of blame to be shared, but no forgiveness.

During a break, I mentioned to the "faciltator" at this meeting that I had a question about the wording of one of the twelve steps that were prominently plastered on every wall.  It had to do with how we had to admit that the drug or drink was in control of us.  My question was about how something that was inanimate could be in control of anything.  Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the drug or drink caused us to loose our own control?  The facilitator just stammered that I was just beginning the program, and that these steps were well established.

Der Brucer was fuming on the long drive home that night.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 09:42:19 PM
That night meeting had been on Thursday.  Early Friday, the next meeting began.  We had someone new in our group, someone who had been to two meeting already that day, because he had been thinking about sniffing glue.  He quivered as he made his confession, he was so happy to be there.  He looked as if he had found religion.

Then, Dusty made a speech to the group in general.  He brought up how I had asked him about the step regarding the drink or drug's control, questioning the twelve-step wisdom.  And Dusty was very clear about how we had to give ourselves over to the twelve steps, or we would never escape the addictions.  For any of us to turn our backs on the twelve steps would lead to our distruction.

If the lack of love that der Brucer had witnessed the previous night, the demand that everyone put on a show of dramatic confession, had been his breaking point, this was mine.  Dusty hadn't been at the meeting, yet he was saying I had posed the question to him.  I don't like people who lie, not like that.

That evening, when der Brucer came to pick me up and drive me home, he asked me if I was happy with the program I was in.  I told him I wasn't, really.  I'd still been reeling under the tail end of the sleeping pills when I'd started the program, pills I'd been given at the hospital, and I was even then on the groggy side, not thinking clearly.  Then der B. handed me a brochure.  He'd done his research, of course, and found a different program, one that was geared to the individual.  Individual sessions with a qualified psychotheripist, plus education sessions and group sessions with a trained facilitator.  Would I rather try this other treatment program?  It was covered by my insurance.

Yes.

And I felt as if der Brucer had given me a gift.

Dusty was mad as hell when I called and told him I wouldn't be returning.  He was close to threatening me, but I cut him off by hanging up the telephone.

The treatment was pretty much effective.  The real trick was to break me of my alcohol dependency, to make me realize that I didn't need it as an emotional crutch.  Yes, I now drink wine, and occasionally a hard drink.  But I'm no longer drinking to get drunk, to blot out the pain.  I'm healthier now.

End of story.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 09:43:12 PM
Aw, c'mon, somebody tell a happy story now!   :D
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 09:51:28 PM
DR Jose:  Looks like our favorite Alton is going to be holding a Q&A session over at eGullet.com! (http://forums.egullet.com/index.php?showtopic=43377)  This sounds like great timing for me, as my new job is at a "gear" shop!  We're going to have to gang up on him with questions!
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: bk on May 20, 2004, 09:54:43 PM
Here is my happy story: I just watched Miss Leslie Parrish in a wonderful episode of Surfside Six.  More about that later.  But for now, might I just ask where in tarnation IS everyone?
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: François de Paris on May 20, 2004, 09:58:31 PM
...a happy story, dear Reader SWW?

You're tough competition, you know....

I'm just glad you got rid of that charlatan!

Depression can also be a "retreat" like alcohol or drugs!
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 10:03:34 PM
Here's a switch, in a story at Playbill On-Line. (http://www.playbill.com/news/article/86294.html)  PS Classics will be releasing the Broadways Cast Recording of Assassins.  Which opens a question: Why didn't this go to Nonesuch, as ITW, The Frogs, Saturday Night, and Bounce have gone?
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Jed on May 20, 2004, 10:13:53 PM
Here's a switch, in a story at Playbill On-Line. (http://www.playbill.com/news/article/86294.html)  PS Classics will be releasing the Broadways Cast Recording of Assassins.  Which opens a question: Why didn't this go to Nonesuch, as ITW, The Frogs, Saturday Night, and Bounce have gone?

My guess would be perhaps Roundabout has a deal with PS Classics, as they also released last year's (or was it two years ago)  Nine recording.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Tomovoz on May 20, 2004, 10:22:16 PM
Will this be the first official recording of "Something just broke"?
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 10:24:57 PM
According to the article, yes, it will.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Panni on May 20, 2004, 10:28:31 PM
SWW - I have to comment on your brutally honest story -- but I really can't think of anything to say which wouldn't sound facile and trendy ("Thanks for sharing"...). So I'll simply acknowledge it and thank you for having the courage - and trust in us - to post it. But I do want to say that the one overwhelming fact which comes through loud and clear in your tale is that having a partner in your life who accepts and loves you, warts and all (and you him), is a true and great blessing.
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Post by: Noel on May 20, 2004, 10:28:50 PM
In rehearsal and then doing a show.  Busy times.  But I wanted to answer that question about creative control:

If a writer wants creative control, he's best off writing poetry.  Once, I was talking to BK about how the novelist, usually, has no one hanging over his shoulder telling him to change things.  I think he thought I was being snarky.  But I've nothing against novelists: their experience is just completely different than that of a musical theatre writer.  If you seek creative control, don't look for it here:

Musical theatre is a collaborative experience, something of an ant farm.  I'm always doing the music and lyrics, sometimes the book.  Whatever I write has to serve the story, and there's always going to be adjustments required by what the book writer does.  And a good director will ask for a lot of changes in the songs.  And then, when you hear something on an actor's voice...  The CD of the original cast of Gypsy includes some early Ethel Merman tracks, where, surprise surprise, the melody to Mr. Goldstone is different.  After Styne heard that, it got altered (and a huge section of clever Sondheim lyrics got cut).

The collaboration is not just with actors, the director, and the librettist.  I once wrote a countermelody for a man "disappearing" inside a magician's box.  When the set designer told the producer how much it was going to cost to build this box, the verse was cut.  And the strongest voice in the show (Jay Aubrey Jones) wasn't heard in the huge finale to Act One.

On "Grand Knowing You" I was told "we can't light that" and a little bluebird on a string was cut because the stage manager was worried that somehow, this tiny bird was going to fly up and break some expensive lights.  I kid you not.

One more story: a producer commissioned a work from me and when I came up with an idea for a show for a cast of four, she said "You're thinking way too large.  Cut the cast size in half."  So I came up with an idea about a female pirate who meets what she thinks is a male pirate, but this turns out to be a female in drag (based on a true story.  Again, I kid you not.)  After casting my two-actress musical, the producer/director decided that the mezzo wasn't agile enough to be convincing as a pirate.  So, the role was re-cast... with a man.  I now had to rewrite the show so it no longer was about sisterly solidarity.  What it's about now, I do not know, but the show ran for many years, so I don't complain.

The birth of every musical is filled with disappointing compromises and ridiculous arguments.  I hope, in time, to remember the show better than I do the arguments.  But creative control is not what I'm after: entertaining the folks who've paid to see the damn thing is my only goal.  And if the birthing process is painful for me, so be it.
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: Jason on May 20, 2004, 10:30:30 PM
Just back from the gym. I spent a good 1 1/2 hours there tonight, but I'm afraid I may have overdone it. By the end of thirty minutes on the stairmaster (I'd already done an hour of strength training), I thought I was going to keel over from exhaustion. It was so hot in the cardio room that by the time I'd finished, there were literally pools of sweat under the stairmaster machine that I'd been using. Oh, well...12,000 steps closer to being thinner and in better shape.

After checking the box office grosses at Playbill.com, it would seem that BOMBAY DREAMS played at 87%, which ain't bad at the Broadway Barn. In fact, they were up 2.5% from the week before.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 11:16:53 PM
SWW - I have to comment on your brutally honest story -- but I really can't think of anything to say which wouldn't sound facile and trendy ("Thanks for sharing"...). So I'll simply acknowledge it and thank you for having the courage - and trust in us - to post it. But I do want to say that the one overwhelming fact which comes through loud and clear in your tale is that having a partner in your life who accepts and loves you, warts and all (and you him), is a true and great blessing.
Thank you.

There is something about the DRs here that encourages this kind of honesty.  So I thank BK for giving us this forum.  There aren't many opportunities like this, and not many hosts as generous.

modified for grammar.  No, really, that was the only reason!   :-\
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 20, 2004, 11:22:56 PM
I'll return.  I've got some viewing I want to do.  (A grandlad is having a birthday in a couple of weeks, and I've been assigned coleslaw and potato salad.)
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: George on May 20, 2004, 11:27:24 PM
I have been most errant and truant today (and will be truant and errant again tomorrow AND Saturday) because today I worked (and will work Friday) backstage for a touring production of RENT (http://www.washingtoncenter.org/season/season_detail.asp?event_id=475) that's at the Washington Center for the Performing Arts.  I have to work at my real job Friday morning and my call for RENT is 1:00 p.m.  I have to help with laundry.  Fun. :P  But, hey, I get paid!  And the load-out after the show is supposed to be very easy!

Saturday, I'm going to be gone all morning and in the evening, I have to take my niece to a Seattle Storm (women's basketball) game.  Oh, joy.  Actually, I'd gone to a couple games last year and it was pretty fun.  And I'm not paying for the tickets, so it's basically free.  I'm just the chauffeur.  Okay, I'm paying for gas, but it's still cheaper than the tickets.  Sunday, however, will truly be my day of rest!

As to the Topic of the Day, I don't think I can contribute...as much as I would love to.  Having to deal with costumes and unloading big giant semi-trucks and doing laundry and looking (just looking) at very attractive and much younger people in (and out of) various states of undress, just has my mind not able to focus.  Let's just say that I agree with a lot that's already been mentioned, okay? ;)
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Post by: JoseSPiano on May 20, 2004, 11:36:24 PM
Good Evening!

DR SWW - Thank you for the Alton Brown update... I don't check egullet.com as much as I'd like and should, so... but now...

And, Thank You!

Well, our "other god" was on for the matinee, but our "original god" was back in for the evening show.  And both did a great job - and both were actually still kind of sick too!  Troupers!  -Unfortunately, another round of "sickness" seems to be making it's way through the dressing rooms...  Hopefully, all the extra Vitamin C everyone is taking - and Purel - will do it's thing.

I had some "relatives" in the audience tonight.  Seven relatives of relatives of relatives who are currently visiting from London.  -It was kind of strange seeing a Filipino face but hearing an English accent coming from it.  Among them was a very adorable - and quiet - three-year old boy - who, apparently was enthralled the whole time and even knew when to clap!  I even brought him into the pit so he could check out my digs.  As a sign of his appreciation, he showed me his Mutant Ninja Turtles Action figure - the red one! -And it made noise too!

Oh, since food has been brought up recently...  Between shows I finally had dinner at the French Bistro across the street from the theatre, Bistro D'Oc - as in Languedoc, France.  Tres delicieux!!!

Since it was my first time dining there, I had some traditional mainstays.  The mesclun salad had the most wonderful vinaigrette on it - the "basic" mustard, vinegar and oil concoction - but it was soo good - just the right balance of flavors.  And then came the steak frites... I opted for the more traditional hanger steak onglet cut rather than the steak au poivre - that'll be for next time.  The steak was perfectly cooked medium rare, and had an amazing amount of flavor.  And the frites were hands down the best french fries I've ever had.  Hot, crispy, flecked with sea salt... and they were perfect for dipping into the mayonnaise and/or the drippings from the steak.  And there were a LOT of frites.  So many that I didn't finish them, even though I really wanted to... But instead I left room for dessert.... A chocolate concoction (surprise?!?!): chocolate pudding topped with chocolate sauce and a scoop of dark chocolate ice cream "splashed" with amaretto.  WOWZA!!!  First of all, the "pudding" was more like a chocolate creme brulee - without being bruleed - so rich, so tasty, and so chocolatey!  The scoop of ice cream was "small" but also packed quite the chocolate punch.  The amaretto was a great foil.  To be honest, I almost didn't finish it since I was getting full, and it really was rich... but finish it I did.  Needless to say, I had a very happy tummy throughout the show!

And now I've spent way too much time catching up on various things and with various people on the internet... and I should have been in bed hours ago.  Heck, I have a White House tour in a few hours.  -Ford's usually works out - depending upon the current security level - a nice "special" tour of the White House.  A few years ago, they even let the group into the Oval Office.  We'll see what happens in a few hours...  Then we have the put-in rehearsal for the "new guy" - who's also known as Rob - and then Rob's first show tomorrow night!

-Oh, and on a personal note, I have a date after the show tomorrow night, so... :)

Goodnight.

-And, yes, still no Bookworm for me!
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: George on May 20, 2004, 11:49:52 PM
Like Ben, I also have an addiction to compact discs. I re-organized my collection last week. It took nearly two and half hours to get through the showtunes alone. I have so many that I've created a database in my computer to keep track of them. According to my files, I have close to 400 cast recordings. Of those 400, SIX of them are various versions of LES MISERABLES. It's a sickness...truly.

I used to have an Excel spreadsheet of all my musicals (records and CDs), but it was on my computer when my computer died. :'(  I know there are people who have more recordings than I do, but I had over 1,200 lines in my spreadsheet!  However, that did include cross references and double entries for CDs with two different shows and translations of foreign language recordings...but still that's a lot!
Title: Re:MAN WITH THE GOLDEN BOOKWORM
Post by: George on May 20, 2004, 11:57:18 PM
I must confess to one other addiction.  It is fairly new, extremely powerful, and like acting, no attempt has been made to control it or to recover from its power over me.  I will freely admit to being addicted to HHW and to all of the wonderful members who post here.  I can’t imagine a day going by without thinking, worrying, caring and sharing with all of you.  If they ever come up with a Twelve-Step program for this website, I will avoid it at all costs.   I can’t think of a more positive or enriching addiction to my life than HHW.

I don't feel that my desire to be part of HHW as an addiction, it's a necessity!