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Title: THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: bk on May 25, 2004, 12:00:37 AM
Well, you've read the notes, you have divined their divine meaning, you know both topics, so walk the walk, talk the talk and most importantly, post the post.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Charles Pogue on May 25, 2004, 12:10:16 AM
Can't say I'm a big fan of either Jerry Lewis or Jerry Herman.  I Won't Send Roses for Herman...and I guess THE NUTTY PROFESSOR, though truth be told I probably haven't seen a Jerry Lewis movie since I was 14...it was probably The Nutty Professor.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: bk on May 25, 2004, 12:18:04 AM
Welcome seven GUESTS.  We're talkin' about The Two Jerrys.
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Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 12:37:34 AM
Third Post!  Huzzah...sort of. ::)

Anyway, I'm not really a fan of Jerry Lewis.  I certainly have nothing against him, unlike other people here in Olympia.  Here's the story that was told to me:  years ago, when Olympia Beer was still its own independent brewery (long before Hamm's and then Miller bought it), Olympia Beer was a corporate sponsor for Jerry's MDA Telethon.  Jerry himself came to town to tour the brewery, but when he was here, he complained a lot about little things, like when there actually was trash in the trash cans. :o I don't know if that was true, but I've heard it from different people over the years.  I personally have nothing against him, and take the story with a grain of salt.  But there it is.

As for Jerry Herman songs (yes, it's long, but I do like Jerry Herman songs):

Before the Parade Passes By
Bosom Buddies
Gooch's Song (I love Andrea McArdle's version)
I Am What I Am
I Don't Want To Know
If He Walked Into My Life
I've Never Said I Love You
A Little More Mascara
Look What Happened to Mabel
More and More/Less and Less (from The Grand Tour)
Show Tune
Song on the Sand
Tap Your Troubles Away (I really like the way Rita Moreno sang it on "Jerry Herman's Broadway at the Hollywood Bowl")
Time Heals Everything
Wherever He Ain't (especially the arrangement from "Jerry Herman's Broadway at the Hollywood Bowl" sung by Florence Lacey, Karen Morrow and Lorna Luft!)
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 12:42:24 AM
And speaking of Jerry Herman, Playbill.com has THIS (http://www.playbill.com/news/article/86341.html) article about Mame!
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 12:52:29 AM
I posted this on the technical board to test it, but:

 ;D  (http://www.playbill.com/news/article/86341.html)

Click on the smilie face!  I just wanted to know if this would work with smilies...and it does!
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Post by: Tomovoz on May 25, 2004, 01:16:50 AM
Favourite Jerry Lewis movies:
The Delicate Delinquent
The Nutty Professor
Artists And Models
Scared Stiff
Three Ring Circus
Rock-a-bye Baby

Favourite Jerry Herman:
I Won't Send Roses
If He Walked Into My Life
Look Over There
The Best In The World
I'll Be Here Tomorrow
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 02:31:54 AM
Good morning, all!  The crunch begins again, so every night till I finish this deadline will be just a bit less sleep.  I was not ready for a 5:00 am wake up this morning, but I'm up!

I saw Jerry Lewish films so long ago that I remember next to nothing about them except things like Shirley MacLaine in a bat (?) costume in ARTISTS AND MODELS, and bits of SCARED STIFF.

Jerry Herman songs:
Put On Your Sunday Clothes
Open A New Window
Look What Happened to Mabel
Time Heals Everything
Tap Your Troubles Away
Marianne
I Don't want to Know
I've Never Said I Love You
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on May 25, 2004, 04:29:10 AM
Favorite Jerry Lewis movies: Hollywood or Bust, Artists and Models; Delicate Delinquent, Geisha Boy.


A longer list for Jerry Herman:

Open a New Window
And I Was Beautiful
Put on Your Sunday Clothes
I've Never Said I Love You
Time Heals Everything
I Won't Send Roses
I Don't Want to Know
Let's Not Waste a Moment
It Only Takes a Moment
Song on the Sand
It's Today
Hello Dolly
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 04:49:18 AM
Hmmmmmmmm....DRJOSE that was a shocking story you posted about the understudy you know - but probably not uncommon.  All I can say is that your friend must have been a really good actor to scare the other guy into NOT missing a performance.

MAYA is here....she is the new HHW GOD....get somebody to type this.

What a great time it must have been at THE NUTTY PROFESSOR....with Jerry Lewis' credit missing!!!!  Was there any comment made on that?  "Hey, Laaaaaadyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy."

Favorite JL movies/bits includes:

THE ERRAND BOY - when he is watching the camera during the filming of a scene.

THE LADIES MAN - all of his scenes with Helen Traubel and Kathleen Freeman, particularly the "Person to Person" type show.

SCARED STIFF - when he is impersonating Carmen Miranda.

ARTISTS & MODELS - when he is shown as the result of too much comic book reading.

All of his scenes with Dean are pretty funny - although I didn't like it much when they went for pathos.  That was my major problem with THE GEISHA BOY and CINDERFELLA.

And of course he was Itchy McRabbit in LIL ABNER....LOL.

For a change of pace, his performance in THE KING OF COMEDY was on the money!

Jerry Herman - I love MY BEST GIRL, and the big title numbers MAME and DOLLY, and WE NEED A LITTLE CHRISTMAS and BEFORE THE PARADE PASSES BY!
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 04:50:49 AM
Here is your Allison Hayes Picture of the WeeK!

Just an ordinary day around the house.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Matt H. on May 25, 2004, 04:50:51 AM
I'm not a Jerry Lewis fan at all; a little of him goes a long way, but I have liked a couple of Dean-Jerry pictures: SCARED STIFF and PARDNERS.

I love Jerry Herman music, and every show has numbers I could listen to over and over.

My favorites are "If He Walked Into My Life," "Lovin' You," "I Don't Want to Know," "It Only Takes a Moment," "Look Over There."
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Matt H. on May 25, 2004, 04:51:44 AM
BK, I'm in a similar fix. Not having the street repaved, but I'm stuck here waiting for the A/C repairman to arrive, and who knows when that will be!
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Matt H. on May 25, 2004, 05:01:19 AM
I have the MAME soundtrack on LP and really had no thought of buying the CD release as I've always thought the sound was flat and lifeless, and of course Lucy just abominable to my ears.

That gorgeous, expansive sound on the MAME cast album is one of the real jewels in Columbia's cast album catalog. MAME may not have won Jerry Herman a Tony, but the cast album won the Grammy that year as Best Show Album, and it richly deserved the prize. (Funny, but Herman's two other BIG Broadway hits did not win the cast album Grammy the years they were eligible, though Jerry did win the Best Song Grammy for "Hello, Dolly.")
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Post by: Noel on May 25, 2004, 05:02:05 AM
The idea expressed, yesterday, that there's something depressing about Broadway stars taking the subway home got me thinking...

When I was very young and first saw A Chorus Line, I boarded the 104 bus and there was the woman who'd played Morales.  It was a revelation.  Like many a teen, I placed my Broadway stars on a pedestal, but here, seeing one on her way home from work, was proof that they're just folks, like everybody else, with a job to do, and, after they do it, they take public transportation home.

Nowadays, I'm less fond of the 104 since it's far too slow, but I like it when the shows are letting out: it's still full of happy people reading their playbills and normal people on their way home from work - entertaining them.

Besides, the subway is often faster than taxis.

My Best Girl
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Ben on May 25, 2004, 05:08:46 AM
I, too, am not a fan of Jerry Lewis. I don't remember the last time I saw a JL movie (with or without Dean).

My favorite Jerry Herman song is Time Heals Everything. I also love Kiss Her Now and I Don't Want to Know.

DR CP, it's hard to tell who will take the Best Actor Play Tony. I do think Frank Langella is a real contender. There is some talk that Kevin Kline will win for Falstaff. I regret that I missed the production. It was a limited run and I never got around to getting tickets. It's a very tight race this year. It could be any of them. Plummer for his amazing Lear and also the fact that he's doing one of those "final" kind of roles. Not that he's retiring but you do Lear usually in the latter years of your career. Kline, as I mentioned, was almost universally hailed as a great Falstaff (in pictures I didn't even recognize him). Beale could win just for the sheer brilliance of his performance. Langella is wonderfully different from what he usually does and even though the play is a bit weak and predictable, his performance, and the lovely Jane Adams, both stood out. Their long scene in the second act could have been uncomfortable, but it was touching and moving and beautifully done. I must say, Jefferson Mays in I Am My Own Wife was stunning. An amazing performance of depth and beauty. I saw the show twice, both times at Playwrights Horizons and both times was mesmerized by his talent. That's my take on Best Actor in a Play.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Dan (the Man) on May 25, 2004, 05:30:05 AM
HEY, LAAAAY-DEEE!

I sitting here thinking of my favorite Jerry Lewis movies and I keep coming up with a longer and longer list.  But if I had to narrow it down, I'd say my favs are The Nutty Professor, closely followed by Cinderfella and The King of Comedy.  I don't have a clear recollection of any of the Dean Martin movies at the mo'.

As for Jerry Herman, I'm going with "I Won't Send Roses".  ANd special mention for whatever material he supplied for A Day In Hollywood/A Night In The Ukraine, which I think is one of the most underappreciated shows of the 80s.

Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Ben on May 25, 2004, 05:33:56 AM
BTW, Dan-in-Toronto, thanks for the beautiful remembrance in your newspaper. Also, thanks Panni for putting in the link.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Ben on May 25, 2004, 05:34:53 AM
Dan the Man, I agree, ADIH/NITU is a wonderful, underappreciated show. It was running when I moved to NY and I saw it more than once (sometimes only the second act because of that well know but little talked about phenomenon called Second Acting whereby destitute actor-types walk in after intermission and wait for the lights to go down and then slip into an empty seat). Maybe it's not done as often because you need a good Groucho?
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Post by: Ben on May 25, 2004, 05:37:40 AM
I Am My Own Frenzy. Is there a Hainsie/Kimlet award for that?
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Post by: BEEKAY on May 25, 2004, 05:54:01 AM
My first musical was Mack and Mabel, so of course I revelled in Look What's Happened to Mabel, I won't send roses, Tap your troubles Away, Time Heals Everything etc. The small company I was with in Leongatha (pronounced the way it's spelled) is in Eastern Victoria Australia.
The guy who taught the choreography and took the lead dancer for Tap Your Troubels Away was dancing on a coffee table after opening night, fell off it and wrecked his knee, so the show had to go on with just the chorus girls and lead lady dancer going solo. She did a fabulous job for her first tap dancing routine! Also our Mack lost his voice, and we had a professional guy who arrived back from London two days before the opening night who took on Mack for us, as he had recently played the role in NY.NY.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Dan (the Man) on May 25, 2004, 05:56:31 AM
Dan the Man, I agree, ADIH/NITU is a wonderful, underappreciated show. It was running when I moved to NY and I saw it more than once (sometimes only the second act because of that well know but little talked about phenomenon called Second Acting whereby destitute actor-types walk in after intermission and wait for the lights to go down and then slip into an empty seat).

That's how I saw Barnum so many times.  The St. James always seemed to be the easiest theatre to second-act (as far as milling around the standing room space, that is), though I wonder if it's been as easy since The Producers.

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Maybe it's not done as often because you need a good Groucho?

Isn't there some big legal issue with the Marx Brothers estate?  Something along the lines that the show can't use the Marx Brothers' images in any advertising nor use the "A Night In The Ukraine" as part of the title?
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: td on May 25, 2004, 06:00:21 AM
First, my favorite Jerry Herman song (which has already been mentioned) is "Marianne."
Since it hasn't been mentioned, I'll say that "You, I Like" is my next favorite Jerry Herman song.
Only last year, I spent a magnificent evening in the presence of Don Pippin, Paige O'Hara, Karen Morrow, Jason Graae and the man himself, Jerry Herman performing an evening of Herman material.  When you've got Jason singing "You, I Like" and Karen performing "I don't want to Know;" as well as Paige doing the MACK & MABEL songs - - - your're in heaven.  Ms. Morrow's delivery of "Shalom" was another high point of the evening.

Jerry Lewis:  I like THREE ON A MATCH, THE NUTTY PROFESSOR, CINDERFELLA and ROCK-A-BYE BABY very much.
With Dean, I like ARTISTS AND MODELS and the one with Corinne Colvert. . . .
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Dan (the Man) on May 25, 2004, 06:08:37 AM
DR BEEKAY, I think that Mack & Mabel is one of those B'way failures that really does deserve a second chance.  I've loved it ever since my senior year high school class performed it.  I disagree with the experts like Mandlebaum who say that the book and/or subject matter is unworkable--I think it's a pretty solid book. And the score is one of the best around!  

If it were revived, I would hope that they would cast someone a little off-kilter as Mabel instead of going for the obvious.  The role calls for a good physical commedianne and not just someone who can belt out the songs.  Anyone have any ideas?
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Post by: Stuart on May 25, 2004, 06:16:00 AM
I don't believe I have ever seen a Jerry Lewis film, so there will be no comments from me on that subject.

Jerry Herman is another story.  Favorite songs include, but are not limited to:

The Independance Day Hora
Sunday Clothes
Before the Parade Passes By
It Only Takes a Moment
Just Leave Everything to Me
Love is Only Love
It's Today
Mame
Loving You
Bosom Buddies
That's How Young I Feel
If He Walked Into My Life
I've Never Said I Love You
I Don't Want to Know
Kiss Her Now
And I Was Beautiful
Time Heals Everything
Wherever He Ain't
Marianne
I'll Be Here Tomorrow
Song on the Sand
I am What I am
Look Over There
Avenue A
Mrs. Santa Claus

OK, I like Jerry Herman.  Alot.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Stuart on May 25, 2004, 06:17:17 AM
If it were revived, I would hope that they would cast someone a little off-kilter as Mabel instead of going for the obvious.  The role calls for a good physical commedianne and not just someone who can belt out the songs.  Anyone have any ideas?

Alix Korey comes to mind, though she might be a bit....well, of a certain age, at this point.
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Post by: Stuart on May 25, 2004, 06:18:43 AM
Mini-frenzy here, but it seems that somewhere along the line I have become a Full Member.

No comments from the peanut gallery, or those of us still waiting for that shirtless A/C repairman.
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Post by: Ben on May 25, 2004, 06:24:25 AM
No comments on DR Stuart, but I will mention another ascension into the heavens. DR Dan-in-Toronto has joined us on the clouds (504 posts so far).
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Post by: singerdreamer on May 25, 2004, 06:26:32 AM
Good morning all. Once again, I'm running late for school.. but I decided to post anyways.

Umm yesterday someone asked what theatre company I was involved with. The answer- Music Theatre of Idaho. Oh the joys of living in Idaho. Really, it is a pretty good company though, so if any of you are ever in Boise, try to catch a show! www.mtionline.org. Well.. gotta go get ready. 3 more days of school left. I think I can I think I can....
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Post by: William E. Lurie on May 25, 2004, 06:27:35 AM
I must agree with the DRs who are not big on Jerry Lewis.  I liked him when I was a kid, but no longer find him very funny.  I guess you have to be French.
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Post by: Panni on May 25, 2004, 06:57:15 AM
Good morning. May I take us to Page Two by saying that the final post of last night by our dear bk besmirched my othewise stellar reputation. The muffin was NOT my dinner. My dinner was my dinner. The muffin was a late night snack. I won't even comment on being called Miss Skin and Bones.
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Post by: MBarnum on May 25, 2004, 07:18:47 AM
GEISHA BOY is my favorite Jerry Lewis film. It has been so many years since I have seen any of his other films that I don't know if I could pick another favorite. I do remember enjoying the ones that I saw. When I was a kid I really liked THE BIG MOUTH and CINDERFELLA.

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Post by: Panni on May 25, 2004, 07:27:46 AM
To add to the understudy stories…. Back in my acting days, I once understudied the lead in what has now become a legendary Canadian production of THE DYBBUK. It was a huge role - involving much hair-tearing drama,  some dancing, some singing - you name it, it was there - including an exorcism. I had a decent supporting role in the production, but nothing like the LEAD. The famous Canadian actress playing the lead was a real powerhouse and this was THE role of her career. We played Toronto, we toured all over the place (Montreal, Ottawa, etc). We had weekly understudy rehearsals. And I lived in hope. The leading role of Leah involved the aforementioned singing and a lot of dramatic yelling (for those of you who don't know from dybbuks, they are spirits which invade a body - in this particular instance, it was the sprit of the dead lover of the young woman). So, towards the end of the run the leading lady on several occasions came to me after the Saturday matinee - and would whisper, "You'll probably have to go on tonight, Anna. My voice…" I would spend the afternoon going through my lines, lovingly brushing Leah’s long black wig and dreaming of how the part should REALLY be played. I'd show them! And then the evening performance would come... And you guessed it... the LL would summon reserves from some unknown place to which only Actors Equity has the golden key... and go on. (I bet MY understudy who was waiting to go on in my part when I went on in the LL's part is telling a similar story on some other website.)
And here’s the epilogue to this sad tale: It’s actually a good thing I never got to go on. Because in retrospect, I don’t think I would have been good enough. I would have been adequate, but not as good as the LL whom audiences came to see in the part. They would have left disappointed.
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Post by: Jason on May 25, 2004, 07:40:47 AM
Bonjour and good day to you all. I've been trying to post for the last hour and a half, but being the only one at the reception desk made it difficult...especially since it was busy. Now, of course, since the second receptionist is here, the phones are dead. Go figure.

I am not a huge fan of Mr. Jerry Lewis, but I can see why he would appeal to some. He's just not my cup o' tea. I saw him in the nat'l tour of DAMN YANKEES and thought he was fine, but his cane schtick in "Those Were The Good Old Days" wore thin very quickly. Not for me, but c'est la vie.

Jerry Herman: I can take or leave him. I enjoy MAME and DOLLY and anyone else coming down the stairs with a bugle or a feather or whatever other props they may find backstage. It's great theatrics, but again--doesn't do it for me most of the time.

Can we talk about something real quick? I hate, hate, hate loud eaters. HATE them, and I seem to be surrounded by them. Discuss.
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 07:43:38 AM
Lovely stories....and welcome to Stuart as a full Member and to Dan the HHW GOD....wowow....Maya and Dan....two in two days!

Great story DR PANNI.  
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on May 25, 2004, 07:51:34 AM
I won't even comment on being called Miss Skin and Bones.

When I first read this I thought it said "Miss Skull and Bones".

Then I thought, "Hmmm...  Great movie title--"Miss Skull and Bones".

I'm envisioning a Sandra Bullock pic in which she inadvertantly becomes a pirate...maybe she meant to become a pilot--no, no--too derivative...maybe she and her kid brother and sister are taken captive by priates and she's challenged by the pirate captain to a sword fight during which she accidently knocks him overboard.  Of course, the crew elect her their new captain.  And since she is a former Wall Street financial whiz, she excells at leading her pirate crew on raids and thus gains some well-needed self-confidence.  However, she begins to realize the corrupting effects a pirate life has on her brother and sister, and she makes the decision to quit.  But the crew won't let her.  And the original pirate captain (John Cleese?) has been in hot pursuit in order to regain his position.  Not sure how this should climax--maybe a fire on the pirate ship with the kids in danger and Miss Bullock to the rescue.  Also need a true villain--the John Cleese pirate captain is a comic villain who Miss Skull and Bones teams up with in the end to rescue the kids and defeat the true villain--her ex-husband?  her former Wall Street business partner?  Yes--her female ex-partner (Glenn Close?  Helen Mirren?), who also becomes pirate-like in her villainy.  Must have a sword fight between them!  Love interest for Miss Skull and Bones?  hmmmm...

Don't mind me--I'm just spinning out loud here...

I love the creative process!
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 07:54:09 AM
You know DTM, a bunch of us from a certain agency in Indianapolis were sent out on a call for pirates....so a lot of us wore eyepatches....unfortunately the call was for guys to play pilots.....
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on May 25, 2004, 08:22:49 AM
You know DTM, a bunch of us from a certain agency in Indianapolis were sent out on a call for pirates....so a lot of us wore eyepatches....unfortunately the call was for guys to play pilots.....

LOL!  I guess the only thing to do in a case like that is to interject a lot of Arrrrrrrs into your reading.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 25, 2004, 08:28:03 AM
When I first read this I thought it said "Miss Skull and Bones".

Then I thought, "Hmmm...  Great movie title--"Miss Skull and Bones".

I'm envisioning a Sandra Bullock pic in which she inadvertantly becomes a pirate...maybe she meant to become a pilot--no, no--too derivative...maybe she and her kid brother and sister are taken captive by priates and she's challenged by the pirate captain to a sword fight during which she accidently knocks him overboard.  Of course, the crew elect her their new captain.  And since she is a former Wall Street financial whiz, she excells at leading her pirate crew on raids and thus gains some well-needed self-confidence.  However, she begins to realize the corrupting effects a pirate life has on her brother and sister, and she makes the decision to quit.  But the crew won't let her.  And the original pirate captain (John Cleese?) has been in hot pursuit in order to regain his position.  Not sure how this should climax--maybe a fire on the pirate ship with the kids in danger and Miss Bullock to the rescue.  Also need a true villain--the John Cleese pirate captain is a comic villain who Miss Skull and Bones teams up with in the end to rescue the kids and defeat the true villain--her ex-husband?  her former Wall Street business partner?  Yes--her female ex-partner (Glenn Close?  Helen Mirren?), who also becomes pirate-like in her villainy.  Must have a sword fight between them!  Love interest for Miss Skull and Bones?  hmmmm...

Don't mind me--I'm just spinning out loud here...

I love the creative process!
You could always have the ship sail over the edge of the world...no, that's been done (Monty Python's the Meaning of Life).
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Post by: MBarnum on May 25, 2004, 08:38:18 AM
Jason, I know what you mean about lound eaters!

I have a co-worker (right next to me) who eats with his mouth open whenever he eats anything, so that you hear the smacking of gums or whatever. It drives me absolutely crazy....particularly if it is early in the morning. But he is a super nice guy and he is the father of another co-worker who is a good friend so I just grin and bear it.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on May 25, 2004, 08:39:16 AM
Good Morning!

Whew!  My "not so Evil Eye" has not knocked on my door yet!  -But I can hear someone moving down the hall, along with various faint knocks, and doors opening and closing...In any case, it was great to sleep in - and an even greater surprise when I looked at the clock and saw that it was later than I thought it would be.  In any case...

As for the Topics of the Day...

I also like "Geisha Boy".  Channel 20 in Washington, DC would show it regularly, and I would always end up finding myself glued to the TV when I was younger.  The expressions of the little boy still get to me in the TV set in my mind.  And I always thought it would be neat to stowaway in a plane like that.

I know I've seen "The Nutty Professor" - and like it - but I'm trying to remember the last time I've seen it... It's been years!

As for Jerry Herman songs... As I've mentioned before, I've never seen a Jerry Herman musical on stage, and I actually don't think I've ever made it all the way through a Jerry Herman musical on film either.  That being said, the score for Mack & Mabel is one of my favorites: "Time Heals Everything", "Wherever He Ain't", "I Won't Send Roses", etc.

On the flip side, for some reason "Put On Your Sunday Clothes" doesn't sit too well with me.  It just kind of bugs me for some reason.  And "Ribbons Down My Back" truly annoys me - at least when I play it at auditions.

OK - Well time for me to do something ???... and step out for a few minutes so that the "not so Evil Eye" can have her chance to tidy up today.
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Post by: Panni on May 25, 2004, 08:56:02 AM
Miss Skull and Bones, that's me.  (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-056.gif)

TOD - I haven't seen a Jerry Lewis movie in years, so I can't really comment. I CAN say that Dean Martin was a superb, highly underrated straightman.

As for the other Jerry... Mr. Herman IMHO is also highly underrated. He's written some great stuff. My faves have all been mentioned, but here's the list of what I can think of now. (And I'm by no means familiar with all his work).

Time Heals Everything
Before The Parade Passes
So Long Dearie
My Best Girl
Best Of Times
If He Walked Into My Life
It Only Takes A Moment
Put On Your Sunday Clothes
We Need A Little Christmas
Open a New Window

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Post by: Dan (the Man) on May 25, 2004, 09:08:48 AM
Miss Skull and Bones, that's me.  (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-056.gif)

Pirate Panni!  Hoop-la!
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Post by: TCB on May 25, 2004, 09:26:11 AM
Jerry Lewis films:

"The Nutty Professor"
"Cinderfella"

...but my favorite was always, "The Delicate Delinquent" -- I loved that film!

Jerry Herman songs (I admit it, I love hs music):

Put On Your Sunday Clothes
So Long Dearie
Hello, Dolly!
We Need A Little Christmas
It's Today
If He Walked Into My Life
Mame
My Best Girl
Love Is Only Love
Dear World
I Won't Send Roses
Look Over There
I am What I Am
With You On My Arm
Avenue A
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Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 09:27:37 AM
DR BEEKAY, I think that Mack & Mabel is one of those B'way failures that really does deserve a second chance.  I've loved it ever since my senior year high school class performed it.  I disagree with the experts like Mandlebaum who say that the book and/or subject matter is unworkable--I think it's a pretty solid book. And the score is one of the best around!  

If it were revived, I would hope that they would cast someone a little off-kilter as Mabel instead of going for the obvious.  The role calls for a good physical commedianne and not just someone who can belt out the songs.  Anyone have any ideas?

I don't know about casting, but isn't this actually being readied for a comeback ("I hate that word...it's a 'return' "--a Sunset Blvd. reference), a revival?  I'd read that the late Michael Stewart's sister is (was?) rewriting the book.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 25, 2004, 09:29:18 AM
Good morning all.  BK I know it's too late now, but couldn't you just have moved your car (early) on to the next stree?

As for DR Jose's story about the leading actor changing his mind to go on, I can see it from both points of view.  Sure it was cruel to do that to the understudy after all those plans had been made.  But it's also possible that the leading actor either a) had such a strict work ethic and never wanted to miss a show or b) felt like the audience would be disappointed not to see him.
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Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 09:30:50 AM
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 09:38:49 AM
Mini-frenzy here, but it seems that somewhere along the line I have become a Full Member.

No comments from the peanut gallery, or those of us still waiting for that shirtless A/C repairman.

DR Stuart, congratulation on your status upgrade!

Waiting or hoping?
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: JoseSPiano on May 25, 2004, 09:46:19 AM
Good morning all.  BK I know it's too late now, but couldn't you just have moved your car (early) on to the next stree?

As for DR Jose's story about the leading actor changing his mind to go on, I can see it from both points of view.  Sure it was cruel to do that to the understudy after all those plans had been made.  But it's also possible that the leading actor either a) had such a strict work ethic and never wanted to miss a show or b) felt like the audience would be disappointed not to see him.

I can see it from both sides too... Unfortunately, in this case there was some malevolence on the part of the "overstudy" when he decided to go ahead and go on that evening.  -I had left that part out - and it does make a difference.  The "understudy" would have been "fine" with not going on that night, but, unfortunately, the "overstudy" was the quite the divo at the time, and was being quite difficult throughout the production.  So...

And, again, the "overstudy's" absence that night was announced weeks in advance, and the lobby card had already been posted with the understudy information.

-And I still haven't done anything...  But I think I'm going to go ahead and take a nice walk around the neighborhood again and get some lunch along the way.

Laters...
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Post by: TCB on May 25, 2004, 09:49:35 AM
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Post by: bk on May 25, 2004, 09:54:00 AM
Well, the street is whatever it is and it's blocked at both sides.  I must say, whatever they did they did quietly and now it is eerily quiet out there.  Eerily, do you hear me?
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Post by: Jennifer on May 25, 2004, 09:54:34 AM
DR Jose: Did you make up the word "overstudy". I like it. :)
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 09:55:00 AM
How can Ginger Rogers write in her autobiography that she only missed one performance when she was doing HELLO, DOLLY! on Broadway, and David Merrick's biographer write that the only person who missed MORE performances was Pearl Bailey?

There was talk that the conductor was instructed to give his downbeat for the overture as soon as the announcement was spoken: "Tonight the part of Mrs Levi will be played by Bibi Osterwald." Downbeat  and at that moment simultaneously, the box office refund window would be shut tight.

It became known as the "Ginger Rogers downbeat."
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 09:57:59 AM
That may be fine for those who live on the street....but what about people who might be coming to visit you?

It reminds me of an episode of the Outer Limits.  And remember what the policeman said in BEGINNING OF THE END?  One little town in Illinois had been wiped off the face of the map, but the government was keeping it quiet.....exactly how do you keep a thing like that quiet?  Especially with Peggie Castle on the job?
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Post by: Panni on May 25, 2004, 10:07:30 AM
bk - I won't be around for a few hours to read it (have to do some reading for a lunch meeting) but I'd like to hear if there were some interesting Jerry Lewis A's to the Q's last night.
Thanking you in advance,
Ms. Skull and Bones
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Post by: Panni on May 25, 2004, 10:08:59 AM
...aka Pirate Panni.
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Post by: Jason on May 25, 2004, 10:14:54 AM
Shakalaka, Panni...!
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Post by: bk on May 25, 2004, 10:21:22 AM
At this point, Mr. Lewis answers by rote, although he is charming doing so.  I saw this same film in Vegas a few years ago with him in attendance - same answers then, because everyone tends to ask the same questions.  He never really went into details about how he invented the video assist back in the mid-sixties, but he implied he's gotten a lot of money from it.  This I doubt as I don't think he patented it (which he should have).  He said his only participation in The Nutty Professor remakes was insisting on Eddie Murphy.  When asked how he liked them he said, "They worked hard."
He spoke lovingly of Dean Martin and he told us that his book, Memories, might be out as soon as Christmas or, if not, then by early next year.  Very doubtful as he's still (according to him) got 100 pages to go on a three thousand page manuscript (he admits that if you consolidated his pages that the manuscript would run only 1600 pages - still, even as a book book it would run 1000 pages easily, if that's the case).  
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 10:31:28 AM
There are valid arguments for the validation of the California same-sex marriage licenses issued.....but this woman arguing the case is completely incompetent.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on May 25, 2004, 10:36:52 AM
As a joke once, I bought my pal, Mr. Drake, a used record album I found of Jerry Lewis singing as a gag birthday present.  It was called, appropriately enough, Jerry Sings...or something like that.  

Since I'm not much a fan of Lewis or Herman, I guess just about the worst present anyone could give me would be a CD of Jerry Sings Jerry!  I could think of nothing more excruciating than hearing Jerry Lewis sing Hello, Dolly or Mame or, God forbid, I Am What I Am.

Does Anyone remember when Jerry Lewis had a short-lived two-hour variety show on Saturday night?  One time his only guest, if memory serves, was Sammy Davis, Jr.  Wow!  Was that a packed two hours of entertainment.  They twirled guns,played drums, sang, danced, and everything!

My most distinct Jerry Lewis memory is when Sinatra brought Dino on the Telethon.  That was a TV moment.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on May 25, 2004, 10:45:58 AM
I just read that Smiles of a Summer Night was released on DVD today.  It's a Criterion release, so it's probably pricey.  I'll have to check to see if Tower Records has it on sale.
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Post by: Jason on May 25, 2004, 10:54:47 AM
This just in: Cyndi Lauper is rumoured to be Ms. Kerry Butler's replacement in LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS on Broadway. Anthony Rapp is rumoured for the national tour. These are only rumours, but I think they're interesting and since I have nothing else to talk about today, I thought I'd perpetuate the rumours. They're not hurtful rumours, so I feel no guilt in doing this...
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on May 25, 2004, 11:03:16 AM
Page Three Dance

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Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 25, 2004, 11:12:56 AM
Relevant to last night's finale to "The Swan" -- a "reality" show in which a bunch of low-self-esteem-plagued plain janes undergo extreme makeovers and therapy to compete in a beauty pageant for the title of "The Swan" -- the hosts of a local San Francisco radio "drive" show this morning were talking about the contestants: "It didn't look right to me, somehow."  "What do you mean?"  "Well, they looked fake...like a bunch of drag queens pretending to be pretty women!"

I nearly rear-ended a bus!

In addition to the multitude of great, magnificent Jerry Herman tunes mentioned this morning, I'll add "The Tea Party" from "Dear World" as one of the finest musical constructs ever.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on May 25, 2004, 11:33:09 AM
Calvin & Hobbs!  Boy, do I miss that comic strip!

Another Lewis memory.  One I used to listen to, after I had gone to bed...There was a spate of time when he took over the Tonight Show after Jack Paar left as interim host.  I used to listen to him and Hugh Downs banter in the opening twenty minutes of the show from my bedroom when they folks would watch the show every night.  Is my memory playing tricks on me or did this actually happen?
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Post by: Stuart on May 25, 2004, 11:33:59 AM
In addition to the multitude of great, magnifience Jerry Herman tunes mentioned this morning, I'll add "The Tea Party" from "Dear World" as one of the finest musical constructs ever.  

I agree, DR RLP, that the Tea Party sequence is a marvel of contrapuntal composition.  And that his efforts in this manner are often overlooked (but show up in many of his scores).  But it's not a Herman tune that I sing in the shower.
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Post by: Jane on May 25, 2004, 11:35:42 AM
CONGRATULATIONS MAYA!  You are a great addition to the clouds.  

MBarnum your Sun Goddess is really cute.

Singerdreamer, you have my favorite color of hair.

Jason hope you are feeling better today.  Be sure to let us know which role you do get.

JoseSPiano it sounds to me as if your friend, the “understudy”, was a big threat to the “overstudy”,
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 25, 2004, 11:36:36 AM
I agree, DR RLP, that the Tea Party sequence is a marvel of contrapuntal composition.  And that his efforts in this manner are often overlooked (but show up in many of his scores).  But it's not a Herman tune that I sing in the shower.

Hmmmm....that might be an interesting sound if you did!

I think the recording is a miracle, though....so spacious and all the parts beautifully balanced.

Every time I hear "The Tea Party," I then have to haul out "A Little Night Music" and revel in "Now, Soon, Later."

And "vice-a versa!!!"
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Post by: Jennifer on May 25, 2004, 11:52:41 AM
So who will win American Idol?

Will it matter who performs better tonight?

Or what the judges say?

I think Fantasia will win.
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Post by: Jane on May 25, 2004, 11:58:53 AM


I CAN say that Dean Martin was a superb, highly underrated straightman.

I wouldn’t say that since he is constantly being referred to as the greatest staightman ever.
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 11:59:05 AM
DR CPOGUE it could have happened.  In addition to the 2-Hour Jerry Lewis Train Wreck, I recall an hour show on Tuesday or Thursday evening sometime afterwards where one of his characters was Ralph Rotten, a crippled mad scientist...and it made me laugh.

I also remember Redd Foxx's Comedy Hour which I enjoyed a lot, especially Raymond J. Johnson Jr....but you doesn't have to call me that, you can me Ray, you can call me Jay, you can call me RJ or you can call me Ray Jay....or you can call me RJJ, Jr, but ya doesn't has to call me Johnson!

LOL...

Back to the Beach will be released on DVD next Tuesday....Annette sings Pajama Party Tonight and Jamaica Ska!
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Post by: bk on May 25, 2004, 12:01:39 PM
Back from a walk (my only mode of transportation until six).  Very gray and chilly out today.
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Post by: Noel on May 25, 2004, 12:07:56 PM
I hate Times Square.  I've been known to shout at people.  "Hey, it's called a sideWALK, not a sideSTAND"
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Post by: Jane on May 25, 2004, 12:12:47 PM
I love THE NUTTY PROFESSER and it is my absolute favorite Jerry Lewis movie.  I did think he was wonderful in The King of Comedy but it isn’t a movie I would want to watch over and over again.

I always found Jerry Lewis to be an entertaining guest on talk shows.  Recently, on either E:True Hollywood Story or ET Biography-it wasn’t on A & E, we saw the best biography on him we have ever seen of anyone.  Mostly this biography was so impressive due to the interviews with Jerry.

I can’t say I have a Jerry Herman favorite.  And obviously some of you don’t have a favorite either, you just like them all.  There are some long lists here.

CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR NEWEST GOD, Dan-in-Toronto.



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Post by: Panni on May 25, 2004, 12:12:51 PM
Just checking in to say hello. Must get dressed for my "creative" meeting. It's actually more of a getting to know you meeting before the Network meeting tomorrow afternoon. Two of the producers I already know - did MISS ROSE WHITE with them. The other person I don't think I've met before - but who knows. The one little problem is that I feel like I'm going to vomit - probably nerves - but it would be bad form to vomit on the production executives, no? Emily Post says vomiting on people with whom you are about to work is BAD form.
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Post by: Stuart on May 25, 2004, 12:15:54 PM
I can’t say I have a Jerry Herman favorite.  And obviously some of you don’t have a favorite either, you just like them all.  There are some long lists here.

Guilty.  But his tunes are just so gosh-darn infectious!
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Post by: Panni on May 25, 2004, 12:16:40 PM
Update - I just did some deep breathing and don't feel quite as nauseated.
Over and out.
Pirate P.
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Post by: Jane on May 25, 2004, 12:23:28 PM
Panni I shouldn't laugh when you are feeling so stressed, but you are funny.  Good luck with the meeting.
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Post by: Ben on May 25, 2004, 12:24:16 PM
It's good that you're feeling less nauseated, DR Panni. And you're right, it's not proper to vomit on people with whom you are interviewing, but remember, Benjamin Kritzer has taught us, if you are going to vomit, you must "vomit on the floor"

DR Noel, as you approach your G*d hood (only 7 away), perhaps you will be able to float over the touristas on Broadway and 7th Avenue.

BTW (by the way), love the comment. I'll have to use it next time I am stuck behind someone who suddenly forgot how to walk and I end up in his or her back.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on May 25, 2004, 12:47:06 PM
Good Afternoon!

Not too bad outside today - even though the temp is supposedly right around 90, the humidity is down.

My walk today took me to the Peruvian restaurant just a few blocks from where I'm staying.  Very bare bones, very family oriented.  And pretty good food.  I had some beef that was prepared "adobo" style  accompanied by some white beans and rice, as well as some particularly good pickled red onion slices.  However, I found the fried corn kernels that were put down on the table as soon as I sat down very addictive.  It was like eating a small dish of "old maids" (the half-popped kernels at the bottom of the popcorn bowl - although, "pop nots" is a better name for them).  But I could tell these were prepared in house, and they were still slightly warm.   Soooo good.  And to wash it all down, I had an Inca Cola - just love that bubble gum-my flavor.

Oh, and now I must do some laundry...
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 25, 2004, 12:47:47 PM

DR Noel, as you approach your G*d hood (only 7 away), perhaps you will be able to float over the touristas on Broadway and 7th Avenue.

BTW (by the way), love the comment. I'll have to use it next time I am stuck behind someone who suddenly forgot how to walk and I end up in his or her back.

Gosh, Ben!  Would you really say something like that to folks on the sidewalk?  What if they're taking pictures?

However did you manage to get all those pictures in your travels of you and yours standing in front of buildings?  Did the photographer float or stand in the street?

:)

I'd think that in New York, particularly, a saucy comment like that could leave a fella with a black eye or something....

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Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 12:52:46 PM
Click here for some wav files of Mr Martin and Mr Lewis having a VERY bad time of it trying to record some promos for THE CADDY.

http://humor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.earthstation1.com/Martin%5F%26amp%3B%5FLewis.html (http://humor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.earthstation1.com/Martin%5F%26amp%3B%5FLewis.html)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 25, 2004, 12:59:15 PM
JRand53 -- we all know that DR Matt is sweltering in heat and humidity, and we know that DR BK is having a gray and cool day.

The Bay Area is quite coolish and partly gray, too.

How are things in Indiana... this fine day?
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Post by: Jed on May 25, 2004, 01:01:10 PM
Not much of a fan of either Jerry, but there are a few bits of Herman I enjoy.  Time Heals Everything would top my list.

Talk of pirates reminds me of an English class my senior year in HS.  My friend Joey was/is a rather hilarious individual, and he was on a bit of a pirate kick at the time.  A bee was flying around the classroom, and Joey commenced freaking out to get away from the bee.  The teacher (one of my all-time favorites) asked, "Joey, how are you ever going to make it as a pirate if a little bee freaks you out?"  Joey's instant response: "Arrrr, there be no bees on the high seas!"
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Post by: Emily on May 25, 2004, 01:03:02 PM
LMAO Jed!!! :D
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 25, 2004, 01:07:13 PM
And because I miss Italy today....
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 25, 2004, 01:09:35 PM
Iff'n there were bees on the high seas, they'd probably hover around the rum kegs....

...and then there'd be "high" Bees and none of 'em could hit their "high" C's!
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 01:20:58 PM
RLP it is a balmy 77 degrees here today.  Thunderstorms are expected as the evening goes along, but that's okay.

Spent the morning taking my sister to the BMV and traveling to the bank and post office....so just an average day.

Thanks for asking.  The way it's been going, I was beginning the think my posts were invisible.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 25, 2004, 01:22:23 PM
Ya know how you can stare at something and suddenly see a face in it?  Sometimes, it's there every time you look, and other times you have to kind of fix your eyes a certain way...

Anyway, there's a vista of a group of trees and buildings out a window near me and every time I look at it, I see a face.  Today, it reminds me of Howard Keel in "Kismet" as he might have been depicted by Kapralik.  It looks different depending upon the amount of foliage on the trees, but today it's definitely Keel.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 25, 2004, 01:31:22 PM
One two, buckle my shoe....
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 25, 2004, 01:31:33 PM
Three, four, I'm out the door...
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Post by: Robin on May 25, 2004, 01:31:50 PM
My favorite Jerry Lewis (and Dean Martin) picture is Artists and Models.  Shirley Maclaine is darlingly darling in it, too.

My favorite Jerry Herman song is "I Don't Want to Know" from Dear World, followed by "And I Was Beautiful" from the same show.  I've never seen Dear World on stage, and I'd really like to.  

My favorite Jerry Goldsmith score is Chinatown...followed very closely by Star Trek: The Motion Picture.  Yeah, yeah, yeah...I know Jerry Goldsmith wasn't included in the Jerrython, but the Jerryness of it all was inspiring me to Jerrymander the Jerrylist.  (I think I have more Jerry Goldsmith music in my CD collection than any other composer/artist.)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 25, 2004, 01:31:53 PM
...and here I am, a God once more!
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Post by: Robin on May 25, 2004, 01:34:14 PM
(Insert Page Four Dance here.)
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Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 01:39:28 PM
Hmmmm....that might be an interesting sound if you did!

I think the recording is a miracle, though....so spacious and all the parts beautifully balanced.

Every time I hear "The Tea Party," I then have to haul out "A Little Night Music" and revel in "Now, Soon, Later."

And "vice-a versa!!!"

I LOVE songs that do this, when songs have more than one part sung at the same time.  I think someone used the term "quodlibet."  I've put together 13 compilation CDs of songs like this (13 so far...I'm already collecting songs for my 14th)!
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 01:40:11 PM
Congratulations HHW GOD RLP reDux!
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Post by: Danise on May 25, 2004, 01:42:13 PM
Hello all1

I would have posted sooner but I got up early to take the tour of NYC and it took longer than I thought.

I can't say enough about how nice it was to meet Elmore and how much I enjoyed the dinner.  I was so stressed and frazzled but after dinner I felt so calm.

You are a prince among men, Elmore.  I thank you from the bottom of heart for taking time from your busy schedule to give someone who was so overwhelmed a chance to catch her breath and have have someone to talk to.  I said it last night and I'll say it again.  You are the highlight of this whole trip.

You and DR Jane who I just got off the phone with (again!).  I can't believe that someone would call me long distance just to check on how I'm feeling/doing.  

I have never had a big family/brothers or sisters so it really brings tears to my eyes and a full heart to be so well thought of.

Believe it or not I went out shortly afterwards and walked down Broadway, stopped at the Toys R Us store and rode the feris wheel (sp?) and even bought myself a stuffed black lab who reminded me of Bear.

Going to see Wonderful Town tonight.  I hope to go see a show tomorrow afternoon and I have a ticket for Wicked, Thursday I meet with another friend and we go to see Boyz from OZ then Friday, go home.

It was the time spent with friends that made this trip something I will never forget.

Talk with you all again soon.
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 01:48:28 PM
...and here I am, a God once more!

Be careful, or you'll turn into one of those folk who see the Virgin Mary in oil slicks and raisin cookies!
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 01:57:09 PM
You are a prince among men, Elmore.  I thank you from the bottom of heart for taking time from your busy schedule to give someone who was so overwhelmed a chance to catch her breath and have have someone to talk to.  I said it last night and I'll say it again.  You are the highlight of this whole trip.

You and DR Jane who I just got off the phone with (again!).  I can't believe that someone would call me long distance just to check on how I'm feeling/doing.  


DRDanise,  I blush at your generous assessment of my character and thank you for your kind words.  I'm sure I have both critics and friends who would disagree with you.  We are in agreement that DRJane is one of nature's wonders and the salt of the earth.

I should be thanking you for a wonderful break from a tedious job.  I hope the rest of your visit goes swimmingly, that each show and sight you see fills you with joy and amusement, and that you return safely.
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Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 01:59:52 PM
...and here I am, a God once more!

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Post by: Charles Pogue on May 25, 2004, 02:13:40 PM
Robin, my favourite Goldsmith score is either Legend or Wind & The Lion.
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 02:14:19 PM
DANISE - enjoy enjoy enjoy!!!!
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Post by: Tomovoz on May 25, 2004, 02:15:19 PM
DR BEEKAY, I think that Mack & Mabel is one of those B'way failures that really does deserve a second chance.  I've loved it ever since my senior year high school class performed it.  I disagree with the experts like Mandlebaum who say that the book and/or subject matter is unworkable--I think it's a pretty solid book. And the score is one of the best around!  

If it were revived, I would hope that they would cast someone a little off-kilter as Mabel instead of going for the obvious.  The role calls for a good physical commedianne and not just someone who can belt out the songs.  Anyone have any ideas?

Caroline o'Connor was brilliant. London and here in Melbourne.
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 02:16:32 PM
DR CharlesPogue - I remember sitting in the theatre watching THE WIND AND LION and thinking it was one of the most exciting movies EVER.  A wonderful cast, lovely photography, an interesting story....and MUSIC!  

I wish I could see it at the theatre again....it's okay on TV....but in a theatre....it was a movie MOVIE!!!!  I was a bit surprised that Brian Keith didn't get an Oscar nomination for Best Supporting Actor....or did he?
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Post by: Maya on May 25, 2004, 02:16:33 PM
CONGRATULATIONS MAYA!  You are a great addition to the clouds.  


Aww, thanks, Jane, you're so sweet!

I hate Times Square.  I've been known to shout at people.  "Hey, it's called a sideWALK, not a sideSTAND"

Usually, I'm pretty courteous...but Times Square is the one place in the world where I feel no compunction pushing people out of my way.

I'm not a huge Herman fan either, but I do love the scores of "Mame" and "Mack and Mabel."

Some favorites--

If He Walked Into My Life
Bosom Buddies
It's Today
I Won't Send Roses
Time Heals Everything
Wherever He Ain't
Look What Happened to Mabel
I've Never Said I Love You
I Don't Want to Know
Kiss Her Now
Marianne
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Post by: Jed on May 25, 2004, 02:43:47 PM
I LOVE songs that do this, when songs have more than one part sung at the same time.  I think someone used the term "quodlibet."  I've put together 13 compilation CDs of songs like this (13 so far...I'm already collecting songs for my 14th)!

Wow!  As a great fan of quodlibet, I'm envious of such a collection!  Hmm... perhaps I should start going through my collection and pulling tracks... :)
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Post by: Matt H. on May 25, 2004, 02:44:28 PM
I agree with you, Ben about A DAY IN HOLLYWOOD/A NIGHT IN THE UKRAINE. It's a brilliant yet unheralded revue (if you have the multi-talented cast to pull off its effects in both acts; it's a painful long night if you don't), and Jerry Herman's three numbers are precious.
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Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 02:48:24 PM
Wow!  As a great fan of quodlibet, I'm envious of such a collection!  Hmm... perhaps I should start going through my collection and pulling tracks... :)

If you're interested, I could send you my Word file of all the discs.  I didn't, however, write which shows or CDs they came from, just the song title and artist(s)...or do you have a Mac?  If you do, a Word file probably wouldn't work, would it?  Or can it be converted? (almost a Starlight Express reference)
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Post by: Matt H. on May 25, 2004, 02:54:30 PM
DR Jrand wrote: "DR CPOGUE it could have happened.  In addition to the 2-Hour Jerry Lewis Train Wreck, I recall an hour show on Tuesday or Thursday evening sometime afterwards where one of his characters was Ralph Rotten, a crippled mad scientist...and it made me laugh."

Yes, Jerry Lewis' first variety show (I thought it was 90 minutes) was one of THE bombs of all time. Horrendously low ratings and was pulled off the air relatively quickly, I think, which was unusual back in those days.

His Tuesday night NBC variety hour ran two seasons which was a little better for his ego. I read somewhere that the ABC fiasco left him close to suicide.

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Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 02:55:11 PM
I LOVE songs that do this, when songs have more than one part sung at the same time.  I think someone used the term "quodlibet."  I've put together 13 compilation CDs of songs like this (13 so far...I'm already collecting songs for my 14th)!

DR George, do you know "A More Than Ordinary Glorious Vocabulary" from the Off-Broadway ALL IN LOVE by Jack Urbont?  It's a second-rate score with 2 or 3 first-rate items like the quodlibet I just asked if you knew.  I'd like that on CD.  I believe that Jonathan Tunick once told me some of the recording charts are his.
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Post by: Matt H. on May 25, 2004, 02:57:53 PM
DR CharlesPogue - I remember sitting in the theatre watching THE WIND AND LION and thinking it was one of the most exciting movies EVER.  A wonderful cast, lovely photography, an interesting story....and MUSIC!  

I wish I could see it at the theatre again....it's okay on TV....but in a theatre....it was a movie MOVIE!!!!  I was a bit surprised that Brian Keith didn't get an Oscar nomination for Best Supporting Actor....or did he?

No, Brian Keith didn't get an Oscar nomination for it, but I rememeber many people being shocked that he didn't. The DVD is supposed to look VERY good, but I don't have it. To be honest, I've never made it all the way through the film. Never saw it at the theater, and haven't lasted through TV renditions, but I'd be more than willing to give it another chance.
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 02:59:47 PM
Wow!  As a great fan of quodlibet, I'm envious of such a collection!  Hmm... perhaps I should start going through my collection and pulling tracks... :)

I just realized I wrote a quodlibet for a production of WINNIE THE POOH in 1972.   Pooh sang "It's very very funny but I thought I had some honey" in 2/4,  Piglet sang "Cottleston Pie" in 3/4 and then the two songs went together.  I wonder where that score is these days?  This might be the start of a Guy Haines album!
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 02:59:55 PM
Of course, DRMATTH, it was not a train wreck compared to Jimmy Durante presents The Lennon Sisters which I think Jerry replaced on ABC or vice versa in the Saturday night ABC Graveyard of the early 1960's!

Wait for WATL at a revival theatre, MATTH....it isn't nearly the same on TV....not as bad as what TV does to EL CID...but close.

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Post by: Matt H. on May 25, 2004, 03:01:15 PM
COngratulations to new god DR Dan and to our first repeat deity, DR RLP.

And I'm happy to say the A/C has finally been fixed, and I now am typing in relative comfort and a definite lack of humidity.
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Post by: Jrand73 on May 25, 2004, 03:04:05 PM
DR MATTH - it's always nice to be comfortable!  ;D


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Post by: Matt H. on May 25, 2004, 03:07:19 PM
DR JRand wrote: "Of course, DRMATTH, it was not a train wreck compared to Jimmy Durante presents The Lennon Sisters which I think Jerry replaced on ABC or vice versa in the Saturday night ABC Graveyard of the early 1960's!"

Yep, it was bad, and Pearl Bailey's variety show didn't last but half a season either. Except for THE HOLLYWOOD PALACE (which ran four years) and LAWRENCE WELK, ABC didn't have much luck with variety shows in the 1960s and afterwards.

I suspect Julie Andrews' brilliant hour wouldn't have made it a full season if she hadn't had an ironclad contract for two seasons. (The second season reverted to a series of specials, but she still got paid for a full year of shows - good for her!)

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Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 03:15:41 PM
DR George, do you know "A More Than Ordinary Glorious Vocabulary" from the Off-Broadway ALL IN LOVE by Jack Urbont?  It's a second-rate score with 2 or 3 first-rate items like the quodlibet I just asked if you knew.  I'd like that on CD.  I believe that Jonathan Tunick once told me some of the recording charts are his.

I've never heard of this!  Like I wrote earlier, I'm compiling my 14th disc so any suggestions are most appreciated!  Not that I'll be able to get everything ::), but it's nice to have the suggestions.
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Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 03:19:01 PM
I just realized I wrote a quodlibet for a production of WINNIE THE POOH in 1972.   Pooh sang "It's very very funny but I thought I had some honey" in 2/4,  Piglet sang "Cottleston Pie" in 3/4 and then the two songs went together.  I wonder where that score is these days?  This might be the start of a Guy Haines album!

If he's interested, I'd be more than willing to send BK (Guy's very own inimitable producer) my list for suggestions!
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Post by: Tomovoz on May 25, 2004, 03:25:20 PM
Congratulations to new and recycled Gods!
I am to enjoy this lovely Autumn day.  Back in about 7 hours to check on the many many posts!

TIMES SQUARE
Those people in Times Square may well be the ones that keep the lights on on Broadway! It may also be a "one off" for them to be there in that wonderful vibrant city. Wouldn't you guys be overwhelmed and stop and look if you had read about something all your life and then had your chance to go there?
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 25, 2004, 04:15:08 PM
DR MattH, it's good to see you up and posting regularly again.

You were missed!
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Post by: Jennifer on May 25, 2004, 04:25:16 PM
DR George: Could you post some of the songs on your list.  I love those songs too. And I didn't know what there name was.

I wonder where the name "quodlibet" came from?
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Post by: Panni on May 25, 2004, 04:29:21 PM
Congratulations to all the new deities!

I'm back from my meeting. Did not vomit on anyone or even on the floor.
DR Ben - I wasn't interviewing for the job - I have the job. I was just feeling nauseated. :P  I'm fine now.

Shakalaka, maities!
Pirate Panni
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Post by: Jennifer on May 25, 2004, 04:30:29 PM
DR Danise's post brought tears to my eyes.

DR Elmore and DR Jane, sounds like you guys made her day that much brighter.  Sometimes such simple things can end up meaning so much!
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Post by: Charles Pogue on May 25, 2004, 04:32:05 PM
I saw Wind and The Lion also in the theatre and thought it one of the most stirring things I had seen in a long time.  It came at a time when there was a dearth of smart  period adventure films being made.  But, man, that score!  Oddly enough, after a long drought of adventure movies, besides Wind & The Lion,  The Man Who Would Be King also appeared that year.

I saw a production of MACK & MABEL in London in the mid-nineties.  I went to it because it had gotten good reviews and I had always heard the musical had deserved a second chance. Not from what I saw, it didn't...the book just didn't jell. It starred Howard McGillin and Caroline O'Connor, although the night I saw it, someone named Mark Adams played Mack.  This was 1996, after it had been running awhile and moved from the Haymarket to the Picadilly, which may've accounted for why the production seemed a little tired and ragged.  But even immaculately performed, I still couldn't see the book quite holding together.  It wasn't excruciatingly terrible, mind you; but it was certainly in the lower fourth of all the shows I've seen in London.
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 04:36:30 PM
Shakalaka, maities!
Pirate Panni

That'll learn ya.

Hopla!
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Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 04:40:14 PM
I saw a production of MACK & MABEL in London in the mid-nineties.  I went to it because it had gotten good reviews and I had always heard the musical had deserved a second chance. Not from what I saw, it didn't...the book just didn't jell. It starred Howard McGillin and Caroline O'Connor, although the night I saw it, someone named Mark Adams played Mack.  This was 1996, after it had been running awhile and moved from the Haymarket to the Picadilly, which may've accounted for why the production seemed a little tired and ragged.  But even immaculately performed, I still couldn't see the book quite holding together.  It wasn't excruciatingly terrible, mind you; but it was certainly in the lower fourth of all the shows I've seen in London.

This production had a CD released.  Here's (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002SJ8/qid=1085528289/sr=8-7/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i7_xgl15/102-6748481-5390563?v=glance&s=classical&n=507846) the amazon.com listing.  I like it a lot...but then I like Howard McGillin...a lot! ;)
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Post by: bk on May 25, 2004, 04:41:47 PM
Guy Haines doesn't know from words like quadlibet.

Wind and the Lion opened on a Friday in May 1975 at the Egyptian Theater.  I know this because we were shooting our final Nudie Musical sequence on Hollywood Blvd (the song The Lights and the Smiles).  We were in front of the Egyptian doing a shot with her walking (you can see Musso and the Vogue in the background.  We had one cop with us (all we could afford) and right in the middle of the shot the movie let out and this poor man was trying to hold back eight hundred people coming out of the Egyptian.
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Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 04:47:50 PM
DR George: Could you post some of the songs on your list.  I love those songs too. And I didn't know what there name was.

I wonder where the name "quodlibet" came from?

I don't remember where the word came from.  According to an online dictionary, the word means:

1.  a. A theological or philosophical issue presented for formal argument or disputation.
      b. The disputation itself.
2.  A usually humorous musical medley.


Anyway, I think I've posted this before, but here's the song list of my first CD:

1. One Step – George Lee Andrews, Loni Ackerman & Margery Cohen
2. It's a Lovely Day Today (reprise) & I Wonder Why & You're Just In Love – Lewis Cleale & Tyne Daly
3. The Goldfarb Variations – Cheryl Barnes, David Ogden Stiers, Annie McGreevey, Robert LuPone & Anita Morris
4. Who Could Be Blue & Little White House – Craig Lucas & Suzanne Henry
5. Dirty Old Men & A Nice Young Man – Cast of SOME LIKE IT HOT
6. Two Fairy Tales – Suzanne Henry & Craig Lucas
7. Two's Company – Cheryl Barnes & Annie McGreevey
8. Hey, Tom Sawyer – Cast of THE ADVENTURES OF TOM SAWYER
9. Who Is He & Never Put It In Writing & I Talk, You Talk – Leilani Jones & Timothy Nolen & Stubby Kaye
10. Wet – Karen Ziemba & Daniel McDonald
11. Toys – Drew Carey with Children & Parents
12. An Old Fashioned Wedding – Tom Wopat & Bernadette Peters
13. Just Because It's Magic – Julia Louis-Dreyfus & Drew Carey
14. Rain on the Roof & Ah, Paris! & Broadway Baby – Natalie Mosco and Donald Saddler & Liliane Montevecchi & Kaye Ballard
15. Skid Row (Downtown) – Lee Wilkof, Ellen Greene & Cast
16. Penniless Bums – Tommy Steele, Billy Boyle & Cast
17. A Thought Occurs (reprise) & Think About Tomorrow – Adrian Zmed, Eddie Korbich & Courtenay Collins
18. Trio – Adrian Zmed, Courtenay Collins & Eddie Korbich
19. Wait Until You're Married – Liz Larsen & Sal Viviano
20. You're Gonna Love Tomorrow & Love Will See Us Through – Howard McGillin and Daisy Prince & Jim Walton and Liz Callaway
21. In the Gloaming – Megan Mullally
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 04:49:16 PM
DR George: Could you post some of the songs on your list.  I love those songs too. And I didn't know what there name was.

I wonder where the name "quodlibet" came from?

DRJennifer, go to this site: www.abc.net.au/classic/breakfast/stories/s587492.htm

Hope that helps!
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 04:52:40 PM
DRGeorge, are you including any of Sir Arthur Sullivan's numbers from the operettas in your collection?  He liked using the form in choral numbers in PATIENCE, RUDDIGORE, YEOMAN OF THE GUARD.  I don't know how you'd consider the great "In a contemplative fashion" from THE GONDOLIERS.
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Post by: Jay on May 25, 2004, 05:00:55 PM
A question:  How does a quodlibet (in the musical theatre context) vary from a duet (or larger ensemble) in opera in which each of the lines is a different melody?  (One example might be the Miserere from Il Trovatore.)  Or can the term be used in opera, too?

By the way (BTW in internet lingo), I've never heard the term "quodlibet" until today.
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Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 05:08:06 PM
DRGeorge, are you including any of Sir Arthur Sullivan's numbers from the operettas in your collection?  He liked using the form in choral numbers in PATIENCE, RUDDIGORE, YEOMAN OF THE GUARD.  I don't know how you'd consider the great "In a contemplative fashion" from THE GONDOLIERS.

I probably would...if I were a great fan of G&S and were knowledgeable about their works.  I don't really know much of their works at all (at least not individual numbers), so I haven't included any in my CDs.  I mainly have used songs from musicals and some pop things.  I have a Barry Manilow song waiting to be put on my latest.  And I don't limit it to the strictest sense of the word.  I do have some songs that go back and forth ("Two Fairy Tales" by Sondheim, for one example), as opposed to two or more songs exclusively at the same time.

So essentially, I put in songs that I know and like.
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 05:08:25 PM
DRJay, the TROVATORE Miserere is basically a soprano solo with choral accompaniment, as I recall.  The trio in THE MIKADO< "I am so Proud" is a quodlibet:  3 distinct tunes sung individually by Pooh Bah, Koko and Pish Tush, which then combine together.  Does that help?
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 05:14:38 PM
Well, neither "Two Fairytales" nor "Baby, it's cold outside" are quodlibets, but Loesser's "Inchworm" is, with its two tunes.  The only pop song from the 60s I can think of is Doris Day's "Everybody loves a Lover."  I'm sure there are others but I'm not feeling that bright at the moment.

What the hell did I do?  I thought I had DRGeorge in quotes!
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 05:15:09 PM
Yes, but is it art?
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Post by: Jane on May 25, 2004, 05:26:50 PM
DR Danise's post brought tears to my eyes.

DR Elmore and DR Jane, sounds like you guys made her day that much brighter.  Sometimes such simple things can end up meaning so much!

Mine too Jennifer.  You are right how simple things can mean so much, yet I blush for the credit I get for a little phone call that was my pleasure to make.
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Post by: Jane on May 25, 2004, 05:31:54 PM
RLP CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR SECOND ASCENTION.  

I think Brian Keith was an underrated actor.

Matt H, stay cool from now on.

Panni you didn’t say how the meeting went.  I do hope that isn’t an indication it didn’t go well, just that you had things to do or were hungry now that it’s safe for you to eat.  :)
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Post by: Jane on May 25, 2004, 05:33:25 PM
This is interesting. ??? Do we need Bruce to fix the short screen?
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Post by: Ben on May 25, 2004, 05:39:45 PM
Wow, Elmore, when you quote, you go all the way :-)

BTW, I have All for Love on Vinyl. I hope to transfer it to CD some day.

TomofOz, you are right my friend. My remark was somewhat intemperate, especially for someone who takes pride in helping stranded or lost looking tourists. It is a funny line though, when you've been behind those walkers for 6 or 8 blocks and the sidewalks are so crowded that you have to jump the curb and walk on the street to get anywhere.
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Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 05:40:59 PM
I think that it'll be fixed when we get to page 6, but I think if Elmore can modify his posts (probably just the first one) and take out any "quote" brackets, that might fix it.  Just a guess, of course.
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Post by: Ben on May 25, 2004, 05:41:59 PM
Perhaps if Elmore goes back to his Quote post (numbers 133 and 134) and deletes them it will fix our screen problem. Only you can delete a post Elmore (although BK as Global Administrator can do that also). Also, only you can prevent forest fires (not a big threat here in Manhattan)
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Post by: Panni on May 25, 2004, 05:48:30 PM
Jane - Yes, my meeting was fine. I can never eat properly during meetings because it's about meeting not eating (that would make a good song!).
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Post by: Jay on May 25, 2004, 05:50:25 PM
DRJay, the TROVATORE Miserere is basically a soprano solo with choral accompaniment, as I recall.  The trio in THE MIKADO< "I am so Proud" is a quodlibet:  3 distinct tunes sung individually by Pooh Bah, Koko and Pish Tush, which then combine together.  Does that help?

Well, you've got the chorus doing "Miserere," Leonora geshraying over her situation, and Manrico yearning for Leonora, all to different melodies, at first separately, then all together.

A different example:  the conclusion of Act III of La Boheme, when Mimi and Rudolfo are singing one melody about waiting until spring to separate, and Marcello and Musetta bickering to a different melody, again, the two themes heard at first separately, and then together.
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Post by: Jay on May 25, 2004, 05:53:25 PM
I feel so.....so.......slim!
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Post by: bk on May 25, 2004, 05:58:43 PM
Fixed.  
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Post by: Jay on May 25, 2004, 05:59:20 PM
Boo!  Put it back the way it was, Dear Bruce.  I don't feel so slim any more.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on May 25, 2004, 06:14:46 PM
If anyone talks to DR Danise while she's still in the city, tell her to keep one night free--the  Fleet's   (http://www.newyorkled.com/nyc_events_Fleet_Week.htm)in!  She can do her own On The Town!

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Post by: S. Woody White on May 25, 2004, 06:26:49 PM
I hate Times Square.  I've been known to shout at people.  "Hey, it's called a sideWALK, not a sideSTAND"
Yes, Danise, that was Noel you heard shouting.
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Post by: Emily on May 25, 2004, 06:28:01 PM
In a very convoluted way all this talk about the Wind and the Lion got me a-thinking about the Chronicles of Narnia and The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and then further a-thinking about whether or not there has been a musicalization of this children's novel (or any other of CS Lewis' books from this series) yet?

Can't you just see it working wonderfully?  
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Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 06:30:06 PM
A question:  How does a quodlibet (in the musical theatre context) vary from a duet (or larger ensemble) in opera in which each of the lines is a different melody?  (One example might be the Miserere from Il Trovatore.)  Or can the term be used in opera, too?

By the way (BTW in internet lingo), I've never heard the term "quodlibet" until today.

Jay, I would assume that the term is for both operas and musicals.  It's the same thing, the difference is just how extensive the composer makes it...two individual songs or a great big ensemble.

The idea for my CD compilations was initially to put together musical theater songs that were made up of (usually) two (or sometimes more) specific song-lines, such as "Old Fashioned Wedding," "You're Gonna Love Tomorrow/Love Will See Us Through," "Wet" from Steel Pier and the Andrew Lloyd Webber trio arranged for My Favorite Broadway: The Leading Ladies...things like that.

I know that many operas have a LOT of ensemble pieces like this, and as time went on, I included musical theater examples of ensembles (like the opening number of Brownstone), but I am not terribly interested in big, gigantic ensemble pieces in languages that I don't understand.  Two-part songs from musicals were the best examples.
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on May 25, 2004, 06:31:05 PM
Thanks, all, for the great welcomes to dietydom.

I am ... overwhelmed.

I think I will lie down for a few moments. My head is shpinning.
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 06:36:23 PM
Fixed.  

Thank you.  I just went off and wrote out a 316 bar bass part!  No problem is so big that you cannot run away from it.
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 25, 2004, 06:37:59 PM
And so to bed.  I'm getting up at 4:30.
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Post by: Panni on May 25, 2004, 06:42:35 PM
Isn't "Quodlibet" Queen Elizabeth's nickname? (Only the Canadians will get this - and maybe not even some of them.)
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Post by: Jane on May 25, 2004, 06:46:45 PM
Yes, Danise, that was Noel you heard shouting.

I was reading this when suddenly I was sent back to Noel's original post. :o
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Post by: Sandra on May 25, 2004, 06:51:43 PM
You know, Emily, I remember seeing a musical The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe a long time ago, but I don't know who wrote it.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 25, 2004, 06:56:48 PM
Archetype for a quodlibet (for me, at least):

"Lida Rose/Will I Ever Tell You" (from The Music Man).

Also, from the same show: "Pick-a-little, Take-a-little/Goodnight Ladies."

Since Harold and Marion are actually singing the same melody in their act two counterpoint of "Seventy-Six Trombones" and "Good Night, My Someone," this is not a true quodlibet.  But playing the same game three times running...yes, a Sleuth reference.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 25, 2004, 06:59:32 PM
RE: the difference between a duet and a quodlibet.

Well obviously they can be the same like "Old Fashioned Wedding" from AGYG.  But do most duets have people singing at the same time, or is it usually one and then the other.

Btw, when you described the one person quodlibet, I immediately thought of Christiane Noll's wonderful song (what is the name of it?) on BK's cd.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 25, 2004, 07:08:13 PM
As could be predicted, if my first day at work went wonderfully (and it did), the second day was filled with embarrasing screwups.  I had to be shown several times in a row how to enter a Senior Discount on the register before I could get it right.  But for the most part everything went fairly well.

After work, der B and I attended the preview wine and appetizer party at a new restaurant that's opening this week, called Nage.  They are billing themselves as a "hip bistro," and the food reflects that attitude.  Among the dishes listed on the menu:

Smoked duck breast and duck leg confit with pan seared foi gras, spring onion crepes, and an apple chestnut compote.

Pan fried soft shell crabs with bacon, braised leeks, silky potato puree, and caper berries.

Pan seared king salmon with celery root boulangerie, roasted hen of the woods and baby beet binaigrette with fresh horseradish.

Braised beef short ribs with soba noodles and chile garlic.

or, how about a

Knuckle Sandwich: Lobster salad with mizuna greens and heirloom tomato, on seven-grain honey bread.  (That's on the lunch menu.)

The desserts are, of course, to die for.

*******

Right now, we've got some thunderstorms rolling our way.  Poor Marty, the big lab, is cowering in the closet.  I'm signing off early, since there's lots to do tomorrow, and I want to get going earlier than I did today.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Jed on May 25, 2004, 07:11:18 PM
All this talk of quodlibet and me without my handy-dandy music history textbook!  (It's in a box of stuff I relocated to my mother's home this weekend)


Sandra - WOW!!!  What a wonderful variety of freak you are! :D

Also, only you can prevent forest fires (not a big threat here in Manhattan)
Very much a threat out here in Washington.  Heard on the news last night that things are already as dry as they are in late July most years!
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: bk on May 25, 2004, 07:15:36 PM
Sandra: Are we supposed to believe that you scored over a million?  If so, HOW?  HOW, when all those stupid flaming red tiles start coming one after another and you can't keep up with them?  I've gotten close to 300,000.  
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: S. Woody White on May 25, 2004, 07:22:00 PM
Wussburger, wussburger
Make me a wuss!
Tell me shame, shame
Right to my puss!
No typing in the dark,
Well, not tonight,
So call me a wuss!
Serves me right!


 ::)
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Jane on May 25, 2004, 07:32:39 PM
Very cute Woody.  I look forward to reading more about your third day at work.  

Poor Marty.  We once had a dog like that.  I felt sorry for her but boy could she be annoying during a storm.  At least we always knew when one was on it's way.  Echo on the other hand is only afraid of feathers. ;D
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: SwishySarah on May 25, 2004, 07:46:36 PM
Hello, fellow DR's. This will mark the FOURTH time I've tried to post in the past few days, the other three ended up being lost in the bowels of my computer.

I've been muy busy in life these past few weeks..I finished Camelot, auditioned and was cast in "The Enchantment of Beauty and the Beast", took Behind-the-Wheel and recieved my license, started working more hours on the weekends, took some Standard testing for school, planned a baby shower, and competed in the Music in the Parks competition in Hershey Park where we recieved a first place trophy and a superior rating!

So yes...I hope that's a good enough excuse. I've also been taking a bunch of pictures because I realized that I haven't been taking any all year and that isn't good. you can view me and my friends acting like dorks at my online photo album at www.picturetrail.com/sarahdavislovesyou.

Um. I miss HHW...I really wish I could get here more often but as you can see, I've been kind of full, schedule-wise, and this summer is no exception. School is out June 16, and I'm goint to NYC to see WICKED and ASSASINS June 18-20. June 21-July 11 I'm in intensive rehearsals and performances of "TEOBATB", July 17-31 I'm going back to the Shenandoah Performing Arts Camp in Winchester. I have a week off in August and then I'm going to Dillard, Georgia from August 8-14 for a family reunion. Then I'm going to NYC for a bit, don't know the exact dates, and might spend a week or 2 in Boston with my grandparents, and I'll return in time for my birthday and the beginning of school.

Meh.

Communication with me is MUCH easier through email (sarah@davishome.us) or AIM (isingthere4irock), both of which I can use while doing other things, as opposed to the site which takes up a lot of time that I really need to be using. But I truly want to keep in touch with everyone.

Bruce, Aly loved the autograph, can't remember if I told you that or not. Sandra, I am insanely jealous of your Bookworm score. I have all of my friends hooked.

-Swishalish
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Noel on May 25, 2004, 07:46:45 PM
My first produced musical (back when I was a teenager) was based on The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe - many have written musicals based on it.

It's quite possible I hold the record for having
written the most quodlibets in musical comedies:

The Great White Way -
Sugar Daddies

Through the Wardrobe -
The Rooms

A Diary -
Accommodations

Pulley of the Yard (Murder at the Savoy) -
Oh, Sorry Sorry Sorry/We Are Performers
It's So Simple

The Christmas Bride -
Searching
Alone in the Night
Good Advice

The Company of Women -
Morning
Breaking the Rules
Sextet

The Love Contract -
Why Do I Do What I Do?
Free

Area 51-
Seeing Stars
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Panni on May 25, 2004, 07:58:51 PM
Sandra: Are we supposed to believe that you scored over a million?  If so, HOW?  HOW, when all those stupid flaming red tiles start coming one after another and you can't keep up with them?  

She smote them with her sword. (Smote is a REALLY silly word.)
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Sandra on May 25, 2004, 08:13:29 PM
Jed, that is the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.

Smote is a rather silly word, although it's quite fun when you're actually doing it. I managed to spell out "Panni" but for some reason the game wouldn't accept it.

The trick to those flaming red tiles is to just keep up with them. They can be really useful because every time you take a turn, the burning ones take out the tiles just beneath them. It's a good way to get rid of Xs or Qs or other letters you don't want. Sometimes I spell out really short words on purpose just to get those flaming tiles and then use them up after they've gotten rid of whatever tiles I don't want.

And Swishy, if I have made just one person insanely jealous, then my work is complete.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Matt H. on May 25, 2004, 08:31:08 PM
Thanks DR Jane. Being cool and not sticky feeling in your own home is VERY important to me. It doesn't have to be refrigerator-cold inside, but I have to have that humidity out of the air. That's what makes it impossible for me to sleep.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Matt H. on May 25, 2004, 08:41:30 PM
AMERICAN IDOL:

I was disappointed that two of the three songs tonight were repeat versions of earlier sung songs by the two contestants. I don't remember that from last year at all, and I didn't think either of the girls did as well the second time around with their "hits." As far as the original Tamyra Gray song they both sang, sorry I have to disagree with the judges but I thought Diana's rendition was much more powerfully sung, more exciting, and more impressive in her sustains and control. Since she did hers first (which they all praised), I think they had forgotten how good it was by the time Fantasia closed the show with it. And then they overpraised her rendition which was not especially involving, at least not to me.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Panni on May 25, 2004, 08:42:51 PM
Sandra - Any game that doesn't accept "Panni" is not worth playing. And to think I'm the one who broguht the game to the attention of HHW. Ungrateful!
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Matt H. on May 25, 2004, 08:50:23 PM
Today, one of the DVDs I watched to pass the time waiting for the repairman was THE SUNSHINE BOYS which I hadn't seen since the movie came out. (I also saw the original Broadway version). Nice copy of the film, glad I have it.

Watching the costume tests for Walter Matthau and Jack Benny, I was thinking that I'm not sure Benny would have made as much of an impression as George Burns did if Benny had lived to play it.

Now, I LOVE Jack Benny. I always found him hilarious and a totally unique entertainer. But I wonder if he could have been something other than Jack Benny playing this part. Just wondering. I have seen the films he did in the 1940s, and he was fine but still playing a character basically like his "Jack Benny" persona.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Sandra on May 25, 2004, 09:25:45 PM
My mom says to say that she has never seen a Jerry Lewis movie.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: George on May 25, 2004, 09:28:36 PM
My first produced musical (back when I was a teenager) was based on The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe - many have written musicals based on it.

It's quite possible I hold the record for having
written the most quodlibets in musical comedies: ....

But are they recorded? ???  I can't add them to my compilation series otherwise...which I'd love to do!
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: TCB on May 25, 2004, 10:22:29 PM
Congratulations to new and recycled Gods!
I am to enjoy this lovely Autumn day.  Back in about 7 hours to check on the many many posts!

TIMES SQUARE
Those people in Times Square may well be the ones that keep the lights on on Broadway! It may also be a "one off" for them to be there in that wonderful vibrant city. Wouldn't you guys be overwhelmed and stop and look if you had read about something all your life and then had your chance to go there?

That's right! So, just remember: The next time you are walking in Times Square, that rear-end you run in to, may very well belong to Tomovoz.
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Tomovoz on May 25, 2004, 10:28:54 PM
Could anyone be that lucky TCB?
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: TCB on May 25, 2004, 10:32:10 PM
If anyone talks to DR Danise while she's still in the city, tell her to keep one night free--the  Fleet's   (http://www.newyorkled.com/nyc_events_Fleet_Week.htm)in!  She can do her own On The Town!



Hell!  If I had known The Fleet was in, I would have gone with Danise!
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: Jed on May 25, 2004, 11:11:11 PM
Ssshhh... be quiet... the message board is asleep...
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: JoseSPiano on May 25, 2004, 11:57:37 PM
Good Evening!

-Ooohhh.. was that too loud, Jed?  ;-)

I tried to get bed earlier tonight, but no such luck.  It's almost 3:00AM here on the "right coast", and I think I'm awake.  Wide awake.  Practically wired.  I'm currently sipping on some herbal tea, hopefully, that will help.  I think I've just spent too many late nights lately, and my body clock has adjusted to the schedule - which is actually my "regular" schedule, but...  I do want to get up early tomorrow/today so that I can get a bunch of stuff done before the show...  I guess I'll just have to kick myself out of bed when my alarm goes off... Instead of listening to Morning Edition, and then the first hour of classical music, and then...

We had a good show tonight.  However, towards the end of the first act, the storms that passed over the DC area could be heard from inside the theatre - big ole thunder clap, even a little vibrating going on.  Thankfully, it was just a short storm, so by the time the show got out the skies were clear again.  -But some areas around DC did get pretty hard.  I hope everyone is safe.

As for a quodlibet... I first came across the term when studying Bach's "Goldberg Variations".  The last variation is a quodlibet, with one of the tunes being a song about "kraut" (cabbage).
Title: Re:THE PRISONER OF SECOND AVENUE
Post by: JoseSPiano on May 26, 2004, 12:00:11 AM
WHEW!  I made it!!! -But I did copy my post just in case the day had "ended".  ;)