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Title: HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 12:01:06 AM
Well, you've read the notes, and henceforth you must post until the fershluganah cows come home.  They might be coming home hencesixth.  To it, I say, to it.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: BEEKAY on June 09, 2004, 02:45:18 AM
Is this a newbie record...2nd time first post within a couple of weeks????
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Tomovoz on June 09, 2004, 02:52:26 AM
Of course it is Beekay.
Congratulations.

Sort of the OZ collection to start the day.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: BEEKAY on June 09, 2004, 02:54:09 AM
Can I ask the DR's what their take is on the series Angels in America(currently screening here in OZ). We saw the first two chapters last night...Most interesting . I am looking forward to tonight's installment with much anticipation.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: BEEKAY on June 09, 2004, 02:56:48 AM
Thanks for the videos, Tommy... of course with catching the above mentioned Angels, I will have to defer the watching of same.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Tomovoz on June 09, 2004, 02:58:06 AM
I too will be interested in the comments - the timing here is perfect with RR's departure from the world.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Tomovoz on June 09, 2004, 02:59:45 AM
Not everyone is game to call me "Tommy" Beekay! One of the movies is a favourite at HHW "Waiting for Guffman".
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on June 09, 2004, 04:43:39 AM
Good morning, Ben
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Ben on June 09, 2004, 04:48:39 AM
Good morning to you, Dan.

I just finished reading the end of yesterday's posts and now I'm here.

I haven't seen the HBO version of Angels, BeeKay, but I did see it on stage (both parts) and remember it being one of the most moving and powerful things I've ever seen. We taped the HBO version but have not yet watched it. It's not something you just want to pop into the VCR and settle in to see. We will watch it soon I think. I'm looking forward to see how it plays on screen as opposed to stage.

No questions yet. I'll be back.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Dan (the Man) on June 09, 2004, 05:50:40 AM
Can I ask the DR's what their take is on the series Angels in America(currently screening here in OZ). We saw the first two chapters last night...Most interesting . I am looking forward to tonight's installment with much anticipation.

I saw AIA both on stage and the small screen, and I have to say that I did not like the filmed version as much as the play.  While I think that most of the performances are terrific, it seems that a lot of the humor that was in the stage play was missing.  Throughout both plays, there was always an undertone of whimsy (not sure if that's the word I'm looking for)  that played along even with the most devestating scenes.  I think Mike Nichols took a too literal and dry approach to the material, and for me, the miniseries was not up to par with the stage production.  But in any case, it was still good television and, as I said before, the performances did shine through.

My question for BK and all:  what is your favorite non-cast album theatrical recording (meaning, a recording that is theatre related but not a cast recording of a show.)  Mine is the Sonheim: A Musical Tribute (the Scrabble Album.)  Choice material from Sondheim's first half of his career delivered by top-notch performers.  Plus, there was all the songs that were dropped or unrecorded--it was the first time I had heard "One Last Kiss", "I Remember" and "Two Fairy Tales".  Great recording.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Emily on June 09, 2004, 06:09:42 AM
I have yet to see AIA... in stage or on tv (damn being HBO-less in Canada!!!)

Supposedly BRAVO Can. is going to show AIA sometime in the fall/winter.

*crosses fingers*
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 06:14:00 AM

My question for BK and all:  what is your favorite non-cast album theatrical recording (meaning, a recording that is theatre related but not a cast recording of a show.)  

Sombody had best mention both the "Unsung Musicals" and "Lost in Boston" series or there will hell to pay!!!

der Brucer
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 06:16:34 AM
News for Today. Item ONE:

Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122124,00.html)

Disney's Smoking Gun No One Will Ever See
Tuesday, June 08, 2004
By Roger Friedman
(excerpt)

I read with interest the story in yesterday's New York Times about Disney considering selling Miramax back to the Weinstein brothers. Without Miramax and Steve Jobs' Pixar, which has expressed a desire to leave Disney, I'm not sure what the Mouse House would have left. Certainly it wouldn't be a future for animated films.
This was hammered home to me over the weekend after I finally got to see a copy of Trudie Styler and John-Paul Davidson's 2002 documentary "The Sweatbox." You will probably never see this film and neither, I suppose, will the Disney board. If they did, you'd think their first move would be to shore up Disney's assets — i.e. Miramax and Pixar — and look to eliminate some real problems.

"The Sweatbox" is a document of the making of a Disney animated film called "The Emperor's New Groove." The project took a long and circuitous course, starting out as a serious minded cartoon called "The Kingdom of the Sun" directed by "The Lion King"'s Roger Allers and featuring several songs by Sting. Styler, Sting's wife and a movie producer, got permission to document the development of the film. What she and partner Davidson didn't bargain on was the entire project capsizing and being rebuilt not once but twice until it had a new director, cast and point of view.
By then Sting's participation had been significantly whittled down, millions had been flushed down the toilet and no one at Disney — particularly the subsequently departed exec Peter Schneider — seemed to have an idea of what they were doing or why they were doing it.

It's a shame that no one will ever see "The Sweatbox." Somehow Disney has managed to bury it, I assume, by not allowing its animated artwork — integral to the documentary — to be released. But cineastes and film students would find the film has the same reference value as Julia Phillips' "You'll Never Eat Lunch in This Town Again" or the BBC's "Naked Hollywood" series. Rarely have artists been caught so evocatively in fear of executives, or execs framed as being so in possession of the Emperor's new clothes — forget about groove.
It's never discussed, but not just a little of this debacle is owed to the decamping of Jeffrey Katzenberg to start DreamWorks and his consequent pillaging of the Disney animations department beginning in 1995.

The animated Disney offerings after "Groove," like "Treasure Planet," were even more confusing, and troubled. If only the Disney shareholders could make the company show them "Sweatbox" as a measure of fiduciary duty, they might gain some insight into why the company seems so at sea now.

der Brucer (anticipating a WEL comment)

Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 06:24:51 AM
News of the day. Item TWO:

From The Grey Lady (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/08/theater/theaterspecial/08TONY.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5059&en=ffd1f9cc78709e12&ex=1086753600&partner=AOL)

June 8, 2004
'Avenue Q' Tony Coup Is Buzz of Broadway
By JESSE McKINLEY

(excerpts)

When "Avenue Q" won the Tony Award for best musical on Sunday night, just how big a surprise was it? Well, even the technicians inside Radio City Music Hall apparently thought that another show, the popular hit "Wicked," was going to win.
 
In the moments after the announcement that "Avenue Q" had won, two giant video screens inside the hall read, "Best Musical: Wicked."

Embarrassed Tony officials said the mistake was a result of a "technical glitch," but you could hardly blame them for it. For weeks "Wicked" had been considered a prohibitive favorite to win the award, the evening's top prize.

The show, after all, had all the elements of a winner: box office success, respectable reviews, a spring 2005 national tour. Instead, industry analysts found themselves trying to explain how "Avenue Q," a modest musical with singing puppets playing in a small Broadway theater, had pulled off what many in the business were calling one of the biggest upsets in Tony history. (Unfortunately for Tony organizers, if preliminary television ratings are to be believed, very few viewers got in on the drama.)
...
The consensus around Broadway was that the show had run a clever campaign to woo voters, including full-page newspaper advertisements and a pizza party for out-of-town voters. (The Tonys are voted on by 735 theater professionals and journalists nationwide, of whom perhaps 80 to 90 reside outside the New York area.) The producers sent out hundreds of promotional CD's, with a new song, "Rod's Dilemma," written especially for the Tony race, about a puppet voting in an election.
The campaign, which one production member estimated cost about $300,000, also leaned heavily on political imagery: promotional buttons were handed out at the theater, and the box office was decorated to resemble a campaign headquarters.
"We were definitely running behind, so we wanted to remind people that we were a viable choice," said Drew Hodges, the creative director of SpotCo, the advertising company that devised the ads. "And we wanted to keep everything in the tone of the show, which is irreverent and contemporary."
The motto of the "Q" campaign, "Vote Your Heart," seemed to many to be remarkably blunt. The message: vote for the little guy instead of "Wicked," which, with a $14 million budget and weekly sales of more than $1 million had been given, fairly or not, an air of blockbuster invincibility. By comparison "Avenue Q," playing in the 796-seat Golden Theater, generally grosses about $400,000 a week but has a much lower running cost.
...
Other theories and explanations were also being floated, including that perhaps voters had decided "Wicked," with an advance of more than $20 million, did not need the victory as much as "Avenue Q."
The result also seemed to give rest, for the moment at least, to the notion that the road voters and their allies — a bloc of approximately 150 votes — somehow control the Tony outcome. "Wicked," after all, which starts a tour next March, is expected to be a much bigger earner than "Avenue Q," which is a quirkier (read less mainstream) show and won't hit the road till fall 2005.
...

der Brucer (those goosey about NYT registration can PM me for the missing parts)




Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: William E. Lurie on June 09, 2004, 06:29:49 AM
Der Brucer --- "The Emperor's New Grove" was one of the low points in Disney (actually Eisner) animation.  It's a shame they won't let anyone see its "Making of..." but I am not surprised.  Nobody there seems to realize that the quality of animation is not important if the script is no good and they've had some very bad scripts.  You know they care more about money than quality when they insist on putting something in each film that will get it rated PG instead of G because they are afraid teenagers will not go to anything rated G.  If Walt were around today, he'd be very upset about what goes on in his name (and what his company is doing that they are ashamed to put his name on).  He mortgaged his house and went way into personal debt for SNOW WHITE.  I hardly think he'd do the same for what passes as a Disney film today.

For BK - "The Gene Krupa Story" came out during the same period as several other big bandleader films - "The Glenn Miller Story", "The Benny Goodman Story", "The Five Pennies", et. al.  How do you think it stands up to these films and which film of its type do you think is best?
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 06:30:44 AM
News of the day. Item THREE.

It seems the wages of sin are death profitable.

From a Washington Post story (broken link, sorry) about cigarette smuggling funding terroists:

In New York City, for example, where the combined state and city tax on cigarettes is $3 a pack, a carton can sell for about $75. The trafficker can buy a carton for about $20 in Virginia, where the tax is 2.5 cents a pack, and then sell it to a mom-and-pop store in New York at a profit of about $40 a carton, ATF officials said.

A smuggler can make about $2 million on a single truckload of cigarettes. A truckload contains 800 cases, or 48,000 cartons.

der Brucer (shucks, we could fund a new musical from a truck parked in the stage door alley!)


Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 06:34:35 AM
Der Brucer --- "The Emperor's New Grove" was one of the low points in Disney (actually Eisner) animation.  

13 Minutes from original post to comment - speedy work Professor!

der Brucer
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Matt H. on June 09, 2004, 06:35:09 AM
I thought the HBO version of ANGELS IN AMERICA was one of the best things I've ever seen on television. I, too, had seen the plays on stage, but I found it so overwhelmingly powerful that small carping about missing lines just didn't matter to me. The cast is perfection, and I couldn't have asked for a better transfer from stage to screen.

As for Disney's traditional animated output of late, I can't explain why they haven't been successful (except that when you target an animated film for a young male audience like TREASURE PLANET or Dreamworks' SINBAD or Warners' THE IRON GIANT, they inevitably fail nowadays), but they're wonderfully entertaining. I loved TREASURE PLANET as a modern spin on TREASURE ISLAND (I guess teaching it all those years made me appreciate the clever riffs on it all the more) and thought THE EMPEROR'S NEW GROOVE was sensational fun. I even enjoyed BROTHER BEAR a lot, and though I didn't pay to see it at the movies, can't wait for HOME ON THE RANGE on DVD either.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Matt H. on June 09, 2004, 06:39:27 AM
Sal Mineo is one of those sadly neglected actors who turned in many wonderful performances during his too-brief career. I've only seen THE GENE KRUPA STRY once, but I thought he was magnificent. The one film (and a telefilm version, too) of his I've never seen is DINO which earned him an Emmy nomination when he first did it on TV. One of those two versions of it I'd like to see.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 07:00:56 AM
can't wait for HOME ON THE RANGE on DVD either.

Roseanne and Judi Dench together - whoda thunk!

der Brucer (also an "Iron Giant" fan)
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Matt H. on June 09, 2004, 07:16:39 AM
For Ask BK Day: Is there a genre of film that you sort of shy away from? That doesn't mean that you don't watch it ever but rather one that would be at the bottom of your preferred viewing? I'm not a big fan of war movies nor do I like the modern teen comedies much (but I'm not a modern teen so that probably explains it).
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 07:17:25 AM
Catching up on last nights posts:

Jason: Thank you very, very much for the lyrics to WALK AWAY RENEE! Now I can sing along without making up words to the song!! LOL!

Dr Jay, I am also a Josh Groban fan. I don't have any of his CDs but I have listened to him on the radio and enjoyed him very much.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Matt H. on June 09, 2004, 07:21:29 AM
Wanted to mention to those fans of the show that RENO 911! has its second season premiere tonight at 10:30 on Comedy Central.

The show, a largely improvised take on COPS, is erratic in merit, but the best episodes can be screamingly funny.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 08:15:55 AM
News of the day. Item THREE.

It seems the wages of sin are death profitable.

From a Washington Post story (broken link, sorry) about cigarette smuggling funding terroists:

In New York City, for example, where the combined state and city tax on cigarettes is $3 a pack, a carton can sell for about $75. The trafficker can buy a carton for about $20 in Virginia, where the tax is 2.5 cents a pack, and then sell it to a mom-and-pop store in New York at a profit of about $40 a carton, ATF officials said.

A smuggler can make about $2 million on a single truckload of cigarettes. A truckload contains 800 cases, or 48,000 cartons.

der Brucer (shucks, we could fund a new musical from a truck parked in the stage door alley!)
Another reason to be glad we've both quit smoking!  My only question here is, how come the money we're saving is already spent?   :-\

 :-*
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 08:18:16 AM
Good morning. first of all I forgot my BET YOU DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE HUNGARIAN! feature yesterday. I bet you're all shaking for your fix. So here are two  - one for yesterday.
[DRUM ROLL]
#1 - PAUL NEWMAN. - Hungarian and German parents.

#2 - CLAUDE-MICHEL SCHONBERG (b. 7/6/1944, Vannes, France)
Writer, Composer, Producer of Les Miserables and Miss Saigon.
Hungarian parents.

And a bonus for Trekkies and Sondheads... BRENT SPINER.

Modified as per request.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 08:20:00 AM
AIA - I didn't see it on stage, but I thought the TV version was superb.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 08:28:07 AM
Re: Genres We Avoid

I've never been a fan of westerns.  Just watching them makes my eyes itch and nose clog.  (I'd much rather my nose waltz, or maybe tango, but that clogging has got to stop.)  It says something about der Brucer's taste and mine that the only true "Western" in our DVD collection is True Grit, which we found in a bargain bin.  (The others titles that we own being Mask of Zorro, Back to the Future Part III, and Blazing Saddles, all faux-Westerns, if that.)
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 08:29:20 AM
And a bonus for Trekkies... BRENT SPINER
Make that "And a bonus for Trekkies and Sondheads"
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Ben on June 09, 2004, 08:29:50 AM
I tend to avoid Westerns and War Movies as well so the Saturday Morning Western fests on TCM can sometimes be annoying.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 08:32:30 AM
I was looking for something else and ran across this interesting factoid about Sidney Sheldon, blockbuster novelist - who BTW has over 300 million books in print!
But - here's his other side: He won an Academy Award in 1947 for the screenplay of The Bachelor and the Bobby Soxer. And he created The Patty Duke Show and I Dream of Jeannie, writing all but a few episodes for both shows simultaneously. Groucho Marx was the godfather of Sheldon's daughter, Mary.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jrand74 on June 09, 2004, 08:38:09 AM
I liked AIA in both versions, television, as has been stated seemed a bit literal for me, losing some of the ethereal feeling, but that's not surprising considering the difference in media.

HMMMMMM....Disney animation.  I would like to see THE SWEATBOX, but probably never will as DB says.   As for Disney animation - for years they have been doing the same story with different titles....hero (or heroine), song song song, a couple of funny animals cracking jokes as sidekicks, song song song, love interest & rival, villain(ess), animal butts, the end.

My question for ask BK day....why do some movies have actors with sibilant SSSSSS's....can't the sound man help them?  I have watched a few 1950's films that have this problem from start to finish.  Everyone in the film ssssssounds like a ssssssssnake.  
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 08:41:56 AM
Two points about animation:

First (really about studios in general): ever notice how the Disney studio is the only one people get passionate about?  There are other studios that we recognize for their product, but Disney is the only name that is so closely identified with a product type that even films of the type that weren't produced by Disney (such as The Sound of Music) get identified as Disney films.  When, in contrast, has anyone been as passionate about films from Jack Warner's studio?

Second: For all of his conniving to steal the best animators and other talent from Disney when he left for Dreamworks, Jeffrey Katzenburg hasn't had that great a track record with his new company.  Shrek and Shrek 2 have been the only solid hits he's managed to produce so far, with Antz a distant third.  The traditional animation films he's produced so far, such as Sinbad and The Road to El Dorado, have deserved their flopdom.

(PS: I think Iron Giant is one of the best animated films produced in the last decade or so, right up there with the Pixar films.  Amazing what can happen when attention is paid to getting the story right.)
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 08:46:35 AM
I haven't seen AIA in any version, so far.

As for the avoidance of any particular film genre...I don't know if I avoid any in particular other then the current action films or slasher films...but there are always exeptions. I am not partial to war films but there are a few I like...mostly anti-war films like ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT (Lew Ayres version) or HELL TO ETERNITY (starring Jeffrey Hunter). Westerns are not a favorite and yet there are many that I love (some 1930s B westerns and some Audie Murphy westerns...and of course Allison Hayes' Mohawk and Count 3 and Pray).
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 08:48:52 AM
HMMMMMM....Disney animation.  I would like to see THE SWEATBOX, but probably never will as DB says...

I keep nagging Der Brucer to be more careful with his excerpting from from articles, to distinguish his own writing from the excerpts.  If everyone will read more carefully, he is quoting from someone else's writing, to which he's provided a link.  

Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 08:50:23 AM
IRON GIANT is a wonderful film...I understand a special edition DVD is coming out too!

A few years ago JRand53 sent me a cassette copy of the soundtrack and someday I plan on upgrading it to CD as I love the songs from that movie!

BRAVE LITTLE TOASTER was a cute movie also, I thought....although it has been a good 12 years or so since I last saw it.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 08:55:21 AM
The only version of AIA I'm familiar with is the printed script.  Never saw the play, and when we taped the television version, it somehow got rapidly taped over again due to poor labeling.  (Post-its can come off, it turns out.  Drat.)

Great script, with Kushner leaving much to the imagination as far as staging goes.  Even at his most specific (the appearance of the angel), it's clear that he's trying to evoke the idea of the staging, rather than demand the particular from the director.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 08:58:57 AM
IRON GIANT is a wonderful film...I understand a special edition DVD is coming out too!
This may be one of the few DVDs I'd spend the money on the upgrade.  Hoo and Ray!
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 08:59:01 AM
Sombody had best mention both the "Unsung Musicals" and "Lost in Boston" series or there will hell to pay!!!

der Brucer

No, there will not be hell toupee.  But I'll let others answer the question.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 09, 2004, 09:02:29 AM

My question for ask BK day....why do some movies have actors with sibilant SSSSSS's....can't the sound man help them?  I have watched a few 1950's films that have this problem from start to finish.  Everyone in the film ssssssounds like a ssssssssnake.  

I know the question is for BK, but I'm curious as to which films JRand53 is referring to.

Something the rest of us would know?  Or something only he and MBarnum would know?  :D
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 09:04:31 AM

For BK - "The Gene Krupa Story" came out during the same period as several other big bandleader films - "The Glenn Miller Story", "The Benny Goodman Story", "The Five Pennies", et. al.  How do you think it stands up to these films and which film of its type do you think is best?

I actually prefer The Gene Krupa Story to all of them except The Five Pennies, which I love.  
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 09:08:26 AM
For Ask BK Day: Is there a genre of film that you sort of shy away from? That doesn't mean that you don't watch it ever but rather one that would be at the bottom of your preferred viewing? I'm not a big fan of war movies nor do I like the modern teen comedies much (but I'm not a modern teen so that probably explains it).

I would say there are certain films in every genre that I at least enjoy, but I tend to stay away from most modern horror films unless someone recommends something highly and it's not too violent, and I really don't like these modern teen comedies so I stay away from those, too.  That isn't to say that if a really funny one comes out that I won't see it.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 09:11:11 AM
Sibilant sounds - they didn't have the technology that sound mixers have today, that's part of it.  Today they have what they call "d-essers".  But if someone's got a bad problem you can't really fix it - you can help it, but it will still be there.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: George on June 09, 2004, 09:11:26 AM
"Angels In America (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001I2BUI/qid=1086796909/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/102-9499049-9840956?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846)" will be released on home DVD in September!  My sister's boyfriend taped this and put it on a DVD-R, but I haven't watched it yet.  I don't know if I can wait for the official DVD, though.

A Question for BK and Anyone:  a couple of weeks ago, I got the Chinese release (through eBay) of the first three seasons of "Queer As Folk" for only $40.95 (not including shipping) and if I had paid full price for the three American releases, it would've been about $350.  My question is "What was the biggest deal that you ever got on eBay (or any kind of sale, it doesn't have to be on-line), where what you paid was so much lower than the full price?"
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Matt H. on June 09, 2004, 09:13:08 AM
I was looking for something else and ran across this interesting factoid about Sidney Sheldon, blockbuster novelist - who BTW has over 300 million books in print!
But - here's his other side: He won an Academy Award in 1947 for the screenplay of The Bachelor and the Bobby Soxer. And he created The Patty Duke Show and I Dream of Jeannie, writing all but a few episodes for both shows simultaneously. Groucho Marx was the godfather of Sheldon's daughter, Mary.

Sidney Sheldon also wrote EASTER PARADE, so he'll always have a special place in my heart.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jennifer on June 09, 2004, 09:13:53 AM
I don't really like westerns or war movies.

Poor BK, that ebay mess sounds horrible.  I wish that you could file a lawsuit and force that guy to pay for everything he bid on.  He should have to do it.

As for ebay, I have a problem with the negative feedback.  They make it almost impossible for you to genuinely complain about someone, without them ripping you to shreds back.  It's just not fair.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 09:16:24 AM
Question for bk:
"....but I’m saving my wax lips and liquid bottles for a special occasion."
What kind of special occasion calls for wax lips and liquid bottles? (A genuine question - I don't want to commit a social faux pas by not bringing them next time I'm invited to such an occasion.)
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 09:16:37 AM
I have now had a response from the eBay person.  He's crying "innocent" - says someone got his credit card info and did this so people could run the number.  This, of course, makes no sense on any level - none of us could "run the number" or anything else, since he never responded to any of us and since his contact info was bogus and since none of us had a paypal name on him.  Very fishy.  And no apology of any kind - just totally incoherent and written by someone who sounds like they didn't get past junior high school.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 09:17:56 AM
Question for bk:
"....but I’m saving my wax lips and liquid bottles for a special occasion."
What kind of special occasion calls for wax lips and liquid bottles? (A genuine question - I don't want to commit a social faux pas by not bringing them next time I'm invited to such an occasion.)

For example, a wax lips party.  Or, a liquid bottle party.  That's what I'm saving them for.  
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 09:18:17 AM
Oh.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Matt H. on June 09, 2004, 09:21:01 AM
A used site I do a lot of business with sent me by mistake the LETHAL WEAPON boxed set of four films when I had ordered only the first one at a used rate - $8.95, I think it was. When the package came, the set was brand new in the shrink wrap, and I immediately contacted them to tell them what had happened, and that I would send the box back in exchange for the one disc. They wrote back to say that it was their mistake, I was a good customer, and to enjoy all four films.
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Post by: Jennifer on June 09, 2004, 09:31:09 AM
DR MattH, I bet most people would have kept all the movies without saying anything.  
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Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 09:33:17 AM
I have gotten some good bargains on Ebay but one of the biggest was an autographed night club program. It was for Joi Lansing's nightclub show and has her picture on the front. She autographed it for some gentleman in the audience..whose son now had it. He was selling some other autographed items of his fathers on Ebay and I happened to e-mail him and he told me he had some other items that he had not listed...Joi's autograph was one of them...he said he would just sell it to me if I wanted it...I got it for about 20.00 bucks I think...and I have NEVER seen a Joi Lansing autograph available before (she has quite a following these days, believe it or don't) and I imagine her autograph would bring a high dollar amount...or I could be wrong I suppose! LOL ! (I sold an 8x10 photo of her once that went for $65...and it was only a reprint!)

Also there have been times where sellers have sent along extra items just to be nice...as a seller I have done that too...and then of course there is the wonderful bargain of finding a cool friend (JRand53, for instance) through an ebay purchase or sale!
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Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 09:36:04 AM
I have now had a response from the eBay person.  He's crying "innocent" - says someone got his credit card info and did this so people could run the number.  This, of course, makes no sense on any level - none of us could "run the number" or anything else, since he never responded to any of us and since his contact info was bogus and since none of us had a paypal name on him.  Very fishy.  And no apology of any kind - just totally incoherent and written by someone who sounds like they didn't get past junior high school.

You should e-mail him back and tell him your laywer and the lawyers of the other sellers will be contacting him shortly...that'll give him a well deserved scare...and it is probably some kid who was bored and looking to cause trouble (which he did).
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Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 09:38:53 AM
As as seller on Ebay I sold a couple of items that really surprised me.

A Jerry Lewis paperback book from the 60s which I got for 10 cents at a thrift shop went for over $60 dollars and an accessorie for some 1960s space man doll (can't recall the name, but he was similar to G.I Joe) that was in it's original packaging went for over $200 (I bought it for $1.99 at Goodwill).
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Post by: Jay on June 09, 2004, 09:52:42 AM
Can I ask the DR's what their take is on the series Angels in America(currently screening here in OZ). We saw the first two chapters last night...Most interesting . I am looking forward to tonight's installment with much anticipation.

I had not seen the plays in the theatre, and was totally floored by HBO's production of AiA.  I thought the writing, direction and acting were all superb and the production deserved all the accolades it received.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 09, 2004, 10:07:45 AM
DR MattH, I bet most people would have kept all the movies without saying anything.  

DR MattH shares a similar upbringing with mine -- Southern, protestant (i.e. Baptist), and we had it drummed into our heads that honesty was of such importance that guilt would eat us alive if we were not scrupulously honest about such things.

I don't know how many times I heard the story about Honest Abe walking miles and miles and miles to return a few pennies he had shorted someone in change.

And then there's the old rhubarb about George Washington not being able to lie to his father about chopping down the cherry tree.

When I was in the Navy, I went to a community fair in Naples, Italy.  I was watching a softball game when my best friend joined me and offered me a cold soda.  It sure tasted good until he told me he "had swiped it" from an ice-filled chest behind a vendor's tent where hot dogs and hamburgers were being sold.

That soda roiled and roiled in my stomach untl I had to absent myself.  I went to the stand and paid for the two sodas.  My friend got mad, and I ended the friendship.
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Post by: Ben on June 09, 2004, 10:10:20 AM
BTW, I will most likely be E&T all day and evening tomorrow. It is my Anthony's birthday (same day as Judy Garland) and we will be sleeping late then going to the Museum of Radio and Television to see whatever hits our fancy and then a walk in Central Park, dinner and perhaps a movie.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on June 09, 2004, 10:23:08 AM
Question for bk:
"....but I’m saving my wax lips and liquid bottles for a special occasion."
What kind of special occasion calls for wax lips and liquid bottles? (A genuine question - I don't want to commit a social faux pas by not bringing them next time I'm invited to such an occasion.)

I like the idea of being laid out (after I'm dead, perferably) with a pair of wax lips shoved in my mouth.  I've heard of people being buried with a pair of Groucho glasses on, so how bad could this be?  I'd like to leave 'em laughing that way.
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Post by: William E. Lurie on June 09, 2004, 10:27:13 AM
I taped AIA when it was on but still haven't watched it.  My idea of a serious play about AIDS doesn't include transvestites, angels crashing through ceilings and a closeted politician.

***

Since Sal Mineo was one of the topics, I worked in stock with Sal in 1962.  He was a very nice person and is a better actor than he is usually given credit for.

***

Turner Classics is having a 25 hour, 15 film Ronald Regan Festival starting at 8am EDT tomorrow.  As Carol Channing allegedly remarked in the Tony® press room... : think he was a wonderful president... of SAG".
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Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 10:33:44 AM

A Question for BK and Anyone:  a couple of weeks ago, I got the Chinese release (through eBay) of the first three seasons of "Queer As Folk" for only $40.95 (not including shipping) and if I had paid full price for the three American releases, it would've been about $350.

And you think Terry and his Chinese Pirates had no hand in your good fortune?

der always-sceptical Brucer

(At Times Square last week a "gent" was hawking designer watches for $5 - the real McCoy, I'm sure!)
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Post by: Charles Pogue on June 09, 2004, 10:36:10 AM
Sibilant "sss"?  DanssssssSalome!

Not big on war movies, modern horror movies, teen comedies (though saw SAVED, the other night and it was amusing), but I can watch almost any western...no matter how bad.

BK, Harlan Ellison sent us one of those Candy You Ate As A Kid boxes and I found most of it dreadful.  Never was one for liquid wax bottles, wax lips, little candy dots on paper that taste like dusty powder, candy cigarettes, Zagnuts, Zeroes, those jellied Chuckles, Good 'n Plenty (all stuff I never ate as a kid)...too few real old chocolate candy bars like Clark Bars and Buns.


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Post by: Matt H. on June 09, 2004, 10:37:40 AM
DR RLP is right. I'm certainly not saying that those kinds of morals are unique to the South, but it certainly was a part of every aspect of my upbringing along with calling every adult "sir" or "m'am," and things like learning Bible verses in regular school and talking about Bible stories in school. One other unique aspect to my upbringing was that I spent most of my youth with very elderly people, people born before 1900 who had a very different code of behavior from most of my peers. My grandmother lived next door to us, and my uncle (who had no children so he treated my brother and me as his children) would come every afternoon and take my grandmother for a ride in the country. I always went along, so there was something about being with older people that just made me VERY old for my years.

Maybe that's why as I came to understand my sexuality and such, I was always attracted to older men.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 09, 2004, 10:46:56 AM
Of course, Southern Baptist guilt can't hold a candle to Catholic guilt....or the guilt that can be imposed by Jewish mothers!!!
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Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 10:52:33 AM
I taped AIA when it was on but still haven't watched it.  My idea of a serious play about AIDS doesn't include transvestites, angels crashing through ceilings and a closeted politician.

***


No serious report on AIDS in the eighties could fail to include transvestites! The Drag Queens were on the front line raising money and awareness long before anyone else. Long before Liz Taylor had her AMFAR Foundation or the pros set up AIDS Project LA, the LA Drag Queens had set up Aid For Aids and were wearing away every inch of their heels raising money for the afflicted.

der Brucer
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Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 10:56:23 AM
 Never was one for liquid wax bottles, wax lips, little candy dots on paper that taste like dusty powder, candy cigarettes, Zagnuts, Zeroes, those jellied Chuckles, Good 'n Plenty (all stuff I never ate as a kid)...too few real old chocolate candy bars like Clark Bars and Buns.


You have clearly lost touch with your "inner tyke".

der Brucer (still remembering Turkish Taffy - and losing teeth in JuJu Beads)
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Post by: TCB on June 09, 2004, 11:01:41 AM
No serious report on AIDS in the eighties could fail to include transvestites! The Drag Queens were on the front line raising money and awareness long before anyone else. Long before Liz Taylor had her AMFAR Foundation or the pros set up AIDS Project LA, the LA Drag Queens had set up Aid For Aids and were wearing away every inch of their heels raising money for the afflicted.

der Brucer

Then I can only assume that drag queens are never Republicans. ::)
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Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 11:02:17 AM
Yesterday DearReaderLaura posted this critter
(http://www.haineshisway.com/community/attachments/DSC02669.JPG)

with the legend below "It Needs Salt".

Was this the subject's comment on its meal, or the chef's musing on subject's preparation for her meal?

der Brucer (could could send Laura a copy of Ted Nugents "Kill It & Grill It")

...sorry Jane...
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Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 11:08:04 AM
I was going to make a post but then just as I hit the button to where I could write my post the thought that I was going to post completely flipped out of my mind!

So now I have nothing to say.
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Post by: Jane on June 09, 2004, 11:08:49 AM
Question for bk:
"....but I’m saving my wax lips and liquid bottles for a special occasion."
What kind of special occasion calls for wax lips and liquid bottles? (A genuine question - I don't want to commit a social faux pas by not bringing them next time I'm invited to such an occasion.)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jane on June 09, 2004, 11:12:58 AM
Of course, Southern Baptist guilt can't hold a candle to Catholic guilt....or the guilt that can be imposed by Jewish mothers!!!

My Jewish father was an expert at it. :)
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Post by: TCB on June 09, 2004, 11:16:17 AM
I don’t care for westerns or science fiction films, but, as others have mentioned, there are exceptions to every rule.  As BK mentioned, the teen comedies, or as I call them – the gross-out comedies are not high on my list, either.  I usually try to pick a film because it sounds interesting to me, and not because it fits into a particular genre.  Indirectly, because of this question, I thought of another of my all-time favorite films that I had completely forgotten to mention as a favorite until today – The Big Chill.  (Westerns made me think of Silverado and Rustler’s Rhapsody, neither of which I have seen, but featuring two of my favorite actors:  Kevin Kline in Silverado and Tom Berenger in Rustler’s Rhapsody).  
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Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 11:19:19 AM
Enough of this frivolity, time for serious reflection:

1. Now that food has replaced sex in my life, I can't even get into my own pants.

2. Marriage changes passion. Suddenly you're in bed with a relative.

3. I saw a woman wearing a sweat shirt with "Guess" on it. So I said "Implants?" She hit me.

4. I don't do drugs. I get the same effect just standing up fast.

5. Sign in a Chinese Pet Store: "Buy one dog, get one flea..."

6. I live in my own little world. But it's OK. They know me here.

7. I got a sweater for Christmas. I really wanted a screamer or a moaner.

8. If flying is so safe, why do they call the airport the terminal?

9. I don't approve of political jokes. I've seen too many of them get elected.

10 There are two sides to every divorce: Yours and Shithead's.

11. I love being married. It's so great to find that one special person you want to annoy for the rest of your life

12. I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect; therefore, I am perfect.

13. Everyday I beat my own previous record for number of consecutive days I have stayed alive.

14. How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

15. Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing section in a swimming pool?

16. Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked?

17. Snowmen fall from Heaven unassembled.

18. A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"

19. I signed up for an exercise class and was told to wear loose-fitting clothing.  If I HAD any loose-fitting clothing, I wouldn't have signed up in the first place!

21. When I was young we used to go "skinny dipping," now I just "chunky dunk."

22. The worst thing about accidents in the kitchen is eating them.

23. Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.

24. Wouldn't it be nice if whenever we messed up our life we could simply press 'Ctrl Alt Delete' and start all over?

25. Stress is when you wake up screaming and then you realize you haven't fallen asleep yet.

26. Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.

27. Why is it that our children can't read a Bible in school, but they can in prison?

29. Wouldn't you know it...Brain cells come and brain cells go, but FAT cells live forever.

30. Why do I have to swear on the Bible in court when the Ten Commandments cannot be displayed in a federal building?

der Brucer (who had no creditable source for his wisdom from the ages)
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Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 11:21:09 AM
Pogue: Harlan didn't send you the right collection.  If you visit their website, you'll find lots of the things you like.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 11:21:32 AM
For Jane:

Heart Attacks: God's Revenge For Eating His Animal Friends

I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.

If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what the heck does a humanitarian eat!?

Practice safe eating - always use condiments.

Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm halfway through my fish burger and I realize, Oh my gosh....I could be eating a slow learner.

der devil-made-me-do-it Brucer


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Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 11:21:56 AM
This isn't what I was going to post previously, but it was a piece of trivia that I thought was slightly interesting...as many of you know actor Dack Rambo had a twin brother named Dirk who was also an actor. The teenaged Dirk was killed in a car accident in 1967...but what I didn't know was that 1950s starlet Kathleen Case was the drive of the car that killed Dirk! I just found that interesting.

Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 11:23:00 AM
I
So now I have nothing to say.

And you said it very well.
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Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 11:25:46 AM
Haven't had any comments from those who saw the season finale of The Sopranos.  As you know, I was disappointed in it.  No cliffhangers, no reason to wait another year plus for new episodes.  It was almost as if they were giving themselves insurance against not being able to renegotiate, although if the series were to be over it would be with a whimper.  But for all the HBO breast-beating about the DRAMATIC season finale, and how everything was going to come to a head, nothing did.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 11:25:52 AM
...as many of you know actor Dack Rambo had a twin brother named Dirk who was also an actor. The teenaged Dirk was killed in a car accident in 1967...but what I didn't know was that 1950s starlet Kathleen Case was the drive of the car that killed Dirk! I just found that interesting.


Are you preparing scripts for "Cold Case"?

der Brucer (and did she get arrested, tried, convicted...come on  - out with the dirt!)
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jrand74 on June 09, 2004, 11:28:55 AM
I read that a long time ago, MBARNUM, but hadn't thought about it in years.....sad sad sad.

The sibiliant films were Chicago SSSSSSSSsyndicate and The Giant Claw both from Columbia and everyone was sssssssssss-ing all over the place.
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Post by: Jrand74 on June 09, 2004, 11:29:10 AM
Okay on my way to work in the box office...... bye
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Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 11:32:11 AM
Are you preparing scripts for "Cold Case"?

der Brucer (and did she get arrested, tried, convicted...come on  - out with the dirt!)

That was all the information I could find. I read that Kathleen died in the 1970s ( when she was in her 40s) but could find no futher information regarding the car accident and who was at fault or whether she was injured. It would be interesting to find out the whole story, however.
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Post by: Ben on June 09, 2004, 11:32:33 AM
Didn't see the season finale for Sopranos. Haven't seen any of the episodes this year. I stopped getting HBO just before the season started again (long story involving my mess w/Time-Warner Cable of New York City - the true spawn of the devil - Panni, you are off the hook). Anthony's mother has been taping them all and will give us the tapes later this month.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on June 09, 2004, 11:41:45 AM
That was all the information I could find. I read that Kathleen died in the 1970s ( when she was in her 40s) but could find no futher information regarding the car accident and who was at fault or whether she was injured. It would be interesting to find out the whole story, however.

Is there a reason you are hiding the fact that she was of Hungarian descent?

der Brucer
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Post by: Jane on June 09, 2004, 11:45:43 AM
Ben, have a nice day tomorrow and wish Anthony a very Happy Birthday!

DerBrucer, the heart attack one is my favorite.  :D

I loved them when I was young, but now I don’t care for gangster shows.  We watched the first episode or two of Sopranos and Keith would have continued watching, but I just didn’t want to.  It is the subject that bother’s me.  I find it too realistic and scary.  
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 09, 2004, 11:49:41 AM
That was all the information I could find. I read that Kathleen died in the 1970s ( when she was in her 40s) but could find no futher information regarding the car accident and who was at fault or whether she was injured. It would be interesting to find out the whole story, however.

You might also want to look into the murder of young actress Karyn Kupcinet, daughter of Irv Kupcinet.  She was dating Andrew Prince around the time she was killed.

Here is the link to a strange theory, plus background on the case:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/kupcinet.htm

Please note, "Lost in Space" fans, that she had dined with Mark Goddard and his wife the night of her murder.
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Post by: George on June 09, 2004, 11:52:33 AM

A Question for BK and Anyone:  a couple of weeks ago, I got the Chinese release (through eBay) of the first three seasons of "Queer As Folk" for only $40.95 (not including shipping) and if I had paid full price for the three American releases, it would've been about $350.

And you think Terry and his Chinese Pirates had no hand in your good fortune?

der always-sceptical Brucer

(At Times Square last week a "gent" was hawking designer watches for $5 - the real McCoy, I'm sure!)

So, is it possible that they are legitimate?  And genuinely released in China and available on eBay from a reputable seller for a lot less than in the US (he asked hopefully)?  I know that the bootleging of DVDs (usually from Asia) is rampant, but there have to be some that are legitimate?  Don't there? ???
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 09, 2004, 11:58:26 AM
A link to info on the Rambos:

http://members.aol.com/skyelark1104/page11.html
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 11:59:08 AM
None of these Chinese DVD knockoffs are legit.  But still, it's a good way to see the shows without paying an arm and a leg.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 12:03:52 PM
BK, Harlan Ellison sent us one of those Candy You Ate As A Kid boxes and I found most of it dreadful.  Never was one for liquid wax bottles, wax lips, little candy dots on paper that taste like dusty powder, candy cigarettes, Zagnuts, Zeroes, those jellied Chuckles, Good 'n Plenty (all stuff I never ate as a kid).

Candy cigarettes! I used to go around the house puffing those a la Bette Davis. Tres sophisticated. (I'm talking about my childhood - not last year, thank you.)
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 09, 2004, 12:03:59 PM
Good Afternoon!

-And I think that's all I can think of to say right now...

Hmmmm....

Laters...
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Ben on June 09, 2004, 12:11:03 PM
And one for Mahler.
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Post by: Ben on June 09, 2004, 12:14:14 PM
Has this been announced yet?

Reprise's season (in LA) has been released and it includes Pippin. Here is the Playbill On-Line article.

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/86700.html
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Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 12:36:26 PM
I think I'd like a state funeral. But the honor guard should all wear wax lips. (This is not a total non sequitur. I happened to catch a bit of RR's procession toward the grave. The casket was being put on a plane heading for Washington. Honor guard, 21 gun salute, music, all sorts of good stuff -- and this isn't even the funeral yet.)
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Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 12:37:39 PM
Has this been announced yet?

Si.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Ben on June 09, 2004, 12:39:05 PM
Gracias, senorita :-)
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 09, 2004, 12:51:06 PM
BK, I don't need to visit any candy websites.  Like you, I have a few old pairs of pants I'd like to fit into again.  Lots of walking and crunches lately.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on June 09, 2004, 12:54:19 PM
Panni, don't know about  a state funeral, but The Lovely Wife's father...a life-long military man...was buried in a ceremony in Arlington a few years back...honour guard, twenty-one gun salute, horse-drawn casket, flag folding, all that.  Pretty impressive stuff!
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Dan (the Man) on June 09, 2004, 01:01:47 PM
I think I'd like a state funeral. But the honor guard should all wear wax lips. (This is not a total non sequitur. I happened to catch a bit of RR's procession toward the grave. The casket was being put on a plane heading for Washington. Honor guard, 21 gun salute, music, all sorts of good stuff -- and this isn't even the funeral yet.)

Okay, now you have me thinking of having something along the lines of Juanita Moore's funeral in Imitation of Life, except with a glass top caskit and me wearing the wax lips.  
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jane on June 09, 2004, 01:08:13 PM
RLP I believe you meant Andrew Prine, not Prince.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 01:11:36 PM
Just had a fine and low-cal luncheon of shrimp cocktail shrimp from Gelson's.  I might try to jog later on, but don't want to push too much - might be better tomorrow.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Matt H. on June 09, 2004, 01:12:28 PM
BK, I mentioned in a post the other day that I enjoyed the season finale of THE SOPRANOS and I think you and I saw different shows. You want drama and cliffhanger? How about what Johnny Sack will reveal to the feds to take Tony down? How about what's going to happen with Christopher? How about how AJ is going to get himself in too deep with his event planning and expect to be bailed out, only his father isn't going to be in a position to help him. (And how amazed I was that they didn't freak out over the possibility that he might be gay - how far they've come!) How about Uncle Junior's obviously increasing Alzheimers?And Tony has some fences to mend within his own family, too, but the increasing pressure of the feds on his life should make for a very dramatic final season. I felt watching him run for his life like a scared rabbit how un-tough and frightened these guys really can be.  
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Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 01:16:59 PM
Yes, I saw all that, but it just, for me, was dramatically inert, unlike previous season finales, which were incredible.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jennifer on June 09, 2004, 01:29:39 PM
No HBO in Canada.  So no Sopranos for me.

Although they show it here a bit behind (I think they will show Season 4 soon and you guys just finished Season 5).  Although the movie network does show it as it airs.  But no movie network for me either.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Sandra on June 09, 2004, 01:39:56 PM

I don't know how many times I heard the story about Honest Abe walking miles and miles and miles to return a few pennies he had shorted someone in change.


I know this doesn't have anything to do with anything, but every time I hear that thing about Lincoln, it makes me think of an argument I got in with my fourth grade teacher. She told us that Lincoln got his picture on the penny because he returned six cents to somebody. I raised my hand and asked why he didn't get his face on a six-cent coin. She said that we didn't have a six-cent coin because coins' values are all divisible by five. I said that the penny is worth one cent and that's not divisible by five. She told me to be quiet.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 01:44:45 PM
I know this doesn't have anything to do with anything, but every time I hear that thing about Lincoln, it makes me think of an argument I got in with my fourth grade teacher. She told us that Lincoln got his picture on the penny because he returned six cents to somebody. I raised my hand and asked why he didn't get his face on a six-cent coin. She said that we didn't have a six-cent coin because coins' values are all divisible by five. I said that the penny is worth one cent and that's not divisible by five. She told me to be quiet.

Well, so much for being the teacher's pet that year!
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Stuart on June 09, 2004, 01:44:59 PM
Okay, now you have me thinking of having something along the lines of Juanita Moore's funeral in Imitation of Life, except with a glass top caskit and me wearing the wax lips.  

That's one mighty fine funeral.....thinking you might get Mahalia to sing at yours too, D-in-T?

(But not my favorite scene in the movie.....which has to be Susan Kohner (Weitz) traveling around on that turntable.....kicking up those french heels!)
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: TCB on June 09, 2004, 01:46:08 PM
This isn't what I was going to post previously, but it was a piece of trivia that I thought was slightly interesting...as many of you know actor Dack Rambo had a twin brother named Dirk who was also an actor. The teenaged Dirk was killed in a car accident in 1967...but what I didn't know was that 1950s starlet Kathleen Case was the drive of the car that killed Dirk! I just found that interesting.



Well, Dirk Rambo was hardly a teenager when he died.  He was twenty-five.  He was killed by a drunk driver, so if Miss Case was the driver of the other car,  then I would say she was drunk.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Robin on June 09, 2004, 01:46:35 PM
27. Why is it that our children can't read a Bible in school, but they can in prison?

30. Why do I have to swear on the Bible in court when the Ten Commandments cannot be displayed in a federal building?

Hey, I can actually answer these two!

27.  Because we should give our children decent literature.  Criminals deserve to get the third-rate stuff.  

30.  You do not have to swear on the Bible in court.  I was a witness at a trial about a decade ago, and when I mentioned that I was an atheist, I was just told to raise my hand and swear to tell the truth.  No Bible, no God.  Very civilized.
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Post by: William E. Lurie on June 09, 2004, 01:55:09 PM
Panni---
The company where I work makes candy sticks (the pc name for candy cigarettes).  E-Mail me your snail mail address and I'll send you a box.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Robin on June 09, 2004, 01:55:24 PM
(PS: I think Iron Giant is one of the best animated films produced in the last decade or so, right up there with the Pixar films.  Amazing what can happen when attention is paid to getting the story right.)

Unfortunately, that attention to detail didn't help The Iron Giant at the box office.  Though once word got around 'bout how flat-out wonderful the movie is, it did very, very well on home video...hence, the upcoming "special edition".  (And I will be first in line to upgrade.)

I think the best animation being done right now is coming from Japan.  I've never been a big fan of these Annie-Mays, but stuff like:

Princess Mononoke
Millenium Actress
Tokyo Godfathers
Perfect Blue
Kiki's Delivery Service
Castle in the Sky


and last, but most especially Spirited Away are just plain great, and are far better than anything Disney's done in a long time.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Robin on June 09, 2004, 01:57:58 PM
BRAVE LITTLE TOASTER was a cute movie also, I thought....although it has been a good 12 years or so since I last saw it.

Check out the book, by Thomas M. Disch.  The movie doesn't do it justice.  
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 01:58:39 PM
Well, Dirk Rambo was hardly a teenager when he died.  He was twenty-five.  He was killed by a drunk driver, so if Miss Case was the driver of the other car,  then I would say she was drunk.

That is right, he was 25. I don't know why I was thinking he was younger. Evidently, he died not from the impact but from the resulting fire. Very sad. Now I am even more curious as to what happened to Ms. Case!
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jane on June 09, 2004, 02:17:34 PM
Panni---
The company where I work makes candy sticks (the pc name for candy cigarettes).  E-Mail me your snail mail address and I'll send you a box.

Are they designed to look like the Lucky box?  (am I remembering the boxes from my childhood correctly?)
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 02:22:33 PM
Are they designed to look like the Lucky box?  (am I remembering the boxes from my childhood correctly?)

I have seen candi sticks at a lot of 7-11 type stores lately and they do look identical to the candy cigarette packages of old.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 09, 2004, 02:25:48 PM
BK,  your Hollywood Collectors Show is heating up.  You'll be sharing space not only with Elvira, but the Hollywood Madam Heidi Fleiss and noted porn star Marilyn Chambers.
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on June 09, 2004, 02:27:41 PM
HAPPY
BIRTHDAY
ANTHONY!!!!!!!!
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 02:29:25 PM
Panni---
The company where I work makes candy sticks (the pc name for candy cigarettes).  E-Mail me your snail mail address and I'll send you a box.

Thank you, WEL! I can be Bette again! "What a dum-P."
I've emailed you my address. It went by a weird route, so let me know if it doesn't arrive.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 02:30:40 PM
BK,  your Hollywood Collectors Show is heating up.  You'll be sharing space not only with Elvira, but the Hollywood Madam Heidi Fleiss and noted porn star Marilyn Chambers.

I noticed that it was a rather eclectic group this time around...also it is the last show at the Beverly Garland Hotel...future shows to be in Burbank near the airport...and Ty Hardin has rescheduled!
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Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 02:35:49 PM
And don't forget Tiffany! LOL!

...but Anne Jeffreys, Dean Stockwell, Cynthia Pepper, and Alan Young will be there to lend a little class.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 09, 2004, 02:48:10 PM
We all got a memo from the Board of Supervisors today informing us that Governor Schwarzenegger has declared Friday a holiday for State workers, as it is for Federal workers, in honor of the interment of President Reagan.  

Alameda County workers, the memo said, will observe a moment of silence at NOON, to commemorate the late president's memory.  

NOON!...Most folks are at lunch at NOON.  THey're not even giving us ONE FREAKING MINUTE OF County time!

Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jane on June 09, 2004, 02:52:03 PM
RLP-LOL.  
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 03:22:39 PM
Heidi Fleiss - I am so there.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jason on June 09, 2004, 03:33:54 PM
I'm tired. I don't know why--I didn't do much of anything at work today. I wasn't at the reception desk today--I was sans computer--that's why I didn't post earlier.

It's really hot in New York today. And yes, Danise, it smells like dog poop and rotten garbage outside. According to Weather.com, it's 90 degrees right now in Central Park...and it's 6:30!! It shouldn't be 90 degrees at 6:30! I was good today, though, and turned the A/C off before I left my apartment (I left the fan running), so hopefully that will save my landlord a few bucks.

I'm still listening to VIOLET. I swiped a persual copy of the script and vocal book from work today so I can read it. I'd really like to do this show someday. And don't worry--I'll return the script when I'm done with it.

Ask BK: BK, who left the cake out in the rain?

Loving you
Is easy because you're beautiful....
Making love with you
Is all I want to do....
Loving you
Is more than just a dream come true....
And everything that I do
Is out of loving you....

Doo-ooh doo-ooh doo doo...
AHHHHHHHH!
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Sandra on June 09, 2004, 03:47:09 PM
Dear BK or anybody else,

My brother would like to know why Frank Sinatra was called the Chairman of the Board, and frankly (see what I did there?) I would like to know too.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: George on June 09, 2004, 03:47:39 PM
We all got a memo from the Board of Supervisors today informing us that Governor Schwarzenegger has declared Friday a holiday for State workers, as it is for Federal workers, in honor of the interment of President Reagan.  

Alameda County workers, the memo said, will observe a moment of silence at NOON, to commemorate the late president's memory.  

NOON!...Most folks are at lunch at NOON.  THey're not even giving us ONE FREAKING MINUTE OF County time!

We (at the library where I work) got an e-mail from our director saying:

I understand there has been some question about lowering the flags for 30 days in memoriam of the death of a past President.  We will be lowering our flags to half-staff at all locations from now until July 5th.  This is not a question of politics, but of protocol.  

However, we will not be closing on Friday for the funeral.  Federal offices are closing for the day, but the State Library informs me that State offices are not closing
[we're a special county taxing district].  Because we have four hours of funeral leave available to each employee to cover funerals of non-relatives, you would be free to use that, if you want to watch the funeral on TV.  Be sure to check with your supervisor first.  Of course, not everyone in a location can be gone at the same time.

I know of one woman already who has asked to use this Funeral leave so that she can watch the funeral at home.  If anyone else has this option, will you use it?  I'm just curious.  I respect the man, but I don't feel the need to take time off from work to watch him being put into the ground.  I have a VCR and I know how to use it...although, I'm not planning on it.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 09, 2004, 04:08:13 PM
Friday is a holiday for Federal Workers?  You mean NO mail Friday?  Damn!
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 04:15:24 PM
Because he was the Chairman of the Board - the leader, A-Number One, top of the hill.  I, on the other hand, am the Chairman of the Bored.

I would say eBay has a major problem on their hands.  Whoever did what they did last Saturday came back on today and managed to do it again to 229 people, many of them the same as last time - they caught him quickly but not quickly enough, and now we're out two listing fees and two final value fees that we can't get back for weeks.  BUT, I finally have a phone number to call - I shall be calling them first thing in the morning.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Sandra on June 09, 2004, 04:33:50 PM
Thank you, BK.

It is nice and cool here. It's only 93 degrees.

Some time I'll have to tell y'all the story of The Fourth Grade Teacher and the Zebra Fish.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Robin on June 09, 2004, 04:35:55 PM
I must be one of the fortunate few who have never, not even once, in nearly 200 eBay transactions, as seller and as a buyer, have only once had a problem.  

But that was because of the United States Postal Service crushing a package to death, and not because of anything the seller did.  It took me nearly a year to get the Post Office to pay for the insurance, and that was a pain in the tuchus, lemme tell ya!

Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 09, 2004, 04:36:08 PM
"Chairman of the Board" -- it's one of those nonsensical euphemisms someone made up...probably because it was more masculine than calling him "Old Blue Eyes" in introductions, etc.

The question is:  What board?  Board of what?  A Sinatra fan ought to answer here, 'cause I haven't a clue how to gush over someone I didn't care for.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Robin on June 09, 2004, 04:38:39 PM
Friday is a holiday for Federal Workers?  You mean NO mail Friday?  Damn!

Do you think there will be a holiday for Federal Workers when Jimmy Carter shuffles off this mortal coil?
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 09, 2004, 04:40:58 PM
I must be one of the fortunate few who have never, not even once, in nearly 200 eBay transactions, as seller and as a buyer, have only once had a problem.  

But that was because of the United States Postal Service crushing a package to death, and not because of anything the seller did.  It took me nearly a year to get the Post Office to pay for the insurance, and that was a pain in the tuchus, lemme tell ya!

My one tragic -- and inexplicable -- eBay disaster centered around a Sondheim article I won that was part of a public broadcasting auction in New Jersey.

It was a mockup for a Sondheim compilation LP -- the one in which Sondheim's signature -- blown up, of course -- appears diagonally from lower left to upper right corner.  There had been a few of those, and Sondheim had signed in his own hand underneath the blown-up signature.

I got my several hundred dollars back....but the mystery is what happened to it -- it was supposedly shipped, insured, but no one could come forward with the supporting documentation -- and, of course, NO ONE could possibly suspect anyone in the "station" of theft.  Huh-uh!!!

It was to have been a unique acquisition that brought money to the station -- instead, they lost the article and the money, too.  I'm still steamed about it and it has been more than a year since it happened.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 09, 2004, 04:42:28 PM
Do you think there will be a holiday for Federal Workers when Jimmy Carter shuffles off this mortal coil?

I don't think there's much question about it.  I hope not, anyway.  

It shouldn't matter what party is in power -- Carter is the ONLY ex-President who has selflessly given of him self on local, national and international levels time and again.  
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 09, 2004, 04:43:32 PM
Since Friday won't be a "day off", I'm taking a floating holiday.

My plan is to see "...Prisoner of Azkaban."

:D
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: George on June 09, 2004, 04:52:32 PM
This Friday, I'm leaving work early to go to a Seattle Storm women's basketball game.  My niece was supposed to go, but she can't (she's having gum surgery today), so I'm going with a co-worker who likes basketball.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 04:53:51 PM
I decided to jog after all and just got back from another two-miler.  I must now collapse on my couch like so much fish.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 05:31:50 PM
DR Jason, thank you very much for the CD! It just arrived (Bombay Dreams) and  I am listening to it as I type. I really like it so far. Nice songs. Is this the original version or the revamped version (it is revamped for the US showing isn't it?).

Have you listened to Nayak yet? I haven't heard the Shakalaka Baby song on Bombay Dreams just yet so don't know if it is same or a different from the version on Nayak.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on June 09, 2004, 05:33:18 PM
Good Evening!

Sorry to be so relatively "quiet" today.  I guess I'm just settling into my post-long-run routine.  Of course, getting out of bed around 2:00, and then somehow finding myself napping on the couch around 5:30 probably doesn't help either.  So...

For Ask BK Day:

Do you wear running/jogging shoes when you go for your jogs?  Or do you just wear the standard "tennis shoes"?

-For myself, I have a separate pair of running shoes - which truly were/are worth the investment.  Otherwise, I have a pair of cross-trainers for my daily wear/use.  -And I only wear New Balance since I have wide feet.  *Although, it has felt like I've "lost" some width as I've lost some weight over the past two years.  ???

How much thought do you put into your jogging attire?  Do you dress for comfort?  Or do you dress for the possibility that you might run into someone you know while you are jogging?
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 05:33:30 PM
Ok, I am listening to Shakalaka Baby on Bombay Dreams and it is different...on Nayak it is sung in Hindi but this other version is in English...I still like it though. I wonder what Shakalaka means in Hindi?
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 05:38:02 PM
I decided to jog after all and just got back from another two-miler.  I must now collapse on my couch like so much fish.

I hate to be a pedant, but if a fish (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/tiere/animal-smiley-011.gif) collapsed on your couch it would die a horrible death. (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/tiere/animal-smiley-035.gif) Unless your couch is underwater, of course. So unless you're planning to shuffle off this mortal coil, perhaps another analogy is called for.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jane on June 09, 2004, 05:48:27 PM
Dear BK or anybody else,

My brother would like to know why Frank Sinatra was called the Chairman of the Board, and frankly (see what I did there?) I would like to know too.

Keith says, because he was Chairman of the “Rat Pack”.  Then he said to check out Google where I got a slightly different answer:
 
He originally recorded for Columbia Records in the 1940s but switched to Capitol Records in the 1950s. At Capitol, he worked with many of the finest arrangers of the era, most notably Nelson Riddle and Billy May, with whom he made a series of highly regarded recordings. By the 1960s he was a big enough star to start his own record label: Reprise Records. His position with the label earned him the long-lasting nickname "The Chairman of the Board".

Keith still thinks he is correct. :D
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 05:51:29 PM
On a happier note - I hear that SCTV has just been released on DVD. Now I MUST get a new DVD player because I want to laugh and then laugh some more.
One of the joys of working on KING OF KENSINGTON in the last century, was that, as I recall, every single one of the SCTV people guested at least once, some several times. (For those not familiar with SCTV, that would be Joe Flaherty, Andrea Martin, Catherine O'Hara, Dave Thomas, John Candy, Eugene Levy and Rick Moranis.) No matter how lame the Kensington material (and sometimes it was - NEVER when I wrote if, of course) they made it funny.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Sandra on June 09, 2004, 05:55:48 PM
It's probably best not to argue, Jane.  ;) Tell Keith thank you for me.

I am listening to my Arthur and Friends CD. The showstopper is called My Nightlight. Very moving and powerful.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: George on June 09, 2004, 06:09:37 PM
Ok, I am listening to Shakalaka Baby on Bombay Dreams and it is different...on Nayak it is sung in Hindi but this other version is in English...I still like it though. I wonder what Shakalaka means in Hindi?

"Shake your heiny?" ::) Yea, that's it!  Shake Your Heiny, Baby!
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jane on June 09, 2004, 06:12:27 PM
Did anyone read this weeks Parade?  I just finished reading the story of a woman’s whose life was saved while on-line with her gaming group.  Seems there are some happy on-line gaming families out there.  It made me think of our happy family here at HHW. :)


Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jane on June 09, 2004, 06:13:29 PM
Sandra, Keith says you are welcome. :)
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jane on June 09, 2004, 06:18:36 PM
Now I’m reading about a miniature horse named Panda that is a guide horse for a blind woman.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 06:21:05 PM
I just wear tennis shoes - I don't think they're special running shoes or anything.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jane on June 09, 2004, 06:24:21 PM
Now I must get some work done.  I’m trying to read without posting much lately as I have way too much work to do before we leave for Prague next week.  
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jane on June 09, 2004, 06:26:45 PM
Bruce you really should wear proper running shoes when you jog-to protect your back and knees if nothing else.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 06:38:01 PM
Then I can only assume that drag queens are never Republicans. ::)
Story time!

Once upon a time, there was a fellow who was a member of a gay motorcycle club in Los Angeles.  Every year, the gay motorcycle clubs in Los Angeles would hold a fundraiser, which they called the "Empress de Motorcycle."  (Cute, but not very imaginative.)  The proceeds for the fundraiser would go the current charity.  The winner of the title would be whoever raised the most money.

Most years, the men running for the title would dress up in outrageous drag, tour the gay bars, and it was all just a rollicking bit of fun.  This particular "once upon a time" year, however, it had been decided that the money would be given to one of the earliest AIDS charities.  And that was exactly the spark the hero of our story needed to get his a** fired up, so to speak.  

He went to each and every bar with all the other contestants for the title of Empress de Motorcycle, and he did indeed don a little bit of drag, but not much, because it clashed with his very masculine beard.  But he did something that the other contestants didn't do.  He challenged the people in the bars to raise money for the AIDS charity, by telling everyone that he himself would donate a certain amount if they could, together, match that amount.  And match it they would, time and again.

There were complaints that our hero bought the title that year, that he didn't play fair.  But he raised hundreds of dollars for AIDS with his stunts, and win the title he did.  And he rode in the Los Angeles Gay Pride Parade that year, in his very own car proclaiming him the Empress de Motorcycle.

That was nineteen years ago.  I met der Brucer the following year, and he's still our hero, in so many ways, still a bit outrageous, still willing to stand for what he believes in.

(Which proves that some stories have happy prologues!)
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 06:38:59 PM
Page Six Dance:

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%][size=20]Happy Birthday, Anthony![/size][/move]
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Jane on June 09, 2004, 06:48:12 PM
SWW & DerBrucer-nice story.
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Post by: MBarnum on June 09, 2004, 07:17:56 PM
BK, I just finished watching DO KALIYAN (the Bollywood version of THE PARENT TRAP)...well, it was a cute movie but Baby Soniya is no Hayley Mills! I am not sure why, but the filmmakers also had the girl(s) wear way too much make-up...I don't think it is normal for 8 year old girls to wear lipstick and mascara! LOL! Oh, those silly Indians!

This movie is not quite as light hearted as  PARENT TRAP...it has a lot of drama with some comedy mixed in and the story begins, as many Bollywood movies do, at the beginning...meaning that it starts where mom and dad first meet each other and get married and then have the twin girls...after about an hour the twin girls finally meet! Whew, that is a lot of movie! But there is much singing and dancing and it is all very colorful in a way that only Bollywood movies can be. I will have to watch PARENT TRAP this weekend to compare (it has been years since I have seen it, but I do have the DVD).

Not a bad movie, but nothing spectacular. It is only $5.99 from www.erosentertainment.com but you are more then welcome to borrow my copy if you have any desire to see it.

Now I must do the dishes. I'll be back!
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Michael on June 09, 2004, 07:46:22 PM
I have been absent as my monitor is on the fritz> I will get a new one tomorrow and catch up on everything.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 07:49:24 PM
SWW & DerBrucer-nice story.
SHHHH!  He doesn't know I've written it yet!   :o
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 07:50:37 PM
I have been absent as my monitor is on the fritz> I will get a new one tomorrow and catch up on everything.
And I've got to clean my glasses.  At first I thought you wrote "mother" instead of "monitor," which totally changes the meaning of what you wrote!
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 08:16:21 PM
Must be siesta time for the WUSSBURGERS.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 08:17:15 PM
I taped AIA when it was on but still haven't watched it.  My idea of a serious play about AIDS doesn't include transvestites, angels crashing through ceilings and a closeted politician.
I double-checked.  The full title of Tony Kushner's epic is Angels in America: A Gay Fantasia on American Themes.  AIDS is only one of the themes.  So is religion, as exemplified by Mormonism, a religion that was given form in America.  Drug abuse is a theme.  The abuse of political power is a theme.  Our ability to form "families" beyond the familiar nuclear or genetic model is another.  So is being able to laugh, and to cry, sometimes simultaneously.

Which suggests that Kushner has used the word "Gay" in several of it's definitions, when he included it in the play's title.  Good for him!
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Matt H. on June 09, 2004, 08:17:23 PM
Keith says, because he was Chairman of the “Rat Pack”.  Then he said to check out Google where I got a slightly different answer:
 

Keith still thinks he is correct. :D


Shirley MacLaine said on her interview with Robert Osborne on TCM that the group members didn't call themselves "the Rat Pack." The media has dubbed them that, but among themselves they called themselves "The Clan."

"The Rat Pack" was actually the Holmby Hills crowd in the mid-1950s: Humphrey Bogart, Judy Garland, and Sinatra was a tag along with them before he broke away and formed his own group.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 08:21:08 PM
Must be siesta time for the WUSSBURGERS.
No, I'm a wussburger, and I'm here.  They must be getting their second breath.

We could rent out oxygen tanks, and make a tidy profit!  Think of it: HHW Designer O2!  In pretty panteloon tanks!
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Dan (the Man) on June 09, 2004, 08:28:50 PM
Ronald Reagan on the news everywhere I turn!  

Bring back the Smarty Jones and cicada stories!
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 08:30:37 PM
Dinner tonight: Some very savory sausages, cheese tortellini, and a very fresh tomato that I dressed very simply with a pinch of salt, a smaller pinch of sugar, and a grinding of pepper.

And I'm feeling much better on the job, after just two weeks.  I'm more comfortable with the customers, knowing better when to crack a joke, how to answer questions, how to get them to ask questions.  The only problem is, we're back to full staff now, which cuts down on my hours.  I shouldn't complain, though, as the full-timer who is back was out on sick leave, and she was pulling for me to get the job in the first place.  I'll be teamed with her on Sunday, so we'll be able to work out our working relationship then.

With luck, we'll be good friends.  ::crosses fingers for luck::
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 08:34:53 PM
Ronald Reagan on the news everywhere I turn!  

Bring back the Smarty Jones and cicada stories!
Relax and enjoy the show.  It's up for a very limited run.  And how many shows get to claim both Mags Thatcher and Gorbachev as spearcarriers?
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Matt H. on June 09, 2004, 08:46:58 PM
Thank goodness for digital cable and home video during the coming days.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 09, 2004, 08:51:57 PM
Good Evening!

I finally ventured outside the environs of my apartment and went out to get some dinner.  The Chinese Take Out place nearby has something called "Noodles w/Hot Meat Sauce" under their Appetizers.  Well... So I added that onto my order of Kung Po Chicken and Hunan Broccoli.  Well...

"Noodles w/Hot Meat Sauce" is/was just as it is listed on the menu: noodles topped with a hot (both in temp and spiciness) meat sauce.  And the serving size was amazingly generous.  It could make for a very nice lunch and/or dinner.  And the meat sauce was very meaty and very "hot" - lots of chiles.  It was sooo good.  So good, in fact, that I ate the whole thing and ended up saving the rest of my food for my lunch tomorrow.

So... that was my evening.. Exciting, huh?

BK - As DR Jane (was it DR Jane) suggested, I'd invest in some actual running shoes if I were you.  If you're not doing a lot of miles each week, you don't need some fancy-schmancy, expensive pair of running shoes, but running shoes are built differently and support your feet better too.  *If you start noticing some back pain, it's probably due to bad shoes.  And if you've had your current pair of tennis shoes for a while, they may need to be replaced too.

Well, my laptop is getting touchy again, so...

Laters...

Well, actually.. Goodnight.
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: Sandra on June 09, 2004, 08:59:09 PM
I'm eating Chinese food too! What are the chances?
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 09:04:35 PM
But are you eating chinese food in bed?
Title: Re:HENCEFORTH
Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 09:04:47 PM
And one for Mahler.
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Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 09:18:30 PM
Oh... I had the site up all this time and didn't know it.  Been watching an old CBC movie of mine. "Mama's Gonna Buy You a Mockingbird." Started to watch the beginning and stayed with it. It isn't bad. Takes place in the 1950's - I love that period. it's overscored, if there's such a term -- too much music. And the direction is - peculiar. But it's a sweet film. About kids - I like writing about kids.
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Post by: TCB on June 09, 2004, 09:23:46 PM
Heidi Fleiss - I am so there.


Yes, I think she mentioned that in the book!
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on June 09, 2004, 09:25:06 PM
I went out food shopping tonight and spotted a big bag of green seedless grapes on sale so I got me some.  When I got home and put things away, I thought about how much I love frozen grapes, so I popped the whole bag into the freezer.  I just now ate about ten of them--wonderful!  They were slightly swollen and they burst with tangy sweetness when I bit into them in my mouth.  Plus they were refreshingly cold!  I don't usually like eating fruit this late at night, but Yummmm!!!
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Post by: TCB on June 09, 2004, 09:29:36 PM
This Friday, I'm leaving work early to go to a Seattle Storm women's basketball game.  My niece was supposed to go, but she can't (she's having gum surgery today), so I'm going with a co-worker who likes basketball.


Doublemint or Juicy Fruit?
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Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 09:46:47 PM
You know, in the bad songs topic no one mentioned Benjamin Kritzer's favorite bad song - Dominque.
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Post by: S. Woody White on June 09, 2004, 10:12:10 PM
BK, you are evil for even mentioning that song!

 ;)
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Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 10:23:08 PM
Dominique, nique, nique,
Over the land he plods
And sings a little song
Never asking for reward
He just talks about the Lord
He just talks about the Lord

Dominique, nique, nique
S'en allait tout simplement
Routier pauvre et chantant
En tous chemins, en tous lieux,
Il ne parle que du bon Dieu
Il ne parle que du bon Dieu  
                                           (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/musik/music-smiley-008.gif)
 
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Post by: George on June 09, 2004, 10:26:35 PM
Doublemint or Juicy Fruit?

BubbleYum, actually. :D
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Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 11:21:43 PM
Turning off the computer. Not at all sleepy - but I'm going to lie down and read.
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Post by: Jay on June 09, 2004, 11:23:53 PM
I double-checked.  The full title of Tony Kushner's epic is Angels in America: A Gay Fantasia on American Themes.  AIDS is only one of the themes.  So is religion, as exemplified by Mormonism, a religion that was given form in America.  Drug abuse is a theme.  The abuse of political power is a theme.  Our ability to form "families" beyond the familiar nuclear or genetic model is another.  So is being able to laugh, and to cry, sometimes simultaneously.

Which suggests that Kushner has used the word "Gay" in several of it's definitions, when he included it in the play's title.  Good for him!

Don't forget its illustration of forgiveness, even when that forgiveness is hardly deserved.  
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Post by: Jay on June 09, 2004, 11:33:21 PM
Each year the Los Angeles Conservancy hosts a series of classic films in several of the historic movie palaces in downtown Los Angeles.  Tonight I was at the stunning Orpheum Theatre, which was built in 1926 and lovingly restored in 2001.

The program consisted of F.W. Murnau's 1927 silent film Sunrise, accompanied by a live orchestra and the Mighty Wurlitzer, conducted and played, respectively, by Mr. Robert Israel.

It's been over 25 years since I last saw Sunrise, and my memories of it being a stunning film were confirmed tonight.  An archtypal story (the characters don't even have names) of love, lust and redemption, this film amazes in how effectively it tells its tale with a minimum of intertitles.  The sets and cinematography are incredibly evocative, and Janet Gaynor and George O'Brien are superb as The Man and The Wife.

Today's filmmakers should be required to spend more time watching--and learning from--films like Sunrise.
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Post by: Jay on June 09, 2004, 11:41:03 PM
I should mention that one of the sponsors of tonight's screening was Mr. Hugh Hefner, who sat a couple of rows behind me, surrounded by members of his harem entourage.
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Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 11:44:12 PM
I'm still sitting at the fershluganah computer! I was about to shut it off 20 minutes ago... and I'm still here. But NOW I'm going. As soon as I type this sentence I'm putting the old girl (the computer, that is) to sleep. Zzzzzzzz......
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Post by: Panni on June 09, 2004, 11:45:13 PM
I'm goinggg.....
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Post by: Jay on June 09, 2004, 11:47:06 PM
She's gone!
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Post by: George on June 09, 2004, 11:54:13 PM
Each year the Los Angeles Conservancy hosts a series of classic films in several of the historic movie palaces in downtown Los Angeles.  Tonight I was at the stunning Orpheum Theatre, which was built in 1926 and lovingly restored in 2001.

The program consisted of F.W. Murnau's 1927 silent film Sunrise, accompanied by a live orchestra and the Mighty Wurlitzer, conducted and played, respectively, by Mr. Robert Israel.

It's been over 25 years since I last saw Sunrise, and my memories of it being a stunning film were confirmed tonight.  An archtypal story (the characters don't even have names) of love, lust and redemption, this film amazes in how effectively it tells its tale with a minimum of intertitles.  The sets and cinematography are incredibly evocative, and Janet Gaynor and George O'Brien are superb as The Man and The Wife.

Today's filmmakers should be required to spend more time watching--and learning from--films like Sunrise.

Jay, do you know who wrote the score?  Here in Olympia, we have the (appropriately named) Olympia Chamber Orchestra and a former conductor was Tim Brock.  He composed new scores to several silent movies, including "Sunrise."  There was a showing of the film with the orchestra, conducted by Tim Brock, playing his score live with the movie.  It was wonderful.  I think that there was DVD released with his score.
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Post by: bk on June 09, 2004, 11:54:23 PM
She's gone, and so are a bunch of other WUSSBURGERS.  New notes in five minutes, then I must hie myself to bed so I can look decent for the little movie.