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Title: WHO/WHOM
Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 12:16:17 AM
Well, you've read the notes, whom read the notes, who read the notes, and now it is time for you to post until the cows come home - they're currently debating whether it's correct to say MOO or MOOM.
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Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 12:17:54 AM
And the word of the day is: ANACRUSIS!
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Post by: Ben on February 12, 2012, 04:11:52 AM
Morning all.

That is all.
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Post by: Kerry on February 12, 2012, 05:06:45 AM
Just me right now.  Sorry I missed you, Ben!
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Post by: elmore3003 on February 12, 2012, 05:29:18 AM
Good morning, all! Another day of tsuris, I fear, debatng how to respond to an email; I just had to respond to one that was difficult enough. It was also another night of peculiar dreams and much restlessness. I think we have a recording set, I fear we don't, then I think it's back on again, and I don't like the stress. I like the work.

I need more coffee and some food.
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Post by: Jennifer on February 12, 2012, 05:31:37 AM
re: ebooks not being autographed.

At least for the kindle there is something called kindlegraph (go to kindlegraph.com) where authors can sign their ebooks. Never tried this before.
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Post by: Jennifer on February 12, 2012, 05:33:01 AM
I'm disappointed. Today is the winter carnival at the park near here. But unfortunately it is going to be colder than -21C. So no fair. :(

Well it seems like the fair is still on. Since i haven't seen any cancellation notice. But it's too cold. That is where they have the sledding, the horse drawn carriages and the toffee on the snow. I really hope they postpone.
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Post by: Jennifer on February 12, 2012, 05:34:34 AM
I wonder if the Grammy red carpet tonight will be all about Whitney Houston.
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Post by: Jennifer on February 12, 2012, 05:35:50 AM
Interesting reading about the proofers in the notes.

I think some people just have a gift for finding errors. And i'm not talking commas.  It's sort of crazy though that none of the proofers are finding the same things.
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Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 06:24:41 AM
Well it's ALL WHITNEY ALL THE TIME 24/7 on television and the inner web this morning - I hope no one needs to hear about anything else.
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Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 06:25:45 AM
It is 18 degrees with a windchill of ZERO here right now.  So it is February....and the SuperBoil missed it by a week - LUCKY DUCKS.
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Post by: ArnoldMBrockman on February 12, 2012, 06:28:53 AM
And the word of the day is: ANACRUSIS!

And The Song Of The Day Is:  YELLOW SUBMARINE
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Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 06:34:45 AM
The other night I watched a movie titled SECOND FIDDLE with Tyrone Power and Sonja Henie....with a score by Irving Berlin.  There were two really nice songs....it's too bad Guy Haines has chosen all the songs for his new cd....I had never heard either of them.....

I Poured My Heart Into a Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDKOpa98VUw

AND

I'm Sorry For Myself - which doesn't seem to have any clips on YouTube....but is lovely and ironic....
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Post by: Laura on February 12, 2012, 06:35:09 AM
Re proofers: I guess it's a good thing several people are reading the manuscript, since they are all finding different things.
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Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 06:51:52 AM
Next Sunday a new TAR starts - just so know in plenty of time.
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Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 07:05:47 AM
I hope DR JMK will check in today and tell us how Betsy's show went yesterday....

What got the biggest laugh?
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Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 07:06:06 AM
Hmmmm......I wonder how that happened?
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Post by: Michael on February 12, 2012, 07:19:35 AM
Next Sunday a new TAR starts - just so know in plenty of time.

TAR???
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Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 07:36:53 AM
While I understand your point, BK, as someone with an English degree, I must at least offer the opinion that writing grammatically is not necessarily "arch", it's simply being correct.  The easiest way to differentiate between who and whom is that "who" always takes a verb.
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Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 07:38:54 AM
I only stayed for Betsy's 5 o'clock show, JR, and she did fine.  She was a little nervous, which probably only I realized and therefore had a tendency to say "you know," which I've never heard her do before under any circumstances, but other than that, she got some nice laughs and people seemed to really enjoy her.  Her biggest laugh always tends to be one of the jokes I gave her (naturally ;) ).  She does a routine about GPS and talks about how the voices are always female.  She then says if the unit had a male voice, you'd stick in the address and it would say dismissively, "Yeah, I know where that is."  ;)
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Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 07:39:57 AM
My earliest memory of Whitney Houston is of Don Imus making fun of that little horizontal line at the top of her nasal ridge that would appear when she would sing.  He did a whole routine about it on VH1 that I still remember very well.
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Post by: Doug R on February 12, 2012, 07:41:08 AM
Done the laundry. Today's roast is chicken.
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Post by: FJL on February 12, 2012, 07:58:23 AM
More vibes to dear John G!!!!!
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Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 07:58:52 AM
Good morning, all.
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Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 07:59:06 AM
Thanks, FJL.
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Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 07:59:17 AM
Me want roast chicken.  Which means i may just have to make my own. Crispy skin. Nothing better.
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Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 08:05:17 AM
Next Sunday a new TAR starts - just so know in plenty of time.

TAR???

The Amazing Race.
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Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 08:05:49 AM
Thanks for the report DR JMK.......   I like Betsy's routine that includes the line about Jews never seeing a UFO on the way home from temple.
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Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 08:07:11 AM
I think in a book like BK's, the voice of the narrator is highly important and if the narrator is consistent, then the reader will likely forgive the writer or not even notice who vs. whom. We all have our pet peeve phrases, though. Stephen King does three or four that grate on me, though I can't think of them this morning.
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Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 08:17:56 AM
Thanks for the report DR JMK.......   I like Betsy's routine that includes the line about Jews never seeing a UFO on the way home from temple.

Werewolves.  :)  She actually tried that bit the first night, and the 20-something, goyische audience didn't quite get it LOL.
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Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 08:20:52 AM
I completely agree, John, but I also have to admit I decry the slow dumbification (is that a word?  it should be) of the general populace that plays out in everything from poor grammar to inept spelling.  The internet has only increased the stupidity.  Just yesterday I was noticing how many idiots (technical term) on various Forum boards spell definitely "definately".  My actual pet peeves tend to be with more arcane matters of usage, such as my previously mentioned issue with the silent "t" in "often," and the difference between a quantifiable "fewer" and the more inchoate "less".
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Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 08:23:17 AM
This is an anal retentive quality I definately ;) inherited from my Mother, who was like the Grammar or Pronunication Nazi.  I still have a letter she received from the Editor of Time back in the 1980's because she eviscerated their incorrect use of skimp/scrimp.
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Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 08:23:57 AM
The Oregonian repeatedly incorrectly uses "disinterested" to mean "uninterested."
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Post by: Ben on February 12, 2012, 08:24:51 AM
Try this link

I'm So Sorry for Myself (http://www.myspace.com/music/player?sid=86216997&ac=now)
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Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 09:03:28 AM
This morning's viewing is the very strange Passolini "Medea" with Maria Callas and some guy running around without his pants on. That must mean it's Greek. Or something. Or maybe just Passolini.
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Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 09:18:52 AM
While I understand your point, BK, as someone with an English degree, I must at least offer the opinion that writing grammatically is not necessarily "arch", it's simply being correct.  The easiest way to differentiate between who and whom is that "who" always takes a verb.

English degrees are for people with English degrees - books are written by people and those people have been bending "rules" since the year One and those rules have changed constantly over the years.  What was once looked on as a horrible mistake is now accepted.  And I agree with John G. about the voice of the book.  Anyone can write a grammatically perfect book, but that does not make the book well written or even interesting.  I've been bending rules about everything my whole life.  Some I've bent are now common practice.  Some aren't.  I've been bending grammar rules since book one.  I had three proofers on that one, too, and the comma thing drove me batty and I just refused to do it in certain instances because, for me, the rhythm of the narrator in that book was very specific and I would not allow overdone punctuation to make reading a line that should sail to become herky-jerky thanks to six commas.  Will not do it.  I do the stuff that's important and that makes sense and that doesn't hurt the flow.  And I'm not the only one.

Spelling and laziness are something wholly other and I don't like either.  But some awfully great books have first edition errors that got by proofers - fixed in subsequent editions.  Most recently, J.K. Rowling's books, each and every one, have had blatant errors in them that have been corrected in subsequent printings, making those error copies even more valuable.  East of Eden has an error.  Agee's A Death in the Family has an error.  And on it goes.  You try to catch it all, but sometimes one or two get by the best of proofers.
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Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 09:22:16 AM
While I understand your point, BK, as someone with an English degree, I must at least offer the opinion that writing grammatically is not necessarily "arch", it's simply being correct.  The easiest way to differentiate between who and whom is that "who" always takes a verb.

English degrees are for people with English degrees - books are written by people and those people have been bending "rules" since the year One and those rules have changed constantly over the years.  What was once looked on as a horrible mistake is now accepted.  And I agree with John G. about the voice of the book.  Anyone can write a grammatically perfect book, but that does not make the book well written or even interesting.  I've been bending rules about everything my whole life.  Some I've bent are now common practice.  Some aren't.  I've been bending grammar rules since book one.  I had three proofers on that one, too, and the comma thing drove me batty and I just refused to do it in certain instances because, for me, the rhythm of the narrator in that book was very specific and I would not allow overdone punctuation to make reading a line that should sail to become herky-jerky thanks to six commas.  Will not do it.  I do the stuff that's important and that makes sense and that doesn't hurt the flow.  And I'm not the only one.

And you'll note I agreed with both you and John.  I was simply stating that being grammatically correct isn't necessarily being arch.
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Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 09:24:23 AM
I was up at six, then finally fell back asleep.  I'm very tired but must perk up very soon.
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Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 09:34:32 AM
Whom is tired?  Meem, that's whom.
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Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 09:35:57 AM
Here is a typical sentence with correct comma placement that would drive me crazy:  Blah, blah blah blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, and blah.
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Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 09:43:53 AM
Here is a typical sentence with correct comma placement that would drive me crazy:  Blah, blah blah blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, and blah.

Oxford comma?   ;D
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Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 10:12:55 AM
Oh thanks DR BEN......what a terrific Irving Berlin song.....and I had never heard ANY of the songs in the score until I saw that movie.
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Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 10:17:38 AM
Hmmmmmmmmm......I had to go order a used copy of MR BK'S Unsung Berlin......I can't believe I don't have that CD set!!!
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Post by: FJL on February 12, 2012, 10:27:21 AM
Since it wouldn't be a Grammy day without a spoof of the probable big winner (not that that's a good thing)

sadly, with a disclaimer that it was done before news of Whitney Houston's death. :(  Until last night, the big Grammy story was going to be Adele's likely sweep of the awards - and CBS charging megabucks for the commercials because of Adele-mania.


Tune of Adele's ROLLING IN THE DEEP, as if sung by the CBS ad salesmen pushing those $800,000 30-second commercial spots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh6OqPif0M


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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 10:39:52 AM
Since it wouldn't be a Grammy day without a spoof of the probable big winner (not that that's a good thing)

sadly, with a disclaimer that it was done before news of Whitney Houston's death. :(  Until last night, the big Grammy story was going to be Adele's likely sweep of the awards - and CBS charging megabucks for the commercials because of Adele-mania.


Tune of Adele's ROLLING IN THE DEEP, as if sung by the CBS ad salesmen pushing those $800,000 30-second commercial spots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh6OqPif0M




LOL  FJL!!
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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 10:45:55 AM
Lay night the Vixter and I went t a local high school production of Sweeney Todd  (NOT a "junior" production)

Their Sweeney was VERY good and the Judge was good - the rest of the cast was OK -  but they really gave it their all -  a very ambitious show for a public high school and I did not notice any censoring


The set was amazing!  there were two  two story  pieces that turned 360 degrees and opened up - the centrpiece of course being the pie shop/barbershop - with a working chair and slide - the bodies went down there and rolled out downstairs  by the oven

It was very impressive  especially for a public high school in a blue collar neighborhood

 

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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 10:46:37 AM
I have a beef stew in the slow cooker - just the thing for a bitter cold day
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Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 10:46:39 AM
Lay night the Vixter and I went t a local high school production of Sweeney Todd  (NOT a "junior" production)

Their Sweeney was VERY good and the Judge was good - the rest of the cast was OK -  but they really gave it their all -  a very ambitious show for a public high school and I did not notice any censoring


The set was amazing!  there were two  two story  pieces that turned 360 degrees and opened up - the centrpiece of course being the pie shop/barbershop - with a working chair and slide - the bodies went down there and rolled out downstairs  by the oven

It was very impressive  especially for a public high school in a blue collar neighborhood

 



I would think with SWEENEY TODD it would mostly be a red collar neighborhood.  ;)
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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 10:47:10 AM
Thought not as cold as  Jennifer's weather by a long shot
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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 10:48:11 AM
Thank you  for the MIL vibes -  I just heard from FIL and she is recovering nicely and may be released as early as Wednesday
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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 10:48:36 AM
Rapid Recovery Vibes for  John G
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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 10:49:11 AM
John - did you or the other John G you know  ever hear more about your breakins?
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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 10:50:48 AM
Re the popcorn microwave - tried baking soda and white vinegar  and I have had a box of baking soda standing in there for a week - I mayhave to fgo with Laura's suggestion though I am quite loathe to do it as it is only a year old
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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 10:51:26 AM
Lay night the Vixter and I went t a local high school production of Sweeney Todd  (NOT a "junior" production)

Their Sweeney was VERY good and the Judge was good - the rest of the cast was OK -  but they really gave it their all -  a very ambitious show for a public high school and I did not notice any censoring


The set was amazing!  there were two  two story  pieces that turned 360 degrees and opened up - the centrpiece of course being the pie shop/barbershop - with a working chair and slide - the bodies went down there and rolled out downstairs  by the oven

It was very impressive  especially for a public high school in a blue collar neighborhood

 



I would think with SWEENEY TODD it would mostly be a red collar neighborhood.  ;)

I truly laughed  out loud at this JMK!!!
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Post by: FJL on February 12, 2012, 11:05:31 AM
Since it wouldn't be a Grammy day without a spoof of the probable big winner (not that that's a good thing)

sadly, with a disclaimer that it was done before news of Whitney Houston's death. :(  Until last night, the big Grammy story was going to be Adele's likely sweep of the awards - and CBS charging megabucks for the commercials because of Adele-mania.


Tune of Adele's ROLLING IN THE DEEP, as if sung by the CBS ad salesmen pushing those $800,000 30-second commercial spots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh6OqPif0M




LOL  FJL!!


Thanks, vixmom.

I find myself surprised at how many of my theater-loving friends don't know Adele and Rolling in the Deep from a hole in the wall.  but then, i was in a fog last week with the Super Bowl, which I thought was just a bookend for a show with Madonna and Cee Lo.
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Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 11:06:04 AM
Good news from DR VIXMOM.

Very funny DR FJL.....and I am sure it would be even funnier if I knew the original song.
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Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 11:08:08 AM
   Here are a couple of inner web suggestions DR VIXMOM.


If the lingering odor is still a problem, there are two methods you can try: coffee and vinegar. We’ll start with the coffee method.
    Coffee is known to absorb odors, so fill the coffee mug or small bowl with about 2 tablespoons of ground coffee and ˝ cup of water.
    Set the cup in a small bowl (to catch any overflow as it boils) and place it in the microwave.
    Microwave the coffee on high for about 2 minutes. Be careful when you go to remove it as it will be HOT.
    Repeat as necessary.
    Another odor remover is vinegar. Fill the small bowl about half full of vinegar and place it in the microwave.
    Turn the microwave on and let it heat until it steams.
    Once it has developed a good amount of steam, turn off the microwave and let it set for about 10 minutes.
    Wipe out the microwave with water and a soft cloth.
    There may be a vinegar smell in the microwave, but this will dissipate within a day or two.
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Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 11:19:24 AM
DR George thank you for the movie review from last night.
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Post by: FJL on February 12, 2012, 11:19:49 AM
Good news from DR VIXMOM.

Very funny DR FJL.....and I am sure it would be even funnier if I knew the original song.

Thanks, Jrand!     

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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 11:20:34 AM
Thank you JRand!   I tried an innerweb search but I must have phrased it incorrectly
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Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 11:21:44 AM
I only stayed for Betsy's 5 o'clock show, JR, and she did fine.  She was a little nervous, which probably only I realized and therefore had a tendency to say "you know," which I've never heard her do before under any circumstances, but other than that, she got some nice laughs and people seemed to really enjoy her.  Her biggest laugh always tends to be one of the jokes I gave her (naturally ;) ).  She does a routine about GPS and talks about how the voices are always female.  She then says if the unit had a male voice, you'd stick in the address and it would say dismissively, "Yeah, I know where that is."  ;)

;D
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Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 11:23:21 AM
Try this link

I'm So Sorry for Myself (http://www.myspace.com/music/player?sid=86216997&ac=now)

:)
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Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 11:25:20 AM
Thank you  for the MIL vibes -  I just heard from FIL and she is recovering nicely and may be released as early as Wednesday

Wonderful news!!!
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Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 11:26:35 AM
Re the popcorn microwave - tried baking soda and white vinegar  and I have had a box of baking soda standing in there for a week - I mayhave to fgo with Laura's suggestion though I am quite loathe to do it as it is only a year old


Do you have a microwave popper or use a store purchased bag with lots of junk added to the popcorn?
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Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 11:28:21 AM
   Here are a couple of inner web suggestions DR VIXMOM.


If the lingering odor is still a problem, there are two methods you can try: coffee and vinegar. We’ll start with the coffee method.
    Coffee is known to absorb odors, so fill the coffee mug or small bowl with about 2 tablespoons of ground coffee and ˝ cup of water.
    Set the cup in a small bowl (to catch any overflow as it boils) and place it in the microwave.
    Microwave the coffee on high for about 2 minutes. Be careful when you go to remove it as it will be HOT.
    Repeat as necessary.
    Another odor remover is vinegar. Fill the small bowl about half full of vinegar and place it in the microwave.
    Turn the microwave on and let it heat until it steams.
    Once it has developed a good amount of steam, turn off the microwave and let it set for about 10 minutes.
    Wipe out the microwave with water and a soft cloth.
    There may be a vinegar smell in the microwave, but this will dissipate within a day or two.


I never heard of coffee.  I was about to suggest microwaving vinegar.
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Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 11:28:54 AM
An enzyme cleaner might also work.
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Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 11:30:21 AM
The other night I watched a movie titled SECOND FIDDLE with Tyrone Power and Sonja Henie....with a score by Irving Berlin.  There were two really nice songs....it's too bad Guy Haines has chosen all the songs for his new cd....I had never heard either of them.....

I Poured My Heart Into a Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDKOpa98VUw

AND

I'm Sorry For Myself - which doesn't seem to have any clips on YouTube....but is lovely and ironic....

:)
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Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 11:30:50 AM
I hope DR Jennifer is not freezing while playing at the festival.
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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 11:32:52 AM
   Here are a couple of inner web suggestions DR VIXMOM.


If the lingering odor is still a problem, there are two methods you can try: coffee and vinegar. We’ll start with the coffee method.
    Coffee is known to absorb odors, so fill the coffee mug or small bowl with about 2 tablespoons of ground coffee and ˝ cup of water.
    Set the cup in a small bowl (to catch any overflow as it boils) and place it in the microwave.
    Microwave the coffee on high for about 2 minutes. Be careful when you go to remove it as it will be HOT.
    Repeat as necessary.
    Another odor remover is vinegar. Fill the small bowl about half full of vinegar and place it in the microwave.
    Turn the microwave on and let it heat until it steams.
    Once it has developed a good amount of steam, turn off the microwave and let it set for about 10 minutes.
    Wipe out the microwave with water and a soft cloth.
    There may be a vinegar smell in the microwave, but this will dissipate within a day or two.


I never heard of coffee.  I was about to suggest microwaving vinegar.

Really? I am surprised!  It is a very popular beverage in the US of A
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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 11:33:01 AM
 ;D
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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 11:35:09 AM
Re the popcorn microwave - tried baking soda and white vinegar  and I have had a box of baking soda standing in there for a week - I mayhave to fgo with Laura's suggestion though I am quite loathe to do it as it is only a year old


Do you have a microwave popper or use a store purchased bag with lots of junk added to the popcorn?

the Vixter was given a bag of microwave popcorn by somebody and overcooked it ---

I have a air popper  popcorn maker which I much prefer
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Post by: elmore3003 on February 12, 2012, 12:04:18 PM
Here is a typical sentence with correct comma placement that would drive me crazy:  Blah, blah blah blah, blah, blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, and blah.

The problem iwith what you just posted is that your sentence has no verb so it cannot be a sentence. I think a post here, and I'm very guilty here on runon sentences, misplaced prepositions, etc, I think i've been called himorless and other things as well, but posting here is something I write quickly, often and incorrectly using it's for its and too for to or two. For my professional work, I want a proofreader to catch these things, along with other incorrect things, from obective case to transitive and intransitive verbs. I prefer to see the same correct grammar in what I read or hear; the illiteracy in tv writing and the news is appalling to me.

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Post by: elmore3003 on February 12, 2012, 12:05:31 PM
I have a beef stew in the slow cooker - just the thing for a bitter cold day

Can you send directions to Deer park?
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Post by: elmore3003 on February 12, 2012, 12:08:09 PM
This has been a day of trouble shooting and long phone conversations.  I feel I've achieved very little.
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Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 12:31:22 PM
I find this wall to wall Whitney coverage absurd.
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Post by: Laura on February 12, 2012, 12:32:00 PM
Some days I am glad I have no tv, JMK.

Most days, actually. Especially now that it is campaign season.
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Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 12:34:20 PM
Betsy, a former news anchor/reporter/writer, has a major pet peeve:  if reporters/commentators use a singular verb with media.  She has been known to scream at the television.  ;)
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Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 12:42:03 PM
Well it's ALL WHITNEY ALL THE TIME 24/7 on television and the inner web this morning - I hope no one needs to hear about anything else.

Hmmm, not on my TV.  I saw only a couple of brief stories about Whitney this morning.  Ironically, I have some extreme skiing competition playing in the backbground; and one of the favorites they keep talking about is Bobby Brown.  Every time they say the name, I have to turn around and see which Bobby Brown they are talking about.
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Post by: Ben on February 12, 2012, 12:47:21 PM
I have a beef stew in the slow cooker - just the thing for a bitter cold day

Can you send directions to Deer park?

Take the Ronkonkoma Long Island Railroad train from Penn Station to Deer Park. The trains run every hour on a weekend. Vixmom will be waiting for you at the station. It's a little over an hour on the train. Bring your iPod and chill out and look at the "lovely" scenery on the train ride out. When you return it will be dark so there will be nothing to see ;)
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Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 12:53:45 PM
Try this link

I'm So Sorry for Myself (http://www.myspace.com/music/player?sid=86216997&ac=now)


Sorry, it would not let me in to that site.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Ben on February 12, 2012, 12:59:28 PM
Hmm, I don't know why. It's a big band arrangement of the song. It's nice to hear but I can't find any other performances (as JR said, there is nothing on YouTube)
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 01:00:15 PM
John - did you or the other John G you know  ever hear more about your breakins?
No. Nothing was taken of any importance, so the police didn't bother with it.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 01:01:06 PM
Since it wouldn't be a Grammy day without a spoof of the probable big winner (not that that's a good thing)

sadly, with a disclaimer that it was done before news of Whitney Houston's death. :(  Until last night, the big Grammy story was going to be Adele's likely sweep of the awards - and CBS charging megabucks for the commercials because of Adele-mania.


Tune of Adele's ROLLING IN THE DEEP, as if sung by the CBS ad salesmen pushing those $800,000 30-second commercial spots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh6OqPif0M




Nice, but unfortunately I don't know any of Adele's muisc.
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Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 01:01:12 PM
Betsy, a former news anchor/reporter/writer, has a major pet peeve:  if reporters/commentators use a singular verb with media.  She has been known to scream at the television.  ;)
Or the data says.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 01:03:31 PM
Lay night the Vixter and I went t a local high school production of Sweeney Todd  (NOT a "junior" production)

Their Sweeney was VERY good and the Judge was good - the rest of the cast was OK -  but they really gave it their all -  a very ambitious show for a public high school and I did not notice any censoring


The set was amazing!  there were two  two story  pieces that turned 360 degrees and opened up - the centrpiece of course being the pie shop/barbershop - with a working chair and slide - the bodies went down there and rolled out downstairs  by the oven

It was very impressive  especially for a public high school in a blue collar neighborhood

 



Do they recast the bodies after every show?  Or is that only in the New Jersey productions?
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Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 01:06:38 PM
Thank you  for the MIL vibes -  I just heard from FIL and she is recovering nicely and may be released as early as Wednesday


LOL!  I thought you wrote that you heard from FJL, and I wondered why he was at at the hospital.
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Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 01:07:21 PM
Since it wouldn't be a Grammy day without a spoof of the probable big winner (not that that's a good thing)

sadly, with a disclaimer that it was done before news of Whitney Houston's death. :(  Until last night, the big Grammy story was going to be Adele's likely sweep of the awards - and CBS charging megabucks for the commercials because of Adele-mania.


Tune of Adele's ROLLING IN THE DEEP, as if sung by the CBS ad salesmen pushing those $800,000 30-second commercial spots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh6OqPif0M




LOL  FJL!!
At the risk of sounding like Dame Maggie on "Downton Abbey," what is an Adele? Nice lyric, as always, FJL. Would have been better for me to have the context.
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Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 01:07:44 PM
Lay night the Vixter and I went t a local high school production of Sweeney Todd  (NOT a "junior" production)

Their Sweeney was VERY good and the Judge was good - the rest of the cast was OK -  but they really gave it their all -  a very ambitious show for a public high school and I did not notice any censoring


The set was amazing!  there were two  two story  pieces that turned 360 degrees and opened up - the centrpiece of course being the pie shop/barbershop - with a working chair and slide - the bodies went down there and rolled out downstairs  by the oven

It was very impressive  especially for a public high school in a blue collar neighborhood

 



Do they recast the bodies after every show?  Or is that only in the New Jersey productions?
LOL.
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Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 01:09:05 PM
Bird is home.

Had a shower. Feel magically human again after feeling all that hot water pouring down on me.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 01:09:26 PM
One more.
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Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 01:09:35 PM
Page four!
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 01:10:01 PM
An enzyme cleaner might also work.

If I had to put up with the smell of popcorn, I would use Laura's suggestion.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Laura on February 12, 2012, 01:11:08 PM
I remember how great a shower was after surgery, too. Glad you and bird are home and feeling better.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 01:11:46 PM
   Here are a couple of inner web suggestions DR VIXMOM.


If the lingering odor is still a problem, there are two methods you can try: coffee and vinegar. We’ll start with the coffee method.
    Coffee is known to absorb odors, so fill the coffee mug or small bowl with about 2 tablespoons of ground coffee and ˝ cup of water.
    Set the cup in a small bowl (to catch any overflow as it boils) and place it in the microwave.
    Microwave the coffee on high for about 2 minutes. Be careful when you go to remove it as it will be HOT.
    Repeat as necessary.
    Another odor remover is vinegar. Fill the small bowl about half full of vinegar and place it in the microwave.
    Turn the microwave on and let it heat until it steams.
    Once it has developed a good amount of steam, turn off the microwave and let it set for about 10 minutes.
    Wipe out the microwave with water and a soft cloth.
    There may be a vinegar smell in the microwave, but this will dissipate within a day or two.


I never heard of coffee.  I was about to suggest microwaving vinegar.

Really? I am surprised!  It is a very popular beverage in the US of A


ROTFLMAO!  I am glad I wasn't drinking liquids when I read that.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 01:15:29 PM
Hmm, I don't know why. It's a big band arrangement of the song. It's nice to hear but I can't find any other performances (as JR said, there is nothing on YouTube)


I tried it again, and it worked this time.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 01:18:35 PM
   Here are a couple of inner web suggestions DR VIXMOM.


If the lingering odor is still a problem, there are two methods you can try: coffee and vinegar. We’ll start with the coffee method.
    Coffee is known to absorb odors, so fill the coffee mug or small bowl with about 2 tablespoons of ground coffee and ˝ cup of water.
    Set the cup in a small bowl (to catch any overflow as it boils) and place it in the microwave.
    Microwave the coffee on high for about 2 minutes. Be careful when you go to remove it as it will be HOT.
    Repeat as necessary.
    Another odor remover is vinegar. Fill the small bowl about half full of vinegar and place it in the microwave.
    Turn the microwave on and let it heat until it steams.
    Once it has developed a good amount of steam, turn off the microwave and let it set for about 10 minutes.
    Wipe out the microwave with water and a soft cloth.
    There may be a vinegar smell in the microwave, but this will dissipate within a day or two.


I never heard of coffee.  I was about to suggest microwaving vinegar.

Really? I am surprised!  It is a very popular beverage in the US of A

Ha! Ha! ;)
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 01:41:27 PM
Since it wouldn't be a Grammy day without a spoof of the probable big winner (not that that's a good thing)

sadly, with a disclaimer that it was done before news of Whitney Houston's death. :(  Until last night, the big Grammy story was going to be Adele's likely sweep of the awards - and CBS charging megabucks for the commercials because of Adele-mania.


Tune of Adele's ROLLING IN THE DEEP, as if sung by the CBS ad salesmen pushing those $800,000 30-second commercial spots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh6OqPif0M




LOL  FJL!!
At the risk of sounding like Dame Maggie on "Downton Abbey," what is an Adele? Nice lyric, as always, FJL. Would have been better for me to have the context.

Some grammatically anal person wrote about Adele here (http://<a href="http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Adele-Live-at-the-Royal-Albert-Hall-Blu-ray/32356/#Review">Adele: Live at the Royal Albert Hall Blu-ray review</a>).
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 01:54:57 PM
Re the popcorn microwave - tried baking soda and white vinegar  and I have had a box of baking soda standing in there for a week - I mayhave to fgo with Laura's suggestion though I am quite loathe to do it as it is only a year old


Do you have a microwave popper or use a store purchased bag with lots of junk added to the popcorn?

the Vixter was given a bag of microwave popcorn by somebody and overcooked it ---


Which makes the smell harder to get out with all the crap that is added to the popcorn. 
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 01:58:04 PM
Bird is home.

Had a shower. Feel magically human again after feeling all that hot water pouring down on me.

:)

:)
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Post by: Ginny on February 12, 2012, 01:58:47 PM
Sunday afternoon greetings!  We are back from Lima after a long day.  There was a vestry meeting after church and I was hoping to sit in Richard's office and read while he was in the meeting.  No, the wife of one committee member and the mother of another were also waiting and wanted to visit.  Then we paid a nursing home call and had a quick sandwich at the new Arby's.  Didn't get home until about 4:30.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 01:59:29 PM
We are talking to Bryan.  Laters.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 02:00:15 PM
Sunday afternoon greetings!  We are back from Lima after a long day.  There was a vestry meeting after church and I was hoping to sit in Richard's office and read while he was in the meeting.  No, the wife of one committee member and the mother of another were also waiting and wanted to visit.  Then we paid a nursing home call and had a quick sandwich at the new Arby's.  Didn't get home until about 4:30.


I like Arby's food.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 02:02:37 PM
Glory be!  Baseball Spring Training has started at last.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Laura on February 12, 2012, 02:04:40 PM
Has it? Did they start the games already?
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 02:10:27 PM
Has it? Did they start the games already?

Nope, not yet.  Just the pitchers and the catchers have reported.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Laura on February 12, 2012, 02:15:10 PM
Ah. I thought the games were in March.
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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 02:16:42 PM
I have a beef stew in the slow cooker - just the thing for a bitter cold day

Can you send directions to Deer park?

Just hop on the LIRR Lar!!
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 02:17:50 PM
Has it? Did they start the games already?


I think March 2 or 3 is the first game.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 02:18:04 PM
Thank you  for the MIL vibes -  I just heard from FIL and she is recovering nicely and may be released as early as Wednesday


LOL!  I thought you wrote that you heard from FJL, and I wondered why he was at at the hospital.


He's a really really good friend!!


LOL
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 02:18:50 PM
How is Vixmom-in-law feeling?
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 02:19:29 PM
Thank you  for the MIL vibes -  I just heard from FIL and she is recovering nicely and may be released as early as Wednesday


LOL!  I thought you wrote that you heard from FJL, and I wondered why he was at at the hospital.


He's a really really good friend!!


LOL


I guess.  Does your father-in-law know how close?
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jeanne on February 12, 2012, 02:36:21 PM
Hello, everyone.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 02:36:41 PM
Last fall, I used to hear this song on the radio just about every morning when the clock radio came on.  Early morning they don't often tell you who sang what song, but I heard it so often, I figured it must be Adele.  Nope, it turned out it was Katy Perry, so I guess I didn't know her voice either.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jeanne on February 12, 2012, 02:41:28 PM
I suspect I'm in DR JMK's camp when it comes to grammar and punctuation. We all make mistakes at times, and sometimes we choose to bend the rules. If you bend the rules you need to be consistent about it, as you're making a statement.

As someone who has edited loads and loads of writing, I cannot recall a single case in which incorrect punctuation got in the way of the rhythm or flow. However, I frequently see examples of incorrect punctuation which has changed the meaning of the sentence and misled the reader.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jeanne on February 12, 2012, 02:43:55 PM
I like JMK's word "dumbification". I usually refer to it as "dumbing down", and was complaining about it just the other day. It really bugs me to see so many errors in professional publications.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jeanne on February 12, 2012, 02:44:46 PM
Would someone refresh my memory on the UFO story? I know I've heard the story before, but it's just not coming to mind.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jeanne on February 12, 2012, 02:45:51 PM
I only stayed for Betsy's 5 o'clock show, JR, and she did fine.  She was a little nervous, which probably only I realized and therefore had a tendency to say "you know," which I've never heard her do before under any circumstances, but other than that, she got some nice laughs and people seemed to really enjoy her.  Her biggest laugh always tends to be one of the jokes I gave her (naturally ;) ).  She does a routine about GPS and talks about how the voices are always female.  She then says if the unit had a male voice, you'd stick in the address and it would say dismissively, "Yeah, I know where that is."  ;)

 ;D

Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 02:49:16 PM
I have always found the title of the book FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS to be beautiful.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 02:49:24 PM
LOL DR VIXMOM.

DR JEANNE - as I remember the story....that was the punchline after giving a few examples of people seeing UFO's in different circumstances....as I remember it.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 02:50:02 PM
I don't have much schoolification, but most people cain't hardly even tell much.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 02:50:35 PM
I did put the commit in the right place in my sentence up yonder.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jeanne on February 12, 2012, 02:51:58 PM
Are there any Adele fans here? Twice now I've tried to listen to her on Amazon clips, but I just can't do it. I just don't care for her music. Maybe it's too pop for me. I don't know.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 02:52:25 PM
Page Five Grammar Dance.

(http://mix967.ca/wp-content/files_flutter/1325093306granny.jpg)
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 02:52:46 PM
The Bird has landed.  Good news DR JOHNG.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jeanne on February 12, 2012, 02:53:16 PM
I don't have much schoolification, but most people cain't hardly even tell much.

Ain't that the truth!!
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 02:53:34 PM
DR JEANNE the only Adele I like is Adele Jergens....and she doesn't sing much anymore.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jeanne on February 12, 2012, 02:53:47 PM
I did put the commit in the right place in my sentence up yonder.

Those commits can be really evil.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jeanne on February 12, 2012, 02:54:30 PM
Page Five Grammar Dance.

(http://mix967.ca/wp-content/files_flutter/1325093306granny.jpg)

LOL. I love that photo!
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jeanne on February 12, 2012, 02:56:09 PM
I have this image of John G's bird taking a shower with him. You did say the bird is on your shoulder constantly, didn't you, John?
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 02:57:47 PM
How is Vixmom-in-law feeling?

I hear she is doing well we have not been able to talk to her directly
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jeanne on February 12, 2012, 02:58:29 PM
TTFN.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 02:59:51 PM
Are there any Adele fans here? Twice now I've tried to listen to her on Amazon clips, but I just can't do it. I just don't care for her music. Maybe it's too pop for me. I don't know.

I don't know.  I suppose I should listen to her & find out, just not in the mood to do so.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Vixter09 on February 12, 2012, 03:02:49 PM
*ENTERS DRAMATICALLY*
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Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 03:05:19 PM
Well, kind of ;)
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 03:06:33 PM
Hi DR Vixter, as always it is a special treat when you stop in.  How is school?
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Laura on February 12, 2012, 03:07:10 PM
Hi Vixter. Entering just like an actor.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Laura on February 12, 2012, 03:07:55 PM
Are there any Adele fans here? Twice now I've tried to listen to her on Amazon clips, but I just can't do it. I just don't care for her music. Maybe it's too pop for me. I don't know.

I don't know.  I suppose I should listen to her & find out, just not in the mood to do so.

I think many of us are too old to appreciate Adele's music. Well, at least I am.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 03:10:26 PM
DR LAURA we appreciate music at any age.....noise is noise no matter how old we are.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Vixter09 on February 12, 2012, 03:16:35 PM
Hi DR Vixter, as always it is a special treat when you stop in.  How is school?

It's going rather well. I'm enjoying myself. ^^
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Vixter09 on February 12, 2012, 03:17:17 PM
Hi Vixter. Entering just like an actor.

As is to be expected and done on this site. ^^
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 03:19:39 PM
Hi DR Vixter, as always it is a special treat when you stop in.  How is school?

It's going rather well. I'm enjoying myself. ^^

:D
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Vixter09 on February 12, 2012, 03:25:21 PM
Hi DR Vixter, as always it is a special treat when you stop in.  How is school?

It's going rather well. I'm enjoying myself. ^^

:D

And yourself?
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 03:25:46 PM
Back from the competition.  It ran really long so I had to leave after hearing only two of the final five - they're going to average in my previous scores for the five finalists.  They didn't even have us speak this time (a good thing), but they started almost forty-five minutes late and then what was supposed to be a ten-minute break for them to tally scores turned into another forty-five minute break.  They began doing the final five at two-thirty, which was when it was all supposed to be over.  I stayed till 2:40 and then had to bolt.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 03:27:34 PM
The real estate lady got here at three.  She really only glanced at things to ascertain that everything was in good repair - she was very impressed with how clean I keep everything.  I showed her the window with the rotting wood so she can report back that that really needs attending to very soon (I'm told they're working on it).  But the best news was that they have no intention of selling for the reasons I stated yesterday.  So, I think I can stay put here for at least a few more years.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 03:29:25 PM
Sunday afternoon greetings!  We are back from Lima after a long day.  There was a vestry meeting after church and I was hoping to sit in Richard's office and read while he was in the meeting.  No, the wife of one committee member and the mother of another were also waiting and wanted to visit.  Then we paid a nursing home call and had a quick sandwich at the new Arby's.  Didn't get home until about 4:30.


I like Arby's food.

Great episode of the Simpsons on Arby's. They were doing a spoof of 'Lord of the Flies' and one kid, who hasn't eaten in days, says, "I'm so hungry, I'd almost eat Arby's." The rest gag at the thought and continue on with whatever they were doing.
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Post by: FJL on February 12, 2012, 03:29:27 PM
Sunday afternoon greetings!  We are back from Lima after a long day.  There was a vestry meeting after church and I was hoping to sit in Richard's office and read while he was in the meeting.  No, the wife of one committee member and the mother of another were also waiting and wanted to visit.  Then we paid a nursing home call and had a quick sandwich at the new Arby's.  Didn't get home until about 4:30.


I like Arby's food.


Doesn't Maggie Smith work in the Downtown Arby's?     [not my joke, though I wish it were]
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 03:31:30 PM
Hi DR Vixter, as always it is a special treat when you stop in.  How is school?

It's going rather well. I'm enjoying myself. ^^


Glad to hear it.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 03:31:58 PM
I hate to disagree with dear reader Jeanne, but I do as regards over punctuation in a conversational sentence, where the eye is literally stopped every couple of words - just because someone at some point deemed certain rules correct, doesn't mean one can't obey them in order for a sentence to read in a similar fashion to one speaking it.  If you were speaking a sentence, you wouldn't pause for commas - it would sound weird.  I'll put them in if it's necessary, but for a line where I don't want the rhythm broken I absolutely will not.

Here's an example.  And boy was she sexy.  That sentence reads just the way I would speak it.  The fix suggested was: And, boy, was she sexy.  That, to me and my eye, is just pointless.  So, poll - which do you like better - the absolutely correct or the conversational.  I happen to think either is correct.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 03:32:36 PM
I have this image of John G's bird taking a shower with him. You did say the bird is on your shoulder constantly, didn't you, John?
He was not allowed into the shower. Too much effort. But he's with me now.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: FJL on February 12, 2012, 03:33:25 PM
Are there any Adele fans here? Twice now I've tried to listen to her on Amazon clips, but I just can't do it. I just don't care for her music. Maybe it's too pop for me. I don't know.

I don't know.  I suppose I should listen to her & find out, just not in the mood to do so.


She's being profiled on "60 Minutes" tonight, or at least that was scheduled as of yesterday as a lead-in to the Grammys. 

Adele has had the #1 album in the U.S. for 20 weeks at this point. 

Eerily, in the past 20 years since the "soundscan" measuring has existed, , only THE BODYGUARD, with Whitney Houston's string of hits has spent more weeks at #1.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 03:33:56 PM
Page Six!
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 03:40:37 PM
I seemed to have developed a very bad head cold in the past 6 hours
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Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 03:41:01 PM
and the wind it blows mightily ---
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Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 03:41:13 PM
Watching the "Flame and the Arrow" with Burt Lancaster. It's yet another of those movies where he seems more interested in his male co-stars than in Virginia Mayo.

Will think about how to phrase my answer to BK's question. But I do like commas around names or interjections, such as "And oh boy, oh boy, can that boy fox-trot?" It may be as simple as, that's the way I was taught.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 03:41:17 PM
Sunday afternoon greetings!  We are back from Lima after a long day.  There was a vestry meeting after church and I was hoping to sit in Richard's office and read while he was in the meeting.  No, the wife of one committee member and the mother of another were also waiting and wanted to visit.  Then we paid a nursing home call and had a quick sandwich at the new Arby's.  Didn't get home until about 4:30.


I like Arby's food.


Doesn't Maggie Smith work in the Downtown Arby's?     [not my joke, though I wish it were]


Te he he!
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 03:42:52 PM
I like the sounds of that high school "Sweeney," Vixmom. I'm wondering if one of those two stars you mentioned was the driving force in making it that elaborate or if their quality caused the people working on it to put in the extra effort.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 03:44:22 PM
EXITS DRAMATICALLY
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 03:46:23 PM
and THAT's how it's done, Hija!!
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 03:50:49 PM
I am watching this PBS program, CELTIC WOMEN (it was that or Paid Programming).  One of the Celtic women started singing "I Dreamed A Dream" and everybody in the audience started applauding.  Why do audiences do that?  It is hardly a Celtic greatest hit.  Are they just happy that they finally heard a song that they knew?
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 03:53:26 PM
Watching the "Flame and the Arrow" with Burt Lancaster. It's yet another of those movies where he seems more interested in his male co-stars than in Virginia Mayo.

 


And he is much more interested in himself than he is in his male co-stars.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 03:58:05 PM
My hunch is that many here would actually like Adele quite a bit.  As I mentioned in my review of her Royal Albert Hall show, she's refreshingly unaffected.  A lot of her show was just her with a piano accompanist.  No strobe lights, no dancing. just a woman standing there singing.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 04:07:12 PM
Now some of the media is saying that Whitney Houston may have drowned in the bathtub.  She had apparently combined a lot of alcohol with a lot of Xanax.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 04:07:39 PM
I listened to some Adele samples -her song Rumor Has It  is one of our Zumba routine songs.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 04:08:07 PM
My hunch is that many here would actually like Adele quite a bit.  As I mentioned in my review of her Royal Albert Hall show, she's refreshingly unaffected.  A lot of her show was just her with a piano accompanist.  No strobe lights, no dancing. just a woman standing there singing.

Where's the fun in that?  Signed Madonna.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 04:10:58 PM
I think I will skip the Grammy Awards tonight - although I am not a regular viewer.....I am not up with the times and don't know many of the nominees - or winners who usually makes jackasses of themselves when saying thanks.....

Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 04:11:53 PM
My hunch is that many here would actually like Adele quite a bit.  As I mentioned in my review of her Royal Albert Hall show, she's refreshingly unaffected.  A lot of her show was just her with a piano accompanist.  No strobe lights, no dancing. just a woman standing there singing.

OK, you convinced me.  She is very generous with her music.  Often websites only offer a sampling of songs to listen to.  Adele gives you multiple videos. http://www.adele.tv/videos/
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: FJL on February 12, 2012, 04:13:46 PM
My hunch is that many here would actually like Adele quite a bit.  As I mentioned in my review of her Royal Albert Hall show, she's refreshingly unaffected.  A lot of her show was just her with a piano accompanist.  No strobe lights, no dancing. just a woman standing there singing.

Where's the fun in that?  Signed Madonna.


What is this, Datalounge?  :)  :)
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: elmore3003 on February 12, 2012, 04:39:25 PM
I think I will skip the Grammy Awards tonight - although I am not a regular viewer.....I am not up with the times and don't know many of the nominees - or winners who usually makes jackasses of themselves when saying thanks.....



I'm a Grammy voter and I don't care!
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 04:42:29 PM
DR ELMORE I hope you voted for Annette.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 04:42:44 PM
My hunch is that many here would actually like Adele quite a bit.  As I mentioned in my review of her Royal Albert Hall show, she's refreshingly unaffected.  A lot of her show was just her with a piano accompanist.  No strobe lights, no dancing. just a woman standing there singing.

Where's the fun in that?  Signed Madonna.


What is this, Datalounge?  :)  :)

I hope NOT.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jrand74 on February 12, 2012, 04:43:35 PM
I think I will watch COLUMBO and then THE INVISIBLE MAN - an episode of the late 50's English series - on Me TV.

Followed by THRILLER.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 04:45:46 PM
Watching the "Flame and the Arrow" with Burt Lancaster. It's yet another of those movies where he seems more interested in his male co-stars than in Virginia Mayo.

 


And he is much more interested in himself than he is in his male co-stars.

True.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: JMK on February 12, 2012, 04:49:08 PM
Oy, all the major news networks have their own Whitney Houston graphics and themes now.  I have the sound off but have the tv on waiting for something interesting to come on.  I bet the ratings for the Grammys are huge.  Jennifer Hudson is doing "I Will Always Love You."
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: elmore3003 on February 12, 2012, 04:55:25 PM
DR ELMORE I hope you voted for Annette.

And Lindbergh!
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: elmore3003 on February 12, 2012, 04:55:34 PM
And Dewey!
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 04:59:18 PM
Watching the "Flame and the Arrow" with Burt Lancaster. It's yet another of those movies where he seems more interested in his male co-stars than in Virginia Mayo.

Will think about how to phrase my answer to BK's question. But I do like commas around names or interjections, such as "And oh boy, oh boy, can that boy fox-trot?" It may be as simple as, that's the way I was taught.

See, I understand the commas in the Sondheim lyric - those make sense to me on every level.  Commas around names - most of the time I do it or if that's a fix I'll do it.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 05:00:09 PM
Dinner soon.  They fed us earlier, but it was eleven in the morning and I couldn't see eating pasta, which everyone else was doing.  I ate a small salad.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 05:00:41 PM
Tonight is a new jernt called Federal.  It's across from the El Portal Theatre. 
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 05:34:22 PM
One last posting, with a two-part comment, from me on commas around exclamations.

I grew up reading that way, so I like it like that. Very conservative of me, I know.

The other is the difference between the following two phrases:

Let's eat, Grandma

Let's eat Grandma.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 05:36:13 PM
I've put on Murder on the Orient Express for the evening's entertainment. Haven't seen it in ages. Teh credits sequence has me happy with the music of Richard Rodney Bennett.

Now, a little rest while watching.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Vixter09 on February 12, 2012, 05:53:25 PM
EXITS DRAMATICALLY

I reject your exit and place this in response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jennifer on February 12, 2012, 05:59:38 PM
I hope DR Jennifer is not freezing while playing at the festival.
         I thought I mentioned That I didn't go. My sis would not let my niece go.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jennifer on February 12, 2012, 06:02:05 PM
As someone who reads aa lot I really really hate finding errors in the books I read. I personally don' care about commas or who/whom. But I really dislike finding typos or things like that.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jennifer on February 12, 2012, 06:11:37 PM
My mom took out Adele's concert from the library and loved it.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jennifer on February 12, 2012, 06:13:00 PM
As for BK's comma example I really did NOT like the one with the commas.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jennifer on February 12, 2012, 06:13:55 PM
My nose has been running today. Probably from the cold.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: TCB on February 12, 2012, 06:45:59 PM
One last posting, with a two-part comment, from me on commas around exclamations.

I grew up reading that way, so I like it like that. Very conservative of me, I know.

The other is the difference between the following two phrases:

Let's eat, Grandma

Let's eat Grandma.

You are correct.  The second one sounds much better.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: Jane on February 12, 2012, 07:02:46 PM
I hope DR Jennifer is not freezing while playing at the festival.
         I thought I mentioned That I didn't go. My sis would not let my niece go.

I knew you didn't want to go.  When you disappeared I thought you had gone.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 07:16:19 PM
watching Downtown Arby
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 07:16:58 PM
SPOILER






oh my










END SPOILER
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: vixmom on February 12, 2012, 07:19:22 PM
This discussion today reminds me of that book that was making the rounds a couple of years ago

Eats, Shoots and Leaves
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 08:01:53 PM
One last posting, with a two-part comment, from me on commas around exclamations.

I grew up reading that way, so I like it like that. Very conservative of me, I know.

The other is the difference between the following two phrases:

Let's eat, Grandma

Let's eat Grandma.

Obviously one needs the comma before Grandma - understood.  In the sentence above, however, the comma after two-part comment totally takes me out of the sentence.  Apples and oranges, I suspect.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 08:03:52 PM
The Federal is a weird place.  I had three appetizers - pulled pork, which was not too good, mac-and-cheese, which was "smoky" and therefore not much to my liking, and a grilled artichoke, which was great (and a great dipping sauce for it).  The winner was dessert - peanut butter pie.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: John G. on February 12, 2012, 09:03:09 PM
Night, all. I will be dreaming of peanut butter pie. And the same sweet dreams to the rest of you.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: bk on February 12, 2012, 09:57:07 PM
Finished with my viewing.
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: George on February 12, 2012, 10:53:50 PM
I only stayed for Betsy's 5 o'clock show, JR, and she did fine.  She was a little nervous, which probably only I realized and therefore had a tendency to say "you know," which I've never heard her do before under any circumstances, but other than that, she got some nice laughs and people seemed to really enjoy her.  Her biggest laugh always tends to be one of the jokes I gave her (naturally ;) ).  She does a routine about GPS and talks about how the voices are always female.  She then says if the unit had a male voice, you'd stick in the address and it would say dismissively, "Yeah, I know where that is."  ;)

That's funny!
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: George on February 12, 2012, 10:54:22 PM
The real estate lady got here at three.  She really only glanced at things to ascertain that everything was in good repair - she was very impressed with how clean I keep everything.  I showed her the window with the rotting wood so she can report back that that really needs attending to very soon (I'm told they're working on it).  But the best news was that they have no intention of selling for the reasons I stated yesterday.  So, I think I can stay put here for at least a few more years.

Very good news, BK!
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: George on February 12, 2012, 11:14:44 PM
I have always found the title of the book FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS to be beautiful.

Evidence has been found that William Tell and his family were avid bowlers. However, all the league records were unfortunately destroyed in a fire. Thus we'll never know for whom the Tells bowled.

;D
Title: Re: WHO/WHOM
Post by: George on February 12, 2012, 11:56:18 PM
Here's something that I just found on Facebook. ;D