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Title: THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 12:00:19 AM

Well, you've read the brief notes, you've briefed yourself on the brief notes and now that you are briefed it is time to post until the cows come home.  To it, I say.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Tomovoz on June 26, 2004, 12:19:07 AM

By coincidence I was discussing a few hours ago my dislike of "Sweet Charity". I have not seen the show but I prefer the score of "The Life".
From charity I do like "Where Am I going?".

I certainly enjoy the Randy Graff Cd of the Coleman songs. I am also fond of a Peggy Lee album I have of Coleman songs.
Of the non show songs "Firefly","Witchcraft" and "the Best Is Yet To Come" are favourites and I also like "Doodlin' Song" a lot.
The show I  know the least of - just never play it - is " The Will Rogers Follies".My favourite Coleman score is "Barnum".

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Panni on June 26, 2004, 12:29:43 AM

I'm just posting to say hello because I wasn't home to post -- but now I am. That's about it. G'night.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 12:51:05 AM

I'm going to have to counter Tomovoz here, because I love much of the Sweet Charity score.  I think he had a great writing partner in Dorothy Fields.  "Big Spender," "There's Gotta Be Something Better than This," "The Rhythm of Life," "Where Am I Going?" and "I'm a Brass Band" are all great songs.  And "Pink Taffeta Sample Size 10" has grown on me.  A lot.

From Seesaw, I'll go for "Nobody Does It Like Me," "Welcome to Holiday Inn," "He's Good For Me," "It's Not Where You Start," and "I'm Way Ahead."

That's two shows.  I'll leave the rest to everyone else (no sense in hogging everything Coleman has done).

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 12:52:55 AM

I must wuss.  There's shopping for ingredients to do tomorrow...uh, today.  So many dishes, so little time.  Whatever.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Tomovoz on June 26, 2004, 01:00:00 AM

I suspect it was the film that turned me off "Sweet Charity" - especially "The Rhythm Of Life" and "I'm A Brass Band".

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 01:24:42 AM

Favourite Cy Coleman song:  You Fascinate Me So!

From last night:  Noel, Equity...like any union...many not be perfect and may have its problems, but most talent unions problems these days stem from a non-union atmosphere, conglomerates buying conglomerates and only looking at the bottom line and quarterly financial report, and, in the case of film, paying stars outrageous prices and lowballing everybody else. (This probably happens in non-union stage tours too...Let's go non-union so we can pay John Davidson or Barry Williams some outrageous weekly fee.)

The middle-class actor, writer, director, composer...just like the middle class everywhere...is slowly being squeezed out of existence by this concerted effort to break the unions or make them ineffectual.  And all it will mean in the end is that some CEO will be taking home 10-50 mill a year and all the underlings below will get screwed.  It will also mean shorter careers for everybody.  I've had over a twenty year career in my line.  If things continue the way they're progressing in this anti-union climate, those coming after me will be lucky to get fifteen or ten.  Ten years ain't a career in anything.  You can't support a family or buy a house with that sort of limited future staring you in the face.

But, Hell, we're in the Arts.  One can be out of work for six months in our business and it have nothing to do with the Unions.  It's just the whimsey and risk of the business we're in.  Get used to it, make provisions for it, expect it at sometime or another, and get over it...or find another line of work.  

So, yeah, Asian actors may not be able to get enough Union work.  But that's not the Union's job or fault.  Chances are Asian actors are always going to have problems getting consistent work, despite so-called colour-blind casting, simply because of the prejudices inherent in hiring practices and commercial considerations, and, sorry, but because of rigid audience expectations and acceptance (or non-acceptance...a bunch of Nebraska tourists coming to see them there New York shows aren't likely to pick ones about Asians or Blacks or Homosexuals...they'll go see some Disney or Lloyd Webber tripe).

But actors who think that leaving the union will allow them to work more for more money are being very short-sighted and foolish.  It may allow them to work more in the short-term, but not the long-term.  And certainly not for better wages. It will not assure them of safe and better working conditions. It will not give them even a hope of health care or a pension plan (and thanks to Mr. Bush and his big business regime and slimy insurance companies and greedy HMOs, all Unions are getting hit in their health care plans...WGA's health care only a few short years ago was superb...it's still better than most, but it's taken some bad hits...and at least we've still got one which a non-union writing gig won't give you).  

And when their short-term careers are over, what will these actors do then?  As a member of Equity, Sag, Aftra, WGA, and the Dramatists Guild, the only way any talent can have a long-term sustaining career in any of these disciplines and make a decent living wage with some chance at benefits is to be in the Union.

I'm so tired of actors who can't get work, blaming their unions because they can't get past an audition (The same with writers who can't get a gig...no one ever thinks it might just be because they aren't that good  It's always got to be someone else's fault that they can't cut the mustard.  Hey!  It's show biz!  No one said it was going to be fair and that everyone gets a chance.)

Unfortunately, too many people in creative careers expect their Union or Guild to be a hiring hall for them.  Not the idea.  They're not there to get you work.  You have to rely on your talent for that.  But once you do get work, they'll you some protection and decent working conditions that you'd have no guarantee of working non-union.

Okay, so it doesn't work the way it should all the time, but just because some touring show paid a cast (and probably only the stars, not all the cast) better than when they worked under Equity, I bet nothing was getting put into a pension fund or going for health coverage of any kind.  And it won't happen every time out.

And if/or when non-Union tours break the Unions, then they'll start paying Wal-mart wages, giving you longer hours, and no rehearsal play.

I know when I was working in Equity dinner theatres, I didn't have to wait tables and fetch drinks for customers during intermission like my fellows did in Non-equity dinner theatre.  I was an actor; not a waiter who acted when he wasn't fetching and carrying for the audience.

When I played a small role in the Ahmanson in 1980, I was making 750 dollars a week, had my own dressing-room, and had my health insurance covered for six months.  Pretty good I thought.

Now if you want to talk about how IATSE featherbeds and undermines their Union and jacks up the expenses on a production with unnecessary workers and not allowing an actor to move a chair in rehearsal, then I'll agree with you.  But the gains for most creative talent don't go into such wasteful extremes and are fair and reasonable.

Having served on the Board of the WGA for four years, I can tell you most bitches and whines about the union come from talentless losers who can't get a job or from employers or people who can't get into the union but want to be in it.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Michael on June 26, 2004, 05:33:20 AM

Wildcat: Hey Look Me Over

Little Me: On the Other Side of the Tracks. Be a Performer

Sweet Charity: Where Am I Going? The Rhythmn of Life

See Saw: Welcome to the Holiday Inn

I Love My Wife: Hey There Good Times

On the 20th Century: Our Private World (My Favorite of his songs)

Barnum: The Museum Song

City of Angel: With Every Breath I Take (Always felt that this song should be better known)

Will  Rodgers Follies: None. My least favorite of his shows

The Life: You are My Only Friend

and
13 Weeks To Broadway: You There In The Backrow

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jrand73 on June 26, 2004, 05:45:15 AM

Cy Coleman....I like so much of his work.  But I will choose a song that has already been chosen:

HEY LOOK ME OVER! from Wildcat

and add, from CITY OF ANGELS:

WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT WOMEN
YOU'RE NOTHING WITHOUT ME
YOU CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON ME....

MR BK....please check out celebrity fashions today and give us the rundown....hopefully Carol Lynley has gotten something new besides that gold sweater!  And look for Miss Carroll Baker....nothing livens up the Collectors Show like rock 'em sock 'em Harlows!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Matt H. on June 26, 2004, 05:53:50 AM

Absolutely favorite Cy Coleman song of all-time:

"Lost and FOund" from CITY OF ANGELS


But I think SWEET CHARITY is his BEST score. I think it's the first Broadway show I saw that wasn't this huge spectacle (and I love HUGE Broadway shows like MAME), but Fosse seemed to strip it to essentials - great star, powerful singer/dancers, a catchy and rhythmic score. Things like flashy costumes and elaborate scenery just weren't that important. The show was still electrifying and at the end, supremely poignant.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Matt H. on June 26, 2004, 05:58:02 AM

Charles Pogue's mentioning of MISS SAIGON yesterday had me nodding in agreement. I think it is THE worst Broadway smash hit ever. Some day, I'm going to see the show done on an intimate scale as befits it slender story and maybe I might like it a little better. But I walked out of the Broadway Theater wanting my money back, and that hasn't hapenned to me too many times in my adult life. (AIDA comes closest followed by RENT.)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Matt H. on June 26, 2004, 06:39:55 AM

Hopefully today I'm going to try to make it out to a theater to see HARRY POTTER. Back later with views on it.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Noel on June 26, 2004, 07:14:25 AM

I agree with Matt H. that Sweet Charity is, by far,  Cy Coleman's best show and that the worst "hit" show I ever saw on Broadway was Miss Saigon (which, thank God, Coleman had nothing to do with).

My favorite Coleman is probably I Walk a Little Faster (not from a show)

I'm also fond of
Real Live Girl (Little Me)
If My Friends Could See Me Now (Sweet Charity)
There's Gotta Be Something Better Than This (Sweet Charity)
You There In the Back Row (13 Days to Broadway)
When In Rome, I Do As the Romans Do (not from a show)
the overture to On the 20th Century
Pass Me By (Father Goose)
Where Am I Going (Sweet Charity)
The Rhythm of Life (Sweet Charity)

In context, in City of Angels, the haunting With Every Breath I Take is a throwaway, makes no impression at all.  Out of context, it's a very fine song.

Joy said to me this week "all kinds of music is pouring out of you" (an I'm a Brass Band reference)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on June 26, 2004, 07:19:56 AM

There are loads of Cy Coleman favorites. Here are five:

Little Me: I've Got Your Number.

The Life: We Had a Dream.

On the Twentieth Century: Our Private World (especially Sally Mayes' version).

Sweet Charity: Where Am I Going?

Seesaw: I'm Way Ahead.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on June 26, 2004, 07:22:21 AM

Noel, I have to agree with you about the overture to On The Twentieth Century. I think Little Me's overture is equally good.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Noel on June 26, 2004, 07:40:00 AM

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 01:24:42 AM

Equity...like any union...many not be perfect and may have its problems, but most talent unions problems these days stem from a non-union atmosphere,

My guess - and it's just a guess - is that you're applying stuff that's true of the Writers Guild to Actors Equity.  These unions are hardly comparable.  (I must admit someone close to me, at the time, was president of WGA many years ago.)  WGA doesn't go around disparaging non-union screenplays.  They trust that talent will out.  AEA does all sorts of things that ensure that fewer shows will be produced and therefore fewer of its members will find work.

A non-Equity and an Equity show could employ the same number of actors at the same salary and the Equity show might still have quadruple the budget.  You have to pay an Equity member extra if you want him to wear his own shoes.  A long-running hit like The Donkey Show couldn't have made a profit using Equity performers.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Noel on June 26, 2004, 07:45:48 AM

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 01:24:42 AM

But actors who think that leaving the union will allow them to work more for more money are being very short-sighted and foolish.  It may allow them to work more in the short-term, but not the long-term.  And certainly not for better wages.

I don't want to use a phrase like "You don't know what you're talking about" but in last night's post I described a man who is earning less money, now, for playing the same (lead) role in an Equity production than he did several years ago in the non-Equity production.

The actors who played the Engineer and Kim in Miss Saigon were neither short-sighted nor foolish.  They carefully weighed their decision, examining the financial picture, and saw that they'd earn more bucks, more frequently, if they gave up their Equity memberships.

I certainly hope they're putting away money for their pensions, though.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 07:48:11 AM

Lots of great Coleman choices here.  I'm very fond of a song Peggy Lee introduced (I think) called Then was Then, Now is Now - really pretty.  I also like his song from The Heartbreak Kid, which isn't well-known.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Matt H. on June 26, 2004, 07:51:06 AM

I do love the score to ON THE TWENTIETH CENTURY in the context of the show. I find I don't play the cast CD all that much. I much more often play SWEET CHARITY, LITTLE ME, and CITY OF ANGELS.

I would still one day like to hear the score to WELCOME TO THE CLUB. I know the show was ghastly, but others have said the score had some very good songs in it.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Noel on June 26, 2004, 07:55:10 AM

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 01:24:42 AM

I'm so tired of actors who can't get work, blaming their unions because they can't get past an audition

Hey, we agree!  I'm tired of that too.  And am glad nobody's blaming their union here.

As an auditioning actor, it's much much better to be a member of Actors Equity.  Many shows have union casting calls, attended by the director, producer and casting people.  And then they have a non-union casting call, attended by some assistant to the assistant to the casting person and that's it.

So, you have to conclude it helps to be an Equity member at try-outs.  Oh, and one also might logically conclude that through this system, sometimes the best person doesn't get the role.  If the best person happens to be non-Equity, chances are the best Equity person gets the role.  So the audiences suffers.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 07:55:58 AM

I'm up bright and early this morning, aren't I?  I've already shaved, figured out my pricing sheet and printed it out, got my cashbox and I'm rarin' to go.  Or, as Irving Berlin might have written:

Got my cashbox
Got my stuff
Books and photos
I'll sell enough
To have the cash in the morning
And the cash at night

DVDs and
Some CDs, too
Pay enough
I'll go home with you
I've got the cash in the morning
And the cash at night

I'll be
Sitting there all day long
Singing
This rather stupid song

Buy a photo
Buy a book
Or just come by
And take a look
And I'll have cash in the morning
And I'll have cash at night
And with some cash in the morning
And some cash in the evening
I'm all right.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Noel on June 26, 2004, 08:01:15 AM

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 01:24:42 AM

When I played a small role in the Ahmanson in 1980, I was making 750 dollars a week, had my own dressing-room, and had my health insurance covered for six months.  Pretty good I thought.

If you were playing a small role in the Ahmanson today you'd be earning $27 more a week, not have your own dressing room, and no health insurance unless you worked a certain number of weeks.  It's been 24 years.  Do you still think that's pretty good?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 08:12:14 AM

Not sure about anything other than he'd have his own dressing room if it was a small enough cast to do so.  The Center Theater Group has always been great about that and it has nothing to do with the union at all.  I have had my own beef with Equity's inability to bend or be helpful, in terms of cast albums - in fact, until I (and a couple of others who joined in after) finally made a big enough stink, it was a prime reason why some Broadway shows went unrecorded.  I feel the same about the AFM - they do not do their members a service when their management behaves like some hit squad (I'm speaking of NY here - LA management has always been helpful).

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 08:18:57 AM

More on the AFM - although I receive no credit for this (nor was I alone in the fight, but I was REALLY vocal) - it is no secret that when I did the first two years' worth of CDs we did them non-union, and our union musicians did them because they loved doing the sessions, the work was steady and the pay was decent.  No prob in LA, but in NY they hounded us like mad.  But it was never "How can we get you to do these union - how can we work together".  It was always let's bust these guys and then brag about it in our newsletter.  It was disgusting.  They had a low budget album plan but the main part of that plan made no sense and that is all I was asking them to change - the number of CDs sold that constituted low budget.  The rates were okay - because when you added the pension and welfare and such, it basically came out to what we were paying anyway - but if you sold over a certain amount then you had to pony up the rest of the dough.  The certain amount was way too low and one couldn't recoup.  I finally had a conversation with the head of the union and said I would NEVER record in NY again if they didn't change the number of CDs.  My musicians also raised a big stink, and they finally changed the number of CDs you could sell to a much more reasonable number - and yes, it was all their idea to "help" their members.  It only took me two years to have "their" idea implemented.  And guess what?  People who were doing non-union sessions suddenly started taking advangtage of the low budget scale album rates.  Including me.  

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on June 26, 2004, 08:19:50 AM

BK - Hope you get loads of cash in the morning and cash at night. Looks like you'll be in good company - Betsy Palmer, Ann Jeffreys, Heidi Fleiss, Marilyn Chambers, Tommy Sands, and Lee Meriwether. Lee Meriwether was at the Stratford Festival recently for the opening of her husband Marshall Borden's play (Count of Monte Cristo). Her photo was in the paper, and she looks more beautiful than ever.

http://www.hollywoodcollectorshow.com/garlan.htm

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Panni on June 26, 2004, 08:35:39 AM

Good morning. Merde to bk at the Collectors Showcase. I could do that as a haiku, I guess. but I won't.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Panni on June 26, 2004, 08:40:33 AM

Must go and shower - but saw FAHRENHEIT 9/11 last night. Very powerful. More later. I've never seen an audience as electrified. The applause at the end of the film went on - strongly - for a good three minutes or more. And this was just a regular showing. Every showing at the multiplex I attended was sold out -- they added two more screenings - one around midnight - and there was a huge line-up for that one when we came out. I believe the film will be Number 1 at the box office for the weekend . Unprecedented for a documentary.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 08:53:16 AM

For anyone out there who isn't sure who Cy Coleman is, I've found a link to his bio (and discography and on and on) at the Songwriter's Hall of Fame. (http://www.songwritershalloffame.org/exhibit_home_page.asp?exhibitId=6)

He's an interesting performer in his own right.  Or is that in his own wright?  He guests on An Evening with Dorothy Fields, and I'd tell you what songs he sings with his lyricist/friend but der Brucer has so bolluxed the filing for our CD collection that I can't find it, damn it.  

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: William E. Lurie on June 26, 2004, 08:54:48 AM

I have not yet heard from anyone who pledged $10 towards the $50 Pulitzer Prize submission fee for KRITZER TIME.  If I absolutely have to I'll pay it all myself, but the original idea was that other DRs would contribute.  Please e-mail me and I will let you know where to send it.

BK - Did they have the rain curtain at the end of 110?  I first saw this show with most of the originasl cast in Chicago.  The curtain looked awful from the 2nd balcony.  Unless the show plays in a one level theatre where it looks okay, this effect is almost laughable and ends an otherwise great show on a silly effect aimed strictly at the top-priced seats.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 08:57:41 AM

Over the years, I've heard dozens (at least) of complaints from actors that it's "impossible" to get into the union if you aren't in a show, and that it's "impossible" to get in a show if you aren't in the union.  

Just how true is that?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: MBarnum on June 26, 2004, 09:29:02 AM

Back from my "MBarnum does Portland" trip! Actually I was back late last night, but am just now posting about it all the fun!

On my way up to the land of Port I stopped at Fry's to pick up a copy of High School Confidential...they were sold out. But I did find Sunset Blvd for $9.99 so I picked it up (believe it or not I hadn't purchased that film yet!).

Lunch with Mr. Rhodes Reason was a blast! We met at Sout Park Grill downtown and started off with martinis. I orderd the Butternut Squash Ravioli which was quite tasty! Yum! Rhodes' wife Jeri joined us briefly during her lunch hour (she works down the street at the Portland Art Museum) and she is an absolute delight! And just downright beautiful!! Of course I had met her before, but it was great to see her again.

We ate and drank coffee and talked for 3 1/2 hours! I just had a blast and Mr. Reason seemed to enjoy it as well! He has so many stories and he has worked with so many people! I would just name someone and usually knew them! He has a great memory!

We plan on getting together again in the near future! And I am very much looking forward to it!

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]RR in Voodoo Island[/move]

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: MBarnum on June 26, 2004, 09:47:12 AM

After lunch I went to Powell's Bookstore (largest bookstore in the Northwest) and picked up a few items...some greating cards and a Raggedy Ann and Andy book for my grand-niece.

Then I decided to fill my tummy with food before the movie and I came across an Indian restaurant named Swagat. I had Lamb pasdon (I think that is what it was called). It was wonderful! Then on to Cinema 21 where I viewed GOJIRA...

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]WARNING RANT AHEAD![/move]

I was very excited to finally get to see the origina sub-titled 1954 film Gojira...but I tell you there should be a law!!!!

The theater was fairly full, which was wonderful...but there were certain audience members who seemed to think that they were here to view a Mystery Science Theater 3000! Now keep in mind that Gojira is quite unlike most of the later Godzilla films. Gojira is a very dark, serious film. Unfortunately these particular audience members have no understanding that a 50 year old Japanse film is going to have a different acting style and less sophisticated special effects then what you would see in a 2004 CGI extravaganza! So, much to my irritation, these people (and there were several of them...but one particular lady who was very loud) would laugh whenever Godzilla would show up or everytime a character would start to emote, or just about anytime that leading lady Momoko Kochi was on screen (which I didn't understand at all).

I came very close to leaving about half-way through the film as I was finding this lack of maturity to really make it difficult for me to get into the proper (for me) mood for the film. And it was impossible to block these people out.

Maybe I am just different when I watch a film, but I really like to become absorbed by the atmosphere and the feelings of the characters and the plot. I am quite able to suspend my disbelief and really believe what is going on on screen (even if it includes model ships and airplanes battling a man in a rubber suit) and it just bugs the heck out of me when others can't do the same.

Sure there are some films like Plan 9 from Outer Space or Manos Hands of Fate or Queen of Outer Space that you would watch and snicker, even in a movie theater, but Gojira is not that type of film.

I have come across this almost everytime I have been to a classic movie showing in a theater and it really irks me.

Ok, end of rant!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: MBarnum on June 26, 2004, 09:47:22 AM

On the positive side there were two very young children in the audience, maybe about 3 or 4 years old, who loved the movie, and Godzilla was all they could talk about on the way out of the theater! Future Godzilla fans I am thinking! LOL

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: MBarnum on June 26, 2004, 09:48:22 AM

I guess I am a posting frenzy this morning! Must be the coffee! LOL!

Jose, do you have any Matt Battaglia for me yet??? (can you tell I am eager!!)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 09:49:55 AM

Noel, I do know what I'm talking about...A Union is only as strong as its membership.  It's negotiation prowess is only as strong as its membership.  If your membership is too weak, too scared, or unwilling to sacrifice for gains, the union is at its mercy.  

And for the past twenty years we have been living in an environment of vehement anti-unionism. I've seen it from the perspective of all the unions I belong to.  As I said, your acting friends, who are feeling flush right now, will find out they won't be able to have a long-term, well-paying careers as a non-union actor.  It is people who abandon their union and don't stand up for it that weaken it and make it vulnerable.  I've seen the same kind of current cowardice in WGA.  Where people are unwilling to sacrifice for the common good of all...not realizing that if they don't, they will only ultiimately make their working conditions worse and not be able to pursue their art on a full-time working basis.  

People didn't understand that during the Actors' commercial strike, those people were fighting for the very existence of their livelihood.  If they hadn't stayed out, no one would be able to make a living as a commercial actor anymore.  It would have become the sometime, occasional job of dilletantes and amateurs.

You've hears of BK talk about green envelopes...residuals and revenue from our work.  I still get checks from two-line role I did in a movie back in 1974.  As an Equity actor, I always made a good living wage, was paid my travel money, kept medically insured, had proscribed working hours and conditions...I don't know what current rate you quoted, but remember I was out here at the Ahmanson Theatre...not touring, not on Broadway.  Even though I've not acted in 20 years, I keep all my union cards active, pay my dues, and have not taken withdrawal from any of them, because I'm proud to be a member of all of them.

I think the following from BACKSTAGE WEST on the current Equity negotiations with Broadway Producers is very telling:  

"Broadway producers are breaking with past paractices and licensing first national touring rights to non-Equity producers.  Union-unfriendly corporations such as Clear Channel actively encourage this trend.  They control a growing number of the premier venues in the major markets and can exclude Equity productions at will by arbitrarily lowering weekly box office guarantees."

Ah...Big Business again!  The far-right media conglomerate Clear Channel reaching out its tentacles to squeeze the worker drones in the quest for more profit margin.  Clear Channel who has given us extremist conservative clowns like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity.   You want a bad guy look to corps like Clear Channel...or more closer to home, look to the membership of a guild who, in their own immediate self-interest and greed, can't see the long-term and weaken any Union's strength because they are not willing to fight and sacrifice for what is right, fair, and just.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 09:58:22 AM

An adendum to my post above.  If I were still acting, I'd much prefer to trust my theatrical future and destiny to Equity over Clear Channel any day.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Sandra on June 26, 2004, 10:50:41 AM

I am still out of Cherry Coke. It has now been more than 24 hours and I am about to do something drastic.

In other news, I don't know much from Cy Coleman.

That's about it, unless you want another rant. I feel one coming on (and not about Cherry Coke).

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 10:56:08 AM

Good Afternoon!

So far, a nice, relaxing Saturday morning...  I stayed in bed listening to NPR, The Car Guys, and some Big Band jazz.  Then a nice big bowl of cereal, and some "Trading Spaces", etc.

And I guess I'm currently sucked back into watching "Drumline" on Cinemax... again.  -Well, I did play alto sax in my high school marching band, so...  It's basically the only thing on right that's not too distracting.

-Oh, the rain finally did come down here last night during the night, quite a nice gentle downpour - as gentle as a downpour can be.

As for Cy Coleman songs...

Ditto! ;)

But I'm especially fond of "You There in the Back Row", "Our Private World", "Never", "There's Gotta Be Something Better Than This", and few others I know I'm forgetting right now.  Unfortunately, due to some horrendous audition renditions, I am no longer a fan of "You Can Always Count On Me," "Nobody Does It Like Me," and "Lost and Found" (which is one song I really do still do like on a lot of levels, but if someone puts it in front of me at an audition...).  Oh, and "Big Spender" too.

From a pianist's point of view - well, actually an audition pianists's point of view - I'm continually amazed at just how jazzy Cy Coleman is.  Just how much a jazz composer he really is.  And since he really is a jazz pianist and a jazz composer...  Even in Barnum with it's circus-music flavor, the harmonies - especially in the up-tempo songs - are very intricate, "slippery" at times.  It's amazing how just one mis-placed finger, or one omitted note can affect the "sound" at times.  But it's fascinating to follow all the "movement" in his music, nonetheless.

And I still remember my first time reading through City of Angels... WOW!  And, of course, Sweet Charity too!  Btw, I like the music from both of those shows better than I like the shows themselves.  I know that Neil Simon has been tweaking the book for the upcoming revival of Sweet Charity... We shall see...

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 11:01:44 AM

DR MBarnum - Glad to know you had a great time in Portand.  When my father was stationed at the Coast Guard base in Port Angeles and Seattle, WA, we would head down to Portland a few times a year - at least for the Rose Festival - ??  -I really do need to get back to the Pacific Northwest now that I'm old enough to really appreciate everything.

As for Mr. Battaglia - if my sources are right, as DR MattH pointed out in a previous post, it seems that Mr. Battaglia's story line will be ending with this Sunday's episode.  So, if this is the case, you should have three episodes on their way to you on Monday.  If not, you'll still have three episodes on their way to you. :)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 11:03:56 AM

Quote from: MBarnum on June 26, 2004, 09:48:22 AM

Jose, do you have any Matt Battaglia for me yet??? (can you tell I am eager!!)

Hmmm... that one is toooooo easy.  Too bad, DR TCB is having computer issues... ;)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 11:26:20 AM

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 09:49:55 AM

...Ah...Big Business again!  The far-right media conglomerate Clear Channel reaching out its tentacles to squeeze the worker drones in the quest for more profit margin.  Clear Channel who has given us extremist conservative clowns like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity.   You want a bad guy look to corps like Clear Channel...or more closer to home, look to the membership of a guild who, in their own immediate self-interest and greed, can't see the long-term and weaken any Union's strength because they are not willing to fight and sacrifice for what is right, fair, and just.

Just as a point of clarification, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity are not actors.  They are news commentators.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Noel on June 26, 2004, 11:26:33 AM

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 09:49:55 AM

A Union is only as strong as its membership.  It's negotiation prowess is only as strong as its membership.  If your membership is too weak, too scared, or unwilling to sacrifice for gains, the union is at its mercy.  

And for the past twenty years we have been living in an environment of vehement anti-unionism. I've seen it from the perspective of all the unions I belong to.

There's nothing in the above I disagree with, Charles.

But there's plenty in your posts that would seem to indicate you're not familiar with the current state of affairs with Actors Equity.

The troubles it's having have nothing to do with a lack of solidarity.  Sure, some people quit the union, as happens with every union.  But AEA membership is not weak, nor scared, nor unwilling to sacrifice for gains.

If Union leadership had more faith that Equity actors actually produce a better product, they wouldn't spend so much time bad-mouthing non-Equity theatre.  Last night you urged the DRs, in block lettering, to avoid attending non-union shows.   I'm wondering why you did this.  Some DRs live in parts of the country where the non-Equity show isn't just the best show, it's the only game in town.  And, sometimes, as I've just implied, the non-Eq show is better than the Equity production.  So, it wasn't for the good of the dear readership that you urged them to eschew non-union entertainment.

Perhaps I was too cryptic in the salary I quoted.  You said you earned $750 per week at the Ahmanson in 1980 playing a small role and had your own dressing room and health benefits.  I'm telling you that if you played a small role at the Ahmanson today (June, 2004) you'd be earning $777 and wouldn't have your own dressing room.  Health benefits kick in only if you work a certain number of weeks a year, so, playing just the Ahmanson wouldn't do it.

Finally, you mention Clear Channel, O'Reilly and Hannity and I hate all of them.  So, I guess I'm supposed to like Equity because Clear Channel hates them and I hate Clear Channel.  Actually, my hatred of Bill O'Reilly is even stronger.  Wait - what does any of this hatred have to do with the Equity question?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Ann on June 26, 2004, 11:33:17 AM

Good morning all!

Well, the weather predicted clouds for this weekend...I'm no expert here, but looking out my window, I could swear that's a blue sky.  Maybe the clouds are blue? :)
Nothing cheers me up like a sunny day, even if it doesn't last all day, so I'm in a good mood right now.

Jose - you lived in Port Angeles?  My mother was born and raised there.  I spent a great deal of time in that town until my grandmother died in...92, I think.  

TOTD - Not familiar with a great deal of Cy Coleman's stuff.  DR Jed introduced me to City Of Angels, however, and I just love it.  Also "Big Spender" is a favorite.  Jose, you're so right about his stuff being jazzy!  The vocals in COA just smack of jazz.  Tight harmonies, jazzy rhythms...it's all there.  And its one of the things that attracted me to the score and prompted me to buy the CD.  

Tomorrow I shall be going to a Ren Fair with a few friends of mine.  Should be fun!  I've never been to one before.  

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jennifer on June 26, 2004, 11:49:50 AM

Quote from: Panni on June 26, 2004, 08:40:33 AM

Saw FAHRENHEIT 9/11 last night.

I believe the film will be Number 1 at the box office for the weekend . Unprecedented for a documentary.

I don't think it can be #1 because I don't think the release is wide enough.  I know here it's only playing in a few theatres.

Also, while it might be hugely popular in LA or NY, it probably won't be in many other cities.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jennifer on June 26, 2004, 11:56:26 AM

Quote from: Matt H. on June 26, 2004, 05:58:02 AM

Charles Pogue's mentioning of MISS SAIGON yesterday had me nodding in agreement. I think it is THE worst Broadway smash hit ever. Some day, I'm going to see the show done on an intimate scale as befits it slender story and maybe I might like it a little better. But I walked out of the Broadway Theater wanting my money back, and that hasn't hapenned to me too many times in my adult life. (AIDA comes closest followed by RENT.)

I guess we have vastly different taste because I've seen MISS SAIGON a few times, and I've been extremely moved every time.  I saw it at the Broadway theatre in 1994.  Then I saw it again there when Lea Salonga returned (with Ruthie Henshall as Ellen), and I loved it.  I also saw a tour of it here last year, and it held up wonderfully.

I also LOVED RENT, and with the OBC I thought it was one of the best things I had ever seen.  They were perfection.

I will agree though about AIDA.  The only thing I loved about it was Sherie Rene Scott.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 12:23:51 PM

Quote from: Ann on June 26, 2004, 11:33:17 AM

Tomorrow I shall be going to a Ren Fair with a few friends of mine.  Should be fun!  I've never been to one before.  

I've never been to a Ren Fair either, but der Brucer went to a few before we met and had a ball!  Here's hoping the weather is wonderful and that you have a great time!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: MBarnum on June 26, 2004, 12:25:53 PM

Thank you, thank you, and thank you again Jose!

Yes, Portland is a very beautiful city. I love it. If I didn't work in Salem I would move up there in a second.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 12:42:22 PM

As for the Unions...

As a member of the American Federation of Musicians (AFM), I will say that I am truly thankful for the scale (wages), benefits and safeguards that the powers-that-be have been able to work out on my behalf.  And from my experience in the DC area, the DC Local has been more than willing to work out special arrangements and deals for various organizations and theatres.  Even "tiny" Signature Theatre has been under a union contract since their third of fourth season.  Yes, the scale at Signature is no where near what the "big guys" in town pay, but it is a smaller theatre, with a lower top ticket price, and they're on an Equity SPT (Small Professional Theatre) contract.  In short, their "scale" is in scale according to the theatre's overall size.  And since it is under a union contract, I have been able to make contributions to my pension whenever I've worked there.

However, sometimes I feel the Locals actually have too much "power".  And, actually, I feel all the unions have this problem to an extent.  Yes, accomodations do have to be made according to the local economics, but I don't think economics should really affect things such as break times, minimum hours, and amount of personnel required.

From personal experience, I will say I felt a little uncomfortable and "guilty" when I played Aida at the Kennedy Center two years ago.  The orchestration for that show required three keyboard players and one guitarist (at least for the road "book") in addition to the rest of the pit.  They travelled with three keyboard players and one guitar player.  Well, due to the CBA that the Kennedy Center Opera House Orchestra had worked out, a certain amount of local players had to be hired for the run at the Kennedy Center.  As it turned out, the guitarist who had been on tour with the show ended up getting laid off for the two months the show was in DC, and they hired two guitar players in his place.  And I, in turn, ended up replacing the third keyboard player on the tour for the two months in DC.  The third keyboard player was also laid off for those two months.  Additionally, two other keyboard players, locals, were hired as "floating subs" who were paid a full week's scale regardless of whether or not they got called in to play during a particular week for the length of the run.  -And since both players did learn the books they were to cover, they weren't true "walkers" since there were "on-call".  And, in fact, both floating subs did play a few times during the run.  But, again, they were paid a full week's scale regardless of how many performances they played in a particular week, or even if they played none.  -However, sometimes someone is called in to be the "local sub", and then it truly is a pay-as-you-play arrangement.  But that's another story...

All in all, the addition of the second guitar player actually helped the overall sound of the show - and it actually made the guitar "book" easier in the sense that the guitar player wasn't juggling so many different guitars (acoustic, 12-string, electric) since the duties were now split - and actually augmented for the parts.  -And both guitarists were still left with a lot of notes to play.

But did we really need to have two floating subs?  Did I really need to displace someone who was travelling with the show for over a year at that time?  Did the theatre really need to require that a certain number of people be hired regardless of the type of show coming in to the venue?

It's all about minimums.  And in this case, local minimums.  I won't get into all the arguments for and against "minimums" - at least in regards to my "brothers" up north on Broadway - but I just have to wonder what exactly is the "power" of the National office if the Locals can basically take an "overall" agreement and customize and nickel-and-dime it to death.  The touring musicians were under the standard Touring "Pamphlet" - a national agreement.  But that Pamphlet can be - and was - over-ridden according to the Local's own requirements.  And there's usually no room for negotiation - even though there would seem to plenty of time to work out something since tours are announced months in advance.  Usually a year or more.

Don't get me wrong, I am thankful for the work I have gotten through the Union.  Well, let me correct that statement, I am thankful for the Union work that my talent and perseverance has gotten me.  The Union office is definitely no longer a clearing house of sorts - even though some local offices claim to be.  -Again, that's another story...

I should also point at this time that membership in the AFM is truly "bought".  Once you mail your initiation fee and first quarter's dues into your local office, you're a card-carrying member of the AFM.  Yes, this does bring up issues of quality, but since most of the hiring - at least in my circle - is done through word of mouth (and getting to know the contractors) - the weaker players are usually found out and don't receive the "calls".  However, that doesn't prevent a "good player" from becoming lazy and staying on due to tenure issues...  -Again, that's another story...

My point after all of this semi-rambling...???

As DR Pogue pointed out, the Union is only as strong as it's membership.  And, unfortunately, there is no such thing as a "perfect" organization.  We can only strive together as a group of musicians, as a groups of actors, as a groups of writers, as a group or technicians, to make sure our basic needs are met, and that there are safeguards in place to protect our work and our working environment.

And, again, as was pointed out by DR Pogue, well more like inferred*, there may be members in the Union - whichever Union they belong to - that may not agree with the current state of affairs of their Union.  And, as my current post has indicated, I am one of those not in total accord with the current state of things.  Does this mean I don't like being in the Union?  No.  Does this mean I don't think the Union serves a beneficial purpose?  No.

*And if I have inferred incorrectly, DR Pogue, please feel free to correct me.

What it does mean is that I hope that all the "good" that the union has accomplished so far will continue to benefit me and every other member down the line.  And that any further negotiation and "roadblocks" will be able to be worked out for the better for all parties involved.

For myself, work is work.  Always has been, always will.  Whether I'm playing in the pit of a Broadway tour, or accompanying a singer in some tiny cabaret space, it's the work that counts.  It's the music.

Union or no Union, it's always the Music first.  And one hopes that the Union know that too.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 12:55:02 PM

Hmmm.. I guess I should have posted a "LONG POST" WARNING...

And, actually, after re-reading it again, there are a few "holes" and some places I should have had some more follow up, but I think my general points were made.

-And now it's time for me to get out my apartment for a a while... "First it was "Drumline", not it's "Swimfan"... ugh!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 12:59:13 PM

This is scary.  I'm finding DR Noel's arguments more cogent than DR Charles'.

Part of what drives me to Noel's way of thinking is that unions (and not just Equity) have become “Big Business” in their own right.  They represent thousands of workers, and yet seem to restrict their memberships on what they are allowed to do as much, if not more, than the businesses that are actually hiring the workers.  An amicable relationship between the worker and the employer, where it is agreed between them what the responsibilities of each are, is not usually allowed by the union unless that agreement conforms to what the union demands, even when the union demands are not what the worker him/herself wants.

This is bad for everyone involved.  It fosters an atmosphere of combativeness, of "us vs. them", where the parties most involved, the workers, end up caught in the middle.  When was the last time anyone has heard of a contract negotiation that went smoothly?  Of course, after the contract has been negotiated, the union leaves on its merry way, with the workers and management wallowing in lingering resentment.

This cannot be blamed on the current political administration, either, nor on any major political party. The contentious atmosphere the unions foster has been in existence over the span of several administrations; I first became aware of these problems back in the '60s.

Simply put, the unions are no longer a tool for the worker to negotiate better treatment/wages/conditions with the employer.  The unions have become a power unto themselves, as unresponsive to their memberships as they claim the employers to be.

Pity the poor worker, once again caught between a rock and a hard place.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Panni on June 26, 2004, 01:21:59 PM

      NOTE TO ALL WEST COAST HAINSIES AND KIMLETS:

If you're planning to attend the Hollywood Collectors Showcase - do it now! According to bk, this is the worst attended one he has ever seen.
DD and I just returned from there - and it seemed fairly crowded by the time we left. But I have nothing to compare it to, other than the one other show I attended.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Ann on June 26, 2004, 01:44:52 PM

I am eating a very tasty meal.  Threw a bit of salmon on the old George Foreman Grill, added a bit of Johnny's seafood seasoning.  Baked potato a la microwave with a bit of ranch dressing, salt, and pepper.  So simple, yet so yummy!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: TCB on June 26, 2004, 01:53:42 PM

To all my friends (and my enemies too)

Well, my computer at home died a horrible death, I drowned my cordless phone in a full cup of coffee, and worst of all, at work we have been threatened with I $500.00 for going online.

I am writing this today from the lie-berry.  Don't know when I will get another chance to write!

Don't forget me!!!

TCB

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Tomovoz on June 26, 2004, 01:56:54 PM

Very special thoughts are with you at this time TCB. "A Trip To The Library" must now become your priotity every day. Thnak you so much for keeping us up-to-date with your less than pleasant situation.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 02:30:07 PM

Just a point of clarification.  I never meant to suggest Hannity and O 'Reilly WERE actors.  Just that the Big Corp responsible of bringing us irresponsible journalism are now encroaching into the entertainment  arena.  That can only spell more disaster for the theatre.

Oh, and no, Hannity and O'Reilly aren't actors, but they're not news commentators either.  

Walter Cronkite was a news commentator. David Brinkley was a news commentator.  Chet Huntley was a news commentator.  Not hacks like Hannity and O'Reilly who are incapable of being impartial and wear their politics on the sleeves of their $3,000 dollar Republican suits.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 02:53:59 PM

Well, all this talk of Equity. Today I recieved in the mail my new Equity card and News Letter.

Why should we hate Clear Channel?  If you hate what they've done to radio, you may want to worry about what they will do to theatre (apparently what they're already doing to theatre) if they control too many venues.

Jose, I am not always happy with my unions either.  Within the WGA, I have often been considered a rebel rouser, on the wrong side of an issue, and a fighter for the journeyman, in-the-trench writer rather than on the side of the big star-writer faction. I'm tough to pin down because I've remained an independent agent in the guild and have never trapped in a faction.  While it's made me some enemies, it's also gotten me a lot of respect...even from my enemies, I think.  I've been asked to run for Officer postions in the guild in the past (I've always turn them down, for while I know how to fight valiantly and ferociously for a specific cause, I would not be a competent politician.)   A few weeks back, the board wanted me on a committee to pick the officers running for this year.  I was told I got more votes to be on the commitee than anyone else.  I didn't take the gig (though I've done other committee work) because I was in the throes of work.  

But I think people can love their guild and still criticize it.  I also still maintain that it is almost impossible to  have a satisfactorily paid, life-long career in the Arts without being a member of the necessary unions.  It's dicey enough to have one even in as a member of unions.

Noel maintains that Equity keeps knocking the quality of non-Equity shows.  I really don't know about that.  But it's something I pretty much agree with him on; it's the wrong tack.  I didn't become a better actor once I got my Equity or SAG card; I didn't become a better writer once I got my WGA card.  

And I've been to open Equity calls. I've seen a lot of cretins who you look at and wonder how they ever got their card.  It must have been a momentary aberration or they were just perfect for that one particular role that one time in their life and never worked again.  

And as far as the WGA goes, my pal Harlan Ellison has said openly in the past to WGA members:  "There are a lot of you in this guild who can't write for sour owl poop!"  He's quite right.  They did that one sitcom or  detective show once in their life and never really worked again.  There are also those who can't write for sour owl poop and have inexplicably made millions, but that's an entirely different debate...

That said, even SAG and WGA do their share of denigrating non-union work, when they should be pointing up the possibilities for abuse and sub-standard working conditions and wages in non-union situations.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 03:12:15 PM

The Hollywood Collectors Show was a bit of a bust.  I think this is a curiously baby boomer nostalgia thing that may have finally peaked.  The stars and the fans keep getting greyer...and no new blood seems to be coursing through this past time.  I felt like I was at an AARP convention.  Also you used to be able to get an autographed picture of someone for five or ten bucks.  Now it's twenty, bottomline. And the entrance fee has gone up from five to ten and when they move you'll have to pay for parking.   And the quality of stars has dropped considerably.  You looked at rows of people and just tried to figure out who the Hell they were, not recognizing the name on the nameplate.  You could have gone rabbit hunting with a shotgun down the centre aisle of the show today and not hit anyone, it was that sparse.  I hope it picks up for BK's sake. He had already sold a couple of his scripts and some CDs.

Since BK didn't want to have lunch, I ducked out after about an hour and half.

Most interesting star there was Elke Sommer, looking good for her age.  Marilyn Chambers was falling out of her low-cut dress with breasts displaying quite a bit of augmentation.  They were never that big in her heyday.  Of course, her waist was showing quite a bit of augmentation as well, though that was natural.  Seems to have been stuffing down lots of twinkies and potato chips lately.  She didn't get that thick stuffing down what she became famous for stuffing down.

I did pick up a beautiful poster of Louis Hayward's THE MAN IN THE IRON MASK. One with artwork as opposed to photos. Got it very inexpensively...and it was linen-backed too!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 03:16:55 PM

Hollywood Collectors Show Addendum:  The guy who seemed to be doing the most brisk business was Dickie Jones of Buffalo Bill Jr. fame.  He had the biggest lines, believe it or not.  I think he was also the voice of Pinnochio.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Matthew on June 26, 2004, 03:29:46 PM

Wow, West Coast time is 3:30 and there are only two pages of posts.  Favorite Cy Coleman songs "Nobody Does It Like Me" and almost anything from "The Will Rogers Follies".  My iPod just arrived, a recent eBay purchase so I'm off to the Apple Store to purchase accesories.  Jose, why the Chopin Preludes?  Are you planning a CD perhaps?  Tomorrow is Gay Pride in SF and for the first time, there is actually a BoyFriend in the picture to share it with, should be exciting, I'm sure.  I'm off, the last weekend of a church job I've held for 14 years, exciting, sad, and a big relief.  It's been a hellish "break-up" - perhaps I'll write a story about it some day.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jay on June 26, 2004, 04:02:55 PM

I have returned from seeing Farenheit 9/11, Dear Readers, and must report I have never seem a film quite like this one.

I was shaken by it.  I was profoundly disturbed by some of the images in it.  Parts of the film were downright funny.  Most of all, it made me angry.  Very angry, indeed.

There's a lot less of the muckraking Michael Moore in this picture than in his previous outings and much more of the documentarian.  Does the film offer a balanced point of view?  Absolutely not.  Does it cover, in factual manner, some of the reasons why we are in Iraq right now?  Absolutely yes.  Does this film personalize the Iraqi situation and the realities of this war from the perspective of those who are fighting it and their loved ones?  Definitely yes, in a highly effective fashion that will probably be overshadowed by the controversy surrounding the film.

My favorite sequence is a typical Michael Moore schtick in a movie that does not contain many of them:  Michael Moore accosting members of the Congress on the Capitol steps, encouraging them to have their children enlist in the armed forces.

It will be interesting to see how well this film does between the coasts.  It was playing on three screens at my local art house cinema, with a fresh screening essentially each hour through the day.  When I left the theatre at about 3 pm, all showings were sold out until the 10 pm show.  I've never seen anything like that at this theatre before.

I anticipate that this film will create some degree of widely experienced political/social/cultural impact.  I am not sure how it will be manifested, but for a powerful film like this to hit the screens while its main subject sits in the White House and is up for re-election surely must be unprecedented.

And one last note:  Perhaps the fight over the "R" rating was undertaken in the belief that there's no such thing as bad publicity.  In my humble opinion, the "R" rating is deserved.  (It's a pity, though, that the same "R" rating isn't applied as well to fictional films that contain the same kinds of images that appear in this one.  Do I detect a double standard?)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Panni on June 26, 2004, 04:06:48 PM

And one for that old composer dude!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jay on June 26, 2004, 04:07:29 PM

We best be on page 3 before Dear BK returns else we'll all be bitch-slapped from here to tarnation!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Matt H. on June 26, 2004, 04:08:13 PM

Brief notes on HARRY POTTER: I enjoyed the movie and saw immediately that a new hand was guiding things behind the scenes. Most all of the effects went like gangbusters (didn't think the werewolf transformation was all that great; but we've been seeing great werewolf transformations for decades now), but I felt the middle third of the movie was fairly slow and not that powerfully involving.

I still think the second one was the best of the three. The cinema where I saw the one today did not have the sound quite loud enough for all the dialogue to be audible, and there were people talking constantly in the theater. Oh, how much I prefer to see films at home now!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Panni on June 26, 2004, 04:12:40 PM

Good. Now I don't have to actually write what I was going to write when I said earlier today that I would comment on FAHRENHEIT 9/11 later. DR Jay has said it all.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Panni on June 26, 2004, 04:20:24 PM

Re Marilyn Chambers at the Collectors Showcase... Yes the dear lady was hangin' out there for all the world to see. Fine. Whatever.
What was interesting for me in her "look" was the GIGANTIC cross, which served as the "boob accessory" (a new fashion term of my own invention). I've seen quite a bit of this lately (yes, I know Madonna was doing it ages ago - but that was more costume than functional clothing). These days I'm seeing it everywhere. So - and I ask this in all sincerity as a Jew - has the cross lost its meaning as a religious icon denoting sacrifice, purity whatever - and become costume jewelry?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jay on June 26, 2004, 04:26:45 PM

Quote from: Panni on June 26, 2004, 04:20:24 PM

Re Marilyn Chambers at the Collectors Showcase... Yes the dear lady was hangin' out there for all the world to see. Fine. Whatever.
What was interesting for me in her "look" was the GIGANTIC cross, which served as the "boob accessory" (a new fashion term of my own invention). I've seen quite a bit of this lately (yes, I know Madonna was doing it ages ago - but that was more costume than functional clothing). These days I'm seeing it everywhere. So - and I ask this in all sincerity as a Jew - has the cross lost its meaning as a religious icon denoting sacrifice, purity whatever - and become costume jewelry?

I remember some awards show on which Miss Cher appeared wearing a necklace sort of apparatus, only it went around her hips, not her neck and a big cross hung from it.  This "religious icon denoting sacrifice, purity whatever" rested directly you know where.  I was surprised when no uproar ensued.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jay on June 26, 2004, 04:27:14 PM

Quote from: Panni on June 26, 2004, 04:12:40 PM

Good. Now I don't have to actually write what I was going to write when I said earlier today that I would comment on FAHRENHEIT 9/11 later. DR Jay has said it all.

You flatter me, Dear Reader Panni.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Panni on June 26, 2004, 04:29:10 PM

Two more things and then my frenzy of one must come to a halt...
Sorry to hear of TCB's computer and other problems!

And... The other big line at the CS was for Angela Cartwright. I guess that must be the LOST IN SPACE crowd.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Panni on June 26, 2004, 04:31:57 PM

Jay, you were too quick for me - I modified my cross comments so that the prose read more elegantly, sans typos, etc. - but you quoted my less than perfect text. Oh well...

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jay on June 26, 2004, 04:39:59 PM

Quote from: Panni on June 26, 2004, 04:31:57 PM

Jay, you were too quick for me - I modified my cross comments so that the prose read more elegantly, sans typos, etc. - but you quoted my less than perfect text. Oh well...

Not sure what you're talking about...


 ;)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Panni on June 26, 2004, 04:41:00 PM

Re FS Pogues's impressions of the HCS - I don't mind the fact that people - both celebrities and fans -  are older -- it happens. I thought Betsy Palmer looked lovely. As did Lee Meriwether. They've aged gracefully. Not easy to do in this town.
And how did you get such bargain prices, Pogue? I paid for parking - was there a choice? And the entrance fee was higher than the figure you quoted.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jay on June 26, 2004, 04:43:53 PM

Quote from: Panni on June 26, 2004, 04:41:00 PM

And how did you get such bargain prices, FS Pogue? I paid for parking - was there a choice? And the entrance fee was higher than the figure you quoted.

He probably got a union discount.













Just kidding!   ;D

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 04:52:28 PM

TCB,

You're UNFORGETTABLE!

Jay,

You mean there's a new MM movie out?
I thought Disney did not want to release any Mickey Mouse Movies anymoore!?!?

-- It's out July 7 here! --

Saw POTTER #3 a few days ago and enjoyed it; thought the second half was very clever in the script department. Special effects get so sophisticate that they don't seem special anymore...
I wound certainly not take a kid to see such a film; too dark and grim!

Don't know if Julie Christie was paid big bucks but she hardly gets to do and say anything!

Don't know; call me weird but I like the score to Will Rogers Follies... It also might be that I think Dee Hoty is a terrific talent and i can listen to her in whatever she sings....

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 04:55:20 PM

The internet quotes an entrance fee of 15 bucks to go to the Hollywood show where BK is!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 04:56:39 PM

Jay, thanks for the update and review of the Moore film.  I'm looking forward to seeing it.  Apparently, it grossed 8 million last night and is the highest grossing film so far of the weekend, outgrossing White Chicks which is on more screens than Moore's film.  It is on track to make more this weekend than the entire gross of BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE.  

I think it's great that a non-fiction film can come out during the height of the summer and be the top-grossing film.  I think people have to get over screaming about the film having a point of view and decrying it is not a documentary.  No, it is editorial film-making, but apparently unlike so many of his media counterparts who editorialize, Moore offers some compelling ammunition for his point-of-view.  Can't wait to see it!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: William E. Lurie on June 26, 2004, 05:07:05 PM

Isn't Dickie Moore also Mr. Jane Powell?

DR Sandra---
Cherry Coke has become harder to get here too.  Vanilla Coke (ugh!) seems toi have taken its shelf space in many stores.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 05:13:28 PM

Panni, if you paid more than fifteen bucks for person, you were overcharged.  The fee went up to fifteen from ten at the last show, I think.

 I parked off-site, on the street.  This may be the first time they charged for parking.  I remember when the shows first started you could actually find a spot in the parking lot...I stopped even looking years ago and immediately go to a side-street.  I heard Bev Garland sold the motel, so that may be why the whole thing is going into a transition phase and moving.

Missed Meriweather & Palmer altogether.  Did not see my neighbour, Elvira there either, who was advertised...

Re:  The greying...I just think the whole thing may die out with our generation.  It doesn't seem to be getting infused with new blood...this collecting thing.  But it could just be a summer doldrum.  There was always a sad aspect of has-beenism to it with some of the so-called celebrities, but the shows used to be much more invirgorating and fun, with a bigger mix of stars young and old and a lot of the celebs just came for the fun of it and had a great time meeting the fans.  Now there seems to be an aura of desperateness, gotta-make-a-buck, to the whole thing.  Twenty bucks for an autographed picture indeed!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 05:21:59 PM

MattH, was  the Jason Isaacs' character in this installment of Harry Potter?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 26, 2004, 05:24:56 PM

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 04:56:39 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing it. ...Moore offers some compelling ammunition for his point-of-view.  Can't wait to see it!

Interesting that you have concluded that Moore has "compelling ammunition" when you haven't even seen the film.

I'll spare you the posting of the web links that debunk much of his delusional, paranoid, radical propagandizing.

der Brucer

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 05:25:51 PM

WEL,

It's Dickie Jones!

Michael is Moore
and Dickie is Jones!
See!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 05:28:00 PM

I'm back, and to prove it, I'm here.  What a deesaster this show was.  Don't know if the fact that Bill Clinton was in West Hollywood signing his big fat book, but something was definitely awry.  I have done the summer show for the last three years and it has always been pretty jammed on Saturday, less so on Sunday.  Today, right from the start, there was simply no one there.  For the first time, I was seated in the good first aisle rather than the center aisle, so I was really looking forward to lots of traffic.  Never happened.  Penny did okay but had traffic been what it usually is she would have cleaned up.  I did fine - sold a few scripts and a CD or two, etc.  But, normally you just can barely walk down that first aisle and today it was wide open from ten to five, despite having the likes of Marilyn Chambers, Tiffany, Dickie Moore, Sam Jones and Lee Meriwether all in our aisle.  The biggest lines were for Elvira and Angela Cartwright, and those were on the complete opposite side of the room and it seemed like those people who were over there, got those autographs and then left without doing the rest of the room.  Also seen, my new pal Charlene Tilton and daughter, Elke Sommer, who gave me a big warm smile, Ken Norton (sitting across from me) and many others.  Tammy Minoff dropped by for a spell, and Beth, one of our dear reader lurkers, came by.  Our very own Nick Redman stuck it out all day with me, which was very nice of him.  And it's always nice to see Pogue, Panni and Panni's dearest Rachel.

Now, might I just ask, where in tarnation IS everyone?  We need some home fries burning, baby.  Yes, burn, baby, burn - that's what I'M talkin' about.

Rain curtain: Yes, there was a rain curtain, and quite a bit of rain splashing all over everyone and the floor - one of the few effective moments of the evening.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 05:28:41 PM

WEL,

You're right about Mister Jane Powel!

"Jane Powell was married five times: Her fifth husband was former juvenile star Dickie Moore, with whom she'd fallen in love while he was interviewing her for his book on child actors. ~ Hal Erickson, All Movie Guide

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Panni on June 26, 2004, 05:29:47 PM

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 05:13:28 PM

Panni, if you paid more than fifteen bucks for person, you were overcharged.  The fee went up to fifteen from ten at the last show, I think.

No, I paid $15/pp. What I was referring to was your saying "And the entrance fee has gone up from five to ten"... If that had been the case, then I overpaid... But it wasn't, so I didn't.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 05:34:15 PM

And now... Show and tell.

Here is a photo of our very own Mr. Nick Redman, Charles Pogue (with poster), Panni and Rachel.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 05:35:06 PM

Here is a shot of Penny and her ever-lovin' husband, radio dj Doug McIntyre.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 05:37:14 PM

Here is a photo of someone we like to call Mr. Butt Man.  This guy was sitting near us, looking at stills, with his big-boy underpants showing along with his big boy butt crack.  Look closely and you might be able to see it.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Panni on June 26, 2004, 05:43:00 PM

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 05:13:28 PM

Now there seems to be an aura of desperateness, gotta-make-a-buck, to the whole thing.  Twenty bucks for an autographed picture indeed!

That's not the overall impression I got. I think a number of the celebrities and lesser celebrities just want that jolt of recognition they get from fans or just the public in general. The first time I attended, I found it a bit embarrassing to walk down the aisle of tables, looking to see who was who. I felt obligated to stop at each table if I happened to make eye contact with the person sitting behind it. But once I got over that feeling, I realized that it was fun just to stop and chat. That it didn't even matter if I knew who the person was (as long as I didn't make that obvious!). And yes - some are there for the buck. Hey, why not?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 05:47:08 PM

Der Brucer, haven't seen it yet, but I've seen enough clips to find it already compelling...clips the news media are too timid to broadcast...clips like Bush talking war tough, then blithely going back to his golf game.  He has the attention span of gnat and the imposing sincerity of a used car salesman.

But you Republicans just keep ranting about Fahrenheit 9/11's paranoid propagandizing...it's been great free publicity for the film!  Poor Bill O'Reilly's knickers must really be in a twist.  First Al Franken has Bill's frivolous ego-driven law suit thrown out of court, now this.

You guys just can't stand it when the Liberals get the upper hand in propoganda.  The only thing is we're more honest in our propoganda.

But somehow you think it's perfectly okay for Cheney to come on TV and a tell a bald-faced lie that he never said something and then see the clip where he said precisely just that quote he denied.

This is not part of the film, by the by, I saw that on Jon Stewart the other night.  Cheney denying categorically that he didn't say something to a newscaster juxtaposed against another news clip where he said exactly that. If someone doesn't use it in an ad against the Republicans to show what frigging liars they are, they're fools...

The Bush regime has taken the O.J. Simpson approach to their habitual lying, just keep denying even if you're caught out and maybe the idiots will believe you if you say it long enough and loud enough and huff and puff with all sort of  hypocritical umbrage about how your good name is being vilified...Their contempt for the American public is...frankly... contemptible.   I also hope it is transparent come November.

Did anyone see Ron Reagen tearing the GOP a new a-hole the other day on Inside Politics?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 05:48:34 PM

I'm not there for the buck.  And I'm not there for the thrill of recognition.  Why the HELL am I there?  I have no clew.  Oh, yes, I like people to read my book, and I like them to have the Nudie DVD - that's basically it, although I did sell a few photos today, which surprised me.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 26, 2004, 05:49:50 PM

Out of the woods...
(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/4436247/58038344.jpg)

The Blue Jays come...
(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/4436247/58038265.jpg)

and feast

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/4436247/58038252.jpg)


to be continued

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 05:52:08 PM

BK, where the Hell was Elivra?  Did she come late?  I must have been really zoned out today...or just too jaded it with it all.  

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 05:52:41 PM

My problem is that I am not a Republican and I am not a Demorcrat.  I'm just a middle-aged Jew who is shrinking and will soon be five-foot-four.  I think all politicians are suspect, no matter what party.  I think they're all publicity-mongering, double-dealing people who wouldn't know the truth if it hit them in the face.  They do nothing to make this country a better place, otherwise they'd start by abolishing the IRS and any organization that thinks they have the right to ruin people's lives and who function with complete protection from legal action.  Shameful.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Sandra on June 26, 2004, 05:53:51 PM

OK, everyone can relax. Everything is fine. We went to the grocery store and got a twelve-pack of Cherry Coke. Whew!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 26, 2004, 05:54:03 PM

and wait

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/4436247/58038242.jpg)

and feast some more

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/4436247/58038229.jpg)

and the youngsters venture forth

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/4436247/58038216.jpg)

der Brucer (who needs a better telephoto digital camera or tamer birds)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 05:54:23 PM

Elvira was at the back end corner of the room, near Angela Cartwright and Elke Sommer.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 05:55:49 PM

I kept telling everyone that I was the mistress of the dark, but no one would listen.  I even tried performing my new gay version of Oklahoma, which I call Oklahomo, but nobody was having any of it.  I sang my favorite song from the new version - I'm Just a Gay Who Cain't Say No.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 06:00:53 PM

Heading out for some dinner, but I shall return soon and let's get some postin' goin' on, shall we?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 26, 2004, 06:02:20 PM

Quote from: bk on June 26, 2004, 05:52:41 PM

I think all politicians are suspect, no matter what party.  I think they're all publicity-mongering, double-dealing people who wouldn't know the truth if it hit them in the face.  They do nothing to make this country a better place, otherwise they'd start by abolishing the IRS...

I'll accept "most all politicians" are suspect...

and..."most all are publicity-monggering, double-dealing

and who wouln't know the truth, or could care less

and instead of abolishing the IRS just refrom the hell out of it (unless you want to drop the Income Tax for a Value Added Tax or some such thing).

der Brucer  (who had the pleasure of working with a retired university professor turned Congressman, who would take no PAC dollars, and was true gentlemen).

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 06:02:35 PM

Quote from: Panni on June 26, 2004, 05:43:00 PM

That's not the overall impression I got. I think a number of the celebrities and lesser celebrities just want that jolt of recognition they get from fans or just the public in general. The first time I attended, I found it a bit embarrassing to walk down the aisle of tables, looking to see who was who. I felt obligated to stop at each table if I happened to make eye contact with the person sitting behind it. But once I got over that feeling, I realized that it was fun just to stop and chat. That it didn't even matter if I knew who the person was (as long as I didn't make that obvious!). And yes - some are there for the buck. Hey, why not?

Panni,

I think the "sweet you" shows through in those lines! :)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 06:04:02 PM

Bk, I've voted both Republican and Democrat and consider myself a moderate, common sense pragmatist.  Republicans lost me totally in Reagan's second term when the party began to co-opted by the far right lunatic elements and the religious fringe, though if someone like McCain became a viable candidate, I might be tempted even though there are still issues I disagree with him on.  But then there are issues I disagree with the Democrats on.  I just find them more common sensicle right now than the Republicans.  I'm fiscally conservative; socially liberal, hate the extremes of both parties, but like Ron Reagan said the other day I would just find it hard to be a member of a party that has bigots and hate-mongers and religious zealots in it to such an extreme.
But I don't feel I have the right to complain unless I vote.

But I must stop all this political talk...and go watch my favourite weekly show.  My only must-see after South Park...The McLaughlin Group.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 06:05:03 PM

Quote from: bk on June 26, 2004, 05:55:49 PM

I kept telling everyone that I was the mistress of the dark, but no one would listen.  I even tried performing my new gay version of Oklahoma, which I call Oklahomo, but nobody was having any of it.  I sang my favorite song from the new version - I'm Just a Gay Who Cain't Say No.

You should have been here today, BK!

The Gay Pride Parade was in town and you would have had a crowd!


......"there's a parade in town".... oh a.... never mind!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 06:09:13 PM

I vote for the Blue Jays!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 06:11:15 PM

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 06:04:02 PM

But I don't feel I have the right to complain unless I vote.

You mean..... you DON'T?????  (vote, that is!) :o

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: MBarnum on June 26, 2004, 06:21:13 PM

The couple of times that I went to the Hollywood collectors show it was packed. I went once in October and the second time was...oh, October. Guess both times was in October.

The line-up of guests this time left a bit to be desired, with a few exceptions of course!  :D

Anne Jeffreys was listed. Did she make it? She had a big line when I saw her.

Did you guys see Kim Richards from Nanny and the Professor???  That is one I would like to have gotten an autograph of.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 07:06:32 PM

Francois, I mean "Yes"! I DO VOTE!  That's why I'm always complaining!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 07:15:25 PM

Quote from: Matthew on June 26, 2004, 03:29:46 PM

Wow, West Coast time is 3:30 and there are only two pages of posts.  Favorite Cy Coleman songs "Nobody Does It Like Me" and almost anything from "The Will Rogers Follies".  My iPod just arrived, a recent eBay purchase so I'm off to the Apple Store to purchase accesories.  Jose, why the Chopin Preludes?  Are you planning a CD perhaps?  Tomorrow is Gay Pride in SF and for the first time, there is actually a BoyFriend in the picture to share it with, should be exciting, I'm sure.  I'm off, the last weekend of a church job I've held for 14 years, exciting, sad, and a big relief.  It's been a hellish "break-up" - perhaps I'll write a story about it some day.

So nice seeing you again, DR Matthew!

-You new iPod - Just make sure to take the "auto-sync" feature "off" - or whatever that feature is really called.  I have one too many friends who have unintentionally erased the contents of their iPod lately.

-The Chopin - I'm just practicing and learning some "rep" for good-ole-times' sake - and because I really do (still) like classical music.  Plus, all my practicing lately has really helped me to feel better about my technical ability - which had admittedly dropped a few notches over the past year or two.  *No matter how "real" the touch of a keyboard may be, it still doesn't come close to a real piano.  My fingers have literally have not had the workout they used to get.  What I find truly amazing is that even thought I've only really been practicing-practicing for about a week now, I can already tell I've made some great progress.  I'm not back up to the level I was when I played my graduation recitals, but I'm getting there.

I even tried reading through some of the rep from my senior recital... WOW!!  Who knew?!?!?  -I'm gonna have to dig up the tapes to make sure I really did play those pieces!  Now, I'm not saying my playing has gone to pot playing shows, but the technical demands of a typical keyboard part are definitely not on the same level as the standard classical rep.  And since my life over the past few years has mainly consisted of playing the same part two to three months at a time... It's time for some new patterns and music.  And as I mentioned last week - just in case you missed the posts - I'm even enjoying playing scales and arpeggios!

I've picked out four of the Chopin preludes.  Four of the shorter ones, although I may end up learning the "key pairs" for each prelude.  Once I get comfortable with them, then I may start looking into a sonata or something longer.  But the miniatures are a nice way to ease back into my classical rep.  And, frankly, I'm amazed that I've memorized two of them already after just a few days of working on them.  -I'm re-learning the concept of learning the "notes" first, and then learning the "music".  Which makes the memorizing much easier - and faster too!

Hmm... Maybe I will finally go back for my Masters... Hmm...

-The BoyFriend - Would this happen to be the same young gentleman you mentioned a couple of months ago?  If so, Congratulations!  If not, Congratulations! ;)  Have a great time at Pride!  -And what a great city to have Pride in too!  -I don't like what the Pride Festival in DC has evolved into over the past few years, and Richmond has their's in September - ???.

-The Church Job - Hmm.. Those types of break-ups seem to be in fashion lately - at least here in Richmond.  I don't know the specifics of your situation, but there have been a bunch of long-term "relationships" that have ended both amicably and spitefully here in Richmond's church community in recent months.  May the closing of that door lead to the opening of another one for you.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 07:19:48 PM

Quote from: bk on June 26, 2004, 05:37:14 PM

Here is a photo of someone we like to call Mr. Butt Man.  This guy was sitting near us, looking at stills, with his big-boy underpants showing along with his big boy butt crack.  Look closely and you might be able to see it.

Well, I'm glad that you didn't have a better telescopic/telephoto lens on your digital camera.  ;)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Tomovoz on June 26, 2004, 07:21:56 PM

I"ve always believed it is a responsibility to vote. We have compulsory voting here in OZ. If you don't like the choices (and there a few!) you can always be counted as informal by not voting correctly. If people need to make the effort to get to a polling location, then the chances are they will at least give their vote some thought.
Responsibilities come with rights. The right to freedom is not IMHO diminshed by the responsibilty to vote.
The "green" vote is growing stronger all the time here - independent and "green" politicians have considerable impact here in tempering policies.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: DearReaderLaura on June 26, 2004, 07:29:46 PM

Love the bird pictures, DerBrucer. I know you have to get really close, and it's very hard!

Today we went to a funeral. And the music was played on an electric keyboard. Ugh.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Michael on June 26, 2004, 07:45:40 PM

Oklahomo is a start. What other well known musicals can become gay?

110 in the Men's Sauna "Lezzie Is Coming Homo"

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Michael on June 26, 2004, 07:50:30 PM

 loved seeing the more recent photo of Nick Redman. The only other photo I have seen of him was from the 1992 studio recording of Anastasia. He's taller than I thought he was.

(http://www.brucekimmel.com/images/anasastiaaffairerecording.jpg)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 07:53:31 PM

Good Evening!

Music Update:  Still not back on the piano.  Even with my note taped prominently to the grand.  On Monday, I shall go into the Music Office and start collecting names and numbers.  At least I've had my Chopin and R&H transcriptions to keep me occupied throughout the past week.  -Oh, and my scales and arpeggios too! ;)

-But, boy, what a long week this past week has seemed!

I practiced for about two hours.  I got some more work done on the R&H, and I did some more memory work on the second Chopin prelude.  I would have pushed through another hour, but I was just getting to a point of diminishing returns, so I called it a day and headed back to the apartment.

Once back at the apartment, I headed back out for my daily walk up and down Carytown.  At the turnaround, I stopped into Starbucks (which I haven't done in a while), and got one of those Java Chip Frappacinos.  Then on the way back to the apartment, I picked up some dinner at The Eatery: fried wontons and fried chicken livers with fried rice.  Yes, I know - quite the interesting combination, but that was what I was in the mood for so I followed my mood.  Hopefully, my "mood" won't upset my stomach throughout the night.  However, so far, so good in the gastro-intestinal department.

*And just in any of you DRs have been wondering about this Carytown I keep talking about, here's the link to the richmond.com page about it:

http://www.richmond.com/localguides/carytown.cfm (http://www.richmond.com/localguides/carytown.cfm)

All in all, it's been a good day.  I'm also actually feeling better about things in general.  And I'm finally coming up with a game plan for the next few weeks - which includes finding some sort of part-time job to keep me from depending too much on my financial reserves over the next month or so - and draining said financial reserves.  In short, I think I'm "recovered" from Children of Eden and Camelot and Australia and I Love You, You're Perfect, Now Change and 1776...  In short, the past two years of work.  Some very wonderful work.  And now I have the time - and the luxury - to do some of my own work until the next gig comes along.  -Now, as for when that next gig comes along... Hmmm...

And I must add that HHW has been a wonderful place to check into for humor, support, banter, stories, information and just "good stuff".  As it always has.  Thank you, again, BK, for providing such a wonderful virtual home for all of us.  It's been nice being "home" again the past few weeks.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Tomovoz on June 26, 2004, 07:59:50 PM

You recovered from "Australia"Jose. Was meeting Magnus & Fosca so traumatic?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 26, 2004, 08:00:31 PM

Quote from: DearReaderLaura on June 26, 2004, 07:29:46 PM

I know you have to get really close, and it's very hard!

::starts channeling TCB::

At his age, I doubt it!

:: end channeling::

der Brucer (goes to room)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Matt H. on June 26, 2004, 08:15:09 PM

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 05:21:59 PM

MattH, was  the Jason Isaacs' character in this installment of Harry Potter?

No, Lucius Malfoy isn't in this film, and he was one of the reasons I so adored the second one. Perfect casting and a perfect nasty performance in CHAMBER OF SECRETS.

And I have to say that as powerful an actor as Gary Oldman is, he didn't do much with his role. Not his fault; I suspect the character just isn't very compellingly written, but I found Emma Thompson much more fun.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 08:16:05 PM

Quote from: Michael Shayne on June 26, 2004, 07:45:40 PM

Oklahomo is a start. What other well known musicals can become gay?

110 in the Men's Sauna "Lezzie Is Coming Homo"

So, would the "110" refer to the temperature in the sauna or the number of men in the sauna?  Or would that refer to inches/centimeters?  ;) :o :P

-Remember, there is no groaning here on HHW.

As for other musicals that can become gay:

70 Girls 70 -> 70, Gurlz, 70 - or 70, Bois, 70 if you prefer

West Side Story -> West Village Story or West Hollywood Story

Mack and Mabel -> Mack and Abel

Baby -> Baby! - Just add the "!".

The Sound of Music -> The Sound of House Music

Once On This Island -> Once On Fire Island

Steel Pier -> Chelsea Pier

Fame -> Flame!

The King & I -> The Queen and I


Oh, and here's the musical that the Children of Eden crew guys came up with.  It's about cannibalism: Children I've Eaten.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Matt H. on June 26, 2004, 08:22:14 PM

Tonight, I plucked off my to-see DVD shelf the terrific William Wyler thriller THE DESPERATE HOURS. I got this for Christmas from my best friend and just tonight got around to it. I had seen it before years ago, but I had forgotten how pwoerful it is.

And that Vistavision print encoded for anamorphic widescreen made the thing look brand spanking new! Glorious evening at the movies in my den. Then, because I hadn't watched it since getting an HDTV a year ago, I put in GONE WITH THE WIND.

OMG! What deep, saturated color! Astonishing! I know Warners is using Ultra-Resolution on it for the fall Special Edition of the film they're going to release, but it sure looks pretty terrific now to my eyes.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 08:25:27 PM

Quote from: Tomovoz on June 26, 2004, 07:59:50 PM

You recovered from "Australia"Jose. Was meeting Magnus & Fosca so traumatic?

No, not traumatic at all.  However, I did go through some withdrawal after the last of my Fredo Froggies were gone.  As well as the Crunchy bars, Violet Crumble, Rocklea Road, Flake, etc.

(http://www.greenweb.com.au/freddo/assets/images/freddo80.gif)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Matt H. on June 26, 2004, 08:26:39 PM

DR MBarnum, if you haven't seen them already, I have some screen grabs of Matt Battaglia from last week's QAF episode that I can send you to whet your appetite for the recordings of the actual shows. I've lost your e-mail, however, so send it to me, and I'll whisk those grabs to you to "pour" over.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 08:28:53 PM

How come BK is not on the Anastasia Pic????

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 08:31:06 PM

Quote from: Sandra on June 26, 2004, 05:53:51 PM

OK, everyone can relax. Everything is fine. We went to the grocery store and got a twelve-pack of Cherry Coke. Whew!

WHEW!!!!

-In the DC area a few years ago, there was a shortage of Diet Cherry Coke on the grocery store shelves.  The local bottler wasn't manufacturing it anymore, and stores - and the public - had to order it from the Philadelphia plant.  Well, a local DJ started a campaign to get Diet Cherry Coke back on the local shelves, and, lo and behold, his personal campaign caught on with others, and the local bottling plant started making Diet Cherry Coke again!  Power to the people!  *In the meantime, his beloved listeners started dropping off cases of Diet Cherry Coke at the the radio station. ;)

However, I'm not sure if it would be cost-effective to ship cases of Cherry Coke to you, DR Sandra... but if push comes to shove, anything is possible.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 08:34:38 PM

Oohhh.... Page Five.... Can Page Six be too far away then?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 08:36:28 PM

Quote from: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 08:28:53 PM

How come BK is not on the Anastasia Pic????

Third in from the right, I do believe.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 26, 2004, 08:37:47 PM

Quote from: Michael Shayne on June 26, 2004, 07:45:40 PM

Oklahomo is a start. What other well known musicals can become gay?

And The World Goes Down

Balls Are Ringing

Boys Do Syracuse

Really BIG!

Day in Hollywood, Night in the Baths

Midler on the Roof (from Woody)

On a Queer Day (more from Woody)

Forever Laid

Grease – The KY Musical!

Kiss Me Mate

Seven Grooms for Seven Brothers

The Daisy Chain (Sequel to A Chorus Line) more Woody!

Lying King

Lucky’s Stiff

Little Shop of Leathers

Man of La Castro

NINE (inches)

On Your Knees

Fagtime

Secret Rest Stop

South of Market

Sunday In the Park with George. et al.

No Change Needed:

Into the Woods

Once Upon Mattress

der shameful Brucer

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Noel on June 26, 2004, 08:52:21 PM

Quote from: MBarnum on June 26, 2004, 09:29:02 AM

Lunch with Mr. Rhodes Reason was a blast! We met at South Park Grill downtown and started off with martinis. I orderd the Butternut Squash Ravioli which was quite tasty! Yum! Rhodes' wife Jeri joined us

Oh, I've always wanted to go there.  Chef's a real nice guy and one hell of a soul singer.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Panni on June 26, 2004, 09:00:42 PM

Thanks for the nice words about the nice me, Francois!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 09:05:01 PM

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 26, 2004, 02:30:07 PM

Oh, and no, Hannity and O'Reilly aren't actors, but they're not news commentators either.  

Walter Cronkite was a news commentator. David Brinkley was a news commentator.  Chet Huntley was a news commentator.  Not hacks like Hannity and O'Reilly who are incapable of being impartial and wear their politics on the sleeves of their $3,000 dollar Republican suits.

Cronkite, Huntley and Brinkley were journalists, trained in their profession as reporters.  They were not hired to comment on the news, but to report it.

Hannity and O'Reilly are not journalists, and do not claim to be.  They are, indeed, commentators, people hired to comment on the news.  They serve the same function as an editorial writer or commentary writer in a newspaper.

Disagreeing with how they comment does not change their occupation.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 09:12:13 PM

That was a big part of the problem today, tons of no-show celebs, including Jane Withers, who would have been sitting to my right.  I think there were close to fifteen no-shows - just disgusting if you ask me.  Are we going to achieve a new low tonight?  Nah, let's not.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 09:30:05 PM

I've got to re-do the cookies for tomorrow.  I'm so used to using a bit of cocoa powder in my Tollhouse recipe that I didn't remember that I wasn't using it this time, so I kept waiting and waiting until the cookies turned that familiar shade of brown...oops, too late.

And I'm cooling down the taters for the tater salad.  The "no ingredients" version.  Aparently, the relatives will allow hard-boiled eggs in the salad.  Der Brucer boiled the eggs for me.  For an hour.

At least we both make the same cooking errors.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 09:31:41 PM

Quote from: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 08:36:28 PM

Third in from the right, I do believe.

Jose,

Nope, that's Mr Nick Hommerouge!! :)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 09:32:53 PM

Panni,

Don't thank me!
You deserve them! Yep!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 09:33:24 PM

Good news on the work front: my hours are going way up next week!

Bad news on the work front: Saturday and Sunday I'll be putting in seven hours each day.  

What's so bad about this?  Saturday and Sunday are the main part of the holiday weekend!  I've a hunch I'm going to be facing a madhouse both days.

On the other hand, it might be fun!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 09:36:50 PM

"der shameful Brucer".... no change needed indeed, but I did not know there was a musical with such a title!!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 09:40:34 PM

Tons of no-shows here tonight too, and we are more FAMOUS than some guests of the Hollywood Collector's Show; actually, we are one kind of a piece items, aren't we?!?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Tomovoz on June 26, 2004, 09:46:28 PM

No way will this be all time low day!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: MBarnum on June 26, 2004, 09:52:10 PM

DR MattH!

I loved THE DESPERATE HOURS. And it is quite suspensful.

DR Elmore3003 sent me some screencaptures of Matt B. in a most intimate moment with Emmett. But if you have more just send 'em my way! LOL! I will PM you my e-mail! Thanks!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 09:58:17 PM

Add to our musical titles:

Bring in da Boyz, Bring in da Funk

A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Bed

Gentlemen Prefer Blonds (check your dictionaries, I've spelled it correctly)

I'm Getting My Act Together and Taking It to Studio One

Jacques Brel is Alive and Well and Living With His Boyfriend

(That's enough for now, I've got stuff to do in the kitchen)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Noel on June 26, 2004, 10:07:26 PM

Quote from: Tomovoz on June 26, 2004, 09:46:28 PM

No way will this be all time low day!

Not if I contribute the title,

Teeny Sod

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 10:16:02 PM

Quote from: François de Paris on June 26, 2004, 09:31:41 PM

Jose,

Nope, that's Mr Nick Hommerouge!! :)

Hmm... I thought Mr. Nick Hommerouge was the fourth in from the right.

A la droite...

Un, Deux, Trois, Quatre...

Voila!  Il est la, n'est-ce pas?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 26, 2004, 10:19:53 PM

Quote from: Noel on June 26, 2004, 10:07:26 PM

Not if I contribute the title,

Teeny Sod

Well, there's also Todd's Weeney....

-Well, I may have even have to groan at that one...

Possible TCB sidebar: Groan or moan?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 10:46:09 PM

Why is everyone just sitting there like so much fish?  

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jrand73 on June 26, 2004, 11:04:24 PM

What? No June Wilkinson?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jrand73 on June 26, 2004, 11:07:15 PM

I would have had to ask fellow Hoosier Betsy Palmer about Mr James Dean & Miss Joan Crawford in Queen Bee?

Do the other DR's know that MBARNUM has discovered Miss Lucy Marlow who was in QB  and played Lola Lavery in A STAR IS BORN.  She is the dramatics instructor at a private school in Idaho...and when informed she had  a listing on IMDB, had to be informed what that was....and how to use the computer to see it!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jrand73 on June 26, 2004, 11:09:01 PM

Did anyone watch the BMovie on Animal Planet tonight?  It is coming on again in less than an hour and looked pretty funny.

I think it's a B monster movie redubbed.....

Sorry about your GOJIRA experience MBARNUM...

Oh and which DR (besides JMK) know the Chet Huntley - Frances Farmer connection?

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jrand73 on June 26, 2004, 11:09:19 PM

Everyone ran away.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jrand73 on June 26, 2004, 11:10:11 PM

I always thought that some of the 50's JD movies could be retitled as "special interest"movies....how about the one about the transgendered teen:

Hot Rod, Girl!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: bk on June 26, 2004, 11:12:16 PM

Yes, the Gojira story sadly reflects the time we live in.  Kids cannot just understand movies have context.  I once saw Vertigo at a revival house, and the kiddies (teens) in the audience howled throughout.  It was nauseating, not to mention disrespectful.  Of course, the same idiots who laughed at Gojira sit rapt in attention during Daredevil.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jrand73 on June 26, 2004, 11:22:15 PM

Oh Harold Lloyd is on TCM right now in The Milky Way....1936...what a funny movie.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jrand73 on June 26, 2004, 11:23:24 PM

Mr BK next time you see Betsy Palmer, remind her of the New Year's Eve she sang the Twin Soliloquies from South Pacific on I'VE GOT A SECRET....wowsa...she was a great Nellie Forbush!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jrand73 on June 26, 2004, 11:24:14 PM

Was Mr Butt Guy a dealer or a buyer?  Maybe he would have been interested in The First Nudie Musical!

I saw a show tonight......Naked Boys Singing.....

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jrand73 on June 26, 2004, 11:34:56 PM

Okay...I will go too.

Nytol!

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jay on June 26, 2004, 11:52:42 PM

I was at the Long Beach Playhouse this evening, Dear Readers, to see Lend Me a Tenor, which I somehow had never seen before.  Great farce, nicely done by this community theatre.  I laughed and laughed.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 11:52:51 PM

This batch of cookies turned out much better than the last batch.  But I still prefer my own recipe.  This cooking for an audience, according to their demands, SUCKS!

And I don't mean that in a nice, friendly way.

(I timed how long the cookies were in the oven by watching the timer on the DVD player, while watching the extras on the Night at the Opera disc.  It's nice that Kitty Carlisle is still around to share her memories of the film.)

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 11:54:30 PM

Quote from: Jay on June 26, 2004, 11:52:42 PM

I was at the Long Beach Playhouse this evening, Dear Readers, to see Lend Me a Tenor, which I somehow had never seen before.  Great farce, nicely done by this community theatre.  I laughed and laughed.

Great comedy.  I hope they did the end bit, where the whole show is reviewed in pantomime, as it is written in the script.

Title: Re:THE HOLLYWOOD COLLECTOR'S SHOW
Post by: Jay on June 27, 2004, 12:03:28 AM

Quote from: S. Woody White on June 26, 2004, 11:54:30 PM

Great comedy.  I hope they did the end bit, where the whole show is reviewed in pantomime, as it is written in the script.

They did!