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Title: THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 29, 2004, 11:59:53 PM
Well, you've read the notes, you know the secret of The Last of June, you're ready to ask excellent questions and therefore you simply must post until the cows come home.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 12:21:27 AM
Re the cheesecake/beefcake question... JRand gave a good explanation yesterday. I'll quote for those who missed it:

"Cheesecake in the literal sense is a rich dessert made of cream cheese, butter and sugar.  Cheesecake as a slang term for non hardcore photos of women, leg art, or in short skirts, bathing costumes, etc., first arose in the depths of the depression.  At that time even having the basic necessities of life was difficult, so these lovely girls would have seemed as unattainable to the average reader of the pulp and glossy magazines as a rich, expensive dessert - cheesecake.
Beefcake....came a bit later....the beef referring of course to the muscles."
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: S. Woody White on June 30, 2004, 12:37:36 AM
Also, continueing from yesterday's posts...

I don't think der Brucer needs or wants points.

Well, yes, he deserves them, but they won't matter to him in the long run.  Helping the former midshipman will matter more.

What he may need is a think tank, a group to help him work through problems, ask questions that need asking, even if they seem silly at first.  Some of the suggestions would probably be rejected, but others might be worth pursuing, and if they are ideas he hasn't thought of himself, then everyone might gain.

I'm going to leave it to him to ask the questions he needs to ask.  The response I've seen so far tonight suggests that this is a good group to ask questions, and I think that's a good thing.

In advance, I thank you all.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on June 30, 2004, 04:56:30 AM
Also from yesterday's posts.

The cheesecake and pretzel salad items made me think about when we had Gord's nephew staying here for eight weeks. He's a good kid, but we couldn't change his eating patterns. (He had never before seen homemade macaroni and cheese. And we went through three bottles of ketchup.) I made a cheesecake along the lines of JRand's definition (very rich: lots of cheese, eggs, sour cream). Jason had a bite, but politely told me that his mom's was really awesome. He brought us a slice after a weekend home. You couldn't taste the cheese, the main ingredients being cool whip, dream whip, and jello. At least it didn't have a crushed-pretzel crust.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 05:30:55 AM
TODAY'S VISUAL TREATS

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All pix were taken by Cassini (Huygens not Oleg). More like them can be viewed at Cassini-Huygens Homepage (http://saturn1.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/latest/index.cfm)

der space-traveling Brucer
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Ben on June 30, 2004, 05:44:22 AM
Friends, Romans, HHW men and women, if you haven't listened to Donald's show yet, hie thee over. It's lots of fun and there is a GREAT cover of Lucy and Jessie from Follies done by the amazing and wonderful Janis Siegel (from her new Broadway album). It's up for two weeks due to Donald lounging on the beaches of Hawaii. Go Donald!!!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 06:17:06 AM
Since DR Woody brought up the issue:

The Problem:

Young Midshipmen comes out as Gay and is expelled from the Naval Academy. His first inclination is to get an apartment with his new boy friend, but on reflection, is urged to come back home.

His words:

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I talked with my parents, and they said that if I returned home, we as a family would figure everything out.  That ended up being my course of action.  Little did I know that "working things out" had unstated stipulations.

After spending the first week back home in Florida, with my parents ashamed that I left the Naval Academy before graduating, I sat down and really tried to figure out what to do next.  It has all seemed overwhelming.

Life at home has been challenging.  I knew that it would not be easy.  These days there is a ton of drama, anger, sadness, pain, sorrow, and anguish. The situation is on the verge of becoming critical as my parents are constantly fighting me about everything--even if it has nothing to do with my sexuality.  I wish I could get them to see things from my eyes, but I've almost given up hope.

They have told me that they will never support or accept my being gay, and they say that I have changed--and am a stranger to them.  How do people deal with this when they come out to their family?  I have learned to try and block out what some people say about gays and lesbians.  But how can you block out what your parents say?

How indeed?

My feeble attempts at a reply:

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First of all, don't ever believe "nevers". If your parents were like mine they wore your Midshipman status on the sleeve like a badge of honor - your no-longer being a Midshipman (no matter what the reason) is a grievous blow to their public image so they are working through pain, anger, and resentment just as you are.
 
They say you have changed - and have become a stranger to them - which in many ways is true. The cocoon has turned into a butterfly; but in your case, the metamorphosis was unanticipated and decidedly unwelcome. For your parents the "Tale of the Ugly Ducking" has played out in reverse - their darling baby swan has matured into a big squawking duck.
 
Since we live in a society that seems to always be seeking to fix the blame, your folks are agonizing over "what did we do wrong"!  I'm sure many of your relatives are muttering "What did they do to that boy" in between their groans of "How Could You Do This To Your Parents Who Sacrificed Everything For You". Your extended family all want you to take your homosexuality back to the library and check out a different book - remember, most straights admit they don't understand how anybody could be Gay, and at the same time think all you have to do is "change your mind" and go straight. They have no problem proclaiming "I could never be queer!" but can not listen to "Well, I can never be straight!"
 
It might help to really believe your parents. I'm sure thay always told you that they love you, will always love you no matter what,  and only want what's best for you. Well, trust that they meant it. Cling to the belief that when they ultimately understand that "This is You" and that this is just "You Growing out of your cocoon" they will honor their "I will always love you" promise. Accept that they, too, are going through trying times. Families usually rely on each other for comfort in time of stress, but your family is broken for the moment and all members need to find other avenues of relief. A comment that your family is now "dysfunctional" and needs group counseling is a stock Ann Landers answer - but has merit.
 
Your problem is confounded if your family is not familiar with the many examples of gay men leading happy, fulfilling lives. They no doubt have nightmares of their queer son being bashed in an alley or dying of AIDS at 26. If you have not yet made the acquaintance of PFLAG, I strongly urge you to do so. They not only offer great support to parents learning to deal with having a gay child - they also do great work in helping young gay men and women deal with unaccepting families

(There're 22 PFLAG chapters in FLA, [link to PFLAG] contact one near you - they are by far the best resource available.)
 
You also need a support group beyond the local bar/gym - have you any older gay friends in the area? In this wonderful world of Hi-Tech, even Email friends can be a great resource. (With Email you can vent, ramble, agonize - and never have to look at the other guys face!)
 
And no matter what others might say: this is not a phase you're going through, things might well get worse before they get better - there is light at the end of the tunnel, but unfortunately the road is filed with pot-holes, there are only a few out of date maps and some inaccurate Guide Books, and AAA's number is always busy.

The problem is, I have no good words on how he can approach his parents – they need help as much as he does! As most of us know, advice to “seek counseling” or “find a support group” usually goes unheeded by those who need it the most.

Question:

If it were your nephew, what would you advise?

der Brucer (feeling like Dear Abby)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Ben on June 30, 2004, 06:24:55 AM
There are 14 people here. Of course, 10 of them are guests but who's counting ;-)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jennifer on June 30, 2004, 06:31:00 AM
Good morning all!

Wow, BK, that is terrible news about the back-up play.  If it is true and they made a mistake, are they going to pay you for all the time you've wasted because of their mistake?

I hate incompetence like that!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 06:38:36 AM
Dear Jennifer,

Thinking of you.

Affectionately

Der Brucer

(http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/safety-shirtback.jpg)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jennifer on June 30, 2004, 06:48:40 AM
DR Der Brucer,  this kid got kicked out of the naval academy just for telling them he was gay?

And btw, what did I ever do to make me the anti-gun person at HHW?  But I do love that t-shirt!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jennifer on June 30, 2004, 06:50:06 AM
Oh and here is my question for BK:  You had mentioned that Juliana might continue her journal.  Is she?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: MBarnum on June 30, 2004, 07:31:04 AM
Ah, TO HELL AND BACK, a wonderful Universal-International picture from 1955! And with a great cast of contract players too...Marshall Thompson...Gregg Palmer...Charles Drake...Jack Kelly...David Janssen...Brett Halsey...

So my question for BK and others...what are your favorite 1950s Universal films and who are some of your favorite 1950s Universal contract players?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: MBarnum on June 30, 2004, 07:35:53 AM
Oh, and to answer my own question...

Favorite 1950s Universal contract players:

Allison Hayes
Lori Nelson
Rex Reason
William Reynolds
Merry Anders
Gregg Palmer
Mamie Van Doren
Rock Hudson
John Saxon
George Nader
Gloria Talbott

Fave 1950s Universals:

THING THAT COULDN'T DIE
THERE'S ALWAYS TOMORROW
UNGUARDED MOMENT
ALL THAT HEAVEN ALLOWS
HARVEY
TUMBLEWEED
WE'RE NO ANGELS
STAR IN THE DUST



Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on June 30, 2004, 07:47:48 AM
cheesecake/beefcake. I remember reading a review years ago of an off-broadway play, but can't remember the title. The reviewer, as I recall, said that one of the most moving scenes was when the family presented the father, who was a butcher, with a birthday cake made from ground meat.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: MBarnum on June 30, 2004, 07:49:26 AM
DR JRand, thank you for the link to the new Frances Farmer stuff on DR JMKs sight. Very interesting! I listened to parts of the Lois Kibee interview at work but will have to wait and listen to more when I am in the home environment....but gosh what a find for you guys!

I am almost done with that second FF book...but I am counting on your two to finally discover the "real" FF story!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on June 30, 2004, 07:50:37 AM
Der Brucer,

Your reply was anything but feeble. Your words were thoughtful and caring, and spoken as a friend.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Ben on June 30, 2004, 07:52:21 AM
Karen Carpenter singing You're Just in Love!!!


OMG

It's on this week's radio show folks.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Matt H. on June 30, 2004, 07:53:52 AM
The problem as I see it is that the parents who need the help in dealing with this don't see that they're the problem, and until they WANT help, there's little anyone can do. They seem to insist that their son conform to their demands of what he should be. Until they get that idea out of their heads (and they may not ever see things from a different perspective), I see little hope in getting through to them.

Better to leave them to sorting things out for themselves, making oneself available for their questions but taking oneself away from their condemnation. Life's too short to endure that kind of abuse.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 08:20:41 AM
DR Der Brucer,  this kid got kicked out of the naval academy just for telling them he was gay?

Yup - that's all it takes.

And you get thrown out of any branch of the Services if you admit to being gay (or others identify you as homosexual). Sexual Orientation is considered a pre-disposition to conduct - and homosexual conduct is a crime under The Uniform Code of Military Justice.

The Armed Forces just recently lost a large number of it's Arabic speaking servicemen for being gay.

Here is a Washington Post Editorial (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A34475-2003Apr15?language=printer) on the subject:

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Still No Gay Linguists

Wednesday, April 16, 2003; Page A26

THE UNITED STATES may be at war -- both with al Qaeda and in Iraq -- but the military still knows a domestic threat when it sees one: gay linguists in training. Last year, the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (SLDN), an advocacy group that represents gay men and lesbians trying to serve their country despite the military's irrational "don't ask, don't tell" policy, disclosed that the military had discharged at least 10 linguists, seven of them Arabic-speaking, because of their sexual orientations. The military preferred to exacerbate a governmentwide shortage of Arabic-speakers rather than relax its gay ban, though the policy stigmatizes patriots and injures the military's readiness. You might think the Pentagon would have responded to the negative publicity. But apparently it has been undeterred.

In fact, the SLDN now informs us that the discharge of gay linguists has actually accelerated. The group has represented 24 linguists -- nine speak Arabic, eight Korean, three Farsi, two Chinese and two Russian -- and knows of at least one other case. According to Steve Ralls, the group's spokesman, 22 of the discharges are complete. (The Defense Department did not respond to calls seeking comment regarding the SLDN's claims.) Overall, gay discharges actually declined last year -- as they typically do when the country faces war and cannot afford to spend its time on witch hunts. But the progress has been spotty. So even as some gay men and lesbians are being tolerated temporarily while they help liberate Iraq, others are being kicked out of military language training. This is an enormous waste of human resources, at once self-destructive and unjust. The military cannot afford to brand as unfit for service qualified men and women who wish to put their talents -- whether those lie in combat roles or languages -- in the service of their country.

© 2003 The Washington Post Company

When Clinton was campaigning for President, he promised that he would issue an Executive Order allowing for gay men and women to serve in the Armed Forces.

After his election, when he attempted to fulfill his promise, he met with stiff congressional resistance, spear-headed by Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia (ironically, a fellow Democrat). The Up-shot was the (in)Famous "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. (Prior to this time servicemen were specifically asked if the had "homosexual tendencies" - an affirmative answer was cause for rejection; if latter conduct refuted your denial of "tendencies" you could be discharged under other than honorable conditions. (The Catch22 - they didn't have to prosecute you for the "conduct" - they had you on the lying!).  The character of the discharge meant you lost all your GI benefits (no VA Loans for you) and in many state jurisdictions you were denied professional licensing. (An enlisted man who served under me in the Navy had his application for a Cosmetology License denied by the state of California because he was discharged from the Navy for being a homosexual! Imagine - a Gay Hair Dresser - in San Francisco - never happen!)

Sen. Kerry has suggested that if elected, he would "review" the policy, but made no commitment to change it.

Here is an extract from a PlanetOut (http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2004/06/28/1) news article:

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Kerry hints he'd review "don't ask, don't tell" if elected      
Eric Johnston, PlanetOut Network
      Monday, June 28, 2004 / 06:15 PM

SUMMARY: If he is elected president, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry hinted he might review the "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays in the military.

If he is elected president, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry hinted he might review the "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays in the military.
Kerry commented on the thorny issue in an article published in Monday's edition of the Army Times and its sister publications Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Times.

"It seems to me we are losing a lot of talent for our nation in interpreters, in intelligence, in a lot of different things," Kerry said in the interview. "There must be a way for those people to serve somehow."

Since "don't ask, don't tell" was adopted in 1994, nearly 10,000 military personnel have been discharged, according to data published by the Associated Press and obtained from the Defense Manpower Data Center. They included linguists, nuclear warfare experts and other key specialists.

"Don't ask, don't tell" allows gays to serve in the military only if they keep their sexual orientation private.

"We welcome the opportunity to work with Senator Kerry to review the policy and to allow freedom for gays and lesbians who want to serve openly," said Steve Ralls, director of communications for the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a watchdog organization dedicated to ending discrimination against gay people serving in the military.

Ralls told the PlanetOut Network that such a review was "far overdue."

Kerry said he was not certain the policy should be changed, saying he would "sit down with my lead commanders in the military and figure out whether there is a way to put talented people to work without running into a confrontation with unit cohesion issues and other things that I respect and understand."
Ralls noted Kerry has been a "longtime advocate on behalf of lesbian and gay service members.

"He testified in 1993 on behalf of gay and lesbian service members and voted against 'don't ask, don't tell,'" Ralls said.

der Brucer
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: MBarnum on June 30, 2004, 08:24:20 AM
I think Der Brucer is doing a find job! DB might want to remind the young man that it likely took himself a few years to adjust to the realization that he was gay, and it may also take some of his family members time to adjust as well. It is possible that some may not adjust as well as others but if he continues to love them unconditionally then perhaps they will return the favor...or not...and if not it is no reflection on himself.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 30, 2004, 08:36:51 AM
DR DerBrucer:  I appreciate the young man's acceptance of his parents' offer to come home and work it all out.

I think, however, he could do it better "away" from the family home.  Is he free to go out, make friends and have them over?  Does he have anyone in town to confide in...whom he can go to and unwind, vent, or just hang out with (go to dinner or a movie)?  His parents can cling to one another, but they seem hellbent on giving their son no slack at all.

He needs an emotional outlet. He needs a place he can go where he can put the "family crisis" totally out of his mind.

He needs "to know" that if his parents absolutely and utterly refuse to "accept" him as gay that he can make it on his own without them.

They need to know that, too!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Matt H. on June 30, 2004, 08:37:11 AM
I enjoyed the interview with Patricia Neal on PRIVATE SCREENINGS the other night, but I was a little disappointed that the last film woprk of any kind touched on was THE SUBJECT WAS ROSES (made in 1968). What's been going on in her life since she made that film after that horrific series of strokes? Any films? Stage work? Does she live in LA, England, New York? Just wanted more information, I guess.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jennifer on June 30, 2004, 08:37:14 AM
DR Der Brucer, how exactly do they prove that someone is gay?  And if the people know they will be thrown out why do they admit to it?  Or why do they enroll in the first place?

It's absolutely amazing that this is allowed to go on.

And re: your young friend, I think him living with his family is probably not a good thing right now.  Hopefully his parents will come to accept him, but right now they are not able to do that.  Maybe he could give them some books to read.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 30, 2004, 08:43:33 AM
Good Morning!

-Well, I didn't fall asleep on the "coach" last night - like I did the night before ;) - and I'm feeling much better this morning.  I just always forget how well the A/C works in my parents' house - I woke up feeling a little dehyrdrated and with a dry, sort-a scratchy throat.  Nothing a few glasses of water didn't remedy - along with a glass of orange juice.  In any case...
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 30, 2004, 08:46:22 AM
I caught up with last evening's posts this morning.

Sorry if my posts about opinions being expressed about "DeLovely" and how it uses Porter's music without any references to what caused the opinions to be made upset anyone in any way.

No one here is, of course, accountable to anyone, least of all me.  

I'm one of those strange people who think that if one doesn't wish to explain why one says he hates something/someone or refuses to see something/someone, or to hear something/someone, he or she might reconsider flinging the opinion out into a forum filled with people who like to discuss things.

Folks are always going to ask "why" if the why isn't clear.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 08:51:18 AM
der Brucer - What you said to the young man was, IMHO, excellent. It allows him to understand that his parents love him -- and yet are misguided (to say the least). It's too easy - and at this stage not helpful - to paint the parents as vile and hateful. What he doesn't need right now is to believe that his parents, of all people, don't love him.
As for how to approach the parents - here's one thought for a beginning at least. Maybe you could gather a list of good films (and there are some, including movies for television) about parents coming to an acceptance of their gay offspring. (The trick is to find a few that do not deal with the gay character dying of AIDS!) He could simply ask them to sit with him and watch a film. I would think there is nothing threatening in that. Then talk afterwards about  what they've just watched - not about them, but the movie. At least it might open up conversation.
BTW - I was reading about a book: BEYOND ACCEPTANCE: PARENTS OF LESBIANS AND GAYS TALK ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES by Carolyn Welch Griffin, Marian Jenks Wirth, Arthur G. Wirth  - Sounds like it might be helpful.
Here's a brief review: "Every happy family is alike, and every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way," wrote Leo Tolstoy. Families dealing with a child's homosexuality are certainly forced by a homophobic culture to experience a whole range of unhappiness. Beyond Acceptance deals with a variety of issues facing heterosexual parents of gay children, from facing what the neighbors will say to worrying about AIDS and social ostracism to feeling angry and guilt-ridden.
Various people speak about how they came to their misinformed views about gayness, their religious beliefs, their fears that friends will abandon them after finding out about their child's homosexuality, and their anxieties about AIDS. Often people find similar solutions to their problems, and sometimes different ones, but in all cases the message is that understanding, love, and a need to own up to, and dispense with, ignorant homophobic attitudes can bring families back together in a wholesome and nurturing manner. Frank, informed, and filled with insights and practical suggestions, Beyond Acceptance is a fine addition to the literature on homophobia and families.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: William E. Lurie on June 30, 2004, 08:54:17 AM
In my day, being Gay was one of the best ways to avoid the draft.

Favorite Universal star: Gigi Perreau, also the first movie star I ever met thanks to a relative (one of the many relatives of my mother whose exact relationship I never figured out) who ran the publicity department of Universal-International's Chicago office.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 08:55:48 AM
...and if not it is no reflection on himself.

A key point. I suspect the lad has major self-esteem issues right now - he got booted from a prestigious school and has disgraced his family - all his plans for a future are in the toilet and he has insufficient means to go it alone. I'm sure a knowledgeable psychologist would say that there was a real storm brewing in this kid and outside intervention is crucial.

My challenge now is to set up (by remote control) a support system to help him, and others like him to follow (I'll discuss more in my next post).

der Brucer

Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 08:57:52 AM
I must now write. So I may check in and lurk but not say much for a good part of today.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 08:58:54 AM

Folks are always going to ask "why" if the why isn't clear.

Why? ::)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 30, 2004, 09:00:00 AM
Questions for BK-

Is there a piece of furniture you find yourself attached to?  An heirloom piece of some kind?

-For myself - My bed is the only major piece of furniture I've ever bought - besides bookcases - so that is my favorite piece of furniture.  -And it's very comfortable too.

With all this recent talk of your storage space... Would you like to live in a space/apartment/condo/house where you could keep everything under one roof?  Or do you like the sort of "out of sight, out of mind" arrangement with the storage space?

-For myself - I kind of like the "out of sight, out of mind" arrangement.  -Except, of course, when I need something out of the storage space.  I already have enough "boxes o' stuff" in my apartment, and I think I'd just get overwhelmed by seeing all my stuff every day.  Or at least have some sense of guilt that I wasn't always "paying attention" to said stuff.  ???
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Matt H. on June 30, 2004, 09:03:13 AM
I'd have to say Rock Hudson as my favorite Universal/International contract player. I also liked Julie Adams.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 30, 2004, 09:03:13 AM
As for how to approach the parents - here's one thought for a beginning at least. Maybe you could gather a list of good films (and there are some, including movies for television) about parents coming to an acceptance of their gay offspring. (The trick is to find a few that do not deal with the gay character dying of AIDS!) He could simply ask them to sit with him and watch a film. I would think there is nothing threatening in that. Then talk afterwards about  what they've just watched - not about them, but the movie. At least it might open up conversation.[/i]

Concur.  The Australian film "The Sum of Us," starring Russell Crowe and Jack Thompson would be a very good one to show them.  Thompson and son Crowe live together.  Son is gay.  Father loves/accepts him absolutely.  It's the reactions of others...and the struggles each faces in finding relationships...that the film deals with.   Both are, perhaps, a bit too well-adjusted as father and gay son, but it's an ideal any family can strive to emulate.

"Doing Time on Maple Drive" deals with many issues surrounding a so-called perfect family, including the perfect All-American son coming home, fiancee in tow, and then watching things fall apart as he realizes he can no longer avoid being who he is and cannot prevent his family from finding out.  The effect on the family rings true to me as honest and intelligent.  The family itself has other problems that are also addressed, so they're pretty dysfunctional without the gay issue added to the pile.  But the way it's handled is terrific.  Jim Carrey has a terrific part as the eldest, alcoholic and totally bullied (by his father) son.



Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 30, 2004, 09:03:57 AM
Why? ::)

Because...like me, they can be hardheaded and obnoxious.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 09:04:40 AM
Before I go, having just read the last post about the young man, I want to add... A high school friend of my daughter's was in a very similar situation - except his parents - fundamentalist Christians - told him he was going straight to hell if he didn't mend his evil ways (and at that point he had not been at all sexual, only talked about how he felt). Anyway, when his parents finally kicked him out, the family of a good school friend of his (a girl) took him in. Your young man may have to start looking around for that kind of support system.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Matt H. on June 30, 2004, 09:07:52 AM
One of the TV-movies that I always thought handled this well was CONSENTING ADULT with Marlo Thomas. I don't think it's available on video, and the videotape copy I have was taped on a VCR that was going bad and the tape is jumpy and literally unwatchable. But it was a well made film.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 30, 2004, 09:09:45 AM
A key point. I suspect the lad has major self-esteem issues right now - he got booted from a prestigious school and has disgraced his family - all his plans for a future are in the toilet and he has insufficient means to go it alone. I'm sure a knowledgeable psychologist would say that there was a real storm brewing in this kid and outside intervention is crucial.

My challenge now is to set up (by remote control) a support system to help him, and others like him to follow (I'll discuss more in my next post).

der Brucer

You might want to find out what gay businesses/services exist in the Florida community (or nearby) that he could be referred to.

I'd suspect a good gay business would love to take in, as a trainee, someone like him.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jennifer on June 30, 2004, 09:30:03 AM
I love all the suggestions so far, HHW rocks.

I think one thing to remember is that this is all new for the parents.  They probably had no idea that their son was gay.  And not withstanding their biases against gay people in general, it will probably take them some time to realize that their son is the same person he has always been.

I like the book/movie idea.  I know books helped me a lot when I found out someone very close to me was gay.  I was in shock.  And while I don't have the biases that these parents seem to have, to me there was a difference in knowing someone was gay from the start.  Or only finding out after you've been close to them for a while.  Does this make sense?

Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 30, 2004, 09:39:00 AM
DER BRUCER - It sounds to me like the son and the parents need some time apart right now.  Preferably the sooner the better.  Even if the son could just move in with someone in his home town - family friend, friend from school.  At this point, it's just impossible for either side to take some time to sort out their own thoughts on their own, in their own time.

-I'd write more - and trust me, I could, and have before in similar situations - but I think I need to lay down for a little bit.  My allergy meds are really being "effective" today.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 30, 2004, 09:48:22 AM
OH!  In happier news - well, happier for me!...  The doctor finally got back to me this morning.  He's an ER doc, and he was on call Monday night.  Well, another doc called in sick, so his call was extended until tomorrow(!) morning!!  And since hospitals have restrictions on where you can bring your cell phones...  We're making plans for tomorrow.  :)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 09:51:43 AM
Universal: I like all the Doug Sirk films, but also all their fifties sci-fi.  Always enjoyed Jeff Chandler.

Furniture: I'm not really attached, although I like both my sofas (on which I sit like so much fish) and my bed.  No heirlooms, but I do have a rather nifty antique table that has knobs on the front.  If you happen to turn the left one it turns on a radio, which you wouldn't ever know until you turn it, it's totally hidden and just looks like a table.  From the forties.
I'm also very fond of Charlton Heston's favorite piece of furniture - Leigh Taylor Young.


Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 09:51:52 AM
I think I agree with DRJOSE that it might be best for the young man and his parents to spend time apart right now.  A book or movie could help the parents, but what I think would help them most is talking to other parents of gay adult children.  They probably know some....even if they think they don't.  It will take time.  And maybe they will never accept their son....it happens.  Then again, they may realize that he is the same person he always was.  :)

Most of my favorite U-I contract players are the same as MB's....but I will list them anyway:

Allison Hayes
Mara Corday
Gregg Palmer
Charles Drake
John Saxon
Sandra Dee
Troy Donahue (before Warner Bros)
Rock Hudson

My favorite piece of furniture is my television set!!!

My question for ASK BK day.....I have a book that lists several appearances on the Dinah! show for Miss Lucille Ball.   Were you ever on the show with Lucy?  What was it like?  Did you ever meet or encounter Lucy?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 09:53:15 AM
Juliana: She's been so busy with Wizard of Oz that we haven't had time to discuss the journal.  When she gets back mid-July, we will for sure.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 09:53:17 AM
Ah....and in which film did Mr Douglas Sirk direct Miss Allison Hayes?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on June 30, 2004, 09:54:16 AM
In addition to watching a movie together, the son could find a book for his parents (or either parent) to read at a quiet, less-confrontational time. The book that came to mind is Consenting Adult by Laura Z. Hobson (who wrote Gentleman's Agreement). I imagine the Marlo Thomas movie Matt suggested is based on this book.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 10:00:30 AM
Yes it is DiT

And yes, DRJENNIFER....makes sense to me!  ;D
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 10:09:32 AM
DR Der Brucer,

Quote

A.How exactly do they prove that someone is gay?  
B. And if the people know they will be thrown out why do they admit to it?  
C.Or why do they enroll in the first place?

D.It's absolutely amazing that this is allowed to go on.

E. And re: your young friend, I think him living with his family is probably not a good thing right now.  Hopefully his parents will come to accept him, but right now they are not able to do that.  Maybe he could give them some books to read.

Answers:

A.   If your observed doing “it” with another – they gotcha! If they catch A&B doing “it”, they often suggest that they will be treated more leniently if they will reveal the names of others with whom they’ve done “it”.

B.   If you have been caught in the act, you can be Court Martialed, sent to Federal Prison for 5 years and be given a Bad Conduct Discharge.

Some discussion:

Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Article 125, Sodomy is defined as:

Quote
Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient
to complete the offense.

Explanation. It is unnatural carnal copulation for a person to take into that person’s mouth or anus the sexual organ of another person or of an animal; or to place that person’s sexual organ in the mouth or anus of another person or of an animal; or to have carnal copulation in any opening of the body, except the sexual parts, with another person; or to have carnal copulation with an animal.

Note: Consensual oral sex between a husband and a wife is just a punishable as all the other nasties. I leave “carnal copulation in any opening of the body, except the sexual parts” to more imaginative minds.

Now, in place of a Court Martial, you may be subjected to an Administrative Discharge for really specific reasons like “convenience of the government” “personality incompatible with military service” and other specifics .An Administrative Discharge may be Honorable, General (under honorable conditions), or General (under other than honorable –OTH – conditions. Dishonorable Discharges can only be awarded by a Court Martial.

They government will often bargain with a member concerning the nature of his/her discharge. Confess – and we will give you a General Discharge under Honorable conditions; fight us and, if we have a good case, we’ll send to a Court Martial and potential 5 years and a BCD, if our case is a little weak, we’ll send you to an Administrative Hearing (which has significantly relaxed rules of evidence) and recommend you get a General-OTH discharge.

The key issue is the character of the discharge: if you can wrangle a General (under Honorable conditions) you’ll face few consequences in civilian life; an OTH discharge will cost you most, if not all of your benefits, and a BCD is a Federal Felony conviction on your record for life.


C.   An appointment to a Service academy is a very prestigious thing (not to mention a free, exceptionally valuable, education). Family pressure and financial needs will often drive a youngster to assume he can keep a secret for a few years. (When I was that age, “coming out” was unthinkable, Military or not, today the kids have a few more options, but there is still the family/financial pressure. Also, there are many cases where the young adult does not act on his orientation until his college years.)

D.   Nothing in the arena of man’s cruelty to man amazes me

E.   For a teen-ager with no particular job skills, going it alone is generally not an option. (and considering that many Midshipmen come from sheltered homes and have no idea how to use a washer or a dryer or an iron, or how to cook a meal – going it alone would be a real “experience”).

If the parents were amenable to reading some “good books” most of our problem would be solved.

der Brucer (thanx for your support)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 10:49:57 AM
Last post forty-five minutes ago - you really all aren't going to sit there like so much fish, twiddling your collective thumbs, are you?  We must have some questions, mustn't we?  

It's very gray out again, so I expect the sun will be shining momentarily.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: MBarnum on June 30, 2004, 10:52:17 AM
Ok here is a post.

What is your favorite Jeff Chandler movie then?

Mine is FEMALE ON THE BEACH with, besides Jeff, Joan Crawford, Jan Sterling, and Ed Fury!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: MBarnum on June 30, 2004, 10:55:15 AM
Another set of Abbott and Costello discs coming in August...with Meets Frankenstein, Meets the Invisible Man, and Mexican Hayride.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 10:56:26 AM
There is a new film called AIMEE SEMPLE MCPHERSON by director Richard Rossi that was supposed to have had a sneak preview a week or so ago.  Do any DR's know anything about this film....fascinating subject...Faye Dunaway played ASM in a tv movie years ago.  Mimi Michaels does the honors in this film...shot on DV.

Any news?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 10:58:01 AM
There is a question on the books, MR BK.  See above.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on June 30, 2004, 11:00:01 AM
Jeff Chandler? He's the DP's (dear partner's) DS (dream star). Speaking for Gord, who's a big Julie London fan as well, I would say that Drango is his favorite. I think he also liked Jeanne Eagels; first for Jeff Chandler, then for Agnes Moorehead, last for Kim Novak.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: MBarnum on June 30, 2004, 11:05:26 AM
Is anyone watching or taping the numerous Torchy Blain movies that are playing today on TCM? I have taped 4 or so of them and will try to watch at least one tonight whilst I dine. I have not seen one before but I do like Glenda Farrell...whenever I think of a 1930s wise-cracking news reporter I think of her and/or Lee Tracey.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 11:05:35 AM
DR DerBrucer:  I appreciate the young man's acceptance of his parents' offer to come home and work it all out.

I think, however, he could do it better "away" from the family home.  Is he free to go out, make friends and have them over?  Does he have anyone in town to confide in...whom he can go to and unwind, vent, or just hang out with (go to dinner or a movie)?  His parents can cling to one another, but they seem hellbent on giving their son no slack at all.

He needs an emotional outlet. He needs a place he can go where he can put the "family crisis" totally out of his mind.

He needs "to know" that if his parents absolutely and utterly refuse to "accept" him as gay that he can make it on his own without them.

They need to know that, too!

All so very true…but…

A little background is probably in order.

I am a member of USNA OUT (an organization of gay U. S. Naval Academy Alumni).

In Late May the President of the organization sent out an Email request for assistance: a Sophomore was about to be bounced out for being gay and had no where to go.(He had a “boy friend” in the area and they were thinking of getting an apartment, but had no money)

Some local Alums came to the rescue and gave him shelter until he was ready to go home.

The other day the OUT President forwarded a thank-you Email from the young man, which started off with;

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I wanted to say *thank you* for all the warm responses to my plea for help,
and to give you an update on my situation.  My outprocessing paperwork
stalled, which gave me a little more time to think things through instead of
being forced to make rushed, emotional decisions.  I talked with my parents,
and they said that if I returned home, we as a family would figure
everything out.  That ended up being my course of action.  Little did I know
that "working things out" had unstated stipulations.
….
After spending the first week back home in Florida, with my parents ashamed
that I left the Naval Academy before graduating, I sat down and really tried
to figure out what to do next.  It has all seemed overwhelming.

I have gotten a job as a manager at the Blockbuster video store where I
worked in high school.
Getting financing for a car has been next to impossible.  I am getting back
into school, and have started filling out applications.  I want to major in
Computer Animation or Game Development and Design.


He described the problems with his folks, which I relayed in my post, and I composed a reply which I sent to the OUT President – anticipating that he would forward it on.

So, I have no direct means of contact with the gent and know not where in Florida he resides.

There is a great organization called Parents And Friends of Gays And Lesbians (PFLAG) which specializes in counseling families with gay children (and helping gay children with less-than accepting families. They run support groups that address the “let’s read this book” and “let’s see this movie together” and “can we just talk about it, please”.

I did provide the link to the 20 chapters in Florida for him to use.

I suspect that Blockbuster pay does not permit independent living, and would venture that he has no gay friends in the area.

I sure hope he responds to my Email so I can share all the DR’s good ideas with him.

der Brucer
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jennifer on June 30, 2004, 11:10:48 AM
There are now two bunnies.  My bunny has a friend!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on June 30, 2004, 11:15:19 AM
Another set of Abbott and Costello discs coming in August...with Meets Frankenstein, Meets the Invisible Man, and Mexican Hayride.

What about Abbott and Costello Meet Jeff Chandler? (Abbott and Costello in the Foreign Legion. Well, they don't actually meet him.)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: William E. Lurie on June 30, 2004, 11:18:48 AM
For those DRs who didn't know, Jeff Chandler was Mr. Boynton on radio's "Our Miss Brooks" and the only radio cast member who didn't move to television with the series (he was replaced by Robert Rockwell, best known these days for his Werther's Candy commercials).

And according to Esther Williams' autobiography, Chandler was a secret cross dresser.  Allegedly he and Esther broke up when she found him in a gown of hers.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on June 30, 2004, 11:20:09 AM
I checked to see if Abbott and Costello's Mexican Hayride is based on Cole Porter's. It is (without the songs).

And what a plot! Here it is, as given for the Cole Porter version:

Joe Bascom, an American numbers racket king in Mexico on the run from the FBI, eludes the local authorities (and his wife) by hiding in a hoopskirt, playing flute in a Mariachi band, and selling tortillas as a buck-toothed squaw.  Other characters include female bullfighter Montana, her manager Lombo, David Winthrop of the American Express, and Latin singer Lolita.

Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jennifer on June 30, 2004, 11:22:08 AM
Answers:

A.   If your observed doing “it” with another – they gotcha! If they catch A&B doing “it”, they often suggest that they will be treated more leniently if they will reveal the names of others with whom they’ve done “it”.

This whole thing seems so ridiculous, but how exactly could they catch you doing "it"?  I mean aren't people discreet?  They don't follow people around off campus, so how do they catch you?

I've heard of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".   If they don't want to advocate gay behavior that is one thing.  But in this day and age wouldn't it make more sense for them to just NOT ASK and not throw anyone out.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 30, 2004, 11:23:03 AM
My BK question:  If you could only earn a living performing one of your many talents which one would it be:  acting, singing, directing, composing, record producing, writing?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on June 30, 2004, 11:25:09 AM
Mike Todd produced Mexican Hayride, and it ran at the Winter Garden for nearly 500 performances. June Havoc played the female bullfighter. In her song "There Must Be Someone For Me," she muses: "Ah! La vie, la vie, la vie ..... you'd be dead without it."
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 11:25:58 AM
Like Drango and Female on the Beach and also a western I can't remember the name of - maybe The Jayhawkers?  Was he in Toy Tiger or was that David Janssen?

Update on The Rights saga:

Tammy's mother has now contacted Kenneth Lonergan's agent directly - it turns out the gentleman at Dramatist's Play Service has NOT faxed him our appeal letter from Monday - which means said gentleman lied to us yesterday.  We have faxed it directly.  I don't sit well with lies, but more about that in a minute.

Meanwhile, the other rights holder for our backup play refuses to return calls.  Will not call back.  At my behest, Tammy's mother is about to leave him another message that will say the following: You have not returned my calls and are, in fact, blatantly avoiding them.  You folks offered us this play, proferred a contract, which we signed and returned with payment, prior to your saying there had been a mistake and the rights were not available suddenly and magically.  We have put a large amount of money down on our theater, which is non-refundable and which was put down based on the contract you sent us and the verbal agreement that the rights were absolutely available.  Therefore, we're simply telling you we are doing the play.  Period.  If you have a problem with that, you have until the end of the business day today to call me.  If we need to get legal counsel we will - we have a contract, end of story.  Also, we will go public with what you've done because we feel you are doing all of these things without the author having a clue as to your business practices.  We will shine a very bright light on you.  
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: William E. Lurie on June 30, 2004, 11:26:48 AM
http://www.njagyouth.org/Liberty_.htm

Try this website to see what this weekend will be like in NYC
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 11:27:31 AM
My BK question:  If you could only earn a living performing one of your many talents which one would it be:  acting, singing, directing, composing, record producing, writing?

That is a HARD question!  If the key phrase, however, is EARN A LIVING, then I can at least narrow it down to record producing and writing.  At least for now.  That might change if I give it more thought.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: William E. Lurie on June 30, 2004, 11:31:20 AM
BK - At least you gave away the author.  Is Tammy's mother someone we should have heard of?

It was Jeff Chandler in "Toy Tiger" along with young Tim Hovey who also starred with Charelton Heston in "The Private War of Major Benson".  Both those films used to show up regularly on American Movie Classics, a station that is for all intents and purposes dead with one of its host now doing stock in New Jersey and the other running for office in Kentucky.

Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jennifer on June 30, 2004, 11:38:35 AM
Juliana: She's been so busy with Wizard of Oz that we haven't had time to discuss the journal.  When she gets back mid-July, we will for sure.

Oh. :(

I thought that she would be writing about the Wizard of Oz.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jennifer on June 30, 2004, 11:43:53 AM
Wow BK, way to go.  Sounds like Tammy's mother is a force!  
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 30, 2004, 11:44:00 AM
Good Afternoon!

I just got back from a brief run out to CVS (for soap, shampoo and Claritin) and Starbucks (for some coffee (duh!) and a Black Bottom Cupcake!).  Oh, and I got a shot of Valencia in my coffee too - I really do like that combination of coffee and orange.

*It is, however, kind of scary just how some caffeine can really perk you up.  I'm feeling quite bright-eyed and bushy-tailed right now.  -And, actually, the outside temp, the heat, actually felt good too.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 11:53:01 AM
Tammy's mother isn't quite the force yet - she's afraid to burn bridges, but I think within the next couple of hours she will BE the force.  She's first trying to go through the other author's (backup play) agent, which happens to be William Morris here in LA, who I'm also with (different agent, but the same soup).  But if nothing happens she'll make the call we want her to make.  Tammy's mother has worked at Primary Stages and the Variety Arts Theater, and for several different producers.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: S. Woody White on June 30, 2004, 11:56:28 AM
There are now two bunnies.  My bunny has a friend!
And how quickly can you learn to count beyond two?   ;D
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jennifer on June 30, 2004, 11:59:18 AM
BK, if you want the call to be made, why don't you make it yourself?

Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: S. Woody White on June 30, 2004, 12:03:41 PM
I've heard of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".   If they don't want to advocate gay behavior that is one thing.  But in this day and age wouldn't it make more sense for them to just NOT ASK and not throw anyone out.
The full title was supposed to be "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Pursue."  The result instead has been that men and women in the military ARE asked, and ARE pursued.  Sense has nothing to do with the issue.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 12:09:14 PM
I will ultimately make the call if necessary - but since I haven't spoken to any of these people it would sort of come out of nowhere - which is fine, if that's what it takes.

I see td lurking there.  Post, my boy.  And also, check your PMs.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: S. Woody White on June 30, 2004, 12:11:37 PM
Re furniture:

The only piece (or pieces) of heirloom furniture I own is the head and foot boards from my Grandfather's bed.  (The rest of the bed self-destructed long ago.)  They have no real value, other than that they were his and are now mine.  The headboard is still serving that function with my new bed, between the bed and one of my room's windows.  The footboard is located below the other window, more decorative than functional, but looking very good there.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 30, 2004, 12:15:48 PM
AMC has been dead for years now...ever since they got rid of Bob Dorian and Nick Clooney and started showing commercials and worse films...films that aren't necessarily classics.   Nick, who I know, had a column in the Cincinnati Post three times a week and was a DJ on one of the local Cincy stations before he began his run for Congress in Northern Kentucky.  He still crops up on the Good Times Network, introducing the classic Warners TV detective and cowboy shows.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Noel on June 30, 2004, 12:16:52 PM
Yes, I've seen a wild rabbit here in the city of New York.  I was bicycling on Ward's Island.  Very few people ever visit Ward's and Randall's Island (they've become connected since I started visiting them, but they're smack dab between Manhattan, Queens and the Bronx.  A lot of people ride over them, high up on the well-named Triborough Bridge.

The woman who married my grandfather in the sixties played a lead in Hogan's Goat for much of its run.  Perhaps some of you saw Lilyan Wilder.

I've been reading the notes quickly, since I'd no time at all yesterday.  Is it true we're to be getting a weekly sexy picture of Allison Frasier?  I can't wait.

Last night, a friend gathered a bunch of us to Don't Tell Mama so he could sing a song to his girlfriend.  Except the pianist there didn't feel comfortable sightreading Jason Robert Brown, so I was pressed into service.  At the end of the number, (Next Ten Minutes) he called the girlfriend up and proposed marriage to her as I underscored.  She said yes, tearfully.

Ask BK:
As you know, I've been savoring the Kritzer books very slowly, taking my time with them.  (I've now passed page 300 of Kritzer Time), so now I want to know something that many already know:
What was the deal with the CDs that went with each book?  Could you only get them if you bought through this here website?
Can one still get them?
Will one be able to get them ever again?
What was on them?  (I know some of Benjamin's early songs must have been on one.)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 12:23:06 PM
The CDs feature songs that are referenced in the book - five songs per CD, and the Kritzer Time CD also features four of Benjamin's songs.  They were only available here at HHW, but I'm happy to send them if you send me your address, although it will have to be a CDR of the first, as we've run out of that one.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: td on June 30, 2004, 12:33:04 PM
I feed the rabbits in my back yard.  Of course they love the clover which grows naturally, but they also get all of my vegetable scraps.  Minx and the rabbits have an understanding; they are her friends, she'll stand wathing a bunny while it nibbles the clover without ever drawing her leash taut.
I've never asked if any of the rabbits were gay.
I'm viewing a very strange -well, no stranger than MONSTER - - Australian film called CHOPPER.  It stars Eric (THE HULK, TROY) as a notorious criminal.

(http://www.classicadelaide.com.au/ca/news/images/ericbana1.jpg)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Stuart on June 30, 2004, 12:38:29 PM
There is a great organization called Parents And Friends of Gays And Lesbians (PFLAG) which specializes in counseling families with gay children (and helping gay children with less-than accepting families. They run support groups that address the “let’s read this book” and “let’s see this movie together” and “can we just talk about it, please”.

I am proud to say that the mother of DR Jay and myself was a charter member of the South Orange (CA) chapter of PFLAG, and was its treasurer from its inception until very recently.  It's a terrific organization.

There's a funny story that goes with this.....

As one of the PFLAG fundraisers, they were selling those plastic rainbow mobiles (the ones where the plastic is translucent, concentric ovals).  Nice idea, but not necessarily everyone's taste.  Not mine, and not my dear partner's.  

Just before we were moving up to Rochester, we had some dear friends over for dinner, in the midst of boxes and piles of things to throw out.  (I felt a bit guilty about throwing out something my mother gave me...)  My friend Larry, who has known my mother for many years, and who exchanges holiday cards with her, happened to notice said mobile.  I told him I plum forgot that my mother sent one for their house upstate.

"Oh, how sweet....blah blah blah..."

And we go on to chat about other things and whatnot....

As they were about to leave, Larry mentioned that he would dash a thank you note to my mother later that week......

PLEASE DON'T!, I practically scream.

"Why not?"

(Said sheepishly....)  "'cause she didn't really send it for you, and we just can't throw out something that was for a good cause....but it's hideous and we don't want it, but have a problem throwing it out....."

"It IS hideous, isn't it?"

PS, we tossed it down the incinerator when we walked them to the elevator.

PPS:  Jay, please don't tell mom......
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Stuart on June 30, 2004, 12:39:46 PM
I think that was the longest post I have ever written here at HHW.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Stuart on June 30, 2004, 12:41:46 PM
I'm viewing a very strange -well, no stranger than MONSTER - - Australian film called CHOPPER.  It stars Eric (THE HULK, TROY) as a notorious criminal.

(http://www.classicadelaide.com.au/ca/news/images/ericbana1.jpg)

DR TD:  Just because you bring up the arcane film you are viewing does not gloss over the fact that you posted a tangential beefcake photo along with it! ;)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 30, 2004, 12:50:25 PM
And how quickly can you learn to count beyond two?   ;D

If they're gay bunnies, counting "beyond two" isn't required.  Of course, with dinner parties, they will want to observe 2, 4, 6, 8 to avoid having an odd number at the table.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: td on June 30, 2004, 12:51:30 PM
But, Stuart, if I had wanted to post a beefcake picture of Bana, there are plenty of them. . . .if you look in all the right places.   ;) Casual is not beefcake, that i know of, and Mr. Bana looks nothing like that in CHOPPER. . . .
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 12:56:50 PM
MR BK - if the show you are talking about is THE LOBBY HERO....I do know the man who produced it in Toronto if that is of any help to you.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 01:06:20 PM
The ORIGINAL play we were going to do is Lonergan's This is Our Youth.  The backup play isn't by Lonergan.  I've just written an e-mail to the rights holder for the backup play - strong, but nice and impassioned and that e-mail is being forwarded to the author.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 01:10:45 PM
Fingers crossed.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 01:12:55 PM
Isn't it amazing how something that should be so simple should suddenly become SO complicated?  Especially when said something is really a BENEFIT to said person making it so complicated?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jennifer on June 30, 2004, 01:18:51 PM

At the end of the number, (Next Ten Minutes) he called the girlfriend up and proposed marriage to her as I underscored.  She said yes, tearfully.

I read this three times and I kept thinking you meant HE CALLED HER ON THE PHONE.  And I kept thinking "why would he propose to her over the phone?"

Anybody else think that?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Matt H. on June 30, 2004, 01:19:10 PM
In addition to watching a movie together, the son could find a book for his parents (or either parent) to read at a quiet, less-confrontational time. The book that came to mind is Consenting Adult by Laura Z. Hobson (who wrote Gentleman's Agreement). I imagine the Marlo Thomas movie Matt suggested is based on this book.


Yes, it is. I have the book. The book is more detailed but both cover the same basic story, of course. I believe she based this on her own experiences with her son.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Stuart on June 30, 2004, 01:23:55 PM
I read this three times and I kept thinking you meant HE CALLED HER ON THE PHONE.  And I kept thinking "why would he propose to her over the phone?"

Anybody else think that?

Guilty.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Matt H. on June 30, 2004, 01:25:43 PM
I agree with those who chose FEMALE ON THE BEACH as my favorite Jeff Chandler movie. Of course, he's just fine, but the movie belongs to Joan Crawford giving one of her most grandiose performances. The material isn't really worthy of such effort, but watching it now, it's the height of camp (which always works when the folks involved believed what they were making was earnest drama - just like VALLEY OF THE DOLLS). There is a mystery of sorts that's not too difficult to solve but is still OK.

The other Jeff Chandler picture I like is IRON MAN. Rock Hudson is in that also in a supporting role.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 01:34:06 PM
Guilty.

::hangs head, sheepishly::

Me, too.

anonymous
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 30, 2004, 01:58:01 PM
A question for BK or anyone who can answer. Just got an email from Denny Miller.  He has heard from a bookdealer friend of mine who wants to write a book review for the book and handle the book for him on Amazon.  Denny was curious what sort of split would come from Amazon/author/dealer?  Anybody know?  I don't.

It's not a big deal,  because I know the dealer is reputable.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 01:59:48 PM
Did Denny self-pub?  His publisher, no matter who, should automatically have it on amazon.  But amazon will list it no matter what.  I'm not sure what their split is, but I do know that Denny can set the price and get what he needs to get.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 02:01:15 PM
Valley of the Dolls reminds me... The new too trendy by far but cute restaurant with the Keane paintings where I ate last night (BREATHE)...had very attractive young female parking people out front waiting to take the patrons' too trendy cars. The sign in front of their stand, of course, read "VALET OF THE DOLLS"...
                                                                                (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/auto/car-smiley-006.gif)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Noel on June 30, 2004, 02:01:16 PM
Feels like I've just had the last spoonful of a C. C. Brown hot fudge sundae I've been lingering over for so long, I've lost account of the time.  It's been delicious; it's been a reverie, but I've now finished Kritzer Time.

A nostalgic moment that might not have hit other readers as deeply as it did me was when young Benjamin discovers some chords that don't normally go together, accidentally, and writes a song using them.  Those were the days!

There were SO many similarities, of course, between my life and Benjamin Kritzer's.  Such similar geography, and while I was never in to movies to nearly that extent I did, as a boy, take myself to theatre of interest.  By then, the Shubert had been built, which was much more convenient (bike-able).  And now they're tearing it down.

The big difference, as I see it, is that whenever I wanted something, be it a stop-watch or a radio, I was always told we couldn't afford it.  Soon, I learned to stop asking.  As I got older, I noticed my father's penchant for buying himself expensive gifts whenever it took his fancy (ooh, a Cy Coleman reference), whether he was in the chips or not, and my mother's clucking disapproval.

I've had such a wonderful time with the Kritzer books, cried out loud over the epilogue, and very much look forward to the upcoming mysterious book (and record).
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 02:12:42 PM
Thanks, Noel, for your lovely words.  Now that you've finished the trilogy please feel free to write more lovely words over at amazon.com, and please cut and paste THESE lovely words onto the Kritzer board right here.

And remember, C.C. Brown's hot fudge IS available online and it's ever so yummilicious.  

The Shubert has been closed for over three years now.   They have been 'tearing it down' ever since and yet it is still there, standing empty.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 02:13:20 PM
Same thing with the Tiffany Theater on Sunset.  Closed for three years because it was going to be torn down and an office building put up.  Still there, standing empty.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 02:17:53 PM
Also, we will go public with what you've done because we feel you are doing all of these things without the author having a clue as to your business practices.  We will shine a very bright light on you.  

Watch dog assures you that the law's the law
No exception to the rule, Watch dog ain't no fool.
Watch dog will throw his little light on you.
If some folks don't toe the line, Watch dog's light will shine!

::Guy Haines Singers::

Shine, shine, shine....
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 30, 2004, 02:20:41 PM
Denny is self-published.  I don't know that the book is on Amazon or not, but this dealer...who I just talked to will also carry them in his store and is talking about getting Ingraham's to handle them.  Knowing this guy for years, I expect he'll give Denny a great deal and take little or nothing for himself.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Matt H. on June 30, 2004, 02:22:52 PM
Remember that early scene in the movie ROSIE where Rosalind Russell is on stage singing "Everybody Loves My Baby" (no dubbing!) in a theater her character is trying to keep from being torn down? What theater was that in LA? Is it still there.

And how about ROSIE on DVD, Universal?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 02:23:28 PM
That's cool.  I'm just curious - did he do the whole thing himself, or did he do it through a company?  There are several online - if he did it through one of those, they've most likely already listed it on Ingram's and amazon.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 02:39:49 PM
Does the book have an ISBN number?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: MBarnum on June 30, 2004, 02:49:19 PM
DR CP, will Denny Miller be doing any promotions for his book? I know that I would like very much to get it and if he might possibly make an appearance in the Portland metro area that would be fun!

Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 30, 2004, 02:49:37 PM
The book has an ISBN number; published by someone company called TO HEALTH WITH YOU PUBLISHERS,LLC out of Las Vegas where Denny lives and the name of the publishers sounds conspicuously like a Denny Miller pun.  The book was designed by Brian Bohnett of Mad King Publishers in Chicago.  Brian is a member of the Burroughs Bibliophiles and I think, through Mad King, re-publishes privately Edgar Rice Burroughs' novels.  So if Denny's book has been printed up by him privately he may not know all the ins and outs of Ingrams and Amazon.  The ISBN is 0-9753917-0-4.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 02:53:11 PM
DRCP if Mr Miller has a professional who has offered to help him promote his book, I think he should take advantage of it.  

Right now.....if I wanted to buy his book on Amazon.com, I couldn't because there is no listing.  If someone knows how to do that and all the other things listed....and you know him as reputable....I say go for it.  A book without a reader is like a night without a star.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 02:53:17 PM
JRand...are you asleep?

The topic is Jeff Chandler pictures.

Ever heard of "Sign of the Pagan"?

der Brucer (ever the prompter)

Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: George on June 30, 2004, 02:59:48 PM
Does the book have an ISBN number?

Okay, here is your library lesson of the day (from the library employee):  "ISBN" stands for International Standard Book Number.  To say (or write) "ISBN number" is redundant.  It's not an "International Standard Book Number number."  This ends your library lesson of the day!  You're now free to go about your lives knowing this most unimportant bit of information. ;D
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 03:02:47 PM
1. On topic - Jeff Chandler
2. Equal opportunity picture - Beefcake meets Cheesecake

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/4436247/58499487.jpg)
Chandler quote (from Meredy (http://meredy.com/meredy.com_non_ssl/jeffchandler/):

Quote
Personal Quote: Chandler told columnist Sheila Graham about his role in Jeanne Eagles (1957): "I thought that for once I could keep my shirt on and not have to shave my chest. But today, for a man to be a hit on the screen, he has to take his shirt off."

der Brucer

Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 03:07:13 PM
LOL DRGEORGE....yes, of course...sort of like Manos: The Hands of Fate....yes.

Yes DERBRUCER....but SIGN OF THE PAGAN was the answer to a question I asked MR BK today and since he hadn't answered yet, I hadn't pointed it out.

Yes Mr Jeff Chandler and Mr Jack Palance (as Genghis Khan) with Miss Allison Hayes in a supporting role....who dispatched Mr Palance with a sword at the movie's end.  Ta-da!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 03:08:12 PM
I can't see the picture in your post DerBrucer!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 03:09:37 PM
More Jeff Chandler tid bits:

(From Meredy's Fan Site (http://meredy.com/meredy.com_non_ssl/jeffchandler/))

Quote
When his friend Sammy Davis Jr. lost an eye in an accident and was in danger of losing the other, Chandler offered to give Davis one of his own eyes.

IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/mptv/1017/Mptv/1017/0009-2198.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Chandler,%20Jeff%20(I)) has an interesting picture of Chandler with Tony Curtis and Sammy Davis, Jr. all wearing eye patches.

Quote
Jeff Chandler died tragically at age 42. He injured his back in April of 1961 while in the Philippines making what turned out to be his last film Merrill's Marauders [1961). He entered a Culver City hospital and had surgery for a herniated spinal disc on May 13, 1961. There were severe complications, an artery was damaged and Chandler hemorrhaged. In a seven and a half hour emergency operation over and above the original surgery, he was given an enormous amount of blood, 55 pints. Another operation followed, date unknown, where he received an additional 20 pints of blood. An average adult has about 14 to 18 pints of blood, so his entire blood volume was replaced 4 to 5 times! Chandler fought hard to live, but expired June 17, 1961. His death was deemed malpractice and resulted in a large lawsuit and settlement for his children.

This condradicts other sources which give "blood poisoning" as the cause of death.

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/4436247/58500471.jpg)

Who's the gal on the right?

der Brucer (still pluggin')
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 03:10:43 PM
I can't see the pics....only red x's!!!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 03:12:49 PM
Am I remembering correctly about The Jayhawkers and Chandler?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 03:14:57 PM
Yes, I am - Jeff, Fess Parker and Nicole Maurey, directed by Melvin Frank (!) and written by A.I. Bezzerides (screenplay for Kiss Me Deadly, I believe).  The other western I'm vaguely remembering as a Chandler is Thunder in the Sun.  Let me check on that one.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 03:16:04 PM
My memory amazes me - Thunder in the Sun, Jeff and Susan Hayward.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 03:20:34 PM
The Jayhawkers was my favorite of the two!

MR BK you didn't answer my Dinah! question.  ;-(  posted many hours ago.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jay on June 30, 2004, 03:21:30 PM
PPS:  Jay, please don't tell mom......

Oh.  An almost Kander & Ebb reference.

And a delectable invitation to blackmail!

 :D
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 03:24:02 PM
LOL.....I saw that the PFLAG rainbow mobiles were going for nearly $2000 on EBAY....anybody know where I can get one?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 03:25:26 PM
Page Five Dance!   ;D
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 03:31:39 PM
I can't see the pics....only red x's!!!

I think I fixed the first one - damn Brians Drive_in links don't work.

I'm working on the second - first try drove us to Todd AO!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 30, 2004, 03:32:31 PM
Actually, SIGN OF THE PAGAN was Jack Palance as Attila the Hun (not Genghis Khan) with Rita Gam as his daughter, I think.  Directed by Mr. Douglas Sirk.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 03:34:45 PM
That's right CP...Attila....but he was just as dead when Allison poked him.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 03:35:10 PM
You can't hotlink from geocities sites.  
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Emily on June 30, 2004, 03:35:32 PM
Der Brucer, your correspondence with that young man got me thinking about Canadian military responses to homosexuality.

I was shocked.

It has only been since 1992 that gays and lesbians have been "allowed" to openly serve in any of the branches of the armed services here.  

While doing my web search I came across a website that you may be familiar with from your affiliation with your alumnae group.  This article in particular was especially interesting (and hopeful) for me:

http://www.gaymilitary.ucsb.edu/Publications/CanadaPub1.htm
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 30, 2004, 03:35:55 PM
Good Afternoon!

Well, it's time for me to get ready to head off to the Trap of Wolf and see and hear Ms. Linda Ronstandt accompanied by the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra.  :D

See you after the concert.

Behave! ;)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 03:37:31 PM
Ah DR DERBRUCER, yes the young lady on the right is indeed Miss District of Columbia 1949, solo pianist with the American Youth Orchestra, and co-host of WBAL's Morning Talk Show, Mary Jane (Allison) Hayes!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 03:45:09 PM
DREMILY a lot of Canadian politicians have been on US television in the past week.   They are about as interesting as their US counterparts....and make about as much sense...sometimes.  But their suits are nice!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 03:49:41 PM
I am a FRENZY....but now I am off to rehearsal.  Laterz!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: MBarnum on June 30, 2004, 03:54:35 PM
(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/4436247/58500471.jpg)

Who's the gal on the right?

der Brucer (still pluggin')

JRand, would that be Ludmilla Tcherna (sp?)...the gal who played Jeff's sort of love interest?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jay on June 30, 2004, 03:57:05 PM
From tomorrow's New York Times.

I guess the type has now evolved to vealcake.

Edited to remove photo to put screen width back to normal.  See below for shunken image of photo (thanks to Dear Reader Der Brucer) and link to article.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 03:59:23 PM
From tomorrow's New York Times.

I guess the type has now evolved to vealcake.

But it's still Kosher, is it not?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: George on June 30, 2004, 04:02:33 PM
LONG POST:  A few days ago, I finally re-connected my stereo system together (even the speakers!) and was able to correctly hook it to my computer so that I can again make CDs from my vinyl albums!  Here are some questions for BK and anyone who makes CDs from albums (these are "just curious" kinds of questions):

1) When I record a record (re-CORD a RECK-erd) to my computer and I break up the big giant .wav file, I just break it into chunks and don't change the amount of time in between songs and I don't mute the "silence" (in other words, leaving all the hiss) between the tracks.  Does anyone else do it this way or do you totally mute it between the tracks to eliminate the hiss and standardize the amount of time in between each track as well?

2) Do any of you have scanners and (if you do) do you scan the record jacket to make it look like a mini-album or do you just create a simple text document with the title, tracks, performer, etc.?  When I scan record jackets, I always have to scan each side (front and back) at least four times and assemble the pictures into one because the scanner bed is only 8-1/2 x 11 inches and the jackets are 12-1/2 (or so) inches square.  How many of you (if any) go through this hassle?

3) How much time/energy/effort do you take to clean up pops, hiss, scratches, etc.?  What program(s) do you use and is it (are they) any good?  I have something called DC Art (I think, I'm not at my computer at home) to clean up pops and hiss.  It's just okay mainly because I haven't taken time to learn it.  The .pdf file owner's manual, if printed out, would be 160 pages!!  I also can manually remove some of the louder pops, but it's a very tedious process.

Like I said, these are "just curious" kinds of questions.  That's it for now.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jay on June 30, 2004, 04:04:07 PM
Only in America would the nation's newspaper of record, which according to mission and legend publishes all the news that's fit to print, run a photograph of the governor of the most populous state in the Union holding a threatening looking weapon of mass destruction.  The exposed nipples, I suppose, are simply a coup de grace.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 04:06:38 PM

While doing my web search I came across a website that you may be familiar with from your affiliation with your alumnae group.  This article in particular was especially interesting (and hopeful) for me:


Yes. I know of the group, in fact I recently received the following message:

Quote
Aaron Belkin, Director of the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military at UCSB, is about to break a BIG story with the Associated Press about data he and his team have recently collected.

Aaron needs someone in the Bay Area who was discharged under DADT, who would be willing to be photographed (and interviewed).

der Brucer (note: Aaron Belkin was the co-author of the study you referenced)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 04:14:25 PM
Why are we so wide?  Can someone fix or tell me which post it is.

Jrand, can you reask your Dinah question so I don't have to go hunt for it?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Ron Pulliam on June 30, 2004, 04:16:42 PM
I'm pretty sure it's DR Jay's photo of Hollywood leading men from a newspaper.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: MBarnum on June 30, 2004, 04:18:28 PM
I think JRand is gone to rehearsal, but I believe his question was along the lines of your having appeared on the Dinah show several times...and that Lucille Ball also appeared on her show. Did you ever appear on the show at the same time as Lucy? Or did you otherwise ever cross paths with her?

If so then tell of your experience in explicit detail.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 04:19:53 PM

Like I said, these are "just curious" kinds of questions.  

(http://www.babyheirlooms.com/images/site_images/10_inch_curious_george.jpg)

der Brucer (taking an easy shot)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: George on June 30, 2004, 04:20:58 PM
If so then tell of your experience in explicit detail.

Well, maybe not that explicit! ;)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: George on June 30, 2004, 04:21:22 PM
(http://www.babyheirlooms.com/images/site_images/10_inch_curious_george.jpg)

der Brucer (taking an easy shot)

 ;D
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 04:33:07 PM
Why are we so wide?  Can someone fix or tell me which post it is.


Here is a reduced version of Jay's pic:

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/4436247/58504210.jpg)

Here is a blow up of the portion commented upon:

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/4436247/58504762.jpg)

Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jay on June 30, 2004, 04:37:58 PM
I deleted the Cinerama photo from the New York Times.

I'll provide the link to the article here, but now everyone will [rhymes with "witch"] about having to register to see it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/01/movies/01MEN.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/01/movies/01MEN.html)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 04:40:10 PM
You can't hotlink from geocities sites.  

I know - but Brian's Drive-In isn't a Geocities site.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: td on June 30, 2004, 04:41:14 PM
I deleted the Cinerama photo from the New York Times.

I'll provide the link to the article here, but now everyone will [rhymes with "witch"] about having to register to see it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/01/movies/01MEN.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/01/movies/01MEN.html)

Not if some of us are already registered. ;)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 04:41:39 PM
I deleted the Cinerama photo from the New York Times.

I'll provide the link to the article here, but now everyone will [rhymes with "witch"] about having to register to see it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/01/movies/01MEN.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/01/movies/01MEN.html)

Nope - The Good Fairy (rhymes with Mary) came to the rescue already.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jay on June 30, 2004, 04:45:04 PM
Nope - The Good Fairy (rhymes with Mary) came to the rescue already.

And I altered my post to give due credit to the Good Fairy (rhymes with Mary) who edited down the size of the photo.

(Mary, Merry, Marry.  Fairy, ferry.....  Oh, never mind.)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 04:46:47 PM
On the subject of media ads:

The following appears on the back cover of Nation magazine:

Click to see AD (http://www.pleasevote.com/)

Is this what our political system has become?

der Brucer
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 04:47:32 PM
RE Jeff Chandler and Esther Williams:
Miss Williams  writes that after discovering her lover in makeup and flowered chiffon, she first declared, "You look like Betsy Bloomingdale," then broke off the romance with this parting shot: "Jeff, you're too big for polka dots."
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jay on June 30, 2004, 04:53:14 PM
On the subject of media ads:

The following appears on the back cover of Nation magazine:

Click to see AD (http://www.pleasevote.com/)

Is this what our political system has become?

der Brucer

I'll agree with you on this one, Dear Reader der Brucer.  Faked imagery such as this is unnecessary, disrespectful and mean-spirited to the core.  It tarnishes our political system.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jay on June 30, 2004, 04:56:20 PM
I gotta run.  It's another night of "Last Remaining Seats."  Tonight the venue is the Los Angeles Theatre, the decoration of which was designed to resemble that of the Palace at Versailles.  The feature film tonight is It Happened One Night.  Before the feature, they will run a restored Metrotone newsreel from 1934.

Keep the home fries burning, Dear Readers, and I shall check in upon my return.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Sandra on June 30, 2004, 05:18:26 PM
I have nothing to say except that I want doughnuts.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: George on June 30, 2004, 05:20:11 PM
On the subject of media ads:

The following appears on the back cover of Nation magazine:

Click to see AD (http://www.pleasevote.com/)

Is this what our political system has become?

der Brucer

This is...how shall I put it?  Extreme!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 05:22:08 PM
TCB - enter stage right!

Your fans await!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: George on June 30, 2004, 05:29:46 PM
Meanwhile, back at the farm... ;)

Playbill.com has this new article:
Brent Barrett [the WSMA! ("World's Sexiest Man Alive" in HHW lingo)] to Star in Regional Premiere of Ludwig's Leading Ladies (http://www.playbill.com/news/article/87086.html)

Could he be heading to Broadway?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Tomovoz on June 30, 2004, 05:36:57 PM
TCB - enter stage right!

Your fans await!
Unlikely as his computer at home is dead and his workplace is not supportive of his HHW habit.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Tomovoz on June 30, 2004, 05:37:30 PM
On the other hand he must be at the library!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: TCB on June 30, 2004, 05:40:33 PM
Good evening der Brucer, Sandra, RLP, George, and anyone else who popped in after I checked the top of the page!

I am back at the public lie-berry for my 15 minutes on the internet.  Computer is still dead at home, and I am no longer able to post from work (but come Friday afternoon when most everyone else is gone -- look out).

Hope all is well.  Sorry if I am missing birthdays and other celebrations.  I will eat a ham chunk tonight just in case.

Take care.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: TCB on June 30, 2004, 05:42:24 PM
Sorry, Tomovoz, I didn't see you there!

Hugs, my friend!


Weird!  I don't even know what the e-mail bracket is for?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: DERBRUCER on June 30, 2004, 05:47:43 PM
Good evening der Brucer, Sandra, RLP, George, and anyone else who popped in after I checked the top of the page!

I am back at the public lie-berry for my 15 minutes on the internet.  

Will contact Wathol and see if you can get an extra few minutes!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: TCB on June 30, 2004, 05:52:38 PM
Meanwhile, back at the farm... ;)

Playbill.com has this new article:
Brent Barrett [the WSMA! ("World's Sexiest Man Alive" in HHW lingo)] to Star in Regional Premiere of Ludwig's Leading Ladies (http://www.playbill.com/news/article/87086.html)

Could he be heading to Broadway?


Thanks for the link, George.  Who would have ever thought that I would be wishing I could be in Cleveland!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 06:01:28 PM
I missed TCB's brief visit. Darn!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 06:02:10 PM
The library here allows an hour. Much more civilized.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Robin on June 30, 2004, 06:03:46 PM
Right now, I'm having a Vernor's Ginger Ale out of a 12-pack that a co-worker lugged all the way from Michigan's Upper Peninsula, just for me.  

Dee-lish!

As for ask BK day:

What is your most inexplicable personal quirk?  

(Actually, anyone can answer this...I love people with odd quirks.  For me, it's solid-color clothing.  Patterns, stripes, polka-dots...can't abide 'em.  Hate 'em!  They're okay...on other people.  But on me...no way, ain't gonna happen!)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: td on June 30, 2004, 06:22:01 PM
For those truly interested in beefcake:

http://www.fisheye-photo.com/images/beefcake.jpg (http://www.fisheye-photo.com/images/beefcake.jpg)

I missed the fifteen minutes in which TCB was online!   :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 30, 2004, 06:58:46 PM
Robin, I'm a solid colour man myself.  I have a couple of summer short sleeves that have patterns...one or two...but for the most part, I eschew patterns, stripes, etc.  

I also like only autumn colours...greens, browns, reds, yellows, and oranges.  Aside from a couple of pairs of blue jeans...I have almost no blue.  I have one black shirt that my brother sent me one Christmas, but aside from it and my tux, I never wear black either.  I hate the way it has become the uniform colour of the so-called hip these days.  So many people wear it who just do not look good in it.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 07:31:14 PM
Dinah:  Dinah had two shows - her long-running talk show (where Lucy and others appeared) and our variety show, Dinah and Her New Best Friends (where Lucy didn't appear, but where Lola Falana, The Doobie Brothers, Paul Williams and a few others DID appear).  I never met Lucy - came close, though, because Lucy used to play backgammon with my cousin Dodo.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 07:32:39 PM
Personal quirk - even though I hate it, I clear my throat way too much.  Don't know why, really, but I wish I could stop doing it.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jason on June 30, 2004, 07:34:05 PM
I'm bored. We went to Lexington to visit my maternal grandfamily, which was wonderful, and after that we went out for dinner at one of the restaurants on my list. Of course, for lunch, I also ate at a restaurant on my list. Hehe...

Now I'm watching Mr. Alton Brown's culinary TV show. Whee!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Matt H. on June 30, 2004, 08:33:12 PM
Got some DVDs in the mail today like PRICK UP YOUR EARS, DRIVING MISS DAISY (special edition), DAY OF THE LOCUST, and looking forward to watching them and others during the holiday weekend. I am invited to a cookout on Sunday afternoon, but otherwise, it should be a movie marathon weekend.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 08:35:40 PM
I have one black shirt that my brother sent me one Christmas, but aside from it and my tux, I never wear black either.  I hate the way it has become the uniform colour of the so-called hip these days.

Hey, Mr. Pogue, choose your weapon and we meet behind Du-Par's at dawn. - I happen to wear a lot of black. I don't wear it to be hip -- I wear it because I like it. I wore it even before it was considered hip. I honestly don't give a flying frig about being hip, never have. My mother always used to dress me in reds and other bright colors when I was a kid and had no say in what I wore. I HATED it. As soon as I was old enough to choose my own things, I always selected muted autumnal colors. Then I discovered the glory of black. The rest is history.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: S. Woody White on June 30, 2004, 08:37:00 PM
Tonight, after I got off from work, der Brucer told me that he wanted to eat out, because he was sick of my cooking.

Oh, the infamy!  The disgrace!

Oh, well.

The big problem with my getting off at nine is that a lot of restaurants are closing at that time.

We did squeek in at a crab shack, where he had Crab Imperial and I had a pound of shrimp, boiled and coated with Old Bay.  Tasty, but the kitchen had to bring their boil back up to temp before they could cook my dinner, by which time der B was already finished with his.

No matter.  He got to tell me some of his old Navy stories, stuff I hadn't heard before (even after all this time) (and I'm not talking about the clothiers).  A good time was had.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Sandra on June 30, 2004, 09:26:55 PM
I still don't have much to say, except that I am now eating a doughnut.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: S. Woody White on June 30, 2004, 09:31:10 PM
I'm going to try catching up a bit more on my DVD watching.  Last night, I learned how to sell tootsie fruitsie ice cream.  Tonight, who knows!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 09:43:36 PM
Psychologists say that a clearing of the throat without physical cause but as a reflex shows a need for the attention of all to hear the speaker and a simultaneous fear of rejection of the speaker's ideas.  It is a schizophrenic habit that is nearly unbreakable, but can be replaced with a physical gesture, a shaking of the hands or deliberate blinking of the eyes when the urge strikes.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 09:45:31 PM
Thanks MB, yes that was my question.

MRBK I would love to hear any Dodo-Lucy stories that were shared with you.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 09:46:18 PM
I still don't have much to say, except that I am now eating a doughnut.

I think in your last post you were longing for a donut. I love happy endings!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 09:48:30 PM
The only Lucy thing I heard was that she played Backgammon to kill, and HATED to lose.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 09:50:18 PM
Well personally....I know a little bit about a LOT of things....so if someone says something I KNOW is wrong....I am compelled....COMPELLED to correct that person.  This can happen even if said person is a stranger.  

Especially if said stranger is passing along misinformation!!!!
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 09:50:30 PM
I should think of something clever to say right about now, as we're nearing Page Seven. Have been sitting in front of the computer since very early morning. Except for one break to go out into the world, a bit of a rest and some phone calls. Ask me if I've done brilliant writing. No, don't ask me.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 09:52:30 PM
Page 7 Dance!!  8)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 09:53:13 PM
DR PANNI are you interested in the subject of Aimee Semple McPherson?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 09:53:43 PM
While I was writing my post, we got to Page Seven! I think I'll clear my throat to celebrate.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 09:55:52 PM
DR PANNI are you interested in the subject of Aimee Semple McPherson?

Sure. She was an interesting lady. Hallelujah! Why?
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 10:01:23 PM
The Dear Daughter's boyfriend saw FAHRENHEIT 9/11 in San  Diego which is a big military town. Lots of family of men and women who are deployed in Iraq and other places. He said the audience was weeping all through the movie.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 10:04:26 PM
There is a NEW movie coming out about ASM and there is a Yahoo group that has the trailer and some photos from the film.

Great subject....hope it's a good movie.  Do you have Yahoo....I can send the group url if you want to join and check it out.   I think the director is in charge of the group.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: George on June 30, 2004, 10:15:10 PM
Personal quirk - even though I hate it, I clear my throat way too much.  Don't know why, really, but I wish I could stop doing it.

A friend of mine in college said that people (in general) do this because they don't drink enough water.  You could try that...unless you drink a lot of water already. ::)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 30, 2004, 10:16:48 PM
Panni, the trouble is that everyone else discovered "the glory of black" too.  It's no longer any sort of personal fashion statement when everybody else in the room is dressed in the same damn thing.  Every Hollywood party, screening, or opening, I go to everyone is dressed in the so-called "power" colour of black.  All our youth seem to be dressed in nondescript, existensial black.  It is all very, very boring.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: George on June 30, 2004, 10:22:50 PM
Panni, the trouble is that everyone else discovered "the glory of black" too.  It's no longer any sort of personal fashion statement when everybody else in the room is dressed in the same damn thing.  Every Hollywood party, screening, or opening, I go to everyone is dressed in the so-called "power" colour of black.  All our youth seem to be dressed in nondescript, existensial black.  It is all very, very boring.

Last week (I think) Oprah said that pink is the new black!  Everyone " Think Pink!" (an Angry Housewives and Funny Face reference)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 30, 2004, 10:27:02 PM
Good Evening!

What an interesting night at Wolf Trap...

Since it was Gala Night, they had a later curtain than usual, 8:30.  Upon opening the playbill, there was no real program listed for tonight's program.  Just a page with:

Linda Rondstadt
and the
Baltimore Symphony Orchestra
plus her band performing her
GREATEST ROCK HITS
and the great
AMERICAN STANDARDS
as arranged by Nelson Riddle
{Ms. Ronstadt's pciture}
Then briefs bios of Ms. Ronstadt and The BSO.

No song listing - which I didn't really expect - but no conductor listed either - not even the standard listing for the head and associate conductors for the BSO.

Well...

After watching the parade of tuxes and evening dresses coming into the house from the Gala reception, the lights came down around 8:40.  The concertmistress walked out and the orchestra tuned up.  Then the unidentified conductor came out, and he led the BSO in a Gershwin overture.  -I'm sorry, I don't know which one it was, and since there was no listing in the program...  After the opening selection, a gentleman walked on-stage, and welcomed the crowd to the Gala.  Then he introduced the "surprise" conductor - who's name I didn't know, but he's based out of Virginia - and then the "surprise" piano soloist.  -And, yes, he used the word "surprise". ???  And from the tone he was using, it seemed that "surprise" meant "last minute replacement".  Then he said the orchestra would play one more selection with the soloist which would be followed by an intermission after which Ms. Ronstadt would take us through the American songbook.  Hmm...

This was the first point in the evening where you could feel the energy in the house just shift a little bit.  Yes, it was Gala Night, but all the advertisements simply mentioned that Linda Ronstadt would be singing that evening.  So, as the opening clarinet trill of Gershwin's "Rhapsody in Blue" started, there was some very audible shifting in the seats from those audience members who had obviously come to see and hear Ms. Ronstadt, not the Baltimore Symphony with some "surprise" soloist led by a "surprise" conductor.  -And the gentleman in front of me and my friend, Andy (who took me to the concert), was particularly fidgety.  Even his mother, we presumed, who was sitting next to him was trying to keep him still in his seat throughout the first half of the evening.

*And after thinking about it, if you paid $48.00 to go see Linda Ronstadt, you want to see Linda Ronstadt.  But since I actually like orchestral music, and "Rhapsody In Blue" was one of the first pieces of music I ever tried to learn, I didn't mind the orchestral prelude to Ms. Rondstadt's portion of the night.  And after years of attending "Pops" concerts, I'm used to the headliner not performing the whole evening.

In any case, the pianist played a fine "Rhapsody", and for me, it was nice to hear the piece played live for the first time in a long time.  It wasn't the most brilliant rendition I've ever heard, but there was some nice musical moments throughout.  -And the clarinet, trumpet and trombone players were having a field day with all the blues bends - at times it seemed like they were just "lipping" from note to note - lots of sliding going on.

Intermission.

The lights come down again, the orchestra starts an intro... Wait - who is this conductor?!?!?!... Ms. Ronstadt walks out... "What's New?"... Aahh... And after the song, she introduced her conductor for the evening, jazz pianist and arranger, Alan Broadbent.

All in all, Ms. Ronstadt was in great voice throughout the evening, and some of those final notes just seemed to go on forever.  After some of the Nelson Riddle arrangements, Mr. Broadbent headed to the piano, and Ms. Ronstadt performed two numbers from her upcoming album (on Verve) of jazz standards that her and Mr. Broadbent have been working on.  There was a Cole Porter number, and a particularly neat treatment of "Never, Never Will I Marry".

Then the band started up, and the piano started playing some octaves, and then a good portion of the audience started to come to life: "Just One Look".  She then started going through some of her 70's hits, as well as a trio of Jimmy Webb songs.  After the Webb songs, she commented, "I promise no more Jimmy Webb songs," and then explained that if you're happy, just be happy, but if you're depressed, then there is nothing like singing a sad song to make you feel better.  -I had never really heard those songs before, and I'm gonna have to look them up and add them to my library in both audio and print form.  "Somewhere, Out There," a number from one of the "Trio" albums, and then "Blue Bayou".  And that was it...

It was a solid hour of singing, with lots of variety, and Ms. Ronstadt demonstrated that she still has quite the instrument and quite the vocal range.

Well, then came the encore...

(To Be Continued...)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 10:32:46 PM
I don't drink any water - maybe that's the problem.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jrand74 on June 30, 2004, 10:36:25 PM
Well...it's better than the psychological explanation!   LOL

Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: George on June 30, 2004, 10:51:39 PM
Here are some questions for BK and anyone who makes CDs from albums

So, does no one make CDs from albums??
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Charles Pogue on June 30, 2004, 10:57:07 PM
BK, it could very well be the problem if all you drink is diet coke.  Do you suffer from acid reflux.  Drinking nothing but carbonated beverages cannot be good for you or your esophagus.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 11:06:38 PM
Thanks for the offer, JR - but I think I'll pass on checking out the ASM group. I'm in the midst of writing and am trying to limit my extracuricular internet roamings.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 30, 2004, 11:10:39 PM
Good Evening!  Part 2-

Then came the encore...

After her "final" number, you could kind of tell there would be an encore since everyone on stage was looking at each other - well, at least the orchestra members who obviously still had some music on their stands.  And the house lights never really dimmed or came up again.

After some applause, Ms. Ronstadt came back on stage with the pianist from the first half, Terrence Wilson, if I recall correctly and they took a bow together.  Then Ms. Ronstadt moved back to her microphone...

-The following is most likely not word-for-word, but I'm pretty sure it's close...

"I have one more number I'd like to do tonight, and I'd like to dedicate it to someone special.  Someone who is a true American patriot.  And who's new movie I saw this past weekend.  Twice.  Michael Moore."

This was the second time during the evening that you could feel the energy in the house shift just a little bit.  Well, not just a little bit this time.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The chorus of "Boo's" was quite loud, and continued throughout the piano intro to her encore, "Desperado".  Then just as the piano intro was over, and she was about to sing, she snuck in, "I love you, Michael Moore."

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
"De----sperado..."

-Mind you, I wasn't booing, I was kind of laughing(?) at that time.  And kind of in shock.  First at her very political statement, and then at the very vocal reaction from the house.

Keep in mind - This was Gala Night for Wolf Trap.  One of their main fundraising nights throughout the year.  There was a lot of money in the house tonight.  Additionally, suburban Virginia is not exactly known for it's heavy Democratic leanings.

About halfway through "Desperado," the chorus of boos had died down, and after the piano outro, the audience - at least those who weren't on their way to their cars already - applauded heartily.  And there were still a few stray boos here and there.

Needless to say, the vibe of the audience as we left the Filene Center was quite lively and provocative.  As we worked our way back to my car, the various snippets of conversation we heard ran the gamut.  People liked the concert.  People thought the concert was too short.  People thought she shouldn't have done "that".  People thought it was good that she did "that".  People weren't sure exactly that "that" had happened.  Etc., etc., etc...

Personally, I'm still really not sure what to think of the whole hub-bub.  It's not like Ms. Ronstadt's political leanings and past political involvements are unknown.  But, boy, did she wake up the audience!  For better or worse.  I'll have to see if the Washington Post mentions the "incident" in tomorrow's late editions.  I also seriously have to wonder if Ms. Ronstadt's statement tonight could have an adverse effect on Wolf Trap's donor base.

The event reminded me of a vocal recital I went to given by baritone, Thomas Allen, a couple of years ago.  After he sang one of the Benjamin Britten British folksong arrangements, there were a few "boos" from the audience.  Then a woman walked up the aisle and stood in front of the stage, and started protesting Mr. Allen's choice to sing the song he did - well, the version of the song he chose to sing.  I can't remember the specific title of the song, but the original lyric has been interpreted as being anti-Semitic.  Mr. Allen and his pianist, left the stage, and after the audience had calmed down - and after some of them had left - Mr. Allen and his pianist came back on stage and completed the set of songs.

The moral for the evening:  If you bring Jose to a concert or recital with you, expect a little "extra" entertainment during your evening!

;)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 30, 2004, 11:13:31 PM
The moral for the evening:  If you bring Jose to a concert or recital with you, expect a little "extra" entertainment during your evening!

;)

And if that's not a setup for a TCB rejoinder, I don't know what is!   :o ;D ;)
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Panni on June 30, 2004, 11:14:09 PM
Last week (I think) Oprah said that pink is the new black!  Everyone " Think Pink!" (an Angry Housewives and Funny Face reference)

Is that "Angry Housewives Eating Bonbons" you're talking about? If it is, that's strange. I took it off the shelf earlier today to check something. It was a book I was asked to adapt as a series a while back. Worked out an approach and pitched it at CBS and a few other places,  but no one bit ("too soft"). I was thinking today that maybe I should look into it again.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Tomovoz on June 30, 2004, 11:21:20 PM
Thank you for in depth review Jose. Another reason why Ronstadt is one of my all time favourites. Hope you can find out the names of the Webb songs.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: George on June 30, 2004, 11:24:12 PM
Is that "Angry Housewives Eating Bonbons" you're talking about? If it is, that's strange. I took it off the shelf earlier today to check something. It was a book I was asked to adapt as a series a while back. Worked out an approach and pitched it at CBS and a few other places,  but no one bit ("too soft"). I was thinking today that maybe I should look into it again.

Nope.  It's a musical called Angry Housewives and it's never been recorded (as far as I know).  It has a song early in the show called "Think Pink" and has the lyrics, "Think positive, think perky, think pink!"

Anyway, the show is about these four women (anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong) who want to make a little extra money so they form a punk rock group and enter a punk rock contest to win a big cash prize.  One of the women has trouble swearing and in one of the songs, she has to sing "Eat  your f***ing cornflakes!"  She can't say "the f-word" so she says "friggin'."  At the end of the first act she's a bit drunk (I think) and at the contest she lets go big time and screams out in the song "EAT YOUR FUCK-ING CORN-FLAKES!!"  They win the contest of course, but reality sets in and they have to deal with their lives in the second act.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Tomovoz on June 30, 2004, 11:25:13 PM
DR George. I transfer my vinyl to audio tape and then to Cd with a copier not a burner. I thus do not use any"clean up" programme. I did install one on my computer so I could try to "clean up" songs already transferred to Cd. So far- failure. I am just not computer savy enough to get anything to happen. I asked when I bought the programme if it could be used that way. I guess I need a 13 year old student to come and teach me what do with the programme.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jay on June 30, 2004, 11:25:45 PM
Lest we forget, Miss Ronstadt was once the paramour of Governor Moonbeam (who is now the mayor of Oakland.)  Some have said that Governor Moonbeam's policies made George McGovern look like Barry Goldwater.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: Jay on June 30, 2004, 11:32:49 PM
I wish on each and every Dear Reader an experience like the one I had tonight.  That is, to be in a gorgeous, ornate movie palace and become community with two thousand others whilst watching a cleverly written, superbly acted and wonderfully directed and photographed picture show from seventy years ago.  There were laughs galore, the funniest/best acted/most famous scenes were applauded and there was a big ovation at the movie's end.

They don't make 'em like that anymore.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: bk on June 30, 2004, 11:51:24 PM
I use a stand-alone burner and have never used the one in my computer.
Title: Re:THE LAST OF JUNE
Post by: JoseSPiano on June 30, 2004, 11:59:20 PM
Good Evening!  Part 3-

Some other interesting tidbits from tonight's concert -

-Due to some unknown stage setup, there was one violinist who was seated all by her lonesome at the back of the section right in front of the percussion.  And her row was also a little further back than the other rows in front of her.  She really looked a little strange - to me, at least - sitting there with no stand partner.  I wonder if one of the violinists got caught in traffic or got sick.  Or maybe it was just the way the seating and number of violinist worked out for the evening.

-In her intro to "Lush Life", Ms. Ronstadt mentioned that Billy Strayhorn is considered a sort of alter-ego to Duke Ellington since Billy Strayhorn wrote many of the tunes that Duke Ellington would be associated with, "Take The "A" Train" among them.  She mentioned that Mr. Strayhorn wanted to become a classical musician, but due to the cultural times and circumstances in which he grew up in, he was not able to attend a conservatory.  She then added that also do the time he grew up in, he was not able to express his true self - that he was gay.  And then she said that he wrote "Lush Life" - which I find a truly amazing song melodically, harmonically, lyrically and otherwise - was written when Mr. Strayhorn was only 14 years old.  *I may have misheard that last fact - I know he young when he wrote that song, but I had never heard he was that young when he wrote that song.

-When she introduced the three Jimmy Webb songs - "Adios," "I Keep It Hid," and "????" (sorry, my memory is failing me at this time of night) - she commented that Jimmy Webb is one of the modern songwriters that could rightly be put next to the Gershwins and Rodgers & Hart.

-She also sang the song that was most likely the first rock and roll song ever written.  It was the "lynch pin" between the blues and rock and roll.

OK - I think that's enough for now... -before I get frozen out of the "today"...

OH!  I also realized just how much I "grew up" with Linda Ronstadt's voice coming from my radio during the 70's.  -And also how most of her major hits were not up-tempos - it was quite a heavy ballad and medium-tempo song evening.  -No "Tumbling Dice" nor "You're No Good" tonight.