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Title: THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: bk on July 19, 2004, 12:02:52 AM
Well, you've read the notes, you've divined their crux, both thin and thick, and now it is time for you to post until the crux of the cows come home.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: S. Woody White on July 19, 2004, 12:16:10 AM
I did a quick check.  I think the TC film you're thinking of is Da Prince Who Wuz a Theef...uh...The Prince Who Was a Thief.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 12:20:12 AM
Farce: First one that came to mind (only saw it a couple of weeks back) is the wonderful "Noises Off".
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Charles Pogue on July 19, 2004, 12:54:11 AM
Pogue performing in his favourite farce.  A FLEA IN HER EAR.  Others: Noises Off.  Move Over, Mrs. Markham.  Films: Arsenic & Old Lace; One, Two, Three.  Boy Meets Girl.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 02:22:59 AM
Woke up at 2 AM, so I thought I'd post now instead of morning because I'm having Internet troubles.
Farces - I gues NOISES OFF must be considered a modern favorite. Also, A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM. Others I later.
Classic farce - TARTUFFE, A FLEA IN HER EAR. More later.
Would TO BE OR NOT TO BE be considered a farce? if yes, put it among my film faves. I'm too tired to pick a Marx Brothers film so you fill in the blank.
More tomorrow if it doesn't take me an hour to post.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 02:49:57 AM
I would vote for "To Be Or Not To Be" as a farce. (the Mel Brooks Version) - the inspired by (promotion tool!) the film "Hitler Rap" was a #1 record here in OZ.  Great fun.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 04:51:50 AM
Of course world politics would be a farce too if it were not for the tragedy wrought by the politicians.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 04:54:18 AM
Not yet 10.00 pm here. We have just watched "Priscilla - Queen Of The Desert".. First viewing for quite a while. Really don't think it could have been made so successfully anywhere else. It certainly did not harm the actors. Delightful show.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 05:05:08 AM
Good morning East Coast people. (Ben, Larry & Dan).
And Good night from OZ.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 05:05:43 AM
Sorry! Missed you there Emily. Have a great day everyone.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 05:06:09 AM
Can't get it right.

& Jason.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: elmore3003 on July 19, 2004, 05:09:17 AM
Good morning, all!  Last night after "Six Feet Under" I wanted to post about it, but I realized I was spoiling it for the West Coast viewers.  I think last night, with its fag-bashing episode, it jumped the shark for me:  as soon as they dumped the corpse and Jake's psychopathic behavior was evident, the uptight David's actions from then on seemed totally out of character.  Since my memory of LA is nothing but traffic, I could never figure out why they seemed to be driving through an empty city.  Why David's smart character was so stupid to trust again and again such a sleazy liar, even if the sexual attraction was so high, boggles my mind.  Overall, everyone in the family last night seemed to be on a major self-pity poor-little-me-I'm-so-empty kick (Every damned one of them!) that I wanted to kick the television.  I hope Ruth files for divorce ASAP, that David gets his ass sued by the family of the body he dumped,  that Claire becomes a vegetable from chemicals in the photographic film, and Nate finally realizes his life is empty and gets on with it or follpows my advice and dies.  I was surprised to find Brenda's flakey mother the most together last night. End of rant.

Farces:  DR Panni, I love TARTUFFE, but I've never thought of it as a farce because it's got such a serious undercurrent, any more than I'd think of THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING EARNEST as a farce.

So, I love Georges Feydeau a lot:  
  HOTEL PARADISO (Peter Glenville adaptation of L"HOTEL DU LIBRE ECHANGE)
  A FLEA IN HER EAR (John Mortimer adaptation of LA PUCE A L"OREILLE)
  THE LADY FROM MAXIM'S (John Mortimer's adaptation of LA DAME DE CHEZ MAXIM)
   Mortimer's adaptation of L'HOTEL is called A LITTLE HOTEL ON THE SIDE but I've always like Glenville's title and script
  THE KITTY (Eugene Labiche)
  LOOK AFTER LULU (Noel Coward's version of Feydeau's OCCUPE-TOI D'AMELIE
  CHARLEY'S AUNT (Brandon Thomas)
  Offenbach's LA VIE PARISIENNE belongs not in an opera house but on a stage full of singing comedians; Meilhac and Halevy wrote a farce for the libretto
  NOISES OFF (Frayn)
  LEND ME A TENOR (Ludwig)
  A lot of the early Kern libretti by Wodehouse and Bolton - OH, BOY! and OH, LADY! LADY! are farces
  A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM (I love this show, but as a former classics major, I admit the original Plautus comedies leave me a bit cold)

Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: elmore3003 on July 19, 2004, 05:23:02 AM
How could I have forgotten ARSENIC AND OLD LACE,  the best farce of the 1940s? The movie ain't bad, either, but it does clean up things a bit.  I think Joe Orton's LOOT, for all its underlying savagery and anti-Catholicism, is a brilliant farce.  WHAT THE BUTLER SAW is equally funny, but I think Orton would have done some smart edfiting if he'd ever seen it on its feet.

Movies:  DUCK SOUP
            A NIGHT AT THE OPERA
            THE FULLER BRUSH MAN
            THE PALEFACE
            THE MIRACLE OF MORGAN'S CREEK
           
           
           

Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Danise on July 19, 2004, 05:45:18 AM
Good morning all!  Nice to see so many people on the board.  See what I miss when I have to go to work?  Have I ever mentioned that work is a four letter word?  Awww it's not that bad but does seem to take up a great deal of my time.   :)  I could be doing other things like talking with my friends at HHW.

I go for my pre op in about an hour which is why I am not at work.  This part is easy, I know.  Nothing to be scared of.  That will come later in the week.

Jane, I tried to send you an e-mail which came back.  It seems I still have to messed up version of your e-mail address in my Pocket PC.  If you would be so kind as to send me your address again, I promise to make sure it is correct in every place I keep my addresses.  

I am finding some things that are missing or missed.  I can't find that count down program that I downloaded.  I can't remember where I down loaded it from.  

I also miss the Word Perfect that came with the old machine.  I don't really like the spell check in Word.  Word Perfect gave you the spelling and the meaning of the word.  I'll have to try to replace it.

I like that chat is going to be an hour earily.  I don't know why it is going to be an hour early but I wish it could be so more often.  

TCB!  Good to see you posting! Good vibes to you~~~~~~~~~~  Look on the bright side--if I had my way, you would have a broken arm right now!  Me and my poor vision!  

Poor RLP , that's not to make little of your pain.  I wish I could make it go away for you.  Good healing vibes your way as well! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gotta go get ready for my appointment then it's off to work from there.  I hate that it's raining again.  I don't like to drive as it is and to downtown, too!  Ugh.  Take care of yourselfs and I'll see you all at chat tonight!  One hour early!  Oh, boy!
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: William E. Lurie on July 19, 2004, 05:57:08 AM
Why is there an ad for ASSASSINS tickets on the first page of this here site when it closed yesterday?
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Matt H. on July 19, 2004, 06:09:10 AM
DR Elmore, you were E&T, I believe,  when Tomovoz made the request several weeks ago that we not discuss SIX FEET UNDER in detail since Australia doesn't get the newest season until months after we see it. Just wanted to give you a heads up.

I'm sure there's no harm done as he can see where you're going with your comments and simply skip over them. I skipped them since I haven't had a chance to see the show yet. The phone rang five minutes before the show began, and I wasn't near the DVR to start it up, so I recorded the midnight (HBO-West) version and have yet to watch it.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Matt H. on July 19, 2004, 06:11:25 AM
Favorite farce: NOISES OFF. Unquestionably.

I do like many of the others mentioned here: FORUM, ARSENIC, ONE_TWO_THREE (which I believe will be my DVD for today).

Does YOU CAN'T TAKE IT WITH YOU count? Or THE MAN WHO CAME TO DINNER. I don't think they're farces strictly speaking, but they're certainly wild and woolly (Monty Woolley, that is).
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Matt H. on July 19, 2004, 06:14:14 AM
I agree with you, DR td, about THE ENGLISH PATIENT. It's not a film for every taste (several of my friends found it as tedious to sit through as I found THE LAST EMPEROR), but I do find it very moving and beautifully filmed.  
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Matt H. on July 19, 2004, 07:48:03 AM
I've mentioned this before here when we've talked about farce, but I'll repeat it. The Neil Simon farce RUMORS seem to be the play of his that gets the most productions around this area. I've actually never seen a production, just have read the script. Does anyone like RUMORS?

LEND ME A TENOR gets a lot of productions, too.

Does BLACK COMEDY qualify as a farce. I really thought it was hilarious.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Noel on July 19, 2004, 08:42:57 AM
While I've never seen Six Feet Under, I did see the ad that mentions a character named Kimmel.  I believe the name for the character was suggested by Leslie Kritzer

Mike Bencivenga had a farce at Lightning Strikes, Single Bullet Theory a few years ago, and its quality convinced me to work on his next theatrical endeavor, a play made out of Shakespeare's sonnets, with an original plot and setting.

I've always loved ONE, TWO, THREE and would love the rights to make it into a musical.   The entire rivalry with the Soviets called The Cold War seems so blithe and innocent compared to the mess we're in today.

And yes, on Broadway, I loved NOISES OFF.  Tom Stoppard's TRAVESTIES is many things, including a travesty of a farce.  If that counts, it's my favorite.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: MBarnum on July 19, 2004, 08:53:45 AM
Was unfortunately E & T this weekend and am now catching up with the posts. Do you ever find that you just don't feel right unless you are caught up on all of the missed posts?

Well, now I am caught up and current.

Had a wild and wooley weekend. Was supposed to go up to Vancouver and go swimming at my buddy Terry's place, but unfortunately he had a heart attack early Saturday morning, so rather then swimming we (my friend Mark and I) went to the hospital and visited. It was a mild heart attack and all should be well with that, but x-rays showed something not right in his lungs, which doesn't sound good at all. It was all quite a shock to me...Terry is younger then I am! He is a smoker, but jeez...you would think these things would happen a little later in life! Anyway, am hoping for the best as far as the cat-scan results go.

On a brighter note, after we visited Terry, his boyfriend, Terry's ex-wife and Terry's 3 kids, Mark and I went out to dinner in Portland (The Virginia Cafe). I had a delicious avacodo and swiss cheese hamburger. I would guess that JMK knows the Virginia Cafe and can verify that they have the most wonderful hamburgers!!

After dinner we decided to Scandels for a couple of drinks, then went to Boxxes where we met a very nice guy named Carl who we hung out with the rest of the evening. He is here on business from Colorado, and has a startling resemblance to Steve Reeves crossed with Tim McGraw ;D ...and he is one heck of a nice guy! I am pleased to say that Carl and I got along splendidly and much fun was had.

Sunday the three of us (Mark, Carl, and myself) headed out to Sauvie Island for fun in the sun and water. I got burnt to a crisp and my face, chest, and back are as red as a fire-truck! I need to heed DR Jane's advice and remember to take the sun-screen...but you know, it always seems to start out cloudy and then WHAM! the sun comes out of nowhere!

The river (I think it is the Columbia) was wonderfully warm and we spent a good amount of time in the water.

I am exhausted now and really did not want to come to work today!
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: MBarnum on July 19, 2004, 08:56:51 AM
And to catch up on this weekends posts:

JANE, that picture of Abie was adorable!

Panni, that is so cool about the turtle. What a wonderful creature...who knew you could find something like that in the concrete jungle.

Ann, I thought Shy was a cutie. I am so glad you posted a pic!

JMK, your new dog as beautiful! What a nice addition to the family!!
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Matt H. on July 19, 2004, 09:16:57 AM
Is chat still on for tonight?
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: bk on July 19, 2004, 09:33:43 AM
As per notes, yes, chat is on for five.  I, too, love A Flea in Her Ear, especially the divoon Gower Champion production in 1969 - originally at ACT, then on Broadway at the ANTA (now the Virginia).
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 09:38:56 AM
Good morning. I will not post much today. Have to concentrate on work and am having Internet probs. Will log on more often after my writing is done for the day.

MBarnum - Abie lives at my house, not Jane's, but I'm sure he'd like her, too!

Larry - I respectfully disagree with some of what you said. I thought the episode was very powerful. I do agree that some of the characters are getting a little boring this season. But what you refer to as the "fag-bashing" story (that's not how I saw it) was, I thought, an incredibly powerful one-act play, rather than simply a story line.

As for TO BE OR NOT TO BE, I was talking about the Benny-Lombard version.

Danise - I don't know what procedure you're having done, but no procedure is pleasant... So I send you GOOD VIBES....
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: MBarnum on July 19, 2004, 10:09:10 AM
LOL! Oh, I did write Jane didn't I! Woopsy!
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: bk on July 19, 2004, 10:09:11 AM
Here is the crux of the matter: Where in tarnation IS everyone?  Just spent a half-hour answering the many questions of our befuddled publicist.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 10:18:53 AM
Penny I hope your head is better today.  It sounds as if your body might be a bit sore.

JRand even as a child I use to visit the old people in our neighborhood to listen to their stories.  Since most of my visits to the nursing center have been with Echo or on field trips (which they sadly don’t take anymore) I’m often working more than talking.  I have thought I might like to read once I can’t take Echo anymore.  I too have met some very interesting people, including authors and people in the arts.  Unfortunately most of them can’t tell me their stories anymore.  I have one very interesting gentleman I visit I adore.  He can’t hear anymore making conversation almost impossible.  I decided I’m going to start taking a pad and pen to write notes to him.  What really tears me apart are the people my age or younger.

Danise I sent you email.

MBarnum, you beat me to the punch mentioning sun-screen.  :D
GOOD HEALING VIBES TO YOUR FRIEND!

Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 10:21:10 AM
Bruce are you regretting keeping the publicist?  Everything else seems to be coming along nicely now.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 10:23:38 AM
Most of my favorite farces have already been mentioned.  I will think about it and post more later.  I keep thinking of screwball comedies such as WHAT’S UP DOC, but those don’t count.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: bk on July 19, 2004, 10:29:38 AM
The publicist is heavy maintenence for sure, but he knows the LA waiver scene well - he's just slow as molasses and asks way to many questions like what cross street is the Hudson Theater on (hint: HUDSON)
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jennifer on July 19, 2004, 11:09:18 AM
Good vibes to DRs RLP and Danise! ~~~~~~~~~~~
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: bk on July 19, 2004, 11:09:33 AM
What IS the deal here lately.  Forty minutes without a post on a Monday morning?  You'd think it was a Monday morning or something.  I am preparing the bitch-slap machine as we speak.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: William E. Lurie on July 19, 2004, 11:16:53 AM
I just read that the tour of the WONDERFUL TOWN  revisal will star Lucie Arnaz.  Did Donna turn it down or do Fran and Barry feel that nobody west of the Hudson has heard of her?

The most unnecessary film of the summer --- the remake of MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE --- was just given the kiss of death: a rave from Liz Smith on the basis of two scenes she saw on a promo video.  She also showed just how ignorant she is when she mentioned she couldn't place who Liev Schreiber was.  With the original on a newly-released DVD plus on television several times this month, there is no reason for anyone to have any need to see the remake.  Even Angela Lansbury has stated that she has no idea why they bothered to re-make something that was perfect to begin with.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 11:28:39 AM
Is this the one?

Hudson Theater
6539 Santa Monica Blvd.
Hollywood, CA 90028
323-856-4249
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jennifer on July 19, 2004, 11:29:23 AM
Well I have biked and done pilates (both) every single day for 8 straight days now.  Yeah!
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: elmore3003 on July 19, 2004, 11:31:28 AM
I just read that the tour of the WONDERFUL TOWN  revisal will star Lucie Arnaz.  Did Donna turn it down or do Fran and Barry feel that nobody west of the Hudson has heard of her?


DRWEL, perhaps Miss Murphy doesn't want to tour?

DRsPanni and MattH, I apologize to those of you who have yet to catch the episode of SIX FEET UNDER last night, but, DRPanni, I was very angered by last night's episode, because I think a lot of the action was totally out of character, and I could not buy it.  I've loved this series and its characters for three years now, and I wondered seriously if the writer of last night's episode even knew what history the characters have.  Maybe I'm starting to find the show over.  Sorry!
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 11:43:30 AM
GOOD FOR YOU JENNIFER!!
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: DearReaderLaura on July 19, 2004, 11:44:58 AM
My post for this morning.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: bk on July 19, 2004, 11:59:47 AM
Yes, that's our theater.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 12:10:04 PM
I too thought the SIX FEET UNDER was an Emmy bid for Michael C. Hall, completely out of character - nothing he did was anything like the David of the week before would have done.  I can hear the meeting now....what would happen if?  Then we could have him tied up....and then...and then....  

Of course the QAF season finale wasn't any better than the season has been....writing wise and acting wise.  But of course that show has never given us any hope of rising above itself.

Farces?

Hmmmmmmmmm.....WHAT'S UP DOC?, ONE TWO THREE, DUCK SOUP - all named before....but my favorites.  I might add THE PRODUCERS and MIDNIGHT.

Plays/musicals - TARTUFFE, BOYS FROM SYRACUSE, NOISES OFF

I really hated LEND ME A TENOR.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Ben on July 19, 2004, 12:15:35 PM
As DR Laura has stated so aptly,

My post for the day.

Back to work.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jennifer on July 19, 2004, 12:16:25 PM
Thanks DR Jane.  And I have tried to eat better too.  Although I usually do the lowish carb thing.  And I haven't been doing that.  Been eating a lot of potatoes!
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jennifer on July 19, 2004, 12:18:45 PM
Question.  Has anyone here ever tried the Atkins shakes?  They started stocking them at Costco.  And I've never tried one.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jennifer on July 19, 2004, 12:20:23 PM
Oh and remember a few months ago DR Jose was telling us about low carb ice cream.  Well I noticed some at one of the grocery stores I frequent.  I will have to note the brand name and flavor next time I am there (they had all kinds, low carb, fat free, ... every new type someone could be looking for).
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 19, 2004, 12:21:06 PM
Good Morning!  Good Afternoon!  Good Evening!

-Just covering my bases... ;)

After yesterday's rehearsal, I hied myself - courtesy of one of the cast members - to the Hills of Beverly - well, actually, just outside of the Hills of Beverly - and I spent the evening having a very nice dinner and a catch up session with a friend who is in town for business this week.  By the time I was ready to leave, it was too late to catch any sort of public transportation back, so I just crashed in his hotel room and headed back this morning.  *And I have to say, the 14 bus from Beverly and Pico to downtown LA via Beverly certainly provides a nice tour of sorts.

Well, I have a couple of things to take care of before tonight's rehearsal.  However, this afternoon should be the last of my "busy-busy" days - I got a ton of work done on Saturday, and I was even able to check some things during the choreography rehearsal yesterday.

...Then I can finally catch up on the posts from the past few days, as well as get some posting done myself.

OH!  And just in case - I still have to check yesterday's posts - my final Krispy Kreme donut count for the day was only Two (2).  -And I didn't even have dessert last night after dinner!  *But I did stop at House of Pies this morning and picked up some cookies for later... :D

Speaking of later...

Laters.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: DearReaderLaura on July 19, 2004, 12:27:10 PM
Oh, Jose --
Ask BK for the Benjamin Kritzer tour, if you haven't already had it.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 12:29:50 PM
I got my LORD OF THE RINGS: RETURN OF THE KING dvd in the mail today....won on EBAY - sealed overstock - $10 including shpg.

AND my photo of Mr Bruce Kimmel as John in TFNM - which I will send to MR BK for his signature once his show is up and running!

Sounds like rehearsals are moving along well - and yes a "stand in" for someone missing during choreography is a must....or you will have to teach it again to everyone!

I will not be able to be at chat tonight - I will be in the read-thru for THE NERD in which I play - yes - the nerd.  Hmmmmmmmm.....wanted to be Axel, but that's life....
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Matt H. on July 19, 2004, 12:30:50 PM
I spent most of my youth with old people, and I grew to appreciate them far more than my contemporaries. We lived next door to my grandmother (who lived to be 99), and my uncle would take her and "her ladies" (lady friends from church) riding out in the country on most afternoons. Sometimes, he'd have a watermelon in the car, we'd stop on the side of the road and have watermelon. Other times we'd just drive around, and I'd listen to all these fascinating stories those older people had to tell. Many of them grew up during Reconstruction in the South and had some hair-raising stories to tell about the hardships they endured. I guess due to this, I was always older than my years indicated.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jennifer on July 19, 2004, 12:30:52 PM
Okay how weird  is this.  I didn't see DR Jose logged on, and I was just thinking how BK must be working him very hard, because we never get any long "good morning/good afternoon" messages anymore. :)
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 12:31:35 PM
It sounds as if DRJose is having a great time!  Hurray!!!  Work AND a vacation - what could be better?

MBARNUM - well it sounds like your adventure was very exciting!  The sun can be deadly as you have discovered....even on a cloudy day.  Don't you remember what happened to Lucy Ricardo?  I hope Don Loper doesn't call you today to model that tweed suit!
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jennifer on July 19, 2004, 12:32:10 PM
Question for the women on this board.  What kinds of cream do use on your face?

Has anyone tried vitamin E cream?  I got a bottle this weekend and it is doing wonders for my skin.  And it smells so nice too!
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jennifer on July 19, 2004, 12:34:51 PM
Oh I meant to say that I hope DR MBarnum's friend is okay.  Quick recovery vibes ~~~~~~~~~~~~.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Matt H. on July 19, 2004, 12:35:24 PM
Haven't gotten to SIX FEET UNDER yet but will have seen it by the time chat starts. I guess that means ONE, TWO, THREE will have to wait until tomorrow.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Noel on July 19, 2004, 12:43:14 PM
the 14 bus from Beverly and Pico to downtown LA via Beverly certainly provides a nice tour of sorts.

Just for clarity's sake...
Jose appears to be talking about two different Beverlys.
Beverly Drive intersects with Pico.  Beverly Boulevard does not intersect, but does go downtown.

If you go to the west end of Beverly Boulevard, travel two blocks north, and then look at the second house on the left, you'll see where I lived from age 9-18.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: George on July 19, 2004, 12:46:33 PM
NOISES OFF and A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM are the two farces (farci?) that I enjoy the most.  I played Tim Allgood in a local production of NOISES OFF and Hero in FORUM!  I had a great time in both!
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: ArnoldMBrockman on July 19, 2004, 12:51:43 PM
TO JOSE-

Do you know the answer to my musical question from yesterday??
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 12:51:59 PM
DR MBARNUM so when is Carl coming back to Oregon?  ;D

And remember NO MORE SUNBURN!!!   :P
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 12:55:54 PM
Elmoore and JRand - Re SFU - I don't think that anything David did was totally out of character. Many people behave quite differently when they are afraid for their lives. I don't want to spoil the episode for those who haven't seen it, so feel free to email me and we could have a short discussion, if you like.
Back to my writing.
Aaaaargh. I'm starving, but don't want to stop right now to eat. Maybe in half an hour.
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jay on July 19, 2004, 01:16:32 PM
And I have to say, the 14 bus from Beverly and Pico to downtown LA via Beverly certainly provides a nice tour of sorts.

Give me the word, Dear Reader Jose, and I will be happy to chauffeur you on the quintessential road tour of L.A.:  Sunset Boulevard from the heart of downtown to the ocean.

And if you arrange with Dear BK a tour of the sites from the Kritzer Trilogy, do you think maybe I could tag along?  (Hint, hint.)
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Post by: Jay on July 19, 2004, 01:22:14 PM
I am the proud holder of a reservation to the opening night performance of What If--The Revue!

For those of you Dear Readers interested in purchasing tickets, here's the link:

http://www.plays411.com/website/htmlconsumer/play_info.asp?show_id=140 (http://www.plays411.com/website/htmlconsumer/play_info.asp?show_id=140)
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 01:24:20 PM
Oh, Jose --
Ask BK for the Benjamin Kritzer tour, if you haven't already had it.

And tell him to include my house.

What hotel were you at and where did you eat?  When in West L.A. I want details. :)
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Post by: Matt H. on July 19, 2004, 01:27:02 PM
Off to see SIX FEET UNDER and any other DVD mischief I can get myself into until tonight's chat.
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 01:33:21 PM
Matt H you were lucky to spend so much time with your grandmother.  I enjoyed your story.

Jennifer I used vitamin E oil for awhile.  Maybe a cream would have been a better idea.   My skin looked wonderful and then I developed a reaction to it, that and a few other things.  I use a combination of things, mostly Jafra products.  
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Post by: William E. Lurie on July 19, 2004, 01:41:11 PM
JRAND... LEND ME A TENOR is a show that is very hard to do... probably more so than NOISES OFF.  I saw the original Broadway production and loved it, but a couple of subsequent productions I attended were so bad I left at intermission.I think had you seen a good production you might not have disliked it.
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Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 01:42:19 PM
Oh, and on your LA tour, don't forget the lovely Allison Hayes home located at 1757 N Orange Grove Avenue.  Three blocks north of  W Sunset Blvd...Orange Grove is the next street west after North Ogden (where Lucy lived when she brought her family out to LA) .

And take your camera.  I have never seen this Allison house!!

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Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 01:44:47 PM
Could be true about LEND ME A TENOR DR Wel....heaven knows the three productions I have been FORCED to see didn't do it for me!
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Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 01:46:32 PM
DRPANNI - as an individual show last night's SFU would probably have been okay....but as a link in a season's chain - it seemed like a stunt to me.  No argument with the writing or acting (I could see Michael C. Hall preparing his Emmy speech) - as a whole....but as a piece of a season, didn't work for me.

Say a prayer for Annette - her health is not so good today.

Like, ya know, when one of the Cartwright boys fell in love and got married....it was a greatly advertised wedding show, but ya knew the gal was gonna be dead by the end of the episode.
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Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 01:49:17 PM
Congratulations, Jay!  I am hoping to win the lottery sometime between now and September 12 - and if I do, I am THERE!!!

What happened to the HHW contest to bring one lucky HHW'er to the opening night?  Oh, I guess that was my idea....never mind.
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 02:03:09 PM

Say a prayer for Annette - her health is not so good today.

How do you know this?
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Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 02:09:03 PM
I'm a member of a few Annette groups....quelle supreeze!
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Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 02:10:31 PM
She has a great support group - including her mom Virginia, and her daughter Gina...and her friend for life Shelley Fabares.

Annette rallies, so fingers crossed that she does so again.  I have confidence she can.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 19, 2004, 02:19:06 PM
I feel so strange today.

Doing things I've no business doing plus being totally out of sorts.

Adjustments toward getting things done are coming along.  I am slow and I hate typing with only one hand.

Thanks for the well wishes and vibes.

You'd think I could use this time for reading or DVD viewing but I haven't the patience.  I find myself sorting through things and cleaning.

It's so unlike me.

One-handed litter-box cleaning is NOT pretty!
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Post by: elmore3003 on July 19, 2004, 02:22:51 PM
I,  too, will be absent tonight from chat.  I have a meeting from 7-9:30 on a new show.  I won't be home before 10:00, alas, and th's 7:00 pm PST.  

More on the new show to follow.  I did get a lovely phone call from Tony Walton today to tell me that Jo Sullivan Loesser loved my work on WHERE'S CHARLEY? last Friday night.  It perked up my day, which has been agonizing because yesterday afternoon I pulled my back out of whack moving my tv for the delivery men to cart off tomorrow when the new one arrives.  I cannot bend, I can hardly walk, and I hate it.  Nothing ached until this morning and now it's hell.
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Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 02:29:48 PM
RLP - slow and steady wins the race.

DRELMORE - what new TV?
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 02:30:25 PM
I feel so strange today.

One-handed litter-box cleaning is NOT pretty!

Of course you do.  Are you still taking the pain meds too?  

Thank goodness I didn't have to clean the litter box one handed.  How on earth did you do that!
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Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 02:39:05 PM
TMI information requested DRJANE.

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Post by: bk on July 19, 2004, 02:47:05 PM
Back from our graphic designer, who is now hard at work finishing our poster and flyers.  Stopped and ate at Bob's Big Boy with Tammy and I must say it's not as good as it used to be.  Kind of gross, actually.  Good fries, though.

Now I have to finesse the bit of dialogue I wrote this morning and then wait for rehearsal to start.
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Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 03:07:46 PM
DR Elmore, you were E&T, I believe,  when Tomovoz made the request several weeks ago that we not discuss SIX FEET UNDER in detail since Australia doesn't get the newest season until months after we see it. Just wanted to give you a heads up.

I'm sure there's no harm done as he can see where you're going with your comments and simply skip over them. I skipped them since I haven't had a chance to see the show yet. The phone rang five minutes before the show began, and I wasn't near the DVR to start it up, so I recorded the midnight (HBO-West) version and have yet to watch it.

Thank you Matt. I am learning to be careful.
Checked on the Six Feet Website last night for a character name and resisited the temptation to follow up any plot line.

What I love about the characters as they are so trapped in their realities - like all of us! They also are not rational in their responses  and do things that are contrary to expected perceived character - once again, like real people do. Rounded  characters indeed - not flat like nearly every character portrayed on TV who  sit well within our comfort zone of predictability.
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 03:20:22 PM
I seem to be missing a post.  I wonder where it went, or if I really did post it. ???

Elmore GOOD HEALING VIBES FOR YOUR BACK!

JRand I do hope Annette rallies.
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Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 03:22:18 PM
DRJANE your post is with all the single socks that disappear in the dryer...wherever that may be.................

Off to the read thru.  Have a good chat....last week was great!
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Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 03:24:24 PM
Single socks - a long time since I saw it but isn't that a "Heartburn" reference? (and one from reality too!)
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Post by: Michael on July 19, 2004, 03:33:38 PM
I didn't like the movie Heartburn. Thought it was one big bore
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Post by: Michael on July 19, 2004, 03:35:00 PM
Well I continue to revise the old the website to make more reader friendly. Adding new and updating material. I'll guess I will stick around for a bit of chat
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 03:37:27 PM
What I love about the characters as they are so trapped in their realities - like all of us! They also are not rational in their responses  and do things that are contrary to expected perceived character - once again, like real people do. Rounded  characters indeed - not flat like nearly every character portrayed on TV who  sit well within our comfort zone of predictability.
I agree, Tom. I seem to be the only one around here who really liked last night's episode. I'll be curious to hear what you think of it.
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 03:42:41 PM
Feel Better Vibes, Larry!
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Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 03:47:12 PM
Guess it will be along wait DR Panni - my betting is about March 2005.

I remember years ago when visiting our State Prison facility's maximum security centre where the murderers were housed, being told that most of the inmates were in fact quite normal people who had gone ouotside the square and done something outside perceived possibilities - murderers were on the whole not "criminals" except for the one act! Irrational behaviour in specific circumstances that triggered off an unlikely response.

Why was I there? A friend was directing their play "Royal Hunt Of The Sun".  I went to a few rehearsals and to the production.
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 03:56:16 PM
Tomovoz what an interesting experience.

Panni did you get your work done?  
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Post by: bk on July 19, 2004, 04:00:07 PM
O Joy! O rapture!  Had me some credit to use up at my local DVD place, and I got me my Showgirls box set (not due out for a few weeks, I think).  Showgirls is truly one of the worst movies in the history of the cinema but I want it as a lesson in bad everything.  Also, the box, which is limited, includes your Showgirls shot glasses, Showgirls playing cards, a tutorial on lap dancing, a pin the pasties on the Showgirl game, including the pasties, and ever so much more.
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 04:02:58 PM
Bruce-have fun. ;D
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Post by: George on July 19, 2004, 04:08:20 PM
I just got the Caroline, or Change CD.  I'm listening to it right now!  I usually like to listen to something at least three times before I make a definitive judgment, but so far (I just started track 4), I'm interested.
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Post by: Matt H. on July 19, 2004, 04:41:02 PM
Hey, not so fast. I haven't weighed in on my thoughts about SIX FEET UNDER. I liked the show. I thought David had a couple of places where he not only did the wrong thing (I'm talking after he got into the mess he was in), but the stupid thing that I think even under extreme duress he could have acted upon. Can't be more specific, but I was shouting at the TV. I geuss that means I got REALLY caught up in the events of the episode. And, as I've been saying, my heart SO goes out to Nate that his storyline is ALWAYS interesting to me.
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Post by: Matt H. on July 19, 2004, 04:47:49 PM
I've never had a broken arm, but I've sure thrown my back out, and I know how ghastly that can be. Can't move in the bed because the pain is so intense it wakes you up; can't do any of the normal day-to-day activities like breathing without it killing you. So, great commiseration for DRs RLP and Elmore on their ailments.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 19, 2004, 04:50:36 PM
O Joy! O rapture!  Had me some credit to use up at my local DVD place, and I got me my Showgirls box set (not due out for a few weeks, I think).  Showgirls is truly one of the worst movies in the history of the cinema but I want it as a lesson in bad everything.  Also, the box, which is limited, includes your Showgirls shot glasses, Showgirls playing cards, a tutorial on lap dancing, a pin the pasties on the Showgirl game, including the pasties, and ever so much more.

Whatcha gonna do with dem pasties, mister????

DR Jane:  re: litter box...I dunno.  Jury-rigged the bag I needed to scoop into...used my body to stabilize box (after having put it on a countertop in the bathroom)...pulled and tugged and pushed.  I got it done.  Not without spills and one-handed cleanup after.

Yesterday, I had an overwhelming urge to clean my refrigerator.  I did one heck of a super cleaning but have only vague impressions of actually doing it.

I'm surprisingly "sudden" when a thing pops into my head.  I think it's the Vicodin!

This morning at 6:30, I had my bed stripped and sheets in the washer.  Made up the bed, too.  I'm stunned, but I dont feel helpless one bit!
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 05:01:15 PM

DR Jane:  re: litter box...I dunno.  Jury-rigged the bag

Ifeel helpless one bit!

I learned a new expression today.  I had to look up jury-rigged.

I think your last statement explains this sudden urge to clean.  I hope all you are doing won't hurt your arm but I am very impressed.
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Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 05:05:34 PM
If it is any help RLP, this house and my car could do with a good clean. Are you free? I will probably need to break an arm etc before the urge to go and clean everything takes hold.

Best of vibes to RLP & Elmore - and to anyone else in need of same.
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Post by: bk on July 19, 2004, 05:07:23 PM
I'm off to rehearsal and then I shall return, hopefully to see lots of postings for my mental delectation.
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Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 05:08:40 PM
Memory tells me that "jury rigged" is a nautical term or is it just naughty?
Not used here but isn't is something to do with doing what you can with what you have- makeshift.

RLP & Jane. Definition please.
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Post by: Emily on July 19, 2004, 05:10:42 PM
the chat room is open and we're in there - come join in!
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Post by: George on July 19, 2004, 05:15:35 PM
Tomovoz, exactly.  Jury (2nd definition in an on-line dictionary) NAUTICAL:  Intended or designed for temporary use; makeshift: a jury rig.
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Post by: Jay on July 19, 2004, 05:20:07 PM
So nu?  Why isn't everyone in chat?
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Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 05:37:23 PM
Thank you George.
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Post by: George on July 19, 2004, 05:39:37 PM
I was in chat for just a few minutes and it was sparkling and lively.  BK was not there, but others were.  Just had to share. :)
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Post by: George on July 19, 2004, 05:41:01 PM
Now I must hie myself to the Wilde of Tangle (housing development) where my parents live and eat the dinner that they will be serving.  I don't know what it will be, but more than likely, it won't be something that I like.  She does that.  Oh, well.  It's free.
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 05:53:06 PM
Jury rigged is from the days of sailing ships and dates from the early 1600s, if not earlier. It refers to a mast which is makeshift or a temporary contrivance, perhaps because the original was lost or damaged in a storm. Nobody knows for sure where it comes from.
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Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 05:54:46 PM
Perhaps it took 12 men to hold up the mast!
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 06:07:01 PM
 ;D
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 06:10:28 PM
George have you tried making requests?  
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 06:25:57 PM
Jane - Yes, I got tons of writing done today. I'm beginning to see the end of this portion of the process. Thursday, if all goes well. Did you watch the other movie yet? No rush, just curious.
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 06:27:52 PM
The boxset of SHOWGIRLS sounds deevine. I would love it. Although I already own showgirl pasties. There's a provocative statement for you.
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 06:28:54 PM
...with red tassels.
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 06:30:50 PM
Panni, I think we will watch it tonight.  :) Yesterday, in keeping with our documentary mood we watched THE FOG OF WAR.

Tons of writing-that’s great.  I hope you pleased with it all.
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 06:31:49 PM
And I thought you said you are shy. :D ;D
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Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 06:38:24 PM
When I spoke to my sister this morning she said her new kitten was playing with her tassles. I thought she meant ones on the curtains. I must check.
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 06:38:52 PM
And I thought you said you are shy. :D ;D

I am. The tassels were for a role I played when I was still an actress. I'm shy as ME, but not as a character on stage. :-*
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 06:40:54 PM
When I spoke to my sister this morning she said her new kitten was playing with her tassles. I thought she meant ones on the curtains. I must check.

As you said earlier, people can be quite surprising! ;)
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Post by: MBarnum on July 19, 2004, 06:43:11 PM
Panni and BK both have there tassels! Yikes! The Los Angles area will be a-swingin' place tonight!!

Good vibes to Annette F.

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Post by: MBarnum on July 19, 2004, 06:44:01 PM



Good vibes also to RLP and to DR Elmore! You boys need to be more careful!

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Post by: MBarnum on July 19, 2004, 06:48:23 PM
Wow, BK, a SHOWGIRLS boxed set! Oh, my golly! I saw that movie once....and that was enough. Matt Battaglia is in it...he plays a not very nice man.

And I am pleased to report that my buddy Terry is out of the hospital now. As it turned out he had an alergic reaction to meds he was taking for his bronchitis and that somehow or other triggered a mild heart attack.

There will still be some tests on his lungs however.

Terry was very worried that he was going to miss this weekends Beer Garden in downtown Portland! LOL!
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 06:52:52 PM
MBarnum I hope your friend Terry will follow your example and make changes in his eating and smoking habbits.

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Post by: Jay on July 19, 2004, 06:57:53 PM
...with red tassels.

The question of the moment, of course, is whether you can swing them, Dear Reader Panni, in opposite directions at the same time.
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 07:08:35 PM
Gosh Panni, aren't you glad you mentioned them? :D
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Post by: Jane on July 19, 2004, 07:22:35 PM
Going to watch TWO MEN now.

Goodnight.
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 07:32:00 PM
The question of the moment, of course, is whether you can swing them, Dear Reader Panni, in opposite directions at the same time.

That's so retro, DR Jay.
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Post by: Michael on July 19, 2004, 07:36:59 PM
Canadian stage and TV actress Frances Hyland

TORONTO (CP) - Frances Hyland, the Saskatchewan-born actor described as the first lady of Canadian theatre, died Sunday. She was 77.

Hyland died at St. Michael's Hospital in Toronto of respiratory failure due to complications from recent appendix surgery, her son Evan McCowan said Monday. In a career that spanned more than 50 years, Hyland starred in and directed numerous productions at both the Stratford and Shaw festivals but was also known for her appearances in regional theatre, films and in CBC-TV shows including the internationally popular Road to Avonlea.

"She had been ill for a number of years," McCowan said, indicating she hadn't acted for the past six years. "This came on in the last little while, the respiratory (illness). Heavy smoker, just like my dad."

Hyland's former husband, pioneer stage director George McCowan, who moved to Los Angeles to direct series television in the 1970s, died of emphysema in 1995. Evan McCowan describes his mother as one of those Canadian talents who refused to leave Canada for the U.S. where they could have made a lot more money.

"It still holds true today about people leaving because we can't afford to put people in the business into a place where they can save money," McCowan added.

Richard Monette, Stratford's artistic director, said Hyland was "very courageous in her choices."

"She dealt with the world, and all its problems and joys, through her art," Monette said. "She was a great lady of the theatre."

Born in Shaunavon, Sask., in April 1927, Hyland displayed a penchant for acting at an early age, and after graduating from the University of Saskatchewan in 1948 won a scholarship to study at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art in England. After graduation there with a silver medal, she made her professional debut in 1950 in a London production of A Streetcar Named Desire. She took an usher's job at the Regent's Park Open Air Theatre to study rehearsals and at 19 snagged a tiny role on the then-new medium of television.

"I don't think I'd ever seen TV and I certainly hadn't been in a studio," she said in a later interview. "We had to wear orange makeup and there were banks and banks of lights. We'd sweat like horses."

She also recalled the many ups and downs of that early career - "even a couple of times when I've had to phone the Actors' Fund and say I can't pay the rent."

Hyland had long been a champion of greater status and higher pay for Canadian actors. In a 1970s interview she remarked that it was a good year when she earned more than $10,000.

"We're now equal with policemen," she said in 1986. "Although they have a very difficult and dangerous job and are probably not as well paid as they ought to be."

In 1954 she was brought back to Canada by Tyrone Guthrie, founding artistic director of the Stratford Festival, to appear as Isabella opposite James Mason in Measure for Measure. She spent 10 seasons at the festival, co-starring, too, with John Colicos, Martha Henry, Douglas Rain and Bruno Gerussi in King Lear in 1964.

In 1969 at the Vancouver Playhouse she starred in the original production of George Ryga's The Ecstacy of Rita Joe with Chief Dan George as her father. It was a role written with her in mind and which she counted among her most meaningful achievements.

Her Shaw Festival stage credits include Noel Coward's The Vortex in 1984, The Women in '85, Shaw's difficult masterpiece Back to Methusela in '86 and Major Barbara in '87. Also at Shaw, she directed Agatha Christie's murder mystery Black Coffee and in '79 directed the Stratford production of Othello.

On Broadway, she performed opposite Tony Perkins in Look Homeward Angel. In '89 after leaving the Shaw Festival, she played the curmudgeonly title role in Driving Miss Daisy in a Toronto theatre production.

Hyland played many great female characters onstage, including Elizabeth 1 (also in an episode of Patrick Watson's early '80s TV biography series The Titans), Portia in The Merchant of Venice, Stella in A Streetcar Named Desire and Ophelia in Hamlet.

When she won the Governor General's Performing Arts Award in 1994, then Gov. Gen. Ray Hnatyshyn called her the first lady of Canadian theatre. She was also an officer of the Order of Canada.

Prominent film and TV-movie roles include Moonlight Becomes You, I'll Be Home for Christmas, Never Talk to Strangers, Lives of Girls and Women, The Lotus Eaters, Glory! Glory!, Pygmalion, Hounds of Notre Dame, The Changeling and The Drylanders. Television appearances included co-starring with Leslie Nielsen in the miniseries The Albertans - a sort of Canadian version of Dallas - in 1979, and as Nanny Louisa in Road to Avonlea. There were also episodes of PSI Factor, Due South and ENG among others.

Critics wrote of her "glorious honey-whisky voice" and her surprisingly petite frame despite an often vivacious and commanding presence onstage.

"People who see me off stage are often surprised I'm so tiny," she once said.

Hyland is survived by son Evan and his wife Anne-Marie, two grandchildren and a great-granddaughter. As per her request there will be no funeral service, although her son expects there will be a memorial event in the next few weeks at Toronto's Performing Arts Lodge where she lived.

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Post by: elmore3003 on July 19, 2004, 07:48:00 PM
Going to watch TWO MEN now.

Goodnight.

Watch two men do what?
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Post by: Matt H. on July 19, 2004, 08:04:12 PM
It was nice getting back in chat mode for awhile. Enjoyed spending time with some DRs. Leaned interesting stuff about Bruce Willis and also about the midwest.
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Post by: Matt H. on July 19, 2004, 08:07:29 PM
Also have to say, just in counterpoint to DR Michael Shayne, that I liked HEARTBURN quite a lot. Not a terrific amount of plot, but Nicholson and Streep's characters were interesting, especially knowing they were based on real people.
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Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 08:36:20 PM
DRJANE you have a message.

Thanks for the post about Frances Hyland, DRMS.  What a beautiful woman!

Can't twirl 'em?  "Maybe dere's sumpin' wrong wit chur bumper!"

SHOWGIRLS...ah yes.  So wrong in so many ways and so much fun.  How can something be tawdry and sparkling, ridiculous and pretentious, and well so WRONG HEADED?  As Walter Kerr said, in cases such as this, it is polite to say the actors were valiant....but in this case I think they were out of their minds.

Ver-say-sse.....eating dog food....the WORST movie choreography since A CHORUS LINE....gee...I think I will watch my regular DVD of SHOWGIRLS again.  I will have to make my own pasties and use regular playing cards!
Title: Re:THE CRUX OF THE MATTER
Post by: Jrand73 on July 19, 2004, 08:37:47 PM
I think I will have some pie now.
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 19, 2004, 08:42:47 PM
I've mentioned this before here when we've talked about farce, but I'll repeat it. The Neil Simon farce RUMORS seem to be the play of his that gets the most productions around this area. I've actually never seen a production, just have read the script. Does anyone like RUMORS?
Seen it!  Great, when played well, particularly the several-pages-long speech at the end, explaining everything that's happened.  Also great, which no one gets when watching the show, is how all the character names are really the same.  Proof that reading a play can be just as entertaining as watching it, if the reader has the right imagination.
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 19, 2004, 08:43:23 PM
I'd have pi, but I'm too tired to do the math.
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 19, 2004, 08:48:16 PM
Most of my favorite farces have already been mentioned.  I will think about it and post more later.  I keep thinking of screwball comedies such as WHAT’S UP DOC, but those don’t count.
Since when isn't screwball a kind of farce?  Standard stage farce involves a set with a miriad of doors.  What's Up Doc? involves, instead, a miriad of similar overnight bags.  Seems like the same general state of mind to me!
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 08:48:56 PM
How sad about Frances Hyland. What a wonderful actress! As the obit said, her late ex-husband George McCowan was also a heavy smoker. He directed every episode of SEEING THINGS and I don't think I ever saw him without a cigarette.
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 19, 2004, 08:56:35 PM
All right, I know, I'm catching up after a long day at work.  And I do mean L  O  N  G.  Started at noon, didn't get off until nine in the evening.  A thirty-minute lunch break.  And fairly busy the entire day.

That and I had to file a complaint against one of my co-workers, which wasn't satisfying.

A couple of days ago, said co-worker mouthed off at a customer for personal reasons, which said customer did nothing to deserve.  I took her aside, and told her it wasn't a good idea to do that, and she exploded back at me.  I figured I'd better tell the store manager about what happened, before she heard about it from someone else.  Store manager gave me a blank stare for several seconds, then a large sigh, and said "Not again."

Apparently, this isn't the first time the co-worker has caused problems.  Or the second.  Or third.  Or take a number and wait to be severed.

I don't have to work solo with the co-worker again until Friday.  If things aren't "interesting" before then, they will be very "interesting" that evening.

Two other co-workers have since told me that a) I was right to report the incident, and b) I'll survive.  I'm just planning on staying away from the cutlery section of the store Friday night.
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 08:57:35 PM
(I removed my post about RUMOURS because I had it mixed up with PROPOSALS - another one-word "P" and "R" Simon title. Sorry!)
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 19, 2004, 09:01:50 PM
Question.  Has anyone here ever tried the Atkins shakes?
Are they anything like the shakes one gets when trying to quit cigarettes?
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Post by: George on July 19, 2004, 09:03:05 PM

Going to watch TWO MEN now.

Goodnight.

Watch two men do what?

And WHICH two men?? ;)
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 19, 2004, 09:06:55 PM
Give me the word, Dear Reader Jose, and I will be happy to chauffeur you on the quintessential road tour of L.A.:  Sunset Boulevard from the heart of downtown to the ocean.
Oh, no, that trip simply HAS to be done by bus!  Driving that route cannot compare!

 :o :o :o
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Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 09:07:06 PM
I notice that there is someone Taking Care of Business. I do hope the DR gets the chance to post as well as read. Special thoughts and vibes to Tacoma from the land of OZ.
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Post by: TCB on July 19, 2004, 09:09:36 PM
Guess it will be along wait DR Panni - my betting is about March 2005.

I remember years ago when visiting our State Prison facility's maximum security centre where the murderers were housed, being told that most of the inmates were in fact quite normal people who had gone ouotside the square and done something outside perceived possibilities - murderers were on the whole not "criminals" except for the one act! Irrational behaviour in specific circumstances that triggered off an unlikely response.

Why was I there? A friend was directing their play "Royal Hunt Of The Sun".  I went to a few rehearsals and to the production.


Lucky he wasn't directing FORTUNE AND MEN'S EYES, or you might both still be there.
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 19, 2004, 09:11:29 PM
I feel so strange today.

Doing things I've no business doing plus being totally out of sorts.

Adjustments toward getting things done are coming along.  I am slow and I hate typing with only one hand.

Thanks for the well wishes and vibes.

You'd think I could use this time for reading or DVD viewing but I haven't the patience.  I find myself sorting through things and cleaning.

It's so unlike me.

One-handed litter-box cleaning is NOT pretty!
Vibes
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And wishes for patience sent in your direction.  It's a learned skill, and not an easy one.

PS: Litter box?  You make me glad I've always been a dog guy!  Ouch!
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Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 09:16:26 PM
Which reminds me TCB - I keep forgetting  to set the VCR for more episodes of "OZ". I really do need subtitles for much of the dialogue. Lovely to see you here.
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 09:17:25 PM
Good to see you, TCB!
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Post by: TCB on July 19, 2004, 09:17:44 PM
The boxset of SHOWGIRLS sounds deevine. I would love it. Although I already own showgirl pasties. There's a provocative statement for you.

Damn!  I almost ordered that SHOWGIRLS boxset, but I thought they said it came with pastries.
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 19, 2004, 09:19:50 PM
O Joy! O rapture!  Had me some credit to use up at my local DVD place, and I got me my Showgirls box set (not due out for a few weeks, I think).  Showgirls is truly one of the worst movies in the history of the cinema but I want it as a lesson in bad everything.  Also, the box, which is limited, includes your Showgirls shot glasses, Showgirls playing cards, a tutorial on lap dancing, a pin the pasties on the Showgirl game, including the pasties, and ever so much more.
And you're telling DR Noel's Dear Wife all this because...?
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 09:21:10 PM
I'm going to try to do a tiny bit more writing, so there's something to start with in the morning...
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Post by: George on July 19, 2004, 09:23:36 PM
Now I must hie myself to the Wilde of Tangle (housing development) where my parents live and eat the dinner that they will be serving.  I don't know what it will be, but more than likely, it won't be something that I like.  She does that.  Oh, well.  It's free.

Well, I got to my parents' house at about 6:30 and no one was home!  My sister wasn't even there yet.  About 10 minutes later my parents came home.  My mom had taken my dad to the hospital (not the emergency room) because his back has been hurting for a while.  He said something about the discs between the vertebrae being squished, but that it wasn't that serious at this point.  He'll have to take it easy for a while until they can figure out what will be done...or what can be done.  Anyway, they had been gone since about noon-thirty and my mom didn't make anything to eat.  We (my sister, my niece and I) said that she shouldn't worry about starting to cook that late after being at the hospital for so long, so we'd go out.  My parents didn't want to come with us, so my sister, my niece and I went to Applebee's.  I love Applebee's.  I had the Baja Chicken Roll-Up and both my niece and my sister had the Veggie Patch Pizza.  For dessert, I had the White Chocolate and Walnut Blondie and the girls had the Triple Chocolate Meltdown.  I think I had the better dessert. :D A good meal was had by all!!
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 19, 2004, 09:23:50 PM
The boxset of SHOWGIRLS sounds deevine. I would love it. Although I already own showgirl pasties. There's a provocative statement for you.
Fresh, or used?
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Post by: George on July 19, 2004, 09:23:54 PM
George have you tried making requests?

This is never a problem when it happens, it's just that on Mondays (before my mom retired, two weeks ago, she always had Monday's off), my mom will say, "I'm making [so and so] for dinner.  Come on over."  If it's something that I absolutely don't want, I'll either not go (they don't take offense if I don't go) or I'll get something to eat before I go and just visit.
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 19, 2004, 09:28:11 PM
I'm all caught up now.

Happy vibes to everyone.

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Post by: TCB on July 19, 2004, 09:28:37 PM
Good seeing all of you who are here tonight, including Panni, who is supposed to be writing!!!
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Post by: TCB on July 19, 2004, 09:33:51 PM
Question for all the Northwest locals (George, Ann, Jed, and Tomovoz):  Is anyone going to see the concert performance of ASSASSINS in Tacoma Saturday night?
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 09:36:49 PM
TCB - I was writing all day, just did a touch more -- it's always good to leave an unfinished bit to start with the next day -- but now I'm done for the day. In every way.
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Post by: George on July 19, 2004, 09:38:07 PM
Question for all the Northwest locals (George, Ann, Jed, and Tomovoz):  Is anyone going to see the concert performance of ASSASSINS in Tacoma Saturday night?

I might have considered it IF I HAD KNOWN ABOUT IT!!  Do you have any information?
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 19, 2004, 09:41:13 PM
On the down side, der Brucer is now watching Dude, Where's My Car?

If he seems to be suffering from brain freeze when he next posts, we'll all know why.

 :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: Panni on July 19, 2004, 09:43:19 PM
TCB - I ran into the producer of the HBO version of ANGELS IN AMERICA at the Humanitas Awards (I did a movie with him some time ago) and told him I had a friend who was about to view it (meaning you) and was incredibly excited at the prospect. He was pleased to hear this.
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Post by: TCB on July 19, 2004, 10:01:54 PM
George -- I first read about it in Sunday's News Tribune.  This is the info:

What: Found Space Productions' "Assassins," by Stephen Sondheim and John Weidman

(contains strong themes and adult language)

When: 7:30 p.m. Saturday

Where: Kemper Center Theatre, Annie Wright School, 827 Tacoma Ave. N., Tacoma

Admission: Free

Information: 253-318-4788

Panni -- AIA is going to be my excitement for this coming weekend.  I can hardly wait!
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Post by: bk on July 19, 2004, 10:28:56 PM
Sorry about my sudden no-show in chat, I had to leave a bit earlier than expected to deal with some show stuff.  I have no doubt it was lively and sparkling.  Must eat a sandwich now before I fall over.
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Post by: Tomovoz on July 19, 2004, 10:39:08 PM
Question for all the Northwest locals (George, Ann, Jed, and Tomovoz):  Is anyone going to see the concert performance of ASSASSINS in Tacoma Saturday night?

I will certainly be there TCB. - If I can get a ride to the theatre. What time can you pick me up?
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Post by: Ann on July 19, 2004, 11:16:03 PM
TCB - I want to go!! But I'll be in Vermont at my Uncle's wedding... :(
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Post by: TCB on July 19, 2004, 11:23:22 PM
TCB - I want to go!! But I'll be in Vermont at my Uncle's wedding... :(


Couldn't your Uncle have his wedding at Annie Wright?