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Title: WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: bk on November 03, 2004, 12:42:16 AM
Well, you've read the notes (finally), and now you can post until the not responding cows come home (finally).
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Panni on November 03, 2004, 01:11:34 AM
Good to see everything working again. (Although I missed the everything not working part.)
Tomorrow I'm off to Rome where I might not have access to a computer. Back in Budapest on Sunday afternoon.
Still waiting to hear who will be president. Hoping for a miracle of sorts.
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Post by: S. Woody White on November 03, 2004, 01:20:56 AM
Dear BK:

Have you read any good books lately?

How about any really stinker books?

Are there any books out there (as in "recently published") that you want to read, but haven't had the time to do so yet?
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Post by: Danise on November 03, 2004, 03:46:52 AM
Yawn!  What no decision yet? Back to bed for me!  Somebody please call my boss and explain it to her!   :D   ;)

Really I didn't expect it to be decided this easy and that's why I it didn't bother me to go to bed.  

Have a good day everyone!

 :)
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Post by: Ben on November 03, 2004, 03:54:46 AM
Happy Birthday Emily!!!
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on November 03, 2004, 04:18:40 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]Happiest Of Birthdays To DR Emily[/move]
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: elmore3003 on November 03, 2004, 04:27:35 AM
Happy Birthday, DREmily!

Maybe it's the election, maybe Halloween, but last night was a weird night of dreams.  I woke up terrified around 1:15.  I'd been dreaming about the haunted house my grandmother lived in, and the ghosts in the house where I grew up. Somehow in my dream the houses were interrelated, and they may have been so  40 years ago, I'd just never thought about it.  I woke so frightened that I had to turn on some lights and wait for the things that go bump in the night to move on.

My next dream seemed to be tied up with James Kirkwood's comedy UTBU (Unhealthy to Be Unpleasant) about a company that kills unpleasant people.  I like this underappreciated comedy, but I hadn't thought about it in years.  Now I learn this morning that the site was screwed up as well.  I think it's all that electoral hostility and bad vibes in the air.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Dan (the Man) on November 03, 2004, 05:19:54 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]! ! ! ! !  Happy Birthday to DR Emily  ! ! ! ! ![/move]
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Dan (the Man) on November 03, 2004, 05:31:26 AM
I also had a restless night of strange dreams, DR Elmore.  But the only one I can remember clearly was that I was a guest (and I have no idea why I was a guest) on some kind of morning talk show.  All the guests were doing some kind of political skit in which the cap-off was that a door opened and in walked surprise guest-star Bea Arthur, in full Maude regalia, saying "God will get you for that!"  In the dream, I remember that we did a dress rehearsal with a stand-in for Bea.  When we did the skit live for the audience, Bea walked in and said her line.  I felt so excited to meet her that I walked right up to her and planted a big fat kiss right on her lips (I think there was some tongue action going, too.)  The audience roared, Bea looked stunned but not unpleased, I felt embarassed and woke up.

Doctor, what does this dream mean?
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Post by: S. Woody White on November 03, 2004, 05:39:56 AM
It means that anyone whose voice is in the bass range had better plan on some deep kissing if you're in the area.

Scarves are optional.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: S. Woody White on November 03, 2004, 05:41:48 AM
(Very quietly now...)

Happy
Birthday
DR Emily!
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Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: William E. Lurie on November 03, 2004, 06:06:39 AM
I for one would not be unhappy to see you change servers.  Maybe that will solve the technical problems with the radio show and also allow us access to previous shows as initially promised when the server was changed last year.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Kerry on November 03, 2004, 06:34:17 AM
i will say what i always feel on November 3rd as I'm waiting for results (AND OFTEN MORE SO AFTERWARDS): "I'm afraid, Auntie Em, I'm frightened!"
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Stuart on November 03, 2004, 06:42:36 AM
Happy Birthday, DR Emily.
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Post by: MBarnum on November 03, 2004, 07:24:00 AM
Happy, Happy Birthday Emily!!!!!!!

Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Panni on November 03, 2004, 07:25:58 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DR EMILY!
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: MBarnum on November 03, 2004, 07:39:26 AM
DR Jane, I am happy to hear that Bogie is doing a bit better on the fluids! And I am keeping good thoughts for Echo!
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Jennifer on November 03, 2004, 08:05:19 AM
Happy 21st Birthday DR EMILY!!!!!
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Post by: Jrand74 on November 03, 2004, 08:17:17 AM
Happy Birthday, DREMILY.

Senator John Kerry JUST conceded the election.  Is there some kind of Karma that I saw the results on THE PRICE IS RIGHT?
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Jrand74 on November 03, 2004, 08:17:38 AM
I dont' know my dogs from my cats - whew.  Sorry DRJANE.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Lulu on November 03, 2004, 08:20:22 AM
Happy Birthday, Emily.  :)


Jrand: Yes, I think the Price is Right thing probably is due to some bad karma, but it could have been worse - you could have dreamt you soul-kissed Maude last night.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: bk on November 03, 2004, 08:22:37 AM
First of all, apologies for not seeing it was dear reader Emily's birthday.  I'll adjust the notes.  It was twelve-thirty by the time I was able to access the site and I didn't even look at the calendar, which I now normally do.  So, HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR READER EMILY!

Last I heard (moments ago) the election was too close to call and that Ohio might hold the balance and that it could take up to eleven days.  Is this a replay of Gore/Bush and Florida?
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: bk on November 03, 2004, 08:25:36 AM
Dear BK:

Have you read any good books lately?

How about any really stinker books?

Are there any books out there (as in "recently published") that you want to read, but haven't had the time to do so yet?

Because of a) the new novel, b) What If, and c) the script I'm working on, I'm afraid I haven't had time to read anything but the occasional genre magazine and the occasional catalog that shows up at my door.  I have on the table Hank Moonjean's autobiography (Hank is a friend and has been in the business forever, with lots of juicy stories - this book is all about his days at MGM in the fifties and sixties), which I hope to finally get to once I'm through with the script.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Emily on November 03, 2004, 08:28:10 AM
Thank you all for the birthday wishes...

Right now I am too depressed about the American political system to be happy (I was hoping Kerry-Edwards were going to be a nice b-day surprise...)

I'm still praying that somehow they manage to break with statistical probabilities and win Ohio on those quarter of a million absentee and provisional votes.

Sigh... if they don't... WHY GOD WHY???!!!
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: bk on November 03, 2004, 08:31:41 AM
Notes have been adjusted, dear reader Emily, so check 'em out.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Emily on November 03, 2004, 08:43:44 AM
Kerry has conceded defeat according to the CBC and CNN.

*small voice*:

happy birthday to me... (waahhhhhhhhhhhh)
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: DERBRUCER on November 03, 2004, 08:53:18 AM
Happy Birthday Emily:

May you always live up to your expectations!

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/5613952/71973577.jpg)

der Brucer

Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: DERBRUCER on November 03, 2004, 08:55:49 AM
Picture for the Day

Love Your Friends No Matter Who They Are

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/5613952/71972656.jpg)

der Brucer

Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: DERBRUCER on November 03, 2004, 09:00:54 AM
The Daily Warm Fuzzy

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Dog Calls 911, Opens Door for Police
Friday, October 29, 2004
 
RICHLAND, Wash.  — Faith the service dog phoned 911 when her owner fell out of her wheelchair and barked urgently into the receiver until a dispatcher sent help.
Then the 4-year-old Rottweiler  unlocked the front door so the responding police officer could come in.

"I sensed there was a problem on the other end of the 911 call," said dispatcher Jenny Buchanan, who answered the call from Faith.

"The dog was too persistent in barking directly into the phone receiver," Buchanan said at Benton County's Southeast Communications Center . "I knew she was trying to tell me something."

Faith is trained to summon help by pushing a speed-dial button on the phone with her nose after taking the receiver off the hook, said her owner Leana Beasley, 45, who suffers grand mal seizures.

Guided by experts at the Assistance Dog Club of Puget Sound , Beasley helped train Faith herself.

"She's a real trooper," Beasley said Thursday.

The day of the fall, Faith "had been acting very clingy, wanting to be touching me all day long," Beasley said.
The dog, whose sensitive nose can detect changes in Beasley's body chemistry, is trained to alert her owner to impending seizures before they happen.

But that wasn't what was happening on Sept. 7, and Faith apparently wasn't sure how to communicate the problem. During Beasley's subsequent three-week hospital stay, doctors determined her liver was not properly processing her medication for the seizures.
"So my whole system was not working right," she said.
Faith "was just very concerned," Beasley recalled. "She wouldn't let me out of her sight. She wanted to be touchy-feely."

After her adult son left for the graveyard shift, Beasley tried to go to sleep. But Faith kept jumping up on the bed, which is off limits.

"It's kind of hard to sleep when you've got an 80-pound dog running around in circles on your bed," she said.

So Beasley got up and checked to make sure all the doors were locked and that there was no one outside. She made another attempt at sleep, but Faith would have none of it. "Within five minutes she was doing the same thing all over again."

So Beasley got up again and decided to make some hot chocolate.

The last thing she remembers is reaching for the tea kettle.

"I didn't feel anything," she said. "I just went unconscious."

After the call from Faith, Buchanan dispatched Richland police Cpl. Scott Morrell. He arrived to see Faith and her predecessor, now-retired service dog Bronson, peering at him from Beasley's front window.

Morrell knocked, and then realized the door was unlocked.

"Faith had already opened the door for him," Beasley said. The dog has been trained to recognize police officers, firefighters and medical personnel as "special friends with cookies."

Inside, Morrell found Beasley on the kitchen floor — unconscious after striking her head in the fall and suffering a seizure — and called for medical assistance.
Faith watched intently while a paramedic tended Beasley and at one point tried to tell him that another seizure was imminent. He didn't recognize the signal, but minutes later, "Boom, I went into another seizure," Beasley said.

She woke up in the hospital several days later. Faith joined her after her transfer to the Veterans Administration hospital in Walla Walla.

Authorities learned about Faith's intervention when Beasley stopped by to thank Buchanan and Morrell after her release from the hospital.

A Benton County Emergency Services news conference Thursday put Faith and her owner in the limelight.

der Brucer (aove excerpted from a FNC Story)
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: DERBRUCER on November 03, 2004, 09:05:04 AM
Daily Unsolicited Medical Advice:

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THIS IS MY HOME REMEDY......WORKS GREAT, ESPECIALLY THE LAST PART!

Eat right! Make sure you get your daily dose of fruits and veggies.-

Take your Vitamins and bump up your Vitamin C. Get plenty of exercise because exercise helps build your immune system.

Walk for at least 1 hour a day, go for a swim, take the stairs instead of the elevator, etc. Wash your hands often. If you can't wash them, keep a bottle of antibacterial stuff around. Get lots of fresh air. Open windows whenever possible. Get plenty of rest. Try to eliminate as much stress from your life as you can.

OR ...

You can take the doctor's office approach. Think about it, when you go for a shot, what do they do first? Clean your arm with alcohol! Why? Because alcohol kills germs!

So......

I walk to the liquor store (EXERCISE!),
I put lime in my Corona (FRUIT),
celery in my Bloody Mary (VEGGIES),
drink on the bar patio (FRESH AIR),
get drunk, tell jokes, and laugh (ELIMINATE STRESS)
and then pass out (REST).
The way I see it---- when you keep your alcohol levels up flu germs can't get
you!!

~ End ~

der Brucer
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Charles Pogue on November 03, 2004, 09:24:20 AM
America has spoken.  It said, "Duh..."
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Post by: Panni on November 03, 2004, 09:25:50 AM
Another 4 years... Sigh...
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Post by: Jay on November 03, 2004, 09:27:55 AM
One, two, three...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHEER TO DEAR READER EMILY!!!
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Post by: DERBRUCER on November 03, 2004, 09:28:49 AM
Some levity  (for DR Jay)

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In Jerusalem, an American female journalist heard about an Old rabbi who visited the Wailing Wall to pray, twice a day, everyday, for a long, long time.

In an effort to check out the story, she goes to the holy site and there he is!

She watches the bearded old man at prayer--and after about 45 minutes, when he turns to leave, she approaches him for an interview.

"I'm Rebecca Smith from CNN, sir, how long have you been coming to the Wailing Wall and praying?"

For about 50 years, he informs her.

50 years! That's amazing! What do you pray for?"

I pray for peace between the Jews and the Arabs. I pray for all the hatred to stop and I pray for all our children to grow up in safety and friendship."

And how do you feel, sir, after doing this for 50 years?"

"Like I'm talking to a f$#&ing wall."

der Brucer
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Jay on November 03, 2004, 09:29:11 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%][size=8]Clinton/Obama in 2008!!![/size][/move]
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Jay on November 03, 2004, 09:30:53 AM
Some levity  (for DR Jay)der Brucer

Thanks for the laugh.  I needed it this morning.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Jrand74 on November 03, 2004, 09:34:14 AM
My question for ASK BK day this week (and other DR's of course):

When did you get your first VCR, and what was the first movie you bought on tape?
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: bk on November 03, 2004, 09:41:12 AM
My question for ASK BK day this week (and other DR's of course):

When did you get your first VCR, and what was the first movie you bought on tape?

That is an interesting question for everyone.  My memory is I got one of those old top-loading clunkers in the late seventies.  Can't remember what the first movie I bought was, but it was probably the first video incarnation of Nudie Musical.  
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: bk on November 03, 2004, 09:41:56 AM
So, how close was the vote?
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Jennifer on November 03, 2004, 09:59:27 AM
Re: the election

As someone who does not live in the US, I cannot understand this all or nothing approach to determine the presidency.  Why do all electoral votes for the state have to go to one candidate?  This makes no sense to me.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Ben on November 03, 2004, 10:02:16 AM
Join the club Jennifer!
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Charles Pogue on November 03, 2004, 10:06:11 AM
Jay, I think if the Democrats want to lose again in 2008, then nominate Hillary.  As much as I like her, she is too polarizing a figure in this country.  Nor do I think this country is mature enough to elect a woman.  And they're certainly not mature enough to elect a woman prez with a black man as her running mate.  Maybe you didn't notice, but the South won the second Civil War last night with the help of Ohio.
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Post by: Lulu on November 03, 2004, 10:21:55 AM
Nobody knows why we have the electoral college.  I'll repeat that (I think it bears repeating): nobody knows why we have the electoral college.  There are many theories regarding its formation that historians love to debate, but we will never, ever know for sure.

That said, one of the theories that seems to make sense (which might in itself preclude its accuracy) is that the Founding Fathers never intended for the president to be voted into office.  Rather, the president would be appointed by other duly elected officials (which over the years became the electors in the electoral college).  

It's important to remember that the US was originally conceived as a republic in which each state would be sovereign unto itself.  Under those circumstances, the presidency would NOT have been the highest nor the most powerful office in the land.  Originally, the governors of each state had the most power.  Of course, we all know that the US government is very different from the way it was initially conceived.

Anyway, the electoral college has been a bone of contention for some time, and every election year there's a big brouhaha in which people become incensed, and every year it blows over with nothing whatsoever being done to overhaul this archaic and deeply flawed system.  

Why?

Well, the politicians don't do anything because it's an incredibly easy system to tamper with.  And the citizenry doesn't do anything because by and large, it doesn't want to get off its collective duff (and thus risk missing the latest episode of Fear Factor, et al) and force a change.  So confusion, chaos, and corruption reign.

(cue the last bar of "Battle Hymn of the Republic" being softly hummed by adorable 3rd graders, gradually swelling to a tearful crescendo)    And that, my fellow Americans - and otherwise -  is what the electoral college is all about.

(His - truth - is - mar- ching -ON!)
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Ron Pulliam on November 03, 2004, 10:26:59 AM
DR Pogue is absolutely right about Hillary not having a chance at present, I'm afraid.

I don't know why she is so reviled, but men who don't like her apparently cannot stand her because she's strong and independent-minded, and women cannot stand her because she "stood by her man" without seeming to mind about the affairs he allegedly has had.

What bothers me enormously is that so much of that has nothing whatever to do with a person's ability to be a strong President.  

We have an overwhelming "middle America' that seems intent on being led by the nose back into the middle/dark ages.

We leaped out of the 20th century into the 14th century in some ways.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Lulu on November 03, 2004, 10:27:34 AM
 Sadly, Charles Pogue, I think you are right on the money.
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Post by: MBarnum on November 03, 2004, 10:48:12 AM
My first VCR was purchased from Montgomery Wards in, I think, around 1985 for $400.00! Whew! And the first video I remember buying was the Raymond Burr/Barbara Payton film BRIDE OF THE GORILLA which we sold at the Bi-Mart in which I worked.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Stuart on November 03, 2004, 10:55:36 AM
Jay, I think if the Democrats want to lose again in 2008, then nominate Hillary.  As much as I like her, she is too polarizing a figure in this country.  

I can't help but agree with you DR Pogue....I love her, I think she is intelligent and wellspoken.  But let me tell you, if you thought she was reviled in some parts of NYC, just come upstate.  They don't seem to have one good word for her, forgetting how much as she has been trying to accomplish for us.

But, yes, she would get my vote for President.  But probably not many others.

However, I just adore the thought of Bill as "First Gentleman."
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: elmore3003 on November 03, 2004, 10:56:29 AM
Re: the election

As someone who does not live in the US, I cannot understand this all or nothing approach to determine the presidency.  Why do all electoral votes for the state have to go to one candidate?  This makes no sense to me.

DRJennifer, in a simplified version:  it's an antiquated system that should have been revised in 2000 when Al Gore won the popular vote of the nation and a bumch of Bush supporters, including his brother, in Florida screwed the system and its voters and gave the electoral votes to Bush, which is how he won the election.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Stuart on November 03, 2004, 10:57:42 AM

What bothers me enormously is that so much of that has nothing whatever to do with a person's ability to be a strong President.  


In fact, I think it informs a person's ability to be President.

Odd, DR RLP, that we should both use the word "reviled" in describing people's emotions about Mrs. Clinton.
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Post by: Lulu on November 03, 2004, 10:59:41 AM
My parents purchased our first VCR circa '84.  I can't remember what tapes they first purchased - officially released tapes were insanely expensive back then; $30 was about as cheap as most of them came, and $80 was not at all unheard of - but I do remember lots of ($6 a pop) blank tapes that my dad gleefully filled with channel 4's daily reruns of Perry Mason.

I well remember the first time I ever watched a movie on a VCR, though.  It was late '83 or early '84 and I was at a friend's house.  I was amazed to discover she had that machine "for rich people" (as my mother called it) that you could watch movies on!  And she had Raiders of the Lost Ark!  Gasp!  I mean, only 2 short years ago it had been playing in theaters, and here she could watch it ANYTIME SHE WANTED!  You'd better believe I wheedled her into firing that puppy up, and as I saw the now all too familiar FBI warning for the first time, a warm glow spread through me.  I was hooked.
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Post by: George on November 03, 2004, 11:12:23 AM
HAPPY 21st BIRTHDAY, D.R. EMILY!!

Of course, since you live in Canada, it's not as significant a birthday as it is in the US.  You've been legal to drink for two years, now!  But still, have a great birthday!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on November 03, 2004, 11:13:49 AM
Good Afternoon!

Well, the sun finally came out again here in Houston... That's saying something... or something... (ah, a Company reference, sort of)...

I slept till Noon. -Isn't that just too exciting?

-Watching the concession speech now...

Gonna hop in the shower and get ready to head over to the Galleria to meet some friends for a late lunch.  Hmm.. Maybe I'll go ice-skating this afternoon!  NOT!

As for VCRs: We had one of those JVC top-loading deals - the one with the over-sized colored buttons.  It actually lasted quite a long time.  -Now I'm just wondering what happened to that Beta machine that my cousin had - boy, could that thing rewind and fast-forward fast!  As for first VHS cassette... hmm... I really have no idea.

Laters...
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Post by: JoseSPiano on November 03, 2004, 11:14:44 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DR EMILY!
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Post by: Stuart on November 03, 2004, 11:17:30 AM
Oh, yes, my frist VCR:

I got it in December 1986, as part of a legacy left to me by a friend who had just died.  It lasted a good ten years after that, too.

The first movie I owned?  That's a hard one....I was never one for buying movies, as I am not a "movie" person, per se.  It actually might have been VOTD, when it was released on VHS.

Now, the first movie I rented....well, that's not a story for this family-friendly board.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Stuart on November 03, 2004, 11:20:49 AM
A direct quote from a good friend who just E-mailed me to commiserate on the election results:

"we survived the pharoah's in egypt, so hopefully we'll get thru this also..."
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Post by: Jrand74 on November 03, 2004, 11:23:44 AM
I bought my first VCR (to answer my own question) in July, 1985, with some of the money I got from the contract with the Phoenix Theatre to produce my play MY HAND IS NOT MY HEART.  It cost $239 + tax.  It was a Sylvania top loader with a remote with a long wire!

My first video (I rented a couple before I bought one) was ATTACK OF THE 50 FOOT WOMAN which was on sale for $19.95!  I still have the tape and watch it first every time I buy a new television set or other piece of video hardware.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on November 03, 2004, 11:29:51 AM
Nobody knows why we have the electoral college.  I'll repeat that (I think it bears repeating): nobody knows why we have the electoral college.  There are many theories regarding its formation that historians love to debate, but we will never, ever know for sure.

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My Comment:
At the Constitutional convention, each state had one vote; the less populated states feared a Dictatorship of the Majority - the Electoral College ensured that does not happen


Anyway, the electoral college has been a bone of contention for some time, and every election year there's a big brouhaha in which people become incensed, and every year it blows over with nothing whatsoever being done to overhaul this archaic and deeply flawed system.  

Why?

Well, the politicians don't do anything because it's an incredibly easy system to tamper with.  And the citizenry doesn't do anything because by and large, it doesn't want to get off its collective duff (and thus risk missing the latest episode of Fear Factor, et al) and force a change.  So confusion, chaos, and corruption reign.

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My Comment:

The politicians don't do anything about it because, realistically, the people who are required to change it are the people who most benefit from it - the Electoral College favors small, less populated states over the larger, more populated states; to change the Constitution requires an 3/4 vote of all the states - since more than 25% of the states benefit from the status quo, they are unlikely to change it.


der Brucer (observing that this Country has always been, and is likely to remain, a representative republic - not a pure Democracy)
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 11:36:52 AM
Re: the election

As someone who does not live in the US, I cannot understand this all or nothing approach to determine the presidency.  Why do all electoral votes for the state have to go to one candidate?  This makes no sense to me.

You don't have to live outside of the US to be confused.   ???
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Post by: Panni on November 03, 2004, 11:43:42 AM
Heading to Rome in the morning. I think i already posted that -- but with the 9 hour difference, it's like i go through each day twice.
Anyway, i probably won't be posting until Sunday. See you all later!
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 11:44:54 AM
A VERY BIG HAPPY 21ST BIRTHDAY TO EMILY!!

Panni have a good time in Rome.
Title: Re:WEBSITE NOT RESPONDING
Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 11:47:47 AM
Thank you MBarnum.  Echo and I had a lovely hike with our Wednesday morning group.  I just wish I had remembered to take the camera.

JRand-LOL

DerBrucer-cute pics.  I heard about the 911 call on the news-amazing story.  I know Echo, if trained to do so, could do that.

Jay, so far I like Obama-but Clinton…I don’t care if groaning isn’t allowed here-GROAN.  RLP and my reasons to dislike Hillary have little to do with the fact she “stood by her man”.  That is her business, but Stuart mentioned one of my reasons-the thought of Bill in the White House again.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on November 03, 2004, 11:50:53 AM
My first VCR was a Panasonic top-loader that I bought at Wall-To-Wall Sound and Video for about $425 in January, 1983.  I bought it with the express purpose to tape the RSC's Nicholas Nickleby on PBS.  

I can't for the life of me remember what was the first movie I purchased.  It was probably a used rental of something.  IIRC (internet lingo!), movies had an odd pricing for releases back then.  Initially, they cost in the $80 to $90 dollar range, then dropped to about $24.00 a few months later after their rental exposure had died down.  I'm not sure, but I think the first priced-to-buy VHS release was E.T..

The first movie that I ever rented was that 80s sci-fi classic, Liquid Sky.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on November 03, 2004, 12:07:28 PM
Happy Birthday, Dear Reader Emily!!

I am so glad the election is all over.

We bought a beta recorder/player first.  I rented Pinnochio for the kids. and I remember that if we lost or damaged the tape, it would cost $80 to replace it.
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Post by: S. Woody White on November 03, 2004, 12:13:08 PM
I honestly can't remember when der B purchased our first VCR.  I DO remember that it happened at the same time that he replaced the television set, and I think it took place when he bought our first CD player.  Figure all this took place about 19 years ago.

I don't remember us buying that many pre-recorded tapes, either.  We rented tapes, and bought blank tapes for recording shows we wanted to save.  (I was a major Dr. Who fan at the time.)

I do remember that one of the first tapes we rented was the botch made of Pippin.  Well, at least I got that over with early.
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Post by: TCB on November 03, 2004, 12:17:19 PM
A direct quote from a good friend who just E-mailed me to commiserate on the election results:

"we survived the pharaoh’s in Egypt, so hopefully we'll get thru this also..."



Yes, but after the pharaoh, it still took forty years to get to the Promised Land!
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Post by: S. Woody White on November 03, 2004, 12:20:47 PM
DR Jose: Alton Brown's I'm Just Here for MORE Food arrived in the mail yesterday, and it looks pretty good.  Heavy on the science, of course, which is why Brown is so good.  He tackles baking this time, dividing the book in to mixing methods, which makes sense.

One interesting feature of the book is the "flaps", which are exactly that: longer pages at the start of each section, containing a summary of the mixing method being discussed.  This saves time, as readers won't have to keep reading the same basic information with each recipe, which would get repetitious.  They also make great bookmarks.

(Only, when I'm working from a cookbook and don't want to mess it up in the kitchen, I'm more likely to type out the instructions and make a print-out.  This habit keeps my cookbooks cleaner, and there's no way I can go into the kitchen without having actually read the recipe!)
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Post by: Matt H. on November 03, 2004, 12:26:03 PM
I tried to get on last night to talk about REVENGE OF THE CREATURE, but, as we all know, the site was unavailable.

Anyway, I had a good time with it. Only vaguely remembered it, and while there isn't much story that's different from the first in any significent way, nice eye candy with the two hunks. Picture looked pretty good for the most part. Some scenes were much grainier than others, and, of course, the underwater stuff was never as clear as the rest.
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Post by: S. Woody White on November 03, 2004, 12:27:08 PM
If this makes anyone feel better, here's a slogan I read elsewhere:

DEMOCRATS ARE SEXY
When was the last time anyone wanted a nice piece of elephant?
[/size]
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Post by: S. Woody White on November 03, 2004, 12:29:47 PM
Before I forget, Jose, there's a new Good Eats on tonight: True Grits!
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Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 12:30:24 PM
I’m not sure what year we purchased our first VCR. I know we lived in Pennsylvania, so maybe 20 years ago.  I think the boys were home with a sitter.  I do know they were not with me waiting at the Vets, with multiple animals, for Keith to pick me up after he was done with a “quick” errand.  It was a rather chilly spring day and I had to wait close to an hour for him.  He picked me up with a big apology and a happy face.  We rushed home so the person who sold Keith the new TV (had to have a new set to go with the VCR) could set it up for us.
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Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 12:31:19 PM
SWW-cute.
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Post by: Matt H. on November 03, 2004, 12:31:31 PM
Happy Birthday, DR Emily!!

It was the mid-to-late 1970s when I bought my first VCR - one of those RCA Selectavision models with the colored buttons for Play-Record-Rewind-Fast Forward-Pause.

Anyway, the first movie I bought was, like DR Stuart, VALLEY OF THE DOLLS. Fox was then releasing their films with the label Magnetic Video. And I'm sure THE WIZARD OF OZ was also an early purchase.

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Post by: Emily on November 03, 2004, 12:33:45 PM
HAPPY 21st BIRTHDAY, D.R. EMILY!!

Of course, since you live in Canada, it's not as significant a birthday as it is in the US.  You've been legal to drink for two years, now!  But still, have a great birthday!

Thanks for the birthday wish and you're right about 21 not being a big deal here.  

Also - I've been able to "legally" drink for three years now since QC has a drinking age of 18.  Actually, Ontario is the only province that has the higher than normal limit of 19.

But then again, in Montreal for the most part the legal drinking age is merely a suggestion.  Did I ever tell you about the sweet sixteen party I went to with an open bar? ;)
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Post by: Emily on November 03, 2004, 12:37:09 PM
If this makes anyone feel better, here's a slogan I read elsewhere:

DEMOCRATS ARE SEXY
When was the last time anyone wanted a nice piece of elephant?
[/size]

Thanks for the laugh S. Woody! :D

Speaking of which, why do political parties choose such AWFUL symbols and nicknames.  I mean in the states you have a DONKEY as a party symbol (the elephant really isn't *that* much better) and here you have party who's acceptedly known as the "Grits".   WHAT is up with THAT?
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Post by: Emily on November 03, 2004, 12:38:22 PM
Ooh and for a while we in Canada also had the Canadian Reform Alliance Party...

Try to figure out what THAT party was not-so-affectionately abbreviated to :D
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 03, 2004, 12:45:14 PM
Congratulations and Happy Birthday DR Emily.

My first VCR was a Philips recorder - the spools were one on top of the other rather than being side by side.  It had excellent quality as a recorder but lost out int he race.  I don't think any movies were ever released in the format.

The first movie I purchased was I think, "Alice In Wonderland".. By then we had a top loading regular format VCR. (National/Panasonic).. It is still going (does not record these days) 2o+ years later.
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Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 12:52:00 PM
Emily thanks for the laughs on your birthday.
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Post by: Ann on November 03, 2004, 12:53:19 PM
I am not a person who cries easily...but when I listened to Kerry give his concession speech this morning, I got a large lump in my throat and tears in my eyes.  That's all I have to say on the matter.


I remember the first VCR we got...I think I was about 5 or 6.  The first thing I remember watching on it was a Bugs Bunny cartoon.  The first actual video I watched on it was also the first one my sister and I owned...The Wizard Of Oz.  
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Post by: elmore3003 on November 03, 2004, 01:07:03 PM
I am not a person who cries easily...but when I listened to Kerry give his concession speech this morning, I got a large lump in my throat and tears in my eyes.  That's all I have to say on the matter.

DRAnn, me, too.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on November 03, 2004, 01:15:41 PM
I haven't seen Kerry's speech yet. I don't think I could handle it being in the office.

All day I've been pretty much keeping to myself.  I feel so down.  I want to go out and get hammered or get laid or both.

Anyone have Bea Arthur's phone number?
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Post by: Jrand74 on November 03, 2004, 01:28:10 PM
The defeated governor of Indiana just said that he could always get a job tending bar and his wife can wait on tables.

Hope he is better at that than he was at being governor.
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Post by: Matthew on November 03, 2004, 01:30:53 PM
Happy Birthday, DR Emily.

I've surfaced from the pit of "The Secret Garden".  The show is in OK shape.  It's well sung, that's all I care about, OH and that the sound tech remembers to bring the actors up when they are singing.

Question for bk to ask Guy Haines.  What was your all time favorite song to record and did bk ever make you record a song you didn't really care for?  

Guy Haines shuffled on to the iPod this morning on the way to work and I always forget what a wonderful soothing voice he has.
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Post by: George on November 03, 2004, 01:36:12 PM
My question for ASK BK day this week (and other DR's of course):

When did you get your first VCR, and what was the first movie you bought on tape?

The first VCR that my parents had was (I don't remember the brand) a machine that only had 12 channels!  You opened the top compartment right above where the channels displayed and there were little wheels and a screwdriver-like tool to change the channel bands:  1-13, 14-30 or so, 31-whatever.  You had to individually select each actual channel for the channel number that you wanted to keep.  So you line up could actually be 2,4, 23, 8, 7, etc., in what is listed as channels 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc., etc., etc. (a King and I reference).  

The first VCR that I[/i] owned was a hand-me-down from my sister, although it was still fairly new.  When I graduated from college, got a job and finally moved out from my parents' house with a housemate (here in Olympia), she (my housemate) had the exact same VCR!  She actually got it from a family when she was a nanny...and she got it in New York!  Anyway, anytime that you used one remote, BOTH VCRs started working.  It was especially difficult when I set them up to tape between each other.  I had to put something (usually a tape box) in front of one of the VCRs so that the remote signal wouldn't be picked up by both VCRs.  Now I make sure that I have different brands. ::)
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Post by: George on November 03, 2004, 01:37:43 PM
Guy Haines shuffled on to the iPod this morning on the way to work and I always forget what a wonderful soothing voice he has.

I still have my Guy Haines CD from yesterday.  I think I need to listen to a friendly singing voice again. :D
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Post by: elmore3003 on November 03, 2004, 02:14:00 PM
Well, the Kerry concession is all over the news, and that moron-nazi party wins because they play the terrorist card.  The irony here is that I live in the city that's one of the two spots of terrorist activity in 2001, and I don't buy the terrorist threat at all!  I thinks it's been a lot of Republican propaganda for the past two years to justify an unjust military activity.  I'm appalled that some many moronic American voters fell for that instead of looking out for their civil rights, economic situation, or threats to the Constitution.  I'm going to be pissed for a long time.
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Post by: Emily on November 03, 2004, 02:22:01 PM
Well, the Kerry concession is all over the news, and that moron-nazi party wins because they play the terrorist card.  The irony here is that I live in the city that's one of the two spots of terrorist activity in 2001, and I don't buy the terrorist threat at all!  I thinks it's been a lot of Republican propaganda for the past two years to justify an unjust military activity.  I'm appalled that some many moronic American voters fell for that instead of looking out for their civil rights, economic situation, or threats to the Constitution.  I'm going to be pissed for a long time.

Elmore I am far from a Republican (heck... I'm not even American) but insinuating that members of that party are "nazis" is wrong - especially because there are several Republican members at this here site who are anything BUT fascists.  It's paramount to Democrats having been called communists back in the Cold War.  

Anger is fine but labelling people based on their party affiliation (which oftener than not doesn't really have all that much to do with their ideological look on life) is not cool.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on November 03, 2004, 02:24:35 PM
Elmore, I share your anger, bitterness, and depression.  We'll be feeling the eight years of the Bush regime for a long, long time...probably the rest of our lives. And do we have Jeb to look forward to inanother four years.

Jane, re: Clinton, Bill.  When Lincoln wanted to make Grant his commander-in-chief, he was warned by his advisors that Grant drank.  Lincoln said something like:  "He wins battles.  Find out what he drinks and send it to all my generals."

Clinton's eight years were certainly profitable and good to me and mine.  I was far better off four years ago, before Bush.  If getting a bj in the White House means nationwide prosperity, a balanced budget, and a government that has a sense of social awareness and fiscal responsibility, then I wish all presidents got a bj in the White House.

Well, one thing, with the GOP owning the legislature, the judiciary, and the White House, they can't blame a damned thing on the Democrats.  Bush won't be able to deny his mistakes and weasel out of responsibility for what comes.
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Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 02:40:10 PM
Living in a state which supported Kerry I keep hearing this theory that the only reason anyone voted for Bush was the “fear factor”.  Yet, the “fear factor” has never been mentioned to me by anyone I know who voted for Bush.  I personally was very sad Kerry was elected to represent the Democrats in this election.  I’m sorry elmore but I really believe that is why Bush won and I just pray he does a better job of it this time around.
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Post by: Noel on November 03, 2004, 02:47:53 PM
Despair and devastation - two words I've often had trouble spelling - are all I'm feeling today, the saddest day in American political history.  Me, and the people I've been around have been breaking into tears all day.  A young lady I know has two younger brothers, and she can't help but picture they'll be sent into a war zone somewhere.  The people from Europe endeavor to explain how foolish we look from their perspective, and the woman from Texas reminds us that not all Texans are stupid, as the self-proclaimed Christian reminds us that not all church-goers voted for Bush.

I think the real winner yesterday was Osama Bin Laden.  Remember how a terrorist act influenced the Spanish election?  Well, although it's been more than 3 years since 9/11/01, the vote was the logical conclusion of the fear it wrought.

It's said that voters vote their pocketbooks, but that didn't happen this time.  Or that an incumbent president will do only as well as his approval rating, which didn't happen this time either.  Or that the perceived "morality" of the two candidates counted for something, which is bull because Bush blithely sent over a thousand soldiers to their death for a dubious cause.

Take every argument you ever made in favor of Kerry over Bush.  Take them one at a time and compare it to this thought: "There hasn't been a second attack."  Very few people blame Bush for the first attack, but the untold story of this election is that very many people credit him for warding off a second attack.  This spilled over into a belief that America would be less safe under Kerry.  That's the thrust of the entire campaign right there.

People who are extremely afraid lose the power to think.  Thus, the march to Bush's victory began on that sobering day of 9/11 - a tragedy that made us stop and think about safety, for just about the first time.  And soon came the Patriot Act, the most anti-constitutional law ever passed, eviscerating the Bill of Rights.  And people were too scared to think.  The thought went "this is worth doing, because it can make us safer."  And, as a New Yorker, I've some sympathy for that desire to feel safer.  But many threw out their reason along the way.

And a war that would have been prevented by a motivated electorate was allowed because enough Americans thought "it can make us safer."  And those color-coated warnings, and airport security lines: we tolerate it all, because the government has fed our fears and said "Here, fearful one, here's what we're doing to make you safer."

Osama's latest tape was, of course, the October surprise.  I'm not implying it was put out by the Bush administration.  It was Al Quaeda, reminding us to be fearful.  And, for most voters, there was something comforting about sticking with the man at the helm of the "warding off a second attack" effort.

The best elections are won on hope.  People casting ballots with enthusiasm because they believe their candidate can help make America better.  This election was won on fear; the fear of a further attack trumped all the other arguments.  Which is why talking to Bush supporters was like shouting in the wind.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on November 03, 2004, 03:03:20 PM
Before I forget, Jose, there's a new Good Eats on tonight: True Grits!

...As I was trying to say before my computer automatically re-booted after my latest virus-ware update downloaded (I hate when that happens)...

Thanks for the head-up, DR SWW.  Unfortunately, the cable system here in the hotel in Houston does not get the Food Network.  And, trust me, I have been going through withdrawal - especially when it comes to late-night, post-show TV viewing.

However, the other day I stopped over at Eatzi's to get some dinner, and I noticed that they keep FoodTV on in the cafe seating area.  Alas, the show that was on was Ina Garten's "Barefoot Contessa"...and, of course, it was an episode I have seen at least twice, if not thrice, before.  I like Ina Garten, but she's certainly no Alton Brown, and she's definitely now Tyler Florence (a.k.a. my future husband).
;D

-But at least I got some "fix" of my FoodTV.

-And how I wish Emeril did not dominate the 8:00pm/Midnight hour block.  I know he's ensconced in that time period for years to come, but some variety every now and then would be nice.  -Especially when it comes to the aforementioned late-night, post-show TV viewing.
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Post by: elmore3003 on November 03, 2004, 03:03:52 PM
Elmore I am far from a Republican (heck... I'm not even American) but insinuating that members of that party are "nazis" is wrong - especially because there are several Republican members at this here site who are anything BUT fascists.  It's paramount to Democrats having been called communists back in the Cold War.  

DREmily, your rebuke is well taken, but I know many Republicans who did not vote for this administration because of their policies and anger over an unjust war.  My nazi accusations refer only to this current Republican regime and to my feelings that a lot of neo-fascists as well as a lot of non-thinking idiots voted this regime back in.  My homestate Ohio seems to be home to a large number of them, as I was aware when I lived there, and I'm much happier away from the state.
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Post by: elmore3003 on November 03, 2004, 03:06:31 PM

Well, one thing, with the GOP owning the legislature, the judiciary, and the White House, they can't blame a damned thing on the Democrats.  Bush won't be able to deny his mistakes and weasel out of responsibility for what comes.

DRCharlesPogue, I can always count on you to balance my rage with some very sage advice here.  Thanks.
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Post by: elmore3003 on November 03, 2004, 03:12:42 PM
Yet, the “fear factor” has never been mentioned to me by anyone I know who voted for Bush.  I personally was very sad Kerry was elected to represent the Democrats in this election.  I’m sorry elmore but I really believe that is why Bush won and I just pray he does a better job of it this time around.

DRJane, according to the news analysts, the war on terror was a primary reason for his re-election in the hinterlands.  I've had the radio and tv on all day.  The voters seemed less concerned with economics and the Constitution, stating the Democrats were pushing gay marriage and demise of the Bible, and the Bible-belt religious right has been quite instrumental in this election passing a lot of lying propaganda to its voters.  I don't think Dubya will do any better this round since he's the puppet of Cheney, Ashcroft, and the rest of the warmongers.  They pull the strings and he dances.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on November 03, 2004, 03:17:34 PM
As far as the election and election results are concerned...  I think Kerry' final "prayer" of his concession speech sums my thoughts up:

God Bless America

-Whether you spell God with a "small g" or a "capital G", or some other letter of the alphabet...  Let us just hope that we all truly begin to see ourselves as Americans, rather than a member of some political party which is represented by an animal.

I've never been heavily into politics, but I have started to pay more than a passing glance to the news the past couple of months.  Virginia has become a "legally" gay-unfriendly Commonwealth in the past couple of months.  -And I find it ironic that the state of Texas is actually gay-friendly - or at least gay-tolerant.

I'd say more, but I know I'd just ramble right now...
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Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 03:24:08 PM
CP I have always liked Lincoln’s quote regarding Grant-LOL.  I still found Bill to be an embarrassment and I would have to like Hillary far more than I do now before I would want them back together leading our country.  Fear not, I am capable of disliking the man and appreciating what he did right.  

Please remember I’m not defending Bush or his presidency so far, simply the fact there are reasons not to like Kerry and not all Bush supporters found him comforting, just more so than Kerry.  As for shouting in the wind, boy you should have heard some of the Kerry supporters in Oregon.  And yes, I too am scared about the next four years.  If Kerry had been elected as I honestly thought he would be, I would still have been concerned about our future.  Either side was not going to comfort me.   Unlike many of you I began without hope and today doesn’t have the same painful effect on me.

I envy all you who have been Kerry or Bush fans.  What I want is a candidate I can feel passionate about again, preferably a Democrat, but at this point I will take one in any party.  

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Post by: Ann on November 03, 2004, 03:24:19 PM
I have to agree with DR Jane.  In order to have any chance of defeating Bush in this election, the Democrats needed to produce a REALLY strong candidate.  As much as I admire Kerry as a public speaker and as an intelligent human being, he simply wasn't a strong enough choice.  People were saying last night that the Democrats were starting to promote the "ABB" strategy..."Anybody But Bush."  A good notion, perhaps, but not enough to win them an election.  It makes me very sad...not surprised...but deeply sad.    
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Post by: JoseSPiano on November 03, 2004, 03:29:46 PM
-Oh, one thing I did hear on NPR while driving around this afternoon, and which I did thing was a good thing to point out...  And even though the whole "numbers" spin is already driving me up the wall...

There was a record turnout of voters this election.

There was a record amount of voters voting for Bush.

There was a record amount of voters voting for Kerry.

Consequently, there was a record amount of voters voting against Bush.  -And a record amount of voters voting against Kerry.

Let's just hope that this means that more of the American public will begin to analyze and think about how their leaders - our leaders - are leading our Country.  Accountability.
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Post by: Ann on November 03, 2004, 03:31:09 PM
and btw, can I just say...I do love it here on HHW.  On many other chat boards I have looked at this morning, there are cruel ugly words being spoken as people lash out at each other.  Such bickering doesn't help anything...and we all seem to know that here.  Here I see people discussing their opinions with eloquence and tact...even contrary opinions.  I can't begin to say how much I love seeing that.  :)
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Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 03:32:55 PM
elmore, I'm pleased that my friends who voted for Bush had better personal reasons than just the war on terror, if I agree with their politics or not.

Ann I don’t know about you, but by the time Oregon voted in the primaries we didn’t have much of a say-Kerry was already elected.  I wish the primaries were across the country at the same time.
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Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 03:39:52 PM
Very true Ann.   I might never feel the same about a close friend because of the way she treated me.  All I did was try and answer her question as to why anyone could be undecided in this election.  The next day I thought she was sending me an email to apologize (Keith did also) but no it was more of the same.  Talking to her was definitely like trying to talk into the wind.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on November 03, 2004, 03:43:02 PM
Back to the Food...

For lunch, I headed over to Becks Prime.  Some of the locals had mentioned that Becks has some of the best burgers in Houston, county, state, country, etc.  And they're claims seemed to have been dead on.

What a great burger!  1/2 pound of ground chuck - ground daily in the restaurant - cooked/grilled to order! -And some pretty decent fries too!  -Skin-on, the way I like them!

I also found the whole Becks Prime operation kind of unique.  Technically, it's a "fast-food" operation, but it's far from fast-food.  Yes, they have drive-thrus.  Yes, you place your order at a counter.  Yes, they serve burgers and fries and sodas and shakes.  But...

After you place your order, you get a beeper that will tell you when your order is ready.  -However, since I was one of two customers in the place this afternoon, the manager went ahead and brought my order to the table.  The menu does center on beef, but it also includes various cuts of steak, chicken and fish.  And some of their "Prime Dinners" are true dinners - even being priced in the $10.00 and up range.  Filet mignon, aged-steaks...The Big T-Bone dinner was listed at $21.95.  Definitely not your typical fast food place.

-Of course, I just had to wonder at the "convenience" of the drive-thru since every order is cooked to order.

*Oh, I have driven by one of their locations during the lunch rush, and the amount of smoke coming from their "exhaust system" was quite abundant.  -And sort of mouth-watering... Hmm.. mouth-watering exhaust... Hmmm...

:P

In short, if you happen to find yourself in Houston, give Becks Prime a try.

-And, trust me, I have in no way been compensated for this endorsement.  ...Darn!! ;-)
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 03, 2004, 03:56:14 PM
A break from thinking abut disappoinments and bleak futures!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on November 03, 2004, 03:57:32 PM
A break from thinking abut disappoinments and bleak futures!

Thank you, Dr Tomovoz!

Hmmm... France... Hmm...

;)

-I'm off to the theatre...

Laters...
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Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 04:00:12 PM
Those fries sound good but no homemade veggie burger?
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Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 04:01:26 PM
Tomovoz-LOL and another beautiful photo taken from a great angle.
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Post by: Jennifer on November 03, 2004, 04:02:46 PM
Thanks guys for all the vibes.  Unfortunately the court case did not go well.  I feel bad being down when so many of you are so upset today.  But I feel totally disheartened by the US legal system.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 03, 2004, 04:05:23 PM
Tomovoz-LOL and another beautiful photo taken from a great angle.
So standing on the roof was worth it?
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Post by: Danise on November 03, 2004, 04:06:54 PM
Evening all.

Well, I guess I should have slept longer.  Somebody wake me in four years when this nightmare is over.  

I’m stunned.  Simply stunned, heartsick and very, very, very scared.  I guess we can kiss Social Sercruity goodbye.  Don't even get me started on everything else.  Enough said.

Elmore, you and I must have been on the same wavelength, dream wise.  I also dreamed of a house last night.  I dreamed my Mother called me at work and said (like she did all those years ago) “I bought a house.”.  I thought “Oh, no!  Not AGAIN!” and sure enough, it was a horrible place, worse then the house we have now.  What that means, I know not.

Panni, have a very good time but please be safe.
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A Very Happy Birthday to DR Emily!  Many, many, many more![/move]

I know the first VCR I had was one of those big button type with the top load.  I also remember paying a hundred dollars for Star Wars when it came out on VHS.  

I got the results from my dye test.  They didn’t find anything but the doctor still wants to see me.  So the “something” he thought was there was “nothing” and he still wants me to come to the office so he can get his twenty dollar co-pay.  Sigh.

I suppose one must put things into perspective.  At least the mess is over so we don’t have to worry about missing tonight’s Lost episode.   ::)




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Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 04:17:18 PM
Tomovoz, absolutely. :D

Danise-we must not miss out on LOST-LOL
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Post by: bk on November 03, 2004, 04:35:23 PM
I must say all the heartfelt posting here today is very smart and touching as well.  I, too, agree with Jane - no other website has a group of people (and lurkers) like this.  I'm proud of this here site and everyone who reads and/or posts to it.  As I've said, we occasionally have our differences, we occasionally bruise egos, but overall the amount of care and respect here is heartening in the Internet age.  There, I've said it and I'm glad.

I tought Miss Barbara Deustch her song and she'll be wonderful.  It was originally written in the key of E, which I knew would be too high for her, so four days ago I dropped it to C and learned how to play it in that key so that I was finally comfortable.  Unfortunately, C was also too high, so today I dropped it to A.  I'm now trying to get comfortable playing it in A, a much less friendly key for this particular song, piano-wise.  I've pretty much got it down except for the vamp, which I just can't get used to in this key.  Hopefully, I'll be used to it by noon tomorrow.
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Post by: td on November 03, 2004, 04:36:26 PM
(http://www.emilypost.com/gfx/photos/emilyinparis.jpg)

! !It's a POST to say Happy Birthday EMILY!  !
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Post by: Sandra on November 03, 2004, 04:41:28 PM
Happy birthday, Dear Reader Emily!

I don't like to get into political discussions, so I'm not going to comment on the big news story of the day.

Other than that, I don't have much to say.
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Post by: Michael on November 03, 2004, 04:44:06 PM


My next dream seemed to be tied up with James Kirkwood's comedy UTBU (Unhealthy to Be Unpleasant) about a company

Had to read this line a couple of times. Being tied up with James Kirkwood certianlly peaked my interest! ;D
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Post by: td on November 03, 2004, 04:47:53 PM
I do believe that DR Jane expressed my feelings exactly, and quite briefly and concisely, too:  I had no passion for either candidate, rather my passion was in trying to dismantle one man's rule with the weapon of my single vote.  One consolation I found whilst watching results on www.cnn.com last night, was that Kerry did take my particular voting district in Pennsylvania by storm.
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Post by: Michael on November 03, 2004, 04:53:33 PM
Happy Birthday Emily!
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Post by: Michael on November 03, 2004, 04:54:42 PM
Hoping Hilary Clinton runs in 2008 so she can lick Bush and the republicans!
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 03, 2004, 04:55:37 PM
DR Elmore and Mr Kirkwood - Tied. "Of Human Bandage" perhaps.
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Post by: Michael on November 03, 2004, 05:08:41 PM
Ask BK:

I see that the Geffen Playhouse is doing a revised version of Paint Your Wagon. (Since I only have the film as a reference and I all I know about the stage story is the synopsis in the cd booklet.) Have you ever seen the show on stage and if so do you think is can be revived or the only way it can be is with a new libretto like they are doing at the Geffen?

And if the opportunity ever arose would you like to produce an album of the entire score?
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Post by: Jane on November 03, 2004, 05:11:29 PM
Bruce I’m so glad you agree with me, however on that particular subject I believe it is Ann you agree with, and I agree with you both.

I’m also happy td agrees with me-and Ann before him. :)
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Post by: Ginny on November 03, 2004, 05:31:47 PM
My nazi accusations refer only to this current Republican regime and to my feelings that a lot of neo-fascists as well as a lot of non-thinking idiots voted this regime back in.  My homestate Ohio seems to be home to a large number of them, as I was aware when I lived there, and I'm much happier away from the state.

Elmore - Please remember that 48% of us in Ohio did not vote for the current administration!  In fact, I think yesterday's victors should not celebrate a landslide, but pay attention to just how close the election really was.
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Post by: Ginny on November 03, 2004, 05:34:44 PM
Well, one thing, with the GOP owning the legislature, the judiciary, and the White House, they can't blame a damned thing on the Democrats.  Bush won't be able to deny his mistakes and weasel out of responsibility for what comes.

DRCharlesPogue - That's exactly what author Seymour Hersh said several weeks ago in a lecture at our local university campus.
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Post by: elmore3003 on November 03, 2004, 05:51:13 PM
Elmore - Please remember that 48% of us in Ohio did not vote for the current administration!  In fact, I think yesterday's victors should not celebrate a landslide, but pay attention to just how close the election really was.

DRGinny, yes, and I applaud that 48%, but I think very little of my state's 52%.  My sister-in-law Donna calls Middletown Middletucky for its heavy redneck population, and I can remember a lot of voter apathy in the 1970s.  Maybe if Kerry had promised each of them a new pickup truck . . .
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Post by: S. Woody White on November 03, 2004, 06:26:34 PM
...I am far from a Republican (heck... I'm not even American) but insinuating that members of that party are "nazis" is wrong - especially because there are several Republican members at this here site who are anything BUT fascists.  It's paramount to Democrats having been called communists back in the Cold War.  

Anger is fine but labelling people based on their party affiliation (which oftener than not doesn't really have all that much to do with their ideological look on life) is not cool.
Emily, thank-you.
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Post by: George on November 03, 2004, 06:28:07 PM
Well, I'm off to see a local production of The Mystery of Edwin Drood.  It should be pretty good (except the company has never really had a good sound person).  But before that, I must eat.  Just had to share. :)
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Post by: S. Woody White on November 03, 2004, 06:58:20 PM
...People were saying last night that the Democrats were starting to promote the "ABB" strategy..."Anybody But Bush."  A good notion, perhaps, but not enough to win them an election. ...  
There's a gay personals site I visit every once in a while, which I'm not going to identify because of the "dirty pictures" that can be found there.   ::)   They currently have close to 15,000 members  :o.  

They also have a search function.  Out of curiosity, I put the name "Bush" in the word search, and found 209 members using his name in their personal messages.  A quick survey revealed that, probably, nearly all were highly disparaging in their language, not to mention a high ratio of four-letter words being used.

A similar check revealed only 60 members mentioning Kerry in their messages.  

This reminds me of a conversation I was in at this board, some months ago, where I repeatedly asked the other person to give me a reason to vote for Kerry, other than "He's not Bush."  The other person could not do so.
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Post by: td on November 03, 2004, 07:24:07 PM
Quote
There's a gay personals site I visit every once in a while. . .

Oooh!  I visited one tonight!  I didn't see tomovoz, but, there were at least TEN pages of Ockers seeking other male Ockers.
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Post by: Tomovoz on November 03, 2004, 07:28:43 PM
Oooh!  I visited one tonight!  I didn't see tomovoz, but, there were at least TEN pages of Ockers seeking other male Ockers.
Why would I be there td?
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Post by: td on November 03, 2004, 07:32:05 PM
You don't have to BE looking to be looking at the website, dear tomovoz . . .after all, DR S. Woody and I have both visited such services recently.
So many men looking for men in Queensland, of all places ! ! !  ;)
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Post by: S. Woody White on November 03, 2004, 07:35:52 PM
Jose: The Good Eats episode on grits was pretty good...except for one particular bit of schitck.  He started with side-by-side cooking demonstrations of grits and polenta, showing the similarities of the dishes and the roots of each in cornmeal.

There was a running gag about how Alton doesn't sound Southern.  This led to his taking on a character, Colonel Bob, as he demonstrated a Pineapple Upside-Down Cornmeal Cake.  Which looked pretty good.  His wig didn't.

You'll be sure to catch it plenty of times in re-runs, I'm sure.  In the meantime, get that new book!
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Post by: Sigerson Holmes on November 03, 2004, 07:52:56 PM
Finally!  Election Day is over, and it is once again Ask BK Day.

Tell me if I've asked this one already . . .

On the "Lerner, Loewe, Lane & Friends" concert CD, Brock Peters does a touching rendition of "When You Grow Up You'll Know," from Alan Jay Lerner and Burton Lane's score for the abandoned MGM musical "Huckleberry Finn."

Was Peters chosen to do this song because it was assumed to have been written for the character of "Jim" (which would have been played by William Warfield)?  Would a different singer, or a different song from the unused score have been chosen if it were more commonly known that "When You Grow Up You'll Know" was actually written for the "Duke" character (slated to have been played by Gene Kelly)?

I know it has nothing to do with anything -- just thought I'd ask now, while I'm thinking of it.
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Post by: Matt H. on November 03, 2004, 08:21:08 PM
DR Jane, I'm just curious if there was a Democrat that you did feel passionate about before Kerry got the nod?
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Post by: Matt H. on November 03, 2004, 08:23:37 PM
Feeling so disconsolate for most of the day, I couldn't concentrate on any film, so I just watched TV episodes on DVD all day (and also last night's QUEER EYE).
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Post by: Matt H. on November 03, 2004, 08:24:19 PM
I'm thinking over the next few days to watch either THE NAME OF THE ROSE or STAR WARS.
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Post by: td on November 03, 2004, 08:30:23 PM
I've just watched (most of) the director's cut of one of my favorite French films, since I, too was feeling low:  BETTY BLUE, thanks to Netflix.
Amazing how an added hour, maybe more, of material can really flesh out characters and situations.  There seems to have been an entire subplot (as well as its characters) that didn't make the first cut as seen in theaters across America.
Very fine film.
Also very depressing film.
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Post by: bk on November 03, 2004, 08:33:36 PM
In that case I agree with Ann.  And you.  And everyone else.

Brigadoon:  Never seen it (never been able to get through more than ten minutes of the movie).  Not something that would interest me much to record.
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Post by: bk on November 03, 2004, 08:36:45 PM
Finally!  Election Day is over, and it is once again Ask BK Day.

Tell me if I've asked this one already . . .

On the "Lerner, Loewe, Lane & Friends" concert CD, Brock Peters does a touching rendition of "When You Grow Up You'll Know," from Alan Jay Lerner and Burton Lane's score for the abandoned MGM musical "Huckleberry Finn."

Was Peters chosen to do this song because it was assumed to have been written for the character of "Jim" (which would have been played by William Warfield)?  Would a different singer, or a different song from the unused score have been chosen if it were more commonly known that "When You Grow Up You'll Know" was actually written for the "Duke" character (slated to have been played by Gene Kelly)?

I know it has nothing to do with anything -- just thought I'd ask now, while I'm thinking of it.

I only produced the album - I had nothing to do with the show itself other than suggesting Guy Haines be added to the program (he's never forgiven me).  I will tell you (on the QT) that Brock had to come into the studio and fix his vocal, as he'd messed up the lyrics on both shows we recorded.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on November 03, 2004, 09:19:59 PM
Those fries sound good but no homemade veggie burger?

Becks Prime actually does/did have a Veggie Burger listed on their menu.  And, like a lot of burger places, it's actually one of the more expensive burgers on their menu.  The standard 1/2 pound beef burger runs $4.95, while the Veggie Burger runs $5.95.  I guess since they have to be cooked on a seperate grill, and/or maybe they just know that they can make a nicer profit on them...

-I used to get the Veggie Burger at Ruby Tuesday's, which is just the food service version of the Gardenburger - it's a few ounces bigger than the store bought ones.  But one day I found the food service pack for sale at Costco - 10 Gardenburgers for $7.50.  So, at Ruby Tuesday's, a single one costs $8.95 - yes, it comes with fries, or some other side dish - but still... You do the math.  *I would also get a laugh from the fact that the "healthy" veggie burger was topped with cheese and guacamole, and then served with french fries... Might as well just order the regular burger for a $1.00 less! ;)
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Post by: JoseSPiano on November 03, 2004, 09:23:18 PM
Brigadoon:  Never seen it (never been able to get through more than ten minutes of the movie).  Not something that would interest me much to record.

Brigadoon?  Who said anything about Brigadoon?

Have you been talking to the trees again? ;)
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Post by: Charles Pogue on November 03, 2004, 09:24:51 PM
BK, first I've heard of this Lerner/Loewe,Lane, and Friends.  what did the golden-throated Guy sing?  Wasn't he going to do a show at the Roosevelt or someplace local?

I can't believe you've never seen the Kelly movie.  I'm quite fond of it.  I know Kelly wanted to film it on location, but I like the stagebound sets because they can evoke the fantasy unreality of the place better.  But then I've always been a big one for the controlled environment of the sound-stage.  The CHASE of hunting down Harry Beaton is quite thrilling.  

I actually like both score and show a lot.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on November 03, 2004, 09:35:46 PM
Good Evening!

Pretty good show tonight despite most of the cast coming in a little weary and down from the political events of the past 24 hours.  However, it was a little weird having the Mayor of Houston as well as some other publicly elected officials being recognized before the show.  The timing just seemed a little strange to me.  I'm assuming they were all re-elected in last night's election... ???  -Or maybe it was an off-year for them.  In any case, it did seem a little strange to me, and each I heard the phrase, "our current administration" spoken...

But on the brighter side, they were being recognized for their support of the Arts in Houston.  Their very active support.
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Post by: Panni on November 03, 2004, 10:11:13 PM
I'm waiting to head out to the airport later. Have been up for hours because DD's boyfriend is quite sick. (Stomach flu?) It's hard not to suddenly become Supermom and say, "I'll stay and take care of you both." But they'll be fine without me.
The election has left me feeling totally numb. We stayed up most of election night watching CNN - and I still find it hard to believe. Here in Budapest life goes on and the whole thing is just a sidebar, which makes it seem even more surreal.
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Post by: Panni on November 03, 2004, 10:12:51 PM
I read a statistic somewhere that more Americans voted against Bush than any other sitting president in US history.
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Post by: S. Woody White on November 03, 2004, 10:25:58 PM
I read a statistic somewhere that more Americans voted against Bush than any other sitting president in US history.
Yes.  But there was also a greater number voting for him.  He received a majority of the votes, something that hasn't happened in quite some time.  Even Clinton only received pluralities, and never got the majority vote.
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Post by: S. Woody White on November 03, 2004, 10:39:50 PM
I need to wussburger out of here, just to catch up on my sleep.   :-\
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Post by: bk on November 03, 2004, 10:47:38 PM
Yes, Guy Haines performed Dance a Little Closer - his first appearance on stage in front of an audience.  The ridiculous choreography had lots of feathers and fans and balloons and girls and for some reason they always blocked his face.  The night of the show he got annoyed and he began popping the balloons one by one until there was but a single balloon in front of his face.  He popped that one, but wouldn't you know, the lights blacked out just as the balloon popped.  It's all preserved on the recording I made.