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Title: HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 12:29:50 AM
Well, you've read the notes, the notes had both hindsight and a frying pan, and now it is time for you to post until the twenty twenty cows come home.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 12:31:07 AM
And the word of the day is: INVIOLABLE!
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 12:33:47 AM
Well, it's the ATTACK OF THE WUSSBURGERS so perhaps I'll toddle off to the bedroom environment.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 12:34:00 AM
Will we never get to page two?
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 12:58:03 AM
TOD

You can't beat the O.J Drama - still playing....

der Brucer
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Post by: Edisaurus on February 08, 2007, 01:36:52 AM
TOD: Serial killer Ted Bundy, since it was sort of close to home.

The summer when all the young boys were getting murdered in Atlanta---I wasn't fascinated by it, but you couldn't avoid it. I almost hated to watch the news or read the paper because it seemed like it was happening every other day. That was a horrible time around here.
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Post by: Edisaurus on February 08, 2007, 01:39:39 AM
BK, I have 4 hard drives, all filled up with media from various projects. I am going to try and find space to back up onto somehting, and then try the new OS. If it doesn't work with my editing program, I will reinstall the old 10.2.8.  

Argh. I can't beleive this is all happening because I wanted to play ONE SONG that someone else downloaded from itunes.
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Post by: DR Iris on February 08, 2007, 03:41:24 AM
I just read that Susan Egan has delivered a fine, bouncy, belting baby girl!

Congrats to the happy family!

The baby has been named Nina.
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Post by: Michael on February 08, 2007, 04:21:11 AM
TOD


I think the Charles Mason family is intresting and I read a lot about it when the first Helter Skelter movie aired on TV. Has this version ever been released on DVD?
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Post by: Michael on February 08, 2007, 04:21:47 AM
Continued health vibes to Larry's father.
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Post by: Michael on February 08, 2007, 04:22:51 AM
I just read that Susan Egan has delivered a fine, bouncy, belting baby girl!

Congrats to the happy family!

The baby has been named Nina.

I swear I'm not the father.
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Post by: elmore3003 on February 08, 2007, 04:34:09 AM
Good morning, all!  I feel better today than yesterday, and I have a full day of errands:  a morning at Toyland with Mr Murray on edits and then a trek to Real Music to work on Rodgers & Hammerstein's CINDERELLA.

When I return, I have around 4 more envelopes of receipts to tally.  Last year, on Feb 14th, I went to  the Philly Pops rehearsal and I can find neither the train receipt nor a credit card receipt to prove that I went.  Oy!

TOD:  I have two cases that still fascinate me: Lizzie Borden and Jack the Ripper.
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Post by: elmore3003 on February 08, 2007, 04:34:36 AM
Good morning, DR Michael Shayne!
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Post by: Ben on February 08, 2007, 04:37:37 AM
Good Morning Mr. Michael Shayne and Mr. Larry Moore!
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Post by: Ben on February 08, 2007, 04:38:21 AM
I'm listening to Donald's great show this week. It's about dissenting opinions. Critics who disliked something that was considered a critical hit. Good stuff.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 05:28:26 AM
Hmmmm......my regret about HOLLYWOODLAND is the same as MR BK's...it keeps a good film from being made on the subject.  Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.  
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 05:30:10 AM
TOD:

Lana Turner-Cheryl Crane-Johnny Stompanato

the Ripper & Borden cases....like DR ELMORE

Candy Mossler

Wayne Lonergan

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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 06:00:25 AM
Good Morning!

I'm off to the airport in a bit, but before I do...
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 06:01:45 AM
I'm listening to Donald's great show this week. It's about dissenting opinions. Critics who disliked something that was considered a critical hit. Good stuff.

Speaking of which, did you catch Charles Isherwood's piece in the New York Time concerning his opinion of the latest Tom Stoppard epic, The Coast of Utopia?
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 06:03:40 AM
As for the Topic of the Day...

The Harvey Family Murder last year in Richmond.  It affected me more than I ever would have thought.

And since I did Assassins in college, the stories of Squeaky Fromme and Sara Jane Moore caught my interest for a while.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 06:06:20 AM
And on that note...

Next post from Memphis!  -Well, probably from La Guardia.  ;)

Laters...
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Dan (the Man) on February 08, 2007, 06:12:59 AM
I've never been overly interested in any true-life crime that I can think of at the mo'.  The Simpson trial couldn't be avoided to the point where I became sick and tired of it.  I did read HELTER SKELTER, more out of an interest of the origins of the dangerous but incompetent Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme than anything else.  And someday I'd like to read more about the Borgias.  But that's about the extent of my interests.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on February 08, 2007, 06:15:24 AM
Looks like both DR Jose and I are "Squeaky" Fromme fans.  Someday I'll have to post a picture of one of the "Squeaky" buttons a friend and I made in high school--they really squeaked when they were squeezed.
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Post by: Ginny on February 08, 2007, 06:15:54 AM
Thursday morning greetings!  Back at work after my surprise vacation day yesterday, which actually turned out quite well.  DS Rob made a spur-of-the-moment visit and I'd have missed him if I'd been at work.  On his way back to Cincinnati, we were all able to have dinner with my mother and my sister and her husband (who are spending a few days with Mom on their way from Michigan to Florida).

Travel vibes to DR Jose - have fun in Memphis!
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on February 08, 2007, 06:24:58 AM
I did watch INHERIT THE WIND last night--sort of a crime drama.  A terrific movie, though I think Stanley Kramer was a bit heavy handed.  And Lord!--Spencer Tracey!  Has there been anyone like him since?  He was the A-grade, top choice, prime sirloin steak of an actor!
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 08, 2007, 06:35:22 AM
And the word of the day is: INVIOLABLE!
Casey would waltz
With a strawberry blonde
But that was as far as he got
Because she remained otherwise INVIOLABLE.

No, really.  She was into the whole virgin thing, right down to the chastity belt.  Danged if I know how she was able to dance wearing that thing, but that's the way she insisted on living.

My bet is, the belt chafed.
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 08, 2007, 06:41:42 AM
I'm still waiting for the results from last Sunday's visit at the store from the two possible robbers.  My bet is, I'll get more closings on Sundays, simply to have me there on staff.

How's that for TOD.
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 08, 2007, 06:42:43 AM
I swear I'm not the father.
But will Susan swear that, too?   :o
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Post by: Miss Karen on February 08, 2007, 06:52:14 AM
In Cold Blood -- Truman Capote

My interest in true crime cases is not the fascination with the gore/the crime itself, but the motivation of the killers.  What makes these guys and gals tick?  The nature vs. nuture element of them and their crimes.  
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 06:58:56 AM
Travel vibes for DRJOSE - on his way to Elvis Land.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 06:59:30 AM
Loved the photos of DR LAURA's blue mountainbirds yesterday.
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Post by: Miss Karen on February 08, 2007, 06:59:59 AM
The serial killers Charles Whitman in the UT Tower, Richard Speck in Chicago, Charles Manson in California, Ted Bundy who was all over the map, and the Columbine Shootings.

And the ones who got away:  Jack the Ripper and the OJ Case
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 07:01:05 AM
Page Two George and Noel Dance.  ;D

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Post by: Miss Karen on February 08, 2007, 07:10:55 AM
oh, and those creepy guys Gacy and Dahmer

and creepy moms drowning their kids like Susan Smith and the others using the tub as their weapon of choice... and creepy husbands killing their pregnant wives..

Like I said, I am so interested in knowing what is the matter with these folks?  I really want to know the why (well, they're crazy -- that's the given)  but I'm interested in knowing what's the defect in their minds and hearts -- born bad, something happened in their life, or the combo...
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 07:15:04 AM
Good morning!

We got the white sky Mr. bk was talking about, and it's going to be cooler today than yesterday; highs not supposed to get out of the 40s. It got to 64 yesterday!
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 07:17:41 AM
As I mentioned last summer when I saw HOLLYWOODLAND at the movies, in addition to despising the Adrien Brody character and all his uninteresting dilemmas with his family, I felt Ben Affleck was miscast. He's too young to be playing the mid-40s George Reeves. I did like the moment in the film when the kid pulled the loaded gun on Superman, and felt Affleck played that sequence beautifully. But I just never bought him for a second as George Reeves. Maybe I'd seen too much of the TV series to be satisfied with his performance.
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Post by: Miss Karen on February 08, 2007, 07:19:25 AM
TOD:


the Ripper & Borden cases....like DR ELMORE



oohh, "like DR Elmore"?!  Tell us more!!  ...  Who did he killl?  And why? ... I see a book:  "DR Elmore: The Bad Seed of NYC"
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 07:21:18 AM
Today if I can fit it in, I'd like to watch Woody Allen's MATCH POINT which I recorded off HBO-HD last night. I will have THE KNIGHTS OF PROSPERITY, MEDIUM, (maybe) CSI: NY if it actually came on at 3 a.m. as the program guide said it would, and the rest of the IDOL auditions. If I don't get to MATCH POINT today, I should be able to get to it at some point over the next several days.
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 07:22:25 AM
I think the George Reeves case is one of the most fascinating to me and have tried to read everything I could on the subject. I do think Leonore Lemon killed him.
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Post by: Miss Karen on February 08, 2007, 07:23:05 AM
...or "DR Elmore:  Born Bad and Ready To Kill"
       
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 07:23:06 AM
On the DVD front, I still have DO NOT DISTURB, THE CLOCK, and two Charlie Chan mysteries to take me through the weekend.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 07:24:26 AM
DR MATTH - I think Lenore is the key to the case as well, and why the police let her run back to NYC is puzzling.
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 07:25:03 AM
THose of you who like it are no doubt buoyed by the thoughts of a new SURVIVOR starting tonight. Of course, I'm looking forward to UGLY BETTY, the beginning of a three part GREY'S ANATOMY, the return of William Petersen to CSI, and the marvelous NBC comedies. SMALLVILLE and SUPERNATURAL also have new intriguing-sounding episodes tonight.
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 07:26:02 AM
DR MATTH - I think Lenore is the key to the case as well, and why the police let her run back to NYC is puzzling.

In that MYSTERIES & SCANDALS program from E!, she once in a drunken moment confessed to the crime and laughed that she had gotten away with it.
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Post by: Miss Karen on February 08, 2007, 07:30:11 AM
Well, I've killed enough time ..
I've got a grasshopper, fly, and lightening bug costume to complete -- yikes, dress rehearsal tomorrow night!
 .. and a study plan and a paper with quickly approaching deadlines...
Need a stress pill!!  So I don't crack and go postal....
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Post by: Miss Karen on February 08, 2007, 07:35:30 AM
oh, and King Tut -- did he fall off his chariot or was he murdered?  Hmmmm?

now, I'm out of here..
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 07:43:02 AM
In that MYSTERIES & SCANDALS program from E!, she once in a drunken moment confessed to the crime and laughed that she had gotten away with it.

I remember that interview - she looked like a NOT QUITE SO BEAT UP version of Maila Nurmi.
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 07:43:27 AM
TOD

You can't beat the O.J Drama - still playing....

der Brucer

I agree. I was in LA during that period. In fact, I recall hearing helicopters overhead, wondering what all the commotion was, then learning that it was part of the OJ drama on the San Diego Fwy. Part of it was playing out right in front of me.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 07:43:34 AM
Dress rehearsal vibes for the DR MISS KAREN and her bugs.
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 07:46:48 AM
I remember that interview - she looked like a NOT QUITE SO BEAT UP version of Maila Nurmi.

 ;D ;D ;D

You couldn't be more right!
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 07:49:32 AM
BK, I have 4 hard drives, all filled up with media from various projects. I am going to try and find space to back up onto somehting, and then try the new OS. If it doesn't work with my editing program, I will reinstall the old 10.2.8.  

Argh. I can't beleive this is all happening because I wanted to play ONE SONG that someone else downloaded from itunes.

In my early days as a programmer I had a boss who used to joke about manualizing projects in order to gain greater efficiency. We joked, but not all technology is an improvement. I've seen some examples of extremely poor software. Then there's my HP laser printer...BUYER BEWARE!
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Post by: Ben on February 08, 2007, 07:52:35 AM
Jose, yes I did read the article by Isherwood. Glad to see it in print. I haven't seen Coast of Utopia yet. I've been putting it off for many of those reasons. I may have to just jump in and experience it.

Reading the article did make me remember how hard it is to go against general opinion in particular during the excitement about Screamgirls (yes, it's intentional), it was very difficult to express a negative opinion of that production without people looking at you like you either had no mind or that you had lost it completely.

Yes, (to paraphrase Charles Isherwood) I did not like the original Broadway production of Dreamgirls! There, I said it and I'm glad.
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Post by: MBarnum on February 08, 2007, 07:57:26 AM
I can't think of any true crime events that I have followed or had a great deal of interest in. I can still recall vividly the Charles Manson killings when I was a wee bit if a twig of a lad.....and all of that was very scary for a little kid.
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Post by: MBarnum on February 08, 2007, 07:58:51 AM
Now I must drink coffee.

That is all.
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Post by: MBarnum on February 08, 2007, 07:59:45 AM
Oh, and this...tan dockers, yellow dress shirt, black socks, black belt, black dress shoes.
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 08:03:27 AM
TOD: Serial killer Ted Bundy, since it was sort of close to home.

The summer when all the young boys were getting murdered in Atlanta---I wasn't fascinated by it, but you couldn't avoid it. I almost hated to watch the news or read the paper because it seemed like it was happening every other day. That was a horrible time around here.

During the 1970s there was a serial rapist?/murderer? in LA, whose name I don't recall. Yes, it can be very difficult to go through, even if you remain relatively unscathed. We didn't talk much about terrorism in those days, but the concept is the same: you live in fear.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 08:06:54 AM
TOD: Serial killer Ted Bundy, since it was sort of close to home.

The summer when all the young boys were getting murdered in Atlanta---

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CRIME LIBRARY (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/williams/index_1.html)
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Two black boys were found murdered at the end of July 1979, officially starting one of the most highly publicized murder series in history. A couple of years later, twenty-nine black youths would be dead and a black man, Wayne Williams, who many people believe was railroaded by the government, would be imprisoned for life.

On June 20, 2006, the state of Georgia asked a federal judge to reject Wayne Williams' latest effort to challenge his incarceration because lawyers for the convicted killer have failed to show any relevance between the case and an unnamed child molester on whom they have cast suspicion, according to Associated Press.

And the beat goes on.....

der Brucer
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Post by: Ginny on February 08, 2007, 08:09:24 AM
During the 1970s there was a serial rapist?/murderer? in LA, whose name I don't recall. Yes, it can be very difficult to go through, even if you remain relatively unscathed. We didn't talk much about terrorism in those days, but the concept is the same: you live in fear.

There were a series of abductions/sexual assaults/murders of co-eds in and around Ann Arbor at the time I was an undergraduate at The University of Michigan.  It was a scary time.  Not long ago, I stumbled across a TV program about one of the cases and it brought back many uneasy feelings.
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 08:12:06 AM
As for DR MISS KAREN's interest in what makes people commit horrible acts, the British mystery writer Minette Walters is interested in this, too. Her latest book, The Chameleon's Shadow, explores Traumatic Brain Injury--what happens to a person who gets hit on the head.

www.MinetteWalters.co.uk.

Personally, I find all of Ms Walters' works quite interesting. She's one of the top--if not THE top--mystery writers writing today, IMHO. I never cease to be awed by her first novel, THE ICE HOUSE.
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 08:12:53 AM
Having lunch out with friends today, so I need to get cleaned up.

WBBL.
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Post by: Ginny on February 08, 2007, 08:18:03 AM
And one for Minette - a very popular mystery author here at my library!
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Post by: Ginny on February 08, 2007, 08:21:31 AM
Judith Guest, probably best-known for her novel Ordinary People, incorporated those Ann Arbor coed murders into her novel The Tarnished Eye (http://www.judithguest.com/tarnishedeye.htm) about another unsolved true crime.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on February 08, 2007, 08:27:41 AM
Is it a crime to start each day
With a laugh, and a smile, and a song?
And is it a crime to end each day
With a laugh, and a smile, and a song?
Is it wrong, is it a crime
To call the world your valentine?
Is it a crime to grab a lamp-post
And then sing "Sweet Adeline?"
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Post by: MusicGuy on February 08, 2007, 08:31:55 AM
Good morning to dear Esteemed, mellow, bouncing, puzzled, and studly BK --

(who, by the way, looked absolutely dashing sitting in Ruth's Chris Steak House wearing only a skorpido.... whereas I had a thong and a boa!)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 08:33:58 AM
No chemise, please.
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Post by: MusicGuy on February 08, 2007, 08:34:27 AM

And a very good morning also to all of the beautiful, dashing, and handsome DRs and H/Ks here today.

I had a good trip over to La-La Land, and got some work accomplished, as well as supping with the Grande Mensch himself.  I have a picture I will try to download later today, and post here.  It is of one of our favorite Hollywood landmarks.........mmmmm, yummy!
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Post by: MusicGuy on February 08, 2007, 08:35:04 AM

No, DR Ron, a chemise is way too "Ann Margaret" for me!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 08:36:20 AM
I had a great visit with my chiropractor yesterday.

He found a few troublesome chinks in my armor and snapped me out of them.

I felt/feel great as a result!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 08:37:43 AM

No, DR Ron, a chemise is way too "Ann Margaret" for me!

DR MG....somehow it's still a better visualization -- for me, at any rate -- than the thong/boa combo.


 ;D


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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 08:42:27 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%][size=8]Happy Birthday Greetings to anyone who might be needing them today![/size][/move][/color]
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 08:43:52 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%][size=8]And a Very Merry UnBirthday to the Rest of Us![/size][/move]
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Post by: FJL on February 08, 2007, 08:45:51 AM
I guess the Enron and Martha Stewart cases fascinated me more than any other recent cases, because of what they taught about our nation's value systems.  While I couldn't identify with them, I could understand the people who felt themselves cornered in these situations and just said what they felt they had to say.  I'm sure many of us have at some point (maybe in our youths) told what we convinced ourselves were insignificant lies to get out of a jam; here, the ramifications were intense.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 08:55:57 AM
During the 1970s there was a serial rapist?/murderer? in LA, whose name I don't recall. Yes, it can be very difficult to go through, even if you remain relatively unscathed. We didn't talk much about terrorism in those days, but the concept is the same: you live in fear.

You get four from which to pick: The Freeway Killer, the Trash Bag Murderer,  Randy Kraft or the Hillside Stranglers:
Freeway Killer (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/bonin/day_1.html)
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At the end of 1979, Southern California was in a state of near panic. Parents were afraid to let their children out of the house, and it appeared that the police were powerless to stop a vicious killer who liked to rape, strangle and stab. The Freeway Killer could practice his grisly trade at will.
...

On February 23, 1996, the people of the state of California finally followed through on their decision that the world would be a better place without William Bonin. After fighting for his life for 17 years, the notorious “Freeway Killer” became the first person to be executed by lethal injection in California. For the survivors of the 14 young men and boys whom Bonin was convicted of killing and of the nearly 30 others whom this classic sociopath is suspected of slaying, the Freeway Killer’s execution probably lacked an element of justice.
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Bonin expressed no remorse for what he had done although he did demonstrate embarrassment and regret at being apprehended. Once confronted with the evidence he freely confessed to police.

After his arrest Bonin told a reporter "I'd still be killing. I couldn't stop killing. It got easier each time."
Bonin confessed to killing 21 young men and boys. He shared aspects of each crime in horrifying detail.

Trash Bag Murders (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/patrick_kearney/1_index.html)
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The Trash Bag Murders are considered among the most heinous crimes of the twentieth century. Patrick Kearney's swath of death ranks him with the likes of Jerry Brudos, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy.

Randy Kraft (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/kraft/1.html)
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After arresting him for drunk driving, the cop saw a man slumped in the passenger's seat, partially covered by a jacket. He tried in vain to rouse Kraft's passenger. The man was barefoot, with his pants unzipped and genitals exposed. He had no pulse and his neck was ringed with red marks, as if he had been strangled. Prosperous data processing consultant preyed upon teenage boys, leaving them dead and mutilated. Convicted of 16 murders, the true count may be closer to 67.

 Hillside Stranglers (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/stranglers/rampage_1.html)
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Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianchi, the  Hillside Stranglers:

It takes more than a few homicides to get the attention of the people in a city the size of Los Angeles. Murders are a daily occurrence. So when three women living hi-risk lifestyles were found strangled and naked on hillsides very few people lost sleep over it. Only a couple sharp homicide detectives became nervous that this was just the beginning. Everything changed when five "nice girls" were abducted from their middle-class neighborhoods.

Two psychopathic cousins made torture into an unspeakable art form as they experimented on their young victims, giving new meaning to the concept of "Evil."
Don't you miss LA?

der Brucer
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 09:00:11 AM
What makes these guys and gals tick?  The nature vs. nuture element of them and their crimes.  

I ain't tellin' 'till I'm caught :-X

der Brucer
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 09:07:42 AM
I'm up, I'm up.  Overcast out, but who knows if it will stay that way or burn off.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 09:08:21 AM
My favorite Minette Walters isn't The Ice House, it's her third book, The Scold's Bridle.  Really excellent.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on February 08, 2007, 09:09:15 AM
TOD: The Tison Gang (DRs MusicGuy, Kerry, and Cillaliz will remember them.)

The one I am totally NOT interested in following moment by moment, step by step is the local former weathercaster who was recently caught shoplifting. The news media here seem to think we all care tremendously about this case; they are mistaken.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 09:10:11 AM
The last true crime that I paid attention to was OJ, which was mesmerizing.  I also read In Cold Blood, saw every Jack the Ripper movie and read a few books about him.  I read several accounts of the Manson case and followed the trial.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 09:10:39 AM
I'll send everyone's congrats to Miss Egan.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 09:11:40 AM
And a death to report - the costume designer, Donfeld - a wonderful person with whom I worked on the Dinah And Her New Best Friends Show.  
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on February 08, 2007, 09:12:06 AM
Re Charles Manson:

The good version: An acquaintance of mine was in the same prison as Manson and saw him once or twice.

Ok, the real version: An acquainance of mine was the prison librarian at the prison Manson was in and saw him once or twice.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 09:22:33 AM
There were a series of abductions/sexual assaults/murders of co-eds in and around Ann Arbor at the time I was an undergraduate at The University of Michigan.


The Co-Ed Murders? (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/collins/body_1.html)
Quote
John Norman Collins:
Convicted of one murder in the late 1960s Michigan college campus serial murder case, police believed that he was responsible for all of them. Collins was implicated superficially in fifteen murders, but only the first seven on the list were officially considered his
...
"A body found yesterday afternoon on a Superior Township farm was tentatively identified as that of a 19-year-old Eastern Michigan University coed who disappeared without a trace July 9."

This report in the Ann Arbor News on Tuesday, August 8th, 1967 described the first of a string of coed murders in the Ypsilanti/Ann Arbor area of Michigan over the next two years.

der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 09:24:27 AM
Dress rehearsal vibes for the DR MISS KAREN and her bugs.

I sense a set-up 8)

der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 09:31:20 AM

Personally, I find all of Ms Walters' works quite interesting. She's one of the top--if not THE top--mystery writers writing today, IMHO. I never cease to be awed by her first novel, THE ICE HOUSE.

I think I'll give this a try - British mystery writers of the female persuasion are some of my favorites.

der Brucer
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Post by: Ginny on February 08, 2007, 09:40:21 AM
The Co-Ed Murders? (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/collins/body_1.html)der Brucer


Yep, that's the case.
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: TPunk on February 08, 2007, 09:42:11 AM
Hi everyone!
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Post by: TPunk on February 08, 2007, 09:45:10 AM
I really enjoy reading any true crime stories. The website www.crimelibrary.com has summaries of just about every case imaginable. I am particularly interested in the Manson family murders, Jack the Ripper, and the two teenage New Zealand girls the movie Heavenly Creatures was based upon- one of whom grew up to be Anne Perry the best selling mystery novelist.  I was a big fan of her books before I ever found out about the connection.
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Post by: Ginny on February 08, 2007, 09:45:40 AM
Hi, DR TPunk - how've you been?
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 09:46:07 AM
Hi everyone!

Hi, You!
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 09:48:27 AM
It's a darkly grey day here in Oakland.

It is NOT going to burn off.

We have a HUGE storm approaching which, we PRAY, will help us erase the precipitation deficit we find ourselves in right now.

Should be a wet, wet weekend here.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 09:49:10 AM
I find A&E's "City Confidential" extremely fascinating.

Many terrific tales of murder, mayhem, greed and gore.
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: TPunk on February 08, 2007, 09:50:08 AM
Hi, DR TPunk - how've you been?

Tired and stressed.
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: TPunk on February 08, 2007, 09:50:41 AM
Hi Ron!
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 09:50:42 AM

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Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 09:51:02 AM
Hi Ron!

Have you got stress?
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 09:51:14 AM
Nice to see TPunk back amongst us.
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Post by: TPunk on February 08, 2007, 09:52:22 AM
I started a new workout/weigh lifting regime designed by a friend and co-worker. I may be pushing myself a bit too hard as I have found it difficult to lift my arms for the past four days.
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 09:54:18 AM
I started a new workout/weigh lifting regime designed by a friend and co-worker. I may be pushing myself a bit too hard as I have found it difficult to lift my arms for the past four days.

I hope you're giving your muscles 24 hours to recuperate.

Also...you need to get some electrolytes into your system.  Try Gator-Aid or some other drink designed to feed your muscles after they've been worked hard.


That, or don't lift your arms.  Get someone to "do" for you, "die" for you, "lift" you, "carry" you.....

:)
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Post by: Charles Pogue on February 08, 2007, 10:00:02 AM
I have two shelves of books...one on the Jack the Ripper murders and one on who killed the Princes in the Tower (I don't think Richard III did it).  I like these two famous crimes because they are still essentially unsolved.  

I find nothing fascinating about the O.J. Simpson murders because it was pretty obvious before the trial even started who did.  It was a rather clumsy crime and the evidence to any objective, rational human being was overwhelming and obvious.
It is one of the great miscarriages of justice of all time.  The killer's incompetence is matched only by the jury and the judge's.  Though the defense made some mistakes, the evidence they presented was still overwhelming...the DNA blood evidence alone.  Anyone who bought into Johnny Cochran's nonsense, "If the Glove doesn't fit, you must acquit."  Maybe the reason the killer lost the glove in the first place was, it didn't fit.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 10:00:31 AM
Should be a wet, wet weekend here.

Sounds kinky!

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der Brucer
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on February 08, 2007, 10:00:42 AM

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Post by: FJL on February 08, 2007, 10:03:13 AM
Welcome back, TPunk.

Did you and Rodzinski go to the FOLLIES dress rehearsal last night?  (Why do I have in my head that you might have gone?)
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 10:03:39 AM
I have two shelves of books...one on the Jack the Ripper murders and one on who killed the Princes in the Tower (I don't think Richard III did it).  I like these two famous crimes because they are still essentially unsolved.  


No tomes on the "Butchering of Dragonheart - the evisceration of a screenplay"?

der Brucer

Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Miss Karen on February 08, 2007, 10:07:48 AM
Taking a costume break -- ran out of velcro (a costumer's best friend when doing children's theatre!) -- so taking a quick break before heading out for more supplies.  Plus, DR Cason called and took me out of the creative moment.
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Post by: Miss Karen on February 08, 2007, 10:09:51 AM
Sounds kinky!

(http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000FKLM6Q.01._AA280_PIbundle-4,TopRight,0,0_AA280_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)

der Brucer

Ahh, see der Webster is back to him old self today -- no icons to do his dirty work -- verbage AND illustrations...
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Miss Karen on February 08, 2007, 10:11:38 AM
I sense a set-up 8)

der Brucer

Bring it on, der Webster, bring it on! :P
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 10:15:38 AM

I find nothing fascinating about the O.J. Simpson murders because it was pretty obvious before the trial even started who did.  It was a rather clumsy crime and the evidence to any objective, rational human being was overwhelming and obvious.

It is one of the great miscarriages of justice of all time.  The killer's incompetence is matched only by the jury and the judge's.  Though the defense made some mistakes, the evidence they presented was still overwhelming...the DNA blood evidence alone.  

What may be "obvious" through your eyes probably looked a lot different through the eyes of an inner-city jurist accustomed to police chicanery. Forman lying under oath and Van Atter taking blood evidence home over-night would lead to reasonable doubt in any juror's mind that was predispositioned to doubt the integrity of the authorities.

Once the case went to the jury, an acquittal based on "reasonabel doubt" was a better than even chance.

Two lessons from OJ:

When accused, get the best defense money can buy.

When you clearly have a high profile case in hand, the authorities need to assign a few folks whose full attention is focused on doing things "right" and by the numbers. The LA Police procedures were adequate, they just were'nt followed!

der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 10:17:21 AM
-- ran out of velcro (a costumer's best friend when doing children's theatre!) --

Also much favored by exotic dancers (all kinds) - so I've been told.

der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 10:20:19 AM
Bring it on, der Webster, bring it on! :P

Sorry, BK has banned my posting of appropriate art.

der Brucer

PS I'll mail you my most grevious offense "The Hulk Doll"
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Miss Karen on February 08, 2007, 10:23:31 AM
Also much favored by exotic dancers (all kinds) - so I've been told.

der Brucer

Playing the innocent, heh?  Pa-shaw! I bet ol' Brucer has been known to shimmy around the pole a time or two in his past.  Bet you could write a book on ways  to use velcro... :o
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Post by: Miss Karen on February 08, 2007, 10:25:12 AM
Speaking of velcro, break time is over.  Back to work!
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Post by: TCB on February 08, 2007, 10:25:17 AM



TOD:  I have two cases that still fascinate me: Lizzie Borden and Jack the Ripper.


Which one of them did you date?
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 10:27:09 AM
And one for Minette - a very popular mystery author here at my library!

Good to hear! I know that Elizabeth George is well-known in the US, but then again, she's American. I didn't know how broad Minette's following was. She certainly deserves it.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 10:27:30 AM
Trying to get organized here - will now go finish addressing packages, although it's already clear the CDs won't be here today.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 10:28:15 AM
Playing the innocent, heh?  Pa-shaw! I bet ol' Brucer has been known to shimmy around the pole a time or two in his past.  Bet you could write a book on ways  to use velcro... :o

You'd be surprised! (Then again, probably not ::)

der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 10:28:40 AM
Good morning to dear Esteemed, mellow, bouncing, puzzled, and studly BK --

(who, by the way, looked absolutely dashing sitting in Ruth's Chris Steak House wearing only a skorpido.... whereas I had a thong and a boa!)

Well, that must have been quite a sight! Do you have pictures?
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 10:38:06 AM
You get four from which to pick: The Freeway Killer, the Trash Bag Murderer,  Randy Kraft or the Hillside Stranglers:
Don't you miss LA?

der Brucer


I recall the Hillside Strangler, though not the details. But, as you say, there were others during that period, as well.

As for missing LA, aside from those periods in the 1970's, I think I felt safer there than I do here. My Virginia neighborhood is pretty quiet--reiterated by the cops I've spoken to--but we had a murder just a couple weeks ago--too close by for comfort. There are many neighborhoods in LA where I could live and feel safe and comfortable. Here, I am much pickier about the neighborhood. These could be misperceptions on my part, but overall I feel more comfortable in LA--perhaps just because I know the area better.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 10:41:26 AM
Which one of them did you date?
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Which one did you know best?
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 10:41:52 AM
Like I said, I am so interested in knowing what is the matter with these folks?  I really want to know the why (well, they're crazy -- that's the given)  but I'm interested in knowing what's the defect in their minds and hearts -- born bad, something happened in their life, or the combo...

A very good discussion point.

Many of us believe we can look into the eyes of some adults and see "Evil".

Some of us have seen youngsters we just sense are intrinsically "bad people".

When the elementary school playground bully enjoys torturing animals, we all sense (unavoidable?) trouble ahead.

Religious believers can fall back on the incarnation of Good and Evil.

Secularists often resort to "Bad Seed" theory.

Either way, the manifestation of evil in society is something we do not seem to adequately address.

I wish I had some constructive answers.

der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: TCB on February 08, 2007, 10:48:09 AM
Which one did you know best?


I did know a male exotic dancer named Jack the Zipper!
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Post by: Charles Pogue on February 08, 2007, 10:51:33 AM
Sorry, DerBrucer, but no diligent, serious jury could have come back with their verdict as quickly as they did.  Even if they discounted the evidence you say there was reasonable doubt about, there was tons more blood evidence as well as other evidence that could not be disputed or doubted.  The cavalier, quick way in which they reached their decision left no doubt that they were either prejudice in favour of the defendant or just plain stupid or, worse, just didn't give a damn about performing their obligation properly.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 11:00:22 AM
SPOILER ALERT - if you haven't read Kritzer Time, skip this post!








Another real-life crime that has haunted me all these years, is the still-unsolved murder which consumes the final third of Kritzer Time.  James Ellroy did a GQ article about it some years ago, but it was, you know, as per usual with Mr. Ellroy, all about him, and I found it a bit off-putting that his discovery of the event and case became a topic du jour with him.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 11:02:00 AM
Had an e-mail from Juliana's mother, who passed along some interesting details about the experience her daughter is having.  Juliana isn't allowed to have much contact with anyone - no computer allowed.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 11:03:20 AM
I still haven't started addressing packages.  I'm still sitting here like so much fish in my sleeping attire.  I'm still groggy even though it is almost eleven.  Well, I must address the addressing and I must address the dressing and I must write some pages.
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:05:15 AM
I am also not a fan of Hollywoodland. I do agree a great movie could have been done on the topic but the movie failed miserably. Unfortunately  future movies on the topic will be measured against this one.  Sadly that is one of  two topics that come to mind that will never have great movies done about them: The Black Dahlia and now George Reeves.

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Post by: MBarnum on February 08, 2007, 11:09:23 AM
I was going to post something but by the time I caught up with all of the posts from the last few hours I had forgotten what I wanted to say.

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Post by: MBarnum on February 08, 2007, 11:10:00 AM
Did anyone pick up the new DVD release of A SUMMER PLACE this week?
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Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 11:17:31 AM

Argh. I can't beleive this is all happening because I wanted to play ONE SONG that someone else downloaded from itunes.

They have ways of making you pay for your music...
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 11:18:54 AM
 Sadly that is two topics that come to mind that will never have great movies done about them: The Black Dahlia and now George Reeves.

Probably not...but there have been excellent TV documentaries on both topics...either on Lifetime or A&E or Discovery (I can't recall which channel did the shows).

E
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:27:41 AM
Sorry, DerBrucer, but no diligent, serious jury could have come back with their verdict as quickly as they did.  Even if they discounted the evidence you say there was reasonable doubt about, there was tons more blood evidence as well as other evidence that could not be disputed or doubted.  The cavalier, quick way in which they reached their decision left no doubt that they were either prejudice in favour of the defendant or just plain stupid or, worse, just didn't give a damn about performing their obligation properly.

You miss my point - the jury was pre-disposed to disbelieve the state! If, by the time the Jury got the case, a majority of the jurors felt in their hearts that the "system" was living up to their perceptions that "the man" is out to "get us", the speed of the verdict is understandable. Consider also that much of the blood evidence was difficult to covey to semi-illiterate people suspicious of "book learned" experts. The jury spent three hours formalizing a verdict that they had six months to formulate.

A jury of peers in this day and age will be tilted to the "left" on a "reasoning power" scale. (The people you think are smart enough to serve on a jury are smart enough to avoid the job.)

der Brucer
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:43:08 AM
TOTD:

Romanovs
Black Dahlia
Ted Bundy

Local ones of curiousity here:
Dru Sjodin
Gordon Kahl incident... There was even a song written about that one

Semi-local:
Joseph Duncan case in Idaho. He used to live for a bit of time in Fargo and it was alledged that he molested two boys in nearby Detroit Lakes, MN.  He was also a student at NDSU and he used to come to the library regularly.
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:45:20 AM
DR CP, i have also found the murder of the princes in the tower rather fascinating also.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 11:47:42 AM
Finally heard back from the nasty e-mail recipient, who apologized for her behavior on the phone the other day.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 11:48:29 AM
I haven't quite finished addressing things yet, but it was too cold out there and I had to take a break.  I'll finish up shortly - only a couple more envelopes to do and then a few boxes.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:50:48 AM
- only a couple more envelopes to do and then a few boxes.

There's more to do - I just ordered Brain!

der Brucer
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:51:48 AM
Finally heard back from the nasty e-mail recipient, who apologized for her behavior on the phone the other day.

Are you in a forgiving mood?

der Brucer
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:52:05 AM
DR CP,

Are you familiar with "Jack the Ripper - case closed" by Patricia Cornwell?

I have looked at the following and found it curious. It is called Jack the Ripper/ an encyclopedia by John Eddleston.

BTW, thanks for writing Dragonheart, I have been enjoying that book again. I have not read it for years and picked it up again.
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Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 11:52:32 AM
I have two shelves of books...one on the Jack the Ripper murders and one on who killed the Princes in the Tower (I don't think Richard III did it).  I like these two famous crimes because they are still essentially unsolved.  


I find the Princes in the Tower fascinating, too. I have read a couple books on it.  What are your favorites?
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:54:47 AM
DerBrucer, did you know there is a play called "Bad Seed"?
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Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 11:57:40 AM
Of course for my job I get into the details of all my cases. Some are interesting, some not so interesting but there is only one that never goes away. Wow, it was almost 10 years ago now. 10 people, including 4 juveniles, were charged with kidnapping a 15 year old drug dealer, driving him out into the country, beating him, putting him in a trunk and then taking him to an abandoned farm house were he was killed.  I represented one of the people who was there when he was shot.  

This happened in my home town and the two kids who were "good kids" were there when the kid was killed, went back to town, met some other friends at Subway ate a sandwich and then went to an amusement park the next day.  How could you do that?

Anyway, the dynamics of the situation, the relationships between the players, the way things snowballed out of control and then the cover up of the crime still fascinate me.  If I ever write about one of my cases, this will be it.
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:59:18 AM
Probably not...but there have been excellent TV documentaries on both topics...either on Lifetime or A&E or Discovery (I can't recall which channel did the shows).

E

Ron, I do recall one being done on A&E that was very well done on the Black Dahlia but at the moment the name of the documentary escapes me.
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Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 12:01:36 PM
I was totally in to the OJ case. I met Barry Scheck for the first time shortly before the trial and was very interested in the way the evidence was presented. The defense didn't win that case, the prosecution lost it.  They had the evidence, but they let irrelevant nonsense occupy days on end. Also Marcia Clark ignored her jury consultants advice and said she wanted black women on her jury because black women like her. That move right there was enough to lose the case.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 12:01:57 PM
I'll be forgiving depending on the Colony's availability and rate for a release party.
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Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 12:05:48 PM
jhvw could use some vibes....he can't get on the computer much at all right now, but things are a little tough for him.  If he wants to say more, I'll let him.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 12:06:27 PM
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George...

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"The average person spends 11,862 hours in the bathroom, which equals one year, four months and five days in a lifetime... a toilet should be the most wonderful location in your home."

der Brucer
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Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 12:06:46 PM
I will say that there is a chance that we may, at some point, be regularly posting on HHW from the same house....mine.
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Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 12:07:19 PM
What every condo needs!

George...

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Hey Der B! How did you get a photo of my new office???
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 12:12:01 PM
I hope things work out for jhvw... Vibes are sent his way!!
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Post by: Ginny on February 08, 2007, 12:16:22 PM
Vibes for DR jhvw!
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 12:17:33 PM
DerBrucer, did you know there is a play called "Bad Seed"?

Yes, written by Maxwell Anderson, based on a book by William March.

It starred Patricia McCormack and Nancy Kelly.

They went on to star in the film directed by Mervyn LeRoy (1956).

der Brucer

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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 12:18:48 PM
Hey Der B! How did you get a photo of my new office???

If I told you that, I'd have to kill you 8)

der Brucer
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on February 08, 2007, 12:34:28 PM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]~*~*~*~*  VIBES FOR DR jhvw   *~*~*~*~[/move]
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Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 12:35:52 PM
Thanks Dakota and Ginny.  

I got my post office box today and found out the maintenance guy at the new building is my former neighbor.  We chatted and laughed when I went to the rental office to leave a deposit. After a little while the agent said...."You know what, we'll take it off the market and fix it up, then you can write us a deposit check.  We really don't need one until then."  :)
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Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 12:37:01 PM
Thanks for the vibes...better get back to work
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 12:43:09 PM
Ron, I do recall one being done on A&E that was very well done on the Black Dahlia but at the moment the name of the documentary escapes me.

Last Spetember

A&E Cold Case Files

115 - The Black Dahlia  
 
Bill Kurtis examines one of the most infamous cold cases in Los Angeles history -- the 1947 murder of actress Elizabeth Short, who was found nude and cut in half in an empty lot. Though charges have never been filed in the case, theories abound, and Kurtis investigates some of the most prominent ones. He talks to a retired LAPD detective whose 3 year investigation led to the stunning conclusion that his own father committed the murder. Kurtis also probes the theory that the killer was a surgeon named Walter Bayley. Kurtis finally explores the possibility that there may have been a police cover-up in the case to protect the real killer.
 
der Brucer
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 12:47:44 PM
Yes, written by Maxwell Anderson, based on a book by William March.

It starred Patricia McCormack and Nancy Kelly.

They went on to star in the film directed by Mervyn LeRoy (1956).

der Brucer



Matt Ashford along with his wife and daughter, Grace did a reading of the play over a year ago in Los Angeles. A gal I know from another board attended the reading and thought it was very interesting and Matt and Grace stole the reading.
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 12:51:46 PM
What every condo needs!

(http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/03/07/20070207161109990001)
Pimped Out Toilet (http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/pimped-out-toilet-has-laptop-fridge-and/20070207163209990001)der Brucer


This was never in any of my dreams--and I hope it never will!
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 12:54:55 PM
DER BRUCER,
Glad you want to give Minette a try. All her books are very good--yet all are quite different. THE DARK ROOM and ACID ROW are two of the better ones, in my view. PBS aired both THE ICE HOUSE and THE SCULPTRESS, so DVDs should be available, should you prefer that.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 12:55:16 PM
Vibes for DR jhvw.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 12:55:38 PM
I also remember being scared by the Murders on the Moor during the 1960's.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 12:59:57 PM
I didn't get A SUMMER PLACE yet because there are NO extras.  GRRRRRRRr.

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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 01:02:30 PM
Wow!  A SUMMER PLACE is #56 in sales at Amazon.com!
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 01:05:30 PM
The WHITE CITY book that was recommended by DR GINNY more than a year ago is a terrific true crime thriller!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 01:06:08 PM
CNN has reported that  Anna Nicole Smith (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/08/anna.nicole.collapses/index.html)has died in a south Florida hospital.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 01:09:49 PM
DER BRUCER,
Glad you want to give Minette a try. All her books are very good--yet all are quite different. THE DARK ROOM and ACID ROW are two of the better ones, in my view. PBS aired both THE ICE HOUSE and THE SCULPTRESS, so DVDs should be available, should you prefer that.

I prefer to read first, watch second (an example I dispair of having the Grandlads follow).

Thanx

der Brucer
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 01:11:34 PM
Our white skies turned to blue around lunchtime, and friend John and I had a pleasant lunch and did some walking, too, which was nice.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 01:13:11 PM
CNN is alleging that  Anna Nicole Smith (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/08/anna.nicole.collapses/index.html)has died.

Anna Nicole Smith Is Dead, Her Lawyer Says (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250974,00.html)

Quote

Thursday , February 08, 2007

 Reality star Anna Nicole Smith is dead, her lawyer told FOX News Thursday.

Smith, 39, did not respond to CPR, and her boyfriend, Howard K. Stern, was with her when she passed, her attorney, Ron Rale, told FOX News.

Smith was found unresponsive Thursday in her Hard Rock Hotel room in Hollywood, Fla.
...



der Brucer
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 01:16:14 PM
This was never in any of my dreams--and I hope it never will!

It first appeared as a prop in "Marathon Man" and was recycled for the musical "Little Shop of Horrors".

der Brucer
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 01:19:28 PM
I didn't have a huge amount of time to watch things this afternoon; consequently, I only got 2 1/2 things watched.

I began with last night's MEDIUM, and an excellent episode it was, too. I adore the Texas Ranger character who's popped up on episodes each season, and he was wonderful last night, too. I especially loved his interaction with Bridgette.

The case was a real puzzler, too, until it became clear near the end, but I had no clue where it was going (my favorite kind of MEDIUM episode).
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 01:21:23 PM
I prefer to read first, watch second (an example I dispair of having the Grandlads follow).

Thanx

der Brucer

Yes. Me, too. A few things were changed at the ending of THE ICE HOUSE
adaptation, but I feel it was better for it. Daniel Craig did a wonderful job as the flawed detective--that might interest some H/Ks. I think THE ICE HOUSE was a really outstanding first novel; it strikes me more like the work of a very seasoned pro.
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 01:22:59 PM
Next, I watched CSI: NY even though it was the standard definition recording on the evening's episode rebroadcast at 3 a.m. this morning.

Two interesting cases: one an apparent shoplifting case gone back and the other a seeming fraternity hazing ritual gone bad. Neither case was what it appeared to be, and I loved seeing each one play out as it did. One of the better episodes of the show that I've seen this season (but I've managed to miss four or five of them for one reason or another.)
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 01:24:13 PM
I just couldn't resist, so I put in CHARLIE CHAN AT THE OPERA and watched about 20 minutes of it. The print looks mostly wonderful, very smooth and silky black and white with just a momentary spot or speck to spoil things.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 01:24:47 PM
Not unexpected news about ANS, but still somehow shocking.
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 01:25:16 PM
It first appeared as a prop in "Marathon Man" and was recycled for the musical "Little Shop of Horrors".

der Brucer

Wasn't MARATHON MAN where one of the bad guys drilled Dustin Hoffman's teeth as a form of torture? That was one of the most horrifying scenes I've ever seen. Now THAT could give me nightmares. AAGGGHHH!!
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 01:25:22 PM
When I go back down, I'll finish CHAN/OPERA and then finish AMERICAN IDOL which I only saw the first 1/4 of last night. If there's time left, I'll watch THE KNIGHTS OF PROSPERITY.
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 08, 2007, 01:25:56 PM
"The Bad Seed".
I remember one reviewer confusing it with Christopher Bond's play "The Sad Beedle"- best remembered now for introdcung German actress Mia Kulpal as Lucy Todd.
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Post by: Edisaurus on February 08, 2007, 01:26:30 PM
I find A&E's "City Confidential" extremely fascinating.

Many terrific tales of murder, mayhem, greed and gore.

I love that, too...especially the writing and the tongue-in-cheek delivery of the narrator.
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 01:26:33 PM
Not unexpected news about ANS, but still somehow shocking.

What a sad spectacle she had become in recent years. And after the death of her son, I can't say this surprises me at all.
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 01:28:22 PM
DR GINNY,
Are certain Minettes especially popular at your library?
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 08, 2007, 01:29:01 PM
Criminal case in Oz "The Framed Dingo" was hard to avoid in the media frenzy.

Some DR's would be more interested in the crimes of "Chopper Read" or more probably,  Eric Bana.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on February 08, 2007, 01:29:02 PM
Vibes to jhvw!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: MusicGuy on February 08, 2007, 01:29:43 PM

   
Good afternoon dear Esteemed BK --

Even though we didn't have a "meal extravaganza" there on this past trip, I thought I should post a picture of one of the all-time, last remaining, and yummiest  of the classic restaurants of old Hollywood........

Yes ---  none other than  MUSSO & FRANK  , on Hollywood Blvd., just down the street from the original "Misses Jane's School."

Cason..... you must eat here !!  Adrianna..... you must eat here (but you probably already have).

   
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 01:31:50 PM
Wasn't MARATHON MAN where one of the bad guys drilled Dustin Hoffman's teeth as a form of torture? That was one of the most horrifying scenes I've ever seen. Now THAT could give me nightmares. AAGGGHHH!!

You got it!

And the evil dentist gets his in his office in Little Shop.

der Brucer
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Post by: Edisaurus on February 08, 2007, 01:32:43 PM
They have ways of making you pay for your music...

But the person who bought it to use in his promo paid for it!

Too bad the artist will be missing out on some tasty royalties because we weren't able to use his song and had to move on to another.
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Post by: elmore3003 on February 08, 2007, 01:32:50 PM
DR CP,

Are you familiar with "Jack the Ripper - case closed" by Patricia Cornwell?


Cornwell is an idiot.  She based her entire case, without giving her source, on a theory published 30 years ago in JACK THE RIPPER: THE FINAL SOLUTION, and that theory, the source of the film "Murder By Decree," has been dscounted ages ago
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 01:33:24 PM

   
Good afternoon dear Esteemed BK --

Even though we didn't have a "meal extravaganza" there on this past trip, I thought I should post a picture of one of the all-time, last remaining, and yummiest  of the classic restaurants of old Hollywood........

Yes ---  none other than  MUSSO & FRANK  , on Hollywood Blvd., just down the street from the original "Misses Jane's School."

Cason..... you must eat here !!  Adrianna..... you must eat here (but you probably already have).


Very nice, MUSIC GUY, but where is the feather boa?
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Post by: Edisaurus on February 08, 2007, 01:34:15 PM
I find the Princes in the Tower fascinating, too. I have read a couple books on it.  What are your favorites?

I've never heard of this case!
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Post by: George on February 08, 2007, 01:34:37 PM
What every condo needs!

George...

(http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/03/07/20070207161109990001)
Pimped Out Toilet (http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/pimped-out-toilet-has-laptop-fridge-and/20070207163209990001)der Brucer


I'll take it! ;D
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Post by: Edisaurus on February 08, 2007, 01:38:01 PM
It starred Patricia McCormack and Nancy Kelly.

I love it when they come out during the end credits,take their bows, and spank evil little Patty !
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 01:38:36 PM
Criminal case in Oz "The Framed Dingo" was hard to avoid in the media frenzy.


Was this about the lady who claimed that a dingo ate her baby?

"Thet dingo aight maigh baighby!"
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 01:39:19 PM
I've never heard of this case!

No?

Never heard of Rapunzel?
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Post by: Edisaurus on February 08, 2007, 01:40:38 PM
The WHITE CITY book that was recommended by DR GINNY more than a year ago is a terrific true crime thriller!

I don't read much in that genre but I really enjoyed that book, especially regarding the history and architecture.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 01:40:56 PM
Dustin Hoffman hisseff is a form of torture for some of us.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 01:43:18 PM
"The Bad Seed".
I remember one reviewer confusing it with Christopher Bond's play "The Sad Beedle"- best remembered now for introdcung German actress Mia Kulpal as Lucy Todd.

Are you serious?  Mia Kulpal?

She didn't have a pleading scene with a co-star named Nollo Con Tenderay, did she?
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 01:44:30 PM
Dustin Hoffman hisseff is a form of torture for some of us.

In your case, one of many forms of same, eh....!



:D
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 08, 2007, 01:46:36 PM
That's the one RLP.  Meryl's accent caught some flack here - the public seemed unaware that Lindy was in fact from New Zealand.  The accent was a combination of the NZ vowel sounds and country Australian drawl.

The case in some ways was more interesting because of its media manipulation of the public. 180 degree turn about. The media had the Mother guilty at the start and then decided to sell more papers by a swing to sympathy.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 01:46:53 PM
All packages are addressed and awaiting the arrival of The Brain From Planet X.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 01:47:08 PM
What did Miss Smith die of?
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 01:47:50 PM
In your case, one of many forms of same, eh....!



:D

ain't it the truth...   ;D
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 01:47:59 PM
I think Miss Patti has supped at Musso and Frank and I know Mr. Murphy has.
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 08, 2007, 01:49:31 PM
Are you serious?  Mia Kulpal?

She didn't have a pleading scene with a co-star named Nollo Con Tenderay, did she?
Serious? Moi?
When did they ever happen?

Very few of my lies are true Ron.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 01:49:43 PM
What did Miss Smith die of?

No details as yet.  Discovered at 2 pm EST in her Florida hotel room, unresponsive - rushed to the hospital......
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 01:50:11 PM
Musso & Frank was a favorite haunt of Ms. D Day.
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Post by: Ginny on February 08, 2007, 01:50:51 PM
DR GINNY,
Are certain Minettes especially popular at your library?

2006 usage stats:

Devil's Feather, 2006 = 127
Fox Evil, 2003 = 27
Disordered Minds, 2004 = 25
The Breaker, 1999 = 15
The Echo, 1997 = 14
The Dark Room, 1996 = 12
Acid Row, 2002 = 10
The Shape of Snakes, 2001 = 5
The Scold's Bridle,1994 = 5
The Sculptress, 1993 = 5
The Ice House, 1992 = 2

It's not uncommon for the most recent to have the highest usage, but it's interesting that the descent in use doesn't reflect publication date directly.  I didn't include the large-type or audio versions.
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 08, 2007, 01:51:33 PM
The Death of Miss Smith hit news reports here too.  I had never heard of Miss Smith.  I suspect that she may never have heard of me either.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 01:53:54 PM
What did Miss Smith die of?

Not disclosed, thus far.  She was found in her hotel room and was described as "unresponsive".

She was taken to a Hollywood FL hospital. Cause of death not revealed, last I heard.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 01:54:11 PM
Donfeld did some nice work on RETURN TO PEYTON PLACE....all of those hoooded winter coats for Eleanor Parker and Carol Lynley.
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 08, 2007, 01:55:47 PM
No?

Never heard of Rapunzel?

Next someone will be telling us that Rapunzels's father Richard didn't have either a hump or a limp.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 01:56:05 PM
All this talk of death and food and whatnot leads me to one thought:

Rumpelstiltskin.



I don't know why.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 01:56:51 PM
Next someone will be telling us that Rapunzels's father Richard didn't have either a hump or a limp.

I'm quite certain that Rapunzel would not have existed if her father never had a hump....or a limp.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 01:57:26 PM
And that's all I'm sayin' about HIM!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 01:58:33 PM

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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 01:59:31 PM
It's an UGly afternoon here in Oakland.

Butt UGly.
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Post by: Edisaurus on February 08, 2007, 01:59:35 PM
Yes ---  none other than  MUSSO & FRANK  , on Hollywood Blvd., just down the street from the original "Misses Jane's School."

Awwww. I haven't eaten there in 15 years!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 01:59:58 PM
I've just finished a Snickers bar and am having the most amazing sugar rush!
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 08, 2007, 02:00:20 PM
There is of course a case for the non existence of Rapunzel.
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Post by: Edisaurus on February 08, 2007, 02:00:59 PM
Someone PLEASE bitch-slap me for not mentioning teh case formerly known as the "Crime of the Century" (before O.J.):

SACCO AND VANZETTI!

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Post by: Edisaurus on February 08, 2007, 02:01:40 PM
We were booked at a theatre in Santa Fe, and they have held us over. Sweet!
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 08, 2007, 02:01:48 PM
Richard's limp may indeed may be the significant source of the need of the phallic symbolism of the tower.
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Post by: elmore3003 on February 08, 2007, 02:02:11 PM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vibes for our DR jhvw! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 02:03:32 PM
There is of course a case for the non existence of Rapunzel.


Hmmmm.  Oh, I can't think of that today.

I'll have to think of that....I don't know....tomorrow?
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:04:24 PM
Good Afternoon!

Greetings from Memphis!
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 08, 2007, 02:04:31 PM
Favourite performance in a film with a hump reference. Not Notre Dame nor Young Frankenstein. Maggie's Smith's performace in California Suite.  (Forget the rest of the movie!)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 02:05:01 PM
Richard's limp may indeed may be the significant source of the need of the phallic symbolism of the tower.


I don't believe I'd touch that with a 10-foot lock of Rapunzel's limp hair.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:05:57 PM
...UGH!  The CNN coverage of Anna Nicole Smith's death is making me laugh...  They're interviewing all these "witnesses".  -Yes, I was on the same hospital floor.  -Yes, I was in the hotel lobby when they took the body out.  -Yes, my mom was having a baby in the next room when she was declared dead.

UGH!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:06:34 PM
And ALL the theories about how should died!

-Just wait for the autopsy.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:06:45 PM
In any case...
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 02:07:05 PM
Favourite perfomance in a film with a hump reference. Not Notre Dame nor Young Frankenstein. Maggie's Smith's performace in California Suite.  (Forget the rest of the movie!)

If something I read once is true, you'd have to reconsider.  Reportedly, there was a scene backstage at the "coming out" event for the monster in "Young Frankenstein."

Igor is dressed up...and there is a noticeable absence of any hump on his back.

The doctor asks him what happened to his hump, and Igor reportedly replied:  "Never with tails."
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 02:08:04 PM
...UGH!  The CNN coverage of Anna Nicole Smith's death is making me laugh...  They're interviewing all these "witnesses".  -Yes, I was on the same hospital floor.  -Yes, I was in the hotel lobby when they took the body out.  -Yes, my mom was having a baby in the next room when she was declared dead.

UGH!

I was 3,000 miles away digesting my lunch.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 02:09:10 PM
Someone PLEASE bitch-slap me for not mentioning teh case formerly known as the "Crime of the Century" (before O.J.):

SACCO AND VANZETTI!



Ah hah!

And I will add, at this point, Leopold & Loeb!  8)
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 02:10:19 PM
Heading down early so I can get cleaning bedroom areas finished and then back to Mr. Chan at the opera and other entertaining TV tidbits.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 02:10:44 PM
In today/s mail/special deliveries:

DVDs:  Grey Gardens
            The Clock
            The Great Dictator
            Modern Times
            The Heiress
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 02:11:16 PM
During the early 1960's, a young girl was tortured and killed in the basement of a house in Indianapolis.

The woman convicted of the crime was released on parole a couple of years ago, in spite of the protests of several persons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Likens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Likens)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 02:11:53 PM
Lizzie Borden anyone?
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 02:12:04 PM
Am I echoing someone else?
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 02:12:19 PM
...else...els....el....e...?
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:12:31 PM
Once again, Greetings from Memphis!

I had a very nice flight in.  There was some traffic on the Triboro Bridge this morning, so I got to La Guardia a little later than I had planned, but I still had plenty of time to check in and go through security.  There was a flight attendant sitting across from me on the bus who was frantically calling her co-workers - "Oh, I'm running late - Could you check me in... " -Of course, when I boarded my plane, guess who greeted me... ;)

There was a bit of turbulence during take-off, but the flight crew warned us about it ahead of time.  However, once we got above the clouds, things smoothed out nicely.

And since the flight was not that full, I also had an empty seat next to me - which is always nice.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 02:13:24 PM
Hey y'all!
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 02:17:37 PM
Back from my mail place, where I was happy to receive a box of scorpidos from dear reader Laura - and included with the scorpidos was a batch of her yummilicious fudge, which I'm having a piece of right now.
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Post by: MBarnum on February 08, 2007, 02:24:31 PM
I walked past Musso and Franks several times. It always looked too expensive to actually go into.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:26:39 PM
As for "true crime"...  The Beltway Snipers - or whatever they were called - who randomly shot and killed various people in and around the DC area.  -And even down near Richmond.

I was doing Camelot at the time at Arena Stage, and I had my apartment down in Richmond at the time.  I still remember being so weirded out one night when I was driving back down to Richmond after the show, and noticing cop cars at every exit... Then realizing that I was actually making good time down 95... Then realizing that I happened to be a couple hundred feet behind the police investigation team that was driving down to Ashland since someone had just been shot...  -And then once I got closer to Ashland, and seeing the northbound lanes of 95 had been shut down... A true parking lot, and people just walking around wondering what was going on.  Well...

That really was a very frightening time in DC especially since I frequented two of the areas where people had been shot and killed.  And since most of the shootings had taken place at gas stations, something commonplace as filling up your tank was a bit anxiety inducing.  -Some gas stations had even set up tarps to block the view of the snipers.  And there were even people canceling their show tickets since they were afraid to head to a public venue.

Thankfully, they - a father and son, I believe - were caught (due to a sort of fluke), and their trials have produced guilty verdicts.  -And now the justice system - and the loved ones of the victims - are dealing with just how many trials - and guilty verdicts - there have to be to bring everything to closure.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:28:10 PM
I walked past Musso and Franks several times. It always looked too expensive to actually go into.

Well, next time, just get a well-known record-producer, composer, lyricist - raconteur! - to treat you to a Crab Louie and a pounded steak!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:28:41 PM
-Although, now that I think of it, I was never treated to a meal there.

;)
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:29:26 PM
Well, actually I was, but...

Nevermind.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:29:56 PM
~~~~~VIBES TO DR jhvw~~~~~
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:33:15 PM
I was 3,000 miles away digesting my lunch.

Where did you have lunch?
Whom did you have lunch with?
What did you have for lunch?
And was dessert involved?
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:33:48 PM
...I wish I could have gone to the dress rehearsal of Follies last night... :-\
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:34:18 PM
DR DakotaCelt - Maybe I misread your post, but did you say you were going to see a production of Follies sometime soon?
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Post by: Jennifer on February 08, 2007, 02:34:45 PM
I am behind in my tv viewing. I did not get a chance to watch last night's LOSTs or MEDIUM. I did however watch VERONICA MARS.

Tonight I will watch SURVIVOR, but record UGLY BETTY.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:35:05 PM
In other news...

I got called in to audition next week for the tour of the John Doyle Sweeney Todd.  :)
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Post by: Jennifer on February 08, 2007, 02:36:23 PM
Vibes to jhvw ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:37:59 PM
I've just finished a Snickers bar and am having the most amazing sugar rush!

...And there was a Snickers bar "waiting" for me on my bed when i stepped into my hotel room here.  -Along with some Chips Ahoy, potato chips, bottled water and a bathrobe.

Thank You, UPTAs!
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Post by: FJL on February 08, 2007, 02:40:54 PM
Vibes to jhvw
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 02:42:00 PM
What news, DRJOSE!!  Will you be playing and singing onstage?
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Post by: FJL on February 08, 2007, 02:42:17 PM
So it looks like LEGALLY BLONDE has gotten positive-to-rave reviews in San Francisco.  

Are you seeing it, RLP?
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 02:42:19 PM
And I had almost put the DC Snipers out of my mind....it was scary...
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Post by: Matthew on February 08, 2007, 02:43:14 PM
Can't say that any true-life crimes really take my interest.  However, in interest of the recent death of Anna-Nicole, I'm wondering what the autopsy will reveal.  Too many "charactors" in her life lately.  
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on February 08, 2007, 02:43:48 PM
Break a leg, DR Jose! Just don't break a hand!
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Post by: Jennifer on February 08, 2007, 02:44:00 PM
I love fudge!

Reading about it reminded me of something odd i saw this week for the first time. Fudge at the dollar store. And it was $1.

I'm not talking about some fancy dollar store. They do sell food. But i've never seen anything like fudge there. I actually was tempted to try it. But it just struck me as so odd that i didn't get any.
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Post by: Matthew on February 08, 2007, 02:44:16 PM
So it looks like LEGALLY BLONDE has gotten positive-to-rave reviews in San Francisco.  

Are you seeing it, RLP?

DR FJL, I know this was directed to DR RLP. but I'm planning on seeing it tomorrow night, I will submit a full report upon my return.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on February 08, 2007, 02:44:37 PM
TOD: Of course, we had our two (actually three) very own serial killers here in town last year.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:46:00 PM
...And it really is nice being back here in Memphis, and back at UPTAs.  When I stepped into the hotel lobby, I was immediately greeted with lots of hugs.  -And some lingering hugs too.  And I wasn't doing all the lingering (DR elmore).  ;)  UPTAs really does have a great staff - very friendly and welcoming - and just darn Nice!

Alas, the convention hotel this year was changed to one by the airport, so there's really nothing culinary notable within walking distance, but the auditions are still being held at Playhouse on the Square, and there's plenty of good eats around there.

And I guess my earlier-waking schedule the past couple of weeks had been a primer for the next couple of days.  The actor briefing where I have to speak is at 8:00am each morning... And since I have to take the shuttle bus over to the theatre...  But then I'll have a couple of free evenings to myself, and there are some good shows in town right now which I may check out.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 02:47:10 PM
Fudge By Mail - that is the name of my new musical.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:47:34 PM
What news, DRJOSE!!  Will you be playing and singing onstage?

If I get cast in the show I will.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:48:36 PM
Fudge By Mail - that is the name of my new musical.

Heck!  That's the name of my business (LLC)!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:50:24 PM
Break a leg, DR Jose! Just don't break a hand!

I better not break a hand.  Heck, if my insurance won't cover four stitches in my thumb, who knows what they won't cover if I actually broke a bone.  But...

Thanks!
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Post by: FJL on February 08, 2007, 02:54:54 PM
Matthew - Didn't remember that you're in SF, sorry.  Yes, we must have details.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:54:58 PM
So it looks like LEGALLY BLONDE has gotten positive-to-rave reviews in San Francisco.  

Are you seeing it, RLP?

WHEW!

;)
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Post by: FJL on February 08, 2007, 02:55:35 PM
Isn't Fudgy the Whale a Carvel cake or something like that?
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:56:10 PM
DR FJL, I know this was directed to DR RLP. but I'm planning on seeing it tomorrow night, I will submit a full report upon my return.

If you can get down to the pit and say hi to the Assistant MD/Conductor, Jason DeBord, please do!  He's one of my Lestat buddies.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:56:36 PM
Isn't Fudgy the Whale a Carvel cake or something like that?


Hmmm.... Crunchies...  :)
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 02:57:57 PM
...Watching "Oprah"...

OH!  That Secret...
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 03:00:29 PM
[size=10]!!!!!Zehn!!!!![/size]
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 03:00:33 PM
I read some of the reviews of Legally Blonde - the show sounds wretched - just another assembly-line demographically correct musical.  Maybe it's good, but I doubt it.  Even the people who have enjoyed it are surprised by the reviews.  
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 03:01:19 PM
I've written a little over three pages today, and may write a bit more.  I'm now past page thirty with the fixed stuff, and should be to page forty in the next two days.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 08, 2007, 03:01:50 PM
Thursday night
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Post by: Matthew on February 08, 2007, 03:05:46 PM
If you can get down to the pit and say hi to the Assistant MD/Conductor, Jason DeBord, please do!  He's one of my Lestat buddies.

I shall do that! :)    Are you in the works for playing the Broadway production??  
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 03:08:40 PM
I shall do that! :)    Are you in the works for playing the Broadway production??  

I hope to be.  -I'll most likely be one of the official subs at least.  We'll see.

-Of course, I'll be on tour with Sweeney Todd, so...  -Which means I'll be in San Fran for a while. ;)
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 03:12:59 PM
-Just being positive.

-Especially now that I know "The Secret".

:)
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 03:13:55 PM
And now that "Oprah" is over... and now that I know "The Secret", I believe I'm gonna head out for a bit and go for a walk.  There's a 7-11 a few blocks away, and I'm gonna stock up on water and snacks.

Laters...
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 08, 2007, 03:17:52 PM
There's more to do - I just ordered Brain!

der Brucer
No, sorry, I'm not serving brain tonight, we're having beef stew.

(Brain should be fried, right?)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 03:21:36 PM
Where did you have lunch?
Whom did you have lunch with?
What did you have for lunch?
And was dessert involved?

The Oasis in Downtown Oakland, next to the Law Library.

Bob, Sloan and Nivi, three of my co-workers.

I had Shrimp Bisque for soup; Grilled Mahi Mahi, Herbed Rice & Steamed vegetables for main course.   I later munched on a Snickers Bar and had a mild sugar rush.
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 08, 2007, 03:22:15 PM
DerBrucer, did you know there is a play called "Bad Seed"?
Der Brucer knows everything.



 ::)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 03:23:38 PM
In other news...

I got called in to audition next week for the tour of the John Doyle Sweeney Todd.  :)


What role are you up for?
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 08, 2007, 03:25:50 PM
What every condo needs!

George...

(http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/03/07/20070207161109990001)
Pimped Out Toilet (http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/pimped-out-toilet-has-laptop-fridge-and/20070207163209990001)der Brucer

Ah, but could Fletcher use it as his drinking bowl???
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 03:26:52 PM
If you can get down to the pit and say hi to the Assistant MD/Conductor, Jason DeBord, please do!  He's one of my Lestat buddies.

Ah, yes "DeBord"....isn't that the surname Lizzie changed "Borden" to after she was allowed to be on her own?
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 03:28:59 PM
I had considered seeing "Legally Blond"...but the tickets were pricier than usual...and a feeling that I might not enjoy it preempted my clicking on "Buy" when I was ticket-searching.

I've been to the web site and watched selections from a bunch of numbers...and am totally underwhelmed.

But then...I'm still haunted by the "Lestat" debacle.

I DO plan on seeing "Sweeney Todd" this summer when it opens at the ACT.
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Post by: Matthew on February 08, 2007, 03:41:00 PM
I had considered seeing "Legally Blond"...but the tickets were pricier than usual...and a feeling that I might not enjoy it preempted my clicking on "Buy" when I was ticket-searching.

I've been to the web site and watched selections from a bunch of numbers...and am totally underwhelmed.

But then...I'm still haunted by the "Lestat" debacle.

I DO plan on seeing "Sweeney Todd" this summer when it opens at the ACT.

DR RLP. I'm seeing Legally Blonde because I'm still kicking myself for not seeing Lestat when it was here.  Whether it's good or bad, it's new and at least I can say I've seen it.  Hell, I even went as far as to see Lennon and The Mambo Kings.  I did enjoy the latter.  However, the other was just a mess.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 03:53:51 PM
Susan Egan and newborn are doing fine.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 03:55:48 PM
I'm getting mighty hungry.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 03:56:03 PM
But I will not eat until seven.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 03:56:23 PM
That's three hours from now.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 03:57:03 PM
I'm really glad I did these three pages today - it was rewriting what was the nadir of the earlier version, and it's much better now.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 03:57:31 PM
Will we never get to page eleven?
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 03:58:02 PM
The sun did eventually peek through today, but not by much.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 04:03:00 PM
The sun did eventually peek through today, but not by much.


Well, hey....maybe...the sun'll come out...tomorrow.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 04:04:02 PM
DR RLP. I'm seeing Legally Blonde because I'm still kicking myself for not seeing Lestat when it was here.  Whether it's good or bad, it's new and at least I can say I've seen it.  Hell, I even went as far as to see Lennon and The Mambo Kings.  I did enjoy the latter.  However, the other was just a mess.

Well....don't fail to weigh in on "Legally Blond"....if you really, really like it, I might try finding a ticket.
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 04:05:20 PM
Criminal case in Oz "The Framed Dingo" was hard to avoid in the media frenzy.

Some DR's would be more interested in the crimes of "Chopper Read" or more probably,  Eric Bana.

I remember reading about that case.. An gal from Australia and I were just talking about that we were talking about people who murdered children.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 04:09:48 PM
I've just finished a Snickers bar and am having the most amazing sugar rush!

Did you share with a co-worker?

Did you do the "manly chest hair rip-out"?

der Brucer
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 04:10:53 PM
DR DakotaCelt - Maybe I misread your post, but did you say you were going to see a production of Follies sometime soon?

Yes, I am, next week. DBF is taking me for Valentines even though the show does not open until next weekend. He knows I really like Sondhiem
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 04:12:55 PM
Der Brucer knows everything.



 ::)

He is omnipotent!
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 04:13:18 PM
Page 11 Dance of the Cows!!!

NOte my new avatar!
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 04:25:01 PM
The site was completely off-line for about a minute, then back up.  Go know.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 04:30:08 PM
He is omnipotent!

Why he's no such thing.  He has children!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 04:31:22 PM
Did you share with a co-worker?

Did you do the "manly chest hair rip-out"?

der Brucer

Not.

More's the pity.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 04:31:33 PM
I'm getting REALLY hungry.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 04:33:11 PM
I hope to be.  -I'll most likely be one of the official subs at least.  We'll see.

-Of course, I'll be on tour with Sweeney Todd, so...  -Which means I'll be in San Fran for a while. ;)

You certainly will be...if selected.

And won't that be fun for ME!!!   I'll probably drag someone along to see the show....and then yell out from the audience, "Hey, Jose!  This is a step up from 'Lestat", in'it!"
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 08, 2007, 04:45:49 PM
...Tonight I will watch SURVIVOR, but record UGLY BETTY.
Tonight, I will watch Ugly Betty but ignore Survivor.
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 08, 2007, 04:48:52 PM
In other news...

I got called in to audition next week for the tour of the John Doyle Sweeney Todd.  :)
Which part???

(They aren't going to have you playing the tuba, I hope!  I mean, you're good, but that would be something of a stretch!   ::))
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 04:51:03 PM
Tonight I will record "Smallville" and "Supernatural", "Survivor" and "CSI", and I will watch "Ugly Betty" and "Grey's Anatomy."

I also have last night's "Medium," "Bones" and "American Idol" to watch.

I am off tomorrow and Monday, so I think I'll be able to catch up.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 08, 2007, 04:52:07 PM
Which part???

(They aren't going to have you playing the tuba, I hope!  I mean, you're good, but that would be something of a stretch!   ::))


They may want him for the part of the "piccolo player" who Mrs. Lovett sings about.
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 08, 2007, 05:01:48 PM
Dinner is stewing in the oven.

Beef Burgundy.  (Screw that danged French spelling - they hardly ever pronounce all the letters, anyway.)

After viewing Oogly Booty, I'll get to the veg part of the dish.
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Post by: George on February 08, 2007, 05:06:17 PM
In other news...

I got called in to audition next week for the tour of the John Doyle Sweeney Todd.  :)

Congratulations!!  Is the production coming to Seattle??
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Post by: George on February 08, 2007, 05:09:20 PM
I am behind in my tv viewing. I did not get a chance to watch last night's LOSTs or MEDIUM. I did however watch VERONICA MARS.

Tonight I will watch SURVIVOR, but record UGLY BETTY.

Last night, I was planning on watching "Lost" (and even did the Wussburger thing so that I could), but I didn't. :-[ I got distracted with a CD that I was assembling of songs by The Manhattan Transfer that I recorded off of video clips on YouTube and other on-line video clip places (BK, forgive me).  So, tonight I'll watch "Ugly Betty" and "Grey's Anatomy" (live) and THEN watch "Lost." :)
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 05:14:08 PM
Wrote another half-page, may go finish the chapter, may not.  
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 05:17:58 PM
What role are you up for?

The Beadle.  -a.k.a. the one who plays piano for most of the show... and a little trumpet too... So... Time to work on my embouchure.

-I was called in for the Broadway production back in August (before it closed).  See!  They really do keep you on file!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 05:19:23 PM
Yes, I am, next week. DBF is taking me for Valentines even though the show does not open until next weekend. He knows I really like Sondhiem

Hmm... Maybe he's going to really surprise you and fly you to New York City to catch the Encores presentation this weekend.  -Which I wish I could see, but since I'm in Memphis until Tuesday... Ah, well...
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 05:20:21 PM
The Oasis in Downtown Oakland, next to the Law Library.

Bob, Sloan and Nivi, three of my co-workers.

I had Shrimp Bisque for soup; Grilled Mahi Mahi, Herbed Rice & Steamed vegetables for main course.   I later munched on a Snickers Bar and had a mild sugar rush.

But did you enjoy your lunch?  And your Snickers bar?  And the subsequent sugar rush?
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 05:22:07 PM
They may want him for the part of the "piccolo player" who Mrs. Lovett sings about.

I think I'd prefer the shepherd.
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Post by: TCB on February 08, 2007, 05:22:14 PM
Not.

More's the pity.


Which?  Sharing with a co-worker or ripping out your chest hair?
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 05:26:27 PM
Just had a very intriguing phone call from the head guy at the problematic post office.  He's been personally investigating my two lost packages and he tells me that he's found out something that I will find very interesting - but he wants to talk to the owner of my mail place before he tells me.  So, I'll hear from him tomorrow after that conversation takes place.

From the tone, I'd guess that he may have found out something that is damning not to the post office but to the mail place.  Just a guess and I, of course, am quite anxious to hear the tale.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 05:27:12 PM
Which?  Sharing with a co-worker or ripping out your chest hair?

Does anyone still have chest hair?  It's quite out now with the youngsters today - they shave it all off.  
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Post by: TCB on February 08, 2007, 05:41:17 PM
Does anyone still have chest hair?  It's quite out now with the youngsters today - they shave it all off.  


And that is why I seldom date younger men!
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on February 08, 2007, 05:41:37 PM
I'm betting your problems are not with the USPS but with the mail place.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on February 08, 2007, 05:42:23 PM
I am glad to know that the box of scorpidos arrived.
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Post by: TCB on February 08, 2007, 05:50:04 PM
And that is why I seldom date younger men!


And since most gay men that are still alive are younger than me; I don't end up getting very many dates.
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Post by: Matthew on February 08, 2007, 05:54:03 PM
The Beadle.  -a.k.a. the one who plays piano for most of the show... and a little trumpet too... So... Time to work on my embouchure.

-I was called in for the Broadway production back in August (before it closed).  See!  They really do keep you on file!

It would be fun to have you around the SF Bay Area for a while!!  What fun!!
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Post by: MBarnum on February 08, 2007, 05:59:44 PM
My dinner is heating up and soon I will hie myself over the bridge to West Salem and see a play called THE GOOD DOCTOR in which my friend Jeff is in. I saw him the other day whilst walking near my office and he gave me a complimentary ticket to the show.

I like free.
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 06:06:49 PM
Hmm... Maybe he's going to really surprise you and fly you to New York City to catch the Encores presentation this weekend.  -Which I wish I could see, but since I'm in Memphis until Tuesday... Ah, well...

I wish....

However, he is in a middle of a career change and finishing up his dissertation. He is presently looking for work at a college or university as a professor in mediated communications.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on February 08, 2007, 06:11:35 PM

as a professor in mediated communications.

At first I thought you typed "medicated communications."
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Post by: George on February 08, 2007, 06:12:43 PM
And that is why I seldom date younger men!

Me, either. ;)
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 06:17:45 PM
Good Evening!

Well, fellow Savvy Travelers,

I guess when Mark Cohn sang of "Walkin' In Memphis", he was wasn't staying near the airport.  It's very hard to walk around here since there's basically no sidewalks to walk on.  And since there is a FedEx and UPS hub nearby, as well as a Peterbilt truck plant, well, let's just say, I found myself unexpectedly playing chicken with a semi earlier this evening while walking around.

However, this part of town does seem to have it's share of entertainment venues.  While walking along one shoulder, I passed "New York, New York," - a gentleman's club, where "You Can Come Play In Their City".  Then a few blocks down I came across "Passion Place" - which happened to be featuring women's boxing tonight.  -Oh, and I'm guessing the "Fantasy Warehouse" next door is their sister retail establishment.  Finally, there was the "Black Tail Magazine Shake Joint".  Alas, the neon sign out front did not seem to be working properly... or maybe it was.

In any case, I'll be checking out the Overton Square area tomorrow... Huey's (http://www.hueys.cc/) for burgers, The Blue Monkey for a draft and a game of pool, Bosco's (http://www.boscosbeer.com/index.htm) for a local brew and great pizza, etc., etc., etc.

Of course, after being tempted by the smell wafting, well, practically being pumped down the jet ramp at the airport, from Jim Neely's Interstate Barbecue (http://www.jimneelysinterstatebarbecue.com/history.html) and Corky's (http://www.corkysbbq.com/), I'm sure some "dry" and "wet" ribs, and some pulled pork goodness will be part of my culinary adventures over the next couple of day.  -Oh, and if I can swing it, I hope to make it over to Dinstuhl's (http://www.dinstuhls.com) for their signature Cashew Crunch and Chocolate-Covered Grapes ( yes, grapes!).

That's all for now.

Don't forget to wipe your chin.

-J
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 06:20:24 PM
RE: Tonight's "Ugly Betty"

Awwww...

:)
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 06:21:53 PM
Me, either. ;)

Me, either too!




Well...

::)

 :-X
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 06:22:26 PM
I guess for Dakota Celt's edification I should mention I had a very nice telephonic call from Mr. Matthew Ashford.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 06:23:02 PM
I shall shortly be on my way to sup with Mr. Cason Murphy.

I am very happy with the writing I got done today, both the amount and the content.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 06:23:26 PM
I just changed the time on my computer to Memphis time...

Much better.
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 06:49:00 PM
I guess for Dakota Celt's edification I should mention I had a very nice telephonic call from Mr. Matthew Ashford.

:)
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Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 07:00:37 PM
Thanks for all the vibes for jhvw....
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 07:01:05 PM
I meant to mention it earlier...

Apparently the hotel cleaning staff really likes Febreze.  A lot.

:-\
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 07:06:21 PM
At first I thought you typed "medicated communications."

I will have to tell him that.... That would definitely put an interesting spin on the related areas of study: Internet and organizational communications....

Cute Laura, I find amusing!! :)
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Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 07:08:56 PM
Wow. I don't think I've ever watched Grey's Anatomy before...it was really powerful
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 07:11:51 PM
Wow. I don't think I've ever watched Grey's Anatomy before...it was really powerful

Yep.... Good episode...



SPOILER ALERT>>>>>>>>>







-Except that they should have taken a lesson from "ER" on how to create/re-create a disaster scene.  The CGI wreckage and fire and smoke was distracting.  And there should have been more smoke inside the ferry.  But still a good episode
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 07:12:38 PM
Wow. I don't think I've ever watched Grey's Anatomy before...it was really powerful

The few times I have seen it, I have enjoyed it also. I try to watch that and Ugly Betty online.
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Post by: Jane on February 08, 2007, 07:13:14 PM
Good to hear! I know that Elizabeth George is well-known in the US, but then again, she's American. I didn't know how broad Minette's following was. She certainly deserves it.

I have been working my way through the Elizabeth George novels.  I think I only have three left to read in her detective series.

Did you find the Cuddl Duds (no e in cuddl)?  Sometimes I wear one over the other for extra layering.  They are great for the spring and fall too.  Ski shops usually have thin, but warm socks.  Remember several lighter layers can be warmer than one bulky layer.
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Post by: elmore3003 on February 08, 2007, 07:17:47 PM
Me, either too!




Well...

::)

 :-X

I thought your questions were: Does it move? Does it wear pants? Does it breathe?

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Post by: elmore3003 on February 08, 2007, 07:19:35 PM
RE: Tonight's "Ugly Betty"

Awwww...

:)

I agree!  This show is so addictive.  I love Liz Torres.
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Post by: Jane on February 08, 2007, 07:23:28 PM
VIBES TO JHVW!!!!
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Post by: Jane on February 08, 2007, 07:24:37 PM
Hmmm.... Crunchies...  :)

I have a tablespoon of crunchies here leftover from my last trip to Carvel's. :D
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Post by: Jane on February 08, 2007, 07:31:08 PM
Dakota-Your new avatar is darling.

Enjoy your early Valentine gift.  Your DBF sounds very nice.
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Post by: FJL on February 08, 2007, 07:32:09 PM
Just had some Famous Amos cookies, which I don't think i've had in years.  They're still good, but not the extraordinary treat I remember from many years ago.
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Post by: FJL on February 08, 2007, 07:33:19 PM
They're having a Chocolate Throwdown, or something like that, on the Food Network.  My kind of sporting event.
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 07:37:01 PM
2006 usage stats:

Devil's Feather, 2006 = 127
Fox Evil, 2003 = 27
Disordered Minds, 2004 = 25
The Breaker, 1999 = 15
The Echo, 1997 = 14
The Dark Room, 1996 = 12
Acid Row, 2002 = 10
The Shape of Snakes, 2001 = 5
The Scold's Bridle,1994 = 5
The Sculptress, 1993 = 5
The Ice House, 1992 = 2

It's not uncommon for the most recent to have the highest usage, but it's interesting that the descent in use doesn't reflect publication date directly.  I didn't include the large-type or audio versions.

Wow! Such detail! Thank you, GINNY!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 07:38:05 PM
Just had some Famous Amos cookies, which I don't think i've had in years.  They're still good, but not the extraordinary treat I remember from many years ago.

Well, once the original Famous Amos got sold his business - or got bought out depending on who's story you listen to - the cookies did change.  Frankly, I never found the original ones all that "spectacular".  However, crushed Famous Amos cookies mixed into vanilla ice cream.. YUM!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 07:44:22 PM
...And if you want some "real" Famous Amos' cookies, pick up a package of Aunt Della's.  Amos' aunt was named Della.  -And since Wally Amos actually lost the right to use his own name on his products after he was bought out by Keebler/Kellogg's/etc...
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 07:47:17 PM
Hmm... Apparently, there's a newborn in the room next to mine... And I think s/he is teething...

:-\
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 07:48:55 PM
As for "true crime"...  The Beltway Snipers - or whatever they were called - who randomly shot and killed various people in and around the DC area.  -And even down near Richmond.

Thankfully, they - a father and son, I believe - were caught (due to a sort of fluke), and their trials have produced guilty verdicts.  -And now the justice system - and the loved ones of the victims - are dealing with just how many trials - and guilty verdicts - there have to be to bring everything to closure.

Even more interesting, DR JOSE--the "father and son" weren't blood relations. The "father" was a mentor of sorts. Yes, quite frightening.
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Post by: Michael on February 08, 2007, 07:50:43 PM
Susan Egan and newborn are doing fine.

I am still not the father despite what the DNA tests.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 07:51:12 PM
Even more interesting, DR JOSE--the "father and son" weren't blood relations. The "father" was a mentor of sorts. Yes, quite frightening.

Oh, that's right.  And since the young man was a minor... and possibly brain-washed...  Just a sad situation all around.
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Post by: George on February 08, 2007, 07:51:55 PM
I am still not the father despite what the DNA tests.

Does that make you sad?? :'(

;)

;D
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 07:52:05 PM
I am still not the father despite what the DNA tests.

Trust me.  I believe you.  Really, I do.  Trust me.

:)
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Post by: George on February 08, 2007, 07:52:53 PM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]PAGE 13 I'M LEAVING FOR HOME DANCE[/move]
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Post by: Michael on February 08, 2007, 07:53:48 PM
Does that make you sad?? :'(

;)

;D

 ::)
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 07:57:21 PM
I know some of you may or may not be mildly interested but I turned the internet soapworld upside down in the past week...

I was a mischief maker last weekend...

Last Wednesday night, Thursday morning I came across new article talking about Matt's new movie, The Unlikely's. It was published in the Bradenton (FL) Herald...

WEll, There was one line in the first article that stated that Matt was coming back to days... I had to read it three times to make sure I had read it correctly.  Their were also additional comments about the movie and who is starring in it.

http://p207.ezboard.com/fthedeverauxc...e?topicID=15863.topic (http://p207.ezboard.com/fthedeverauxc...e?topicID=15863.topic)
(link at the conn for the first article.)

The article created such an uproar among the soap boards, etc that it overwhelmed the newspaper with over 200 phonecalls and email. I was even interviewed by the reporter as was another gal i know from another board. The reporter who did the articles had no clue who Matt was or the significance of his remark. He normally covers religion and agriculture. Needless to say it was the soap scoop of the year.....

Teh reporter asked me how I found the articles. My answer was Google!

Here is the second article.
p207.ezboard.com/fthedeverauxc...e?topicID=15892.topic]http://]p207.ezboard.com/fthedeverauxc...e?topicID=15892.topic (http://)

Needless to say it was quite the uproar....  I bet Matt is now careful with what he says.
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 08:03:30 PM
I have been working my way through the Elizabeth George novels.  I think I only have three left to read in her detective series.

Did you find the Cuddl Duds (no e in cuddl)?  Sometimes I wear one over the other for extra layering.  They are great for the spring and fall too.  Ski shops usually have thin, but warm socks.  Remember several lighter layers can be warmer than one bulky layer.

Yes, JANE, I found the Cuddl Duds. Thanks again for the website reference. I find that there is an art to layering. I make a point now of keeping one pair of jeans that is just a bit big for easier layering. Much to learn!
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 08:09:00 PM
They're having a Chocolate Throwdown, or something like that, on the Food Network.  My kind of sporting event.

I don't think I even want to ask!
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 08:09:35 PM
Jeanne, the cuddle duds are nice....
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 08:16:42 PM
DRs JANE, CILLALIZ, and now DAKOTA CELT all like Cuddl Duds! I'll just have to get me a pair. Maybe we can add Cuddl Duds to the Kritzerland merchandise line-up. What about it, BK?
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 08:20:05 PM
In gazelle prints or perhaps we can loan them to the cows so they could be fashionably warm
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 08:22:26 PM
It sounds like BK's problems are getting worked out--the Colony theatre, the mail place, plus getting lots of writing done--AND FUDGE TO BOOT!
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 08:25:43 PM
I finished CHARLIE CHAN AT THE OPERA and was pleased that I did guess the murderer's identity. Of course, it helps that the mystery was one of the easier ones in the Chan film canon. Still, I enjoyed it very much.
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 08:27:02 PM
I'm still puzzled by the Chocolate Throwdown. "Throw on" I understand, as in throwing on the pounds. "Throw up" I understand, as in having eating far too much. Throwdown still puzzles me. Could it have something to do with Cuddl Duds?
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 08:27:40 PM
Next, I finished the AMERICAN IDOL episode I had started last night. Was able to do it pretty quickly since there were a few good singers and a lot of lousy ones.

On to the Hollywood rounds next week.
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Post by: Jeanne on February 08, 2007, 08:29:15 PM
On that note, I shall say good night. Sweet dreams, everyone. I'll be dreaming about chocolate Cuddl Duds.
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 08:29:55 PM
Loved UGLY BETTY. The Justin storyline was so gratifying; I feared for his being allowed to be himself and was so pleased how that worked out. This family is truly unique and most welcome on television.

Was glad to see Daniel and Alexis working things out and Betty coming to some conclusions with Walter.

And a great bomb lobbed at us at the end by the mother. Wow!
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 08:31:22 PM
I also realized while watching UGLY BETTY tonight that it has now replaced CSI: MIAMI in my eyes as the most visually pleasing show broadcast in high definition. It's truly gorgeous to look at and a true rainbow of colors at Betty's home and at the MODE offices.
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 08:32:45 PM
GREY'S ANATOMY put on one of its patented high drama outings that in tone was exactly like the bomb episodes of last year. And since we have two more episodes before this particular story arc is played out, there's a lot of high drama ahead.
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 08:35:14 PM
CSI had one of the somberest episodes in its seven year history tonight as a story of a dead hooker and a dead Trenton, NJ cop was played out. By the end, Catherine was devastated, Grissom was acting like a schoolboy (and has regrown his beard in an even shaggier version that is very unbecoming), and the team took a hit that may consequences in future episodes.

The best CSI episode in months, maybe all season.
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 08:36:37 PM
Young guys shaving their chests? Um . . . . they're also shaving their arms and legs - completely unnatural and a complete and total turnoff for me.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 08, 2007, 08:42:41 PM
Well... It's been a long day, and tomorrow - and the day after that and the day after that and the day after that will also be long days.  -Actor briefing at 8:00AM!  -Buffet breakfast - FREE! - starts at 6:00AM.  So...

Goodnight.
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Post by: Matt H. on February 08, 2007, 08:49:40 PM
Heading downstairs to bed as well.

Good night!
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 08, 2007, 09:09:04 PM
Answering Jack and Richard III queries from page five.  I've not read the Patricia Cornwell book, Jack the Ripper...Case Closed.  I have it, but it has been pretty much vilified by every eminent Ripperologist for its shoddy research and basically rehashing an already discredited theory.  

The best books on the subject for me our Donald Rumbelow's THE COMPLETE JACK THE RIPPER (Also known as Jack the Ripper, the Complete Casebook) and anything by Martin Fido or Paul Begg is usually competent and well-researched.  Rumbelow was a Scotland Yard detective and had access to the files.  He is the acknowledged expert (along with the other gentlemen mentioned above) and also does tours in London for the Jack the Ripper Walk.  We took it with him as our guide at night which was fascinating.

The best Richard III bio is by Paul Murray Kendall.  I like lawyer Bert Fields' ROYAL BLOOD book on the princes' mystery defending Richard against Alison Weir's book on the same subject(which I've not read).  The Trial of Richard III, based on a BBC television program, is also iinteresting. Lots of good fiction on the subject, most notably Josephine Tey's The Daughter of Time.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on February 08, 2007, 09:13:57 PM
Richard's limp may indeed may be the significant source of the need of the phallic symbolism of the tower.


The historic Richard didn't have a limp or a hump or a withered arm, all from Shakespeare via the distortions of Thomas More, who happened to be raised in the house of John Morton, the Bishop of Ely, and one of Richard's greatest enemies.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on February 08, 2007, 09:16:39 PM
I see as I read on, that Elmore has already dissed Cornwell appropriately and thoroughly with the right details and I'm merely piling on.
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 09:19:31 PM
I was just curious if you had seen the book also. I was not impressed with it either... I know only of the other title due to the fact I had to place it on the cart for reshelving.

I will check out the other two titles, CP.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 09:30:34 PM
Back from a lovelier than lovely meal with Mr. Cason Murphy.  When I arrived, I asked to be seated at a booth.  At that time there were four empty booths.  I was told that they had to hold those for larger parties and I said, "Oh, you're expecting larger parties - hope they arrive."  We were seated at a small table for two, which I hate, being a semi-claustrophobe at all.  Moments later, people at a booth left, and that meant there were five open booths, then six.  Then a party of three came in and it was back to five.  It remained at five throughout most of the meal, then they began seating couples at booths, three booths' worth to be exact.  I'd had enough of that particular show, so I confronted the hostess - she got very uppity and said those people had reservations - I basically told her she was full of crap and that I'd be happy to go over to their tables and ask.  She apologized and said it was "orders from on high" and I said horse manure and she suggested next time that I call and reserve a booth.  I said there probably won't be a next time.  Tomorrow, I call the manager and explain to him the situation and reality.
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 09:30:49 PM
Now to finish a DVD.
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 09:30:56 PM

The best Richard III bio is by Paul Murray Kendall.  I like lawyer Bert Fields' ROYAL BLOOD book on the princes' mystery defending Richard against Alison Weir's book on the same subject(which I've not read).  The Trial of Richard III, based on a BBC television program, is also iinteresting. Lots of good fiction on the subject, most notably Josephine Tey's The Daughter of Time.

I first became interested in Richard III through The Daughter of Time.  I also have and enjoyed Royal Blood
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 09:31:11 PM
But first, will we never get to page fourteen?
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 09:33:09 PM
I don't know...but I know I must get some rest.  
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Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 09:33:38 PM
I suppose I can wait til we get there...
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Post by: Cillaliz on February 08, 2007, 09:33:54 PM
TA DA!!!!  

Night
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 09:34:47 PM
I will have to check that book out Cilla.... I have read The Daughter of Time
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 09:35:05 PM
Page 14 Dance!
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Post by: FJL on February 08, 2007, 09:55:32 PM
Wow, page 14!

That's all i have to say.
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: FJL on February 08, 2007, 09:55:51 PM
But can we get to 400?
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 09:59:14 PM
I think it is doable...
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 09:59:28 PM
The question is can we hit 500?
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: François on February 08, 2007, 09:59:31 PM
But can we get to 400?

In Truffaud's words, that would be some "blows!"
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 10:02:02 PM
Weare getting close!!
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 10:02:14 PM
Vanity 400 post!
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Post by: François on February 08, 2007, 10:06:37 PM
Weare getting close!!

Who's Weare? A new DR?! ;)
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: François on February 08, 2007, 10:07:23 PM
The question is can we hit 500?

So much violence!!

Peace & Love, I say!!
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 10:29:55 PM
Finished one DVD and am trying to get interested in another.
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 10:30:24 PM
Who's Weare? A new DR?! ;)

Urgh!!! i forgot to hit the space bar!  LOL
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: Tomovoz on February 08, 2007, 10:37:20 PM
The historic Richard didn't have a limp or a hump or a withered arm, all from Shakespeare via the distortions of Thomas More, who happened to be raised in the house of John Morton, the Bishop of Ely, and one of Richard's greatest enemies.

I guess I should have put those smilies you dislike so much.  I'm just fond of the Richard Dreyfuss interpretation.

RLP and I were having fun with Rapunzel by that stage.

I know it was really Jack the Ripper who had the hump and the limp. Or was that the Rump and the hemp.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 10:43:44 PM
II know it was really Jack the Ripper who had the hump and the limp. Or was that the Rump and the hemp.


I believe it was the gimp with the limp
what humped the frump in the rump

der Brucer
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 08, 2007, 10:48:12 PM
I do believe you've got it!
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Post by: bk on February 08, 2007, 10:59:41 PM
Will we never get to page fifteen?
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:09:51 PM
Any one else around for a posting frenzy?
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:10:09 PM
Has anyone seen DR DAnise lately?
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:10:23 PM
Vixmom?
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:11:14 PM
Will we never get to page fifteen?

I don't know- addressed my Brain envelope yet?

der Brucer
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:12:52 PM
Cows in cuddle duds?

That would be a sight to behold
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:14:00 PM
Any one else around for a posting frenzy?

Only if I can point out you posted 'omnipotent" when I believe you meant "omniscient".
We'll leave "omnipresent" until later.

der pendantic Brucer
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:15:08 PM
Cows in cuddle duds?

That would be a sight to behold

Or in diapers like lady astronauts!

der Brucer
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:16:23 PM
no problem...
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:17:17 PM
GEe, only 35 more posts until 6000
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:17:58 PM
Or in diapers like lady astronauts!

der Brucer

The cuddle duds are nicer...
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:19:25 PM
They just sentenced Alfonso Rodriguez here in FArgo earlier today. He is sentenced to death by lethal injection for kidnapping and murdering Dru Sjodin. He is a sexual predator that should have never been released jail due to previous violent crimes against women.
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:21:51 PM
derBrucer, it still has not warmed up yet in ND...

WE had -28 Wednesday morning...
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:22:06 PM
Page 15 dance!!
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:22:52 PM
Jane, thanks for your comments about my banner!

That cow is just too cute!
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:22:58 PM
no problem...

The "omni..." words are Mormon favorites (borrowed from classical catechistic Christianity)!

(God is all-knowing, all powerful and ever present)

der Brucer
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:25:05 PM
cool...
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:25:27 PM
Wanna help me hit 6000 tonight?
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:25:39 PM
derBrucer, it still has not warmed up yet in ND...

WE had -28 Wednesday morning...

At what point does Hell freeze over?

It's 16 here - and that's friggin chilly!

der Brucer
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:25:56 PM
Have you seen the pics of upstate New York?  They can keep all that snow... YIKES!!
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:27:01 PM
At what point does Hell freeze over?

It's 16 here - and that's friggin chilly!

der Brucer

Nah... that is -40

16 would be a nice evening here....
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:27:51 PM
They just sentenced Alfonso Rodriguez here in FArgo earlier today. He is sentenced to death by lethal injection ...

Bet he'll still be alive in 20 years!

der Brucer

Did you know that the life expectancy for prisoners on death row is greater than for the general prison population?
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:29:03 PM
Bet he'll still be alive in 20 years!

der Brucer

Did you know that the life expectancy for prisoners on death row is greater than for the general prison population?

Yeah, i know...

With endless appeals and the waiting list it will be a long wait.
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:30:07 PM
HOwever, the extreme cold is hard on utilities here and it taxes the system.
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:31:13 PM
I am ready for spring and it can come any time...

I am not a fan of extreme cold at all!
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:31:30 PM
Moo!!
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:31:55 PM
Contemplating a snack of ice cream.... maybe chocolate....
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:33:59 PM
derBrucer, what do you like to snack on?
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:34:20 PM
Hello TCB!!

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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:35:12 PM
Chicago Fashion:

(http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/photoessay_1411_images/0206072057_M_020607_weather_snow2.jpg)

der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:35:49 PM
Only 18 more to go to 6000
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:36:10 PM
derBrucer, what do you like to snack on?

Chocolate
Ice Cream
Wheat Thins
Good Cookies

der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:37:14 PM
ARe you sure that is not a disgruntled Bears fan?
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:37:55 PM
Those sound good. I also like chocolate especially dark chocolate.

Do you like dark chocolate?
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:41:39 PM
NO George...
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:44:22 PM
Well, this was sneaky!

Bismarck Tribune (http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2006/09/23/news/local/121219.txt)

Quote
The Rodriguez case was North Dakota's first death penalty case in about 100 years. Although North Dakota state courts do not have the death penalty, it is available in the federal system. Rodriguez's trial was held in U.S. District Court in Fargo.

And:

Quote
While more inmates were executed in the United States in 1999 than in any other year since the early 1950s, the last legal execution in North Dakota took place in 1905. Apparently, more people have been lynched here than have been legally executed.


der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:45:26 PM
Those sound good. I also like chocolate especially dark chocolate.

Do you like dark chocolate?

Yes, sinfully dark - a devilshly rich!

Must have some now!!!!

der Brucer
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:50:39 PM
Aah - before me there be:

One each Harry & David Dark Chocolate

Raspberry Truffle
Orange Truffle
Macadamia & Cashew Truffle

And one Almond  Ferrero Rocher

der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:51:20 PM
ND has a notorious record of lynching...
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:53:26 PM
Well, this was sneaky!

Bismarck Tribune (http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2006/09/23/news/local/121219.txt)And:der Brucer

Since it was an interstate crime with the kidnapping in ND and the murder in MN it qualified.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:54:37 PM
Two Truffles contain 190 calories and 11g of saturated fat (55% of the daily allowance)

These things need warning lables!!!

der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 08, 2007, 11:58:13 PM
ND has a notorious record of lynching...

Yup:

The Death Penalty (http://www.court.state.nd.us/court/news/deathpenalty.htm)
Quote
According to historian Frank E. Vyzralek, only one legal execution took place in the northern half of Dakota Territory—in Grand Forks in 1885. Seven legal executions took place after statehood. The last one—John Rooney in 1905—was the first to take place inside the prison walls at Bismarck. Previous executions had taken place in the counties, usually next to the courthouse.

According to Vyzralek, three lynchings took place in the northern half of Dakota Territory, and six took place in North Dakota after statehood. The last lynching was in McKenzie County in 1931.

The only triple lynching took place in Emmons County in 1897, and according to Vyzralek, it followed the North Dakota Supreme Court's reversal of the conviction of one of the three.

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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:58:50 PM
oh really....

Now I am depressed, I just ate one!
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:59:10 PM
Page 16 dance!!
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 08, 2007, 11:59:22 PM
10 to go!
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 09, 2007, 12:00:45 AM
Anybody up for a big cup of Hot Chocolate laced with cognac?

der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 09, 2007, 12:01:25 AM
that sounds intriguing....
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 09, 2007, 12:01:45 AM
8 more posts!
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 09, 2007, 12:02:09 AM
Wonder if bk decided to watch another DVD?
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 09, 2007, 12:05:47 AM
Weeding, weeding, weeding...
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 09, 2007, 12:06:24 AM
5
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 09, 2007, 12:09:11 AM
Put your right hoof, put your right hoof out and you shake it all about
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 09, 2007, 12:09:42 AM
Dear Daughter called to complain that the" I don't like to read books" Grandlad is out of reading material and want's the sixth volume of the Tales of the Odyssey (I gave him 1-5 earlier in the year). He also wants to read the rest of the Series of Unfortunate Events (he's done with books 1-5). We'll do a Border's run on Saturday - I have 2 vols of the Series on hold as well as Johnny Tremain (I also want A Wrinkle in Time but it's not in stock).

der Brucer

In the month of January he was required to read at least 250 pages at home - he logged 550!
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 09, 2007, 12:09:49 AM
Put your left hoof in, put your left hoof out and you shake it all about
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 09, 2007, 12:10:08 AM
and you moo all about....
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 09, 2007, 12:10:42 AM
That is remarkable...
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Post by: DakotaCelt on February 09, 2007, 12:11:08 AM
I have done it... IT is remooookable!!
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 09, 2007, 12:18:27 AM
Back with Cocoa and Brandy!

der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 09, 2007, 12:19:33 AM
I have done it... IT is remooookable!!

See how easy it is when we talk of sinful habits and lynchings.

der Brucer
Title: Re:HINDSIGHT IS TWENTY TWENTY
Post by: DakotaCelt on February 09, 2007, 12:20:35 AM
LOL!!