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Title: SHAZAM!
Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 12:01:52 AM
Well, yes, I do believe you've read the notes for to have not read the notes you simply don't know what's going on and to simply not know what's going on is to be not with it and we simply cannot have that.  To have and have not, that is the question.  So, post away, dear readers, on our various and sundried topics, and I shall return when she of the Evil Eye has left the home environment.  And hopefully, Fed Ex willing, I will have news on the art of Kritzer Time. 8)
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 12:05:57 AM
BK says in the notes, "I must write these here notes quickly because she of the Evil Eye will be here at any moment and I will have to beat a hasty retreat."  What kind of cleaning lady comes at midnight??? :D

Very much looking forward to seeing the Kritzer Time artwork.  Love what Harvey Schmidt has done for the first two books.

Bacall/Bogart - I'm afraid that I am woefully ignorant of their films.  Oh sure, I know I've seen one or two for each of them, but can't remember what.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: George on January 10, 2004, 12:06:08 AM
Second Post! :-\

I had originally posted "First Post!" but Jed beat me to the punch.  Darn.  So I modified it to more accurately reflect the true situation.  Then I modified it again to ad this paragraph.  So there.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 12:09:19 AM
Strangely enough, I know what SHAZAM stands for...

S - Solomon for Wisdom
H - Hercules for Strength
A - Atlas for Stamina
Z - Zeus for Power
A - Achilles for Courage
M - Mercury for Speed

-The gods who granted Captain Marvel a portion of his/their powers.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 12:09:55 AM
Have to get up pretty early in the morning to beat me, George!  Well, actually, no... it usually just requires staying up until midnight and having a bit of luck. :D

My next post shall open up the gates of HHW God-dom to me!  Am I worthy of such glorious environs?  Hell yes, I am!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: George on January 10, 2004, 12:10:02 AM
Anyway, ALMOST 20 pages yesterday (actually, just a few minutes ago)!  It's now past midnight and I have to start to clean my extra bedroom.  I hope it doesn't take too long.  I must get up early and I won't have too much time to work on it tomorrow until my sister shows up with two couches for me to store.

So, Goodnight All and let's all congratulate ourselves for a brand new posting record!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: TCB on January 10, 2004, 12:10:18 AM
BK says in the notes, "I must write these here notes quickly because she of the Evil Eye will be here at any moment and I will have to beat a hasty retreat."  What kind of cleaning lady comes at midnight??? :D


Usually, a lonely one.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 12:12:16 AM
Give that man a ceegar (Jose) re Shazam!  I must, however, turn into Billy Batson shortly so I can get a decent night's sleep.  Not quite yet, though, so I'll be around for a little bit longer to read your excellent posts.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: George on January 10, 2004, 12:12:22 AM
Jed, what in hell are you waiting for??  BECOME A GOD ALREADY!! ;D
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 12:12:27 AM
However, for Mary Marvel:

Selena for Grace
Hippolyta for Strength
Ariadne for Skill
Zephyrus for Speed
Aurora for Beauty
Minerva for Wisdom
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Laura II on January 10, 2004, 12:14:10 AM
I don't think I've ever seen a Bacall or Bogart film. I really ought to watch some classic films one day.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 12:14:24 AM
Alright, I suppose this is just a vanity post, but by gum and by golly, it makes me a HHW GOD!!! :D
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 12:15:07 AM
And moving along in the history of SHAZAM... For Black Adam

Shu for Stamina
Heru for Swiftness
Amon for Strength
Zehuti for Wisdom
Aton for Power
Mehen for Courage

-And please note, that his powers came from Egyptian gods, not Greek ones.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 12:15:48 AM
Key Largo.
I thought "Shazam" was just a Duane Eddy tune!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: George on January 10, 2004, 12:17:19 AM
Alright, I suppose this is just a vanity post, but by gum and by golly, it makes me a HHW GOD!!! :D

YEA!!!!

And now, for real, Goodnight Everyone! :-*
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: TCB on January 10, 2004, 12:17:23 AM
Alright, I suppose this is just a vanity post, but by gum and by golly, it makes me a HHW GOD!!! :D

Some of us, Jed, have always thought you were.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 12:18:07 AM
Very impressed by Jose's various and sundried SHAZAM knowledge.  Just further proof that most any information can be found here.  Either that or we just all know a bunch of worthless crap. :D
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 12:18:08 AM
LauraII, hie yourself to a store and get Casablanca.  Then, sit down, watch it with an open mind, and I think you will fall in love with what magic the movies can be.  The DVD is one of the best transfers of a black-and-white film ever.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 12:18:44 AM
For the Washington Gods until new quarters are complete:
Congratulations Jed.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 12:18:50 AM
And finally, in the most recent incarnation, SHAZAM drew his powers from:

Marzosh for Stamina
Arel for Speed
Ribalvei for Power
Voldar for Strength
Elbiam for Courage
Lumiun for Wisdom

Wow - The things your learn and research when workshopping a new musical... and, thankfully, still have on your laptop! ;)
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 12:20:54 AM
Very impressed by Jose's various and sundried SHAZAM knowledge.  Just further proof that most any information can be found here.  Either that or we just all know a bunch of worthless crap. :D

Worthless crap?

Worthless crap?

Well.. maybe just worthless... ;)
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 12:24:46 AM
And, DR Jed et al (et frank et sonny et frank), I'll be joining you up there very soon!  Just remember that I prefer linen table napkins over cotton ones.  And please, only Australian or Belgian chocolates on the pillows.

And NOOOOO WIRE HANGERS!!!!!!!

-Wow, I need to stop!  NOW!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Laura II on January 10, 2004, 12:27:27 AM
BK, I may do that. Casablanca is my aunt's favorite film, and my brother bought her the DVD for Christmas. We meant to watch it while she was here, but we never got to it. I will see her in a few weeks, though, so maybe we will watch it then.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 12:29:00 AM
Man!  Have a rough day, visit every once in a while, and everyone has gotten carried away and had a big posting day and then have gone to bed and left you with sniffles, a sore throat and 8 pages of stuff to read through.

Congratulations, Jed, on FINALLY accessing the rarefied heights of Godhood!

Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 12:29:50 AM
DR Tom of Oz:  Regarding your query as to who I thought I was reading when I read that statement Friday night....whom do YOU think I thought it was?

Hmmmmm?

:D
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 12:31:37 AM
Danise:  I am exceedingly sorry if I caused you any embarrassment whatever by taking part of your totally innocent post, removing a sentence or two and casting the remainders in a lugubrious light.

I really DID think it was a post from ____, and then I saw your photo and thought, "This can't be right!"

It's what happens when one is taking meds for a cold and tries to be cognet online!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 12:34:22 AM
I'm happy to report that the new season of "Stargate SG-1" started on the Sci-Fi Channel Friday evening and it was good episode.

I'm sorry to report that the followup show -- a new series called "Code Name: Eternity" -- is wholly lame and badly written.  Lots of unintentional giggles...or maybe it wasn't really even bad enough to be funny -- maybe it was the cold medicine.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: TCB on January 10, 2004, 12:36:43 AM
Ahh, Bogie and Bacall........... Key Largo, The Big Sleep

Bacall.......... Murder on the Orient Express, How To Marry A Millionaire

Bogie............... Casablanca, The Caine Mutiny, We're No Angels
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 12:37:18 AM
Oh, and for Captain Film Music:

Schifrin
Hermann
Addinsell
Zimmer
Antheil
Mancini or Morricone, if you prefer

And now I'm done!

Goodnight.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 12:37:52 AM
When DearReaderLaura reads this, I want her to know that I feel very badly for her, and I am absolutely sure she did what she had to do to ensure her much-loved cat had as long and good a life as possible.  

I am on watch every day now wondering if I will have to do the same thing -- either when I get up in the morning or when I return home.  I'd much rather Miss Vickie go quietly in her sleep, but it's much more likely I'll have a trip to the vet with the vet recommending lethe.  My only condition is that I be able to hold her and tell her I love her.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 12:39:47 AM
DR Tom of Oz:  Regarding your query as to who I thought I was reading when I read that statement Friday night....whom do YOU think I thought it was?

Hmmmmm?

:D
sound like a Maxwell Smart scene about to happen.
Good night all.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 12:41:04 AM
Humphrey Bogart:   "The African Queen", "The Maltese Falcon"

Lauren Bacall: "The Fan", "Designing Woman," "How to Marry A Millionaire"
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 12:43:12 AM
My Tony choices for musical stuff:

"Wicked" -- play
"Idina Menzel" -- Leading Actress, Musical
"Stephen Schwartz" -- Music and Lyrics
"Joe Mantello" -- Director

plus as many technical awards as it can qualify for!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 12:44:09 AM
Oh, yeah!

Sean Astin rates an Oscar nod for "Return of the King"!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 12:44:35 AM
Am I being repetitive?  

Am I in a time warp?

Will you do the time warp with me?
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 12:51:51 AM
Geez!  Seven people online and nobody posting but me?

Is it my breath?  
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: TCB on January 10, 2004, 12:53:22 AM
Well, I guess I should rest my hands and go to bed.

Good night all!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: DearReaderLaura on January 10, 2004, 01:06:17 AM
Thank you, folks, for your warm wishes. We had Tugger for over 14 years and he will be missed.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 04:32:48 AM
However, for Mary Marvel:

Selena for Grace
Hippolyta for Strength
Ariadne for Skill
Zephyrus for Speed
Aurora for Beauty
Minerva for Wisdom

I thought Zephyrus was for water.
And does that mean that Selena and Grace are lesbian lovers?
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 04:38:16 AM
I don't think I've ever seen a Bacall or Bogart film. I really ought to watch some classic films one day.

Dear Laura II:

You really shouldn't admit to such things. I think it is shameful that you never seen a Humphrey Bogart film. That denying yourself some of the great films ever made and some of the great film performances of all time. And to say that you never seen at least Casablanca is just.......Go rent it today! Make it a late new years resolution to rent or see some of these wonderful classic films!! You will feel so much better and won't be out of the loop! Go to it Girl!!!!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 04:44:20 AM
Deat TCB

Mr. Christopher Reeves was one of the kindest and most professional actor I ever had the opportunity to meet and work with. I remember the last part of the shoot was just him and me because of the camera angle. Even though I am not really seeen all that much in the final cut, the photo (taken from a different angle) is a wonderful rememberance of that day.

It is up there with working with Angela Lansbury on Little Gloria Happy At Last.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 05:00:03 AM
Bogart and Bacall
Not alot to choose from but
Key Largo and The Big Sleep (It is interesting to watch Bacall in both versions of the film.)

Bogart  So many to choose from but.....
Casablanca,
The Petrified Forest,
African Queen,
The Desperate Hours
Beat The Devil
and I always wanted to see The Return of Doctor X. (I have only seen clips from it and I am sure it could be a camp classic.)

Bacall
How to Marry a Millionaire ( A must see in widescreen)
Applause (TV Film which needs to be on DVD)
Murder on the Orient Express
The Fan (but not the movie itself)

and I saw Lauren Bacall in Woman of the Year. It was matinee and I was not overwhelmed by the show. I was disappointed by her performance I felt she was holding back because it was the matinee and was saving herself for the evening show. BUT Marilyn Cooper stole the show from her in the second act in her one scene. The show was later rewritten for its tour with Bacall.

And Bruce release it on CD for Bay Cities (#3008)
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Robin on January 10, 2004, 05:09:36 AM
I love the Captain Marvel serial, but like so many other serials based on comic books/comic strips, it doesn't exactly stay faithful to the source material.  Captain Marvel hisself has a gleeful sadism that simply isn't in the comic books, in which the Captain is good-natured, and engagingly simple.  Still and all, The Adventures of Captain Marvel is a necessary addition into my deeveedee library.  For those of you interested in the comic books, DC is reprinting the adventures of the good captain in THE SHAZAM! ARCHIVES series.  There are three volumes out now, with another one arriving in March or April of 2004.  Essential reading for comic book geeks.  

If you like The Adventures of Captain Marvel, you might also wish to see two serials based on the works of Lee Falk, The Phantom and Mandrake the Magician.  The first (and best!) Dick Tracy serial is also out on deeveedee, and it's a must.

About Mr. Christopher Reeve: when the movie Somewhere in Time was shooting at Mackinac Island, I was working the summer at the Grand Hotel, where the film was shot.  And working as an extra, I'm in the film.  Twice, actually.  Though I didn't get within arm's length of Mr. Reeve, I did have a bit of a conversation with the movie's other Christopher, Plummer.  He was quite a charmer, lemme tell ya.  

Oh, well, it's 'bout time I got down to business.  Today is the day the holiday decorations finally come down.  All the Christopher Radko ornaments (there seem to be a lot of Christophers in this posting, eh?) are going back into their boxes for another eleven months.  

Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 05:11:04 AM
From November 27, 2001

BK SAID

The jury is still out on the chat room. Other than the Unseemly Comment Box, I have no interest in a "message board". In fact, I would quickly become bored by a message board. I have no idea where this whole thing is going, but if I were to hazard a guess I would say it's going nowhere fast. I agree about more content and I would be content to have more content immediately, but that damn Mr. Mark Bakalor is slow as molasses, with an emphasis on the latter two syllables. Even now, or even shortly, the Unseemly Guy Haines Photo Gallery should be open. I don't know if that falls under the category of "content", though. Of course, our The Broadway Radio Show will be premiering next Monday.

Interesting how things evolved and changed all for the better.

Well Mark Bakalor is still slow as molasses but that's a different story.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 05:19:51 AM
Whatever happened to dear readers Lolita, Sushi from Japan (or whatever her name was) and Francois????
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Donna on January 10, 2004, 06:01:27 AM
Favorite BOGART films:
Petrified Forest
(Fresh from the stage version which he originated. Even then you could see the depth of his acting.)
Casablanca
(A classic. What I like is you can see him thinking.)
The African Queen
(What a match--Hepburn and Bogart. They should've done more films together. Not a usual role for him. In this one, his character does not have all the answers.)
The Maltese Falcon
(For me, a complex plot but he's the glue that keeps it all together.)
Caine Mutiny
(Just flat out terrific acting. Academy Award worthy.)
Treasure of Sierra Madre
(Three actors at their best.)
Sabrina
(The film is flawed and he's probably miscast but in one scene where he has no lines, he gives a lesson in screen acting.)

Favorite BACALL films:
How to Marry a Millionaire
(Such an entertaining film. She's just right on--stylish  and subtle.)
Designing Woman
(At her comedic and stylish best.)
Murder on the Orient Express
(Not just a pretty face, she showed her acting chops here.)
Written on the Wind
(A wonderful heartrending performance.)
The Shootist
(One of her best mature roles. Touching and knowing performance.)

Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 06:26:09 AM
I have been reviewing all of Dear Bruce Kimmel's past columns and I came across a posting that I would like to share. I got a good laugh from it.

From December 6, 2001

 So, what if Stephen Sondheim had written The Life? And it goes something like this (to the tune of Into The Woods):

Into the whores,
We have to pay,
Cause that's the only
Way they play.
Into the whores
Without delay
I've got a hundred dollars!

Into the whores,
They offer sex;
But just for cash
No cards or checks!
They'll sleep with scum
Or with execs
That's how they earn their living.

They'll do it straight,
Or kinky, too.
They'll say you're great
Though it's not true.
They'll do it in chains
If chains are your thing.
They'll dress up like a sheep, dear,
But costumes don't come cheap, dear

Into the whores,
On beds or rugs;
They don't have time
To give you hugs.
They've got to run
And go buy drugs
To keep their boyfriends happy.

Into the whores,
You pay your bucks;
For large amounts
You get "deluxe".
After a while
The Life just sucks...
They pay the pimp,
They do the dirty
They flaunt
They flirt
They touch
They do
They smile
They moan
They tell you you're fabulous...
Into the whores,
Into the whores,
Into the whores,
Then out of the whores
And home to your wife.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on January 10, 2004, 07:02:48 AM
They [Boy from Oz, Wonderful Town] are both usually on the half-price booth so if he can see them both I would say go for it. If he can only choose one, hmmm. Jackman is hot, sexy and funny but Donna Murphy is wonderful, and funny too. Oh, well, I'll go for the sex. See Jackman :-)

DR Ben, Thanks for the advice about which show of the two my friend should see. I'll pass it along, and I'm pretty sure you made up his mind for him. However, I'll leave out the information that the tickets are available at half price. For this guy, that point would be a turn-off.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 07:05:56 AM
DR Jed, I'm very sorry but your ascention to the uppermost reaches of Valhalla will be delayed until you watch THE MALTESE FALCON, THE AFRICAN QUEEN, THE PETRIFIED FOREST, or TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE. I'll be mentioning my own favorites Bogies in a minute, but those are good places for a guy unsure of his Bogie connection to start.

LauraII - CASABLANCA or THE AFRICAN QUEEN. Get them now!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 07:16:42 AM
Favorite Bogies: THE MALTESE FALCON, TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE, KEY LARGO, CASABLANCA, and THE HARDER THEY FALL.

That last title was Bogie's last picture. He's dying, and you can almost see it in his face as he carries a pained expression throughout the entire film and looks ill. Nevertheless, the performance is as riveting as any he ever gave, and the movie is a hard-nosed (yet supremely involving) look at gangster-controlled boxing in the 1950s. Much, much better than you think it is going to be, and it's on DVD, too!

Bacall - YOUNG MAN WITH A HORN finds her playing a bisexual mantrap. And it has great vocals from Doris Day, too. Also like DESIGNING WOMAN and her pair of Poirot mysteries: MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS and APPOINTMENT WITH DEATH. She's good enough in DARK PASSAGE, KEY LARGO, and THE BIG SLEEP, of course.

I saw her in WOMAN OF THE YEAR. Pitch problems, and she seemed to be bored with the show. A better star might have made the production more entertaining.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on January 10, 2004, 07:23:54 AM
DRMattH, You commented yesterday about I Had a Ball being the show you probably liked least (as an audience member). I enjoy listening to the score (much of it), and suspect you do, too. There are some great numbers, notably all of Karen Morrow's. Was it the entire production that you disliked, or just elements? I remember a NY Times article by the writer of the IHAB book, Jerome Chodorov. A college student was analyzing the reasons behind a big Broadway flop and had sent a questionnaire to Chodorov. Chodorov's point in the article: his show was just plain bad, and not worthy of a dissertation.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 08:00:56 AM
Welcome to GodJED! Your handbook is in the mail!

Condolences to DRLaura for Tugger.  :'(  There are endless balls of yarn in Kitty Heaven!

DRJOSE - if you have never visited the Museum of the City of New York, I highly recommend it!  It's on like 105th St & 5th - somewhere up there.  No admission fee - it's a donation at the door.  They have a great theatrical collection including original costumes from R/H shows, etc.   AND Mary Martin's costume from Peter Pan on Broadway!  And the rest of the stuff is interesting too!  :D

Yes, TCB, I was happy to see that photo of Mother Dolores!  Paula Prentiss talks on the Where the Boys Are commentary about visiting her at the convent.

So many posts yesterday!  

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......a lot of my favorites have been mentioned but here goes anyway:

Bogart:

Casablanca, They Drive By Night, The Caine Mutiny, Sabrina

Bacall:

Written on the Wind, Woman's World, How to Marry a Millionaire


It has been written that Hawks helped Bacall lower her speaking voice for movies because his ideal was always the "Frances Farmer bitch-with-a-baritone" sound.  And in fact he has said of Farmer:  "Considering talent, only Rosalind Russell and Carole Lombard can be mentioned in the same breath with her."

Museum of the City of New York!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 08:07:14 AM
Frances and Bing!  8)
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Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 08:09:58 AM
As many times as I've been to NYC, DR Jrand, I've never been to the Museum of New York either, but I'll remedy that this summer. Thanks for the info. Sounds great, and you can't beat the price!

Basically, I didn't find it funny, DR Dan. Buddy Hacket was pulling his own Zero Mostel antics and ad-libbing all through the show which cracked up some people around me, but whcih I didn't find funny, and you knew the lines weren't part of the show. (I didn't like it when Pearl Bailey did it in HELLO, DOLLY either.)And the songs on first hearing didn't stay with you. Yes, Karen Morrow was a great belter, but the music just didn't have staying power.

Here's a shock: my mom bought me the cast LP, and I listened to it once. Maybe I'd like it better now. I have not upgraded to CD, obviously, since I had so little regard for the show, but maybe it's time for a second listen!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: ArnoldMBrockman on January 10, 2004, 08:10:21 AM
bk-

correction-

FORCE OF ARMS was a movie with William Holden and Nancy Olson.

I believe the movie that you are referring to is THE BREAKING POINT with John Garfield and Patricia Neal.

SHAZAM!!!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on January 10, 2004, 08:23:31 AM
DRMattH,

Do give I Had a Ball another listen. Richard Kiley is not in his top form, but still good. And try to skip over Buddy Hackett's annoying numbers. There are at least five worthy songs, including the title one (IMHO).

I guess liking the IHAB album with the exception of Buddy Hackett is like enjoying Touched by an Angel, except for the angel stuff. (Which is the case with my friend Patty.)

Stan Freeman and Jack Lawrence wrote the score, and the notes say that Lawrence was also responsible  for Tenderly, Poor People of Paris, and If I Didn't Care.

I gather that Danny Kaye also did his shtick during Two by Two. And as much as I liked Golden Boy, it ticked me off when Sammy Davis sang What Kind of Fool Am I as his encore.

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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 08:31:40 AM
What is it with you people?! I go to bed early and you go on posting like crazy. Have you no decency?
Congrats on the huge day yesterday. Sorry I missed out on the fun. Went to bed early-ish because (a) I had the place to myself for the first time in a bit (with daughter's visit over) and, much as I absolutely loved having her here, I was luxuriating in being on my own and (b) for some reason I got sick as a dog - although I don't know what that means, because my dog is just fine, thanks. Anyway, I'm fine and dandy this morning. Although my eyes hurt from reading all the posts.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 08:41:53 AM
Yes, it has amazed me every morning for the last several to awake and find hundreds of more posts than when I went to bed (which has been later and later in an attempt to keep up as best I can!)

Since I fussed a little at DRs Jed and Laura earlier, let me admit that there are some classic films that I've never managed to find myself watching either. The first that comes to mind is LA DOLCE VITA.

That might be an interesting topic of discussion one day: to admit a classic movie, play, or TV show you've never seen.

Another potential topic: what universally despised film, play, TV show do you find yourself actually loving  - they're called guilty pleasures, and I sure have some.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 08:44:16 AM
DR Dan, I'm going out to lunch today with a friend, but I PROMISE to break out the LP this afternoon and listen again to the score. It would be great to be surprised by actually liking it now!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 08:55:05 AM
Another Bogie that I just got around to seeing in 2003 was IN A LONELY PLACE. That was a strange, surprising little gem of a movie. I liked it a lot.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 09:16:07 AM
Mr. Brockman is correct - I'd written the notes yesterday from work and I knew the Garfield wasn't right.  I looked it up when I got home and made a note to change it, then I forgot to do so.  I will do so now, however.

I saw Miss Bacall in WOTY and she was good the night I saw her.  The already mentioned scene with Miss Cooper brought the house down - absolutely four-star hilarious.  When I later saw the same number with Miss Racquel Welch and Miss Cooper it wasn't nearly as funny because Miss Welch doesn't do Miss Bacall's withering stares the way Miss Bacall does her withering stares.  It comes natchurly to Miss Bacall, but not to Miss Welch.

One of my favorite memories in my always-in-NY-days was coming out of Joe Allen and running into Tony Walton who was coming out of Orso's next door.  We hugged and chatted and while we were doing so my eye strayed to a woman standing nearby who was waving at me - it was Miss Bacall.  The next morning Tony called and said she would like to talk about doing an album.  When I got home that night there was a message on the machine from "that voice" - saying, "Bruce, this is Lauren Bacall, call me."  Click.  Like I had her number lying around.  It took another year to connect but I finally got to work with her on Brent Barrett's last album.  We had a Chinese food dinner and she was just delightful, and was in the studio, too.  We've spoken a few times since and I would have done the album had things not taken the turn they did.
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 09:17:12 AM
Jed [move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]CONGRATULATIONS![/move]
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 09:19:53 AM
I'm happy to report that the new season of "Stargate SG-1" started on the Sci-Fi Channel Friday evening and it was good episode.

I'm sorry to report that the followup show -- a new series called "Code Name: Eternity" -- is wholly lame and badly written.  Lots of unintentional giggles...or maybe it wasn't really even bad enough to be funny -- maybe it was the cold medicine.

We will be watching both tonight, or maybe we shall pass on Code Eternity.  Thanks for the tip.
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 09:27:02 AM
Ron I hope it will be awhile before you need to make a decision regarding Miss Vickie.  I believe in our hearts we know when it’s time.  Of course you should be allowed to hold her.  I always stay with my pets but I have learned not to look into their eyes.  It is easier if I just hold them without watching.
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 10, 2004, 09:33:01 AM
Worthless crap?

Worthless crap?

Well.. maybe just worthless... ;)
Crap is not worthless.  It can be used to make things fertile.

Of course, some of us are filled with more fertile material than others.

(Sorry, DR Jose, I couldn't resist.   ::))
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 09:34:59 AM
Well, she of the Evil Eye has arrived and I must make tracks.  I'll be back in a bit - keep the home fries burning so I have lots and lots to read upon my return to the home environment.
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 09:36:52 AM
Bogie and Bacall:  KEY LARGO

Bacall:  KEY LARGO, HOW TO MARY A MILLIONAIRE and THE SHOOTIST

Bogie:  Just about everything he has done, but my absolute favorites are
CASABLANCA and THE AFRICAN QUEEN.  I have also watched these two movies far more than any other movies.

Laura II those would be my first two Bogart pics for you to watch-NOW!

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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 09:49:04 AM
Good strong vibes to DR Ron!

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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 09:49:46 AM
MR BK - I hope you saved the answering machine tape!  
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 10, 2004, 09:51:41 AM
Talk about timing.  Check out today's Pibgorn (http://www.comics.com/comics/pibgorn/index.html)!

(Double-checking the link, if you're in catch-up mode, check Pibgorn for January 10th.  But they only hold the old stuff for about 30 days.)
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Post by: Danise on January 10, 2004, 10:04:40 AM
Danise:  I am exceedingly sorry if I caused you any embarrassment whatever by taking part of your totally innocent post, removing a sentence or two and casting the remainders in a lugubrious light.

I really DID think it was a post from ____, and then I saw your photo and thought, "This can't be right!"

It's what happens when one is taking meds for a cold and tries to be cognet online!

Do worry about it, Ron.  It happens to me all the time  :D!     No body loves a good joke better than me, even if it is on me. (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/lachen/laughing-smiley-014.gif)  But beware--I like to tease back!

Congrats to the newest God!  

Well, I have to go.  I need to buy a wedding gift for a gal at work.  Thank goodness for wedding registers.  At least I won't have to worry about buying them the 10th toaster!

Have a good one and I'll check back later!

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Post by: Danise on January 10, 2004, 10:10:59 AM
Hey, part of my post didn't post!

Bruce said:

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To be pedantic, Kimlet was Tony Walton's name for me - it's what he called friends - Jane Krakowski was Kraklet.  It became our designation for dear readers of this site, they were either Hainsies, after Guy Haines, or Kimlets, after me, or both, after both.

Which begs the question:  How does one know which one you are or if you are, in fact, one of either or both?   ???

And I might have to pick up Babylon 5 season 4 when I'm out and about today.

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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on January 10, 2004, 10:27:50 AM
Remember Mad magazine's "dumb answers to dumb questions" feature? While Gord was out doing some shopping, I started making a pot of minestrone soup and threw in a load of laundry (not into the soup). It was just Archie (the spaniel) and me here, and when Gord returned he asked, "Who's doing the laundry?" "Archie," I said, and went back to chopping celery.
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Post by: MBarnum on January 10, 2004, 10:28:40 AM
Ok, I hope that I won't be strung up, but I am just not a fan of Lauren Bacall.  She is a fine actress, but just does not appeal to me much. That said, if I were to pick two favorite Bacall movies they would be SEX AND THE SINGLE GIRL (although I haven't seen that one since I was about 10 years old), and THE GIFT OF LOVE (however, I prefer the Maureen O'Hara version titled SENTIMENTAL JOURNEY).

As for Humphrey Bogart, I don't go out of my way to see his films, but he did make two that are in my top 20 films...WE'RE NO ANGELS and THE DESPERATE HOURS...two films I very much enjoy!

DearReaderLaura, I am so sorry about your little Tugger!
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Post by: MBarnum on January 10, 2004, 10:32:33 AM
And for those of you who enjoy such things, here is a hottie of the day, who I had the pleasure of interviewing a few weeks ago.

William Reynolds...star of ALL THAT HEAVEN ALLOWS, CULT OF THE COBRA, FRANCIS AT WEST POINT, and starred in the TV series THE GALLENT MEN and THE FBI! Anyone remember him?

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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on January 10, 2004, 10:40:28 AM
When I later saw the same number with Miss Racquel Welch and Miss Cooper it wasn't nearly as funny because Miss Welch doesn't do Miss Bacall's withering stares the way Miss Bacall does her withering stares.  It comes natchurly to Miss Bacall, but not to Miss Welch.

BK - That's a wonderful tribute to Lauren Bacall and something that should be taught at acting school.

I was thrilled when Marilyn Cooper won her Tony. She was overshadowed by Barbra Streisand in I Can Get It For You Wholesale, but MC's songs are extremely effective. ICGIFYW should have provided a breakout role for her, too.
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Post by: MBarnum on January 10, 2004, 10:52:17 AM
By the way, I know you posted earlier this week about that "other" dvd board, but I have forgotten what it was called. BK, can you give me a link to it, I am most curious to peruse it!
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 10:57:02 AM
And for those of you who enjoy such things, here is a hottie of the day, who I had the pleasure of interviewing a few weeks ago.

William Reynolds...star of ALL THAT HEAVEN ALLOWS, CULT OF THE COBRA, FRANCIS AT WEST POINT, and starred in the TV series THE GALLENT MEN and THE FBI! Anyone remember him?



I remember him from the FBI. I was sad that he did do the last seasonb
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 11:07:01 AM
Good Morning!  Good Afteroon! Wherever you are!

Well, I slept in again today... Until Noon again...  And it's now 2:00pm EST again... And I still have yet to have breakfast/brunch/lunch again...  I shall rememdy that situation soon...  Hey, how about after I post?  Sounds good, heh?

As for Bogie and Bacall movies... They've all been mentioned already - Casablanca, Key Largo, African Queen, etc.  When I was in high school, one of my English teachers would screen classic movies for us at the end of the semester since we were usually ahead of schedule course-work wise.  Casablanca was always in the projector.

My parents got the DVD for Christmas, and it truly is an amazing transfer.  -And one I need to add to my own DVD library soon - I have it on VHS.
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Post by: Laura II on January 10, 2004, 11:07:17 AM
DRs Michael Shayne, Matt H, and Jane: I will try to rent those films as soon as possible! Thanks for the suggestions/commands! :D heehee
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 11:19:11 AM
DR MBarnum - Thank you for the pic of William Reynolds.  It reminds me of my last summer working at Coast Guard HQ in DC.  I used to work as a clerk at CGHQ during my college summers.  Yes, the hours were early(!) - 7:00-3:30 - but the pay wasn't bad, and I always got a nice raise - another GS-level - each summer I came back.  I even got annual and sick leave!  Of course, there were always lots of other college students working there too, and it was fun meeting students from other schools, comparing classes, stories, etc.

My last summer working at CGHQ, I was put on a special project team that was in charge of processing Merchant Marine veteran's benefits applications.  Merchant Marines were just granted full veteran status, and were finally able to apply for benefits - or their surviving family members.  Well, it was me and about 40 other college students in one big room with lots of computer terminals.  And LOTS of files.  And in the files there were pictures, mainly old IDs.

We all marvelled at the "look" that all the gentlemen had.  There was something very really handsome about them.  And the "look" was something that didn't seem "old" - especially the haircuts.  Very classic, and timeless.  Could be very "today".  Both the young women and the young men working with me thought they were very attractive.

It was also very gratifying to know that we were doing some very good and long-overdue work.  Even though we were only there for about three months - our summer vacation - we did receive a few letters from widows and children of former Merchant Marines thanking the team for processing the forms so fast - they were already starting to receive veteran's benefits in that short time!

Thanks again for the pic, MBarnum.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 11:22:48 AM
Well, I must hie my own butt-cheeks off this couch, and get bundled up so I can head out.  It's bright and sunny outside, but it is cold.  -At least it's not "Montreal cold". ;)

I'll probably just walk down to Carytown and grab something somewhere - BK, mentioned "home fries" and I think the deli still has them on the grill at this hour.

OH!  And I believe I have a chocolate stop to make too! :D

Later...
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on January 10, 2004, 11:27:27 AM

Marilyn Cooper was the niece of the Yiddish singer, Belle Baker, whose recording of Bei Mir Bis du Schoen is heard on the two-disc Columbia Legacy CD, From Avenue A to the Great White Way (Yiddish and American Popular Songs). For the history of that song:

http://www.yiddishradioproject.org/exhibits/ymis/ymis.php3?pg=2
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Post by: William E. Lurie on January 10, 2004, 11:30:55 AM
I've never seen Bacall where I didn't like her, but I will say she was the only reason to see "Barbra Striesand Has Two Faces".  I like the lighter side of Bogie such as "Sabrina" but that is because I prefer comedies.  However his absolute best was "Casablanca".  I have a couple of episodes of the radio series they did together in the early 50's.

BK - According to "Previews" - the magazine that lists new comic books and comics-related material -  "Captain Marvel" will be out on DVD in February.

Yesterday after work I picked up "Firebrand" and the new Alix Korey show "Listen To My Heart".  Today I got the package from All Music with over a dozen CDs I had ordered.  This includes such raraties as the OBC of "The Body Beautiful" (Harnick & Bock), studio casts of "Pleasures and Palaces" (Loesser) and "Look To The Lillies" (Styne), plus some never-before released Florence Foster Jenkins, a Blossom Dearie compilation, and several television soundtracks from the early 50s.  Now I have to find the time to listen.
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Post by: ArnoldMBrockman on January 10, 2004, 11:46:57 AM
WEL-

How do you log on to ALL MUSIC?
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 12:02:59 PM
I should get moving and go for a walk.  The sun is shining at it is 43 degrees out and there isn’t too windy.

Am I the only one who cares the NEW option keeps disappearing?  
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 10, 2004, 12:05:38 PM
"Was you ever stung by a dead bee?"  You do know that a very young Andy Williams dubbed Lauren Bacall's singing voice on the great Hoagy Carmichael tune "How Little We Know" in TO HAVE & TO HAVE NOT...

Favourite Bacalls, all with Bogie...TO HAVE & TO HAVE NOT, THE BIG SLEEP, KEY LARGO...my fav of hers, I love Edward G. Robinson whispering unheard filthy suggestions in her ear...And no one is better or more pathetic in that movie than the late, great Claire Trevor...her sadly singing Moaning Low for a drink is just heartbreaking.  They don't make scenes like that any more.

As for favourite Bogie... all the above films with Bacall, plus THE ROARING TWENTIES, HIGH SIERRA,  CASABLANCA, THE DESPERATE HOURS, and my favourite movie of his of all-time and one on my all-time top ten list of any movies, THE MALTESE FALCON.

Was it Bogart in THANK YOUR LUCKY STARS or Alan Ladd in VARIETY GIRL...both be war morale movies full of songs and skits...that did the bit where he's at a bar and guy has an argument with his girlfriend and tells her they're going home and to emphasize the point, slaps her around.  At which point, either Bogart or Ladd comes up to the guy and menacingly says: "Let me see you do that again."  The guy slaps the girl again and our star turns to the girl and says: "You better go home with him, lady, he seems pretty tough."
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 12:06:29 PM
What new option?
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Post by: TCB on January 10, 2004, 12:09:00 PM
Another Bogie that I just got around to seeing in 2003 was IN A LONELY PLACE. That was a strange, surprising little gem of a movie. I liked it a lot.

I agree, Matt.  Years ago, I was up late, becuase I couldn't sleep.  I flipped on the TV in time for the  start of In A Lonely Place.  I figured I would watch the first few minutes.  I couldn't stop watching it.  I was a zombie the next day at work, but it was worth it.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 12:17:06 PM
Only the next day TCB?
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 10, 2004, 12:19:25 PM
IN A LONELY PLACE is one of those Nick Ray movies that made him a darling of the French critics who gave him an auteur status far above what he  actually deserved.

Orson Welles once said, " The French ruin everything.  They say to you, 'You are one of the three greatest directors of all time!'  I nod and smile as they go on,  'There's you, John Ford,...and Nicholas Ray!'  It's always that third name that kills you."
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Post by: Maya on January 10, 2004, 12:24:42 PM
*Sigh* I suppose it's sad that I know Bacall better from her cast recordings of Applause and WOTY than I do her movies.  I DO love her duet with the WSMA too!

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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 12:25:42 PM
What new option?

Upon returning to HHW, NEW is what you click on to go immediately to the spot in the discussion where you left off.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 12:27:45 PM
Oh, I didn't notice it had disappeared.  I thought you meant a new option not the "New" option.  Semantics.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 12:28:26 PM
Well, Dan, I broke my promise. I got back too late to listen to I HAD A BALL without having to turn it off to watch figure skating this afternoon. I will get to it after the skating.

I got THE DESPERATE HOURS for Christmas and am SO looking forward to seeing it again. I saw it a couple of years ago on AMC and was reminded how much I loved it (and the stage version is really good). I noticed the DVD is enhanced for widescreen TVs, so that makes me doubly happy.
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on January 10, 2004, 12:33:37 PM
Well, Dan, I broke my promise. I got back too late to listen to I HAD A BALL without having to turn it off to watch figure skating this afternoon. I will get to it after the skating.

Matt,

To tell you the truth, I haven't heard it - or anything else on vinyl - in years. (I know it's been released as a CD.) Who knows? Were we to listen at the same time, the balance could shift - you to a positive place, me to a negative one.  
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 12:34:06 PM
TCB you might find this google headline interesting: Hey, Tacoma, you're No. 1 on list of most stressed cities.

Lucky you can come here to de-stress. ;)
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 12:36:44 PM
Oh, I didn't notice it had disappeared.  I thought you meant a new option not the "New" option.  Semantics.

LOL.  I noticed it yesterday morning when there had been soooo many posts after I left for the evening, and I didn’t have a clue which page to begin on.  
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 12:54:40 PM
We have TIVO set to automatically record all of Bogart’s movies. :)
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 01:00:12 PM
Lovely, lovely posts.  And what do I have here sitting on my table?  Lovely, lovely, amazingly lovely art from Mr. Harvey Schmidt.  Unfortunately too large to scan so I had them scan just the bottom half although that's basically the art with what's above it (what's missing in the scan) the stormy sky.  I love it.  I'm about to share it with you, although it's saved on disc in a weird way so I don't know how it will print here in a post.  I'll do a test momentarily.  Also, it's a low rez scan that doesn't do justice to the subtle and amazing color scheme.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 01:04:28 PM
Men's and ice dancing finals on ABC right now!  Timothy Goebel in 10th place after the short program has withdrawn.  :(
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 01:06:03 PM
Awaiting the picture!  
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 01:11:50 PM
Men's and ice dancing finals on ABC right now!  

I’m recording it.  Thanks.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 01:13:47 PM
Won't load - they saved it too big.  Maybe Craig can talk me through resizing it.
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 01:17:17 PM
With apologies to all the TO Hainsies and Kimlets, it's the kind of stunningly beautiful day here that makes me SO glad that I'm not in Toronto.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 01:17:29 PM
BK send me the file I might be able to reduce it's size if its a JPEG
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 01:23:26 PM
Won't load - they saved it too big.  Maybe Craig can talk me through resizing it.

Can you email it to me?
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 01:27:32 PM
LOL he has no shortage of help now...LOL.  How anxious can we be?  LOL
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Post by: Jennifer on January 10, 2004, 01:28:29 PM
Wow so many posts to catch up on.

I will be quick cause I must eat. But I was also wondering what kind of cleaning lady shows up at midnight :)

Very sorry DR Laura about your kitty.
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Post by: Jennifer on January 10, 2004, 01:34:50 PM
DR Danise: I have never heard of that Special K diet. Sounds yummy! Let me know if it works.

DR Jose: I am so jealous that your friends are gonna be on Trading Spaces. I would love to be on that show. Or at least get to be in the background to see what it's like.

DR Jed, I can't remember if I congratulated the god or not!

Re: miss saigon, I LOVE  that show. My favorite time seeing it was before it closed on bway with Lea Salonga and Ruthie Henshall. Totally fantastic.

Oh and I actually used to be obsessed with blood brothers as well. My friend and I were so addicted to the Petula Clark recording that we went to toronto to see it when it played there.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 01:40:35 PM
Because I'm on a moron dial-up it would take forty minutes to send via e-mail so that Craig or Jrand could re-size.  I COULD resize if my Dell Picture Studio software that conveniently resizes hadn't expired.

So, I took a pic with my moron digital camera and Craig has made it so I can post it.  Quality terrible, colors not so right, left and right sides cut off but you'll see the top half of the image at least - the title and author go in the sky area and the rest of the art just carries down, which is different than the first two books and I like this way better.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 01:41:58 PM
And here it is - forgive the quality but I wanted you all to get the very first peek.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 01:43:46 PM
Hope you can tell.  The building letters on the right is the DOT Records building, which you can see beautifully in the full art.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 01:45:53 PM
Perfect!!!!   I love it!
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 01:46:38 PM
I always loved those raining days.  The artwork is very nice and I look forward to its appearance on the book cover.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 01:52:40 PM
Wait till you see a good copy of it - the detail is amazing!  It just captures the book perfectly, as all his covers have done.  I am blessed.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 01:58:49 PM
Wallich's at Hollywood & Vine.....where was the Capitol Records building from there?  And I am afraid to ask what is there now?  Condos or a parking lot?
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 01:58:51 PM
Memories of DOT:
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Post by: George on January 10, 2004, 01:59:57 PM
Great cover (detail), BK.  You are lucky that you know so many muli-talented people!  I can't wait to see the whole picture and with the correct colors!
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Post by: Ben on January 10, 2004, 02:12:28 PM
562 from yesterday and 118 so far today!!! It will be a long Monday morning, let me tell you. I haven't read todays' notes yet but didn't want to be counted as errant and truant but I won't be around tomorrow so I'll have a boatload of posts to get through on Monday.

Bye all.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 02:15:27 PM
Tab Hunter, Gale Storm, AND Pat Boone - more of what Dot's Got!
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on January 10, 2004, 02:19:30 PM
BK,

The cover art evokes a wonderful mood. Harvey Schmidt is certainly blessed - twice, at least - in the department of creative gifts.
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Post by: George on January 10, 2004, 02:27:49 PM
My sister's two brand new couches for her still-being-built house are finally being stored in my sort of cleaned up extra bedroom. ::) My sister wanted short couches to face each other (they're only about six feet long) so thankfully, it was not too difficult for her boyfriend and I to carry them up the one flight of stairs and into my extra bedroom.  Before she told me that they were short couches, I had visions of her other couch, which was almost eight feet long and quite deep...and VERY heavy.  I borrowed that when I had my previous apartment, but at least I lived on the ground floor then.  

As for Bogey and/or Bacall movies:

Lauren Bacall:  "Murder on the Orient Express," "Misery" (small part) and "How to Marry a Millionaire"

Humphrey Bogart:  "Casablanca," "We're No Angels," "The Maltese Falcon" and "The African Queen"

Bogey and Bacall:  "Key Largo," "To Have and Have Not" and "The Big Sleep"

Well, I have things to see, people to go and places do so I'll be in and out (mostly out) for the rest of the day.

And congratulations to the newest HHW God (from the previous newest HHW God):
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]Jed, the Newest HHW God!! [/move]
;D
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Post by: JMK on January 10, 2004, 02:34:31 PM
I believe that DR Charles Pogue is quoted in last Wednesday's Variety article about the WGA brouhaha (I get my copies several days late due to the mail--sorry if this has been mentioned).
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 02:35:26 PM
Love the art work, BK!  I can't wait to see it on the dust jacket!  :D

-I decided to put the figure skating on... hmm... I may turn back to the low-carb special on FoodTV...  "Dueling banjos"?  Oh, and now "The Devil Went Down to Georgia"???  Hmmm.. not bad footwork... How I do wish one had the option to watch without hearing the commentary - that always drives me crazy during the Olympics.  Sometimes it seems like the commentators are projecting the flubs and missed jumps.  And sometimes, the comments are just plain stupid.

-Oh, and what a coincidence - they just explained a what a "lutz" is.   :)

I had a good walk.  Grabbed lunch at the NY Deli - a Spanish omelet, and an onion bagel with liptauer (did someone say "low-carb"?).  Then I headed down to the end of the strip and worked my way back.  My favorite knick-knack shop had TONS of Christmas stuff on clearance.  Usually, by February, they start putting things at 75% off... sometimes even 90%... I'll check back then.

Oh, Michael Weiss is coming up...maybe I'll watch him... then go back to FoodTV...

Hmmm.. Ryan Jahnke... Interesting costume...  back to FoodTV in the meantime...

I actually walked out of that store with nothing in hand - which is very rare for me.  Even one of the clerks was surprised, but she also remembered that this was one of the few years where I actually bought a lot of stuff before Christmas (not on clearance), so she understood.  *And she also tipped me off to a special "private sale" coming up in a few weeks... Hmmm...

It wasn't too cold outside, but the breeze did pick up every now and then.  It was very nice to stretch my legs, and I actually kind of like the cold weather.

Oh, and my trip to For the Love of Chocolate was quite "productive"...  ;D

Hopefully, I'll be starting some bundling of old magazines and catalogs soon... I bought the twine, at least.

*Does anyone know if Gourmet magazines are still collectible?  -They're the one thing I'm on the fence  about in regards to keeping.

OK - Time for Michael Weiss.. back in a few...
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Post by: JMK on January 10, 2004, 02:38:01 PM
Really lovely artwork and beyond weird for me, because I was JUST thinking about Dot records this morning.  Was it always a Paramount imprint or did Paramount get involved later?  I was too young for the first wave of Dot artists, but I well remember one of the very first LPs I bought was the soundtrack to The Odd Couple on Dot.
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Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 02:40:57 PM
DR Jed, I'm very sorry but your ascention to the uppermost reaches of Valhalla will be delayed until you watch THE MALTESE FALCON, THE AFRICAN QUEEN, THE PETRIFIED FOREST, or TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE. I'll be mentioning my own favorites Bogies in a minute, but those are good places for a guy unsure of his Bogie connection to start.

Well, I think I'm alright, as one of the two Bogart pics I do remember seeing is THE AFRICAN QUEEN (CASABLANCA being the other).  Only thing is, both were seen a number of years ago, and I just don't remember them all that well.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 02:41:54 PM
Michael Weiss... Not bad... we'll see what the scores say...

OH!  Should I not be talking about this for the West Coast contingent who is most likely on tape delay?  ???
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 02:43:15 PM
One more men's contestant.  Very good competition this year!
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 02:43:45 PM
Yes Jose - we can just say what we think without revealing the results!
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Post by: JMK on January 10, 2004, 02:46:22 PM
JR, it occurs to me that if Dot was indeed a Paramount imprint it would have been the perfect label for that rare "Frances Farmer Swings Fats Waller" LP we've been trying to track down!   ;D
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 02:52:32 PM
Could be JMK....although they SWEAR it's on Imperial.  And remember that United Artists memo on Ebay that was sent around in '58 about Frances recording an album of folk songs for that label?  

HEY LEFT COASTERS - a great men's competition well worth watching!  Everyone rises above himself!
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 02:52:34 PM
DOT was founded in 1950 by Randy Wood in Gallatin Tennesse. He moved to Hollywod in 1956 and sold Dot to Paramount in 1958. Dot was eventually absorbed by ABC records in 1973. HHW: answers to everything.
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Post by: Robin on January 10, 2004, 02:56:31 PM
Here's a major difference betwixt the stars of yesterday and today...well, at least the male stars.  Are there any leading men in Hollywood these days who is actually just butt-ugly?  Bogart was butt-ugly.  And not only was he a star, he was a sex symbol, fer cryin' out loud.  

About the only big name leading man who's actually ugly these days is Benicio del Toro, who looks like the Bizarro World's version of James Dean.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 02:58:25 PM
I guess I am going "Dotty" today.
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Post by: Robin on January 10, 2004, 03:01:55 PM
Oh, and by the way...with the decorations now neatly stored away, the Christmas season is now officially over.  It's kind of bittersweet...one gets used to the glittering gaiety of it all.  
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 03:06:26 PM
Bogart movies: "The Road to Bali". "cameo role". I watched it last week.
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 10, 2004, 03:16:04 PM
Dear DR Laura II:

If you haven’t seen Casablanca, then the odds are that a lot of your friends haven’t seen it, either.  What I think you should do is invite a group of them over and watch it together!  Make a party of it, or at least a “girl’s night in” or something.  And if you have trouble convincing some of them to come, here’s Uncle Woody’s List of Reasons to Watch Casablanca:

   Bogart – Was never better than in this film.  It perfectly captures his persona, and everything else he did, both before and after, can be seen in relation to this central performance.  He’s tough, but he’s also amazingly romantic.  Yes, you and the crew are going to want to see African Queen as a follow-up, but this one really should come first.

   Ingrid Bergman – In what may well be the persona role of her career.  She was never lovelier than she is in this film, to the point of being luminescent.  But that’s only part of what she brings to the film.  She isn’t just “the woman” in the picture.  She makes you understand how Bogart’s Rick could fall so deeply in love with her.  Suggested follow-up would be Hitchcock’s Notorious, opposite Cary Grant.

   The Other Players – as in Paul Heinreid, Claude Raines, Conrad Veidt, Sidney Greenstreet, and most particularly Peter Lorre (before he proved what an adept comic he could be in the next follow-up film, Arsenic and Old Lace, again with Grant and with Boris Karloff spoofing himself.

   Paul Dooley – The most important supporting role of them all, singing “As Time Goes By.”  But he does more than sing and play the piano, he plays the one fellow who is Bogart’s true friend, willing to tell him things that are true.  Given race relations when the film was made, that was something of a statement to make, even if it wasn’t obvious at the time.  (In fact, that it wasn’t obvious was probably part of how it became part of the film!)

   Michael Curtiz – The director.  Talk about a career!  Just a quick glance over the films he made gives us Captain Blood, The Adventures of Robin Hood, The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex, Yankee Doodle Dandy, Life with Father, White Christmas…in a word, wow!  He was a master working in color (add Robin Hood to that list of follow-ups), but what he could do with black and white was simply amazing.  He could make you want to stay in Kansas!  This man knew how to make movies!

   The Writing – Working from a not-too-good play by Murray Bennett and Joan Alison, the twin brothers Julius and Philip Epstein and Howard Koch came up with a classic, full of drama and amazing dialogue.  No one could ever speak like this in real life!  But we do, because we quote them so often.

   The Studio System Gets it Right – Which, considering how films were being cranked out at the time, and how this was not conceived as one of the big pics when they started making it, is remarkable.  It could have been a throwaway clunker, forever forgotten, but instead all the pieces fit together to make for one of the classic touchstones of our culture.

That should be enough.  Like I say, get your friends together for an evening at the movies.  Pair this one with African Queen, get together on another night for back-to-back Notorious and Arsenic and Old Lace.  And get back to us for other pairings.  The crew around here is bound to have tons of suggestions.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 03:20:17 PM
In the "For What It's Worth" Department:

We left coasters got the competition live, the same as you.  It started at 1 p.m. with tape of last night's ice dancing competition and segued into the Men's finals live from Atlanta.  I was watching when you were watching.

For Hawaii, though, I'm not sure they're got it live.

At any rate, it was an interesting and shockingly good finals for men....FINALLY!  And the winner deserved his win.  No one performance was electrifyingly better than the others, although the winner was probably a good notch above the rest of the pack.  
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 03:21:29 PM
Oh, and by the way...with the decorations now neatly stored away, the Christmas season is now officially over.  It's kind of bittersweet...one gets used to the glittering gaiety of it all.  

The trick is to find a way to maintain that glittering gaiety -- in some fashion -- all the year long!!!
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 03:28:53 PM
To "glitter and be gay". A creed to live by. One out of two ain't bad.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 03:29:02 PM
Nice skating.  And I only caught the last half-hour.

-But some of the commentary still drove me up the wall!

And the musician in me just wishes some of the editing would be more seamless.  Yes, I know, tempo changes are a good thing - and more or less required - but sometimes the edits are so static, so un-musical.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 03:31:37 PM
Thanks DR Ron - didn't realize ABC went live coast to coast for the broadcast!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 03:35:22 PM
I enjoy Dick Button's commentaries, for the most part.

It's when you're watching Ice Dancing and a Susie Wynn intones -- EVERY time a pair skates -- and now they're doing 'twizzles'."

What I want to know is why they're so fershluganah agog over twizzles and why they feel "we" want to know what that silly little movement is called.

Oh, I don't mind the lutzes and axels and flips and loops and flying threes and death drops and butterflies and sit spins and blur spins and cross-legged spins, and lifts and carries, et.al., but I DRAW THE LINE at wanting to know about TWIZZLES!

If I were out there on the ice skating my heart out, I'd die of mortification if I thought Susie Wynn or Peggy Fleming were commenting on me doing twizzles when I was envisioning something grander or more dramatic.

Here's a headline:

Former skater twizzles self to death!
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 03:36:26 PM
glitter and be gay =Barbara Cook = The Grass Harp = The movie "the Grass Harp": just to get a link somehow. I watched it last night. Not a perfect movie but some enjoyable performances. Did it ever have  a movie release or was it straight to Tv and video. 1995 I think. Matthau, Spacek, Durning, Lemmon, Piper Laurie, Roddy McDowell and Nell Carter. What a cast. (I will not mention the presence of Steenburgen as it might be offputting!)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 03:36:29 PM
Thanks DR Ron - didn't realize ABC went live coast to coast for the broadcast!

This is NOT a given.  It just happens to have worked out that way this year.
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Post by: Jason on January 10, 2004, 03:36:34 PM
Jose: Your trip to the candy store was "productive?!" So cryptic, you are... Did they have the mint M&Ms? Did they have the Galaxy Bars? Oh! The excitement is killing me...I have to pee!

My DVD player is behaving quite wonderfully today for some reason...no wavy lines or squiggly things on the screen. Maybe it's because I finally dusted the TV! Haha!

I think I'm off to the local supermarket to get a couple of nice plants for the apartment. I feel the need for greenery, and since I don't EAT green stuff, I might as well LOOK at it, right?

DRLaura: I'm so sorry about your kitty...I know he was very special to you guys. I also know that you did what you had to do, and you did it because you loved him. Up there, in Kitty Heaven, he knows it, too.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 03:38:44 PM
If the skating is ever shown here in Oz, it will be at 3.00am in an off rating period.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 03:40:11 PM
If the skating is ever shown here in Oz, it will be at 3.00am in an off rating period.

Does Australia HAVE figure skaters?   :o
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 03:42:33 PM
I know DR MattH enjoyed the men's finals.  Some of his favorites skated exceptionally well.  
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 03:46:46 PM
We don't even have ice Ron. It is the driest continent. The only continent with less rain is Antarctica. We can't afford ice.
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Post by: Emily on January 10, 2004, 03:50:11 PM
Does Australia HAVE figure skaters?   :o

I don't know about Ozian figure skaters... but they DO have an Olympic gold medal winning short track speed skater.

I will never forget the hilarity of watching that live with my family and saying, as the leading four skaters came around the final bend, "how sorry do you feel for the australian guy who is so far behind?"

Then someone tripped and brought down everyone else with them. Everyone except for Mr. Australia who was so far back he was able to adjust and skated AROUND the fallen competitors for gold! :D  
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 03:54:34 PM
What of the great moments in sport Emily.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 03:55:11 PM
Memories of "Cool Running".
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 03:55:33 PM
We don't even have ice Ron. It is the driest continent. The only continent with less rain is Antarctica. We can't afford ice.

Now, Tom!  I know there is ice in Australia.  I had some in my hotel room refrigerator when I was in Perth.

Not enough to field a figure skating team on, though.  Do they perchance train in New Zealand?

I may be totally remiss in keeping up with Oz's winter sports teams, but I've never seen an Australian figure skater.  I'm almost positive there must be a few...but...
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 03:59:04 PM
I suspect there would be less than 10 ice skating rinks in OZ Ron. Not exactly an environment to promote a sport. I think the skaters have to provide their own ice. You did realise (realize) that that was not frozen water in Perth.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 04:01:45 PM
The last winter Olympics provided this country with its first ever medals for winter sports - not bad for a continent with no permanent snow line. I think we have provided world class "freestyle" skiers. (or whatever the sport is called).
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 10, 2004, 04:02:33 PM
JMK, Yes, twas I quoted in Variety a few days ago.  I wanted to get a strong statement out there to shut up all the whingers who are going to be saying what an embarrassment this is for the guild and how it weakens it.  Personally, it's only an embarrassment for Ms. Riskin who shouldn't have tried to dodge around the eligibility question.  The Guild has proven its strength once again, by listening to a member, investigating what it needed to investigate, resolving the problem properly, serving its by-laws and constitution, serving its membership. It's shown that the guild is its membership and that no one person is more important than the whole and that the rules apply to everybody.  And, frankly, Charles Holland is the best possible president we could have at this time.

BK, even though the image may not be the best, the art is my favourite so far,  I particularly like the stormy sky...symbolic of book's darker, melancholic aspects, perhaps.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 04:03:33 PM
DR TomovOz, you are pulling my leg.

Stop that.  I'm ticklish!

I know that was real ice, 'cause it melted in my glass!
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 10, 2004, 04:07:11 PM
I know that was real ice, 'cause it melted in my glass!
Are you sure it melted, and didn't disolve?  The two things look a lot alike sometimes.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 04:15:29 PM
DR Jason - RE: My "productive" trip to the chocolate store - You'll find out in a few days ;-)  -Hope you peed, if not, pee now!

-I'm reminded of that monologue from The Nerd... "Urinate!  Urinate!..."

And DR TCB - I also put an "inquiry" for you too.
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 04:15:58 PM
Here's a major difference betwixt the stars of yesterday and today...well, at least the male stars.  Are there any leading men in Hollywood these days who is actually just butt-ugly?  Bogart was butt-ugly.  And not only was he a star, he was a sex symbol, fer cryin' out loud.  


I have to disagree with you.  While I never thought of him as handsome, I don’t think of him as ugly.  Surprisingly, if you look at pictures from his early stage work he was rather nice looking.  Now Edward G was ugly.
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Post by: Andrea on January 10, 2004, 04:17:53 PM
Indeed, DR Jennifer, CYGOPP and I are reunited. Get Emily to tell you about the benefits.

And DR Emily-- I have indeed gotten all my grades back. Perhaps if you posted parts two and three of the NYC trip, they will come.

And DR Laura: Sorry about the Kitty.

Thoughts on Wicked: Defying Gravity is wonderful. Dancing through life? jury is still out... and it isn't looking good.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 04:18:13 PM
DR TomovOz, you are pulling my leg.

Stop that.  I'm ticklish!

I know that was real ice, 'cause it melted in my glass!

Ticklish?  Are you sure he's pulling your leg?

And when I was in Australia last summer/their winter, I was told to stay away from anything called "ice".  Bad.  Very, very bad.  :-X
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 04:19:56 PM
Are you sure it melted, and didn't disolve?  The two things look a lot alike sometimes.

Yeah... Sometimes it just depends upon your diet...

-Hmm, was that really called for!?!?!?!?

???
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Post by: Andrea on January 10, 2004, 04:19:59 PM
Indeed, the more I think about it, the more Norbert's voice is beginning to sound like my therapist.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 04:22:15 PM
OH!!! OH!!!! OH!!!

DR SWW - You're just two posts away from your voice dropping, your stomach getting flabby and your hair turning gray!!!!

What a cause for celebration, huh?

:D

Ooohhhh... And I guess I'm just a few posts away from own personal ascension.. AND it's a Trading Spaces night too!
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Post by: JMK on January 10, 2004, 04:28:53 PM
Re:  Wicked and Norbert.  Another synchronicity (doesn't that mean I'm on the right track--ooh, a double Schwartz reference)--we JUST finished listening to it a few minutes ago.  My wife saw it the first week it was open on Broadway and loved it.  I am really, really ambivalent on the score as recorded, which surprises me.  However, my comment after listening to Norbert on "Dancing through Life" is that my friend Brooks Ashmanskas should sue him for vocal style infringement.  I mean, it was one thing in Last 5 Years, as JRB apparently had Brooks' voice in mind when writing that score, but this is ridiculous.

Maybe Norbert should do a triple Butz.  No groaning allowed.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 04:30:08 PM
Jose: I certainly hope you took heed of theat "ice" warning.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 04:34:08 PM
I was trying to modify/correct this earlier, but my connection went all kerfloohey, so... if anyone is reading back, it is different ;-)

Oh, I meant to mention this last night...

Sometimes the local Richmond news cast is a little too local.  They were broadcasting some pre-recorded public service announcements during the news yesterday.  Well, there was an announcement for the first meeting of the year for Overeater's Anonymous, their "New Year's Resolution" meeting.  Well, when it came time to announce the name of the organization, the name came out:

"Overeater's AMoMynous"... TWICE!!

AND it was pre-recorded, and played about twice - that's how I made sure it was "amomynous".  ???  Now, come on!  Surely, someone could have caught that during the editing?  Or maybe they were running out of time and just left it that way.

Of course, that still does not compare to one remark the film reviewer made about watching Dances With Wolves.
Female Broadcaster: "So, what did you think about Dances With Wolves?"
Male Broadcaster/Film Reviewer: "Well, after watching Kevin Costner's new movie, I was walking funny the next morning!"

<moment of stunned silence from the studio>

-Of course, I think he was referring to all the horse-riding going on in the movie, but the moment of silence kind of inferred otherwise.

:o
:-X
???
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 04:36:41 PM
Just back from an endless walk and how lovely to see such sparklingly sparkling posts on such a variety and also a hollywood reporter of topics.  Whilst out I got some chocolate covered red licorice.  It's either going to be the worst thing ever or an interesting taste treat.

I am now tending to agree with Pogue about this art - it's really extraordinary (especially in person).  I also really love the first cover, but since that wasn't really done as a book cover and the second was done in a different shape (thereby having to be centered in the middle of the jacket) this one is pleasing both art-wise and layout wise because being able to put both title and author in the sky and not having to compromise ANY of the art is great.  It's everything I wanted it to be.  I sent HS a photo of the building (black and white) and the only things I told him were the real colors of the DOT label, and that I wanted the boy holding an umbrella, a rainy sky, rain-slicked streets and the neon lit.  I'm just totally in love with it and can't take my eyes off  of it.
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 04:39:53 PM
Hooray for Hollywood
That screwy, ballyhooey Hollywood
Where any office boy or young mechanic
Can be a panic, with just a goodlooking pan
Where any barmaid can be a star maid
If she dances with or without a fan

Hooray for Hollywood
Where you're terrific, if you're even good
Where anyone at all from TV's Lassie
To Monroe's chassis is equally understood
Go out and try your luck, you might be Donald Duck
Hooray for Hollywood

Hooray for Hollywood
That phoney, super coney Hollywood
They come from Chillicothes and Padukahs
With their bazookas to get their names up in lights
All armed with photos from local rotos
With their hair in ribbons and legs in tights

Hooray for Hollywood
You may be homely in your neighborhood
But if you think that you can an actor
See Mr. Factor, he'd make a monkey look good
With a half an hour, you'll look like Tyrone Power
Hooray for Hollywood
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 04:43:36 PM
Oh, and picked up a few new DVDs today, including season one of Curb Your Enthusiasm, Judy Holliday in It Could Happen To You, two strange Japanese Yakuza movies, Pale Flower, and Blackmail is My Life.  I've really enjoyed all these strange Japanese b-films from the sixties, so I took a chance on them.  No one in the world was making more outre and weird films than these Japanese b-film makers in that decade.  They are, in fact, sublimely weird.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 10, 2004, 04:44:00 PM
Robin & Jane, here's another thing I've noticed about male stars of yesterday...and for that matter, the female stars.  They were adults!  The men were men, not little boys, the women had class and grace; they all had a certain maturity that so many of today's stars seem to eschew.  I mean when Cary Grant or Gary Cooper were in their twenties and early thirties...it didn't seem like you were waiting for the them to grow up.   They had savoire faire, knew how to carry themselves, conduct themselves; they had a sense of personal dignity and responsibility and composure that radiated from them.  They seemed like fully developed, mature, grown-up people.  It may be why so many of them could remain major stars for 25-30 years.  They didn't act like adolescents like so many of the stars in their twenties and thirties  (and sadly, even in their forties) do today...

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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 04:46:47 PM
I have been reviewing all of Bruce's column from the beginning and came across this. I was wondering where does this stand at the moment?

One interesting thing that happened on the Vegas trip: Way back in 1993, when I started producing albums at Varese Sarabande, I'd written a film script. Said film script almost got made (a very low budget affair it was), but for reasons I don't really recall, it fell through. I then became too busy to even think about said script and I put it on the shelf. I read it recently, and thought it quite bad overall, but thought it had a good deal of potential, thought it a really good idea, and thought what did work worked well and was pretty funny. But not as a film - as a musical. I discussed this with my friend David Wechter, who was with me in Vegas. David and I have written many things together (including the original script for the hit film, The Faculty) and I told him about this idea and he loved it. I'd already written a couple of songs, just to see how they'd fit, and they'd come out pretty well. So, we've decided to write the damn thing. And to put the cherry on top, I'd been approached by someone to do a show sometime towards summer, and I do think it will end up being our brand-spanking new musical comedy. When we start in ernest (next week), I will take you through the process as we go through the process. However, what I'd like to know is why we're starting in ernest? Why not start in Frank or Tom? I'm very excited about this brand-spanking new musical comedy
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 10, 2004, 04:49:23 PM
BK, I also like the effect of the neon reflected in what I guess is a rain-slicked dark street.  Gee, just imagine what sort of cover he might give you, if you ever write a noir mystery.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 04:54:36 PM
DR S. Woody: That's Dooley Wilson who sang "As Time Goes By." Paul Dooley is another actor entirely (BREAKING AWAY).

I was very excited to have such a sparkling men's competition. The programs were all interesting and different. Loved, loved Ryan Bradley's energy and verve on his "Southern medley" but his jumps were the shakiest and he popped more things than the others. Even with the occasional mistake from some of them, however, the programs really flowed.

BIG BUT: No quads. These programs would have been of world calibre at the 1998 Olympics, but none of them can compete on the world level without a quad if they want to stand on the podium.

Now, I'm not a person who LIKES quads. They're too big and booming and disruptive to the lyricism of skating, but if we must have them for the men, then our men need to be able to do them. Three or four top men elsewhere in the world can do them with ease.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 04:55:48 PM
Are you sure it melted, and didn't disolve?  The two things look a lot alike sometimes.

I've always selected the term under the concept that if the ice disappears while there is liquid in a glass, it dissolves, and when the liquid is gone and only ice remains, at first, then it melts as it returns to liquid form.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 04:58:17 PM
I have to disagree with you.  While I never thought of him as handsome, I don’t think of him as ugly.  Surprisingly, if you look at pictures from his early stage work he was rather nice looking.  Now Edward G was ugly.

You may be even more surprised to learn that the young Bogey was considered to be a "pretty boy" by studio moguls and it kept him from getting better parts for quite a while in the 30s.
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Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 04:58:53 PM
Am I the only one who cares the NEW option keeps disappearing?  

I would certainly care, but, fortunately, it's not disapperaing for me!

BK - Chocolate covered red licorice???  Sounds rather icky to me.

Loving the cover art.  Schmidt does it again!
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 10, 2004, 04:59:12 PM
OH!!! OH!!!! OH!!!

DR SWW - You're just two posts away from your voice dropping, your stomach getting flabby and your hair turning gray!!!!

What a cause for celebration, huh?

:D

Ooohhhh... And I guess I'm just a few posts away from own personal ascension.. AND it's a Trading Spaces night too!
I'm already a bass (hence the jokes about my singing sounding like Jabba the Hutt), I'm 50, and I'm a Bear.  Sounds to me that by changing to a Senior Member nothing really is going to change.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 05:00:58 PM
Re:  Wicked and Norbert.    However, my comment after listening to Norbert on "Dancing through Life" is that my friend Brooks Ashmanskas should sue him for vocal style infringement.  I mean, it was one thing in Last 5 Years, as JRB apparently had Brooks' voice in mind when writing that score, but this is ridiculous.


Just for the sake of argument, has your friend Brooks copyrighted his "style"?  Many singers sing similarly.

Having never heard of Mr. Ashmanskas, but having ample access to recordings by Mr. Butz, perhaps it's just wishing better luck for your friend that makes you feel that way?

What exposure did JRB have to your friend that makes you believe he had that voice in mind?  And why would he not have hired your friend if it's your friend's voice he wanted?
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Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 05:01:02 PM
DR Dan, gave I HAD A BALL another listen, and my reaction was identical to my reaction in the theater 40 years ago: nothing noteworthy about the score, no hidden gems I could hear, and not one song that I wanted to hear again after it finished playing. And Karen Morrow's voice veers flat a couple of times in the song "I Had a Ball." I know the record these albums right after they've opened when everyopne's exhausted, but ouch! Sounds like her voice was a bit out of control throughout that song.
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 10, 2004, 05:01:18 PM
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 10, 2004, 05:03:25 PM
Having never heard of Mr. Ashmanskas, but having ample access to recordings by Mr. Butz, perhaps it's just wishing better luck for your friend that makes you feel that way?

What exposure did JRB have to your friend that makes you believe he had that voice in mind?  And why would he not have hired your friend if it's your friend's voice he wanted?
Ashmanskas is on (and was in) Brown's Songs for a New World.  Predates Last 5 Years by a bit.  (By more than 5, as a matter of fact.)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 05:08:13 PM
We're just three hours away from the women's figure skating finals, plus tape delay of the pairs.  

I cheated and looked up the results of the pairs from last night.  Wow!  What a thrill!  What I thought should have happened after the short program (proper ranking of the best short programs instead of the pairs being "propped up") seems to have happened after the long program.  The team with the best short program won the whole competition, although they were not in the lead going in.  And the overrated top pair managed to hang onto third.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 05:10:40 PM
Something that bugs me:

Prior to the last Olympics, it came to my attention that one of the top ice dancing pairs is ineligible to participate in the Olympics for the U.S. because one of the skaters isn't a U.S. citizen.  

Now I learn that is still the case, plus I think the current ice dancing champion team also has an Olympics-ineligible member -- and the commentators make it sound like it's an immigration/state department holdup based on lengthy citizenship requirements, or something like that.  They can compete for the U.S. everywhere but in the Olympics, so far.

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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 05:12:09 PM
Ashmanskas is on (and was in) Brown's Songs for a New World.  Predates Last 5 Years by a bit.  (By more than 5, as a matter of fact.)

That answers that element of my ignorance of Mr. Ashmanskas.  
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 05:13:32 PM
Mr. Wechter got busy, stayed busy, and we've never progressed past the first fifty pages of what was a pretty funny script.  Some good songs, too.  I, of course, went off and wrote some books.

Checking out my new DVDs:  Two for the Road - sadly, not enhanced for widescreen TVs, but it looks okay and is at least on a par with the long-out-of-print laserdisc.  I really like this movie a lot.  How To Steal a Million - why this one's enhanced and Road isn't is anyone's guess, but this is a spectacular transfer.  I've never seen the film but so far I'm enjoying it.  I mean, Hepburn (Audrey), O'Toole, Charles Boyer, William Wyler, Harry Kurnitz and John(ny) Williams - even if it's terrible HOW terrible can it be?  It looks luscious, what with Alexander Trauner, Charles Lang and Givenchy.

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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 05:15:50 PM
And Hugh Griffith, BK!  Don't forget the delightfully zany Hugh Griffith!
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 05:17:16 PM
Yes, and he's wonderful as always.  And Williams' score is a total delight.
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Post by: Laura II on January 10, 2004, 05:17:43 PM
DR SWW: May I call you Uncle Woody? I feel as if you have almost adopted me because you said that. You put a huge smile on my face! Thank you SO very much for taking the time to write all of that about Casablanca and to even suggest follow-up films. I will be asking my friends if they'd like to do a movie night now, and even if that doesn't work out, I will watch them on my own!
(Oh, thanks to DR Matt H for clarifying which actor is which re. the "As Time Goes By" performer. :))
 
DRs Jed and BK: I have had chocolate covered cherry twizzlers before. They were pretty good, just not my junk food of choice.
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 05:18:12 PM
Eye witness report, DR's... I went over to bk's to look at the cover art. It is indeed grand. Lovely, very atmospheric, something slightly mysterious about it. In the present, yet in memory. And that sky is to die for.
It's really interesting to compare the three covers and witness Benjamin grow (physically and emotionally) - and see the colors shift from primary to autumnal.
After the viewing, as  we went for lunch and a very long walk in this incredibly glorious weather, the image of the painting kept coming back to me. Very evocative.
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 05:20:53 PM
Forgot to mention that during the long walk I bought ONE, TWO, THREE, which I haven't seen in years and am really looking forward to revisiting.
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Post by: Laura II on January 10, 2004, 05:20:58 PM
DR Panni, I would've liked to take a walk tonight, but it is 17 degrees out!
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Post by: William E. Lurie on January 10, 2004, 05:21:10 PM
Arnold---
I've been off-line since your question.  E-mail Michael@allmusicservices.com and ask for the latest list and to be added to his e-maillist for all future listings.  There are some really good bargins and some rare titles you won't find elsewhere.  You can mention my name if you want.
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 05:30:03 PM
Robin & Jane, here's another thing I've noticed about male stars of yesterday...and for that matter, the female stars.  They were adults!  The men were men, not little boys, the women had class and grace;

Oh how totally I agree with that! Furthermore, as a writer, it's difficult to try to do scripts about anyone over 40. "Who cares?" is the prevailing attitude at the Networks and studios.
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 05:31:52 PM
DR Panni, I would've liked to take a walk tonight, but it is 17 degrees out!

As I said earlier today, it good to be in Kaliforneea.
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Post by: Jason on January 10, 2004, 05:32:17 PM
Mr. Brooks Ashmankas is currently playing Mr. Goldstone and Pastey in the Broadway revival of GYPSY. I love his work, and you may tell him so if you so choose, JMK--but I'll be honest, I hear a few similarities between their voices, but I can definitely tell who's who.

I got two loverly plants at the supermarket. They were cheap, but they are quite nice...just the right size for where I needed a little greenery.

I'm still in the process of cleaning. I just got rid of two huge eyesores that I've been putting off throwing out for over a year now. Now if I could just bite the bullet and throw out another year's worth of junk, I'd be in good shape!

BK: the art is fantastic. I think it's the best of the three. Mr. Schmidt wouldn't remember me (we met at a three-day musical theatre convention in Oklahoma City three years ago), but please let him know that we all think it's just lovely. Did anyone notice how many times I used the word 'three' in this paragraph??
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Post by: Jason on January 10, 2004, 05:36:30 PM
Jose: I was already looking forward to your visit...now I really can't wait! If you can remember it, would you mind bringing that Trading Spaces video up with you, too? (Geez, I'm being awfully needy--sorry.)

Speaking of Trading Spaces...who are the designers tonight? And the carpenter? Is it a new episode? I need my Trading Spaces!!! God, how I wish I could afford cable!
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 05:41:16 PM
Okay why are people home on a Saturday night? And what do you do on a Saturday night alone?
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 05:41:53 PM
The reason I am home is that I am doing a project for Mr. Bruce Kimmel.
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 05:46:39 PM
Brooks Ashmanskas was also on the cast recording of Little Me that Bruce recorded. When I tried to post a link to his Bio page i realized it was missing so I will post the link a little later. But here is an out dated playbill bio.

Brooks Ashmanskas's Playbill Bio
BROOKS ASHMANSKAS Broadway: Little Me (Roundabout), Dream (Royale), How to Succeed... (Rodgers), On A Clear Day... (Encores!). Off-Broadway: Wise Guys (NYTW), Labor Day (MTC), Fit to Be Tied (Playwrights Horizons), Songs For a New World (WPA), London Suite (Union Square), It Changes Every Year (Malaparte), Tonight at 8:30 (Lincoln Center), Fair Fight (Naked Angels), The Holy Terror (Promenade). Regional: Rough Crossing, The Comedy of Errors (Hartford Stage), Bye Bye Birdie (Sacramento), Animal Crackers (Arena), Paper Moon the musical (Paper Mill), The Old Boy (Phoenix), Noises Off. Education: Bennington College, RADA, The Shakespeare Institute, Welsh College of Music and Drama. Thanks, Mom and Dad.
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 05:49:07 PM
Okay why are people home on a Saturday night? And what do you do on a Saturday night alone?

I guess because I work in a home-office and don't have the regular 9 to 5 routine, Saturday night for the most part doesn't seem much different from any other night. If I have a tight deadline, I work on Saturday night (and every other night). Otherwise, I do whatever I feel like doing - sometimes with other people, sometimes alone.
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 05:52:59 PM
It didn't take as along as I thought it would...

http://www.brucekimmel.com/ashmanskasbio.htm (http://www.brucekimmel.com/ashmanskasbio.htm)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 05:53:20 PM
Okay why are people home on a Saturday night? And what do you do on a Saturday night alone?

Where else should we be?

Alone?  Who's alone?  I've got my TV, my DVDs, my CDs, my LDs, my PC and this forum.

If worse came to worse, I'd pick up the phone and call someone.  But "alone" is not a problem for me.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 05:53:35 PM
DR Jason -  I will do my best to bring the "Trading Spaces" tape up, however, I can't seem to find it right now - ???  I'm soooo sorry... (I just wanted to warn you that I might be coming empty-handed in that respect.)  :( However, tonight's episode - the one that is on right now is very, very interesting - I may run out and get a blank tape so I can record the rebroadcast later.  It's that good/bad!

*And I think you can look up tonight's episode info on www.tlc.com - although, they may not post the updated episode guide until after tonight.

DR SWW - WOOF!
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 05:54:26 PM
People are home because this is a sparkling and safe place to be on a Saturday night, that must be it.

My pal Cary Mansfield at Varese put out two dynamite Best of Dot Records CDs.

I just sampled the chocolate covered red licorice (small bits, not vines) and it's not bad at all.  I love these posts.
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Post by: Emily on January 10, 2004, 05:55:34 PM
call me wacky...

But while Norb and Brooks might share some vocal similarities I could probably easily identify either of them (like DR Jason).  Is it possible that Norbert has a eensy weensy bit of gravel in his?  I think so at least...

But heck... I love 'em both.

I DID however pull a blank when I was flipping through the program at GYPSY during the big NY trip.  Picture me going...

"Ashmankas... Ashmankas... why is that name familiar?"

I glanced over the bio but didn't see SFANW (I think the house lights were going down)

Then right in the middle of the cast singing "Happy Birthday" to Louise I remembered.  

I think the people behind me were curious as to why I gasped.
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Post by: Emily on January 10, 2004, 05:57:08 PM
Oh and Andrea...

I doubt parts II and III will be coming out anytime in the next couple of weeks.

Some day maybe... right now? Maybe if I start drafting it on the metro... :)

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Post by: Emily on January 10, 2004, 05:59:43 PM
Oh and by the way... Brooks did not look anything like what I pictured him as from his voice on the cast album for SFANW.

Don't you hate it when that happens?

Just don't get me started on when I first saw a picture of Garrison Keillor... it scarred me for LIFE!
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 06:02:23 PM
I am well into January 2002 and so far there is at most a handful of postings for each day. Did most of them disappear when the there was a switch over to the new server?
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Post by: Danise on January 10, 2004, 06:04:07 PM
Good evening all.

I LOVE the artwork for the book!  Wish I could be that creative.

I didn't have much luck today.  

I could find anything for the wedding gift within my budget.  I'm all for giving a nice gift but there wasn't anything on the register under $50.00!   I think I’m just going to get a gift card for $25.00 and leave it at that.

I tried to make the book work on my PDA but couldn't.  Guess I'll just have to get used to scrolling from one side to the other.  It won’t convert to “tag” whatever that means.  

Burrrr it’s COLD here in Florida!  41 as I type this and we have a wind chill advisory.  It makes me feel really bad to think about what I thought I saw on the way home from the mall.  Now I only caught a glimpse out of the corner of my eye but as I passed a pasture, I saw a cow laying down and something trying to get up behind it.  I think it was a calf that had just been born.  Poor baby to be born on such a cold day and night like this.

I keep fighting with myself about going back and taking another look to see it that IS what I saw. If it was what I thought  I pray the person who owns the cow/calf will come and take them to a nice warm barn.   I don’t know what I could do about it even if it was but I want to  do something so badly.  

My dad was a real softie when it came to the animals.  I know your going to laugh but I remember a night like tonight when we moved the kitchen table to between the living room and  the kitchen, then we lined the kitchen floor thick with newspapers and brought the 2 cows & pony into the house to be warm.     My mom almost had a fit but she was pretty good about it.  She didn’t want them to be cold either.

She was pretty good about most things I or he brought home over the years.  I know I was pushing it the time I brought the rat home but she changed her tune from, “Get that nasty thing out of here” to “What are we going to feed it” pretty quick.

So far as the Special K “diet goes–it’s on the back of the cereal box.  I was watching a program earlier tonight about the low carb diets.  I don’t know how I got on that channel but anyway, I think I’m going to try the South Beach diet.  It sounded pretty easy to follow and healthy.  

I already went to the web site and liked what I read there.  I just  need to go find the book at Half.com or maybe E-bay.    
 
Where else should we be?

Alone?  Who's alone?  I've got my TV, my DVDs, my CDs, my LDs, my PC and this forum.

If worse came to worse, I'd pick up the phone and call someone.  But "alone" is not a problem for me.

I have to agree.  It's just my Mom (and she's already in bed), the dogs and me.  I've never been one for going out–especially at night.  I'd rather be home and comfortable.

I had a thought about OZ.  Here in the Northern hemisphere, the further North you go the colder it gets.  Does it do the same in OZ only the further South you go?
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 06:04:35 PM
The designers tonight were Doug and Rick and the carpenter was Ty.  As DRJose said, the designs were interesting!
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on January 10, 2004, 06:06:33 PM
Thanks again, friends, for the warm thoughts.  We've been trying to keep busy so as not to think.

Re skating: DR Sandra and I watched skating this afternoon -- we saw the tour of "Starlight Express." It was, uh, interesting.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 06:08:51 PM
For the first time in a couple of months, I'm grilling steaks on my balcony.

All for the lack of a grill pan, too!  I'm "into" Tyler Florence's indoor grilling techniques, but I lack the proper grill pan to do justice to N.Y. strips.  

Never fear:  A proper pan has been ordered.  When we are in rainy season, November through May, it's the rare Saturday when it's not raining here.  Today is such a rare day.

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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 06:18:33 PM
Here is an old trivia question anyone remember the answer???

What Tony-award winning Broadway performer (between the years 1970 and 1995) got her start by dubbing another actresses' singing voice in a film? Name the performer and the film. Bonus points if you can name the Broadway musical star who dubbed Jean Paul Belmondo's voice in the classic French film, That Man From Rio.
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Post by: Ann on January 10, 2004, 06:22:07 PM
Hello everyone from my parent's house in very snowy eburg.  I have  read the first half of today's notes, but my eyes are hurting so I'll take a break now.  
DRLaura, my deepest sympathies on your pet loss.  I came home yesterday to find my little Shy had died that morning.  My parents held him at the end, for which I am grateful.  Even though he was only a rodent, he was a precious pet to me, and I shall miss him greatly.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 06:22:14 PM
DR Danise I am still puzzled by the question you posted on the DVD site...grrrrrrrrrrr.  Someone MUST know the answer!
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 06:24:04 PM
From another column

What if Stephen Sondheim, at the time of A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum, had written Sweeney Todd instead? And it goes something like this (to the tune of Comedy Tonight):

Something with razors,
Something with meat pies,
Something for everyone
In Sweeney Todd tonight!

We've got Johanna,
We've got Judge Turpin,
Watch out! The blood will flow
In Sweeney Todd tonight!

Nothing that's cute,
Nothing that's sweet.
You'll see it's true
You are what you eat!

You'll find the story,
Gets pretty gory,
You'll find that nothing turns out right...
Company tomorrow
Sweeney Todd tonight!

People get shaved here,
No one gets saved here,
No one finds happiness
In Sweeney Todd tonight!

Old Mrs. Lovett,
Thinks nothing of it,
To bake a little priest
In Sweeney Todd tonight!

Todd gets revenge,
Turpin's the prize,
One thing's for certain,
Everyone dies...

No pretty sets here,
No safety nets here,
Nothing that's breezy and/or light...
Merrily tomorrow,
Sweeney Todd, Sweeney Todd, Sweeney Todd,
Sweeney Todd, Sweeney Todd...
Tonight!

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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 06:27:28 PM
Here is another One.

What If Frank Loesser had written Sweeney Todd? And it goes something like this (to the tune of Sit Down, You're Rockin' the Boat):

I dreamed last night that a customer named Turpin,
Came in the shop, for he spied my barber chair.
And as he sat, well, I sharpened up my razor,
For the Judge he had his jury right there!

And I said to the Judge, sit down,
Sit down, I'm slittin' your throat!
Said to the Judge, sit down,
Sit down, I'm slittin' your throat!
And my razor'll work such wonders,
And your blood will flow down your fancy coat!
Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down,
Sit down, I'm slittin' your throat!

And then I dreamed Mrs. Lovett made a meat pie,
And in this pie there were fingers, toes, and knees.
And people came and they ate up all the meat pies,
So we needed more ingredients to please...

And I said to the folks, sit down,
Sit down, I'm slittin' your throat!
Said to the folks, sit down,
Sit down, I'm slittin' your throat!
Just relax while I strop my razor,
Just a little nick and that's all she wrote!
Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down,
Sit down, I'm slittin' your throat!

And still I dreamed, this time of a beggar woman,
Who sung of muffs and a jig-jig in the hay.
And as she sung, well I realized, she's crazy,
How could I have known this was Judgment Day?

And I said to my wife, sit down,
Sit down, I'm slittin' your throat!
Said to my wife, sit down,
Sit down, I'm slittin' your throat!
And I suddenly felt the panic
Of a sinking man on a sinking boat
Sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down,
Sit down I'm slittin' my throat!
Sit down, I'm slittin' my throat!


If you want me to stop just tell me
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 06:29:23 PM
Okay Craig Brockman tried one too!

Ok Bruce, you asked for it.. you got it.. here goes... What IF Sondheim used the music from "A Comedy Tonight" from instead of "The Ballad of Sweeney Todd"..
-----
Barber named Sweeney
Barber quite meanie
Barber hates everyone
A Murdering Tonight!

Barber with much rage
Barber with no cage
Barber set loose again
A Mudering Tonight!

Nothing but chills
Nothing like Mame
Sweeney's in london
Going insane

Old scores to settle
New lives to mettle
Meat Pies for everyone
A Murdering Tonight!

Barker and Lovett
they like to covet
They're not above it
A Murdering Tonight!

Turpin does die
pays for his crime
Lovett is next with
Sweeney behind

Jo' and her sailor
Look even paler
Confused like everybody else
Comedy Tomorrow

Murdering Tonight!

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Post by: DearReaderLaura on January 10, 2004, 06:29:55 PM
I'm sorry to hear about Shy, Ann. I remember your posting about him just recently and we were all hoping you'd post a photo.
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Post by: Danise on January 10, 2004, 06:30:06 PM
DR JRand53, I wish I could be of more help but that's all I remember.   It sure made an impression.  I didn't watch LIS until I was in my teens and it come on it afternoons when I came home from school because of it.

The same with Star Trek.  I remember the first show, "ManTrap" and sitting on my Moms lap covering my eyes every time she changed into the creature.  I didn't see Star Trek until my teens and the reruns either.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on January 10, 2004, 06:31:00 PM
Oh, and re the topic of the day: I don't believe I've ever seen either a Bogart or Bacall film. Or a Gregory Peck.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 06:31:27 PM
The Museum of the City of New York is at 1220 5th Av between 103rd and 104th Streets.  

The suggested donation for individuals now is $7.  Here is a link to the site, check out the theatre collection.  My favorite exhibition is Broadway! The History of American Theater

http://www.mcny.org/visit.htm#directions (http://www.mcny.org/visit.htm#directions)
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 06:32:18 PM
Robin & Jane, here's another thing I've noticed about male stars of yesterday...and for that matter, the female stars.  They were adults!  The men were men, not little boys, the women had class and grace; they all had a certain maturity that so many of today's stars seem to eschew.  I mean when Cary Grant or Gary Cooper were in their twenties and early thirties...it didn't seem like you were waiting for the them to grow up.   They had savoire faire, knew how to carry themselves, conduct themselves; they had a sense of personal dignity and responsibility and composure that radiated from them.  They seemed like fully developed, mature, grown-up people.  It may be why so many of them could remain major stars for 25-30 years.  They didn't act like adolescents like so many of the stars in their twenties and thirties  (and sadly, even in their forties) do today...



Very true!
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 06:36:19 PM
You may be even more surprised to learn that the young Bogey was considered to be a "pretty boy" by studio moguls and it kept him from getting better parts for quite a while in the 30s.

Amazing isn’t it?  However I was just expressing my opinion of his looks.  
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 06:39:29 PM
Well, as I sit here on the verge of attaining HHW God status, I think it would be a good time to reflect on the various milestones that have led me up up to this point.


Do any of you DRs remember this one from October 24, 2003 at 9:40:53 PM?  My very first post here on this new board:

I'm here, I'm finally here!

I'm sorry for being so errant and truant the past couple of days... CAMELOT rehearsals are going very well, but after eight hours of rehearsals, two hours of total commuting time, plus a couple of hours of post-rehearsal work (can you say, "orchestra parts"?)... And I still have a trace of jet lag in my system... In other words, I've been tired. I was hoping that I'd be back in the swing of things by this week - the second week of rehearsal - but my body is still adjusting.

I know.. Excuses, excuses....

-I also can't seem to find a small enough picture to post here...

Well... I do have some busy-work to take care of tonight... I hope to check back later tonight and catch up on all the posting. And I have two more days of rehearsal to go this "week"... And I actually think I may have to take the Metro into DC this weekend due to the protest tomorrow, and the Marine Corps Marathon on Sunday...

As for the weekly media check: Nada, zip, zero, zilch, goose-egg, 0.



Or this wonderful piece of prose from November 30, 2003, 3:01:13 AM:

Well... I guess I'll have to The Exorcist a mature, grown up chance/viewing. I'm pretty sure I'd be laughing at a lot of it - especially the low-techiness of the effects. We'll see...

Ah, Jr. Member status... very fond memories.  And I had learned to italicize.


Of course, like those who came before me, becoming a Full Member will always hold a special place in my heart.  Remember 3:19:28 AM on December 09, 2003?  Just in case you don't, here's a reminder of that very special occasion:

Oooohhh, I'm a Full Member now!

That statement is fraught with innuendo.

-I shed my Newbie status with those words.


-Ah, the errors of my youth - I was already no longer a Newbie by that post and time.


Oh, and then there was the penultimate milestone: Sr. Member.  December 23, 2003 at 1:21:03 PM will forever be etched in my memory.

YES! YES!! YES!!!

*Oh, a When Harry Met Sally reference...
-And what's this "stuff" about a stage version being produced in London with Luke Perry?

-Glad to hear that the cookies are going over so well. Truly one of my favorite recipes. I have another variation I try every now and then, and I'll see about sending you a batch of those ones too sometime.

Oh, so since I'm a "Sr. Member" now does this mean I can sit at the Big Table? Or does this just mean I get my 10% discount at Gelson's?



So, as I position my cursor over the Post button, I can already feel the change coming over me.  All the strain, sweat, tears, laughter, and cravings for chocolate, popcorn, potato chips, pistachio nuts, bridge mix, pancakes and licorice... All of them, and all of you have made this journey worth the eye-strain, the late nights, the calloused finger-tips, the sciatica flare-ups, the lousy dial-up connections, and all the innuendo.

In the esteemed words that were first passed onto me from our esteemed, svelte, guapo and omniscient BK-

"What is it, fish?"

And, finally, to borrow a phrase from a film classic-

"I'm ready for my close up..."
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 06:41:11 PM
an amusing story from BK

 I received a nice surprise in the mail, another residual check from The Faculty - some kind of showing in Spain. This check was for $0.01. It was originally for $0.02, but I have to split it with my writing partner, David Wechter.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 06:42:23 PM
So... Now... I will position my finger over my touch pad, gently manuever the cursor over the Post button, close my eyes... then apply pressure to the left button until I hear that click...

And when I open my eyes, I know life will never be the same again.  I will never be the same again...

To the HHW gods who have treaded this path before...  See you soon!
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 06:42:39 PM

My dad was a real softie when it came to the animals.  I know your going to laugh but I remember a night like tonight when we moved the kitchen table to between the living room and  the kitchen, then we lined the kitchen floor thick with newspapers and brought the 2 cows & pony into the house to be warm.     My mom almost had a fit but she was pretty good about it.  She didn’t want them to be cold either.

My kind of people.  When asked, Keith and I tell people we don't have  horses because they would have to sleep in the house with us.  That goes for cows & sheep too.
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 06:45:25 PM
Oh, and re the topic of the day: I don't believe I've ever seen either a Bogart or Bacall film. Or a Gregory Peck.

Don;t be so proud of it. Go rent a movie! You should be embarrased to admit that.

Gregory Peck:  Gentlemen's Agreement, Spellbound, To Kill a Mockingbird, Cape Fear, Moby Dick, The Yearling, Duel In the Sun, Roman Holiday, Guns of Navarone!!!!

He has more classic films than someone like Tom Cruise will every have!
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 06:46:43 PM
Oh Ann I’m so sorry about Shy.   :'( What did he look like?
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 06:49:29 PM
Jed has the NEW option.  Is anyone else missing it? ???
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Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 06:50:37 PM
Welcome new HHW God, Jose!!!  Sorry if my suitcases are clogging up the entryway, but I'm still wandering around, taking in the glorious sights from up here. :D
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Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 06:54:34 PM
As long as Michael Shayne is giving us some of BK's classic What If's, I thought I'd repost one of my own from January 2002.  I reversed what BK had earlier done, instead asking "What if Stephen Sondheim wrote Guys and Dolls?"

(to the tune of "Pretty Women")
---
Sky and Nathan, fascinating
Playing craps while dancing
Sky and Nathan, are a wonder
Sky and Nathan

Sky seducing Sarah that
so-straight-laced lady
With some help from
Bacardi

Nathan Detroit, has a show girl
Fourteen years she sniffles
Will they marry? She's still coughing
Sky and Nathan, Sky and Nathan

Nicely and the others, a-
bout their souls don't care
But for the finale they're all there
They're there…yes…

Sky and Nathan, Sister Sarah
Getting souls saved, pay the marker
More song and dance, plus some romance
Such a happy ending!
Lying gamblers, find some answers
Sky and Nathan, sir, Sky and Nathan
Here's to Sky and Nathan!

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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 06:54:57 PM
Laura:

More Gregory Peck films

The Paradine Case, McArthur, The Omen, The Boys From Brazil, Marooned, I Walk the Line, Arabeque, How the West Was Won, On the Beach.

Now I have given you a great list of films to see and when you do you'll see films by Alfred Hitchcock, Elia Kazen, Billy Wilder, William Wyler, J. lee Thompson, Stanley Donen, John Huston, King Vidor and others. You'll get an education!!!
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Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 06:56:19 PM
And my other What If from 1/17/02... this time asking, "What if Stephen Sondheim wrote Fiddler on the Roof?"

(to the tune of "The Miller's Son")
---
Tzeitel married the tailor boy
Turned down Lazar and all of his poultry
And as if that's not bad enough,
They go dancing…meanwhile…

It's a stitch and some mending and they're singing all the day
While I dream of growing wealthy
I hock milk and cheese to all the customers who pass me by

It's a very short road from the girls who obey
To the stories about Fruma-Sarah
It's a very short road to the pogroms and such
And the cows that begin to go dry
In the meanwhile…

There are matches to make and more kids to be fed
And a lot in between in the meanwhile
And a Jew ought to celebrate what passes by

Now Hodel's married the rebel man
He's in jail clear off in Siberia
Oy, that Perchik, he was the one
To start dancing…meanwhile…

It's a girl and a student and they somehow fell in love
With no dreams of growing wealthy
He laughs at our customs, yet I like him and I can't think why

It's a very short time till he goes off to fight
And he leaves her at home all heartbroken
It's not much of a shock when she says that she's going to
Leave us to be by his side
In the meanwhile…

There are matches to make and more kids to be fed
And I pull my own cart 'cuz my horse he complains
Of a pain in his leg in the meanwhile
And a Jew ought to celebrate what passes by

And Chava married the Christian boy
Now she asks me to try and accept them
But I'd rather tear out my beard
And go dancing…meanwhile…

It's a step past the line and I must turn my back
Even though he may be wealthy
She pleads, but I simply must walk away and let her cry

It's a very short time till I'll lose the last two
My young ones Shprintze and Bielke
It's a very short day till you're stuck home with none
And your wife, she just sits there and cries
In the meanwhile…

There are matches to make and more kids to be fed
And my horse still complains of the pain in his leg
Yes, my life is quite rough
But I'll not have been dead when I die!
And a Jew, he should celebrate
Everything passing by.

And Tzeitel married the tailor boy…
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Post by: MBarnum on January 10, 2004, 06:58:05 PM
Oh, and picked up a few new DVDs today, including season one of Curb Your Enthusiasm, Judy Holliday in It Could Happen To You, two strange Japanese Yakuza movies, Pale Flower, and Blackmail is My Life.  I've really enjoyed all these strange Japanese b-films from the sixties, so I took a chance on them.  No one in the world was making more outre and weird films than these Japanese b-film makers in that decade.  They are, in fact, sublimely weird.

BK, have you seen MANJI yet? Both JRand53 and I give it two thumbs up! Very colorful and very unusual, in a VALLEY OF THE DOLLS sort of way!
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 06:58:54 PM
Thanks Jed for reposting them. They were not archived. I guess when they changed servers and redid the format a majority of the postings disappeared. I would have posted them in fairness but they were not there.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: MBarnum on January 10, 2004, 07:01:55 PM
Okay why are people home on a Saturday night? And what do you do on a Saturday night alone?

Hey, that sounds like a rather personal question to me!  :o
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 07:02:05 PM
Actually, Michael Shayne, they are still there, because that's where I found them! :)

January 17, 2002 notes (http://www.haineshisway.com/archives/00000072.html)
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Post by: Danise on January 10, 2004, 07:02:46 PM
All the the newest God--Humm a Newbie God?  

Oh Jane, I could tell you some animal stories.   When my Dad was alive we had all kinds.  

We used to go this animal auction on Friday nights and we would always come home with something.  

Like the goat.  My Mom and I were in the stands when they brought out this old Billy goat with horns that curled all the way around like a ram's.  The bidding started at about a dollar as I recall.  Mom and I laughed and laughed (hey that sounds like a BK line) about who would buy that old goat.

Well, after the auction, here comes my dad, leading the goat.  He felt sorry for it and we had five acres at the time.  We named him "Billy" (what other name is there for a goat?) and he lived out his life where no one bothered him and he was fed twice a day.

Or the ducks he bought.  When we brought them home, opened the cage they were in and  they flew away.  We never saw them again.  

My theory is that they were homing ducks and they flew back to the guy that sold them so he could take them someplace else and sell them again.  :D

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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 07:03:14 PM
Thank You for the Welcome, fellow HHW God, Jed!  That's FHHWG Jed for short.

That was actually kind of fun going back through all my posts.  And truly quite the plethora of various and sundried topics.

Thank You, Craig.

Thank You, Mark Bakalor.

Thank You, BK.

DR Jane - I sometimes "lose" the NEW option if I have not logged in - or if my log in time times out.  And sometimes just hitting "refresh" does not bring up the NEW option either.  Computers and Cookies, I guess - what can you do?  Are you using a PC or Mac?  IE or Netscape?  *I noticed on my brother's computer that I did not get the NEW option because: 1) He was on a cable-modem and always "on", and 2) He had his browser settings to always check for a new version of a page... So.. since it continually was updating, anything New was Old again.  -Or something like that.

DR Charles Pogue - RE: Stars of the past vs. today's "crop" - Very well said.  And true.

DR Laura - Sorry to hear about the loss of your pet.

DR Ann - Sorry to hear about the loss of your pet.

DR Danise - Sorry to hear about the loss of your pet.

And DRs Laura and Ann and Danise - Please know that I'm not trying to "laundry list" my condolences.  I just don't think I've passed them along yet.  My apologies for my tardiness.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 07:07:11 PM
Dear Reader Laura: I'm sorry, I just don't believe you.  Simple as that.  You are not one of our teens, so you would have to explain how you possibly could have missed a Bogart movie.  It is unthinkable that you would never have seen one frame of Casablanca.  Me no believe and me thinks you do this just to have us on.

I cannot believe the loveliness of these posts.  This is SOMETHING, especially on a Saturday.  As the kids say today, we are smoking.

Haven't seen Manji.  
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: MBarnum on January 10, 2004, 07:07:51 PM
Jane, I sometimes lose the "new" button when I am looking at HHW at work. I don't know why. It is annoying as that button comes in very handy!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 07:10:56 PM
Where's my prize?

I'm still waiting for my "cee-gar", BK!

 ;)
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 07:11:00 PM
Actually, Michael Shayne, they are still there, because that's where I found them! :)

January 17, 2002 notes (http://www.haineshisway.com/archives/00000072.html)

Interesting. I am only getting a maxium of 5 or 6 postings which I said was strange. Oh well.....Everyday a little death
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 07:12:23 PM
Actually, Michael Shayne, they are still there, because that's where I found them! :)

January 17, 2002 notes (http://www.haineshisway.com/archives/00000072.html)

I went back and this time they were there!!! Strange, Very Strange.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Danise on January 10, 2004, 07:12:28 PM
Thanks, Jose.  I know.  I sometimes get overwhelmed by so many topics going on at once.  I want to comment on them and they sometimes get away from me unless I go back.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: MBarnum on January 10, 2004, 07:12:43 PM
Haven't seen Manji.  

BK, I think you would very much enjoy Manji. It is about a pretty young bored housewife who takes some art classes and falls in love with the sexy female teacher, and they have an affair. The housewife's husband is rather perplexed by it all.

Lots of melodrama, and it comes off looking  very much like a Ross Hunter soap opera. Lot's of fun! And rather daring for a 1964 movie. I would consider it one of the funnest DVDs that I have purchased!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 07:13:46 PM
Jane, I sometimes lose the "new" button when I am looking at HHW at work. I don't know why. It is annoying as that button comes in very handy!

Oh, that was another thing I noticed too whenever I changed computers... Then I realized that "new" only applied to what I had not read on the particular computer I was on at the time.  Cookies, again.

-At least I think that's what the reason was/is.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 07:16:42 PM
WOW! Did I really pass DR MBarnum?!?!?

Sooo sorry... However, I still think you're a hottie! :D
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 07:17:09 PM
Yes, I enjoyed the MBARNUM-recommended MANJI.  I don't know why, I just do.

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%][move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]WELCOME TO NEW HHW GOD JOSE!
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And don't forget to visit the Museum of the City of New York - even though I was left OUT of your plethora of thanks....and short list of thanks I could deal with....but a plethora and still none for me.  Well things are frosty in HHW heaven is all I can say.

The wrath of the Gods inspires fear!  >:(

DR CHARLES POGUE I agree with your assessment of the "Golden Age" stars...and there are times that I am horrified to realize that I am older than James Stewart was when he did "The Philadelphia Story" or older than any of a number of stars who seemed so mature when I saw them in these marvelous films.

It used to be a goal to be an adult....now it seems to be a goal to be a teeny bopper for as long as possible.  I am also a bit put out by some DR's who think that we don't "get" RENT because of our age....LOL.  There is nothing new....it's all been done before.  And bad is bad....there is old bad and there is new bad.  And as I said in a post yesterday, nothing gets "older" faster than that which is NEW and NOW!!!

LOL....anyway....  ;D  Pretentious and boring is my HHW reputation, and I feel compelled to now and then live up to it!  8)
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 07:17:53 PM
Dear Reader Laura: I'm sorry, I just don't believe you.  Simple as that.  You are not one of our teens, so you would have to explain how you possibly could have missed a Bogart movie.  It is unthinkable that you would never have seen one frame of Casablanca.  Me no believe and me thinks you do this just to have us on.

I cannot believe the loveliness of these posts.  This is SOMETHING, especially on a Saturday.  As the kids say today, we are smoking.

Haven't seen Manji.  

Thank you Bruce for backing me up here. I can't believe that none of the Bogart films or Gregory Peck films have never been seen. (Lauren Bacall I could understand) People who post here are supposed to be entertainment enriched people.

I am sorry but it finally got to me and I had to say something.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 07:19:01 PM
Charles Pogue

Can you relate the circumstance about the Writes Guild happening that was mentioned earlier? I must have missed the story.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 07:22:22 PM
BK, I think you would very much enjoy Manji. It is about a pretty young bored housewife who takes some art classes and falls in love with the sexy female teacher, and they have an affair. The housewife's husband is rather perplexed by it all.

Lots of melodrama, and it comes off looking  very much like a Ross Hunter soap opera. Lot's of fun! And rather daring for a 1964 movie. I would consider it one of the funnest DVDs that I have purchased!

(http://www.haineshisway.com/community/attachments/manji.jpg)

Can you tell a little bit more about it? When was it released? What label?

Does it have to do with the Nazis?
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 07:22:38 PM
Oh, MANJI.  Yes, I have that DVD.  For some reason I thought you were talking of a Bollywood film.  Yes, Manji is very strange and amusing.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 07:24:52 PM
We've got fourteen count them fourteen GUESTS.  Welcome, guests.  Methinks one such guest might just be the crybaby who banned me from his DVD site.  Can't tell you why I think that, but think it I do - either him or someone who reports to him.  If so, welcome, and I hope you enjoy reading more as the days go by and I really take off the gloves.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 07:26:34 PM
MR BK just why would you think DRMBARNUM would be discussing a Bollywood film? ;)
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 07:29:07 PM


I had a thought about OZ.  Here in the Northern hemisphere, the further North you go the colder it gets.  Does it do the same in OZ only the further South you go?
Strangely enough yes! Of course in the Northern Hemisphere the higher you climb the colder it gets. In the Southern Hemisphere it gets warmer.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 07:29:13 PM
Because MBarnum IS Barnum and Bollywood.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Jrand73 on January 10, 2004, 07:31:07 PM
Very true, very true.  Since he discovered Nehaflix.com, their revenue has gone up 125%!!!

DRMICHAELSHAYNE....well I think Hal Linden dubbed Jean Paul in That Man from Rio....but I do not know the answer to the other part of your question.  
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Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 07:31:18 PM
It used to be a goal to be an adult....now it seems to be a goal to be a teeny bopper for as long as possible.  I am also a bit put out by some DR's who think that we don't "get" RENT because of our age....LOL.  There is nothing new....it's all been done before.  And bad is bad....there is old bad and there is new bad.  And as I said in a post yesterday, nothing gets "older" faster than that which is NEW and NOW!!!

Heck, I'm only 24 and I don't "get" RENT either. :D  But, I was never much of a teeny bopper, either.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 07:33:26 PM
Very true, very true.  Since he discovered Nehaflix.com, their revenue has gone up 125%!!!

DRMICHAELSHAYNE....well I think Hal Linden dubbed Jean Paul in That Man from Rio....but I do not know the answer to the other part of your question.  

Correct!!!!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 07:35:16 PM
If things go they way they have the past few nights we will definitly hit 19,000 posts today!!!!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Danise on January 10, 2004, 07:37:38 PM
Humm Tom, I would have thought it would get colder the further South you would go because of Antarctica.  


It's also summer in Oz when it's winter here and vice versa, right?  

When I win my millions, I'm moving to OZ from Sept to March and back to the States from April to August.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 07:39:35 PM
Jose: Sorry I am late. Congratulations. The heavens seem to be filling with Gods & Monsters.
DR Jed. So you are not a"Rent Boy" then? (maybe that's a UK expression - check the Pet Shop Boys - I know td will understand)
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 07:47:15 PM
Danise: Seriously. It is the distance from the equator that determines the warmth or otherwise. I was joking about the height. It does get colder the further you are  above sea level. The seasons are indeed reversed. You could opt for the tropics - the seasons are "wet" and "dry". It is always warm. Not for me though as my favourite seasons are Spring and Autumn. As some other Dear Readers have discussed long ago, the truly interesting fact is that of the water going down a plug hole - clockwise or anticlockwise and what happens at the equator.
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Post by: Ann on January 10, 2004, 07:50:38 PM
Heck, I'm only 24 and I don't "get" RENT either. :D  But, I was never much of a teeny bopper, either.

You'd better not be implying that I was! :D

Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Danise on January 10, 2004, 07:57:23 PM
Danise: Seriously. It is the distance from the equator that determines the warmth or otherwise. I was joking about the height. It does get colder the further you are  above sea level. The seasons are indeed reversed. You could opt for the tropics - the seasons are "wet" and "dry". It is always warm. Not for me though as my favourite seasons are Spring and Autumn. As some other Dear Readers have discussed long ago, the truly interesting fact is that of the water going down a plug hole - clockwise or anticlockwise and what happens at the equator.

I know.  I'm just pulling your leg.  But I didn't know about the Clockwise/anti clockwise.  I'd like to see that!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Danise on January 10, 2004, 08:04:53 PM
37 degrees here folks.  Wind chill puts us at 32.  Burrrrr!  Think warm thoughts!
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 08:06:07 PM
Just watched a screener of PIECES OF APRIL.  I enjoyed the film. Small and quirky. Wonderful performance by Patricia Clarkson, who is becoming one of my favorite actresses. She's bound to get an Oscar nom this year - either for this film or for THE STATION AGENT.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 08:06:32 PM
We're at 32 degrees here... warmest temp in over two weeks! :D
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 08:11:56 PM
Pancakes?  Am I thinking about pancakes?

How To Steal a Million: I'm an hour in and it's really quite flat - it's amazing that this kind of cast, writer, director and crew come up with such a withered souflee.  That said, it's gorgeous to look at, as is Miss Hepburn and Mr. O'Toole.  I just love glossy pix like this so even though it's not good, I watch on.

Pancakes?  Am I thinking about pancakes?  Let's all meet at Du-Par's.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Danise on January 10, 2004, 08:12:26 PM
But Jed,  I'm in Central Florida, not the great white north!  

Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 08:14:08 PM
Pancakes?  Am I thinking about pancakes?

How To Steal a Million: I'm an hour in and it's really quite flat - it's amazing that this kind of cast, writer, director and crew come up with such a withered souflee.  That said, it's gorgeous to look at, as is Miss Hepburn and Mr. O'Toole.  I just love glossy pix like this so even though it's not good, I watch on.

Pancakes?  Am I thinking about pancakes?  Let's all meet at Du-Par's.

Is this the film where the ads say you can give away the ending but not the beginning? Or am I thinking of another film?
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 08:14:20 PM
Pancakes usually sound good to me, but I'll have to pass at the moment.  Just had an oh-so-gourmet dinner of Mac'n'Cheese with Spam chunks. :D
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Charles Pogue on January 10, 2004, 08:15:45 PM
The Writers Guild deal was very simply our President Victoria Riskin (daughter of actress Fay Wray and writer Robert Riskin) had not done enough work in the guild to be eligible to be president.  This was not really new news, the question of her eligibility was being debated and discussed even before the last election.  She supposedly got a last-minute deal that made her eligible, but many thought it a "fake" deal given to her by a friend just to stave off ineligibility.  But whether it was a sweetheart deal or a legitimate deal, she apparently did not do the work on it to make her eligible.  A member of the guild challenged her eligibility, an idependent investigator was brought in, he found determined at the time of the election, she was indeed, by the rules and constitution of the guild, ineligible to run for office.  So the VP Charles Holland has stepped into the presidency and is the guy who I thought should have run for president in the last election anyway.  The sad thing is that immediately after Ms. Riskin resigned, saying she wanted to do what was best for the guild, in the next breath she blamed the guild staff for her troubles.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Danise on January 10, 2004, 08:16:03 PM
If my Michael Crawford rose dies because of this cold weather, I'm gonna be VERY, VERY upset.  

I'll take pancakes if I can have a cup of coco with them.

Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 08:17:21 PM
Since West Coasters are just now watching the skating, I will refrain from posting information about the winner, but I will say that neither the pair skaters nor most of the ladies distinguished themselves tonight. There were some fine moments with the ladies, but there were too many mistakes not made on especially difficult moves. Only one skater truly skated a clean, inspired program. The others ranged from fair to good. The pairs couples were very disappointing. We are truly in the second or third tier of world class when it comes to pair skating.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 08:19:07 PM
Michael Shayne: I believe you are thinking of the film Gambit, with Michael Caine and Shirley MacLaine.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Jason on January 10, 2004, 08:19:15 PM
People who post here are supposed to be entertainment enriched people.

Wow. I didn't know anyone who posted here was supposed to be anything but a human being. Perhaps I should go back and read the rules of posting at Haines His Way...? And by the way, I've never seen a Bogart movie, either...including CASABLANCA...and I'd like to think that I'm "entertainment enriched."
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 08:22:11 PM
Pancakes?  Am I thinking about pancakes?

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Pancakes?  Am I thinking about pancakes?  Let's all meet at Du-Par's.

I couldn't wait so I had some waffles instead.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 08:22:12 PM
Human beings?  We don't need no stinking human beings.  (That line is a paraphrase from a Bogart film).

PANCAKES!  DU-PAR'S.  Do we have no adventurous Hainsies/Kimlets?
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Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 08:23:15 PM
I agree, bk, on HOW TO STEAL A MILLION. With great talents like William Wyler, Hepburn and O'Toole, it should have been great. It seemed leaden to me when I saw it in the theater in 1966. But I forgot all about it when TWO FOR THE ROAD came out, one of my favorite movies of all time. I watch my laserdisc of this film quite often, and it was way, way ahead of its time. Didn't do as well at the box-office as HOW TO STEAL A MILLION and got virtually no recognition, not even for that brilliant Mancini score or the great performances. Of course, Audrey's box-office smash the same year WAIT UNTIL DARK provided her Oscar nomination in 1967, but I've always wondered if they had waited a few months and released DARK in 1968, would Audrey have been nominated for TWO FOR THE ROAD in 1967?
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 08:25:45 PM
Well, Jason, it depends what you mean by "entertainment enriched".  If you are a film lover, it is inconceivable that you haven't wanted to see Casablanca.  It's just one of those films - perfect in every way.  Some of the greatest dialogue ever written coupled with expert direction and performances.  Even people who have just a passing interest in movies seem to have seen it, which is why it's so surprising that several people here haven't.  It's not a criticism.  I would suggest, humbly, that you rent it, buy it, see it.
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 08:26:08 PM
Wow. I didn't anyone who posted here had to be anything but a human being. Perhaps I should go back and read the rules of posting at Haines His Way...? And by the way, I've never seen a Bogart movie, either...including CASABLANCA...and I'd like to think that I'm "entertainment enriched."

But they are a lot of great films that were made before 1980. I just think that one needs to be more rounded. And not to have seen a Humphrey Bogart film is not to have seen some of the great movies with some of the great film stars directed by the greatest film directors and written by some of the greatest film writers.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 08:27:39 PM
Didn't Two for the Road do okay?  I know it got good notices.  It was really well-directed by Mr. Stanley Donen.  I saw it eight times, that's how much I liked it (I mean eight times in two weeks).
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Post by: Danise on January 10, 2004, 08:29:35 PM
Well folks, I'm adjourning  to my cave to hibernate.  Unless things warm up, I may just stay there until Spring.  I’ll just take an extended leave of absence from work.  

I enjoyed the ice skating.  I didn’t want to say anything either but I will say one skated to Loreena McKennitt.  Yay!  And I loved that one costume–the white one.  You’ll see what I mean.

Goodnight or see ya in the Spring!

 
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Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 08:31:07 PM
And not having seen a Bogart film makes something like THE CHEAP DETECTIVE or PLAY IT AGAIN SAM also meaningless movies where you're going to miss a majority of the jokes, particularly the former film which parodies many Bogart classics.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 08:34:09 PM
No, bk, I'm looking at the box-office list for 1967, and it was not one of the top 20 films. Number 20 was UP THE DOWN STAIRCASE (which I loved, BTW) with $5 million.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 08:34:51 PM
Pancakes? Drats!  Maybe that's what I should have had just now instead of the quite yummilicious Steak and Cheese sub from Mary Angela's - great food (pizza, subs, pasta), great prices, open late, and they deliver!  -Although, I went ahead and drove there tonight - just a mile away - since it truly is not a comfortable walking temperature right now outside.  Brr...

Oh, and their subs only come in an 8" size.  Heck, I'll take what I can get.  ;)

And I made sure and put a few cans of Diet Cherry Coke in the fridge earlier too!

It was a very good sub, and well worth the trip out into the winter night.  *BUT I did have a little scare... When I turned the key in the ignition the first time nothing happened...  I tried again... Nothing...  But then I noticed that all the lights were working and that my clock was still indicating the correct time.  So, after a couple of moments, I tried again... WHEW!  Big sigh of relief.  Must be the cold.

But now pancakes... Hmmm.. Maybe tomorrow morning... But will I have them before my massage?  Or after my massage?  -Yeah!  A massage!  Hmm... Probably afterwards...

Oh, and DR Jason - the VCR is currently running...  -Oh, and the husbands are cute in this one too.
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Post by: Jane on January 10, 2004, 08:36:48 PM
Danise keep the stories coming, they are gems.

JoseSPiano thank you.  I will try that tomorrow and see if it makes a difference.

MBarnum, glad I’m not the only one.  It only happened to me once and that was when we first changed over.

Goodnight
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Post by: Jason on January 10, 2004, 08:38:15 PM
Michael: I know you don't mean to sound condescending (or perhaps you do...I'm not sure), but I assure you that I am quite familiar with films that were made before 1980, and I am familiar with great performances, great writing, great directing and great cinematography. To be quite honest, I've had no great desire to see CASABLANCA, so I've never watched it. I've also never been able to sit through GONE WITH THE WIND. I have nothing against either film, I've just not had a great urge to go out and rent them. CASABLANCA is on my NetFlix list, and when it arrives, I will watch it, but I must say, to imply that a person is not well-rounded because they haven't seen a certain movie (for whatever reason) is somewhat off-putting. Not everyone on this board is an avid film buff. I, for example, know more about theatre than I do film, and I have learned and continue to learn about film through the posts at HHW. The fact that someone has never seen a certain film or certain actor, however, does not make them an ignoramus. As I said before, I'm sure you didn't mean it as an off-putting statement, but it came off that way.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 08:46:09 PM
DR Jason, when CASABLANCA comes (and I hope it's the newest 2-disc set) watch the film once for your own edification, and then a second time, tune in Roger Ebert's disection of the film in the running commentary which makes quite a few wonderful points about why CASABLANCA is considered one of the greats in all moviedom.
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Post by: Jason on January 10, 2004, 08:48:54 PM
Will do, Matt. It will only be one disc (they only send one disc at a time), but I assure you that in a few months, I will be better rounded. ;)
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Post by: MBarnum on January 10, 2004, 08:50:03 PM
Very true, very true.  Since he discovered Nehaflix.com, their revenue has gone up 125%!!!
 

LOL! And my Visa company has never been happier!
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 08:50:21 PM
Michael: I know you don't mean to sound condescending (or perhaps you do...I'm not sure), but I assure you that I am quite familiar with films that were made before 1980, and I am familiar with great performances, great writing, great directing and great cinematography. To be quite honest, I've had no great desire to see CASABLANCA, so I've never watched it. I've also never been able to sit through GONE WITH THE WIND. I have nothing against either film, I've just not had a great urge to go out and rent them. CASABLANCA is on my NetFlix list, and when it arrives, I will watch it, but I must say, to imply that a person is not well-rounded because they haven't seen a certain movie (for whatever reason) is somewhat off-putting. Not everyone on this board is an avid film buff. I, for example, know more about theatre than I do film, and I have learned and continue to learn about film through the posts at HHW. The fact that someone has never seen a certain film or certain actor, however, does not make them an ignoramus. As I said before, I'm sure you didn't mean it as an off-putting statement, but it came off that way.

It was not meant to be that way. But I just got the feeling that by announcing you never seen a Bogart film or Gregory Peck film (Who made films into the 1980's) it was like making it a badge of honor.

So many of this films are on the list of the greatest American films ever made.

It makes it like by not seeing a classic film one has never read Shakespeare or Mark Twain or an Arthur Miller play. Or heard music from Bach or Mozart.

It was just when I was your age I had seen these movies, I had read Shakespeare and I had listen to Bach. This is why I just find it hard to believe that one has never seen a Bogart film or a Peck film.

I hope you can see where I am coming from.
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 10, 2004, 08:53:50 PM
DRAT!  The milk has gone sour, so I can't make pancakes!  DRAT DRAT DRAT!

 :P
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 08:54:23 PM
Well, if one isn't well-rounded then one is well-squared and we can't have that.  I know that Shayne wasn't trying to be condescending, and I hope you know that I wasn't.  You're in for a treat.  And, please, don't judge films like Casablanca with Gone With the Wind - I'm one of the few, I think, who can't really get with Gone With the Wind, it just bores me to tears and has since I was a wee bairn.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 08:55:38 PM
And in a way, I'm sure we envy you for your first time with a film like that.  There are still classic films (like To Have and Have Not) that I hadn't seen, and it's always a thrill to catch up to one of them.  I hadn't seen several Lubitsch films and those were a real revelation.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 08:56:02 PM
Also, I don't believe we've ever had a Saturday with this many posts.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 08:57:22 PM
And you'd think someone named Pogue would want pancakes, but noooooooooo, there he sits in his mansion in the hills, counting his green envelopes and rewriting Hercules.
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 08:58:20 PM
108 postings away from 19,000
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 10, 2004, 08:59:39 PM
DR Jason: Please see my post to my neice, DR Laura II, for reasons why you should see Casablanca.
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Post by: MBarnum on January 10, 2004, 09:00:59 PM
Dr Michael Shayne, check out IMDB and Amazon.com for more detailed descriptions of MANJI.

According to the DVD insert the swastika-like character on the front of the DVD box is actually the Chinese (though this is a Japanese movie) character "Manji" which has something to do with Budda. So nope, no Nazis to be found in this film! Just four people who "slowly descend into a web of desire, deceit, blackmail, blood oathes and suicide pacts." LOL!
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 09:03:25 PM
Dr Michael Shayne, check out IMDB and Amazon.com for more detailed descriptions of MANJI.

According to the DVD insert the swastika-like character on the front of the DVD box is actually the Chinese (though this is a Japanese movie) character "Manji" which has something to do with Budda. So nope, no Nazis to be found in this film! Just four people who "slowly descend into a web of desire, deceit, blackmail, blood oathes and suicide pacts." LOL!

A comedy. Can't wait
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Post by: MBarnum on January 10, 2004, 09:05:43 PM
Jason, as I have admitted here before, I also have not seen CASABLANCA or THE MALTESE FALCON...or CITIZEN KANE. I do plan to watch all three someday, but for some reason I just never get around to it. A friend of mine has been trying to get me to watch CITIZEN KANE since we were in the 7th grade! And as I do consider myself a lover of movies (although some would suggest my choice of movies are...odd) I am actually ashamed to say that I have not seen those three movies listed above.

I have a friend who had never seen THE WIZARD OF OZ...and when he finally did see it, just recently, he hated it! I still don't speak to him! LOL!
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Post by: Michael on January 10, 2004, 09:06:58 PM

Dr Michael Shayne, check out IMDB and Amazon.com for more detailed descriptions of MANJI.

According to the DVD insert the swastika-like character on the front of the DVD box is actually the Chinese (though this is a Japanese movie) character "Manji" which has something to do with Budda. So nope, no Nazis to be found in this film! Just four people who "slowly descend into a web of desire, deceit, blackmail, blood oathes and suicide pacts." LOL!


The movie was made in 1964. Very daring. I think I will try and track it down. Thanks. I am glad you mentioned it.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 10, 2004, 09:07:06 PM
Well, it's getting past midnight, so I will retire from the boards, and let you late nighters add another 250 posts to the total. I'll spend many entertaining hours tomorrow morning perusing them. Good night.
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Post by: Jennifer on January 10, 2004, 09:10:05 PM
Hey everyone.  Much to comment on:

DR Emily: I remember seeing that speed skater from Oz. Knowing how seriously we take our speed skating here in Canada (well some people do), I was not amused. But it was hilarious how everyone else fell and the guy that was so far behind won.

BK: What is chocolate covered licorice and why haven't I heard of it? :(

Re: Tonight's episode of Trading Spaces

It was with Doug and Edward. Maybe some of you were talking about the earlier repeat episode (I just happened to catch the last minutes, it was the one where Doug did that neat brown patterned bedroom).

Tonight's episode was interesting. Doug did a kitchen which was mostly white (walls and cabinets) and blue ceiling.  The couple liked it (especially for the banquet by the bay window). I thought it was rather plain.

Edward did a blue and black bedroom with a Mardi Gras theme. Parts of it were elegant. But I found it too black. It was just okay.
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 09:11:34 PM
And you'd think someone named Pogue would want pancakes, but noooooooooo, there he sits in his mansion in the hills, counting his green envelopes and rewriting Hercules.
Gee, bk, if DR Pogue and the lovely missus came, I'd go for pancakes. I'm HUNGRY. I have Roy Orbison on PBS on in the bg. Great black and white concert. And not too much begging in between.
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Post by: Jennifer on January 10, 2004, 09:14:10 PM
Congrats newest God Jose! Wow, I cannot believe how many new Gods we've had lately.

DR Danise: Which is the south beach diet?  Is it low carb? I think you can find that book at the library.

DR Emily: I meant to ask you, when you saw WICKED what did you think of Taye? (was he an adequate replacement to you for your norbert?)
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 09:14:11 PM
I just looked over at the TV set. Orbison has Elvis Costello and Bruce Springsteen playing backup!
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 09:21:07 PM
just had a great dance to Orbison and Springsteen. Hot concert! Gotta dance again.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 10, 2004, 09:24:12 PM
Michael Shayne,  I do see where you're coming from.  Having actually taught a screenwriting course once, I was appalled by how many aspiring filmmakers had not seen certain iconic films.  I know how frustrating it is to work with executives in film who have no understanding  of the legacy or history of their business.  They should know things like CASABLANCA.  It's film 101. What's more, these young executives don't care that they don't know and don't think it matters if they don't know D.W. Griffith, Chaplin, Welles, Wilder, Wyler, Bogie, Coop, Gable, Harlow, etc..  I call it the arrogance of ignorance.  They're proud that they think film began with STAR WARS...now considered a venerable classic.

I know when I work in the theatre...if Williams or Miller or Ibsen or Chekov, The Lunts or Alfred Drake or Barrymores are invoked, those I am working will be familiar with them.  We will have a common lexicon and knowledge from which to work.  They will, of course, also usually know Casablanca.

I think anyone seriously pursuing a career in film  and/or theatre should be well-versed in a basic, well-rounded dramatic history of THEATRE (with a capital "T" which includes stage, film, and even some tV).  It behooves them to familiarize themselves with the linchpins and classic cornerstones of the trade they have chosen to follow.  I think accessibility is sometimes responsible for the indifference.  I know in my pre-video, DVD days, you set the alarm to see some classic movie at 3AM because you never knew when you might get the chance again, you read everything you could find out about this stuff.  I probably watched a dozen to twenty movies a week...pre-video, DVD.

I'd say not having seen Casablanca...which is arguably as perfect as a film gets...is a severe gap in anyone's cultural education that should be remedied as soon as possible...same can be said for not having seen Greg Peck in something like To Kill a Mockingbird or Hitchcock's Spellbound.

I think it's an even greater cultural setback in the education of someone embarking on a career in the performing arts, as classics like these will constantly be invoked as seminal artistic touchstones, even among the non-cognoscenti.

But even more, they should just be seen to be enjoyed as the amazing, moving entertainments they are.  One thing can be said for those who haven't seen them.  I'm envious of them, because they have such wonders yet to discover.

Oh...and, Jason, I'd give GONE WITH THE WIND another try.  

Of course, it may just be generational and Michael and I may just be un-with-it, old farts who don't know jack.  But  we damn well know movies, it seems.
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 09:24:46 PM
Just noticed that two of the backup chicks are Bonnie Raitt and kd lang... And there's Tom Waitts in the back! Gotta get this DVD.
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Post by: Jennifer on January 10, 2004, 09:27:44 PM
I would like to say something about criticizing posters for not having seen certain movies.  I actually found it slightly insulting for MS to say that a DR should be "embarrassed" for not having seen certain films.  I don't like that term.  I get what he (and BK) mean.  But I think there are better ways to make the point.  I like how DRs encouraged DR Laura II to see the movies in question, by giving her encouragement.  And now she wants to see those movies.

Not everyone here is a film buff, and I think that is fine. I don't particularly think that those who admitted to not having seen Casablanca for example, were trying to brag (especially knowing the reactions it would get on this board).

I think maybe I have been a bit guilty of this same thing in regards to theatre (when some dear posters have said they have not seen very much theatre).  But I like the idea of encouragement rather than judging people.

And DR MS, I don't mean to criticize you. I think your intentions were probably good.

And now I will go to bed and wake up tomorrow to another 300+ posts :)

Good night all.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 10, 2004, 09:35:49 PM
Mr. Pogue would love to come for pancakes,  but I am re-writing Hercules...due Monday...and besides, if I went out to the TV room where the missus is watching Trading Spaces and said Bruce and Panni want us to come eat pancakes, she'd know I wasn't working on Herc, but dawdling around here.  (By the by, she wanted to watch our screener of PIECES OF APRIL tonight...I'm voting for it and SEABISCUIT, the only two screeners I've gotten so far.  I'm a whore, I admit it.  Give me something free, I'll vote for you.)  You all just have to give us more notice on these pancake binges, preferably before we've eaten dinner and especially, if we have to drive over to the valley.

I too do believe I have embarrassing gaps in my cinematic education...I just can't think of any off the top of my head...I would say that I've sampled a bit of everything, but I'm probably weak in my silents (Ah! Top of my head just blew!  Never seen all of Modern Times or The Gold Rush) and probably my foreign films(don't think I've seen all of the Seventh Seal...). But at least I sort of know the ones I should see, but haven't and am embarrassed by it.  I know it's my failing...but somehow when you're laying around and you think Seventh Seal or The Vikings again, The Vikings is usually going to win.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 09:35:59 PM
It was just when I was your age I had seen these movies, I had read Shakespeare and I had listen to Bach. This is why I just find it hard to believe that one has never seen a Bogart film or a Peck film.

I hope you can see where I am coming from.

There are many different types of people here on HHW.  Different backgrounds.  Different professions.  Different nationalities.  Different experiences.  Different ages.  Different generations.

We are all bound to cringe when the phrase, "When I was your age..." comes up.  -Come on, you know you did. ;-)

I've read a lot of books.  I've seen a lot of plays.  I've seen a lot of musicals.  I've played for a lot of musicals.  I've played a lot of classical music.  I've played a lot of popular music.

However, I still have a list of books I want to read.  I have a list of movies I want to see.  I have a list of plays I'd like to see - and will most like just have to settle for reading.  I have a list of scores I would like to play through - and, in my dream of dreams, even conduct one day.

Among all these lists are some "classics", "near classics", and just plain ole "fun" titles.  Will I ever get to read, watch all of them?  No.  Will I ever get to play/conduct everything?  No.  Simply because those piles will continue to grow... and grow.

I readily admit there are some "classics" from all fields that I have not experienced.  And there are some I'm just not inclined to experience.  At least right now.  My inclinations may change over time.  They may not.  Does that make me less well-rounded?  I hope not.  I think not.

Do I think someone who has never seen something like Sweeney Todd is not culturally aware?  Do I think someone who has never been to the Met has been "deprived"?  Do I think someone who has not read "One Hundred Years of Solitude" in the original language is "culturally stupid"?  (My quotes, not yours.)  Do I look down on someone who can't tell the difference between the melodies of Faure and the lieder of Brahms?  Will I write off someone simply because they have not seen Casablanca?  Breakfast at Tiffany's?  The French Connection?  E.T.?  Out of Africa?  Chocolat?  The Return of the King?

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. And No.

The world is an ever-changing thing.  Culture is an ever-changing thing.  The educational system is an every-changing thing - for better or worse.

And as DR Sarah pointed out a couple of days ago, some of us have others things to deal with in our lives.  There is school.  There are friends.  There is family.

We see different things.   Go to different places.  Meet different people.  And spend our time differently.

Who knows?  Maybe DR Jason has seen the same amount of movies, listened to a similar amount of music, attended the same amount of plays and musical that you had when you were his age?  And after talking and meeting with Jason - and even from his posts here on HHW - I would say the amount of experiences is comparable.  However, it would be impossible for him to have experienced the exact same films, music and theatre that you had when your were his age.  It's just the age difference, the different generation.

A quick for instance - Have you seen all the plays and musicals that Jason has seen the past year in NYC?  Heck, even in the past two months?  And when was the last time you were at The Met?

We are all the sum of our parts, our experiences, our contacts, our geography... And that's what makes all of us different.

Finally, we all even write differently.  And sometimes the "wink in they eye" and the "pat on the back" is hard to infer from time to time.  Just the nature of the printed word.

And that's what makes horse racing!

-Or something like that!  ;)
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 09:36:26 PM
It's interesting that growing up in Hungary, I knew all about CASABLANCA (my mother's maiden name is Laszlo!) and GWTW and several other classic films. I had never seen them, but I felt as if I had. When I finally did get to see them in Canada, it just seemed inevitably right. I couldn't stop crying the first time I saw CASABLANCA.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 09:42:13 PM
I certainly look down on those who can't tell the difference between the melodies of Lieder and the Lieder of Hosen.  Brahms is a bull, isn't it?  Faure Ackerman was Famous Monsters of Filmland, that much I know.  I don't mind people looking at me askance if I haven't seen a Lubitsch film - I just take their advice and watch the thing.  Again, no one is putting anyone down.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 09:44:16 PM
And really, what does "some of us have to deal with other things" have to do with the discussion at hand?  We're just discussing movies and the fact that some haven't seen a certain classic is just a discussion.  We all have things to deal with, every day in every way.  That has nothing to do with this discussion, in my opinion (IMO, in Internet lingo).  
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Post by: Jennifer on January 10, 2004, 09:45:18 PM
It is 12:43am. I think I should go to bed! But for some reason I am not tired.  I was so exhausted earlier I dozed off.

Btw, it is still absolutely freezing here. And for some reason the thing to do in Montreal when it is freezing is go to the mall.  I kid you not.

I think it was as busy as Boxing Day (which is crazy wicked here).  I was stunned.
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 09:45:39 PM
"Finally, we all even write differently.  And sometimes the "wink in they eye" and the "pat on the back" is hard to infer from time to time.  Just the nature of the printed word."

Well put, JoseSPiano.
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Post by: SwishySarah on January 10, 2004, 09:46:53 PM
Well, I have just retuuuuuuuhned from the theatuh!

MAMMA MIA is such a fun show. Jose, you are going to have a GREAT TIME!

I wasn't sure if I'd like it, because I'm not a big ABBA fan at ALL, but I LOVED it! It's fluffy, not too complicated, and very flashy, but no one was there looking for a complicated show. They wanted to have a good time, and that's what they got.

The woman playing Sophie has a fantastic voice, the mother and her friends are hysterical, the men have fun roles and play them nicely, and the ensemble members are extremely talented!

The only "thing" I had was that the man who played "Sam" was singing STRAIGHT out of his nose, and it was apparent. I could hear the murmur of people around me when he began to sing, and by the end of his shpiel, the energy level had gone down. But it's a small part of the show, and doesn't affect the overall performance.

And when the curtain call started, don't you know I was up and dancing in a minute, all by myself. And, being the nice little trendsetter I was, got everyone else in the balcony to dance as well!

So yes...I would definitely go see it again. Especially if I can go to Occidental's for dinner again! YUM! I had a caesar salad, tender pork with pecan sauce, and mango sorbet. And I'm FULL! No food tomorrow, eghk.

*And I do realize that, yes, I loved ANOTHER show I saw. If this review is too positive for you, email me, and I'll give you a blow-by-blow of my negative thoughts during the show. Note that this email will be about 2 sentences long. I have a positive outlook on musicals, what can I say??*
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 10, 2004, 09:47:34 PM
I don't think anyone's writing anyone off because they haven't seen something that they just thought was de rigeur...I think we're just sort of gob-smacked that someone gets to a certain age and hasn't  seen something this seminal yet.  Of course, some of us fogies forget that there have been twenty, thirty, forty more years of films since we first saw Casablanca.  Still we definitely encourage anyone to rectify what is to us an inexplicable gap not only in their education, but also their joy!
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 09:47:51 PM
I had a quote in front of my statement, but it's gone. I was referring to the comment about the absence of tone and nuance.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 09:48:42 PM
I saw Mamma Mia here in LA - I enjoyed it (I like ABBA) but it was so bloody loud I had a headache for two days (I was, unfortunately, in the fifth row orchestra near a speaker).
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Post by: Jennifer on January 10, 2004, 09:50:24 PM
I'm still here.
 
Swish, glad you liked MAMMA MIA. I actually LOVED it when I saw it in London and Toronto.  It is just so much fun!

Btw, I like your "swish on" motto. Cute :)
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Post by: Laura II on January 10, 2004, 09:50:41 PM
DR Ann: I'm very sorry to hear about Shy :(

Uncle Woody, I am honored to be your niece! Every time I see a reference to that, I beam!

I must agree with Jennifer regarding the encouragement. It made me so happy that people made suggestions about which films to watch first and why I should view them. Encouragement like that influences people in a way that allows them to remain open-minded to ideas. I must thank all of you Dear Readers who treat me with such respect. I really appreciate it. I'm a teenager, and I may not have as much theatre knowledge/experience as a lot of you, so it means a lot that you realize that! For example, I don't know much about films, and they are not one of my main interests, but I will now give them more of a chance! Also, I must say that we all learn something new everyday. It's part of life. Our cultural interests mature/progress at different times. I mean, I love musical theatre, and I still have yet to see some of the classic musicals, such as Sweeney Todd! All right, I basically just wanted to say thank you, everyone, for your patience with me! :D
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 09:51:43 PM
I hate when tone and nuance quotes disappear.  I'm just sitting here trying to figure out whether I'm hearing the melodies of Faure or the lieder of Brahms.  I THINK it's Brahms because there's singing, but it could be Faure because they're singing in French.  Was Brahm's French?  Avez vous Brahms as Francoise Sagan once said.
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 09:52:39 PM
Mr. Pogue would love to come for pancakes,  but I am re-writing Hercules...due Monday...

Excuses, excuses...
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 09:53:27 PM
Having teens here is my favorite thing and not for nefarious reasons either.  I think we all learn from each other.  When I work with young people I encourage their ideas and thoughts - frequently they have better ideas than I have.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 09:53:44 PM
And you, LauraII, are a delight.
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Post by: Jennifer on January 10, 2004, 09:54:10 PM
I'm not usually up this late.  But I just noticed something. I'm reading these posts live as their posted. But when I go back (which I don't normally do) they are all modified :)

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Post by: Jennifer on January 10, 2004, 09:56:29 PM
I agree Laura II is a delight!

(hey Laura don't you feel like royalty or some rich kid to be "the second") :)
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 09:56:39 PM
I can't tell the difference between the modified posts and the lieder of Brahms.  I'm having a lieder of Diet Coke right now.  What is Jose having?
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 09:58:22 PM
I'm making popcorn. I've had this popcorn for many months, so it will probably be dry and horrid. My dog is a fan of dry and horrid, so it won't be a total loss.
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Post by: Laura II on January 10, 2004, 09:58:38 PM
Thank you, BK and Jennifer. Thank you everybody for accepting me here! I must confess that when I began posting here, I wasn't sure what people thought of me. Now, though, I really feel like I'm part of the "big extended family" we have here (to quote Jed, with whom I'm chatting at the moment).
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 09:59:07 PM
16 Tons.  16 Candles.  And now, 16 GUESTS!  Welcome, GUESTS.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 09:59:59 PM
Watch out for Jed.  He's nefarious.
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 10:00:52 PM
It IS dry and horrid.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 10:01:04 PM
Well, it's almost 1:00AM here on the East Coast... And I think I'm actually going to venture into my bedroom and start the grand excavation.  However, I do know it's not as bad as I think it is - well, that's what I'm telling myself deep, deep-down inside. ;-)  Hopefully, it will only take me about an hour - I really just want to get the stuff out of my bags and back into my dresser and closet.  And I may go ahead and start some magazine bundles along the way.  We'll see...

-Hey, I gotta work off that yummilicious cheesesteak somehow!

-And the moving around will also keep me warm.  Gotta love these old, drafty buildings!

DR SwishySarah - I'm soo glad you had a good time at Mamma Mia!  That's what the show was made for: a good time, a get up in the aisles and start dancing good time!  Unfortunately, it does not look like I will be subbing in for the DC run this time round.  But I have done a few weeks already on the Second National tour - and some more may come my way sooner or later - heck, they're booked solid for at least three more years!  Maybe next time you'll be dancing while I'm playing!  :D

Back in a little while...

<breathe>
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 10:01:25 PM
And what is Jose listening to?  The melodies of Brahms or the lieder of Faure?  I'm listening to Richard and Johann Strauss at the same time.  I want to waltz and kill myself.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 10:03:27 PM
Jed has been "outed" again.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 10:03:28 PM
...Diet Cherry Coke... and I may break out a Fresca soon...

-Once more into the fray!  (fray=messy bedroom)
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 10:04:28 PM
You know what we should do sometime?  We should have a pajama party and just post all night.  Maybe we'll do that this week.
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Post by: Laura II on January 10, 2004, 10:05:39 PM
Jose, Cherry Coke is no fun if it's diet!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 10, 2004, 10:05:45 PM
And what is Jose listening to?  The melodies of Brahms or the lieder of Faure?  I'm listening to Richard and Johann Strauss at the same time.  I want to waltz and kill myself.

Now if you were listening to Johann Strauss and Richard Wagner (or even Bruckner) at the same time, it would be a really loooooooong death.

LOL

-Now, I'm going...

For real...

This time...
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on January 10, 2004, 10:14:08 PM
I'm sorry that my post caused so much trouble. The truth is, I don't care for movies. And at this time, I do not own a television or vcr or dvd player, so I don't rent movies.  But if one day I buy a television and vcr or dvd player, I may check into some of these classics.





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Post by: Maya on January 10, 2004, 10:16:05 PM
Hi everyone!

I'm back from seeing Big Fish...I loved it...it's my second favorite film of the year, next to Lost in Translation.  Burton is just a master of cinematic magical realism, what can I say?  And while the movie was a bit manipulative in places, I didn't mind...it just took me to wonderful enchanting places.  And the acting was wonderful...it was incredible how much Alison Lohman looked like the young Jessica Lange, and Ewan McGregor and Albert Finney shared some resemblance too, strangely enough.

My friend made a hilarious comment during the movie, referring to Helena Bonham Carter's effort to seduce Ewan in the movie.  "Even in movies, she's a homewrecker!"

I hope you guys don't mind if I add my two cents apropos to the discussion on classic films.  There are only so many years one has to live...that means that there are only so many films one can see, so many books one can read, so many albums one can listen to.  I've seen Citizen Kane, and Gone with the Wind, and Casablanca.  I loved Casablanca and GWTW, but really couldn't get into Citizen Kane.  I suppose it's not good that a lot of teenagers and members of the MTV generation haven't seen these films, but that doesn't mean that they are film-illiterates or that they aren't seeing other, more recent great films.  I think Jason and Laura II are both very intelligent anc cultured people, regardless of how much film or theatre they have been exposed to.  And they are young, so there is always more to experience and learn about!

Swish--Glad you had such a great time at Mamma Mia!  I'm not an ABBA fan either, though I do like Anderssen's and Ulvaeus' score for Chess.  Have you heard it??

Ann--Condolences on your cat!

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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 10:18:18 PM
I'll bet you'd love movies if they featured The Plaids.  
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 10:18:42 PM
DR Laura. No way could your delightful self ever cause trouble! People make trouble for themselves. Music over movies any time. And you have a delightful person to tell you wonderful stories about the scholastic world. Wish she would share more with us. I still want to know more about the OZ History teacher. Or in her case, herstory!
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 10:19:10 PM
Maya, did you see the Kritzer Time art?
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 10:20:02 PM
If anyone missed it it's posted here on an earlier page, although I have no idea which.  Does anyone know?
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 10:20:43 PM
Films: I think I may be one of the only two people on the planet not to have seen "E.T."
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Post by: Maya on January 10, 2004, 10:21:11 PM
I did, BK, its absolutely stunning!  Looking forward to publication!  :D
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Post by: Laura II on January 10, 2004, 10:27:56 PM
Tomovoz: I've only seen a bit of "E.T." You are not alone! :)
MBarnum: I guess I shouldn't admit that "The Wizard of Oz" bores me. I turn it off at the flying monkeys part because I can't usually take it anymore! :)
Oh, I first watched "Sound of Music" in its entirety two years ago! I saw the stage production on tour, so I knew what happened, but I can't remember watching the end of the movie until two years ago. I had seen most of the movie as a kid, though.
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Post by: JMK on January 10, 2004, 10:29:51 PM
We got home late (for us), so I am just catching up, but may I say to the folk who evidently are not in tune with my exceedingly dry (some would say arid) sense of humor that my comment about Brooks suing Norbert for style infringement was said with tongue in cheek (although they do sound a lot alike as they both I believe will readily admit).

And to Ron Pulliam--as another DR has pointed out by listing some (but by no means all) of his credits, Brooks certainly does not need me hoping for him to be more successful.  I, a relatively old fogey compared to the ever youthful and undeniably hilarious Brooks, consider myself lucky to have been able to arrange and MD for him on several occasions.
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Post by: Panni on January 10, 2004, 10:43:30 PM
Closing up the desk for tonight. G'night, all.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 10:45:10 PM
"to arrange and MD" for someone does sound like an alternative world that some of us visit JMK.  But no! This is a family site.
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Post by: Jason on January 10, 2004, 10:45:49 PM
Just got an IM from a director in Long Island wondering if I'd be interested in doing a production of DIRTY BLONDE, which would open on Valentine's Day... I'm trying to get more details right now.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 10:47:27 PM
Hope you thoproughly enjoyed "A Black & White Night" Panni. Good that someone at least had a great tribute before they died. I was lucky enough to see the "Big O" 3 or 4 times in OZ. He had a magic and did not need all the smoke and lights that performers need now.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 10:48:59 PM
Jason I still think you are far too young to get involved with a"Dirty Blonde" - no matter what they offer to pay you.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 10:51:55 PM
Panni, naturally, is BUSY.  Where are all the other late-night denizens.  I want to have a pajama party.  Jason, Dirty Blonde is great for the two guys - do it if you can.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 10:54:53 PM
DR Laura II. I shall be courageous and let it be know that I have not watched "Citizen Kane" and that I found "Gone With The Wind" better as a musical than a film. We all have missed movies that "we should see". I've never read a Jane Austen novel either. I also don't know anything about Emily Dickinson.  Enjoying life is the key - not doing what others feel we should.
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Post by: Ann on January 10, 2004, 10:59:13 PM
Okay, I saw this and just couldn't resist posting it.  A friend of mine got an acceptance packet from Central Washington University, and this was the picture on the very front cover!  DR Jed is famous!

ps I'm sorry if it puts us into widescreen.  I'm not on my home computer, so I'm working a bit blndly
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Post by: Ann on January 10, 2004, 11:01:06 PM
Okay, trying again...

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Post by: Ann on January 10, 2004, 11:01:24 PM
Ah ha, there we go!  Everyone enjoy :)
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 11:02:40 PM
He looks so different with the cap on.
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Post by: Laura II on January 10, 2004, 11:03:49 PM
That's cool, Ann (and Jed)!
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 11:05:28 PM
Listen, just to keep the record straight - after all, we can't have crooked records - NO ONE IS TELLING ANYONE WHAT TO DO - people are surprised, that is all.  People are suggesting, that is all.  Let's not turn this into something it's not, really.  
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 11:07:08 PM
I don't get angry or upset when people tell me I must see this or I must see that - if I think they are passionate about something I will usually take their advice and give it a whirl.  I just don't undertand, TomofOz, why you must take it in this other direction.  It seems weird to me.  I would never have discovered half the things I know and love without gentle prodding from people I care about, trust and respect.
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Post by: Jason on January 10, 2004, 11:12:45 PM
Wow. Guess I missed something there.

It sounds like the DIRTY BLONDE audition isn't going to happen. He wants to see me on Monday, but I'm scheduled at MTI from 10-6 and the Met from 7-11...and the audition is in Long Island, so fuggedaboutit. Oh, well...it was a nice 2 minutes of excitement.
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Post by: Laura II on January 10, 2004, 11:16:38 PM
Did someone say we should have a pajama party? I'll try my best to stay up!  I took the following quiz (http://quizilla.com/users/morbidbunni/quizzes/Which%20slightly%20offensive%20random%20Barbie%20stereotype%20are%20you%3F/),
and I am the excessively pink Barbie who loves sleepovers, so I should be good at this!
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Post by: George on January 10, 2004, 11:19:29 PM
Okay why are people home on a Saturday night? And what do you do on a Saturday night alone?

The songs of Saturday Night were written by Stephen Sondheim, and the show was based on an unpublished or unproduced play by Julius and Philip Epstein, who wrote the also unproduced play upon which “Casablanca” was based, as well as the screenplay itself.  Three degrees of separation between today's topic and Stephen Sondheim! ;D
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 10, 2004, 11:32:02 PM
Actually, no the Epsteins did not write the unproduced play, Everybody Comes to Rick's, upon which Casablanca was based. It is no longer unproduced either...some years back some waiver house actually produced it here in LA.  I did not see it!

Tomovoz...No loss you haven't seen ET...I've seen it only once when it first came out.  It's perfectly okay, but hardly the second coming of Christ. I, for one, do not understand the drooling adoration it has.  CITIZEN KANE you really should see.  Not in my top ten, but damned fine movie.

Well, BK & Panni, the wife is now pouting.  I went out  whenever I did my last post and confessed I was on the internet and you guys wanted to go get pancakes.  She was definitely game; I was tempted, but finally decided that if I went, we all would just laugh and laugh I would not get home until the cows did and needed to work.  She was still game.  I told her to call you, that she could go without me.  But she decided not to.  So I just went out into the TV room after a productive period of work (I've only one small scene to alter slightly and then some repaging and I'm done!), And she was pouting because she didn't get to see you.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 11:32:16 PM
bK: I was in no way suggesting that recommendations and advice could not broaden our horizons and increase our ability to enjoy what the world has to offer. Using "should do" is the problem I have. Value judgments! And I'm not usually the pedant. I guess "should" and "must" are just used as "expressions" these days. I was not trying to be controversial.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 11:36:08 PM
I have watched one of the most remarkable figure skating performances I've ever seen.  

The men's finals this afternoon were wonderful.  And even the ladies' skating tonight was pretty good, if a tad shaky.  Sasha Cohen, heavily favored -- heck, even Dick Button and Peggy Fleming predicted she'd win the competition -- fell on one jump and stumbled on another move and still got extremely high scores...5.7s to 5.9s on technicals and one perfect 6.0 and a bunch of 5.8s and 5.9s on presentation.  But she skated first, and there was the ever-ubiquitous "room" for anyone who could best her.  Only Michelle Kwan was in a postion to better those marks and pass her.

When Michelle Kwan took the ice, she had the audacity to be skating a relatively new program and to the music used by Russian rival Irina Slutskaya at the 2002 Olympics -- "Tosca" by Puccini.  It's my feeling that she would have gotten around to "Tosca" at some point in her career, but it seems like she's skating to it now to show the world how it "should" be skated to...with artistry and technique and without the melodramatic hand-flailing and hair-pulling that marks Russian "artistry" in female figure skating these days.

I've seen this program twice already this year.  She finished second the first time she used it, and she won with it the second time although she fell on a jump.

Not so tonight.  No.

Tonight was magic time.

Tonight was one of those extraordinary moments in time when an artist takes the stage with an audience hungry for brilliance and the artist hands it to them with style, grace, power and tons of heart!  

It was, for me, as perfect a moment as a moment can be.

Of course, it helps if you love figure skating.  It also helps if you believe Michelle Kwan embodies everything ladies figure skating should be.

I love opera, too.

Both -- opera and Michelle Kwan -- move me to tears.

Oh, yeah....she won, too!  Left everyone else in her dust!  I daresay Sasha Cohen wouldn't have won if she hadn't fallen.

Her reward:  Five 5.9s and four 5.8s on technical merit; and seven perfect 6.0s and two 5.9s on presentation.

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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 11:37:48 PM
It's Internet "tone" Tom.  That's what I'm getting at.  No one was ordering anyone to do anything.  We're just passionate about certain things and passion, as you know, can be passion-filled.  The new notes are all about this and they'll be up shortly.

Pogue - I wished you'd called!  Let's do it this week, as I'm now free as a winged bird flying with gay abandon.
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 11:38:22 PM
How can we still be on page thirteen?
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Post by: George on January 10, 2004, 11:39:17 PM
And my other What If from 1/17/02... this time asking, "What if Stephen Sondheim wrote Fiddler on the Roof?"

(to the tune of "The Miller's Son")
---
<SNIP>

And Tzeitel married the tailor boy…

Are you sure it wasn't Taylor, the latte boy?? ;)
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Post by: George on January 10, 2004, 11:39:46 PM
JMK, Yes, twas I quoted in Variety a few days ago.  I wanted to get a strong statement out there to shut up all the whingers who are going to be saying what an embarrassment this is for the guild and how it weakens it.  Personally, it's only an embarrassment for Ms. Riskin who shouldn't have tried to dodge around the eligibility question.  The Guild has proven its strength once again, by listening to a member, investigating what it needed to investigate, resolving the problem properly, serving its by-laws and constitution, serving its membership. It's shown that the guild is its membership and that no one person is more important than the whole and that the rules apply to everybody.  And, frankly, Charles Holland is the best possible president we could have at this time.

For those of us who don't get Variety (or unless I missed it), what the ferschlugeneh did you talk about ???

Late update:  Charles, I just came across your post from 8:15 that explained it.  Sorry that I didn't read through the posts far enough before questioning something that was already answered.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on January 10, 2004, 11:40:07 PM
Tomovoz...No loss you haven't seen ET...I've seen it only once when it first came out.  It's perfectly okay, but hardly the second coming of Christ. I, for one, do not understand the drooling adoration it has.  CITIZEN KANE you really should see.  Not in my top ten, but damned fine movie.

I pity you your cynicism, Charles Pogue.  

It's one of the brilliant fantasy films ever.  I've seen it tons of times and thrill to it each time.

I also pity Tom for never having seen it.  He's deprived himself of an extraordinary motion picture.

And since "tone" is the issue of the moment, I thank Mr. Pogue for the "drooling adoration" comment.  It paints the film's admirers as idiots, but at least he still thinks it's a "damn fine movie" or was he referring to "Citizen Kane"?

I'm overjoyed.
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Post by: TCB on January 10, 2004, 11:40:20 PM
TCB you might find this google headline interesting: Hey, Tacoma, you're No. 1 on list of most stressed cities.

Lucky you can come here to de-stress. ;)

Ah, yes, but we only reached that lofty height when I started coming to this site.  Coincidence?  I don't think so!
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Post by: TCB on January 10, 2004, 11:45:04 PM
Memories of DOT:

Is Tab Hunter's nickname Dot?
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 11:49:10 PM
CALM DOWN!  Smell the roses.  Everyone's opinion is everyone's opinion, period.  End of story.  You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it, and that's all perfectly fine.  Some love ET (I do), some don't (Pogue don't, and plenty of others don't, too).  It doesn't make them pitiable any more than it makes anyone pitiable for liking it.  It's only a movie, Beulah.

Now, anyone for a PAJAMA PARTY?  New notes up in fifteen minutes or so, so post here now, take a thirty second break, then let's get in our pjs and start all over again.

So it is written, so it shall be done.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 10, 2004, 11:49:53 PM
It's OK Jed. All's right with my world. Tacoma stress!!
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Post by: bk on January 10, 2004, 11:49:55 PM
How can we still be on page thirteen?
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Post by: George on January 10, 2004, 11:51:17 PM
Actually, no the Epsteins did not write the unproduced play, Everybody Comes to Rick's, upon which Casablanca was based. It is no longer unproduced either...some years back some waiver house actually produced it here in LA.  I did not see it!

I went to www.imdb.com and read about the Epstein brothers and the little paragraph about "Casablanca" and I stand corrected (oops! :-[ )  I knew that they had co-written the screenplay and that it was based on an at-the-time unproduced play.  I guess I assumed that they had written the play also, since they had written the unproduced play upon which Saturday Night is based.
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Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 11:52:02 PM
Ha!  I'd heard I was on the CWU promotional stuff this year, but didn't know what picture it might have been.  I found out about it when subbing one day and some students I knew told me, "Hey, Slaughter!  Your face is all over the Central flyer!"  Well, the school did give me a free education (thank you, Alumni Association scholarship!), so I suppose I can let them use my glorious likeness for now. :D
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Post by: TCB on January 10, 2004, 11:53:05 PM
The trick is to find a way to maintain that glittering gaiety -- in some fashion -- all the year long!!!

But Ron, isn't that why we have you???
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Post by: Jason on January 10, 2004, 11:54:26 PM
I was on one of the OCU music department's audition posters, as well as the playbill covers for the school's shows. They had us pose, though. I gave my mom a copy of the poster and she ended up making copies and giving framed versions to my grandparents as Christmas gifts. Our old audition poster is still hanging in all of their living rooms...oy!
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Post by: Jed on January 10, 2004, 11:57:12 PM
The pic which DR Ann posted was taken in an elevator at Key Arena in Seattle as we were about to sing the national anthem for a Seattle Sonics basketball game.  And the gal in the cap in front of me is my dearest friend from college, Jessica.
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Post by: TCB on January 10, 2004, 11:58:35 PM
We don't even have ice Ron. It is the driest continent. The only continent with less rain is Antarctica. We can't afford ice.

Oh, don't be silly.  I am always hearing about the Australian Alps.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 10, 2004, 11:59:44 PM
There go calling me a cynic again, Ron...Brilliant fantasy films...I think the 5,000 FINGERS OF DR.T is a brilliant fantasy film and says more with its simplicity about childhood fears and childhood wonder than ET with all its bells and whistles and special effects.  I think Korda's THIEF OF BAGHDAD is a brilliant fantasy film.  I think Cocteau's BEAUTY & THE BEAST is a brilliant fantasy film.  I think IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE is a brilliant fantasy film.  

I think CITIZEN KANE is a damned fine film!  I think ET is just an okay film.

Ahhh....this is probably going to cost me karma points.  I've thrown bricks at the sacred cow!
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Tomovoz on January 11, 2004, 12:02:36 AM
Oh, don't be silly.  I am always hearing about the Australian Alps.
I think they are pop group TCB.
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Tomovoz on January 11, 2004, 12:03:26 AM
Isn't that cow Canadian?
Title: Re:SHAZAM!
Post by: Jason on January 11, 2004, 12:04:19 AM
Blame Canada! Blame Canadaaaaaaaaa! They're not even a real country anyway...