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Title: THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 12:08:16 AM
Well, you've read the notes (newbies take note - it is best to read the notes before posting) - you know whereof I speak, you know it all, you've got it all, so let's have loads of lovely posts, shall we?
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Post by: Jed on January 19, 2004, 12:12:34 AM
Hmm... I shall have to do some thinking on the topic d'jour.  I know I've seen a number of MGM musicals, but am not sure what was MGM and what wasn't (most were, I'm presuming).

Currently, I'm quite enjoying watching Light in the Piazza.  I just keep waiting for them to break into song, having only seen the Guettel musical version before.
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 12:32:16 AM
Tivo is recording Light in the Piazza - I did catch the start of it - looked like a very old transfer, albeit in letterbox.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 19, 2004, 12:33:13 AM
Just five favourite M-G-M Musicals.  Tough, but here goes:

1) SINGING IN THE RAIN  (Does this really need an explanation?  Simply the greatest musical EVER made!)

2) THE PIRATE...Gene Kelly as a singing, dancing John Barrymore. It's also very funny and Judy was also in top form.

3) BABES IN ARMS...Just a great Rodgers & Hart score.  Mickey and Judy in their prime.  And the "Babes In Arms" march through the neighbourhood, culminating with the big bond fire is thrilling.

4) SEVEN BRIDES FOR SEVEN BROTHERS...not the strongest score perhaps, but it serves the dancing which is spectacular.  What athletic, masculine, thrilling choreography.

5) GOODBYE, MR. CHIPS...Yes, the score except for a few numbers is rather weak and O' Toole can't really sing for squat, but he acts brilliantly, so who the Hell really cares?  It's far from perfect as musicals go, but still perfect in so many ways.  I adore this movie!

Worse musical?  Don't have time to research this, so in lieu of coming up with something really inventive, let's just say Elvis Presley's KISSING COUSINS, was scraping the bottom of the barrel for both Elvis and movie musicals in general.

This last is taken back, of course, if M-G-M was the studio that released LOST HORIZON.

Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: DearReaderLaura on January 19, 2004, 12:39:10 AM
Wow! I can answer this one!
Seven Brides for Seven Brothers
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Post by: Laura II on January 19, 2004, 12:39:40 AM
Today's topic requires thought. Hmm. It is too late/early (depending on how you look at it) for me to think. I shall think about it later.
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: Jed on January 19, 2004, 12:40:12 AM
Oh my goodness!  DR Laura has seen a movie!!! :D
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 12:40:19 AM
Excellent choices, even Laura I.  We've got two Lauras, a Jed and a Pogue.
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 12:41:03 AM
"I'll think about it later"  You sound like Scarlett O'Hara, Laura II.
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: Jed on January 19, 2004, 12:43:46 AM
Tivo is recording Light in the Piazza - I did catch the start of it - looked like a very old transfer, albeit in letterbox.

I don't know much about transfers, and am not too picky about them.  To my eyes, it looks like I expect a 1962 film to look on television, but it could well be lacking visually and I just don't realize it.  I am very pleased it's in letterbox, though.
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Post by: Michael on January 19, 2004, 04:41:50 AM
Just Can't do 5

(In Reverse Chronological Order)
Victor/Victoria (80's)
The Boyfriend (70's)
Bells Are Ringing (60's)
7 Brides For 7 Brothers ( tie 50's)
Singing in the Rain (tie 50's)
The Pirate (tie 40's)
Meet Me In St. Louis (tie 40's)
The Wizard of Oz (30's)


My least  favorites would have to be Elvis Presley Movies. But Overall I don't seem to enjoy the ones that were NOT made by the Freed Unit.

Annie Get Your Gun
Gigi
Kiss Me Kate
The Bandwagon (Plot now creaks but the musical numbers are #1)
Easter Parade
The Harvey Girls
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Post by: Jennifer on January 19, 2004, 05:58:21 AM
Hey good morning everyone.  Thanks S. Woody for your comments last night.  Sorry I was too sleepy for chat (I just assumed it was at 10pm since that is what was said a day or two before).

Hope everyone has a good day!
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: Kerry on January 19, 2004, 06:25:40 AM
Singin' In the Rain

Gigi

Easter Parade

The Bandwagon

Can I choose "That's Entertainment (I)" so I don't have to choose between others?

I'm still in shock that Laura has seen a movie!!!!!! :P
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 19, 2004, 06:30:24 AM
What a wonderful PJ Party/chat last night!   ;D  

Yes we must do it again some other night before a holiday that is a holiday for everyone!

Hmmmmmmm....early and my choices are taken....so I will just vote again for:

Singin' In the Rain - terrific performers at the peaks of their careers....Jean Hagen, Donald O'Conner, Debbie Reynolds, Gene Kelly (even though he is not a favorite of mine) - and such a funny story.  "Good Mornin'" is one of my favorite movie dances, AND the new transfer on DVD makes the colors so bright!

7 Bride for 7 Brothers - Such wonderful dancing....and a very touching scene with Jeff Richards and Jane Powell when he explains to her why the brothers need to leave the farm....and "Sobbin' Women" and the challenge dance!

The Wizard of Oz - Judy Garland and all the resources of MGM come together to make a memory for everyone who sees it.

For Me and My Gal - Kelly again...but Garland was so pretty in this movie and they sang all those great songs!

Meet Me in Las Vegas - because I do love Dan Dailey!

Goodbye Mr Chips - performances and some of the songs (Eros stands in Picadilly Circus!) - and a VERY moving finales.  I would never have thought this story needed songs, until I saw how it was done!

I don't like "An American in Paris" it seems to be a riff on the superior "The Red Shoes" and "Gigi" is just too over-designed.

DRCHARLES POGUE - Columbia released the musical "Lost Horizon" so you are safe there.

And although she didn't appear in a favorite MGM musical of mine, I have to mention Miss Eleanor Powell.....who could dance, dance, dance and come up smiling even after a series of triple turns!  Ann Miller was a technician, but Eleanor was a joyful dancer, I think.
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Post by: Kerry on January 19, 2004, 06:34:34 AM
There were  a  lot of MGM musicals that didn't work that should have worked (and I don't mean the Elvis ones).
I mean the ones like "Yolanda and the Thief," "The Belle of New York."  It was if MGM had so much talent they didn't know what to do with it anymore.  I love moments in "Summer Stock," but much of it is quite bad.  I think MGM took itself too seriously and tried to coast on its reputation.  Of course this is just an opinion.  But it makes me angry when I see Fred Astaire, Judy Garland and all the great character actors at MGM go to waste.  "Summer Holiday" was another one that didn't work.  Ah well, I will quit my opining and have go have breakfast.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 19, 2004, 07:53:17 AM
Oh, MGM musicals and I have a long-lasting love relationship. While not every one of them is brilliant and some are just a waste of time, they all have that look, that sheen of classiness that just sets them apart. It seems fashionable today in some circles to denegrate MGM musicals as stuffy, aloof, and "superior in their own minds" type of criticism. To my eyes, they were the best. A few other studios occasionally turned out one of comparable merit (COVER GIRL AT Columbia, CALAMITY JANE at Warners, BLUE SKIES at Paramount), but MGM in its GOlden Period just had the knack of doing them better.

My choices for the best in order of year of release:

THE WIZARD OF OZ - the perfect fantasy film. Score of unparalleled invention and performances never to be matched.

MEET ME IN ST. LOUIS - a gorgeous candy box of a musical showing a year in the life of an idealized family. Memorable in every respect.

EASTER PARADE - the two greatest musical performers singing and dancing to the songs of one of America's greatest composers.

ON THE TOWN - I love the energy and humor of the piece, and even with the new Roger Edens songs added in, it works beautifully. Yep, I miss most of Bernstein's Broadway score, but I'm not sure this cast could have done them justice. Better to give them material they could handle.

IT'S ALWAYS FAIR WEATHER - the most neglected of the great MGM musicals with a scathing, satirical look at lots of different aspects of life in the 1950s and a wonderful, overlooked score by Andre Previn, COmden and Green.

Bubbling under the surface of the top five:

SEVEN BRIDES FOR SEVEN BROTHERS
THE PIRATE
BABES ON BROADWAY
I LOVE MELVIN
SINGIN' IN THE RAIN
TWO WEEKS WITH LOVE
BRIGADOON


Worst MGM musical to me is WORDS AND MUSIC since it falsifies the real (and interesting) life stories of Rodgers and Hart. True, lots of show biz bios in the 1940s and 1950s did that, but I resent this one the most.
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Post by: Panni on January 19, 2004, 08:43:50 AM
Good morning. I'm about to go for my morning walk, but had to chime in on the topic of the day. I have a weakness for musicals - even bad ones. Absolutely no taste or discrimination. They just make me smile. Especially the ones from the 40's and early 50's. When I was a weird, lonely kid who felt like I was living on the moon, those musicals on TV connected me to a world I wanted to live in - and did, in my imagination. All my faves have been mentioned, I think. But one that suddenly popped into my head, which I haven't seen in years and is actually I believe a Fox musical - so why the hell am I bring it up? - is THE DOLLY SISTERS. I love all those musicals which featured Cudddles Szakall and a supporting cast of character actors to die for (and I had a crush on John Payne when I was a kid)... Those were the days...
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Post by: Donald on January 19, 2004, 08:47:20 AM
Hello All!

The new Broadway Radio Show is up and running and just sitting there awaiting your ears.  This week, we pay tribute the late Martin Luther King, Jr. on what would have been his 75th Birthday.

Enjoy

Donald
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: MBarnum on January 19, 2004, 08:52:17 AM
Favorite MGM musicals:

BABES IN TOYLAND: An odd choice I know, but Felix Knight's singing just gives me goose bumps.

WIZARD OF OZ: Just a classic in every sense...beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

SUMMER STOCK: I watched this film quite often as a small child; the song GET HAPPY is one of my favorites.

IT'S ALWAYS FAIR WEATHER: Another film from my childhood. Gene Kelly makes me swoon!

SINGING IN THE RAIN: A lovely, fun movie with some great performances and songs.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 19, 2004, 08:58:31 AM
No one yet has chosen a Jeanette MacDonald/Nelson Eddy film as one of their favorites. If my father could have contributed to this thread, his #1 MGM choice would have been NAUGHTY MARIETTA which for him was always his favorite movie, musical or any other genre.
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on January 19, 2004, 09:24:21 AM
Interesting - my list almost duplicates Matt H's: Singin' in the Rain, Wizard of Oz, Always Fair Weather, and Easter Parade are top choices. Others: Lili (but not Gigi). Silk Stockings (but not High Society). Brigadoon? The fake sets and Van Johnson ruin it for me. Finally, Tommy Rall's incredible dancing - Seven Brides and Kiss Me Kate - make me wish he had appeared in more movies.
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Post by: Noel on January 19, 2004, 09:28:30 AM
High Society has that marvelous dialogue, and Gigi's very well-written all around.  I love The Wizard of Oz for Yip Harburg's whimsy, and will complete my list with two other Judy Garland films: Meet Me In St. Louis and Easter Parade.

I love musicals so much, I can honestly say I never saw one that I could find no merit in until Moulin Rouge.
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Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 09:29:37 AM
Tommy Rall is amazing, and also brilliant in Kiss Me Kate.  I'm glad someone listed The Boy Friend, as it is a major guilty pleasure, and Bells Are Ringing, which I'm fond of because of Miss Holliday (it's very stodgily directed by Mr. Minnelli).  Otherwise, all my faves have been spoken for.  I'd add the little B-movie, Give a Girl a Break, because there are some very good musical numbers in it.
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Post by: Danise on January 19, 2004, 09:33:44 AM
Good morning/afternoon all!

I'm so sorry I didn't make it to the PJ party last night.  I wanted to be but I was soooo tired.  I hope all had a good time.  

I went to the doctor this morning and found I have to go back again this afternoon and 4 weeks from now.  Sigh.    Round 2.  



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Post by: Jennifer on January 19, 2004, 09:47:44 AM
DR Danise: Good vibes for your doctor's visits.

Oh and I wanted to say to DR Jay: You are a classy god thanking everyone who sent you good wishes individually.

Hi Swishy!
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Post by: td on January 19, 2004, 09:56:21 AM
Well, I'll merely chime in, trying not to repeat the obvious choices until later, but of those not yet mentioned, my third tier would include:
JUPITER'S DARLING - keel, williams and elephants
BILLY ROSE'S JUMBO - "what elephant?"  doris day, stephen boyd, the great durante, martha raye, rodgers & hart. . .and the circus!
LOVE ME OR LEAVE ME - doris day dances up a storm, and acts every bit as well as Oscar-nominated Cagney; plus cameron mitchell is really, really cute in this one.
YOLANDA AND THE THIEF - astaire in a fable with the wizard of oz himself!  "Coffee Time" is still my favorite Astaire turn.
ZIEGFELD FOLLIES - I just really like it for whatever reason; maybe it's Lucy with the whip, or maybe it's "limhouse blues."

TOP FIVE:
SINGIN' IN THE RAIN
THE BANDWAGON
THE BOYFRIEND
SEVEN BRIDES FOR SEVEN BROTHERS
MEET ME IN ST. LOUIS

I know, I know,  we're supposed to limit it to five, but, second tier wise, and gosh, i hate to have to see the top one NOT place in the top five:
THE WIZARD OF OZ
THE PIRATE
SILK STOCKINGS
IT'S ALWAYS FAIR WEATHER
THE UNSINKABLE MOLLY BROWN
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: Jennifer on January 19, 2004, 10:04:01 AM
Fresh song for 'Fiddler'
 
Composer, lyricist reunite after 34 years for new revival:


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/theater/story/155363p-136562c.html

I'm curious, which other revivals have new songs written for them?
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 19, 2004, 10:22:59 AM
Good morning!

It's a beautiful day here in Richmond.   Yes, it's on the cold side, but the sky is a very, clear, bright beautiful blue.  -And the sunshine coming through my window is helping me to wake up too! ;)

New York was amazing!  -Cold, but amazing!  Steve and I had a wonderful time, and the cold kind of helped in a sense.  Usually when I go up, I tend to free form it all.  This time was kind of free-formed too, but with the cold temps,  I made sure to map the routes out (walking and subway), and we more or less stayed below 57th Street (Steinway Hall).  *We'll have to save the Museum of New York for a later trip.  We also "lost" a few hours each morning since we didn't want to venture out each day until the temps creeped up out of the single digits.  But that also gave us more time to rest from the day before, so we never felt stressed out as can happen during a New York City "vacation".

Each of the shows we saw were very good.  URINETOWN had an incredible energy and sense of fun to it.  AVENUE Q was a wonderful surprise; kudos to all involved.  WICKED was a great spectacle, in the good sense, and it was great to see Idina Menzel's vocal prowess put in the spotlight.  CAROLINE, OR CHANGE impressed me on many levels, many different levels.  -And I know that Tonya Pinkins has been receiving most of the praise for her performance (and deservedly so), but the supporting cast - especially the younger performers - really shine too - and they handle some of the more trickier moments in the score with ease.  And, finally, HAIRSPRAY was a downright right Hootenanny!  The newer members of the cast fit right in and added their own personal touches, while some of the "veterans" continue their amazing work.  And Harvey Feirstein manages to not only remain true to the character of Mrs. Turnblad, but also works his own unique talents - and his surprisingly flexible voice - into his portrayal.  Fun, Fun, Fun!  *And while we were waiting backstage for Barbara Walsh, the stage hands let us - and some others - take some pics on the set.  -And, yes, I will post them once I get them back on disc from Steve.

So... I'm taking most of today to continue unpack, and get back up to speed on things.  And I think I'm even gonna attempt to read all the posts from the past couple of days... So, I guess, I'll be caught up by the end of this week! ;)

As for MGM Musicals:
SINGIN' IN THE RAIN
7 BRIDES FOR 7 BROTHERS
THE WIZARD OF OZ
MEET ME IN ST. LOUIS
GOODBYE, MR CHIPS - Which I always seem to catch on late night TV - ??? - I don't think I've ever seen it in the daylight. ;)

-Boy, that list sounds familiar...

Time to dive in! 5... 4... 3... 2... 1.....
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 19, 2004, 10:29:38 AM
OH!!!  And the panna cotta at Becco... simply exquisite!!!  -As was the Chocolate Zabaglione Cake, and the Cinnamon Gelato, the Ricotta Cheesecake, the Italian Bread Pudding... We had the dessert sampler... Sooooo good - and a surprisingly good deal.

*And Steve just wanted our waiter at Becco to keep talking into his ear all night. ;)

More NYC food posts to follow :p
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Post by: Jay on January 19, 2004, 10:36:08 AM
Oh and I wanted to say to DR Jay: You are a classy god thanking everyone who sent you good wishes individually.

Thank you again, Dear Reader Jennifer.  I guess my Mama taught me well, to say "please" and "thank you."
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Post by: Jay on January 19, 2004, 10:42:19 AM
I'm with you, Dear Reader JRand53, on Eleanor Powell.  Although Broadway Melody of 1940 would never make its way onto a top 5 MGM musicals list when there so many other riches from which to select, it does contain one of the best, if not THE best dance scene in all of cinema.  Fred Astaire and Eleanor Powell on that polished black dance floor creating terpsichorean magic to Cole Porter's "Begin the Beguine."  Ahhhhhh.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 19, 2004, 10:43:29 AM
So many musicals listed - I want to watch them again!  ;D

I will second "Give a Girl a Break" and will also add "Ziegfeld Girl" and for Jeannette McDonald - "Smilin' Through."  :'(

Don't worry, Jose - the Museum will be there when you get back.  Glad you liked all the shows you saw!

Very cold today....and we are not on page two yet and it is the beginning of the afternoon!  Everyone must be BUSY!  :o

We did make it to page TWO!

DR JAY - I love a number Powell did in a movie called HONOLULU - a tap dance in a grass skirt that is very difficult to figure out.  There are a couple of steps in there that I still don't know how she did them!  Of course the taps were pre-recorded....but she seems to hit them all and there is one in there that I can't tell what foot does it!  LOL.   8)
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 19, 2004, 11:07:05 AM
Actually, SUMMER STOCK would make my top ten,, if for nothing else than Gene Kelly, the newspaper, and the creaky board.  I've always loved BRIGADOON specifically for its fake sets.  I know Kelly wanted to film this on actual Scottish locations, but I think the reality would have ruined the fantasy element.  Mythical Brigadoon should look like a movie set...not any real place.  In fact, somewhere in the sixties, they actually did a production of BRIGADOON for TV with Bob Goulet and Peter Falk (in the best friend role) on real locations (I don't remember if they were Scottish locations or not), but it looked all washed out and flat and did not have the ethereal, otherwordly aura of Kelly's Brigadoon.  After all, is there anything more fantastical than "better than real life" M-G-M colour?  

I'm a big proponent of soundstages myself.  I like the way film-makers with imagination can control the look of the film with just sets and good art direction.  John Ford's moody IRA thriller, THE INFORMER, was all shot on discard sets.  You can also control the budget and the vicissitudes of nature on a soundstage.

WORDS & MUSIC is a good bad musical choice, MattH.   Mickey Rooney trying too hard, the bland Tom Drake, and a soppy, messy, tedious story.  Without the songs (and I'm not sure they're given the best forum), this is a dreary mess.  TILL CLOUDS ROLL BY, the Jerome Kern bio-pic taverses similar terrain.  Of course, the nice thing about musicals like these is you can read a book or go out of the room until a musical number comes on.
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Post by: Michael on January 19, 2004, 11:36:30 AM
Fresh song for 'Fiddler'
 
Composer, lyricist reunite after 34 years for new revival:


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/theater/story/155363p-136562c.html

I'm curious, which other revivals have new songs written for them?

My books are packed away so I don't have access to all the info. So there are off the top of my head.

Annie has had two songs written for various revivals. One for Miss Hannigan when Nell Carter did it, It was used only for her and not since. They just wrote another song for the current mini tour. Don't know either song title.

Little Me's first revival (Victor Garber and James Coco  ) There were two new songs written.

The recent Kiss Me Kate, added from This Moment On. (Different from the use in the film version.)

The recently closed revival of Cabaret added I Don't Care Much (written for and dropped from the original production) Maybe This Time (An independant song used for the film) The Money Song (The film version)   The first revival with Joel Grey, Virginia Resnick et al The song Please Stay was written (but not retained for the other revival)  They also combined the Sitting Pretty (The Money Song) and The Money Song (Film version) into one song and this was not reused in the most recent revival.

Company added the deleted song Marry Me a Little to the Roundabout revival.

A Little Night Music (London Judi Dench Revival)  combined the stage and film versions of The Glamorous Life into one song. Also a new number called Table Conversations (or something like that)

Into the Woods (London) added Our Little World

In the revivasel of How to Succeed a song was rewritten to replace an  "outdated" song.

After shows closed on Broadway songs were added for the tour versions. This happened for Woman of the Year and The Tap Dance Kid.

During the run of Victor/Victoria when Liza Minnelli was doing it. The dropped I believe the Act One finale and put in a song written for her.

Other shows that added songs during their runs were Li'l Abner, Bells Are Ringing, Wish You Were Here, and the Scarlet Pimpernell
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Post by: Michael on January 19, 2004, 11:42:29 AM
Sound of Music added Something Good and I have Confidence.

The California Revival of Do I Hear a Waltz? (BK recorded the show) added Everyone Loves Leona and used Sondheim's original version We're Going To Be Alright.

The Broadway Revival of Putting It Together  added Do I Hear a Waltz (different version music and lyrics by Sondheim

Rodgers and Hart wrote new songs for their Revival of A Connecticut Yankee
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Post by: Michael on January 19, 2004, 11:44:45 AM
Add another one:

Starlight Exprress changed during its London run. Many new songs were added.

Chess had many changes over the years. You need a book to list them.

Rags added Till We Meet Again (Bk recorded this song on Duets Ripley and Skinner)
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 19, 2004, 11:47:50 AM
7 Brides For 7 Brotherrs
Singing In The Rain
Gigi
Easter Parade
Wizard Of OZ
I am very fond of "Lili" too.
(I am very fond of "Lili" too)
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Post by: Jane on January 19, 2004, 11:52:39 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]WELCOME TIFF![/move]

Seven Brides for Seven Brothers
Meet Me in St. Louis
The Easter Parade
Singing in the Rain
In the Good Old Summertime (I like Van Johnson)

Runner's up
Victor/Victoria
The Boyfriend
Gigi
Till the Clouds Roll By


Panni though I wouldn’t put it in my top five I did enjoy The Dolly Sisters.  I also had a crush on John Payne.
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Post by: Jane on January 19, 2004, 11:57:08 AM
Jay you said  “I think that you and DH Keith were Mr. and Miss Popularity in high school.  Ya know, he the QB on the football team, you the head of the cheerleading squad, that sort of thing”

I am having a good laugh at that.  We were far from it!  We did meet in the drama class.
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Post by: Jane on January 19, 2004, 12:08:00 PM
MBarnum I just received a FedEx, hand delivered by Alan.  He was totally surprised when I mentioned you.
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Post by: td on January 19, 2004, 12:12:59 PM
Add another one:

Starlight Exprress changed during its London run. Many new songs were added.

Chess had many changes over the years. You need a book to list them.

Rags added Till We Meet Again (Bk recorded this song on Duets Ripley and Skinner)

BEAUTY AND THE BEAST added "A Change in Me" when Toni Braxton joined the cast; subsequently, Susan Egan recorded this new song.
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Post by: Maya on January 19, 2004, 12:17:00 PM
Welcome, Tiff!  ;D ;D

I'm so sorry to have missed last night's PJ party...my sister and I have been getting into screaming matches over whose turn it is on the PC, and my mom cut off my computer access for most of last evening and night to get us to shut up.  Can't say I blame her....oh well...I'm getting my own PC next month!

My all-time favorite MGM musicals are Singin' in the Rain, The Bandwagon, An American In Paris and On The Town.  Funny how most of them have Comden and Green involvement!  I also love Kiss Me Kate, Gigi, and a Star is Born!

Re: Composer biopics.  Some of them are really far-fetched and bogus (Words and Music), but I do enjoy the musical numbers...especially in Til the Clouds Roll By and Deep In My Heart (the Romberg biopic).  

Anyone looking forward to the new Porter biopic???
 
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Post by: DERBRUCER on January 19, 2004, 12:47:26 PM
Speaking of "DEEP"

How deep is the water in which BK's galley sails?

I assume it is an Italian Galley with lots of hunky oarsmen in leather. But I could be wrong. It might be a French Galley with lots of up-tight Frenchies in toques.\

der Brucer (showing off his new avatar that Woody shot while we were at the Grand Canyon).
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Post by: MBarnum on January 19, 2004, 12:53:30 PM
MBarnum I just received a FedEx, hand delivered by Alan.  He was totally surprised when I mentioned you.

LOL DR Jane!
And you and Keith were in Drama? Why did the two of you not get into show business...after all you were in the midst of Hollywood growing up! You both would have been perfect for those Beach Party movies! Did you ever want to be an actress? Or maybe you were an I just didn't know it!
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Post by: MBarnum on January 19, 2004, 12:55:07 PM

I'm a big proponent of soundstages myself.  I like the way film-makers with imagination can control the look of the film with just sets and good art direction.  John Ford's moody IRA thriller, THE INFORMER, was all shot on discard sets.  You can also control the budget and the vicissitudes of nature on a soundstage.


I totally agree DR CP, I like the look in many instances, and it gives sort of an unreal look, but in many films that fits so well! Paricularly in musicals. There are some musicals that I don't care for, and one reason is that they are filmed in the real outdoors, which just doesn't appeal to me in their case. INVADERS FROM MARS is another example of a film that I think is memorable for the bizarre stage bound sets.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 19, 2004, 12:59:48 PM
DR Maya, A STAR IS BORN was not MGM but rather Warner Bros.

I agree completely about the studiobound sets and backdrop in BRIGADOON. Such a fantasy in my eyes in enhanced by these obviously phony outdoor sets. In that fantastic dance Gene and Cyd do to "The Heather on the Hill," those vistas even on inside sets are pretty awesome. If they could have figured out some way to make the water sparkle and ripple in that lake behind them, the scene would have been perfect.

Speaking of the stodgy Minnelli direction of BELLS ARE RINGING. I really think he lost his directorial finesse once the measurements of the screen widened. I know he won the Oscar for GIGI, but I don't find it very imaginatively shot, and BRIGADOON certainly wasn't except for that one number I mentioned above (and who's to say Kelly didn't plan the camera movements since he was the choreographer). Minnelli's best work for me is in his 40s films, particularly something like "This Heart of Mine" and "Limehouse Blues" in ZIEGFELD FOLLIES or the "Madame Bovery Waltz" sequence in MADAME BOVERY, and all the numbers in THE PIRATE.
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Post by: Jennifer on January 19, 2004, 01:02:02 PM
Thanks so much Michael Shayne.
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Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 01:04:00 PM
MBarnum: You'll read all about the drama class Jane is speaking of in Kritzer Time.  That's where we ALL met.  
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Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 01:08:34 PM
And might I just ask a simple question: Where in tarnation IS everyone?  You'd think this was Martin Luther King day or something.  

Got my galley (hardcopy is on its way, but it's also on the net for me to look at) - this is always a shocking thing for me - but on this book I told them not to send it to me until they'd addressed all the instructions I'd sent and compared it to Kritzerland to make sure the format was right.  So, imagine my surprise to find six pages of the prologue missing.  That freaked me out, and then there were four or five other things wrong in the next few pages so I just stopped and called my production coordinator.  We skimmed through the entire book so we could deal with the major stuff, but I'm happy to report that after those first pages everything was mostly fine.  They actually got the stuff I was most worried about right - and the things they didn't get right are all easy to fix, some italics things that shouldn't be that way, some widows and orphan things and three little format things that can be done globally.  Of course, I'll be going through it now with a fine tooth comb as will others, just to make sure we're okay.
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Post by: Jane on January 19, 2004, 01:10:02 PM
Did you ever want to be an actress?

My parents had a few offers for me to act, or to be represented by an agent when I was a child and, despite my tears, my father refused.  After we were married I was about to sign with an agent when Keith and I decided I would get a traditional job and put him through college.  Absolutely no regrets! I'm very happy.
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Post by: Jennifer on January 19, 2004, 01:16:11 PM
BK, glad things look good with the book.

DR Jane, you will probably laugh, but when I first saw the pic of you and Keith, I actually thought that was Keith NOW and your daughter (so I can see why people thought he was robbing the cradle). I'm sorry :)
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 19, 2004, 01:30:25 PM
Another thought about soundstages:  My feeling is if you're obsessing about the scenery and vistas, you're not in the story and it must be failing.  Drama is about people; not pretty pictures.
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Post by: Emily on January 19, 2004, 01:30:58 PM
I hate American holidays.  They make me feel like I am missing something.  The North American cultural vibe is saying "woo hoo vacation!" while I am saying "boo hoo school!"

Oh well... at least I have the Iowa Caucuses to look forward to tonight (Andrea will confirm the fact that I actually AM excited about CNN coverage!) :)

MGM Musicals... heck a lot of the time I can barely remember film titles - not to mention film production companies!  But of all the ones already mentioned I like the Judy Garland ones (Wizard of Oz, Easter Parade, Meet Me in Saint Louis) best of all.

On Saturday I tripped on a flight of concrete stairs in the Lionel-Groulx metro station and tumbled halfway down them until my hand finally caught on the hand rail.  While the rail stopped my fall (ouch btw) it ripped open the insides of my index finger and thumb of my left hand (the inner "L" part if you hold out your thumb from the rest of your hand).  It's definitely healing but is still kinda painful when I type.  Which shows over the fact that it has taken me about three times as long as it should normally to write this post.

Oh well...

Only 3,5 hours left until the caucus coverage starts!!!!! (tcb - no "caucus" jokes please ;) )  
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 19, 2004, 01:31:54 PM
Yet another thought about soundstages and location shooting:

An old Hollywood adage:  "A rock is a rock; a tree is a tree.  Shoot it in Griffith Park."
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Post by: Jane on January 19, 2004, 01:32:46 PM
Jennifer when our boys were around 12 & 13 I did get asked if I was his daughter.  Alas, I really don't look that young anymore and, if Keith wears a hat, he and I look about the same age.  Keith has also lost about 55 pounds since Italy.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 19, 2004, 01:33:10 PM
Speaking of THE BAND WAGON, isn't it funny that Nannette Fabray wasn't swept up into the movies. She was pert, attractive, could sing and dance, and, of course, act.

She went on to have a big TV career winning three Emmys, but she seems like someone the movies left behind, and I think we're the poorer for that.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 19, 2004, 01:36:17 PM
Charles Pogue said: "Another thought about soundstages:  My feeling is if you're obsessing about the scenery and vistas, you're not in the story and it must be failing.  Drama is about people; not pretty pictures."

Charles, when you've seen the movies close to a hundred times, you do tend to look around the frame a bit.
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Post by: Jane on January 19, 2004, 01:41:25 PM
Emily-OUCH!  Good vibes to healing quickly.
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Post by: Michael on January 19, 2004, 01:45:08 PM
Well tonight starts my Cabaret series at the Crest Theater. John McDaniel is the featured artists. Looking forward to an entertaining season. Jason Graae and Liz Callaway will be at the Kravitz center in a concert in February. looking forward to seeing them again.
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Post by: Panni on January 19, 2004, 02:05:20 PM
Emily - Ouch, ouch ouch! That sounds so painful. Do hope it heals quickly.
When my daughter  - who just turned 20 the other day - was a youngster in LA, she was sliding down a wooden slide at a friend's house. The slide hadn't been properly sanded and as she held onto the sides, an enormous splinter embeded itself into just that area you described. It was in there AND a big chunk of it was still sticking out. I almost passed out as the doctor removed it. Again - heal quickly, Emily!

Jane - You were/are CUTE. (As was/is Keith.) And you also had a crush on John Payne! Well, twins separated at birth, that must be us.
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Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 02:22:33 PM
Of course, the posts we have today are cherce, but I must say it's the deadliest day we've had in weeks.  Unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to cheerlead like usual, as I'm going to start actively proofing the galley soon.
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Post by: Robin on January 19, 2004, 02:23:06 PM
Oddly enough, the Significant Other and myself were having a discussion about MGM musicals the other day...and when I said that my favorite one was Meet Me in St. Louis, he said, "That's bullshit, and you know it.  You play that laserdisc of Athena every few weeks!"  He didn't mention that I also listen to the CD pretty darned often, too, but he was absolutely right.  Athena really is my favorite MGM musical.  Go figure.

But Meet Me in St. Louis really is my second favorite.  

I'm also very fond of The Harvey Girls, The Pirate, Easter Parade, Silk Stockings and Show Boat.  But, if truth be told, I like the James Whale-directed original version better.  And again, being perfectly candid, I'd really like to say The Wizard of Oz, but I've always despised the last few minutes of the film; the horrible "it was all a dream" ending really takes away some of the impact of the movie, and you know Miss Gulch will be returning to collect Toto and have him put to sleep...
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Post by: George on January 19, 2004, 02:23:10 PM
[move=right,scroll,6,transparent,100%]~~~~Healing Vibes To Emily~~~~[/move]

The top several of my favorite MGM Musicals have all been mentioned:

Brigadoon (this was the very first musical that I was in in college)
Easter Parade
Meet Me In St. Louis
Seven Brides for Seven Brothers
Singing In the Rain
Victor/Victoria
(I got to see this live on Broadwy with Julie!)
The Wizard of Oz
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 19, 2004, 02:23:23 PM
DR EMILY - as Frau Bluecher said: "BE careful of the stairs...they are tweachewuss..."

Lovely pics of DR JANE and DH KEITH - the Italian pic is so nice...I want to go there!!!!

RE:  Nanette Fabray....yes she was a lovely talented lady who didn't get enough movie time....  I also like the recent story of her body mike turned on too soon at a stage show where upon she inquired of the stage manager (and the audience) in a good humored way:  "Where's my fucking ukelele?"
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Post by: George on January 19, 2004, 02:24:36 PM
I'm curious, which other revivals have new songs written for them?

A Little Night Music (London Judi Dench Revival)  combined the stage and film versions of The Glamorous Life into one song. Also a new number called Table Conversations (or something like that)

That version also used a bit of the cut song, "My Husband the Pig."
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Post by: Matt H. on January 19, 2004, 02:35:59 PM
For faithfulness to the original stage version James Whale's version is truly wonderful, and I am SO glad we have it.

For an entertaining "alternate take" on SHOW BOAT, I really love the 1951 version. And I think that the color in that version is among the grandest of any of the MGM Technicolor musicals (including SINGIN' IN THE RAIN and AN AMERICAN IN PARIS). That opening ballyhoo is just stunning to look at.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 19, 2004, 02:39:46 PM
ATHENA. I have that on laserdisc, too, and despite the beautiful beefcake, the score just doesn't thrill me enough to watch it that often. Maybe I haven't given it enough chances.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 19, 2004, 02:43:32 PM
Of course, the posts we have today are cherce, but I must say it's the deadliest day we've had in weeks.  Unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to cheerlead like usual, as I'm going to start actively proofing the galley soon.

Well, it's YOUR fault, bk! You kept everyone up way too late last night at the pajama party (or pyjama as it's written in SHERLOCK HOLMES AND THE SPIDER WOMAN.)

 ::)
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Post by: Jay on January 19, 2004, 02:49:50 PM
Miss Nanette Fabray will be appearing later this month in a staged reading of Driving Miss Daisy at the 87-seat theatre inside the John Anson Ford Amphitheatre in Hollywood.
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Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 03:09:09 PM
You mean people are still ASLEEP.  Wake 'em up!
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 19, 2004, 03:20:27 PM
Wow - I bet Nanette will be a great Miss Daisy!!!   ;D

And here is your Allison Hayes picture of the week - even though no revelations were forthcoming from Mr Walter Graumann  :(

From the movie Count Three and Pray with her co-star and lifelong friend Mr Raymond Burr.
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Post by: Noel on January 19, 2004, 03:32:44 PM
I've always loved BRIGADOON specifically for its fake sets.  I know Kelly wanted to film this on actual Scottish locations, but I think the reality would have ruined the fantasy element.  Mythical Brigadoon should look like a movie set...not any real place.  In fact, somewhere in the sixties, they actually did a production of BRIGADOON for TV with Bob Goulet and Peter Falk (in the best friend role) on real locations (I don't remember if they were Scottish locations or not), but it looked all washed out and flat and did not have the ethereal, otherwordly aura of Kelly's Brigadoon.  After all, is there anything more fantastical than "better than real life" M-G-M colour?  

Yes, as anyone who's visited Scotland can attest.  Parts of that beautiful country look like something out of a fairy tale, which, of course, is what inspired Alan Jay Lerner originally to write it.  There's also a present-day example of a director using his native New Zealand to depict an otherworldly world.  Would you rather that have been shot on a soundstage too?

Another revival with added songs: You're a Good Man Charlie Brown.
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Post by: Jay on January 19, 2004, 03:47:13 PM
I was reading about the films slated for 2004 release, and was dumbstuck by this item:  In the upcoming Alexander (about Alexander the Great), directed by Oliver Stone, Colin Farrell will play Alexander and Angelina Jolie, who is one year older than Mr. Farrell, will play his mother.

Can someone please explain this to me?  Were no actresses of a suitable age available for this role?
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Post by: Robin on January 19, 2004, 03:57:23 PM
Colin Farrell will play Alexander and Angelina Jolie, who is one year older than Mr. Farrell, will play his mother.  Can someone please explain this to me?  Were no actresses of a suitable age available for this role?

They're not expecting you to think about it.  Just enjoy it as mindlessly as you're expected to.  Don't ask questions.  They just get in the way of your enjoyment.  Take four red capsules.  In ten minutes, take two more.  Help is on the way.  Buy your tickets...and be happy.
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Post by: Maya on January 19, 2004, 04:00:52 PM
DR Maya, A STAR IS BORN was not MGM but rather Warner Bros.


Thanks for the correction, Matt!

Emily--Oh, sweetie, heal quickly and feel better soon!  Good painless vibes!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I love Nanette Fabray...I wish she had become a bigger star.

Hmmm...I'm listening to Myths and Hymns and trying to decide if I like it.
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Post by: Panni on January 19, 2004, 04:04:54 PM
I was reading about the films slated for 2004 release, and was dumbstuck by this item:  In the upcoming Alexander (about Alexander the Great), directed by Oliver Stone, Colin Farrell will play Alexander and Angelina Jolie, who is one year older than Mr. Farrell, will play his mother.
Can someone please explain this to me?  Were no actresses of a suitable age available for this role?

Nothing new in this. Wasn't Anne Bancroft around the same age as Dustin Hoffman when she played the scandalously older Mrs. Robinson?
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 19, 2004, 04:09:54 PM
Noel, try really dancing in the heather on the hill...I'm not denying Scotland's natural beauty, but filming...and filming a musical of all things...would have been exorbitant and unwieldy.  Also you'd have to contend with the dicey weather of the country.  I think MGM was wise in their decision not film it on location.  

Oh, and Peter Jackson was not above embellishing the natural wonder of his country with a lot of CGI help to make it beyond real.  Having frozen my butt on location and having worked on soundstages and backlots, I know where I like to be...that's not to say that some things just require the great outdoors.   But you know that entire Welsh coal mining village that they built on Twentieth's backlot didn't diminish How Green Was My Valley one bit for me.  Movies are dreams; I don't need 100% reality.  I like when they're better than real life.

Re: Nanette Fabray, just read this the other day in an Oscar Levant bio, A TALENT FOR GENIUS:  "Nanette Fabray had been brought to MGM to become their next Judy Garland - they had promised her a bright future in MGM musicals, but,sadly, that was not to be. The studio would break up after THE BAND WAGON and Fabray would miss out on her chance to star in other movie musicals, which she seemed born to.  A veteran of ten broadway shows but new to film, Fabray felt like an outsider among the film actors on the set.  Cyd Charisse was self-absorbed and aloof...To exacerbate matters, she felt that Levant had singled her out to be the butt of his sarcastic remarks.  Tensions ran so high on the set that when it was all over, Fabray suffered a nervous breakdown."

I met Ms. Fabray once when my show was going out of a theatre and hers was coming in.  She seemed like a very nice, vivacious lady and a total pro.  Of course, it didn't hurt that she was very complimentary about my performance.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 19, 2004, 04:14:08 PM
A film I think looks absolutely brilliant and was totally shot on soundstages and with sfx was Coppola's operatic, lush DRACULA.
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Post by: Ann on January 19, 2004, 04:19:32 PM
Wow I don't think I've EVER been so glad for a three day weekend to be over.  Back with the kids today, which is nice.  $$ is nice too.  
Topic of the day -
I'll chime in on Wizard of Oz, Singing In The Rain, and Easter Parade.  Those three made up probably 50% of my childhood movie watching.
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Post by: Jay on January 19, 2004, 04:26:23 PM
Nothing new in this. Wasn't Anne Bancroft around the same age as Dustin Hoffman when she played the scandalously older Mrs. Robinson?

True, Miss Bancroft is all of six years older than Mr. Hoffman.  In The Graduate, though, acting, lighting and makeup made the supposed age differential credible.  In the publicity shot for Alexander in yesterday's L.A. Times, Farrell and Jolie look like siblings.  Very attractive siblings of the same age.  Of course, their acting may convince us otherwise, but we'll have to wait for the film to be released for that.  Until then, I shall follow Dear Reader Robin's advice and go back to the pills and unquestioning admiration of all Hollywood product.
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Post by: td on January 19, 2004, 04:27:34 PM
Another thought about soundstages:  My feeling is if you're obsessing about the scenery and vistas, you're not in the story and it must be failing.  Drama is about people; not pretty pictures.

Excellent point, Mr. Pogue!
Ken Hanke over at the Scarlet Street forums could learn a lot from your few sentences; he's obsessing about the *unreality* of SINGIN' IN THE RAIN's sets, BUT, is reluctant to admit that his own thought betray him when it comes to the sets in MOULIN ROUGE! (that damned exclamation point is indeed a part of that film's title).
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Post by: Jennifer on January 19, 2004, 04:28:36 PM
OMG Emily, OUCH!!!!!!

Feel better.
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Post by: td on January 19, 2004, 04:33:27 PM
I was reading about the films slated for 2004 release, and was dumbstuck by this item:  In the upcoming Alexander (about Alexander the Great), directed by Oliver Stone, Colin Farrell will play Alexander and Angelina Jolie, who is one year older than Mr. Farrell, will play his mother.

Can someone please explain this to me?  Were no actresses of a suitable age available for this role?

With that kind of thinking, DR Jay, we never would have had Angela Lansbury as Laurence Harvey's mother. . .
(http://www.lynnpdesign.com/classicmovies/harvey/harvey641.jpg)
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Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 04:38:44 PM
Break from proofing.  The galley is actually in pretty good shape so far.  All the fixes are formatting issues and can really mostly be done globally.  
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Post by: Jay on January 19, 2004, 04:44:05 PM
With that kind of thinking, DR Jay, we never would have had Angela Lansbury as Laurence Harvey's mother. . .

O.K.  I'm outvoted.  I still think it's weird.  If you want to see the two of them in a publicity shot for the movie, click on the link:

http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/cl-ca-gritten18jan18,2,2623711.story (http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/cl-ca-gritten18jan18,2,2623711.story)
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 19, 2004, 04:49:09 PM
Good later afternoon/early evening!

Well, I've done nothing today. Well, almost nothing.  I walked to the grocery store, bought a few things, but mainly scouted out items and sales for my re-stock the fridge trip tomorrow.  -Oh, and I did also stop into 7-11 to buy a lottery ticket... One never knows...

Other than that, I've been catching up various things on and off line.... Looks like a good time to get back in to "The Young & The Restless".  ;-)

OH - Jason Graae is on the rerun of "Friends" that I'm watching right now - as a casting director for a soap opera.

But it was a nice walk, and I think I'm going to try to make that walk each day this week since the weather is supposed to dry this week here in Richmond.

And Healing Vibes to DR Emily!
*Hand injuries are a big "issue" for me. ;)
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on January 19, 2004, 05:20:00 PM
DR Emily, that sounds so painful. Hope you heal well and quickly.
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Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 05:44:42 PM
Some personages here at HHW are not keeping the home fries burning, are they?  They are SLACKING, aren't they?  Oh, well, fine.  We'll have an unexpected and thoroughly annoying new low today.  
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Post by: Panni on January 19, 2004, 05:49:42 PM
I have absolutely nothing to say, but I'll say it just to be of service. (I should've been  nun.) I'm just enjoying the blessed silence as the heavy construction has stopped for the day.
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Post by: Panni on January 19, 2004, 05:52:20 PM
BTW Jay - When I was still acting, I did an educational anti-smoking film in which I played a mother who sets a bad example for her kids by smoking. I was maybe all of 23 and my kids were around 10! They stuck a wig on me and I looked - like a 23-year-old in a wig.
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Post by: Danise on January 19, 2004, 05:59:53 PM
 Evening all!  Welcome to the newbies!  Hello, Tiff!

We were sort of talking about “Left Behind” the other day.  I was at Walmart and spotted the movie in the $5.00 bin so I bought it.  “Special Edition”   Can you say “Ahhh” “Ohooo”.  I’ll have to give it a look see and will let you know what I think.

Again, I am so sorry I missed the PJ party.  Maybe next time.

No one yet has chosen a Jeanette MacDonald/Nelson Eddy film as one of their favorites. If my father could have contributed to this thread, his #1 MGM choice would have been NAUGHTY MARIETTA which for him was always his favorite movie, musical or any other genre.

When I'm calling yooooooouuuuuu?  Sorry but that song cracks me up.  I sing it in the shower and the dogs howl.  I'd  howl if I could do both at once.   (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/lachen/laughing-smiley-014.gif)

Thank you for the good vibes, Jennifer.  I was really hoping this year wasn't going to be a repeat of last year.  

Emily, I'm so sorry to hear about your tumble and your hand!  I do hope your better soon!

Panni said:
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Jane - You were/are CUTE. (As was/is Keith.)
  I agree!  Very cute!


Robin Anderson said:

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And again, being perfectly candid, I'd really like to say The Wizard of Oz, but I've always despised the last few minutes of the film; the horrible "it was all a dream" ending really takes away some of the impact of the movie, and you know Miss Gulch will be returning to collect Toto and have him put to sleep...

I thought I was the only person who picked up on that!  Wow!  All that she went though and it really meant NOTHING because NOTHING in the real world had changed.  It was one big denial trip.  

Of course, it still didn't stop me from crying my eyes out everytime she said "Goodbye" to the Scarecrow.  I always started at that point through the credits.  

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Post by: S. Woody White on January 19, 2004, 06:10:50 PM
I hope I'm not wrong on this one, but I understand "An Old Fashioned Wedding" was not part of the original score for Annie Get Your Gun.
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 19, 2004, 06:15:26 PM
Tomorrow should be a busy day.  We've got to get me over to the Delaware DMV to get my ID card, and then it's off to the moving pictures to watch LOTR:ROTK.  Der Brucer is a little antsy about that one, because he hasn't had the chance to review the DVDs of the first two films, but I've promised him I'll explain what I can to him during the intermission.

It's a three-hour film.  It does have an intermission, right?  Right?   :o

Oh, and it's Seniors Tuesday at the outlet malls, so we've both got our discount cards in hand.
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 19, 2004, 06:19:55 PM
And this good news is over at Playbill-dot-com. (http://www.playbill.com/news/article/83867.html)
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Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 06:25:07 PM
S. Woody - correct - Old Fashioned Wedding was added to the Merman mid-sixties revival.
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Post by: Jay on January 19, 2004, 06:32:33 PM
Tomorrow should be a busy day.  We've got to get me over to the Delaware DMV to get my ID card, and then it's off to the moving pictures to watch LOTR:ROTK.  Der Brucer is a little antsy about that one, because he hasn't had the chance to review the DVDs of the first two films, but I've promised him I'll explain what I can to him during the intermission.

It's a three-hour film.  It does have an intermission, right?  Right?   :o

Oh, and it's Seniors Tuesday at the outlet malls, so we've both got our discount cards in hand.

Sorry.  No intermission.  And there's zero recap of what transpired in the first two films, so you'd best start your explaining now.
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 19, 2004, 06:39:16 PM
Sorry.  No intermission.  And there's zero recap of what transpired in the first two films, so you'd best start your explaining now.
Or I could just be really smug and not say a word!   ;D
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Post by: Jay on January 19, 2004, 06:41:21 PM
Actually, Dear Reader S. Woody White, may I suggest that you rent the first two films to watch with  DR Der Brucer first, before venturing into the theatre for ROTK?  I know you will resent the delayed satisfaction of seeing the third film, but if DR DB has not yet seen the first two, his enjoyment of Part III will be much diminished.

By the way (BTW in internet lingo), I think we may just hit 100 posts today.  
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Post by: Jay on January 19, 2004, 06:42:38 PM
Or I could just be really smug and not say a word!   ;D

And ply him with gallons of liquids before showtime.

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Post by: Danise on January 19, 2004, 06:47:33 PM
Well from the clock on the wall, it's time for bed.  Have a good evening you late posters, you!  Make lots of posts for me to read tomorrow when I get home from work!  
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Post by: Emily on January 19, 2004, 06:56:14 PM
thanks everyone for the good vibes!

maybe split open was too exaggerated an image for my actual injury.  it's really much more like a deep cut.  bad all the same, but not deadly...

am i the only one who is SHOCKED about iowa?  i like john edwards from what i have seen of him but what on earth do people see in john kerry?  i don't understand...

(american politics are so much more interesting than canadian ones.  here the same people win every single year.)

good night all!
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 19, 2004, 07:07:23 PM
Actually, Dear Reader S. Woody White, may I suggest that you rent the first two films to watch with  DR Der Brucer first, before venturing into the theatre for ROTK?  I know you will resent the delayed satisfaction of seeing the third film, but if DR DB has not yet seen the first two, his enjoyment of Part III will be much diminished.
Well, we've got them both on DVD in the extended editions, and I've already watched them both.  He's just not had the time.  Phooey and piddle, I say.  I want to get to the theater and see the film before they ship it off elsewhere, which is likely to happen if we aren't careful hereabouts.  (They've already cut it down from two screens to one.)  

The last time he kept delaying our seeing a film was with Master and Commander, which suddenly wasn't there any more.  And he was the one who wanted to see that!  I'd rather put up with his grumbling about not "getting" everything than have to put up with his sulks when I start grumbling about not getting anything!

And I can easily make it up to him by whipping up a fantastic dinner!
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 19, 2004, 07:09:55 PM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]just one hundred and fifty more posts!  godhood, here I come!  wheeeee![/move]
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: Jane on January 19, 2004, 07:16:35 PM
Actually, Dear Reader S. Woody White, may I suggest that you rent the first two films to watch with  DR Der Brucer first, before venturing into the theatre for ROTK?  I know you will resent the delayed satisfaction of seeing the third film, but if DR DB has not yet seen the first two, his enjoyment of Part III will be much diminished.

By the way (BTW in internet lingo), I think we may just hit 100 posts today.  

I agree.  I would have enjoyed watching them again before we saw Return of the King.
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Post by: Jane on January 19, 2004, 07:17:58 PM
BTW Jay - When I was still acting, I did an educational anti-smoking film in which I played a mother who sets a bad example for her kids by smoking. I was maybe all of 23 and my kids were around 10! They stuck a wig on me and I looked - like a 23-year-old in a wig.

Keith read your post with me so we both had a good laugh. :D
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Post by: Jane on January 19, 2004, 07:25:40 PM
Thanks for the compliment Danise.  Good luck at with round 2 next week.

Emily I haven't been able to gather the same enthusiasm and interest for our presidential race that you seem to have.  You put me to shame.

Do to the fact I didn’t get much sleep last night, I’m tired.  So I will be turning off the computer now.  Good night.
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Post by: Jane on January 19, 2004, 07:26:58 PM
Appears no one is there to talk to anyway. :D
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Post by: Michael on January 19, 2004, 08:08:44 PM
I was reading about the films slated for 2004 release, and was dumbstuck by this item:  In the upcoming Alexander (about Alexander the Great), directed by Oliver Stone, Colin Farrell will play Alexander and Angelina Jolie, who is one year older than Mr. Farrell, will play his mother.

Can someone please explain this to me?  Were no actresses of a suitable age available for this role?
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In the Olivier film of Hamlet I believe Eileen Herlie (Sp?) who played Gertrude was younger than Olivier!  Aslo wasn't Glenn Close a few older than Mel Gibson in his version and the same for Angela Lansbury and Laurence Harvey in the original version of The Manchurian Candidate? I am sure there are other examples as well
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 08:22:11 PM
Well, I really don't see any way this won't be our lowest day, unless the late-night denizens show up and have a rousing posting frenzy.  Very disappointing, but we go on.  Back to proofing.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 19, 2004, 08:32:11 PM
If you haven't seen the first two LORD OF THE RINGS films, or at least read the books, your experience with THE RETURN OF THE KING will be monumentally frustrating. I would take two evenings before you go to it to see each of the previous two films. Having the story fresh in your mind will be very beneficial. Besides, you'll be chomping at the bit to see what happens next after seeing THE TWO TOWERS, especially if, like me, you had no knowledge of how the trilogy was going to end.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 19, 2004, 08:34:08 PM
Well, I like ROSE MARIE, DR Danise. One must enter into those movies knowing that those operetta conventions are going to seem silly nowadays. That's one reason why you don't see those musicals revived on Broadway. They keep bringing back FIDDLER for another round.
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Post by: Jennifer on January 19, 2004, 08:35:34 PM
DR Emily: I'm curious, why were you using the stairs at Lionel Groulx? Is that where your bus transfers?

I don't think I've ever fallen down a flight of stairs in public. I'm curious, how many people were around. And did anybody offer to help you? (maybe some cute guys???) :)
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: Matt H. on January 19, 2004, 08:37:54 PM
No one mentioned BEST FOOT FORWARD, but I could have sworn someone around here a few weeks ago was raving about it. Perhaps that was somewhere else where I read that.
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: Matt H. on January 19, 2004, 08:41:07 PM
For those who saw AMERICAN IDOL auditions tonight: weren't you surprised they booted off the first young lady from the air force? She had a perky personality and could actually carry a tune. The young lady from Bulgaria that they accepted wasn't nearly as good. There were several very talented young men I was glad to see move on to the next round.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on January 19, 2004, 08:58:52 PM
I also liked Wizard of Oz.
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Post by: Jed on January 19, 2004, 09:01:40 PM
Laura has seen TWO movies!!!!! :D
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Post by: Matt H. on January 19, 2004, 09:03:37 PM
Well, it's after midnight. I wish I could hang around to push up the post totals, but my eyes are leaden, and I must go to bed. Hope the evening produces one of those infamous posting frenzies.
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: ArnoldMBrockman on January 19, 2004, 09:08:30 PM
I believe that SHOW BOAT in it's many reincarnations had songs added to the score.NOBODY ELSE BUT ME was in the newest revival,I think!!
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: td on January 19, 2004, 09:13:36 PM
Well, it's after midnight. I wish I could hang around to push up the post totals, but my eyes are leaden, and I must go to bed. Hope the evening produces one of those infamous posting frenzies.

No late night denizenning for me, either.
my voice is cracking. . .i hope i haven't caught my father's bug.
Chai Latte and bed for me. . .
Business meeting at 2pm tomorrow: the restaurant and the theater to join forces. . . we HOPE! ! !
Work meeting tomorrow night before re-opening the restaurant on Wednesday morning (new stations, new tables, new carpet, new furnace, new bar - -hopefully still the same ole servers!)

Y'all take care!  No more injuries!
Go watch an M-G-M Musical on dvd, videotape, laser or what have you! ! !

I'd also like to add that my favorite "M-G-M Musical" NOT made by M-G-M is Paramount's FUNNY FACE!
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Post by: td on January 19, 2004, 09:19:51 PM
Just noticed: where in tarnation is Tomovoz? ? ?
That Aussie boy had better get these home fires burning!
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 19, 2004, 09:38:19 PM
Just returned home td. I have run out of matches and I going through one of those quiet inspiration and interest free days. It's a good feeling to be missed. The Novello reference was delightful for those of us old enough to remember Ivor.
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Post by: ArnoldMBrockman on January 19, 2004, 09:41:49 PM
Tomovoz.

It just occured to me.

Sounds like a character in a Chekhov play.

Ah,I remember now...

Uncle Tomovoz!
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: Ann on January 19, 2004, 10:34:29 PM
For those who saw AMERICAN IDOL auditions tonight: weren't you surprised they booted off the first young lady from the air force? She had a perky personality and could actually carry a tune. The young lady from Bulgaria that they accepted wasn't nearly as good. There were several very talented young men I was glad to see move on to the next round.
I agree, I liked the air force girl.  I wasn't as pleased about the two brothers, though.  The first one was decent, the second, well, wasn't.
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: Panni on January 19, 2004, 10:35:13 PM
Well, for some reason I'm exhausted and I'm not going to fight it. Going to cuddle up with my dog and a book. G'night, all.
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Post by: George on January 19, 2004, 10:39:40 PM
I went to my parents' for dinner and my sister's boyfriend set up their new computer.  I added games that they like to play.  They also got a new laser printer.  Oooo...pretty cool!

I didn't watch American Idol, but I had planned on being home in time, but I didn't.  Anyway, I'm watching Average Joe and they're just about to add the hunks.  They are so pompous and KNOW that they're going to get the girl.  They've made the Average Joes the total sentimental favorites.  I want one of them to win, if only to show off the hunks.  We'll see what happens!
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Post by: George on January 19, 2004, 10:50:59 PM
Only 11 more posts and we beat our lowest day!  PPPUUUSSSHHH!!!  And, yes, this is sort of a vanity post:  two more (after this) and I hit 600 posts!
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: Ann on January 19, 2004, 10:59:10 PM
I can't add 11 more posts...but I can throw in one more before i go to bed! :)  I'm off to start reading Wicked
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 10:59:40 PM
People cuddling up with books and dogs.  People errant and truant.  What in tarnation IS going on here?  Skammen, as Ingmar Bergman once said.  I do feel we'll just eke by, but what is this eke stuff?  Enough with the eke - we are kings not knaves.  
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 11:00:39 PM
I just watched a wonderful movie I'd never seen or really heard of before - Kon Icikawa's An Actor's Revenge from 1963.  I'll write about it in the notes for tomorrow, but wow is all I have to say.
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 11:00:52 PM
Ichikawa.
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Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 11:02:00 PM
You know what - perhaps if LauraII and Jed would STOP IT, STOP THEIR INFERNAL CANOODLING AND PRIVATE DISCUSSIONS, perhaps then we'd get some actual posts here.
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: George on January 19, 2004, 11:04:34 PM
Ichikawa.

Bless you.
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 11:26:53 PM
They're STILL at it, our LauraII and Jed.  Still to busy to help out and post.  I'm SHOCKED, do you hear, SHOCKED.
Title: Re:THIS DEEP DAY
Post by: Tomovoz on January 19, 2004, 11:30:22 PM
So where did Jed got to? Is Laura II dangerous to know? He has disappeared. OK That is non-sensical but I thought another post might be useful.
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Post by: Laura II on January 19, 2004, 11:30:54 PM
BK, Jed is not online, so I am not talking to him. :) My friend Matt was online earlier, though, so he was occupying some of my time and attention.

Tiffie is leaving for school tomorrow! :( She may be errant and truant for lengths of time due to schoolwork and such. Who knows? Not me! Not I! Not me! Not me! (Oh, a Peter Pan reference!)

MGM musicals: I realized that the only one I've seen is The Wizard of Oz, and I'm not a huge fan of it.

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Post by: Tomovoz on January 19, 2004, 11:34:16 PM
I watched a small part of a DVD of LOTR - ROTK today. Obviously not a legal product. The first scene is missing. I wonder if it taken from an earlier pre film release version and that the introduction was a recent addition (And a good IMHO) by Mr Jackson who has been nominated for the David Lean award for excellence in the BAFTAs (as of course has the film for and Award or 10)
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Post by: bk on January 19, 2004, 11:35:06 PM
Jed WAS online and you know how my mind works.  Now, if you haven't seen Singin' in the Rain, you must take your hard-earned rubles and get the new special edition DVD.  You will watch with mouth agape.

But first, you must read, if you get my drift.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 19, 2004, 11:36:24 PM
Lowest number of posts NOT.  Good night all.
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Post by: Laura II on January 19, 2004, 11:43:19 PM
BK, I read one book. I then let Tiff borrow that book. I must read another book too.
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Post by: George on January 19, 2004, 11:47:42 PM
My 600th Post!  Today is not the day with the lowest number of posts.  There were two days were there were only 135 posts.

And if anyone doesn't want to spend their hard earned rubles to buy "Singing In the Rain" if they haven't seen it, you can either check it out from your local library (said the library employee) or your library can get it through "Inter-Library Loan" (but you must specify the newest special edition) where it may be borrowed from a library in a different part of the country, or even a different part of the world!  One time I got a book that came from a library in Scotland and another time from one in England.  That way you won't have to spend money...unless your library charges for these services, which mine doesn't.