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Title: THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: bk on January 30, 2004, 12:07:23 AM
Very well then, you've read today's notes, you are with it and happening and in the loop, you are in the know and ahead of the curve, so it's time for posting whilst being in the know.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: George on January 30, 2004, 12:37:16 AM
New notes who?

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]HAPPY  BIRTHDAY  MICHAEL  SHAYNE!![/move]

And did you notice that there's another milestone with today's notes:  it's the 100th "Daily Discussions" topic on the revamped (notice I didn't say "new") board!  On to the 200th...then the 1000th!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: S. Woody White on January 30, 2004, 02:18:27 AM
I'm not sure I like BK putting down Wussenbergs.  I went to college with Robert Wussenberg.  I happen to like the fellow.  So there!

[move=up,scroll,6,transparent,100%]HappyBirthdayMichael[size=10]Shayne![/size][/move]
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: S. Woody White on January 30, 2004, 02:26:03 AM
There's nothing new on any of our electronic equipment.  We're still waiting for the moving van to arrive, so we can have old stuff on our electronic equipment.  *sigh*

But der Brucer and I have agreed that neither of us is technogeek enough to want a wide screen television over adding to our DVD collection.  We have our priorities, it seems.

That, and we had a marvy conversation with one of the waitresses at the Purple Parrot this evening, whose name is Violet.  (There's something appropriate about that.  The other woman who works there is named Heather, which is also coloristically right.)  Violet got us wonderfully snockered on Rob Roys.  I can't wait until we get to talk with her again, because she knows lots of local history and makes a great Rob Roy!
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 30, 2004, 02:47:06 AM
And BK, next time you're doing a recipe day, could you give me a little warning ahead of time?  I felt like I was having to scramble a bit with yesterday's posts.

Let's try for one more, just to keep people salivating:

Won Ton Soup (or at least one version) serving six.

In a food processor, pulse 6 water chestnuts, 1/4 lb lean pork (minced), 1/2 t salt, 1/2 t pepper, 2 t cornstarch, and 1 t Asian sesame oil until well blended.  This should be enough to fill 24 won tons.

Lay out 24 won ton skins.  Spoon about 1/2 t filling in the center of each won ton.  Brush the edges lightly with 1 egg, beaten with 1 T water, and fold the corners over to make a triangle, enclosing the filling.  Press the edges well to seal.  Dab a little egg wash on one corner and stick it to the opposite corner, making a "little hat".  (Think of it as an Asian tortellini!)  Place the won tons on a floured cookie sheet and cover with a clean towel.

MEANWHILE, take 3 cups chicken stock, flavored with a slice of fresh ginger, a chopped scallion, and 2 t soy sauce, and bring to a simmer.

In a separate pot, bring 10 c water to a boil.  Add won tons, cook until they rise to the surface, about 2 to 3 minutes.  Using a slotted spoon, transfer the cooked won tons to the simmering soup.

Spoon 4 won tons to each of 6 soup bowls, and ladle the hot broth over the won tons.  Garnish with a drizzle of Asian sesame oil and some minced scallions, and serve.

...

By the way, we ended up not having the brisket.  We agreed it would take too long to braise, and have put it off for a day.  (But it will happen, with potato pancakes and applesauce!  And we aren't Jewish, or joggers!)  Instead, we ended up at the Rehoboth Diner and had wonderful diner food, along with dish from our waitress, who is named Rose.  Another flower!  What is it with waitresses names in this town?
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Michael on January 30, 2004, 04:08:51 AM
Thanks for all the good wishes, but my birthday is tomorrow. BUT actually I won't be around tomorrow as I am off to Orlando. Some friends are taking me to Universal Studios for the weekend.

ALSO today is the 100TH POST of the new board!!!!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Ben on January 30, 2004, 05:29:26 AM
Michael Shayne, Happy Day a day early. Enjoy Orlando

You made post number 24,247.

MG: So sorry to hear about the sad things. I hope  your birthday made it a little bit better.

A nicer couple than Kerry and MG you could not find, even with the help of Sherlock Holmes.

And now I will post a final picture (or two) of our trip to England. As I have said many times, we had a most wonderful and amazing time. The end of the trip, however, turned into a real treat because we were UPGRADED to Business Class with "truly flat beds" as the adverts say. Don't know why we were upgraded but we were and we were not going to complain. Here is a picture of us, taken by the very accomodating flight attendant, enjoying our sumputous dinner on real china with alcohol and drinks in real glasses (no real flatware but we didn't expect that). What an experience.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Ben on January 30, 2004, 05:31:01 AM
We also had private entertainment centers with a choice of about 18 movies, a phone with a screen on which we could play our choice of games, radio shows, television shows and as I mentioned, very attentive flight attendants. We were feeling a little down because our special trip was over but this made us feel as giddy as kids.
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Post by: Ben on January 30, 2004, 05:33:51 AM
In fact, this is how giddy we were.
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Post by: Ben on January 30, 2004, 05:37:32 AM
Listening to the Rainbow and Stars Jerry Herman show with the ever lovely and talented Miss Karen Morrow (an HWW favorite).

Tonight we will watch Two's Company, the 1975 Elaine Stritch Britcom where she plays an American ex-pat in London. She hires a very proper English servant and their interactions make up the comedy. Channel 21, one of the public television stations in the NYC area began running it again and we were lucky enough to catch the first episode. It's on Thursday evening at 8:30. Since Ant has a dance class at that time, we tape it and watch it on Friday or Saturday. With careful taping, we may be able to see the entire series (this is the third episode).
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Ben on January 30, 2004, 05:39:33 AM
There is a plethora (or is that "are", Matt H. former English teacher, help!!!) of birthdays on the horizon.
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Post by: Kerry on January 30, 2004, 06:02:00 AM
Ben and Ant-- you DO look giddy>  And no wonder-- such deluxe accommodations!

"Avenue Q" is in my car CD player at the moment.  The 4th season of "The Sopranos" and the first season of "Soap" are in the DVD.

And issue #49  of "Scarlet Street" is on the breakfast table waiting for me and my cereal.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Kerry on January 30, 2004, 06:06:46 AM
Today is our Bassset Hound's birthday.  Even though she is romping in the meadows in the Big Milk Bone in the Sky (where I will join her and Mazal and Buffy), it is STILL her birthday.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Kerry on January 30, 2004, 06:08:08 AM
Here's another one on a vacation.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Kerry on January 30, 2004, 06:10:19 AM


A nicer couple than Kerry and MG you could not find, even with the help of Sherlock Holmes.


There was very sweeet of you to say.  I don't know why you said it, but it's very sweet.  Between that and seeing Doris, I'll be smiling all day.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Kerry on January 30, 2004, 06:11:05 AM
OK, so I messed up the quote box, but the message is still the same.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Ben on January 30, 2004, 06:15:41 AM
I said it because it's true, you silly! ;D
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Post by: William E. Lurie on January 30, 2004, 06:50:29 AM
Michael - I hope you enjoy your birthday trip to Universal Orlando.  Have you been there before?  It was the most disappointing theme park I ever visited.  I love Universial California because it is a theme park built around an actual movie studio, but in Florida it is a theme park where they do a little filming so they can call it a movie studio.  Many of the attractions that are part of the tram tour in California have individual lines to wait in (there is no tram tour in Orlando).  With so many other theme parks in the area, it's definitely second tier.  Still the fun is made by the people you are with, so you will probably have a good time anyway as long as you know what to expect.

Ben & Anthony - Thanks for alerting me to the Stritch series which I haven't seen in years.  Channel 21 certainly didn't publicize its return and it was not mentioned in any of the NY papers.

CD - Two soundtracks that were released this week:  One is wonderful - "The Triplets of Belleville" - and makes me want to see the film again.  The other - the 50s remake of "Anything Goes" - is a strange mixture of Cole Porter (both from the show of the same name and other songs he wrote) and songs written specifically for the movie by others (plus some non-Porter songs Bing sang in the 30s version of the film).  Entertaining, but it certainly didn't make me want to rush out and find the movie.

DVD - Once again a plethora of new titles from which I will have to choose what to watch.  These include "Rules of the Game", the Harburg/Harnick volume of the songwriters series, Mark Hamil's direct-to-DVD "Comic Book Movie", and the "Jeckyl & Hyde" with both the March and Tracy versions.

VHS - Ready for this Sunday's "The L Word", unintentional camp at its best.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 06:59:51 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]Happy Birthday to

Michael Shayne ∧


enjoy the Magic Kingdom!!!
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Good wishes to MG!

Lovely pictures as usual from Ben and Ant!

DVD player:  LOTR Fellowship.  And later I will watch Two Towers again.

VCR:  A couple of Perry Mason cases I am taping for some friends.  One featuring Miss Beverly Garland  :P and the other with Miss Allison Hayes  ;D.

CD:  Florence Foster Jenkins!  For the first and only time.

Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Ben on January 30, 2004, 07:00:43 AM
Re the Stritch series. I'm surprised Channel 21 didn't make any kind of announcement. We wouldn't have known except that Anthony's parents live on Long Island and watch 21 regularly so Rose taped the first episode and told us that it was back on the schedule.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: MBarnum on January 30, 2004, 07:13:14 AM
Happy Pre-Birthday DR Michael Shayne! Have fun on your real Birthday! (well, you can actually have fun today as well!)

DVD player: Laurel and Hardy DVD with THE MUSIC BOX, SONS OF THE DESERT, and some other choice shorts! Love those guys!

VHS: NIGHT NURSE with Babs Stanwyck, Joan Blondell, and an evil Clark Gable!

CD: Some current Bollywood soundtracks that I won off of Ebay.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: MBarnum on January 30, 2004, 07:14:11 AM
And DR Kerry, happy birthday to the dear departed pup! She was a cutie!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jennifer on January 30, 2004, 07:34:58 AM
It's funny but when Bruce announced the birthday in the notes, my first reaction was to think maybe I should check the calendar :)

Maybe you should get the calendar changed so it looks like a tradition calendar. It is a bit confusing (especially when you're writing the notes the day before). But I always go by the date to help me.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jennifer on January 30, 2004, 07:39:48 AM
Oh and since MS won't be reading tomorrow, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
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Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 07:44:33 AM
That, and we had a marvy conversation with one of the waitresses at the Purple Parrot this evening, whose name is Violet.
In the "what a coincidence" category.... A couple of years ago I wrote THE EMERALD PARROT, a marvy (in my opinion) mystery set in San Francisco. The Emerald Parrot in the script was the name of an old hotel/bar in North Beach where the detective who was the film's hero lived (upstairs) and hung out (in the bar). I came up with what I thought was an evocative name and then had great fun constructing the place (and its history) in my imagination. I also had great fun writing the piece, as I got to work closely with Fred Silverman, one of the legends of television.
Hard as it may be to believe, I had never in my life been to San Francisco when I wrote the movie. So when I did get to North Beach for real just recently, I was amazed at how right I had gotten it. The movie, BTW, did not get made. It happens sometimes that the good ones get away. But it's not a total loss as I had a really interesting work experience with Silverman, had fun writing, have a good script for my agent to show if a sample of a certain kind of writing is needed, got paid, and had the subject for a post on HHW.

Happy almost birthday, Michael Shayne!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 07:51:49 AM
...And congratulations to the Happy Hebrew on the two miles!
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Post by: Matt H. on January 30, 2004, 07:51:54 AM
[move=up,scroll,6,transparent,100%]HAPPY BIRTHDAY[/move]


[move=down,scroll,6,transparent,100%]DR and Dear Friend MICHAEL SHAYNE !!!![/move]
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Post by: Matt H. on January 30, 2004, 07:56:37 AM
I read this in VARIETY this morning. I've shortened the news release so it won't be so tedious for those who are not fans.

"Warner Home Video will release seven classic Marx Brothers movies for the first time on DVD, with the five discs due out May 4.
Centerpiece of the collection is "A Night at the Opera." The 1935 production is the first Marx Brothers movie for which Warner owns distribution rights through its MGM library

Leonard Maltin, who recorded an audio commentary for the movie on laserdisc, has recorded a new commentary for the DVD, while "The Marx Brothers Encyclopedia" author Glenn Mitchell provides audio commentary for "A Day at the Races" (1937). Both films also feature an original documentary about the Marx Brothers.

Those two movies and "A Night in Casablanca" (1946) will be available on separate discs. The other two discs will feature two movies apiece, pairing "Room Service" (1938) with "At the Circus" (1939) and "Go West" (1940) with "The Big Store" (1941).

Each disc includes an assortment of vintage MGM shorts of the era and other bonus features.

WHV senior veep of classic catalog George Feltenstein said although each disc can be purchased separately at a suggested per-disc price of $19.97, the studio priced the entire package at $59.92 to encourage collectors to own all seven films."


I ADORE the Marx Brothers. True, their Paramount films made before their reign at MGM were superior to these, but I love all of their MGM titles, even the later, weaker one like THE BIG STORE and GO WEST. I have them all on videotape, and now I can trade up.

In the same article was a mention that Universal is presently working on their five Marx Bros. films for release later in the year to coincide with the 75th anniversary of the release of THE COCOANUTS.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 30, 2004, 08:01:22 AM
Media alert:

CD - Miklos Rozsa: MADAME BOVARY (burned for me by DR Ron since I love the composer and this score especially)

VDR - last night's reruns of FRIENDS and WILL & GRACE

DVD - PLAZA SUITE to be followed by the Sherlock Holmes set I mentioned last night: THE WOMAN IN GREEN, PURSUIT TO ALGIERS, TERROR BY NIGHT, and DRESSED TO KILL.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Laura II on January 30, 2004, 08:05:01 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]Happy almost birthday, Michael Shayne! [/move] [/size]
Enjoy Orlando!
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Post by: Matt H. on January 30, 2004, 08:25:07 AM
I am also reading WICKED and really enjoying it. I'm reading fairly slowly savoring every little nuance of the weaving together of the OZ legends and this new interpretation.
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on January 30, 2004, 08:25:12 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]HAPPYBIRTHDAYMICHAELHAPPYBIRTHDAYMICHAEL[/move]
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Post by: Noel on January 30, 2004, 08:38:44 AM
I get nostalgic about the old Universal City Studios Tour because, when I first saw it, that's what it was: a tram- and walking- tour through a working studio that scratched the itch of people who actually wanted to know how movies were made.  There were no "rides" although I do remember a stunt man's demonstration involving cowboys falling off of three-story buildings.

In the DVD player is a Carol Burnett clip show, highlighting some of those moments when they broke each other up.  Carol takes questions from the audience, just as she did when I was in the audience as a little kid.

Cds: Mr. Wonderful (Original Broadway Cast) and 2 I'm listening to for work: A Judy Garland compilation (some song about a barber named Figaro) and the Andrew Lippa Wild Party

2 Wild Party numbers will be in the Circle in the Square graduating musical theatre class show on February 12 at 7.  It's free and there are no tickets: Just walk in to The Circle in the Square Theatre on Broadway and you'll be very entertained.
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Post by: Jay on January 30, 2004, 08:58:56 AM
I was errant and truant yesterday evening, Dear Readers, as I travelled down to Orange County to catch a presentation of Mr. Stephen Sondheim's Follies.  This production was mounted by the California Conservatory of the Arts, an eighteen month old organization devoted to training young adults (grades 6-12) in the areas of Dance, Film, Musical Theatre and several other allied arts.

Last night's show was the Conservatory's public debut presentation.  The event was originally planned as a concert version of Follies, with piano accompaniment, directed by faculty member Miss Teri Ralston.  Ambition (and someone's deep pockets, apparently) took over, and the event evolved into a fully staged production, with a 20-piece orchestra and several of Miss Ralston's friends in the adult parts.

The evening began with Mr. John Raitt being awarded an honorary plaque from the city of Santa Ana (of which he is a native) announcing that, in honor of his efforts to bring musical education and enjoyment to children and adults around the world, January 29 was officially John Raitt Day in the city of Santa Ana.  The audience was then prompted to sing "Happy Birthday," as yesterday also happened to be Mr. Raitt's 87th birthday.  Though he still has his dashing good looks and head of snowy white hair, Mr. Raitt did appear to be somewhat unsteady on his feet.

Then on to the show.  As far as I can tell, except for some trims to the Loveland sequence introduction, this was a complete Follies.  

Mr. Raitt "played" Dmitri Weismann.  That is, he delivered his lines from behind a podium, reading them from the script in front of him.  (Everyone else was off-book and freer to move around the stage.)

Miss Ralston did a fine job as Sally, and was quite effective in "Losing My Mind."  Miss Stephanie Zimbalist presented a Phyllis that was more glib than icy.  She struggled with some of the music, but handled her lines with aplomb.  ("The Story of Lucy and Jessie" was used as Phyllis' Folly.)  Kurt Peterson, who played Young Ben in the original production of Follies, was Ben in this production, and was rather subdued in both the vocal and acting departments.  His big emotional moments did not come across very credibly.  Harvey Evans, who played Young Buddy in the original production of Follies, completely filled the role of Buddy last night.  His and Miss Ralston's performances were the most well-rounded of the evening.

With her shock of bright red hair and wad of chewing gum in her mouth, Miss Beth Hansen provided a loud, wisecracking Stella as she led the ensemble in "Who's That Woman?"  Miss Molly Melachouris sang a very touching "One More Kiss," joined by a very sweet voiced Young Heidi played by one of the young members of the Conservatory.  Miss Jonelle Allen apparently subscribes to the notion that playing broader is better; I thought her Solange was embarrassing.  Worse, she insisted on singing "Ah Paris!" either ahead of or behind the beat but never, ever with it.  I feared a trainwreck, but an astute (and uncredited) conductor saved the day.  Completely charming as Hattie was Miss Betty Garrett, though I would have liked to have heard a little bit more oomph in her "Broadway Baby."

Miss Julie Wilson was cast as Carlotta.  Thin as a rail and extremely frail looking, Miss Wilson took a pass on the descent down the stairway during "Beautiful Girls," and always had someone at her arm as she moved about the stage.  That is, until she was left alone at the footlights for her big number.  Miss Wilson found her energy at that moment, Dear Readers, and put it to memorable use.  She bit off "I'm Still Here" whole, chewed it up but good, and spat out the most thrillingly proud and defiant rendition of the song I have ever heard.  It deservedly earned the biggest ovation of the evening.

Roscoe and all the younger versions of the adult characters were taken by members of the Conservatory, and they all turned in admirable performances.

There was a simple unit set with the obligatory staircase stage center.  Constrained, no doubt, by brief rehearsal time and the terpsichorean limitations of the older players, the less said about the ensemble choreography, the better.  "Bolero D'Amour," however, was pleasantly danced by the two couples.  Costuming was effective, with several young Weisman Girls dressed in Erte-like creations appearing during the opening of the show.  Strangely (at least to my eye), the ensemble was done up in 18th century court costume and wigs for the opening of the Loveland sequence.

A polished Broadway-ready Follies?  Hardly.  Good to hear Sondheim's score in a live presentation?  Of course.  An enjoyable evening in the theatre with some memorable moments?  Yewbetcha.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 09:06:47 AM
Thanks DRJay!  Sounds like a well-spent evening!  
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Post by: Matt H. on January 30, 2004, 09:07:14 AM
Thank you, DR Jay, for a thorough assessment of FOLLIES. Glad to hear there were parts quite worthy of the material. It's always a toss-up between this and SWEENEY TODD as my favorite musical.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on January 30, 2004, 09:19:39 AM
(some song about a barber named Figaro)

(http://images.disneysites.com/clipart/images77/Movies/Pinocchio/Figaro/figaro01a.gif)

Now I'm a barber?
A little off the top, sir?

der Brucer (hoping the dogs aren't watching)
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: William E. Lurie on January 30, 2004, 09:22:04 AM
Jrand - Do I take it from your comment that you didn't care for Ms Jenkins?  She is an acquired taste.

Jay - Thanks for the FOLLIES report.  I worked with Julie Wilson in stock over 40 years ago and she is not only talented but also one of the nicest stars I have ever met.  When one of the scenery builders thought she was someone else from behind and proceeded to  take the electric sander to her ass as a gag (not really dangerous) she laughed whereas most other stars would have had him fired.  This theatre had one private star dressing room and then two large dresing rooms for the rest of the cast (divided by gender).  Julie decided that despite star billing, Lalume in KISMET was not the star role and insisted the actor playing Haaj (Paul Ukena) take it while she dressed with all the other women.  If she had not taken off almost twenty years to raise her children, she would probably be a much bigger name today.  What a wonderful lady.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on January 30, 2004, 09:33:00 AM

...an assortment of vintage MGM shorts of the era and other bonus features...


Speaking of shorts with bonus features:

(http://www.internationalmale.com/HanoverAssets/intmale/product_images/l411zz_2.jpg)
der Haberdashing Brucer
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: bk on January 30, 2004, 09:40:17 AM
Glad to hear about Follies.  When you posted the cast list, I'm also glad to see I guessed right about who would be doing what.  

Now, where in tarnation IS everyone?  And furthermore, I really don't "get" how I'm early on Shayne's birthday.  I cannot read our calendar - when I was early on MusicGuy's birthday I went in and looked - I originally had Shayne's written down as Saturday, but since I was wrong on MusicGuy I moved it because it looked like, according to our stupd calendar, that it was on Friday.  
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Post by: Jennifer on January 30, 2004, 09:45:53 AM
Thanks DR Jay for that great theatre report. I have never seen Follies live :(
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Post by: Jennifer on January 30, 2004, 09:49:04 AM
Traditional calendars go Sunday, M, T, W, Th, F, then Saturday. The HHW starts M, T, W, Th, F, S, Sun.

Oh well, now everyone gets two birthday parties! :)
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Post by: MBarnum on January 30, 2004, 09:58:08 AM
DR Matth, thanks for the good news regarding the Marx Bros. DVDs. Hmmm...more money to spend! Some of those films I have not seen since I was a wee kidling or at least a teeny-bopper.

I do own one of the previous dvd releases... Coconuts...which is actually one of my least favorites.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 10:01:11 AM
LOL DR WEL - and it is one I have not yet acquired.  However I think after awhile, I may try again.

DerBrucer thanks for the Figaro picture!  DRTCB are those some of the selected shorts they are always talking about?
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Post by: William E. Lurie on January 30, 2004, 10:07:45 AM
I just read that PBS is doing a Judy Garland special on 2/25 (may be different in different cities) featuring some of the tapes Judy made when she was thinking of writing her autobiography and "rare footage" from MGM.  If these are the same tapes that have surfaced on CD, it should be a hell of a show.  And since PBS usually doesn't have their quarterly begathons during sweeps, it should be shown uninterupted by pledge breaks.
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Post by: William F. Orr on January 30, 2004, 10:08:19 AM
To begin with first things first:

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%][size=+3]HAPPY ONE-DAY-EARLY BIRTHDAY, MR. MICHAEL SHANE!![/size][/move]

And Many Happy Returns! (Oh, a The Prisoner reference!)

And second things second:

I hereby nominate myself for the Errant and Truant Award and also for the Truant and Errant Award.  The explanations are many, but mainly two.

[size=+1]T[/size]he Unpleasant Business (UB) has been getting down to the wire lately, which has required much paperwork, meetings with attorneys and others, court appearances, general worry and frazzle, together with the need for much hugging and cuddling around our house.  Next Wednesday, 4 February, will be the final court appearance--the "Sentencing Hearing".  I am biting my nails (4D, Common) in fear that my Joe may become a prisoner pent (oh, a Gilbert and Sullivan reference!), which is what the ADA, Judge Dread, and the Probation Officer seem to want.  Hopefully, reports of his medical condition will put the fear of G*d into them.

Meanwhile, the lovely and vivacious Mr. and Mrs. Macbeth next door seem to be living it up and immune to punishment for their sins, which are many.

Least I cease to dwell on the poor-me syndrome long enough, let me add that Joe's mother's health is deteriorating, and he has been spending a lot of time caring for her, as she needs an adult in the house 24/7, and her daughter, whose house it is, works two jobs.

Well, there's enough for at least a season of The Guiding Light in all that.  

[size=+1]A[/size]nyway, I'm back at work today, and classes start on Monday, so hopefully I will be able to squeeze time in to do some hhwing from now on.  I just caught up on all of BK's notes.  But the posts?  Aaargh!  Forget it.  I will peruse the back posts from time to time, but I need to do all the reading I can just to stay in the same place.

Am listening to Donald's Faith show (not Prince), and heartily enjoying it.  Well done, Donald.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: bk on January 30, 2004, 10:11:29 AM
Of course, being intimitely involved with the machinations of people who are not very nice, I know exactly whereof Mr. Orr speaks.  We send him our most excellent vibes and xylophones.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 10:12:20 AM
Good vibes to WFO and Joe.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: bk on January 30, 2004, 10:23:29 AM
I have been contacted by one of the "types" I spoke of in my CD comments today - he informs me that I am incorrect that Hawaii was a stereo film - he informs me that UA ran out of money and released it as a mono film.  I honestly don't remember, and I didn't see the film on its initial release at the Egyptian.  I only know it was treated as a "big" film and therefore I find it hard to believe what he's telling me.  The imdb lists it as a stereo film, although they certainly have been wrong on many occasions.  The score, however, most certainly would have been recorded in stereo, and those masters most certainly have gone missing.  
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jay on January 30, 2004, 10:25:06 AM
Good wishes and vibes to DR WFO and Joe.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: bk on January 30, 2004, 10:38:13 AM
I see perusers, I see lurkers, I see dead people, but I don't see POSTS (well, I see cherce posts, of course, but we could have so many more cherce posts with all these people checking out the posts).  

Can anyone illuminate whether Hawaii was originally presented as stereo?
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: William F. Orr on January 30, 2004, 10:42:05 AM
And on a lighter note:

During my sinfully long break from classes, I have managed to read Mr. Ted Chapin's delightfully informative Everything Was Possible:  The Birth of the Musical Follies and Mr. Ethan Mordant[sic]'s informative and much more bitchy One More Kiss: The Broadway Musical in the 1970s.

Now what are the chances that two books with titles taken from the same show would be published in the same year?

[size=+2]I[/size] read Wicked during the trial last year and have only recently purchased the CD, but not seen the show.  And I have some questions for those familiar with both.  Specifically, what is done to the character of Fiyero in the musical?  He marries--Glinda?  And how does he die?  (Hope that's not a spoiler!)  And we hear Elphaba's reaction in the score, but what about Glinda's?

So my reaction to the score itself is very positive.  We have an Evita funeral-cum-flashback opening, but mercifully not as long.  Songs I was particularly taken with:  "Not that Girl", "Defying Gravity", "Dancing Through Life" (the entire musical scene built around it), "For Good".  I think any one of these would zoom to the top of the pop charts if only songs from musicals could zoom to the top of the pop charts as they did in days gone by.  (A couple would have been recorded by major artists before the show opened, a la "If He Walked into My Life".)

Schwartz is, as usual, awfully eclectic.  The only thing that rankled me a bit was his surfeit of internal rhymes--good yes, but sometimes just a bit show-offy.

Who am I, John Simon all of a sudden?  No.  Rudy Dedescu.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: William F. Orr on January 30, 2004, 10:43:46 AM
BK:

Joe and I spent a month in Hawai'i in 1996, and it was all in stereo.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: William F. Orr on January 30, 2004, 10:48:27 AM
Dear Reader Kerry:

Who is that handsome man holding Doris?
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Emily on January 30, 2004, 10:48:33 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen... THE "I HATE WRITING PAPERS" DANCE:

*dance dance dance vomit dance dance procrastinate procrastinate dance dance grrrrr dance dance light coursepack on fire*

Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: TCB on January 30, 2004, 10:50:58 AM
Thank you, DR Jay, for a thorough assessment of FOLLIES. Glad to hear there were parts quite worthy of the material. It's always a toss-up between this and SWEENEY TODD as my favorite musical.

I truly love the score of Follies, but I just don't think the show works as a whole.  The Loveland section seems to confuse more people than it entertains.  Even when I saw an excellent production at the 5th Avenue in Seattle (Judy Kaye, Maxine Andrews, Edie Adams) the audience which was totally into the first act, left the theater after the show shaking their heads.  Still I never tire of the music.

On the other hand, Sweeney Todd is, for me, a complete theater experience.  When I first saw the show on Broadway, even the Uris Theater seemed to have been designed as part of the experience.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: MBarnum on January 30, 2004, 10:54:19 AM
DR Em, it is nice to see you dancing again! LOL!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jennifer on January 30, 2004, 10:55:18 AM
I am biting my nails (4D, Common) in fear that my Joe may become a prisoner pent (oh, a Gilbert and Sullivan reference!)...  

This may sound dumb, but what does a "prisoner pent" mean?

Good vibes to DR WFO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jay on January 30, 2004, 11:06:08 AM
I truly love the score of Follies, but I just don't think the show works as a whole.  The Loveland section seems to confuse more people than it entertains.  Even when I saw an excellent production at the 5th Avenue in Seattle (Judy Kaye, Maxine Andrews, Edie Adams) the audience which was totally into the first act, left the theater after the show shaking their heads.  Still I never tire of the music.

On the other hand, Sweeney Todd is, for me, a complete theater experience.  When I first saw the show on Broadway, even the Uris Theater seemed to have been designed as part of the experience.

You'd have no quibbles from me that Sweeney Todd is a far more successfully unified theater piece, with its linear narrative, in both words and song.

But, oh, those songs in Follies!  And, if it's the right production, watching those stars of a certain age belt their hearts out and wiggle their fannies is very special treat!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: George on January 30, 2004, 11:15:34 AM
Of course, being intimitely involved with the machinations of people who are not very nice, I know exactly whereof Mr. Orr speaks.  We send him our most excellent vibes and xylophones.

And trumpets and 76 trombones...

In my CD player at work:  "A New York Romance" by Alison Fraser, courtesy of DR TD!!!  Thanks!!

In my DVD player:  nothing.

In my VCR:  nothing.

That's it for now.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: William F. Orr on January 30, 2004, 11:20:09 AM
Dear Reader Jennifer:

pent (pent) alt. pt. & pp. of PEN--adj. held or kept in; penned (often with up) (" pent up emotions")

My object all sublime
I shall achieve in time
To make the punishment fit the crime,
The punishment fit the crime.
And let each prisoner pent
Unwillingly represent
A source of innocent merriment,
Of innocent merriment!
       --from The Mikado by W. S. Gilbert and Sir Arthur Sullivan

Does anyone know if Gilbert was ever knighted?  Or wasn't he the equal of Mick Jagger?
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Emily on January 30, 2004, 11:27:40 AM
I think I remember hearing that Gilbert was knighted at a very advanced age and that he made it clear to Sullivan that he was not happy about the long amount of time between their respective knightings.  
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 11:29:58 AM
Good wishes/wibes to DR WFO.

Great review, DR Jay. Enjoyed reading it.
When I'm REALLY old I want to make my stage comeback in FOLLIES. With any luck I'll die before the reviews come in.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Emily on January 30, 2004, 11:31:35 AM
Gilbert was indeed knighted in 1907 (or so says the online biography I found)

oh dear... I just read about his death:

"This end came on the 29th of May, 1911. He was giving swimming lessons to two young women in his lake at Grim's Dyke, when one of the women, getting out of her depth, as she thought, called out for help. Gilbert dived in to help her, but died of heart failure in the middle of the lake. "

Poor Gilbert.  At least he got top billing in the collaboration with Sullivan ;)
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Emily on January 30, 2004, 11:31:54 AM
can you all tell I am procrastinating the heck out of this paper?
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 11:36:59 AM
Hmmmmmmmm.....the book The United Artists Story "Hawaii" did not have a stereo release.  I saw it at the drive-in so who knows?

The 70mm Newsletter says it was recorded in 6-track stereo but was "believed to have had a mono soundtrack."  

http://www.in70mm.com/lists/blow_up/year/1966.htm (http://www.in70mm.com/lists/blow_up/year/1966.htm)


So it is possible.  I also checked a couple of posters for the original release that are posted on the internet and NONE of them advertise the film as in any stereo process.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: DERBRUCER on January 30, 2004, 11:48:27 AM
Specifically, what is done to the character of Fiyero in the musical?  He marries--Glinda?  And how does he die?  (Hope that's not a spoiler!)

Well, I haven't seen it, but from the fact that it is Fiyero's voice as the Tin Man in "March of the Witch Hunters", and he sings that was Elphabas' spell that turned him so, I surmise that Fiyero is changed into the Tin Man. In Elphaba's "No Good Deed" she voices the curse:
 
Let his flesh not be torn
Let his blood leave no stain
Though they beat him
Let him fell no pain
Let his bones never break
And however they try
To destroy him
Let him never die!

der Brucer (hoping a I-Have-Seen-It DR can claers it all up)
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: DERBRUCER on January 30, 2004, 11:54:20 AM
Probably the most famous "Jogging Jew" was Harold Abrahams who won Olympic Gold in 1924 (Chariots of Fire)

der Brucer (wondering if BK has Vangelis spiriting him along)

"The Jogging Jew" sounds like a Chagall window
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: DERBRUCER on January 30, 2004, 11:58:30 AM

...Grim's Dyke...

Sounds like an episode from "The L-Word".

der Brucer ("Grimm's Dyke" would be better!)
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Emily on January 30, 2004, 11:59:08 AM
WICKED SPOILER WICKED SPOILER WICKED SPOILER WICKED SPOLER

Do Not Read for Fear of RUINING WICKED!!!!


Boq becomes the Tin Man (Nessa turns him into it in anger after he tries to leave her) and that is indeed Christopher Fitzgerald's voice singing in "March of the Witch Hunters".  I could tell you what happens to Fiyero but that would ruin it I think... unless you really do want to know
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: TCB on January 30, 2004, 12:13:03 PM
Next time, Emily, at least warn us when you are going to post a spoiler!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 12:14:42 PM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]Good wishes and vibes to DR WFO and Joe.[/move]

[move=right,scroll,6,transparent,100%]A very merry unbirthday, to you, my dear friend MDS![/move]

DR George - you are sooooo welcome!  I love that cd!  And, much to my consternation, a few weeks ago I said that "Darling Children" was an Anthony Newley song: well, IT ISN'T ! !
"Darling Children" was written by the late Rusty Magee, who was married to Miss Fraser.

My Media Check is quite simple today:
THE BAND is in my dvd player (THE LAST WALTZ), car cd player (THE BAND - self-titled album, their second album) and in the computer cd THE BAND'S GREATEST HITS.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 12:19:28 PM
Also, dear readers, remeber that I - dear reader td - have a marvelous, simply wicked synopsis of WICKED on my hard drive, which can be electronically mailed to you, should you wish to read it spoilers and all. . .
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 12:20:26 PM
Dear Reader, and Punim, Jay - thanks for the snail mail!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: William F. Orr on January 30, 2004, 12:25:42 PM
Yes, Emily, [size=+3]I REALLY WANT TO KNOW[/size].

Perhaps you can e-mail me?
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: William F. Orr on January 30, 2004, 12:27:09 PM
Okay, TD, I'll bite.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 12:33:56 PM
Yes td please email me the Wicked synopsis.  Thanks.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 12:34:13 PM
Okay, TD, I'll bite.

You should have it in your mailbox by now, kind sir.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 12:36:04 PM
Yes td please email me the Wicked synopsis.  Thanks.

You should have it in your mailbox by now, kind sir.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jennifer on January 30, 2004, 12:36:13 PM
Thanks DR WFO for your attempt to answer my question.  I know the phrase "pent up emotions", and I've seen the verses you've printed (above).  I feel like an idiot, because I still do not know what you meant by the phrase below. I'm not too familiar with the details of your case (except that it's been very trying & you keep referring to the evil ones as the MacBeths).  Anyhow I wish you good vibes regardless.

WFO wrote:
I am biting my nails (4D, Common) in fear that my Joe may become a prisoner pent (oh, a Gilbert and Sullivan reference)..
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 12:36:46 PM
Oh God, I'm repeating myself!  
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: S. Woody White on January 30, 2004, 12:39:39 PM
Very strong and supportive vibes to Joe and WFO.

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[/move]
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 12:49:46 PM
Oh my I want to see this show.  Thanks TD
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: William F. Orr on January 30, 2004, 12:51:30 PM
Tanx, TD.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Emily on January 30, 2004, 12:57:30 PM
Actually TD... could you send me the synopsis too (e_kulin@hotmail.com)?

It'd be nice to not have to explain to friends... :D
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: bk on January 30, 2004, 12:58:06 PM
Now we've got some POSTS, baby.  

Jrand: What's peculiar about the link you provided is that the film is listed as six track stereo and then the little addendum says "believed to have been one of the many 70mm mono releases"  Something doesn't compute.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: TCB on January 30, 2004, 01:05:06 PM
[move=up,scroll,6,transparent,100%]~~~~~~~~~~~
Good vibes to Joe and Bill!!!
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Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Noel on January 30, 2004, 01:13:30 PM
Let Wicked be a surprise to you
... that's my suggestion.

Don't find out any of the details of the plot in advance, and you're likely to enjoy it more.

Having seen Wicked, well, anyone who's seen Wicked understands what happens to various characters.  I think anyone who hasn't seen Wicked should not be told.

But, apparently, some people are begging to have it ruined for them.  Or I could be confused about this.

Best wishes to anyone who teaches math on Long Island, or dear friend of the same.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 01:19:56 PM
Happy Birthday (OZ time) Michael. Welcome back WFO. Good thoughts to you and Joe. Good to see you posting Kerry.
DVD player (last night) "My House In Umbria" - Maggie Smith
CDs: "A Might Wind", "Cold Mountain" and Billy Joel's "An Innocent Man".
don't think "Cold Mountain" will get played too often but certainly it will higher on my list than last year's oscar winning "Song".
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Matt H. on January 30, 2004, 01:28:21 PM
FOLLIES has always worked for me, as a young adult when I saw the Broadway production and now even more passionately as someone well into middle age who can look back at choices he made with some humor and also some regret.

The scenes involving just the Marx Brothers in THE COCOANUTS are among some of the funniest they ever did, but the early talkie filming at its most unimaginative and that stale, miniscule plot that serves as the foundation of the piece help to keep the film from being loved. I have to admit, even with the awful Oscar Shaw and charmless Mary Eaton, I have watched the film twice as many times as most of the MGM ones like AT THE CIRCUS.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jed on January 30, 2004, 01:36:01 PM
Best of thought to WFO and Joe.  Sounds as if you've really been dragged through the mud again and again with all this.  Hope it all ends soon, and as painlessly as possible at this point.

Happy early birthday to Michael Shayne.

Media check...
DVD - nothing since The Pianist about a week ago
VCR - Eddie Izzard Definite Article
CDs - City of Angels OBC, Merrily We Roll Along (York revival), Al Jarreau Tenderness
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Matt H. on January 30, 2004, 01:37:47 PM
I'm afraid the laserdisc for HAWAII doesn't offer much help in sorting out the answer to the sound controversy. On the laser, the sound is billed as having been "digitally enhanced for Surround Stereo." The liner notes says that in doing the reconstruction of the original 3 hour roadshow release, they returned to composer Elmer Bernstein for the stereo sound stems for music cut from the original release (23 minutes cut from the original roadshow presentation for the general release print including Overture, Intermission, and Exit Music.)
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 01:38:14 PM
BK: I just did a search on "Hawaii". You did not it seems answers Mike Shayne's question about "My Wishing Doll". Did the song make it to the recording you have been playing? Some of us song collectors have been searching for years.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Robin on January 30, 2004, 01:42:27 PM
First off...Happy Birthday to Mr. Micheal Shayne...!

Second off...in the deeveedee player is Blacula and the new double-disc of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.  The latter movie has been slightly re-tooled from the previous releases of the film.  Whether that's good or not depends on your point of view; personally, I didn't think it needed any modification.

Plus, all these deeveedee re-dos are getting a bit ridiculous, and makes me wonder if what I saw in the theater was just a rough draft or something.  Star Trek, isn't the only guilty party in this: the Alien movies, Dances With Wolves, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Superman: The Movie...if it was good enough to get into the theaters, shouldn't be good enough for release on home video?  

Ah....but I digress...!

In the CD player is Miklos Rozsa's score to The World, the Flesh and the Devil, and (because it was mentioned here, and I hadn't listened to it in quite a while, Jerry Goldsmith's Mephisto Waltz/The Other.  I haven't seen either film, but when Goldsmith goes into avant-garde territory, it's always worthwhile.  Another recent find was Gert Wilden's funky Schoolgirl Report, which is terrific, fun music written for German softcore porn movies, apparently.  (I'd post a pic of the cover, but this is a family site, right?

Today, it's -12 degrees in Minneapolis, with a -20 wind chill.  It's nice to be in my toasty-warm condo's computer room....!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jennifer on January 30, 2004, 01:44:18 PM
Oh DR Noel: Didn't you and your DW Joy see Wicked very recently. I was hoping you guys would give us a report.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: bk on January 30, 2004, 01:47:28 PM
I haven't heard The Wishing Doll yet, but am only in the middle of disc one.  I'll check the inlay later.

Interesting laser stuff.  I doubt that they got anything from Elmer because when they were doing this CD that's who they went to see if he had stuff.  He had nothing.  What they found (the mono tracks) was supposed to have been delivered to him ages ago but never was.  Further complicating matters, what I'd assumed were the damaged Hawaii tracks were, in fact, The Hallelujah Trail tracks in the Hawaii boxes.  So, there is no clear story in the booklet about whether they ever actually found the Hawaii tracks or not.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 01:54:26 PM
LOL....a mystery....yes I thought that was strange as well....if it was released in 6 channel why wouldn't it be shown in stereo?  Strange.

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/buysoundtrax/hawdeledorso.html (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/buysoundtrax/hawdeledorso.html)

The above track listing does NOT include "The Wishing Doll."  :'(
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 01:54:29 PM
Thanks BK.  I shall stay tuned.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 01:59:26 PM
On the original LP "My Wishing Doll" theme was included on the Main Title and then reprised on track 11 "Abner" which I am assuming is a music only track as well.  I had the LP, but don't know if I still have it.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 02:05:22 PM
This from a FilmScore Monthly column 6/27/03:

3) If Julie Andrews recorded a full-length version of "My Wishing Doll" (as she did for STAR), it has been unavailable to date. Not even on the new expanded soundtrack. It's possible there were recording company issues at the time or G.R. Hill recorded the sound live during filming (the latter is doubtful given a star of Andrews magnitude at the time.)

Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jennifer on January 30, 2004, 02:21:46 PM
I have 2 questions for DRs:

1. How many people went and ate Chinese food yesterday? :)

2. Can anyone recommend any newly released dvd/videos? I am heading to the video store tomorrow and am not sure what to rent.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Noel on January 30, 2004, 02:24:11 PM
Oh DR Noel: Didn't you and your DW Joy see Wicked very recently. I was hoping you guys would give us a report.

What to say about Wicked?

Well, it has a trio of star performances: Idina Menzel, Kristen Chenoweth and Norbert Leo Butz certainly deliver the goods.

But what are these goods?  It's quite frustrating, really.  There's SO much that is good about Wicked, but, moment after moment, it fails to deliver emotionally.

The book has some charming twists and funny lines.  And things happen, and you're waiting to be moved, musically, by a turn of the plot.  And yet there's often no pay-off.

This is because the creators haven't effectively dramatized their story.  It's hard to go into details without giving away plot points, so I can only speak in very general terms: Twoards the end of the first act, the heroine discovers something that deeply disappoints her.  Do we feel her disappointment?  Nope.  The dialogue is whizzing by too fast, without stopping to flesh out the protagonist's feelings.  When she finally sings Defying Gravity, it's too late.  We're ahead of her.  The curtain comes down later than it needed to, and we're left without the sense of excitement we expect from an act finale.

In a musical that features an intricate plot (and I like musicals that feature intricate plots), an audience being ahead is a serious defect.  And that's what stops Wicked from being a very good musical.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: PennyO on January 30, 2004, 02:30:13 PM
Still can't wait to see/hear it! next month.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: PennyO on January 30, 2004, 02:45:49 PM
also can't wait to wiggle and belt, when it's my turn for Follies. Elderly opera soprano given one more chance to haul out tattered remains of a once-lovely voice and spin the magical spell of that shimmering melody... ah. Waitin' for it. I can taste it. Look for me in 20 years...
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Matt H. on January 30, 2004, 02:50:24 PM
Watched THE WOMAN IN GREEN and the first part of PURSUIT TO ALGIERS, and the new Sherlock Holmes transfers look just fine. Really looking forward to TERROR BY NIGHT as this one has been in release in ghastly public domain prints for years. This one may well be the acid test for the series. It also happens to be one of my personal favorites.

Regardless, though, I am thrilled to have the 12 Universals in my DVD collection looking as wonderful as they do.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: TCB on January 30, 2004, 02:52:23 PM
also can't wait to wiggle and belt, when it's my turn for Follies. Elderly opera soprano given one more chance to haul out tattered remains of a once-lovely voice and spin the magical spell of that shimmering melody... ah. Waitin' for it. I can taste it. Look for me in 20 years...

Hell, PennyO, I won't be around in twenty years.  Couldn't you just cheat, and do it in ten?
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: PennyO on January 30, 2004, 02:52:59 PM
I love Basil Rathbone. He is the greatest of the Sherlock's, imho.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: PennyO on January 30, 2004, 02:54:04 PM
Hell, PennyO, I won't be around in twenty years.  Couldn't you just cheat, and do it in ten?

Well, my Angel, the way I'm going, it may not be cheating in 10 -- or even 6!!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: PennyO on January 30, 2004, 03:01:55 PM
Okay, gang - I'm diving into the murky roiling torrent of automobiles sloshing toward Hollywood - for sheet music and, ultimately, no-carb dining with our own bk. bye!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 03:03:45 PM
Well, my Angel, the way I'm going, it may not be cheating in 10 -- or even 6!!
TCB has just been confused with his cat (Angel).
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Matt H. on January 30, 2004, 03:09:57 PM
I agree, DR Penny, about Basil Rathbone, and he was also a wonderful actor in other roles, too. I wish I could have seen him in his Tony-winning role as the original Dr. Sloper in the Broadway version of THE HEIRESS. Alas, I wasn't born yet.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: TCB on January 30, 2004, 03:10:23 PM
FOLLIES has always worked for me, as a young adult when I saw the Broadway production and now even more passionately as someone well into middle age who can look back at choices he made with some humor and also some regret.


DR MattH – I hope you didn’t misunderstand what I was saying about Follies.  I love almost every moment of that show.  I love the themes that are raised, I love the characters, I love the setting, and I especially love the fantastic music.  But still, with all that going for it, the show slams into a brick wall when it gets to Loveland.  You can see the people in the audience looking at each other trying to figure out what is going on.  I don’t know if it needs a different set-up, or what, but that is the one thing that keeps Follies from being a total masterpiece.

Still, I will run to see Follies produced, anytime or anywhere.  And maybe, in a few years, when PennyO does her production; I can do the Ethel Shutta role!  I'm just a Broadway Baby......
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: TCB on January 30, 2004, 03:13:35 PM
TCB has just been confused with his cat (Angel).

Maybe PennyO was speaking to my cat.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: bk on January 30, 2004, 03:26:14 PM
Drat! The Cat!

Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: MBarnum on January 30, 2004, 03:33:51 PM
MATTH, I do have to admit to liking the song that Mary Eaton sings in Cocanuts...MONKEY DOODLE-DO! It is fun. I definately do not dislike the movie, it just isn't one of my favorites.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Matt H. on January 30, 2004, 03:35:05 PM
DR TCB,. I understood exactly what you were saying about FOLLIES and OTHER audience members' confusion about "Loveland." I said that FOLLIES had always worked FOR ME, and that's what I meant. I understood exactly what "Loveland" was about and it caused me no confusion then or now. In fact, if the actors are really strong in the four leads, "Loveland" con be incredibly moving, even heartbreaking. The original certainly was for me. When the sequence ended, and we went back to the Weissman Theater, I was so devastated that the few remaining moments were almost lost due to my emotions being so wrung out. But I tend to get DEEPLY involved in everything I see.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 03:52:46 PM
Good afternoon!  Good evening!

Here we go again:

The Good News: I was up and adam - not with adam unfortunately - at 4:00am.  I showered, I dressed, I re-packed my bags. The cab showed up right on time at 5:00am.  He got me to the Amtrak station in about 10 minutes, and about $4.00 cheaper than that fare usually runs - of course, the early morning hour and no traffic could have had something to do with that, but still...  I got a nice seat on the train, and even got to catch a few more winks on the way up to DC.  The venue for the auditions was just a block away from the Metro station.  I was done by 3:40, and I'll be done by Noon tomorrow!  -Even though I'm officially booked - and paid(!) - until 5:00!  So, I should be back home in Richmond by 4:00!
The Bad News: There's a strong possibility I may have left my cell phone in the cab this morning in Richmond.  UGH!!  -First in Orlando, now in Richmond?!?!  -Which happen to be the only two times I've taken a cab in the past year!  The driver is on the late shift, so I'll be calling him later - thankfully, I asked for a receipt.  What I'm hoping is that it's just sitting in my apartment, hiding from view from my roommate, with the ringer still off from last night's class.  Ah, well... At least the calling card I bought at CVS at lunch was on sale!

Oh, and I had Chinese food for lunch today!  Very good Chinese food too: Hot & Sour Soup, and Yu Shiang Chicken - and the restaurant I went to uses only fresh,  organic veggies - well, that's what all their ads and menus say.  And, best of all, I only paid about $6.00 for all of it - and that included a 25% tip!  -It's also a block from the venue, and I may end up grabbing lunch there tomorrow before heading back to Union Station to catch Amtrak southbound.

Well, that's it for me today.... Oh...

Media Check - I've been playing catching up on CDs this week - kinda-sorta: Avenue Q, Wicked, Cyndi Lauper's "At Last", a Holly Cole album I can't remember the name of right now (her version of "I Can See Clearly Now..." is still my favorite), Little Shop of Horrors revival, Josh Groban's new one (eh... can you say "overproduced"?), Elton John and Time Rice's Aida... I think that's it.  OH, and I arranged the rest of my stack of unplayed CDs, and set up an empty rack to place them on once I listen to them... so that's progress in one form or another.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 03:58:39 PM
Taking a posting break... I discovered the other day (from our esteemed bk) that the Tex Avery laser disk which I sold at a garage sale just before moving here, for - get ready - two dollars - you heard me - TWO DOLLARS - is worth around 100 times two dollars. Oy. And I even had to convince the old guy who bought it to buy it. At first he thought it was a record. He was disapponted that it wasn't, but thought his son-in-law might have "something to play it on." I don't even want to think about the other laser disks I sold.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 04:02:02 PM
...And the ones I didn't sell I gave to the Humane Society Thrift Shop and Goodwill.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 04:03:14 PM
I keep doing stuff like this and people will start calling me "that wacky blonde."
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 04:05:33 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DR MICHAEL SHAYNE!!!

Have a great time at Universal Studios Orlando!

*Because of the audition tour I was playing for Universal Studios Japan, I was able to check out both Universal Studios Orlando and Universal Studios (original) almost back to back.  Land and area-wise, nothing can compete with Disneyworld in Orlando - otherwise, all of Orlando would be one big theme park - which some people think it is already.  However, I enjoyed Univeral Orlando quite a bit.  If you're into roller coasters, you're in for quite a treat.  And the Shrek 4-D "ride" is quite fun!  HINT: Make lots of noise while waiting in line when you are asked.  Lots! The "smaller" size of USO, also makes it's much more manageable to "accomplish" in one day.  -Oh, and I'm assuming and hoping that your friends will be taking you to IoA - Islands of Adventure - too.  And be sure to check out the Waterworld stunt show... waiting for the actors afterwards as they meet and greet audience members can be quite the pleasant eyeful!

-And as for the main differences between the parks.. LA does not have IoA, but it's City Walk is a lot larger and has more variety.  But I did notice that both City Walks - unlike Disney - aren't so "tourist priced" - a.k.a. marked up.  They know they have to attract the locals, so they keep the prices in line with the local prices.  In any case...

Have A Great Time At Universal Studios Orlando!

*And even though I was a temporary of Universal Studios Theme Parks, my "review" and recommendations are totally unbiased, and I have not been compensated for my statements. ;-)
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 04:06:23 PM
Panni - this link is for YOU! (fellow lover of THE MOONSTONE that you are); as well as for all DRs who have an interest in what lies ahead on the musical theater front:

http://www.womaninwhitethemusical.com/intro.htm (http://www.womaninwhitethemusical.com/intro.htm)
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 04:10:14 PM
To continue my monologue... I was listening to the radio in the car this morning during a short drive.  When I tuned in, the Philharmonia Hungarica was playing. (I didn't know before this morning that it was made up of musicians who escaped the Revolution.) After they finished, on came Andras Schiff... And once more I was amazed that for such a tiny country, Hungary has produced so many fine musicians.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 04:13:20 PM
Thanks for the link, td!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 04:17:56 PM
Interesting! I wonder what "freely adapted" means? Will the characters be on roller skates? Have to admit, I'm not a huge ALW fan -- but it's a very evocative website.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 04:17:59 PM
I decided on this 2 degree evening to watch
Easy To Wed with Van Johnson and Lucille Ball with Keenan Wynn and Esther Williams.

I first saw this on 'Frances Farmer Presents', and it still makes me laugh.  Here is my short review at Epinions:

http://www.epinions.com/content_55159918212 (http://www.epinions.com/content_55159918212)

As I watch it, I am reminded of what Stanley Donen wrote in his book.....he was trying to get out of directing Williams in Pagan Love Song and in fact had had a tempestuous relationship with the actress when filming Take Me Out to the Ball Game.

Gene Kelly and Stanley had seen Esther driving on the lot in her brand new Cadillac convertible and said something like:  "Look what you can get just from splashing around in the water...."  

During said meeting, with Williams, her agent, producer Arthur Freed, and LB Mayer....Mayer said to Donen:

"Esther feels that you don't think she is talented."

Donen wrote he was at a loss for words, and he was taken off the project.  ;D
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Danise on January 30, 2004, 04:24:45 PM
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[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DR MICHAEL SHAYNE!!![/move]

We're have a rain filled day and night and day and night and day.  Sigh.  In other words, it's going to rain thru Sunday afternoon.

Thanks for the answer on American Idol.  I didn't think I had heard of either of them.

It's a bit early but if I do go to NYC in May, which shows are a "must see"?  I kinda want to see "Fiddler" for 2 reasons, I would like to see the theater where DOTV was and I was in a production of Fiddler many years back so it would bring back good memories.  I would also like to see POTO but have seen it twice on the road and Millie again but I also would like to see at least one new show.  

The problem at this point is what Mr. Michael Ball decides to do.  If he does come to SLC in mid May, I want to go see him.  I've waited for him to come to the States for years.  

After carefully readking both books, I have choosen The South Beach Diet.  I will be making a grocery list up for shopping this weekend and will start it on Monday.  I have already started losing a pound or two--the new meds the doctor put me on seem have an unexpected (and most welcome) side effect.   :)

Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 04:31:29 PM
Thanks for the ALW link td. We may have something other than "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" to see in London this year. It HAS to be better than "The Beautiful Game".
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 04:31:52 PM
Good luck on South Beach, DR Danise!

DR Panni - as you say, Hungarian musicians are world renown.....including the world's most famous second fiddle:  Eva Gabor!

DR JOSE....right across the street from Union Station in the Postal Building is the Federal office of my government division, the Bureau of Labor Statistics...to the left and down the sidewalk.  I love Union Station in DC!  
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 04:37:56 PM
Let Wicked be a surprise to you
... that's my suggestion.

Don't find out any of the details of the plot in advance, and you're likely to enjoy it more.

Having seen Wicked, well, anyone who's seen Wicked understands what happens to various characters.  I think anyone who hasn't seen Wicked should not be told.

But, apparently, some people are begging to have it ruined for them.  Or I could be confused about this.


If I may offer an opinion, I don't think that people are BEGGING to have it ruined for them; they're merely requesting what should have been included in the cd booklet - a VALID synopsis.
I've read the book several times since its publication - even have a First Edition without being a collector of such things, just OZ-related things - and I will admit to being confused and befuddled by the cd's lack of a synopsis!  Ms. Holzman has made major dramatic changes from the novel, some better some worse, but all valid in her interpretation of WICKED.
As I said earlier - maybe a couple of weeks ago, even - was that one of the so-called spoilers) involving a major character and plot point is given away immediately on listening to the cd because of an easily recognizable voice.  IF they wanted to keep that plot twist a surprise, someone else should be singing those lines in the opening numbers. . .

DR Noel, are you also saying that people who HAVE read the book shouldn't see the show?  We have already been told by Maguire HIMSELF, and Holzman's changes are at least true to the original author's intents.

Some of us have been listening to WICKED (and following its creation) for quite some time; the only surprises which could arise for me are how well the creative team has brought WICKED visually to life.

I'm happy that Schwartz has a hit, and I reitereate, WICKED and THE STEPHEN SCHWARTZ ALBUM (produced by BK) are the ONLY Schwartz cds which have recieved so much playing time in the cd player; I've even posted on RATM, and Scarlet Street Forims my feelings about Stephen Schwartz shows (and their cds).

Whether or not others think of WICKED's score as second-rate, need only remember that those words were hurled often at Mr. Sondheim, Mr. Rodgers and basically, any other composer whose works have lasted through the years.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Danise on January 30, 2004, 04:38:20 PM
Thanks, JRand!   :)

I tried to pick the diet I thought I would really stick with.  I liked the Adkins diet but when I read the receipes in the South Beach book, I found myself saying, "Hey, that sounds good!".  

I also liked the fact that the author of South Beach mentioned taking a fish oil tab and an asprin.  I do both each day.

Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 04:39:04 PM
Thanks for the ALW link td.

I was thinking of it as a "Wilkie Collins Link."   :-[
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 04:43:22 PM
There are many of us who will probably never get to see "Wicked" staged.  Some of find it difficult to get to New York! We still do like to have the Cast alums of shows.  Having the cast album and a synopsis of a show has never stopped me from thoroughly enjoying a show when I eventually got to see it staged.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 04:45:13 PM
Sorry td. I'll see if I can borrow the book. But then, it might spoil my enjoyment of the musical!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 04:49:29 PM
And I've been holding back, but since it came up today...

It will be an interesting Tony race this year as far as the new musicals go.  I haven't seen all the new musicals this season - the ones that have opened - but I was able to see Avenue Q, Wicked and the one possible "upset" Caroline, or Change.  I have not seen Never Gonna Dance, and I'm not sure I'll be able to make it up to see Bombay Dreams before the Tonys - although, I do know people involved with and in the show, so, who knows, that status may change.  -And as for The Boy From Oz and Taboo.. hmm...

Using some of the "existing" opinions out there, as well as my own... I'd really love to see Avenue Q win the Best Musical Tony this year.  Very creative, tuneful, and it carries out it's "concept" to the hilt.  *Although a very critical friend of mine wondered if the show would actually be better without the use of four-letter words - carrying the whole children's/puppet show even further- interesting point.  In any case...  "It's a Fine, Fine Line..." really hits close to home and heart for me.

I enjoyed Wicked very much - I was hooting and hollering with the best of them during the curtain calls, but Avenue Q has been getting more time in my CD player - and it's the one CD I've been getting more people to listen to - and it's the show I've been telling to go see when they can't tickets to Wicked.  The Wicked CD is good, but some of the score omissions as well as the sound - production - of it, don't sit too well with me.  -I don't think Kristin Chenoweth is recorded all that well, and the orchestra seems a bit muddled at times.  -But we're not talking the Grammy's... (For better or for worse, there is a lot of music left off the Wicked OCR - and notice how there is no plot synopsis provided either.)  I love the original book of Wicked, and as some DRs have pointed out - and as even Mr. Maguire has publicly acknowledged (but approved) - some of the plot points - some minor, some major - have been changed for the stage version.  And those don't sit too well with me either.  Consequently, the various outcomes - and what some have called various endings - came across as someone just trying to tie up every possible - and near possible - loose end - when some ends were meant to stay loose - or tied up differently in the original source material.  Technically, however, the show has a good chance of a clean sweep - costumes, lighting and set.

As for Caroline, or Change... Interesting piece.  Good, but more interesting than good to me.  Musically, there is some great writing, but as has been noted elsewhere many times over, Mr. Kushner is not exactly a lyricist.  And, for me, his lack of lyrical skills hampers the pacing and structure of the piece.  Some points get made too fast, some too slow.  And maybe I just saw her on a low energy day, but Tonya Pinkins did not impress me as much as others have told me I should have been impressed by her performance.  Yes, it's good - but good enough to nab the Tony over Mmes. Murphy, Menzel or Chenoweth... hmm... *I also think had it not been for the critical success of HBO's Angels in America, there is no chance the Caroline would have gathered the funding for the pending transfer uptown.  Of course, it's still pending, and by Broadway standards, it's still "early", and things could change.. But I do wish it will - it deserves to be seen by a wider audience.  -Frankly, if I was the producer, I would bring it to Broadway in a limited - but Tony eligible run - that would make better sense to me.  This would help insure the "demand" for tickets, and have the run sell out like it did at the Public, the much smaller Public.  But this is the business of live theatre... when has it ever made sense before?  *And both authors have mentioned that they will do some more tweaking before opening at the O'Neill, so.... *I did LOVE the sign at the Box Office at the Public - "There are no tickets left for the entire run of Caroline, Or Change.  No, not even one!" - followed by the waiting list instructions

Again, this is all MY opinion... BUT I did like all three of the above shows.  And to different degrees and for different reasons.  But if I had my druthers, Avenue Q should win Best Musical.

*My big question about Bombay Dreams is related to Taboo in a sense - it's getting a new book for it's US version.  What was/is wrong with the original book?

Well, that's enough prepostertous presumption from and for me for now.. and for some week's to come.  I smell pizza downstairs!....
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 04:50:29 PM
Sorry td. I'll see if I can borrow the book. But then, it might spoil my enjoyment of the musical!

As someone who has in the past received nice things in the mailbox from you, I would more than happily post WICKED (in book form) to you!   ;)
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 04:52:36 PM
Speaking of Never Gonna Dance, does anyone know if it has been recorded? Or if it will be recorded?
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 04:56:26 PM
Hey Patty Duke is selling her house in Idaho....latest offer of $1,000,900 hasn't met the reserve.  Take a look - it's a steal!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2372879643&category=1607 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2372879643&category=1607)
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 05:01:34 PM
DR Noel- If I thought there was a chance I would see WICKED onstage any time or any time soon - I might have had second thoughts about asking....but since I probably won't be in NYC this year, it's nice to have the info.

Oh and td email your snail mail.....Robert and Debbie will be on the way.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: George on January 30, 2004, 05:01:41 PM
And now for something completely different:

I was perusing dresscircle.co.uk and under their "RARE, VALUABLE & HARD-TO-FIND CDs" section, they are selling the Dame Judi Dench CD of A Little Night Music (http://www.dresscircle.co.uk/product.asp?StockID=26898).  It's selling for £125!  That's about $225 US! :o It says that the price will go up as they are sold.  I bought it about four year ago for $35!  eBay anyone?
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 05:02:32 PM
It's an investment DR George....I tell myself that after every click on EBAY.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 05:27:32 PM

Oh and td email your snail mail.....Robert and Debbie will be on the way.

I'm all aquiver!
All aboard Chico's Choo-Choo!  The Girl Most Likely to Succeed will prove You Can't Love 'em All while divulging The Secret of Christmas!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 05:28:36 PM
Not at that price Jack. Not even Patty's cousin Cathy would be interested. I know nothing about USA land and house prices but it looks so totally overpriced.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 05:31:29 PM
I'm watching me some Cowboy U on CMT!

LOL TD - you got it!  Plus the night rock
'n roll died...almost!

But TOMOVOZ...you get a software company as well.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 05:31:42 PM
And to think I sent a copy of Night Music to a DR on this site last year. I knew I should have charged him. I should make a few more copies and sell the original on ebay. No way.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: MusicGuy on January 30, 2004, 05:34:23 PM
Good evening DRs......I'm trying to be good and at least say a quick hello.  Thanks for all the nice thoughts and messages.

Dear esteemed and definitely "one-of-a-kind" guapo BK --     I indeed read today's notes, and I shall now have visions of "The Jogging Jew" imbedded deeply into my mind forever.  Only you......Oy !!

And I have to admit, even though it is REALLY cheesy, I love watching "The Mephisto Waltz" every so often.  I mean, everyone knows that dedicated musicians are all loony, unbalanced, and in league with the devil.......

You don't believe me ??  Just ask Kerry !!

I must go cook, so I send my best "tennis-lesbian"
MMWWWAAAAAHHHHH
to everyone.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 05:38:11 PM
And to think I sent a copy of Night Music to a DR on this site last year. I knew I should have charged him. I should make a few more copies and sell the original on ebay. No way.

But, DR Tomovoz, what better way would there be to help fund your upcoming sojourn to France, England, the States, etc... At least it would cover some pretty nice theatre tickets!

Or you could just use the funds to hold a party for me and some "footy" players when I'm back in OZ later this year!  Does Victoria Bitter come in kegs?  And how many do you think we'll need? Kegs, not players... well... ;)
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 05:44:07 PM
Oh, it was interesting to note how some other DRs typed some similar thoughts about Wicked as I was typing my post - I was gladly interrupted by my nephew, John Michael, who kept telling me it was time for dinner.. then realized it wasn't... then it was.. then it wasn't... etc.  Sooooo cute!

-And I think Ann Harada's brief channeling of Judy Garland while she sings "The More You Ruv Him" in Avenue Q is surely worthy of a best supporting actress nomination!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: S. Woody White on January 30, 2004, 05:53:37 PM
I grew up listening to the scores of musicals as recorded, following the plot as best I could via the synopsis printed on the album cover.  The better the synopsis, the better my appreciation of the music.  When I discovered published scripts, I was in absolute heaven!  

I have never found knowing the twists and turns of a plot in advance detrimental to my later enjoyment of a live performance of a show; instead, I've been able to focus on the performances and stagecraft.  This is why I enjoyed Ragtime in each of the three times der Brucer and I saw it.  I've seen Into the Woods no fewer than five times, in different productions, and have enjoyed it every time.  Familiarity has not bred contempt.

Let's put it this way: does knowing what it means when Kane whispers "Rosebud" at the beginning of Citizen Kane diminish the film at all?  Of course not; the depth of the drama is still there.

And, frankly, I find the notion that one must see a show (usually in NYC) to enjoy it elitist.  NYC is not my idea of a fun city.  It is stressful, unfriendly, expensive, and self-absorbed.  It is difficult to get to, and if I don't have a good reason to be there I'd rather be almost anyplace else.  I don't like places where I feel I have to be watching my back as I walk down the street.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 05:54:45 PM
DR Danise - I will be giving the South Beach Diet a "try" once I'm back from Memphis next weekend.  -I HAVE to have my "meat and three" with the corn sticks and the hush puppies!!!!  Oh, and the ribs from The Rendezvous! I get a full rack - half wet/half dry!!

And since the Atkins people revised their thoughts on saturated fats, the Atkins Diet is VERY similar to the South Beach Diet - but the South Beach Diet introduces complex carbs and dietary fiber first rather than last on the "approved" list.  -Which is the one thing that didn't sit too well for me when I was on Atkins - even though I dropped 20 pounds in six weeks, and eventually 38 over six months (too many post-show receptions, holiday gatherings and closing night parties kind of hampered my initial progress ;-) )

-Maybe we could keep each other honest over the next couple of months?

*And clearing your kitchen cupboards of any "temptations" truly is the best thing in the world to do!  I was amazed that six weeks had passed before I even noticed that I hadn't had any sugar in six weeks!  It just wasn't readily accessible to me, so I never felt like I was trying to resist it since I didn't see it everytime I opened the fridge or the cupboard.

-Boy, I think I've mentioned all this before...
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 05:58:19 PM
DR Jose: Yes to the kegs. I am assuming the whole football team. (20).
DR JRand: Who needs soft?
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 06:02:19 PM
DR Jose: Yes to the kegs. I am assuming the whole football team. (20).

Hmm... 20 divided by 3... Oh, unless your friend Michael will be joining us... Yes, it's a "point of diminishing returns", but at least the math works out better.

Did someone say this was a family site?  or a family site? ;-)
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 06:04:37 PM
And speaking of family... Unfortunately, my niece, Alyssa, seems to have reverted back to her "traditional" reaction when ever she sees me... She starts crying and starts running toward my brother/her father and/or my father/her grandfather.  Ah well... for now I'm just "blaming" it on the two weeks she just had in Puerto Rico...  Her way of showing her dislike for the cold weather back home.  Yeah.. that's strecthing it a bit!
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 06:04:56 PM
Michael's OZ partner Jim! Understandable confusion. He says "Hello".
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: bk on January 30, 2004, 06:09:47 PM
Just off to dine with dear reader PennyO.  I shall return shortly and hopefully to many more of these excellent postings.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 06:10:56 PM
Give PennyO a personalized "Hello" from ME!   :-*
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Noel on January 30, 2004, 06:17:55 PM
DR Noel, are you also saying that people who HAVE read the book shouldn't see the show?  We have already been told by Maguire HIMSELF, and Holzman's changes are at least true to the original author's intents.

I'm saying that everyone should see the show, as soon as they can.  I understand that, for some, it will be many years before they see Wicked (tour, Australian premiere, local productions, whatever).

I'm saying that one of the many pleasures of the show are its surprising plot turns.

Just from reading today's posts, I gather that Winnie Holzman made some changes in the plot; a reader familiar with the original novel might be surprised.

My musical who-dunnit, Murder at the Savoy, or, Pulley of the Yard contains a surprising plot twist or two.  Whenever I send out a tape of it, I've sent along a carefully worded synopsis that doesn't give away the ending.  I'd prefer people to enjoy the surprise.

I don't know why Holzman and Schwartz didn't include a synopsis with the CD of Wicked.  But, if I may be so bold, please allow me to assume that the creators of the show don't want their surprising twists revealed.  In fact, that's the only reason I can think of why a synopsis was left out.

My advice, once again, is that you'll enjoy the show more if you don't know these twists in advance, but, by all means, do what you want to do.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 06:32:26 PM
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But, if I may be so bold, please allow me to assume that the creators of the show don't want their surprising twists revealed.  In fact, that's the only reason I can think of why a synopsis was left out.

So, for that very reason, please explain to me WHY a certain person is singing the lines about having another drink. . .that vanishes all doubts as to one of the stage work's supposed surprises.  A major surprise which occurs NEAR THE END OF ACT TWO is revealed by the singer in one of the cds FIRST TRACKS.

I'm sorry that I'm not buying into the elitist attitude that I should drop everything and see the show in NYC (or on tour in god knows how many months) in order to LISTEN TO CD and enjoy it.

From Mort Goode, on down the line, I have enjoyed plot synopses on cast recordings for forty-one years, and believe me, there have still been surprises when I have finally seen the actual stage works.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 06:34:28 PM
It is -5 degrees here.
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Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 06:36:12 PM
It is -5 degrees here.

Here, too.

Wanna find a warm spot and cuddle?  ::)  ::)  ::)  ;)  ;)
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Post by: Noel on January 30, 2004, 06:44:26 PM
The singer you recognized went unrecognized by DW Joy in the theatre.  His back is to the audience, and I doubt very many caught what you caught.

Surely it's possible to enjoy the Wicked CD without knowing the plot's surprises.  But I haven't heard that CD yet, so I can't be certain.

But, oh, this word "elitist" --- Who's being elitist?  Schwartz and Holtzman for not including a synopsis?  For opening their show in San Francisco and then New York and not Pittsburgh?

All I'm doing here is trying to help DRs have the best possible time whenever they see Wicked for the first time.  And if that's "elitist" of me, I'll happily reveal who committed the Murder on the Orient Express so I can be more a man of the people.  :P
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 06:44:48 PM
I'll make the sacrifice TOM and JOSE....I will be the 4th man.
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Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 06:46:25 PM
the silent butler did it.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 06:50:13 PM
No problem Jack. As long as I don't have to pay your fare to OZ. Do you have Ruby Slippers to help you with transport? (perhaps they will only take you to Kansas).
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 06:56:30 PM
TOMOVOZ did your book arrive yet?

TD for one reason or another I need your address.  ::)
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 07:04:29 PM
Bobby and Sandra arrived Jack. I sent you a note about sending 18 yellow roses or something equally as Darin from beyond the sea.  
Said note must have been lost in transit. I think I used the email link from your profile.
I have only looked at the photos so far.
Much appreciated.
BTW OZ footballers wear much better "uniforms" than those of the other football codes!
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 07:09:38 PM
Jack your photo above is a Rugby game and NOT Australian Rules football. There is a world of difference between the games (and the players!)
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 07:13:03 PM
DR Ann how is your cable TV viewing coming along?

OMG VH1 is reuniting the band SQUEEZE!!!!
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 07:14:46 PM
Oh you can imagine my embarrassment.  Glad the book arrived....I may have gotten that email.  Sad sad sad to be so old and forgetful!
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 07:23:29 PM
For JRand: The Real thing.
Australian Rules Football.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: William E. Lurie on January 30, 2004, 07:23:51 PM
TD - I don't think NEVER GONNA DANCE has been recorded yet which is a shame.  Karen Ziemba's two Act II renditions of lesser known Kern songs alone would make it worthwhile.  Maybe this will change.  To say nothing against the current productions, but did we really need another recording of GYPSY or WONDERFUL TOWN.  Rosie says there will be a soundtrack of TABOO meaning either she doesn't know the difference between a cast album and a soundtrack or they will wait for the movie version she says she will be producing.

Jose - You are forgetting one thing in your Tony analysis.  It is quite possible that ASSASSINS may be considered a new musical which would throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing.  This was discussed here before, but it may have been when you were not around as much, and valid reasons for both sides (new or revival) were given.

I enjoyed WICKED a lot, but I had one problem with it and I wonder if any other DRs felt the same thing.  I felt it was two shows in one: a spectacular show with great sets, costumes, effects, etc.; and an intimate story which could have been told with a handful of people.  Most of the highlights for me were solos and duets with a limited number of people on stage, dwarfed by a giant set.  Most of the production numbers didn't move the story forward, but were there to show you why the show cost so much.  They were very entertaining, but not really needed.  However sometimes more is less, and I would like to see a cut down version where the story and score isn't constantly overwhelmed by flying monkeys, a dragon clock, etc.  Often shows (particularly in the last 20 years or so) use spectacle to hide a bad book and/or score.  In the case of WICKED, it detracts from the book and score since it doesn't need to be hid.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 07:27:08 PM
Thank you TOMOVOZ!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 07:31:29 PM
Oh, and now for today's kitchen tips:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/28/dining/28KITC.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/28/dining/28KITC.html)

Yes, it's the NY Times; and, yes, you will most likely need to register with the site to view it if you haven't already... But, it's a neat article... and the opening remarks about Mad Cow disease and the germs that we live with everyday in our own kitchens are quite... true.
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Post by: Danise on January 30, 2004, 07:34:53 PM
DR Danise - I will be giving the South Beach Diet a "try" once I'm back from Memphis next weekend.  -I HAVE to have my "meat and three" with the corn sticks and the hush puppies!!!!  Oh, and the ribs from The Rendezvous! I get a full rack - half wet/half dry!!

And since the Atkins people revised their thoughts on saturated fats, the Atkins Diet is VERY similar to the South Beach Diet - but the South Beach Diet introduces complex carbs and dietary fiber first rather than last on the "approved" list.  -Which is the one thing that didn't sit too well for me when I was on Atkins - even though I dropped 20 pounds in six weeks, and eventually 38 over six months (too many post-show receptions, holiday gatherings and closing night parties kind of hampered my initial progress ;-) )

-Maybe we could keep each other honest over the next couple of months?

*And clearing your kitchen cupboards of any "temptations" truly is the best thing in the world to do!  I was amazed that six weeks had passed before I even noticed that I hadn't had any sugar in six weeks!  It just wasn't readily accessible to me, so I never felt like I was trying to resist it since I didn't see it everytime I opened the fridge or the cupboard.

-Boy, I think I've mentioned all this before...

I would be more than happy to have some one to buddy diet with.  

I downloaded the book from E-bay and got a bonus of two thousand recepies  that should help somewhat.  

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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 30, 2004, 07:35:12 PM
Td & Noel, one of the ways I went from becoming just a casual fan of musicals to a more serious fan of musicals was that as a teenager, every night as I did my homework, I listened to a radio show emanating locally from Cincinnati across the river.  They would play most of the tracks from a musical and between numbers, the dj would read the plot synopsis off the back of the record jacket.  I'm sure I appreciated those musicals more and understood them more, because the numbers were put in context to the show.  I remember hearing shows for the first time like MAN OF LA MANCHA and ALL AMERICAN...It prompted me to go see LA MANCHA when it played the local touring house.  Nor did knowing the plot basics from the sketchy synopsis on the record jacket in any way diminish my appreciation of the muscial when I saw it full-blown in the flesh.

I think I have known the basic plot to almost every musical I've ever seen before going to see it live.

One of the frustrating things about listening to WICKED without a synopsis is that without knowing the context many of the songs lost their emotional impact and many were utterly indecipherable.  I just didn't have a clue about what they were singing.  TD, I really appreciate the synopsis you sent me and it has deepened my appreciation of the album, certainly...We'll have to wait to see if it does for the show, if I ever get to see a version of it.
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Post by: Jrand73 on January 30, 2004, 07:40:33 PM
New York Nick on the Style Network is taking his aunt and cousin to see HAIRSPRAY......

Time for bed....  See everyone tomorrow!  
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 07:41:06 PM
Well said Mr Pogue.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 30, 2004, 07:41:18 PM
George, Re:  The Judi Dench LITTLE NIGHT MUSIC.  Good Lord, I saw this production live onstage at the National! Had I but known I would have bought the album, but we had the original Broadway cast, so...
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 07:42:04 PM
DR WEL - Ohh.. that's right... Assassins... However, I have a feeling it will be get put in the "classic" category and end up being considered a revival.  Again, just my feeling...

However, on a slightly related note - It would be nice to see Doug Sills get nominated for his turn in Little Shop as Orin the Dentist and other assorted denizens of Skid Row.

As for the two shows currently on the stage of the Gershwin Theatre in NYC... Good point.  And it really is an intimate story with the all the machinations of Wizard of Oz and the Land of Oz as the background.  Much like the role of Vietnam in Miss Saigon.  -And I think I've related this before... the most moving Miss Saigon I ever attend was a piano sing-thru...  it really focused the story on the Kim, Chris, John, Ellen and the Engineer.  That "small" setting also helped to make the Engineer a more "sympathetic" - or at least "pathetic" - character.  No helicopters, over-sized Cadillacs or girls in light-up bikinis serving as distractions.

*Of course, I also have images of one of Mr. Pryce's, successors, Francis Ruivivar, as he tried to "mount" the Cadillac the first few times.  Mr. Pryce is a tall man.  Mr. Ruivivar is a big man.  I almost thought he was going to rip off the windshield with his efforts to stay on top! ;)
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Post by: Kerry on January 30, 2004, 07:42:56 PM
All morning long yesterday when I did not have access to the soundtrack of "Music Man," parts of the "Wells Fargo Wagon" kept going through my head. This (along with the rest of the show is deeply ingrained in my brain.  However, i had a senior moment and forgot what Montogomery Wards sent.  "A __________ and a cross-cut saw"

Was it a bathtub?
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Post by: Kerry on January 30, 2004, 07:45:00 PM
AND------- who recommended the sonar product to Jason to get rid of mice?  Does it really work, and what brnad is it?  A friend was asking and does not want to use the less humane traps or glue strips.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 07:47:50 PM
A difficult post to follow Kerry! Time for me to sign off for a while.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 07:49:15 PM
I think the sonar worked on Jason.
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Post by: Danise on January 30, 2004, 07:49:44 PM
Me too.  Time for bed.  Have a good evening all!

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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 07:54:08 PM
DR Kerry - I'm not sure who recommended the units to Jason... But I have two in my apartment in Richmond - they came in a very reasonably priced two-pack at my local Target - and they were on sale too!  Well...  I've had them for almost two years, and they really do seem to do the trick.  For my apartment, the problem was horse crickets - basically harmless - but, boy can they be annoying... and surprising when you turn on the lights in the kitchen at 3:00am to get a glass of water.  -Worst of all, they don't scare easily, so they just sit there like such fish... almost staring at you... "You want me to move?!?!?"... But I digress...  In any case, since I bought the units, I maybe see one of two crickets every two months, and we've never come across a rodent in our apartment - and we also stopped hearing creatures running in the ceiling too.  -Dontcha just love old houses!  So... As for brands, I think it's just going to be a matter of prices and features - mainly what kind of range a single unit has.  I keep one in the kitchen, and one in the front room.  "Technically" - at least from the info on the packaging, one unit could theoretically take care of the whole apartment.  But since it was a two-fer!
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Post by: Jay on January 30, 2004, 07:54:21 PM
This is so @#$%&ing bizarre.  I can get to pages 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 7 without a problem, but for whatever reason, I cannot access page 6.  Damn them.  Damn them all to hell.
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Post by: Noel on January 30, 2004, 07:59:11 PM
All morning long yesterday when I did not have access to the soundtrack of "Music Man," parts of the "Wells Fargo Wagon" kept going through my head. This (along with the rest of the show is deeply ingrained in my brain.  However, i had a senior moment and forgot what Montogomery Wards sent.  "A __________ and a cross-cut saw"

Was it a bathtub?

It was.
Montogomery Ward sent me a bathtub and a cross-cut saw.

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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 08:00:49 PM
DR Jay - If you're still having problems accessing Page 6 - here's the hyperlink:

http://www.haineshisway.com/community/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=163;start=150 (http://www.haineshisway.com/community/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=163;start=150)

Click and ye shall find... hopefully.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 08:04:11 PM
OH!  OH!  OH!!  I meant to congratulate The Jogging Jew on his Jogging!  Congrats, BK!  You're a much better man than I am right now.  And I even splurged on some real, really nice running shoes back in early November.  And I've only worn them once... and not for running?!!?  OH!  And as I was packing up my stuff from my parents house post-Camelot, I came across a New Balance shoe box in the closet... with running shoes that I bought last year during South Pacific still in them.. and they've never been worn!

-But, like I said, once I'm back from Memphis... and over 2,000 thousand recipes DR Danise?  That's quite a good deal!
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Post by: Jay on January 30, 2004, 08:08:59 PM
I saw Latter Days this afternoon, Dear Readers.  This is a new film about a young Morman missionary who meets and becomes involved with a stereotypical West Hollywood twink.  On one level, this is a traditional boy meets boy romantic story.  (That is, for as traditional as "boy meets boy" can get.)  It's also about turning one's life upside down in the search for personal identity, on the part of both lead characters in the film.  On yet another level, it's a rather damning social commentary on the Morman view of homosexuality (and its degree of acceptance of women and people of color.)  Well delineated dramatic narrative is blended with some very clever humor.  There's also quite an eyeful of passionate lovemaking, which one doesn't necessarily find in your run of the mill film that contains the notion of redemption at its heart.  The two leads (both new to the screen) are quite effective in their roles and Jaqueline Bisset and Mary Kay Place both make significant contributions in supporting roles.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 08:10:09 PM
After catching up on some reading tonight on the internet... I now have a new favorite name.. well at least last name... and it's a chef too!

Presenting: IAN CHALERMKITTICHAI

"Here Kittichai, Kittichai, Kittichai..."

;)

-Yes, I'm a bit punchy, but, hey, I've been up since 4:00AM - 19 hours so far!!!  Oh, I guess that means I should get to bed soon..
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Post by: Jay on January 30, 2004, 08:12:07 PM
DR Jay - If you're still having problems accessing Page 6 - here's the hyperlink:

http://www.haineshisway.com/community/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=163;start=150 (http://www.haineshisway.com/community/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=163;start=150)

Click and ye shall find... hopefully.

Thank you Dear Reader Jose, but clicking on that link gives me the same #$%^&*#ing error message I was getting before.  I guess page 6 of topic 100 shall forever remain unknown to me.

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%] >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:([/move]
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Post by: Jay on January 30, 2004, 08:16:54 PM
Picking up an a conversation that I saw somewhere before page 6 today...

At the opera, they print the whole freakin' story in the program.  It's never a surprise how things end at the opera.  In other words:

[size=8]La Boheme spoiler!!!    La Boheme spoiler!!!    La Boheme spoiler!!!    La Boheme spoiler!!!    La Boheme spoiler!!!    La Boheme spoiler!!!    La Boheme spoiler!!!    La Boheme spoiler!!!    [/size]

Mimi dies.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 08:17:27 PM
Thank you Dear Reader Jose, but clicking on that link gives me the same #$%^&*#ing error message I was getting before.  I guess page 6 of topic 100 shall forever remain unknown to me.

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%] >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:([/move]

Maybe you need to clear your cache?  or just close and reopen your browser... Hmmm ???
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Post by: Jennifer on January 30, 2004, 08:17:47 PM
I think it's easier to do the Atkins diet at home. It is not so easy to do it when eating out, since you can't always know what they put in things.  

As for the sypnoses, I agree I often like to know the shows before seeing them. I think it helps me enjoy them more.  But I think people should do whatever they want to do.  The people who like to go in fresh and be surprised, should do that.  But the people who want to know every detail of the show (or who may not ever get the chance to see the show) should read the synopsis.  Say there are major spoilers in it, and let people decide what they want to do.
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Post by: Jay on January 30, 2004, 08:19:40 PM
Maybe you need to clear your cache?  or just close and reopen your browser... Hmmm ???

I rebooted several times.  I would clear my cache.  That is, if I knew how to do such a thing.
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Post by: Jennifer on January 30, 2004, 08:22:02 PM
DR Jay: If you post a new message from "reply" (not quick reply) you should see most of the messages from page 6 (look under what you're typing).
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Post by: Jay on January 30, 2004, 08:24:32 PM
A brilliant idea, Dear Reader Jennifer!  Except that it covers all posts going back to #182.  Which is the third post on page....7.  I appreciate the thought, though.
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Post by: Matt H. on January 30, 2004, 08:28:34 PM
The DVD of PURSUIT TO ALGIERS has a couple of scratches but otherwise looks OK. Took a break from Sherlock Holmes and put in VALLEY OF THE GWANGI. Can I just say that James Fransiscus was one of the great beauties of his day? Good lord, that man was Adonis. I remember being mesmerized by MR. NOVAK on TV, but I never saw YOUNGBLOOD HAWKE which was supposed to be trashy but show him to perfection. Hard to think he could be any more beautiful in HAWKE than he is in this.

As for the DVD of GWANGI, I think the contrast is a little severe, but the colors are certainly deep and the print is very clean that was used for the transfer. I'm about 2/3 of the way through. Had to stop to watch the new MONK episode.
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Post by: Jennifer on January 30, 2004, 08:33:23 PM
Okay DR Jay: I have another idea. Do you see your link where it says "http://www.haineshis...."

Well where it ends in 180 for page 7. Change that number to 150. And I'll bet it will get you to page 6.




Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 08:35:06 PM
I rebooted several times.  I would clear my cache.  That is, if I knew how to do such a thing.

If you're using Windows and Internet Explorer...

-From your Start menu, open up Settings -> Control Panel
-Open Internet Options (double-click)
-Click the General Tab if it's not "clicked" already
-Under "Temporary Internet Files", click "Delete Files"
-Click the "Delete Offline Checkbox" if you like - for most users this should not cause any major "issues" down the line, AND it's a good thing to do if you happen to do a lot internet banking, etc. online.
-Click OK
-Wait a few seconds... or a few minutes as the case may be.
-Once the window goes away, the process is done.
-Open a new browser window... and see what happens.

-Now, these are instructions for Windows 98SE - I don't have enough room on my "ancient" laptop to load Windows XP,  but the general process should be the same.  If all else fails, it should be detailed under the "cache" subheadings in the Help Files.
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Post by: Jennifer on January 30, 2004, 08:35:58 PM
Or for clearing go to tools and click on internet options.  I'm not sure if deleting cookies/or clearing your history is what DR Jose meant.  But I am tempted to just email you page 6 :)
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 30, 2004, 08:39:17 PM
I'm saying that everyone should see the show, as soon as they can.  I understand that, for some, it will be many years before they see Wicked (tour, Australian premiere, local productions, whatever).

I'm saying that one of the many pleasures of the show are its surprising plot turns.
What you are implying is that seeing the show is the only way to enjoy it.  Balderdash.  I find the score is highly enjoyable as a listening experience, just as hearing the scores to other shows have been before this one.  Knowing the storyline, and how the songs fit into it, makes the score that much more enjoyable.  Also consider: a recording can be enjoyed many times.  Seeing a show is usually a one-shot.  I'd rather enjoy Wicked as much as I can every time I hear the score, rather than wait until that one time I may get to watch the show (which may never occur).
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I don't know why Holzman and Schwartz didn't include a synopsis with the CD of Wicked.  But, if I may be so bold, please allow me to assume that the creators of the show don't want their surprising twists revealed.  In fact, that's the only reason I can think of why a synopsis was left out.
As it stands, the booklet runs thirty-six pages.  This is quite bulky for an insert.  The synopsis that DR TD has been sending out runs a a little over four full 8X11 typewritten pages.  Even assuming that a synopsis provided by the producers cut the explanations to a minimum, this would have added several pages to an already thick booklet.  Unless, of course, they were to use a much smaller font, as was done for Sunday in the Park with George, which I have found a source of great eyestrain.  Therefore, space limitations seem a more likely reason for the storyline being MIA.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 08:59:19 PM
I just watched the dvd of WHALE RIDER!
Those people down under, in this case, New Zealand, sure do know how to make movies!
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 30, 2004, 09:02:17 PM
I rebooted several times.  I would clear my cache.  That is, if I knew how to do such a thing.
Close out of the Internet.  If you've got Windows in any of it's permutations, go to the "Start" button, which should lead to a menu that includes "Find", which will then lead to a sub-menu that includes "Files or Folders".  Click.  At the prompt, type in "Temporary Internet," and click to find.  This should bring up your Temporary Internet Cache.  Go to "Edit," and "Select All."  Then go to "File" and click on "Delete."

Hopefully, this will give a second question, asking whether or not you want to delete the selected cookies.  As der Brucer and I are using the same computer and some of those cookies are valuable to him, I click on "No."  The program will then run and either delete everything from your cache, or delete everything but your cookies.

I usually try to clear out our cache about once a week.  It just helps things run faster.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Matt H. on January 30, 2004, 09:02:42 PM
Heading off to bed now. Hope everyone enjoys the rest of the evening, and will converse more this weekend.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 09:06:41 PM
And before I head to slumberland...

As for knowing shows before seeing them... Isn't this akin to seeing a show for a second.. third.. or fourth time... or even more?  I've seen Sweeney Todd more times than I can remember - fortunately - but each time that "realization" comes in the last scene, I'm always right there with Sweeney as he's discovering it for the first time.  And the many times I've cried during Don Quixote's final "Dulcinea"...  Or the belly-laughs I get from the axe-passing scene in Noises Off... And the "gasp" at the end of act one of Proof.

Yes, there are people who like to be totally surprised when they go to see something - not listened to the cast recording, not read the script, not read the reviews, etc.

Yes, there are people who like to go in with some sort of preparation for what they are about to see.

And, more often than not, there are those people who first fell in love with the show from the original cast album - or even a televised/taped broadcast - or just a script - and then get to go to a theatre to see the show live on stage - in NYC, in LA, in Chicago, at a college, at a local community theatre, or even a high school!  And the magic begins again!

And if the "ideal" way to see a show is just to go in "blind" - twists or no twists, then I have a feeling audience attendance would be way down across the nation.  Not good for playwrights, not good for composers, not good for actors, not good for musicians...

And, finally, DR Panni, thank you for mentioning Andras Schiff.  He's one of my favorite pianists - his Bach playing is extraordinary!  *Actually, some times it overwhelms me since his voicing is at times too good, too clearly delineated, my mind goes into overload listening to all the nuances in each of the lines.  I first came across his playing via an album at the Arlington County Public Library.  It paired Bach's Goldberg Variations with Ginastera's First Piano Sonata - how I LOVE that piece!  (And I played it too on my graduation recital - <pat on the back>)  Interesting pairing, and great playing.  Hmmm.. I always keep meaning to see if his Ginastera has ever been released on CD... I guess I know where I'm browsing over to after I finish this...

And to all a Goodnight.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 09:07:07 PM
OZ press will probably try and claim "Whale Rider" now. There was probably an Australian making lunches for the crew. I suspect that many Australians still think "The Piano" was an Australian film. Did you notice any hobbits in the background shots td? For an excellent film IMHO I can recommend the NZ film "Once Were Warriors". My foster mother's step mother was from NZ. Does that mean I am hobbit related? I am height challenged.
Title: Re:THE JOGGING JEW
Post by: JoseSPiano on January 30, 2004, 09:15:03 PM
Oh - and I keep forgetting...

As for Wicked's CD booklet... I'm guessing the lack of "extras" in the booklet may in part be due to the relatively fast turn around time from recording to release.  Or maybe not...  *I do love the packaging for the Little Shop revival recording - although some sort of explanation and/or background on the bonus demo tracks would have been nice - or am I just not seeing them?!?!

And once again...
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Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 09:19:18 PM
OZ press will probably try and claim "Whale Rider" now. There was probably an Australian making lunches for the crew. I suspect that many Australians still think "The Piano" was an Australian film. Did you notice any hobbits in the background shots td? For an excellent film IMHO I can recommend the NZ film "Once Were Warriors". My foster mother's step mother was from NZ. Does that mean I am hobbit related? I am height challenged.

Well, you will have noticed that I have no longer mistaken New Zealand for Australia  ;)
Actually, during WHALE RIDER, it dawned on my that THE PIANO was also a New Zealand product - the Maori et al reminded me.
I saw no hobbits, but, being mythologically-imparied, I might not have noticed one had there been one   ;)
I did see a pod of whales. . some real, some not, but all beautifully photographed. . .
I yet to see ONCE WERE WARRIORS, but shall certainly look into it.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 09:23:24 PM
The post prozac version  "Once Were Worriers" is good too.
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Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 09:32:24 PM
The other day I received in the mail a box filled with photos, postcards, letters. etc which belonged to my recently deceased cousin. She was ninety when she died - a first cousin once removed, I think. (She and my mother were first cousins.) Anyway, looking through this box was and continues to be quite an experience on many levels.
...Sorry... I realize now that I'm too tired to write about it tonight, but rather than just delete all of the above, I'll leave it and will write more another time.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 09:32:30 PM
After the memory jog at HHW I cleaned out my cache and then forgot my password when I tried to log back on here.  Kept trying and eventually remembered - these senior's moments have a lot to answer for.
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Post by: bk on January 30, 2004, 09:34:40 PM
Back from a delightful supper and conversation adventure with PennyO.  Grand fun.

I, too, grew up devouring the synopses on the back of albums.  And knowing those synopses never stopped me from enjoying a show, plus they were never that detailed, so the entire evening of seeing a show for the first time was a total surprise.
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Post by: bk on January 30, 2004, 09:34:59 PM
And what a delightful number of postings to come home to.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 09:36:50 PM
DR Panni: Re photographs and memories (I know - a Jim Croce reference), have you caught up with the (to me) fascinating scripts and films of Stephen Poliakof - "Shooting The Past" and "Perfect Strangers" ?-They are both wonderful viewing. (Made for TV but now available (BBC) on DVD).
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Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 09:38:19 PM
Yet another reason for seeing WHALE RIDER:

(http://www.rotoruanz.com/rotoruanz/password/about_rotorua/history/rotorua_personalities/images/cliff_curtis.jpg)

Cliff Curtis!
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Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 09:38:53 PM
I have the news on in the background. Just heard that there are 37,000 serving in the US military who aren't American citizens!
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 09:42:37 PM
Perhaps they are serving the tea and cookies. (nearly wrote biscuits). I thought of another comment but there may still be children out there. Are you sure the broadcast didn't say "serving the military"?
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Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 09:42:41 PM
have you caught up with the (to me) fascinating scripts and films of Stephen Poliakof - "Shooting The Past" and "Perfect Strangers" ?-They are both wonderful viewing. (Made for TV but now available (BBC) on DVD).
I've never seen them. Thanks for the recommendation, Tomovoz, I'll look them up.
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Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 09:46:16 PM
Back from a delightful supper and converastion adventure with PennyO.  

Wish I could've been a fly on the wall (Pogue reference) to witness the "converasting."
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Post by: S. Woody White on January 30, 2004, 09:49:14 PM
But, oh, this word "elitist" --- Who's being elitist?  Schwartz and Holtzman for not including a synopsis?  For opening their show in San Francisco and then New York and not Pittsburgh?
The "elitistism" that both DR TD and I have referred to is an attitude that many of us find coming from some citizens of NYC, namely that what happens in that city is automatically important to everyone, and what happens elsewhere is of lesser importance.  New York has the "best" theater, the "best" restaurants, the "best" of everything...

But does it really?  

This placing of NYC on the pedistal is demeaning to those of us who do not live there, because it implys that the rest of us are not as worthy.  Even the name, "New York," is taken to mean the city, not the state, the residents of Albany, Syracuse, Buffalo et al being also-rans.  

This can stretch even to how news stories are reported.  Take, for instance, the blackout earlier this year.  Much of the Eastern seaboard was affected, and into the nation's heartland.  Power outages ran for weeks in some areas.  But the only reporting that took place reflected what was happening in NYC.  Once that single city got it's power back, the rest of the nation was left dangling, fending for itself the best it could.  The crisis that "mattered" was over, on to the next story.  And the people that weren't in NYC were implicitly told that they didn't matter as much.

But let's examine this a little more closely.  The power shortage didn't start in NYC; NYC was really just one player in the entire scheme of things.  So the story that really mattered, the one that got ignored, was the one about how the entire power grid fell down in the first place, and how the people who were not in NYC went about repairing the problem.

This is what those of us outside that single city face constantly.  

Further aggravating this is what so many of the rest of us know but New Yorkers seem to ignore: almost everything in New York City is imported, and little is created within the city itself.  Food, for instance.  If NYC were, for some reason, cut off from the rest of the world, people would be starving to death within a week or two.  The city does not create it's own food, it has to be brought in.  

Cutting this back to something less drastic, let's consider cuisine.  Go to any restaurant guide for NYC, and you'll find French restaurants, Italian restaurants, Chinese restaurants, almost any nation in the world restaurants, even American restaurants with all of it's permutations like Southern and Tex-Mex.  There are no listings for "New York" food.  Delis, you suggest?  Still no dice.  I've been to Zabars, and the roots of that food are found in Eastern Europe.  It's an import.

So, if everything in New York City is imported, why should the rest of us wait until we get to NYC to sample these things?  Why not, instead, go directly to the source, and sample them in their pure form?  The reason is because NYC, for a very long time, insisted that IT was the source and not just a clearing-house.  THAT was (and is) the elitist attitude, and for a very long time everyone fell for that story.  

But that's not selling the way it used to.  We've become aware of the "man behind the curtain," and his humbuggery is fooling us less and less.

So, why should we go to New York City?

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Post by: bk on January 30, 2004, 09:51:38 PM
Panni, I have no idea what you are talking about re "converasting".
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Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 09:53:42 PM
You were supposed to converast a personalized "td' hello to DR PennyO whilst you were supping.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 09:54:05 PM
The wonders of the modify button.
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Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 09:59:53 PM
Jay - I read a review of Latter Days somewhere today (LA Times?) and was interested in the fact that the writer-director is a former Mormon (a Formon?). I'm going to see the film when (if ever) I have the time. I have a very good friend who is a devout Mormon - born Jewish, a brilliant woman, very open-minded and liberal, has a home that's open to anyone in need... and, as I said, a devout Mormon. Knowing her and her family has really made me examine many of my attitudes about groups that we automatically label one thing or the other without closer examination. I'm not saying that I understand or agree with Mormon beliefs, but I also can no longer just issue a blanket condemnation.
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Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 10:03:14 PM
Panni, I have no idea what you are talking about re "converasting".

Good attempt at gaslighting, bk, but the PROOF is in the QUOTE in my post. No matter what you say I am not INSANE. Now get out of my soup.
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Post by: bk on January 30, 2004, 10:11:19 PM
The proof is in the pudding, my dear woman.  
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Post by: td on January 30, 2004, 10:12:31 PM
Did you have pudding with PennyO?
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Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 10:15:39 PM
Get out of my pudding, too.
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Post by: Andrea on January 30, 2004, 10:15:48 PM
I have the news on in the background. Just heard that there are 37,000 serving in the US military who aren't American citizens!

And surprisingly 37, 000 less in the Canadian army:)

Question: What's the cheapest way to fly to florence?
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Post by: SwishySarah on January 30, 2004, 10:20:22 PM
Take a plane.
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 10:22:26 PM
Make Florence pay. Just make sure you get a "Room With A View".
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Post by: Noel on January 30, 2004, 10:26:03 PM
What you are implying is that seeing the show is the only way to enjoy it.  Balderdash

I made no such implication...

Cast albums can be enjoyed.  I've never heard the cast album for Wicked/b] and have made no comment on the experience of listening to it.

I have every reason to assume that listening to the Wicked CD is very enjoyable.  Some great voices there, and some effective songs.

When the subject of the Wicked synopsis came up, I had no idea so many DRs were having difficulty enjoying it without the synopsis to read.  The thought never occurred to me.  I stand corrected.

I've recently seen Wicked where it's currently playing, Broadway.  The show had a long run earlier last year in San Francisco.  One of the things I enjoyed about it were some surprising plot twists towards the end of the show.  I'm only speaking for myself when I say my experience of the show would have been substantially diminished had I known in advance.

So, (helpfully, I thought) I suggested DRs think twice about looking at a synopsis before seeing the show.

For this I am called elitist?
For this I am treated to a huge lecture about how New York doesn't cook it's own food?
For this I am guilty of putting my home town on some sort of a pedestal?
And guilty of ignoring the rest of the state?

Come on, guys, I was trying to help you enjoy a musical, for crissakes, one I hope you'll all see sooner or later.  I said again and again you could do what you want.

For 9 years I lived with a guy who shared my love of musicals.  One day I referred to the "stinger" moment of recognition in Sweeney Todd's second act.  He gave me the angriest look.  I'd never seen such a look on this incredibly affable guy.  He'd not seen Sweeney Todd and I'd ruined the big surprise for him.

But you have the album, I stammered,  You play it all the time.

Only the first act, he answered.  I felt terrible.
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Post by: PennyO on January 30, 2004, 10:27:30 PM
Did you have pudding with PennyO?

Hi, there. Home again. Nope, no puddings were had by the carb-deprived. But great converasting. We were stumped by the dearth of great actresses of 50 or so, to play Minnie Kritzer... Barbara Streisand? nope, won't behave. But Tracy Ullman would be great. Or Judy Holliday. Oh, we bandied names about. Who else is out there, waiting for the Oscar-winning role of Minnie???
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Post by: Tomovoz on January 30, 2004, 10:27:51 PM
I've just noticed that PennyO is here. Now we have the truth about the pudding. I just had change the tense of the last statement. Once again the wonders of "modify".
perhaps there was no pudding has there was not enough time to "prove" the pudding dough. I suspect that term is somewhat archaic but it is whence the "proof is in the pudding" saying is derived.
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Post by: PennyO on January 30, 2004, 10:36:36 PM
Hey, I plan to see Wicked next month when I'm in NYC. And - just for the record - I do believe that New Yawk, New Yawk is the absolute center of my UNIVERSE. This is not to say that my own hometown isn't wonderful, or my forest retreat isn't a perfect haven, or that On The Road doesn't have its own special charm. But they's noplace on earth that affects me like Mecca. Irresistable to me.
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Post by: PennyO on January 30, 2004, 10:40:20 PM
I'm so sleepy, after all that friggin salad we ate at a perfectly lovely little jernt. Headin' for bed, kids. Happy dreams. Nitey-nite, Bruce dear. (smooch!)
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Post by: Panni on January 30, 2004, 11:00:35 PM
No more converasting tonight. I'm going to sign off. Eyes tired. Good-night, all
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Post by: Charles Pogue on January 30, 2004, 11:26:24 PM
Bruce, caught Cowboy U tonight (and we have stayed strangely glued to the damned station the rest of the night...watching profiles on country stars Tim McGraw and Faith Hill).  Next week looks like the final round-up contest...I assume that is the other episode you did.