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Title: THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 12:02:59 AM
Holey moley on rye, I'll be swacked and pickled in moonshine - you've read the notes and you know that today is going to be a riot.  Yes, Virginia, today is going to be a riot.  I haz spoken.  Post away, my pretties.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 12:05:02 AM
I need one of them little Japanese geishas to step on my back.
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:08:46 AM
What's with this fixation on the Japanese? Couldn't a Dutch person, or someone from Greenland, or, better yet, a heavy German, do just as well?
(Oops - spoo - I haven't read the Notes yet.)
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 12:16:05 AM
You must NEVER post without having read the notes.  That is just not done and now you must go in the corner and flog yourself like Judge Turpin.

Someone asked what two goodies I got at the book fair on Saturday.  I got a first edition of Ernest Gann's The High and the Mighty, an incredibly hard first to find.  In fact, this is the first time I've ever seen one and I'm shocked it hadn't been snapped up by one of the dealers.  Not in primo condition, but the jacket, which has some interior staining near the flap folds, is complete, not price-clipped and outwardly looks pretty nice.  The book itself is in near fine condition.  The only reason I think that someone hadn't snapped it up was because the dealer was in one of the out-of-the-way rooms.  It was incredibly priced for such a rarity, in fact I couldn't believe how cheap it was (in fact, it was one of the only reasonably-priced books at the fair.  I looked it up on the ABE and the only first in jacket listed (in similar condition) is going for 1250 bucks (albeit, signed).  That's one hundred percent more than I paid for it.

The other goodie was a Fine copy in Fine jacket of Robert Traver's Anatomy of a Murder.  This is a book that just never ever shows up in collectible condition.  It was actually not unreasonably priced, but the dealer, who is a friend, took almost fifty percent off and I had to get it.  Again, the only like copy on the ABE (NOT in as good condition at all) is listed at 850, which is hugely more than I got it from.  My copy is also a "review copy" which makes it even more valuable.
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:19:21 AM
Now I've read the Notes. I also love "The Party's Over"... In fact, as a younger me, I used to sing it in front of the mirror holding some object or other as a microphone in the smoky nightclub that was my bedroom. My audience was usually my dog, Gypsy (all my dogs were called Gypsy - I mean I only had one at a time, but when that one passed on to doggie heaven, the next one would be Gypsy.) Gypsy always enjoyed my emotional rendition of the song.
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Post by: Jed on February 10, 2004, 12:21:17 AM
Styne - So much wonderful stuff, of course, but the first to pop in my head would be "It's A Perfect Relationship" and "The Party's Over."
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 12:21:37 AM
Isn't it ironic that you sung a Jule Styne song to a dog named Gypsy?
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 12:22:00 AM
I need one of them little Japanese geishas to come over and step on my back.
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:22:17 AM
I just flogged myself and it felt good. Who knows where this will lead?
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:23:51 AM
Isn't it ironic that you sung a Jule Styne song to a dog named Gypsy?

Yes! As you say, my life is one big DRAMA. I may just flog myself again,
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:25:39 AM
Are we having a late-night posting frenzy?
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 12:26:14 AM
Did you ever flog yourself whilst playing golf?  You simply must, because golf IS flog, spelled backwards.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:26:21 AM
Am I having a late-night posting frenzy?
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 12:27:06 AM
You are your own frenzy.
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:28:15 AM
"Golf- flog"

And educational, too. An educational late-night frenzy,
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:30:28 AM
Frenzy is yznerf backwards. Sounds like an emigree violinist.
 "Schlomo Yznerf will now play Beethoven."
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:32:23 AM
Have you found a Japanese back-walker yet? Studio City has everything. I think there's an all-night back-walking place next to the Gap.
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 10, 2004, 12:32:59 AM
First melody I thought of listing was "You'll Never Get Away From Me". The BK produced Judy Kuhn sings  Styne has all my favourites. What an amazing composer and what a wonderful CD by one hell of a singer. I raher like the two volume Styne Overtures from TER as well.
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:34:20 AM
Why is nobody saying anything? I don't like being a one-woman frenzy. It's unseemly.
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:35:25 AM
Thank you for speaking, Tomovoz.
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:37:09 AM
I should sign off. I'm still wide awake. Perhaps I'll sing "The Party's Over" for Abie, the wonderdog. 'Night, Frenzy Friends.
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 10, 2004, 12:38:07 AM
And I had refrained from wantin to write wanton. Self flagellation. Let's have a whip round. Bastinado may make for an interesting alternative if you become bored but self administering it may present some difficulty. "Midnight Express" anyone?
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 12:38:19 AM
I have always tried to give It's a Perfect Relationship to my female singers and have had no takers.  It is one of the most sublimely perfect character introduction songs ever written.  And Judy Holliday is hearbreakingly funny doing it in a way that no one will be able to top.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 10, 2004, 12:42:21 AM
I need one of them little Japanese geishas to come over and step on my back.

And while she's at it, she could proof the galleys of your "Notes", and then instead of:
"...They kind of gave her an “I want” song, but it came to late..."

you would have written "...it came too late..."

der Brucer (yes, dear BK, sone of us do read your notes, yes we really, really, do - and it's so unlike you to miss "too", it's just too, too unlike you!)

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Post by: Jed on February 10, 2004, 12:45:14 AM
I wholeheartedly agree, BK.  "It's A Perfect Relationship" is perfection in character introduction.  Sure, hard to measure up to Judy Holliday's wondrous rendition of it, but such a fabulous song!
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Post by: Jed on February 10, 2004, 12:46:11 AM
Good golly, it's an old-fashioned late-night posting frenzy!
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 10, 2004, 12:47:52 AM
And for the record:

Michael Quinion on his site World Wide Words (http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-rea1.htm) posts the following:

[Q] From Gloria Spielman: “What is the origin of the expression to read someone the riot act?”

[A] These days, it’s just a figurative expression meaning to give an individual or a group a severe scolding or caution, or to announce that some unruly behaviour must cease. But originally it was a deadly serious injunction to a rioting crowd to disperse.

The Riot Act was passed by the British government in 1715. This was the period of the Catholic Jacobite riots, when mobs opposed to the new Hanoverian king, George I, were attacking the meeting houses of dissenting groups. There was a very real threat of invasion by supporters of the deposed Stuart kings—as actually happened later that year and also in 1745. The government feared uprisings, and passed a draconian law making it a felony if a group of more than twelve persons refused to disperse more than an hour after magistrates had told them to do so. To invoke the law, the magistrates had to read the relevant section of the Act aloud to the mob, something that often required courage:

Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons being assembled immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the act made in the first year of King George for preventing tumultuous and riotous assemblies. God save the King.
 
The pains or penalties were penal servitude for life or not less than three years, or imprisonment with or without hard labour for up to two years. The Act remained in force for a surprisingly long time, only finally being repealed in 1973, though it had been effectively defunct for decades.

der Brucer (his daily contribution to information overload)


Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 12:51:58 AM
Why, dear der Brucer, I don't know WHAT you're talking about, really I don't.
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 12:53:09 AM
It is VERY windy here in the City of Studio.  It's kind of eerie and nice, not necessarily in that order.
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Post by: Jed on February 10, 2004, 12:54:14 AM
And while she's at it, she could proof the galleys of your "Notes", and then instead of:
"...They kind of gave her an “I want” song, but it came to late..."

And here I thought he was talking about the song somehow regaining consciousness after some period of time.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 12:56:14 AM
I need one of them little Japanese geishas to come over and step on my back.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 10, 2004, 12:58:38 AM
Why, dear der Brucer, I don't know WHAT you're talking about, really I don't.

Oh, but in the hidden recesses of your hardened heart - you know!

der Brucer (thinking Bk doesn't fight fair)

(Wouldn't it be nice if we could edit your galleys that easily?)
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 12:59:47 AM
It's okay - I'm just giving you the Gaslight treatment.

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Post by: Jed on February 10, 2004, 01:02:05 AM
It's okay - I'm just giving you the Gaslight treatment.

I think the little Japanese geishas charge extra for that.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 10, 2004, 01:14:09 AM
I think the little Japanese geishas charge extra for that.

DR Jed, does your therapist know about these fantasies?

Inquiring minds want to know.

der Brucer (thinking we need a posting frenzy on fantasies!)

Hmm..."Fantasy Frenzies" - sounds like a sequel to "First Nudie Musical")
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 10, 2004, 01:21:22 AM
It's okay - I'm just giving you the Gaslight treatment.


I'll bet I'll be an better Ingrid Bergman, than you'll be a Charles Boyer.

der Brucer (announcing the casting call for BK's remake of "Gaslight")
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 10, 2004, 01:51:44 AM
Just in from Charles Pogue's secret Mini-cam:

(http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_articles/08/00/20040108053709990007.40283256-0014c-03a2c-6e89bccd)

der Brucer (who should be in bed!)
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 03:37:18 AM
I need one of them little Japanese geishas to come over and step on my back.
I have a three-year-old grandlad who could do the job...no, wait, bad idea, he runs instead of walks.  Sorry, nevermind.
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 04:00:27 AM
DR Panni: You never know about meeting in person!  Der Brucer and I may have a reason to travel west, you may have cause to travel east.  We could meet in St. Louis!  

As for the punks, rest assured, they are the exception, not the rule.  Cities seem to bring them to a critical mass, which makes them bold enough to be nasty without fear of getting their proverbial knuckles rapped, but they can be found even here in the rural areas.

Still, I meet more generous people than not, and even more who respond to a friendly word and a smile.  It sounds like a cliche, but it's true, at least for me.
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 04:01:33 AM
Just in from Charles Pogue's secret Mini-cam:

(http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_articles/08/00/20040108053709990007.40283256-0014c-03a2c-6e89bccd)

der Brucer (who should be in bed!)
Now THAT looks a lot more like Delaware!
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 04:44:04 AM
Congratulations, SS!   ;D

Thanks TomOVOZ & MBarnum.  :D

So many wonderful - and sad things - yesterday.  Yes we have drama and comedy here at HHW!

Jule Styne is a favorite of mine - DR Noel can dissect that rhyme.

"You'll Never Get Away From Me" of course, and "Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend", and the score to 'Bells Are Ringing' but especially "Perfect Relationship", "I'm Going Back", and "Little System" - not sure of that title, but it's the song about the race tracks and classical music!

Here MR BK....enjoy!  :P
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Post by: Noel on February 10, 2004, 04:44:14 AM
BK, who are Peter Schneiderman and Arthur Alan Seidelmen and what do they do?

I'll be e & t - meeting my violinist at 8:30 a.m. and I'll be lucky if rehearsal ends before midnight.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 04:47:16 AM
And here is your Allison Hayes picture of the week.

As Tonda in 'The Disembodied', she gets the drop on Paul Burke.  :o
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Post by: Ben on February 10, 2004, 05:01:56 AM
Wow, 42 posts by 8am EST. That's a switch from the usual morning posts lately. I'll be back later with more thoughts on Styne (not Stein or Stine)
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 05:14:06 AM
I also dislike the words "arc" and "journey" when talking about a show.  I dislike the word "texture" when talking about a movie.

Do any other DR's have description words that they think are mis-used, over-used, or inappropriate?

MR BK - do you think the writers of the show last night just chose the wrong starting point for the presentation?  It must have had some merit, or they wouldn't have chosen it, right?  Right?  

DRMATTH is right when he says that SUNSET BOULEVARD has never really been a hit - and he is also correct, I think, when he says a lot of the appeal of the original movie was Gloria Swanson....I love it when she tells the guard:  "And teach your friend some manners, tell him without me he wouldn't even have a job, because without me there wouldn't be any studio."   ....LOL...and she was right!
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 05:19:23 AM
Well, it had to happen at some point.

Der Grampa Brucer has been called to be the ladsitter today.  His daughter's daycare's kids are all sick, or enough of them are that she was called earlier to be told "Don't bring your li'l ones in," so der Brucer is dashing off to take care of the younger one all day, and the older when he gets back from school.  

I'm staying home.  I've got to get this kitchen back in working order, if only because we're out of cookies!

 ::)
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Post by: Kerry on February 10, 2004, 05:21:02 AM
Panni-

Your incident last night at the coffee place is one that has happened to other people I know of-- usually outside of bars (so the accusers could say the person was drunk).  It's a scam.  If anything comes of it, get a good aggressive attorney, pics of both cars, etc.   Hopefully it won't go any further, but either way, it's a pain in the neck.  The main thing is don't let it throw you.

Maybe you and Bruce should BOTH get someone to walk on your backs.

Bruce, go get a massage and be happy.

Yes, Ben and Ant-- I loved the pic yesterday-- cute as ever!!!!!!!!

"Be a Santa," "It's A Perect Relationship," "I Fall in Love Too Easily,"  "Long Before I Knew You" and all of GYPSY.

Now, how could a man who wrote all those do something as awful as "Prettybelle"?  You get Jule Styne, Angela Lansbury, Gower Champion-- you'd think you'd have a hit.  But then it was the mid-60's, and no one knew what they were doing with musicals then.  Do you go traditional like "Hello Dolly," or do you try to be hip and appeal to a younger crowd?  There was some real drek in those years (mixed in with some great stuff, of course).
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 05:28:32 AM
I also hate the words "arc" and "journey" when talking about a show.  I hate the word "texture" when talking about a movie.

Do any other DR's have description words that they think are mis-used, over-used, or inappropriate?
Don't get me started on the word "hate."

Too late, you've already pushed my button.

My problem with the word is that it suggests an extreme emotional reaction, while so many people use it to mean things like "dislike" or "don't care for."  There are so many other words that can be used, but instead at the drop of the most casual hat people resort to saying "Hate it!"

Bleh.

This is made even worse by the introduction of the phrase "hate crime," which is a very real thing.  Unfortunately, because "hate" is also used to deplore the most trivial of dislikes, what "hate crime" is becomes hard to explain.  Thus, there are lawmakers who insist that "Well, every crime is a hate crime," when that isn't true.  (Typically, these lawmakers are more inclined than others to be derogatory of some of their constituents because of race, class, gender, you get the idea.)

Of course, when I point out to people the problem with the word "hate," I usually get thrown in my face that I'm trying to dictate how others use words.  Gawd, how I hate that.

 :P
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 05:41:53 AM
Even though the "quote" reflects the original, I have modified my post and your point is taken DR SWW.
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on February 10, 2004, 06:24:55 AM
Some Jule Styne favorites:

Let's See What Happens (Darling of the Day)
Long Before I Knew You, Just in Time, The Party's Over (Bells Are Ringing)
Fireworks (Do Re Mi)
Sunshine (Gentlemen Prefer Blondes)
Once in a Lifetime (Subways Are for Sleeping)
Don't Rain on My Parade (Funny Girl)
You'll Never Get Away from Me and Everything's Coming Up Roses (Gypsy)
When It Happens to You (The Red Shoes - thanks, Unsung Musicals)

And two from the movies:
I'll Walk Alone (Cahn), and on the flip side
I Don't Want to Walk Without You, Baby (Loesser)
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Post by: Ben on February 10, 2004, 06:29:15 AM
Even though I used this very word at this very site yesterday, I do think the word "brilliant" is overused. When everything from Zsa Zsa's performance in that 1950s sci-fi movie (the name escapes me but I'm sure there are many here at HHW who know to which film I refer) to 1970s television shows is labeled as "brilliant" the word loses it's special quality. It becomes just another adjective. And yes, I have a friend who insists that Zsa Zsa's performance in that movie is brilliant and he's serious about it. The word brilliant now, for me, seems to be on the same level as a standing ovation. Broadway shows routinely get standing ovations, deserving or not. People seem to think that if you don't stand you're being rude. Miss Stritch, in my humble opinion, was deserving of a standing ovation. The recent revival of Gypsy, as much as I enjoyed it, was not. But that's just my humble opinion.
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Post by: Ben on February 10, 2004, 06:30:23 AM
Ah, yes. Long Before I Knew You. What a wonderful song.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 06:30:55 AM
'Queen of Outer Space"
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Post by: Ben on February 10, 2004, 06:36:43 AM
Thank you, JRand. I knew someone would be able to name that movie. It's a hoot. I laughed and laughed at it, but brilliant. I'm not so sure about that.
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Post by: William E. Lurie on February 10, 2004, 06:41:49 AM
Page 2 this early in the day!

BK, didn't The Riot Act play on the same bill as George Burns and Fink's Mules on the Orphium circuit?

As I said with Sondheim, there are so many Styne songs it's hard to pick.  From his early pop-oriented movie years I'd say "I Fall In Love Too Easily"; from his Broadway years either "It's A Simple Little System" from BELLS ARE RINGING or "Don't Rain On My Parade" from FUNNY GIRL.

To those of you who mentioned "You'll Never Get Away From Me", when Styne first wrote it for the television special "Ruggles of Red Gap" it was called "I'm in Pursuit of Happiness".  He then gave the music to BK's personal friend Mr. Sondheim who wrote new lyrics to it for GYPSY.  Mr. Sondheim later said that if he had known it was a recycled song he would not have written the new version.

Last night was the first Broadway by the Year for the season... 1926.  What can you say about a year with songs and shows by George & Ira Gershwin, Irving Berlin, Rodgers & Hart (4 shows on Broadway, 1 in London and 1 nightclub revue!), Sigmund Romberg, Oscar Hammerstein II, & DeSylva, Brown & Henderson?  Only that it was impossible to sing them all in one evening.  And more and more they are doing away with the amplification.  They tried this last year with one song and the response was so great that by last night they did six or seven songs unmiked, and with Sutton Foster doing "Someone to Watch Over Me" or Marc Kudish doing selections from "The Desert Song" the results were wonderful.  The rest of the cast (Nancy Anderson, Bill Daugherty, Eddie Korbich and Nancy Opel) all had their un-miked moments too, and were just as good.  I hope that this trend will continue and by the end of the season at least half the songs will be sung that way. [The miked songs were for the most part good too, but not quite as special]
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on February 10, 2004, 06:43:41 AM
After reading last night's late posts, I am reminded again that HHW is a community.
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Post by: Lulu on February 10, 2004, 06:54:54 AM
Sorry to say I can't really contribute in a meaningful way to the topic of the day.

ITA with Ben about the overuse of certain adjectives like "brilliant."  Another one that gets me is "genius," as in "he/she is an absolute GENIUS!!!" when speaking of, for example, someone who does window treatments on one of those ubiquitous home and garden shows.  Puh-leeze.  The person in question may be talented, or skilled, or "have an eye" (though on these shows, imo, these things probably aren't true, either), but "genius?"  Remember when that word was reserved for Albert Einstein or Copernicus or Madame Curie?  Someone who combined extraordinary intelligence with genuine contributions to the knowledge base and progress of humankind?  It might be a cute idea to put mosquito netting over your bed, but is it truly a stroke of genius?

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Post by: Matt H. on February 10, 2004, 07:42:33 AM
My favorite Stynes:

"Make SOmeone Happy"

all of GYPSY but particularly "If Momma Was Married" and "You'll Never Get Away from Me"

all of BELLS ARE RINGING but especially "Long Before I Knew You" and "Just in Time."

"Bye, Bye Baby"

"Neverland"


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Post by: Matt H. on February 10, 2004, 07:50:25 AM
Golly, I forgot to even mention FUNNY GIRL - "The Music That Makes Me Dance," "I Want to Be Seen with You," and "Cornet Man."

Forgot to mention HALLELUJAH BABY = "My Own Morning"

I have to admit that I've never heard the scores of LOOK TO THE LILIES, TREASURE ISLAND, or THE RED SHOES, so I can't comment on them. I have PRETTYBELLE here, and I enjoyed listening to it YEARS ago, but I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable about it now to comment on any songs as favorites.

I do like "Once in a Lifetime" from SUBWAYS, and probably one or two others from that show, but again, it's one I need to take down and refamiliarize myself with.
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Post by: Matt H. on February 10, 2004, 07:57:42 AM
I read today that the STAR WARS trilogy will be coming to DVD on September 21st with the transfers being from George Lucas' updated 1997 versions of the films.

I guess that means those widescreen laserdiscs and videotapes of the originals will really become prized collectors' items since they contain the original versions of the films which Lucas doesn't want to ever be seen again.
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Post by: Ben on February 10, 2004, 07:58:35 AM
HALLELUJAH BABY-Talkin' to Yourself
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Post by: Jennifer on February 10, 2004, 08:02:08 AM
Good morning everyone!

I was also totally horrified by DR Panni's story last night.  But I think I was most horrified not by the laughing, but rather that anyone would actually accuse someone of a hit and run.  I agree, you should have threatened to call the police.  I am totally disgusted with those kids.

Btw, DR Panni, you truly have a way with words.  Your description of giving the homeless man money was very moving.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 08:02:24 AM
Oh I don't know, DRLULU, I think fung shei is a concept even Norman Einstein would appreciate.
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Post by: Jennifer on February 10, 2004, 08:06:45 AM
DR Danise: I'm curious, have you included exercise with your new diet?  I was SO good with the exercising for about a week. And now I've stopped again this past week. I want to do pilates at least 3 times a week! Bad, bad girl! :(
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 08:32:16 AM
We could meet in St. Louis!
Could we invite Margaret O'Brien?
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 08:36:49 AM
For Noel: My fellow panelist Peter Schneiderman was president of Disney animation for seventeen years, from Little Mermaid until 1999.  He's now an independent producer.  Arthur Alan Seidelman, my other fellow panelist, is a director - he's done seven of the Reprise! shows out here in LA, as well as lots of TV.  He had some show in NY this season, something with dance lessons in the title.
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 08:37:24 AM
Even though no geisha showed up, my back feels scads better today.
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 08:39:18 AM
Oh, and MattH, someone posted the Star Wars news last night at http://dvds.allaccessworld.com - The DVD Place.  I think we had the news before even some of those other hoity-toity sites we all know and don't love.
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 08:43:33 AM
Good morning. Overused word which makes me angry: "Nazi." As in the "Nazi tactics of the parking authority or the CIA..." Usually used by right-minded well-meaning people to describe some sort of injustice. But, I'm sorry, they don't know what the HELL they're talking about. Nazis stomped on babies and threw people into ovens.  That's my short rant for the morning.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 08:45:43 AM
I agree DRPANNI - that is why I never liked HOGAN'S HEROES....the Nazis were NOT bumbling idiots or objects of fun...the whole premise of that show (and some of the performers in it) set me off...still does.
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 08:50:32 AM
If anything comes of it, get a good aggressive attorney, pics of both cars, etc.   Hopefully it won't go any further, but either way, it's a pain in the neck.  

I'm pretty sure nothing will come of it. And what the punks (who were well-dressed punks) don't know is that I have a secret weapon. The script I'm working on at the moment - a true story about a homeless person, ironically - also has a female police officer as a main character. The real officer and I have become quite friendly and she's always saying to me, "If there's anything I can do for you, any help you need, just call..." In other words, I got connections, man.
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 08:52:39 AM

Btw, DR Panni, you truly have a way with words.

Thank you, DR Jennifer.
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Post by: JMK on February 10, 2004, 08:53:40 AM
I second Ben's motion for "Talking to Yourself," one of the most gorgeous ballads of the 60s, which had its share of gorgeous ballads.

The reponse to my Frances Farmer research has been overwhelming--you know you're on to something when a post to a Usenet group is met with respectful responses!!  If anyone is affiliated with any classic film groups or classic actor/actresses group, please invite them to read it.

http://hometown.aol.com/jmkauffman/sheddinglight.html

There is a good chance now that this research will be reported by some northwest press outlets and be included in at least one of two upcoming books on Frances.  Keep fingers and toes crossed.

BTW, I also hate the terms "arc" and "journey."  They were bandied about by an Artistic Director who had optioned a certain show of mine which is about two characters whose whole "arc" is that they don't HAVE an arc--they are "stuck" between hope and the sad realities of their lives.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 08:56:29 AM
What two upcoming books about Frances?
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 08:57:19 AM
Enough writing for fun. Must get to work. While I was walking this morning I solved a script problem that's been puzzling me for two days and now I'll write the scene. BTW- Do other DRs find that they get good ideas, solutions to problems, etc.  while doing some activity (showering, walking, sleeping) that has nothing to do with the problem at hand?
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jed on February 10, 2004, 09:02:11 AM
The word brilliant now, for me, seems to be on the same level as a standing ovation. Broadway shows routinely get standing ovations, deserving or not. People seem to think that if you don't stand you're being rude. Miss Stritch, in my humble opinion, was deserving of a standing ovation. The recent revival of Gypsy, as much as I enjoyed it, was not. But that's just my humble opinion.

It goes well beyond Broadway shows.  It seems any performance of any sort is now instantly greeted with a standing ovation.  I've become quite accustomed to being "the jerk who won't stand up."
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 09:02:17 AM
Always DRPANNI...always.  It's a rule and a function of the mind to continue to work on something even while it's thinking about something else.  And the thought process is so unique, sometimes NOT thinking about something gives us the answer!  
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Post by: Kerry on February 10, 2004, 09:02:17 AM
Panni,

I get all my best ideas and meditation adn thoughts for the day while I'm in the shower.  It's my safe place.  Maybe it's the warm water and the whole going back to the womb thing-- I don't know.  But I find the process exhilirating, relaxing and very productive.  AND i get clean! :D
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 09:05:13 AM
DR KERRY do you ever think so much you get wrinkled?
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Post by: TCB on February 10, 2004, 09:08:42 AM
Have you found a Japanese back-walker yet? Studio City has everything. I think there's an all-night back-walking place next to the Gap.

Not to mention, a gap-walker out back.
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 09:13:15 AM
I also get a lot of inspiration in the shower.  Also whilst walking briskly and/or jogging.  Whenever I was having problems on the Kritzer books I'd just jog or shower and they'd set themselves right in no time.  

Speaking of Kritzer Time, should we have an approved galley in the next week, I will start taking preorders immediately, right here at haineshisway.com.  It will be available here first, and won't show up at amazon for a few weeks thereafter.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: William F. Orr on February 10, 2004, 09:17:43 AM
Correction:

To my trivia question from yesterday--which no one has addressed, by the way.

I said that one of Captain Picard's singing lady friends had been recorded by BK.  That, of course, is less than the truth.  Actually, two of them have starred in musicals whose cast albums were recorded by BK--and one of the ladies had part of her role dubbed by BK himself, because, talented as she may be, she was unable to perform that particular bit, and BK was.

So, anyone have a guess on at least one of them?  Or all three?
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Post by: JMK on February 10, 2004, 09:19:16 AM
JR--the American Atheist writer is hoping to develop his upcoming article on FF into a full-length book.  It will focus mostly on FF as a labor rights icon, as well as her supposed "atheism" (though I've repeatedly pointed out that "God Dies" was not an atheist screed, and she certainly was devoutly religious later in life).

The other book is still in development, but stay tuned!!  Hainsies/Kimlets will be among the first to know!
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 09:19:27 AM
Jrand53 gets into the pre-order line forming now.

DAMMIT - DR JMK - and I let my subscription to
 American Atheist expire.  :P
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jed on February 10, 2004, 09:25:01 AM
WFO - I'd guess Donna Murphy for one of 'em.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 09:26:27 AM
OMG DR WFO - I mentioned your question yesteday and said it was too hard!  But I think I finally have the third one:

My guesses would be:

Amanda McBroom, Donna Murphy, and Bebe Neuwirth!

DR JED did you read the link about the Langley Schools Project?
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 09:27:20 AM
Donna would definitely be correct, since I dubbed here whistling in I Whistle a Happy Tune.
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Post by: Jane on February 10, 2004, 09:27:39 AM
I should not have turned off the computer so early last night.  The posts were very moving.  I will comment later after I have read today’s notes.  I need to dry my hair & leave for my monthly book discussion group, but first…

I get it!  From high on your perch SWoodyWhite, our newest God

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]CONGRATULATIONS!![/move]

Sorry I was so dense.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 09:30:24 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]WELCOME TO HHW [/move]
[move=up,scroll,6,transparent,100%]GOD SWW!!![/move]
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jed on February 10, 2004, 09:30:30 AM
Donna would definitely be correct, since I dubbed here whistling in I Whistle a Happy Tune.

That's the only reason I was able to figure out even the one of 'em.  I don't know from Star Trek.
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 09:33:41 AM
The show last night (if you don't know whereof I speak read the notes or you run the risk of being read the riot act - today is the official Read the Riot Act Day) was not well-thought out by its creators.  As we all pointed out, they didn't know what story they were trying to tell.  It is amazing how many of the shows I've seen in these workshops have that problem.  What story are you trying to tell?  Why should I care about these characters?

Stephen Schwartz told an interesting story about the Wicked tryout in San Francisco.  At the end of the run, he and book writer Winnie Holtzman were sitting in the back of the theater.  After two years of workshops, and a month of seeing the show in a full production, Stephen turned to Winnie and said, "I'm still not sure of the story we're trying to tell in terms of Elphaba.  I think we need to examine it again."  And they spent that whole summer doing so.  There is nothing harder than writing a musical - I take that back - it's easy to write a musical - it's hard to write a GOOD musical.
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Post by: TCB on February 10, 2004, 09:47:35 AM
I have just finished reading the early morning posts.  If I didn't know better, I would swear that BK, Jed, and derBrucer had been out on a bender last night.
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Post by: TCB on February 10, 2004, 09:51:12 AM
And here is your Allison Hayes picture of the week.

As Tonda in 'The Disembodied', she gets the drop on Paul Burke.  :o

I used to dream about getting the drop on Paul Burke!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 09:52:16 AM
Yes, we were on a posting bender.

One of the other reasons I wanted to make sure everyone has read today's notes (not to beat a dead horse) is because of the special message contained therein.  

I think I shall go beat a dead horse now.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Ben on February 10, 2004, 10:00:53 AM
BK, the show on Broadway this season was Six Dance Lessons in Six Weeks, starring Mark Hammil and Polly Bergen. It started in LA w/David Hyde Pierce and Uta Hagen. She became ill and the move to NY was postponed. It was then done in Florida w/Rue MacLanahan. She came to NY with the transfer but left during rehearsals and was replaced by Polly Bergen. The show got generally bad reviews, though many critics did like Miss Bergen. It closed fairly quickly.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 10, 2004, 10:07:08 AM
I think words like "arc" and "journey" were developed by studio people just so they wouldn't feel intimidated by dramatists.  Sorta like the way various enthic groups periodically change what they want to be called just to unsettle the majority (It's always been baffling to me why the terms African-American, Hispanic-American, Asian-American...which let's face it, are mouthfuls...apply to people who were not born in any of these countries and may have never even seen them.  I do not call myself a Scot-Irish-Dutch American.  Does Panni call herself a Hungarian-American?  Geography is not a racial description).

End of mini-rant.  Back to main rant.  I think a bunch of studio executives and writing gurus...who rarely, if ever, made a living actually writing...invented these terms because they had no actual literary or dramatic skills and found themselves getting lost in notes sessions with people who actually did have literary/dramatic skills...namely writers.

The one that grates on me is "backstory".  Whenever I hear it, I like to say..."Oh, you mean all that stuff that happened to the characters before our story actually begins and all that information we need to know to understand what is about to unfold on the stage.  Yes, in the theatre, we call that 'exposition.'  It's a big word, I know, and a lot harder to remember and say than 'backstory'.  But that's what it's called. "

What's worse is all these executives take their Syd Field course or some other guru and come back with a bunch of guidelines for amateurs that they fiercely embrace as the Word come down from the Mount.

I actually had an executive once tell me, "All our first acts end on page forty-two."  "How odd,"  I replied, "Because my first acts end wherever they naturally need to end in the service of the piece of drama.  Each piece is different.  I've had first acts end on page thirty, or page fifty, occasionally even page sixty.  As I usually like a long set-up and each following act to escalate so that by the time you get to the third act, you're going hell-bent-fer-leather and not stopping for anything...in a 120 page script, I say they usually go...fifty-forty-thirty.  But nothing's hard and fast and each script is different.  Sometimes I write a four-act script or a five-act script like Shakespeare.  But the truth is, I don't write to acts at all...but I can show you where they all are when I'm through...so why page 42?"  

As I further pressed him and he could find no adequate dramaturgical answer (I wouldn't accept: "They just do."),  it came out that this number had been culled from some guru book.  A guideline for amateurs.

The fact is I just don't even think of all those terms I learned as a drama student...exposition, inciting incident, rising and falling action, climax, denouement (terms you rarely hear in a Hollywood notes session).  I learned all this stuff at the time, it's ingrained or forgotten or has been absorbed by omosis, and I just write with an instinctive dramatist's eye anymore. Is it too much?  Is it too little?  Does it accomplish what I need and want it to do?  Does it cover all its bases?  Does it play?  The worst thing about dealing with these people is that they do not understand that everything must be geared toward performance.  Does it play?  When you put it up on it's feet, does it compell and entertain?  
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Post by: William E. Lurie on February 10, 2004, 10:10:33 AM
Regarding standing ovations, if a few people in front of me stand I have to stand too in order to see the stage.  I'm sure in many cases much of the audience would not be standing if they didn't have to in order to see... and to let out the rude people who can't even wait until after the curtain calls to leave the theatre.

This is not as common off-Broadway where shows can get great applause and cheers at the end but people remain seated.

By the way, when I saw SOUR SMELL OF FAILURE, I knew I wasn't the only one who didn't care for it  when it did not get a standing ovation... a rarity for any Broadway musical in the last five or ten years.
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Post by: Donna on February 10, 2004, 10:12:01 AM
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Does she [Susan Powter] still look the same - short "white" hair, etc.?

Her hair is longer and its color was pink and blue--it  resembled a rooster's headdress.

BK - Whenever I get biting angry or nervous (like at an audition), the first place it shows up is in my back. I get terrible spasms. What helps me in the short term is taking deep breaths directing the breath to the pain.
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Post by: William E. Lurie on February 10, 2004, 10:18:56 AM
New first-time-on-CD reissues coming from Decca Broadway:
5/25 - Song of Norway
6/29 - Ankles Aweigh
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 10:29:08 AM
FS Pogue - RE your main rant - This Hugarian-Canadian-American Jewess couldn't agree with you more.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 10:42:41 AM
Correction:

To my trivia question from yesterday--which no one has addressed, by the way.

I said that one of Captain Picard's singing lady friends had been recorded by BK.  That, of course, is less than the truth.  Actually, two of them have starred in musicals whose cast albums were recorded by BK--and one of the ladies had part of her role dubbed by BK himself, because, talented as she may be, she was unable to perform that particular bit, and BK was.

So, anyone have a guess on at least one of them?  Or all three?
Well, I definately know who one of the ladies is, but the other one, for whom BK had to dub...I don't think Carol Channing ever appeared with Patrick Stewart.

 ;D
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 10:43:45 AM
LOL DR TCB - Barbara Parkins would disagree!

MR BK - I would imagine that the words "Kimmel" and "Kritzer" were said more around your Galley Proofing Place yesterday and today than ever before in the history of said Galley Proofing Place!


I don't think DR WFO reads MY posts.   :(
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: TCB on February 10, 2004, 10:46:21 AM
Even though I used this very word at this very site yesterday, I do think the word "brilliant" is overused. When everything from Zsa Zsa's performance in that 1950s sci-fi movie (the name escapes me but I'm sure there are many here at HHW who know to which film I refer) to 1970s television shows is labeled as "brilliant" the word loses it's special quality. It becomes just another adjective. And yes, I have a friend who insists that Zsa Zsa's performance in that movie is brilliant and he's serious about it. The word brilliant now, for me, seems to be on the same level as a standing ovation. Broadway shows routinely get standing ovations, deserving or not. People seem to think that if you don't stand you're being rude. Miss Stritch, in my humble opinion, was deserving of a standing ovation. The recent revival of Gypsy, as much as I enjoyed it, was not. But that's just my humble opinion.

Thank you, Ben, for a brilliant post!

I certainly agree with you when it comes to standing ovations.  I have said this before, and although I hate to be repetitious, I will say it again: Not every public performance deserves a standing ovation.  I have said this before, and although I hate to be repetitious, I will say it again: Not every performance deserves a standing ovation.

Just because the local symphony brings a guest soloist to town, it doesn't mean that the soloist's performance will be inspired, brilliant, unique, or even good.  What motivation is there for an artist to push themselves, if they know they are going to be getting a standing ovation just by showing up?

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Post by: William F. Orr on February 10, 2004, 10:49:43 AM
Jed & JRand:

Okay, that's 2/3 of it.  Donna Murphy played Anij in Star Trek:  Insurrection.  Picard fell heavy for her, but there was a bit of a generational problem when he learned she was 300 years old.

Amanda McBroom was Captain Phillipa Louvois in the episode "The Measure of a Man".  She had to determine whether Data could be taken apart against his will to see how he works.  She and Picard had been an item several years earlier.

Unfortunately Bebe Neuwirth never met Picard.  She played Nurse Lanel in the episode "First Contact".  Commander Ryker needed her help escaping from a hospital where he was being held on a pre-warp planet.  Her answer:  "I've never made love to an alien before."  They evidently struck a deal.

The third singing love of Picard is not a musical theatre person, although she did have, as I said, a hit single of a Rogers and Hart song--with a group not normally associated with that sort of music.  Hint:  the key word is Paris.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: TCB on February 10, 2004, 10:58:16 AM
That is wonderful news about your Frances Farmer research, JMK.  It would be nice to think that Miss Farmer could, at last, be at peace.
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 11:02:12 AM
I don't mind standing ovations so much; sometimes, they help exercise the legs, which will get stiff during a long show.  What I do mind is figuring out when to stand.  If everyone is seated while the chorus and secondary characters take their bows, then stands when the third lead comes out, what the hell are we supposed to do when the first and second leads come out?  Particularly if they were nowhere near as good?  Sit down again?
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Post by: TCB on February 10, 2004, 11:03:37 AM
It goes well beyond Broadway shows.  It seems any performance of any sort is now instantly greeted with a standing ovation.  I've become quite accustomed to being "the jerk who won't stand up."

I know what you mean, Jed.  I refuse to stand up for a lot of shows that I see in Seattle, and I usually get quite a few dirty looks from other patrons.
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 11:08:24 AM
Frances Farmer, Frances Farmer - what about MIMSY Farmer?
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 11:09:40 AM
...but first…

I get it!  From high on your perch SWoodyWhite, our newest God

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]CONGRATULATIONS!![/move][/size]

Sorry I was so dense.

You are never dense, DR Jane.  Don't let anyone suggest that.

As it is, der Brucer and I have been chuckling for the last day and a half, wondering when somebody would notice my trasition.  (Technically, that took place in the wee hours of Monday, as part of Sunday's posts.)  He thought he was being very obvious with his picture postings, go figure.

Now he's threatening to scan and post some pics from my earlier years, which I find very unfair since I have none of him as a sprig of a twig.  (What I'd really love to have scanned in is the pic of him in his Navy uniform.  Ask and show and tell!)

Anyway, virtual karma, DR Jane!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 11:10:15 AM
How intriguing....I really didn't remember if Bebe met Picard or not, but I remember seeing her and thinking it was weird to see Fraser's wife in space!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: MBarnum on February 10, 2004, 11:14:48 AM
I guess we Gods were sleeping on the job! Welcome, welcome, and welcome again SWW! Glad to have you up here...let the party begin!!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 11:14:52 AM
Mimsy Farmer, I'm talkin' about Mimsy Farmer.  WEHT Mimsy Farmer?
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 11:20:58 AM
If Mimsy isn't in the Borogoves, she might be found here (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0002069/).  And also here (http://www.hotrodstohell.com/cast_html/mimsy_farmer.shtml).  And a little clip can be found here (http://www.provisoire.net/lessismore/).  Dance, little Mimsy, dance!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 11:23:58 AM
Pogue: While I felt the backstory of your post was fine, I didn't feel its arc our journey were sufficiently explored.  Also, the third act of your post felt rushed.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 11:28:24 AM
I felt the same way, and it wasn't double spaced either.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 11:40:44 AM
I think Mimsy Farmer is working as John Dean's campaign manager.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 11:53:12 AM
I'm talkin' about Mimsy Farmer.  WEHT Mimsy Farmer?  I need to be jiggy about Mimsy.  Soon I will be off to my luncheon meeting and then I shall return and be in fine fettle?  Have you ever been in fine fettle?  Did you ever test your mettle whilst in fine fettle?   Or put on the kettle whilst in fine fettle?  Can you be in fair fettle?  Can you test both your mettle and your metal whilst in fine fettle?
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:01:35 PM
Congratulations and welcome, SWW!!
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What a careless goddess I was not to notice.
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 10, 2004, 12:02:34 PM
Congratulations SWoody. I"ve not been home much over the last two days and must admit to a "Rush through" read of pages and pages. I think I shall be home all day today - phoning my internet provider as my email "server" does not want to recognise my password anymore; most annoying when I know there will be so many enlightening words to read from people on the other side of the world.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 12:07:48 PM
According IMDB, Miss Mimsy Farmer's birthday is coming up this month. February 28th. We must celebrate at HHW.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 12:15:30 PM
Writing that still makes me laugh:

In 'Lover Come Back' - Rock Hudson wants to disguise himself as Linus, the scientist.  He stops at a small tailor shop.  He is shown several things then says:

ROCK:  These are nice, but don't you have something like those suits that were in style a few years ago?

LITTLE TAILOR:  Of course.  Blanche, bring out from the back the suit we made for Prince Ranier for the wedding. (ROCK gives him the look) Prince or no prince, he doesn't pick it up...he loses the suit.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jennifer on February 10, 2004, 12:17:08 PM
I guess with the karma gone, we don't look at the post numbers like we did before.  

Welcome to our newest god!
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 12:30:22 PM
Thanks to all for the welcome!   :D :) :D :) :D

With Maya E&T at another site (which isn't nearly as popular as this one any more dig dig), we may be a while before admitting any more Gods and Goddesses.  But then we've got four or five in a cluster!
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Post by: TCB on February 10, 2004, 12:30:45 PM
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WELCOME, FELLOW DEITY, SWW.
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Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: George on February 10, 2004, 12:56:25 PM
It goes well beyond Broadway shows.  It seems any performance of any sort is now instantly greeted with a standing ovation.  I've become quite accustomed to being "the jerk who won't stand up."

I remember years ago a Dear Abby question about this very thing.  The person asked something like, "When I see a show, do I have to stand if I feel the performers/performance don't deserve it, even though the rest of the audience does stand?"  And Dear Abby said that you should stand, but don't clap.  That's what I do.  

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]And WELCOME TO THE HEAVENS, S. WOODY!![/move]
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jane on February 10, 2004, 12:57:06 PM
. BTW- Do other DRs find that they get good ideas, solutions to problems, etc.  while doing some activity (showering, walking, sleeping) that has nothing to do with the problem at hand?

Walking solves so many of my problems.  In my youth, it was running.  I use to bolt out of my house and run until I would collapse.  

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Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 01:02:25 PM
Getting back to the original TOD, I just found the following website (http://www.songwritershalloffame.org/exhibit_home_page.asp?exhibitId=73), part of the Songwriter's Hall of Fame, which gives lots of interesting information.  For some reason, I've not learned much about Jule Styne and his works before, aside from knowing some of his songs and some of his shows.  I think he deserves more of my attention.

This is going to be fun!
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Post by: Jane on February 10, 2004, 01:04:18 PM
Der Brucer thank you for the history lesson.  

Panni I have heard & read about such scams, but never had such an experience.  Since the kids didn’t call for the police I think they were just playing a “practical joke.”  Where does that expression come from?  How can a joke be practical, especially a cruel one.  If a question is rhetorical, do you still put question mark at the end of the sentence? Glad you have a policewoman friend to tell this tale to.  

SWW I look forward to your early photos.

Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jay on February 10, 2004, 01:26:34 PM
Belated hosannas to our newest HHW God, Dear Reader S. Woody White!!!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Matt H. on February 10, 2004, 01:28:16 PM
Sorry about not noticing the ascent to Goddom, DR S. Woody, but just as with the late unlamented karma, I usually don't pay attention to that side of the screen unless someone has put up a new picture. I seem to remember that most of us tooted our own horns about the ascent to Valhalla, often posting our god/pics for all to see. I certainly remember doing it for myself.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jay on February 10, 2004, 01:36:21 PM
Which makes DR SWW the most modest of the HHW Gods.  Most admirable.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: George on February 10, 2004, 01:49:45 PM
These are some of my favorite Jule Styne songs (not as many as my Sondheim list yesterday, but I love these, too):

Everything from GYPSY
Better Than a Dream
Call Me Savage/Witches' Brew
Don't Rain on My Parade
I Don't Want to Walk Without You, Baby
I Still Get Jealous
If You Hadn't But You Did (a.k.a. "If")
I'm Goin' Back
I'm in Pursuit of Happiness/You'll Never Get Away From Me
Just In Time
Mamie Is Mimi
Men (from Lorelei...very reminiscent of "If")
You Gotta Get/Have a Gimmick
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jane on February 10, 2004, 02:05:24 PM

Three of my favorite Jule Styne songs, all of which have been mentioned, are:
"Long Before I Knew You"
"Make Someone Happy"
“Just in Time”

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Post by: Noel on February 10, 2004, 02:27:58 PM
There are Styne songs that run through my mind almost every day
The one that goes Sunshine Sunshine Ooh la-la
Private Schultz from Rockaway
How Will He Know
Pennyless Bums
Drop That Name
Distant Melody

but my favorites are

Ride on a Rainbow (yes, I know, it's really by Kern)
If You Hadn't But You Did
I Want To Be Seen With You
Wendy
Overture to Subways Are For Sleeping
The Usher from the Mezzanine
I've Heard That Song Before
Bye Bye Baby
Make Someone Happy
I Still Get Jealous
and, just because it mentions my nearest cross street
Every Street's a Boulevard In Old New York

I've referred to Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend as the greatest comedy song ever written, but nobody who's only familiar with its butchery in Moulin Rouge would have any idea why.
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 02:28:29 PM
Glad you have a policewoman friend to tell this tale to.  

Here's something a little unsettling in terms of the world we live in...  I wasn't going to bother her with the tale unless it was necessary, but she happened to call today, so I told her the story. The only important thing I had to ask her was if there was any name/address information these kids could get from just my plate number - which is all the info they had. She said no -- unless they knew "a dirty cop" who would supply them with it. Blechh!
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 02:37:46 PM
Which makes DR SWW the most modest of the HHW Gods.  Most admirable.
Well, except that I was being deliberately modest, which is a way of showing off in itself.   ;D

Considering how long BK and I have been associated, it is a surprise that it's taken me as long as this to reach Godhood.  We were both contributers to Sondheim.com, and I made lots of purchases from a once-respectable CD site.  And there was the time we met, but didn't realize we were meeting, in NYC.  And I've been a regular here at HHW since just about the beginning.

Good things come to those who wait!   8)
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Robin on February 10, 2004, 02:39:16 PM
The third singing love of Picard is not a musical theatre person, although she did have, as I said, a hit single of a Rogers and Hart song--with a group not normally associated with that sort of music.  Hint:  the key word is Paris.

I believe you're referring to Michelle Phillips, who appeared in "We'll Always Have Paris", a first-season episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation.  She was one of The Mamas and the Papas, I believe, but I don't know what song you are referring to, since I know next-to-nothing about sixties pop music.  

I do know, however, that my favorite Jule Styne song is "Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend".
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 10, 2004, 02:40:11 PM
I hadn't posted any Jule Styne songs, because I didn't think I was that familiar with him, but Noel reminded me I'm more familiar with him than I thought I was, when he posted Every Street's A Boulevard in Old New York.

Two of my favourite Styne songs comes from HAZEL FLAGG...A Little More Heart and Everybody Wants to Take A Bow.  And whatever happened to Benay Venuta anyway?
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 02:40:20 PM
Here's a lovely bit from Jule Styne. He's talking about his father:

One day he asked me. "How come melody writers are called composers, and a lyric writer is never called a poet?"
"Well..." I said.
He said, "I'll tell you what a composer is -- Bach, Beethoven and Mozart. Better you should be a songwriter."
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jane on February 10, 2004, 02:41:43 PM

Panni & SWW write so eloquently and we have been so cheerful today I hesitate, yet I did say I would comment on last nights moving posts.  

Experience can help a person cope with the flood that washes over them, the understanding, as you said SWW, there will be a morning.  And that knowledge is the beginning of things improving.  When I was young my mother taught me well how to deal with depression, take pills and lock yourself in the bathroom forcing your children to break in & save your life.  I bet Bruce hadn’t a clue, way back when, I had my method of demise all figured out.  If I think about the times I came close, I can remember, but can’t feel any of the pain I was experiencing at the moment.  
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Post by: Robin on February 10, 2004, 02:42:02 PM
FS Pogue - RE your main rant - This Hugarian-Canadian-American Jewess couldn't agree with you more.

I once heard a radical Lesbian feminist refer to herself as a "Gyno-American".  
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 02:56:37 PM
When I was young my mother taught me well how to deal with depression, take pills and lock yourself in the bathroom forcing your children to break in & save your life.  I bet Bruce hadn’t a clue, way back when, I had my method of demise all figured out.  If I think about the times I came close, I can remember, but can’t feel any of the pain I was experiencing at the moment.  

...Which once again proves how little we know of the real lives of people around us. When I look at your old photo, Jane, so pretty, open and cheerful, a young woman without a care in the world --- it's hard to believe the turmoil you must have been going through.
Thank you for writing about it. And I'm so pleased for you that in the life you're living now, you seem to have become the person we see in the photo.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 03:02:29 PM
...What you wrote, Jane, also reminds me how very difficult it is to be a child. We have this fairy tale notion of the lives of children. Hah! Whether it's you trying to save your mother, or Benjamin/Bruce being hit with hangers, or any one of the hundreds of stories just the people on this little site could tell, it is so HARD being helpless at the hands of adults who do not always "know better." Who do not always love well or love enough. The fact that most of us make it through those years and become functioning members of the human race is in itself a minor (sometimes major) miracle.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 03:02:45 PM
Lovely Styne choices.  I must say I consider the Overture to Subways are for Sleeping my second favorite overture of all time, right up there with Gypsy.

Back from my luncheon meeting.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: PennyO on February 10, 2004, 03:03:31 PM
I remember those bad old days, Jane. Yup, knew you when... Marriage, motherhood, mavenhood suit you so well. How many of us would trade one minute of what we have now for a whole year of youth? Not I.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: PennyO on February 10, 2004, 03:06:50 PM
Oh, and what a lovely day I've had here at the Bristol Riverside Theater. I just finished a swell photo shoot - got some terrific shots. Also got an offer to come work here next year as Development Director... oy. That's like grant writing and fundraising and outreach stuff. I'm good at it, but SO GRUELING. However, it would mean that i could try out my new stuff here, in this very artistically satisfying atmosphere. Gonna think about it.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 03:08:21 PM
One more thing and I'll shut up. All of the above is why I love love love writing about kids. I've written quite a number of screenplays with kids as protagonists and I relish "becoming" a child as I write. I relish being able to live inside their skins and being able to save them or guide them or at least enlighten the audience about what they're going through. It's a way of doing it again -- and this time doing it right - having the power to do it right. Having the power that is not ours when we really are children.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 03:09:46 PM
Congratulations, PennyO!
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Post by: JMK on February 10, 2004, 03:12:41 PM
It used to drive me CRAZY (not a long drive, more like a jaunt) when I would be researching FF in various tomes and the only film Farmer there was Mimsy.  Mimsy, Mimsy, Mimsy.  Let's start a rumor that SHE's the one with the lobotomy!   :o
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: TCB on February 10, 2004, 03:26:47 PM
You know, I truly love all of the posts from people here at HHW (that's Haines His Way in internet lingo), but I must say that I honestly look forward to the posts from Panni and from Jane.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 03:49:15 PM
As Jack Benny would say:

WELL!!!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 03:51:34 PM
I just wasted 90 minutes and $15 trying to register a domain name and start up a website.

Avoid SPROCKETHOST at all costs!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Tomovoz on February 10, 2004, 03:56:04 PM


Avoid SPROCKETHOST at all costs!
At my age I've tried a few things but I never been quite game enough to go there!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 03:59:57 PM
Smart man
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 04:26:52 PM
Special notice to DR Jose: Tomorrow Alton Brown is making FUDGE! (http://www.foodtv.com/food/show_ea/episode/0,1976,FOOD_9956_30302,00.html)
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jane on February 10, 2004, 04:27:53 PM
Panni I envy the difference you can make with your writing.  On a small scale I know I have made a difference for the better, but you can do it on such a grand scale.

Penny weren’t those the days!  :P  You made a difference in my life back then because you were one of the first people I could share some of the “stuff” with.  Nice job offer.  Would the job begin in January?  It’s seems such a long way off.

Thank you TCB, that means a lot to me. :)
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jed on February 10, 2004, 04:43:19 PM
I remember years ago a Dear Abby question about this very thing.  The person asked something like, "When I see a show, do I have to stand if I feel the performers/performance don't deserve it, even though the rest of the audience does stand?"  And Dear Abby said that you should stand, but don't clap.  That's what I do.

Interesting, hadn't heard this one before.  I think I'll just continue to keep to my seat.  I can handle the odd glances (and if I've found something really bad, I kinda enjoy the glances :)).  Also, a few friends of mine have learned that I won't join a standing ovation for a less-than-impressive performance, so it makes them feel more comfortable sitting through one if they so choose, knowing they won't be the only one.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Tomovoz on February 10, 2004, 04:54:48 PM
The last performer I remember standing for was Barbara Cook.  It always seems strange to see those standing ovations at Oscar nights etc. I guess it's supposed to be in recognition for a lifetime's work but is more often seems that people stand because the person on stage is still alive. (I don't mean those people who are the recipients of a well deserved lifetime achievement award just some presenters!). Colin and I stayed seated in the front row of a performance of "Barnum" here in OZ. The lead was "Milking" his audience for every possible hand clap etc.  Said "star" (who is to star in the Oz production of "The Producers") made very sure his "support" cast were always in the background with audio levels too.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Tomovoz on February 10, 2004, 04:56:22 PM
Have I lost a few hours today? It seems way too early for Washingtonian hour.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 04:59:11 PM
You know, I truly love all of the posts from people here at HHW (that's Haines His Way in internet lingo), but I must say that I honestly look forward to the posts from Panni and from Jane.

Why thank you, cousin TCB!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jane on February 10, 2004, 05:05:02 PM
...Which once again proves how little we know of the real lives of people around us. When I look at your old photo, Jane, so pretty, open and cheerful, a young woman without a care in the world --- it's hard to believe the turmoil you must have been going through.
Thank you for writing about it. And I'm so pleased for you that in the life you're living now, you seem to have become the person we see in the photo.

At the moment the photo was taken I was all of that.  Those days at the beach with Keith were the happiest days of my teen years.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jed on February 10, 2004, 05:07:14 PM
The lead was "Milking" his audience for every possible hand clap etc.  

Ahh yes, we have one of those in our summer stock company.  Just about anyone who has acted with him in his 4 seasons with us knows exactly what is meant by "doing the Baldwin" at curtain call.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 10, 2004, 05:38:45 PM
Good evening!

-I'm back home in Richmond.  Good flights.  Good class.  Good dinner.  And a Slurpee too!!  And now "American Idol"... and reading today's posts on HHW, of course...

-And once I read today's posts... I'll be back...
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Post by: Danise on February 10, 2004, 05:48:59 PM
Evening all!  Sorry I disappeared last night.  Had a phone call and was tired after.

Jane, I know how you feel about getting mail addressed to your Father.  My dad passed back in 1979.  Every year, with out fail, no matter how many times I have tried to tell them, he gets a calendar from a local car dealership that my folks did business with.  Sometimes it makes me smile, others times it hurts.  

My sick sense of humor begs the question that if your Father wasn’t excused, just WHAT exactly were they going to do to him?  

I’m sorry to hear about Jason Raize. Sigh.   Suicide.  Been there.  Almost did that.  Know EXACTLY how you felt Panni & S. Woody White.  Enough said.

Ok, Jose.  Remember, NO MORE PANCAKES FOR YOU, MY LAD!!!

Congrats, SwishySarah!  And the winner for best Morgan LeFaye goes to________?  Guess who??

Thanks, TCB.  I’m going to try to keep it going!

Panni–How awful!  I’ve never had anything like that happen to me before and I hope I never do! Ugh!  What horrible, nasty people.

Jennifer: I let the dogs take me for a walk every night when I get home so I guess you could say that I do exercise

Bruce–Put me in the pre order line as well!  Don’t worry about having a bad day and taking it out on others.  I am going to tell you what my Dad used to say and you can bleep me if you want.  Just remember, it’s much better to be pissed off than pissed on!

Congrats to the newest GOD!  You all are so far above me but then I resemble that remark because at five foot,  almost every one is!

I’d better post this before I lose it and THAT would greatly tick me off.
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Post by: SwishySarah on February 10, 2004, 05:51:12 PM
A super, humongous, gigantic, aprreciative, and happy thank you to everyone who posted their congratulations yesterday! It was definitely a great night for me. I was actually a little worried about school today, because there's always the person who is upset, and takes it out on you. I got all of my excited energy out, and went to school relaxed. But everyone was OK with it! People I didn't even know were running up to me and congratulating me, and the people I was worried about the most were supportive and happy. It just reminds me how lucky I am so have such great friends!

For the singers on the board, I had an hour and a half long support lesson today. Now, having been mimicking the radio and TV my whole life, and being in mediocre choirs, support was never even introduced to me until this summer at the Shenandoah University camp. From my very first voice lesson EVER in November, I've been working on it. I have a really hard time with it, and still hadn't ever "reached support". Well today, after TRYING and TRYING to teach us, my choir teacher was about ready to give up. Then, another student began singing while bend over touching her toes. When she stood back up, she realized that she had started supporting without knowing it, and was now "there". It was incredibly weird and amazing at the same time...to have finally arrived at what I needed to be doing during months of struggle felt fabulous :).

We're having our first cast read-through on Thursday, due to previously scheduled conflicts. I strongly dislike snow. Snow days are fun, but when you're stuck at home and you COULD be rehearsing, it REALLY makes me mad.

And Panni, those kids (were they kids? I read the late posts a while ago and can't remember...) were cruel and obnoxious. If they were teenagers, I'm sorry to say I don't have trouble believing it. Some kids these days have absolutely no respect for anyone, whether they be parents, teachers, or strangers. And if it was a practical joke, then I don't know what to think. It's disgusting. I'm sorry for the emotional distress they caused you.

SWW, Congrats on your ascention!!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 06:12:35 PM
DR JED did you read the Langley Schools Project site?
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: PennyO on February 10, 2004, 06:14:29 PM

Penny weren’t those the days!  :P  You made a difference in my life back then because you were one of the first people I could share some of the “stuff” with.  Nice job offer.  Would the job begin in January?  It’s seems such a long way off.

Not such a long way off - I have performances in August of yet-more Jewish Thighs material (beginning to feel like You Know Who in his Mark Twain show...) - this time it's the three Gilbert and Sullivan chapters, for a show I'm calling "Adventures on the High C's" about my first encounter with HMS Pinafore. Just got the confirmation today from the Buxton, England, International Gilbert and Sullivan Festival. Probably I could start working on the grant writing from your house in June, or from LA in September. Ah, the wonderfulness of Internet and Cellfone!!!

Give Echo a squeeze for me! Oh, and one to Keith, too. And the kitty.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jed on February 10, 2004, 06:16:04 PM
Ahh yes, forgot to mention that, JRand.  I did read the site.  Interesting stuff.  I'd heard some about it in a music education class a couple years back, but have never heard any of the recordings.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jrand73 on February 10, 2004, 06:16:40 PM
Pretty kewl stuff
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jay on February 10, 2004, 06:36:55 PM
Question:  Can a homosexual also be a metrosexual?  This is an urgent question.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 06:42:01 PM
Metro, hetro, what care I?  I'm about to watch The Triplets of Belleville i
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 06:42:37 PM
What is that little "i" doing there?  So sad to be all alone in the world, isn't it?

Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jay on February 10, 2004, 06:46:27 PM
Metro, hetro, what care I?  I'm about to watch The Triplets of Belleville.

I think it's safe to say that Dear Reader William E. Lurie, Dear Reader Robin Anderson and Dear Reader Me (the HHW Triplets boosters) are all looking forward to your comments on this animated motion picture entertainment.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 10, 2004, 06:50:29 PM
Question:  Can a homosexual also be a metrosexual?  This is an urgent question.

What - is a near and dear female acquaintance dating Ryan Seacrest?

der Brucer ("homosexuals" can generally be any damn thing they put their mind to - schucks, people still think Cary Grant was straight!)
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Tomovoz on February 10, 2004, 06:50:37 PM
I watched my DVD of "Triplets" last night. What wonderful animation work and a delightfully quirky story. Thanks to everyone at HHW who recommended it. The "extras" are interesting too.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 10, 2004, 07:15:47 PM
Good Evening!  Again!

Very nice posts today!  -Well, there are always nice posts here on HHW - the most popular place on the internet.

DR SWW - Thanks for the Alton Brown Alert!  I think the only time I ever made fudge - or at least attempted to make fudge - was when I was just getting into cooking when I was in my early teens - maybe even my tens and elevens.  My mom had a candy cookbook, and all those descriptions of fondant, penuche, soft ball stage, hard crack stage, divinity, etc. always intrigued me.  I do remember using the "water" test for the "soft ball" to the "hard crack" stages - and slightly burning my finger tips when trying to pick up the glob of "molten" sugar syrup out of the glass of ice water.  But fudge has always intrigued me... and maybe after tomorrow night's show... However...

DR Danise - I'm planning on getting up early tomorrow - well, early for me - and heading to the supermarket where I will fill my shopping cart with many "approved" foods.  As for the "unapproved" foods, well, I'm finishing off some of them now. ;)  -The Cashew Crunch from Dinstuhl's in Memphis was particularly good - cashew brittle coated with coconut!

-So, I may just make the fudge, but not eat it - which I actually think I can do.  Heck, I do it all the time when I make cookies - which I will definitely be doing this week!  -I have to use up the eight bags of chocolate chips (various types from milk to dark to double chocolate), the three pounds of bittersweet chocolate, and the three bags of toffee chips that I have in my cupboard.  -Oh, and I do have flour, sugar, cake flour, cocoa (Dutched and non-Dutched), confectioner's sugar, vanilla extract, chocolate extract(!), oatmeal, peanut butter, peanuts, walnuts, pecans, dried cherries and other dry goods to mix together into various goodies to be distributed accordingly.  -Sorry, DR Tomovoz - I don't think US Customs - nor Australian Customs - would let me send cookies Down Under.  But I do plan on making some trips to the post office this week, so... Take a number!  Next!?!?

As for tonight's "American Idol" - Not bad, not great.  No real stinker tonight.  However, I thought Marque Lynch did not sound or perform well at all - the "feel" for "The Wind Beneath My Wings" was just off - as was his back-phrasing - I thought he was just plain off the beat.  And that performance of "Crazy" was, as a coach I work with would say, "vocal masturbation".  Too much is too much.

Oh, the TOD-
As DR Tomovoz mentioned, Judy Kuhn's Jule Styne album - produced by You-Know-Who - contains many of my favorites.  Particular songs off the top of my head:
"Long Before I Knew You" - I like Laurie Beechman's rendition/arrangment.
"I Fall In Love Too Easily" - Chet Baker's version is the one that I hear in my head from time to time - as well as coming from my CD player.
"Guess I'll Hang My Tears Out To Dry" - I first came across this song in an issue of "Sheet Music Magazine" - kind of love at first sight - and play.
"Who Are You Now?" - What a great melody!
-Oh, and I do like Judy Kuhn's renditions of all of the above too!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jane on February 10, 2004, 07:17:30 PM
Jane,
My sick sense of humor begs the question that if your Father wasn’t excused, just WHAT exactly were they going to do to him?  

 I am going to tell you what my Dad used to say and you can bleep me if you want.  Just remember, it’s much better to be pissed off than pissed on!


LOL I think your father gifted you his sense of humor. :)
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Andrea on February 10, 2004, 07:43:23 PM
Question:  Can a homosexual also be a metrosexual?  This is an urgent question.

No... cause a homosexual is who a metrosexual wants to look, act, dress and talk like.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jennifer on February 10, 2004, 08:11:04 PM
Don't read this if you live on the West Coast and haven't seen tonight's American Idol yet.

I enjoyed American Idol, although none of the people I liked were in this group of 8.

I think Fantasia impressed me the most.  I think based on the judges remarks she will definitely be one of the two making it through to the next round.

It's really tough with only 2 out of 8 going on. I find that crazy. Even Clay Aiken (probably the most popular Idol ever wasn't one of the top 2 in his section).

Sometimes it's difficult to guess who the public will vote through. I can recall from past years when totally TERRIBLE performers got through. But I would definitely say Fantasia and maybe the 16 yr old or the black woman with the bushy hair (jennifer).
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 10, 2004, 08:21:34 PM
Quote from: Jay on Today at 06:36:55pm
Question:  Can a homosexual also be a metrosexual?  This is an urgent question.
 
 
Quote from: Andrea on Today at 07:43:23pm
No... cause a homosexual is who a metrosexual wants to look, act, dress and talk like.


Which, of course, means that a metrosexual wants to look, act, dress, and talk like what he thinks a homosexual looks, acts, dresses, and talks like.  Which, of course, is not like a lot of us LADT at all.  (I think of myself as a bear.  You might have to look that up, but look at der Brucer's pic, which pretty much sums it up.  Yup, he's a bear, too.)

Personally, I like the explanation for the whole metrosexual thing that was given on South Park: It's all a cover for the invasion of the "Crab People!  Crab People!"

Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Matt H. on February 10, 2004, 08:25:21 PM
Well, I thought the women were more impressive than the men tonight on AMERICAN IDOL, and the three I voted for all obviously needed the votes since I got through on them the first time. #1, #4, #6 (she's the one Jennifer was talking about). Fantasia was undoubtedly the best, but her line was busy when I called to vote for her, so I knew she didn't need any votes from me. The other three did.

Yes, Clay was a wild card entry, but wasn't he in the same group as Ruben and Kimberly last year?

It will be interesting to see who besides Fantasia will go through.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 10, 2004, 08:50:29 PM
Oh, I guess AI is tape-delayed for the West Coast - so how long do the phone lines really stay open then?

-And since is the first time I've watched the prelims - For the Wild Card round, can/do/have they brought back people from the screening rounds?  -Ones who didn't make it to the 117 or whatever number is was?  -If so, maybe the producers are saving some of those "favorites" for that round.

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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 10, 2004, 09:23:09 PM
Well.. I'm off to bed... And early for me too!  -Guess the travels have taken their toll. ;-)

-OH, I see Evil Twin is on right now... Hi, Janet!  My thoughts - as well as those of the other Hainsies and Kimlets - are with you and your family.

Goodnight.
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Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 09:26:44 PM
Just finished The Triplets of Belleville (Belleville Rendezvous in the UK) and will have much to say in tomorrow's notes.
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Post by: Panni on February 10, 2004, 10:21:41 PM
No late night posting for me tonight. Have a few things to do, then will try to get to sleep before midnight so that I can be ever so fresh for tomorrow's day of writing. Good night, all.
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Post by: George on February 10, 2004, 10:21:55 PM
I have a question...an early Ask BK & DR Question Day because tomorrow morning I'm driving a friend to the airport and won't come back until after I've done some window shopping at South Center in Renton in Seattle.

Anyway, my question:  what's the best way to store champagne?  My parents' 40th wedding anniversary will be in June and tonight I bought a bottle of Dom Perignon Vintage 1995 (from Costco...I figure I couldn't get it any cheaper anywhere) but I have it now.  Should it be refrigerated, just kept cool or at room temperature?  What about when it's served (in June)?  Any information or website links will be most appreciated.  
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Post by: Charles Pogue on February 10, 2004, 10:23:37 PM
Fantasia and the first girl should be the callbacks.  Any bets that Scooter Girl will be a wild card return?
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Kerry on February 10, 2004, 10:46:30 PM
Jose, I know where you could send fudge and cookies-- especially fudge!!!!!!!    The desert climate is particularly good for fudge and cookies!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 10:49:22 PM
Fantasia and the first girl should be the callbacks.  Any bets that Scooter Girl will be a wild card return?

This post wins the Eugene Ionesco award for surrealism in posts.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Laura II on February 10, 2004, 11:04:50 PM
Hey all, I love all of the Gypsy songs, "I'm the Greatest Star," and other Jule Styne songs.

I am SO tired, so please forgive me for not posting more. Take care, everybody!
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: Jed on February 10, 2004, 11:15:55 PM
George - I had no idea that Renton was now in Seattle.  How informative these posts are! :D

Charles Pogue - I have no doubt that Scooter Girl shall return.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: bk on February 10, 2004, 11:22:45 PM
Scooter Pie I know.  Scooter girl I don't know.  Scooter Teague I know.  Scooter girl I don't know.
Title: Re:THE RIOT ACT
Post by: TCB on February 10, 2004, 11:35:55 PM
George - I had no idea that Renton was now in Seattle.  How informative these posts are! :D

Charles Pogue - I have no doubt that Scooter Girl shall return.

Jed, be nice.  George knows best.  George works in a liberry.