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Title: PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 12:01:55 AM
Well, you've read the notes, the notes are now a part of you and you are a part of them.  These are metaphysical things I speak of, dear readers.  Now it is time to post and as President I say to it.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 16, 2004, 12:16:52 AM
The best thing that would happen if I were President would be that George Bush wouldn't be president anymore.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 12:17:19 AM
By the way (BTW, in Internet lingo) - there are slightly more detailed thoughts on Death in Venice and Pickup on South Street over at The DVD Place - http://dvds.allaccessworld.com for those who are interested in more detailed thoughts.  I, myself, am more interested in detailed thoughts.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: S. Woody White on February 16, 2004, 12:46:04 AM
I wouldn't want to be President.  I'd leave that to der Brucer.  I'd much rather be the First Significant Other.  Or at least the First Out-Of-the-Closet Significant Other.

 8)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: William F. Orr on February 16, 2004, 06:24:34 AM
If I were President, ev'ry day would be the first day of spring, every heart would have a new song to sing, and we'd sing of the joy every morning would bring...

Then again, if I were King--which leads us to your François Villon picture for today:
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: William F. Orr on February 16, 2004, 06:33:01 AM
And while we're at it, here is Sharon McNight (no K) impersonating Sophie Tucker.

Now, if I were the last of the red hot mamas...
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: PennyO on February 16, 2004, 06:55:33 AM
Well, I'm NOT the Prez, but I do sing of the joy ev'ry morning can bring... Jeez, my voice is holding up wonderfully well, and it's sunny AGAIN! and last night i hired an onstage dresser, and yesterday I dyed my roots, and here we are in Production Week!!! Nothin' I love more than this job!!!! Beats working for a living.

Just by the way, JRand53: did the one-woman showgirl of yer dreams come in and audition yesterday? If not, how soon do you need someone, and I'll be in NYC for a week next Monday, and back in LA on the evening of March 2, and I do love a solo show... (shameless self-promotion, and no apology).

I did decide to cut one fabulous song from my show here in Bristol: Embraceable You had to go, though I love it so much, because it just stops everything cold and then I have to crank the scene back up again after. Oh, the agony! But, onward.

Have a wonderful day, Friends!
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jrand73 on February 16, 2004, 06:57:36 AM
If I were President - first I would say that laws had to be voted upon NOT adjudicated - second I would impose TERM LIMITS on senators and representatives...NO MORE CAREER POLITICIANS!  Two terms are enough for a President...two terms are enough for those people!
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jrand73 on February 16, 2004, 06:58:44 AM
Ah lovely PennyO - this is a one woman show called LOVING LUCY about Ms Lucille Ball with unfortunately NO SINGING.

There were a couple of good candidates and I chose one....more about her later, as rehearsal progresses.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: PennyO on February 16, 2004, 07:15:01 AM
Ah lovely PennyO - this is a one woman show called LOVING LUCY about Ms Lucille Ball with unfortunately NO SINGING.

There were a couple of good candidates and I chose one....more about her later, as rehearsal progresses.

I eagerly await tales of your work! And another by-the-way: I have played many non-singing roles successfully, from John Guare to Neil Simon to Shakespeare and Moliere. Also get a kick (and the occasional paycheck) from stand-up comedy. Though I can play an empty-headed opera diva, a brainless soprano egomaniac, a whistle-in-her-throat oddity -- that's not all I am!

I actually have three different "performer" resumes: one lists operettas, musicals, a few 'lighter" operas; one has musicals, some G&S, and lighter comedies (including some Chekov, but not enough to scare people); one has mostly drama, Shakespeare, classics, a few "serious" musicals (and - for chrisssakes- no high notes or dancing!). I whip out one of the three, depending upon what I'm auditioning for.

I have found that having all my credits on ONE res just confuses people.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Matt H. on February 16, 2004, 07:29:40 AM
I like the idea of term limits for senators and representatives. I agree completely. 8 years is long enough for anyone to serve.

I think I'd do something to simplify federal income tax. Make it a blanket 7% for everyone and do away with all these loopholes and legaleze that makes filling out a federal tax form so horribly complicated.

DR S. Woody. ALIAS was exciting last night, and the revelation in the preview wasn't the least little bit of a surprise for me. I've suspected it since the end of the first season. Marshall is my favorite supporting character, but it was over-the-top last night, and it got irritating infringing on the suspense that way. I have always wanted Sydney and Weiss to get together, and I really thought the show was moving that way earlier in the season. I guess it could still happen, but glad to see he got some major screen time. Now, if they could find some way to bring back Bradley Cooper permanently, I'd be satisfied.

And, BK, I see that the third season of ALIAS on DVD will be released on September 7th.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on February 16, 2004, 08:01:21 AM
Matt H,

I gather I shouldn't give away too many details from Alias episodes, for the sake of those catching up. But I'm really enjoying Melissa George as Lauren - especially good was the scene in which she was casually chatting on the phone with Vaughn. Did you catch Melissa George on a Monk episode - she was very funny, and I think she could give Nicole Kidman a run for her money. DRTomovOz - is the Australian MG a big name there?

Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Matt H. on February 16, 2004, 08:05:07 AM
Ah, DR Dan, we have to part company here. While I think the character of Lauren is VERY effective in many different ways this year, I really loathe Melissa George as an actress. SInce I do watch MONK, I must have seen her, but I have no memory of it.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on February 16, 2004, 08:20:52 AM
DR Matt -

No prob. Just add it to our list, which so far includes I Had a Ball. (In Monk, she played the all-about-Eve actress who replaced Sharona's sister.)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Panni on February 16, 2004, 08:24:27 AM
Good morning. I laughed out loud at the description of pitching DEATH IN VENICE in the Notes. Sadly true. As I said, yesterday, I love and adore that movie. It is just my kind of film -- nothing much happens plot-wise to beautiful music with great actors. Dirk Bogarde was and is one of my favorites. I'll watch him in practically anything. And, of course, the "nothing much happens" is nonsense. An enormous amount happens, but it happens inside people.

I must shower now and work. Got a brilliant idea while walking early this morning, put it in the script as soon as I got back in. Now I go through the whole thing one more time, and tomorrow she's out the door. (Until the producers throw it back at me for a few "little fixes" before it goes to the network.)

BTW - I agree with FS Pogue's post about being the Prez. However, I couldn't be the prez 'cause I'm a Canadian citizen. And even if I became an American citizen, I was born in Hungary, so no can do. I could be Prime Minister, I guess. I don't think Canada has any silly laws about having to be born there to become leader (I may be wrong). But I don't want to go live in Ottawa, so that's the end of that.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Panni on February 16, 2004, 08:33:41 AM
Before I go - I don't know how many DRs watch SEX AND THE CITY. But I do think this final season is wonderful. Last night's penultimate episode was particularly good. Except I'm suing because they're stealing my life. Well, not exactly...Mikhail Baryshnikov isn't whisking me off to live with him in Paris... But otherwise...
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JMK on February 16, 2004, 08:46:17 AM
This has probably been mentioned here before, as I am seriously behind the times in terms of popular culture and new releases, but The Five Pennies is coming out on CD next month.

I was saddened to read this morning of Kitty Bradley's passing.  Did any of you LA folk know her?  She was a screenwriter and second wife of Gen. Omar Bradley, who was my father's immediate superior in WWII.  The Bradleys came to our house several times when I was growing up, and I have some very cool personal letters from Gen. Bradley to my Dad.  (My Dad was in the battalion that Patton had to apologize to after slapping the shell-shocked soldier--try saying that three times fast--and he actually took pictures of it!).  I also have what I think is a very rare pic that my Dad took of Churchill and Eisenhower coming out of a tent after making some final plans for D-Day.  Maybe I should try that one out on eBay!  :)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Panni on February 16, 2004, 08:50:55 AM
Just got an e-mail from a friend who teaches at a private high school in New Mexico. He was looking among his friends who have a knowledge of movies for a film to show his senior class as a companion piece to their reading of SIDDHARTHA. The other teachers are showing THE RAZOR'S EDGE (Bill Murray version) - but he previewed it and didn't like it. Here's part of the letter:
"I am writing to ask if you have a suggestion for a film that a) represents in some clear and powerful way the protagonist's quest to discover him/herself and/or the meaning of life and 2) is a high achievement as a work of art.  I might add as another criterion that it be a suitable companion piece to SIDDHARTHA:  the students will be reading Hesse over the same days as they are also watching whatever movie I choose (and will also be writing in a journal some reflections on their own journey)."

My mind is too full of what I'm working on right now, to be of much use with suggestions. So I throw this out to all of you.  I'm sure you'll have some excellent suggestions. (Remember - it's a high school.)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JMK on February 16, 2004, 08:59:41 AM
I did my Honors English thesis on Hesse, DR Panni--there was actually a pretty good film adaptation of Siddhartha that must have come out in the mid-70s or maybe just a little later.  I remember going to it with all my pseudo-intellectual friends at the time, and they didn't get the sound up on the first reel right away.  There were all of these desert shots, and my smart-aleck friend yelled out, "These must not be the barking sands".  Why do I remember stuff like that?

Back in the day I always wanted to make The Glass Bead Game with Richard Burton.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Matt H. on February 16, 2004, 09:06:58 AM
I think Merchant-Ivory's MAURICE represents exactly what you're describing - a young Edwardian era gentleman comes to terms with his homosexuality through a painful, scary, and hurtful but ultimately fulfilling journey/process.

However, to show to high school students - no. The girls in general would probably get it and be thoroughly caught up in it, but the boys in general would be sniggering about the nudity and sex and probably find it ultimately a bore.

Don't mean to make any offensive blanket statements about teenagers as they're as varied a group as any other and have the potential for enlightenment possibly better than older people already set in their ways and in rigid mindsets. On the other hand, having taught them for 30 years, more often than not, the majority kind of fell into lockstep with the descriptions I stated above.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Robin on February 16, 2004, 09:07:41 AM
Well, if I were President (and fat chance of that!), I'd love to do two things.

First off, gay marriage.  It speaks directly to what kind of country we should be; one that accepts people who are different, or one that doesn't.  The USA was one of the last democracies to allow women's suffrage; the fact gay and lesbian folks aren't allowed to marry is shameful...we should be leading the way in the cause of human freedom, not hiding our heads in the sand because some people think GLBT people should remain second-class citizens.

Second off, I'd like to remove the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance, and get the church back where it belongs...in church.  None of this creationist garbage in our schools, using public policies for religious indoctrination.  

Oh, and the Presidential dress code of a suit and tie every day...that'd be history.  Every day in the nation should be Casual Friday.

And I might have Kenny G. shot.  That alone would send my poll numbers through the roof.  
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Matt H. on February 16, 2004, 09:10:45 AM
DR Dan: Thanks for the reminder about the Melissa George/MONK episode. I honestly don't remember that one. Was it the first season of the show?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 09:26:28 AM
Good morning!

Hmm... If I was President... In the larger picture of things, I would insure that I'm actually listening to the people - my people (you know, like Eva Peron, did ;-)) - and not always to the people's representatives - who, at this point and time, seem to be representing special interest groups and not necessarily "the people".  Yes, various opinions would abound, but, at least any major decisions would have to be thought through rather than legislated through.  A pipe dream?  Probably... But one can dream...

And if it would be at all possible, I would get rid of the two-party system - or how many party system it is now.  Even among the big two, the Democrats and the Republicans, there are so many variations, so many leanings left and right within each party.  Bi-partisanship is a good thing.  The greater good is a good thing.  (Oh, is the Martha Stewart trial on "vacation" today too?)  Heck, how else do you account for gay Republicans? ;-)  -Seriously, I do know some gay Republicans, and they've presented and defended their viewpoints and policies on various topics to me.  Some I agree with, some I don't.  But that's what makes politics.  However, there are some points where it just seems like they were towing the party line, almost in a sense of blind faith.  True Faith is for religion, not for political figures.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 09:27:59 AM
....AND that sense of "blind faith" exists on both sides of the aisle.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 09:31:36 AM
Totally agree about the income tax.  Blanket tax, 7 to 10%.  If they can't run a country on that, then they should be tarred and feathered.  Oh, I do know it would force them to not have wasteful programs that go nowhere and eventually die after costing billions of dollars, but they'll just have to learn how to cope.  Do you know that if every citizen of this country simply said, "No, here's 7% of my income and that's all you're getting" the government would have no choice but to change the tax laws, as the people will have spoken in the most eloquent way - through action.  But sadly, ninety percent of the people in this country are sheep and will do exactly as they're told no matter how wrong it is.  Tax businesses, tax corporations - those can stay the same - people who work hard for their money should be allowed to keep the bulk of it.  End of rant.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 09:38:17 AM
In other news...

Of particular interest to DR Danise - I think this morning, was the morning!  Actually, even last night as I went to have a cookie, I had the sense that I was having a cookie just because I had some in the apartment, and because it was there, I might as well eat it.  -Oh, and maybe the fact that I was still a bit P.O.'ed last night had something to do with it... -In any case, that's a good sign - for me, at least.  The "cookie moment" not the being P.O.'ed.

And instead of sitting with my laptop for the first hour or two after waking up this morning, I made myself some breakfast!  -And Egg-Beaters omelet.  I even took a multi-vitamin this morning too!  -One step at a time...

In the land of meteorological events, it looks like we may getting another "significant snow event" starting tomorrow afternoon.  And, wouldn't you know it? I have to go grocery shopping this afternoon!  Heck, it should be fun watching everyone scramble for the "staples" - it always is.  DR MattH - Are you due to be hit by this storm in your neck of the woods?

Well, I believe I hear my roommate finally stirring... Here we go again...
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 09:50:10 AM
- second I would impose TERM LIMITS on senators and representatives...NO MORE CAREER POLITICIANS!  Two terms are enough for a President...two terms are enough for those people!

Be careful what you wish for. The law of unintended consequences is a bastard!

Take CA as a case study.

The good folks voted in term limits in order to limit he control of "career politicians". Now, on their way out the door, the incumbent "career politicians" did some clever redistricting to give themselves "safe" new homes for runs at different offices. Termed out State Assemblymen now run for the State Senate; termed out state Senators now run for State Assembly; when this chain runs out they return to be Mayor or powerful City Councilmen.

Because term limits ultimately guarantees a flow of "new faces", the political operatives work overtime at "maturing" potential candidates. What used to be "non-partisan" races are now fought as partisan battles. Running for Community College Board? What's your stand on Gun Control? Should the US get out of the UN? Did you support the war in Bosnia? What about Abortion? Death Penalty? NAFTA? All elected offices (even the Water Board, for XXXXx sake) are considered "grooming" ground for a new flock of politicos.

Now the "new faces" have begun arriving in droves in Sacramento; unfortunately, in the process, the legislature has lost its "institutional memory" - and nothing gets done. Because new legislators have little time to bone up on the complexities of the various issues presented for vote, they are left to the mercy of the paid special interest lobbyists to bring them up to speed. Because crafting complex bills is, itself, a craft that takes much time to master, the Lobbyists now ghost write most all of the legislation.

Because most of the legislators run in "safe districts" (those controlled by one party or the other), and they are limited to the time they can serve in a particular office, there is little competition for re-election - translation - the incumbent doesn't need to worry as much about the folks back home.

Because most seats are "safe", the real battles are in the primary. Primaries tend to be controlled by the fringe wings of the parties. So, in Republican dominated districts, the "Calling them Nazis isn't nice" far right fringe dominates, and in the Democrat dominated districts, the "Calling them Commie Pinkos isn't nice" far left fringe dominates. The result is the slate gets legislators that have little practice, indeed desire, to look for the common middle ground where compromise is reached - the result - a gridlocked legislature.

So CA has traded-in Career Politicians for musical-chair playing extremist amateurs while the unelected, unaccountable, lobbyists run much of the state.

CA has lots of good examples of "good ideas gone bad".
The mental health experts decried the forced institutionalization of the mentally-ill, many of whom it was proposed, could be better, and more economically, treated in local group homes or from out-patient clinics.

Done said the state! State mental institutions were closed in droves. Laws were passed making forced detention of the mentally-ill well neigh impossible until they fired the first shot or were standing on a 12th story ledge. (Needless to say, the "economy minded" legislature made no provision for funding local group homes or outpatient mental heath clinics.) Currently the largest collection of seriously mentally ill people in the state is in the LA County Jail - which has neither the means nor the expertise to provide proper medical care.

Another "good-idea gone bad" was the infamous Proposition 13. Property taxes had gotten way out of control (partly due to the rampant inflation of the time) so the good folks rolled back the assessed values of all real property and put a lower than inflation cap on increase in property tax rates. (No one of course addressed the issue of replacing the lost revenue.)

Oh, boy, I could (and often do) go on and on.

der Brucer (now living in a country where the commissioners are embarrassed by the positive growth rate of the budget surplus and in a state where the Governor is generally praised for the way she has proposed spending the states budget surplus - and there is no Sales Tax!))
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Panni on February 16, 2004, 09:50:28 AM
First off, gay marriage.  It speaks directly to what kind of country we should be; one that accepts people who are different, or one that doesn't.
My daughter who goes to school in San Francisco was telling me yesterday that there are long  queues around City Hall -- gay couples lining up to get married.
Hurray for San Fran!
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Panni on February 16, 2004, 09:54:24 AM
Thank you for the suggestion, Matt H. I agree that MAURICE is not for the high school crowd.
JMK - I think he wants to show a companion piece, rather than a filmed version of the book.

Please keep the ideas coming, DRs.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 09:55:55 AM
Lost Horizon is about a man's quest and journey, no?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 10:02:06 AM
OH!  Has anyone else gone through yesterday's NY Times Art & Leisure and special Oscar Movies supplement?  I'm still working my way through it, but there are some great articles all around.  A nice piece on the process and search for Harvey Fierstein's successor in Hairspray.  And I LOVE the "acceptance speeches" written by various pundits and comedians.  Margaret Cho's speech for Charlize Theron for winning for Monster is quite funny!

And I was particularly pleased to see some excerpts from the nominated Original Screenplays.  One of my favorite sections from In America is excerpted, and it has one of my favorite lines...

(I won't give the whole set up except to say the husband is an aspiring actor, the wife is pregnant, and that they are having a fight.  And I guess I should post a SPOILER ALERT just in case...  Even though there's no real spoiler ahead, but for those DRs and DLs who still plan to see the movie and want to keep it all a surprise...)

Johnny  Do you want me to lie?

Sarah  So you're not the only actor in the world who can't lie, Johnny? Not even for the sake of your kids?

Johnny  What does that mean?

Sarah  If you can't touch somebody you created, how can you create somebody that'll touch anybody?

Johnny  What are you going on about?

Sarah  Acting, Johnny.  And bringing something to life, it's the same thing.  That's why you can't get a job acting, Johnny.  Because you can't feel anything.


-Very much shades of Sunday in the Park with George for me.  Which is another portrayal of an Artist.  And Life.

OH, and from the article about the new Edna:

"Out of more than 600 performances at the Neil Simon Theater so far, Mr. Fierstein has missed one-half of one - and then only because we was so sick he couldn't return to the stage after intermission."

WOW!!!  Now that's a STAR!

Hmmm... Time to go crawl back into a corner out of view the NY Times police... ;)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on February 16, 2004, 10:05:01 AM
Matt,

We have ExpressVu, which gives us a mix of old and new episodes (as well as shows bounced because of Canadian specials). Fortunately, I'm hooked on only three series - Monk, Alias, Without a Trace. But it appears that this is a recent episode (Googled; see précis below). Also making a guest appearance was Betty Buckley. (I can usually distinguish between the old and new shows because the earlier ones were shot in Toronto.)


Mr. Monk Goes to the Theatre - Jan. 24, 2004.
Monk becomes the world's most terrified - and tidy - actor when he stars in a play while investigating an on-stage murder witnessed by 300 theatergoers. The murder was apparently committed by Sharona's sister.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 10:08:34 AM
Good morning!

Heck, how else do you account for gay Republicans? ;-)  -Seriously, I do know some gay Republicans, and they've presented and defended their viewpoints and policies on various topics to me.  Some I agree with, some I don't.  But that's what makes politics.  However, there are some points where it just seems like they were towing the party line, almost in a sense of blind faith.  True Faith is for religion, not for political figures.

In may experience "True Faith Believers" are not clustered in any one political party.

Surprisingly, I find the "True Faith" Democrats more intolerant of my "Republicanism" that I find the "True Faith Republicans" of my "Homosexuality".

I have been spat upon by Gay Progressives for being a member of Log Cabin; our local County Republican Central Committee  elected me Chairman for three consecutive terms, and they selected SWW to be their representative at the full county Committee.

der Brucer (an "Eggs Benedict" Republican as opposed to Jose's Egg White Omelet persuasion)

Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: TCB on February 16, 2004, 10:10:23 AM
Lost Horizon is about a man's quest and journey, no?



Oh yes, and make it the musical.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 10:14:20 AM
Matt,

Fortunately, I'm hooked on only three series - Monk, Alias, Without a Trace.


Hey, throw in "Cold Case" (airs before Alias on CBS).

der Brucer (who is delighted by the Philadelphia exteriors in Cold Case)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 10:16:34 AM
In may experience "True Faith Believers" are not clustered in any one political party.

Surprisingly, I find the "True Faith" Democrats more intolerant of my "Republicanism" that I find the "True Faith Republicans" of my "Homosexuality".

I have been spat upon by Gay Progressives for being a member of Log Cabin; our local County Republican Central Committee  elected me Chairman for three consecutive terms, and they selected SWW to be their representative at the full county Committee.

der Brucer (an "Eggs Benedict" Republican as opposed to Jose's Egg White Omelet persuasion)



Very well said!

-Oh, and you come with Hollandaise Sauce too!  YUMMY!
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on February 16, 2004, 10:18:14 AM
Hey, throw in "Cold Case" (airs before Alias on CBS).

der Brucer (who is delighted by the Philadelphia exteriors in Cold Case)

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll give it a try. Gord caught it last night, and he liked it. In addition to Alias, there are two series that he tries never to miss:

Oz, and Golden Girls.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 10:33:25 AM
Good afternoon!

Well, I'm off to get some work done... Here comes the dust bunnies!  -I guess I should take a Chlortrimetron before I begin this afternoon's excavation.

Be back later...
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jrand73 on February 16, 2004, 11:01:17 AM
I second MR BK's recommendation of the RONALD COLMAN-FRANK CAPRA "Lost Horizon"....sorry DRTCB not the musical.

Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 16, 2004, 11:03:45 AM
It's not the Republican Party that's evil, but the extreme right faction of the party that has co-opted it.  

Republicans used to be the party of less government.  Now they're the party that wants to be in my living-room, bedroom, looking over my shoulder when I'm on the computer or reading a book.

They used to be the party of Teddy Roosevelt...trust-buster and monoply breaker-upper.  They've become synonomous with big business cronyism.  When will Bush's pals at Enron be indicted?  (You know, it was companies like Enron who were responsible for California's energy crisis and part of its financial troubles...because of price gouging)

They used to be the party of Lincoln...the great Emancipator.  Now they wield racism like a subtle stiletto.

They have tried to blur the lines between church and state.  I was going to say that they've turned lying into a fine art...but actually they haven't they just boldly and arrogantly lie and don't care and stonewall you.  Can anyone legitimately justify why Scalia doesn't recuse himself from the Cheney case?  If this was a Democrat doing this, the Republicans would be screaming "Rule of Law" and holy Hell.

By the by, this gay marriage thing and the Bush defense, "Marriage is Sacred."  No, when you have a divorce rate of fifty percent, marriage isn't remotely sacred. When morons like Brittney Spears can go on a drunken spree that culminates in a spur-of-the-moment marriage with no blood tests, no waiting period for a license than marriage isn't  remotely sacred.  So if Bushie and the GOP (Grey Old Men; Grumpy Old Poops) want to deny gay marriage, they have to find a better one than the sanctity of marriage.

Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 11:16:40 AM
...Now they wield racism like a subtle..

Maybe a stab with a "subtle stiletto" is part of Compassionate Conservatism.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jennifer on February 16, 2004, 11:27:24 AM
I also enjoyed Alias last night.  Apparently it won't be on for another 3 weeks. Boo :(

I really don't get why they gave away a significant plot point, in the teaser for the next episode.  Yes, they gave a hint about said plot point during the show.

But are teasers/previews supposed to give away major plot points?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Matt H. on February 16, 2004, 11:28:02 AM
DR Jose, we were supposed to get the snow storm yesterday, but the temperatures did not drop fast enough, and all it ended up being was rain. It's as gorgeous today as can be, though very cold - 39 at this moment.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Matt H. on February 16, 2004, 11:32:57 AM
I agree completely on COLD CASE. That show leaves me with a lump in my throat just about every week. There's something about giving people closure after many, many years in limbo that just tears me up inside. It's a very satisfying and emotionally affecting program.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 11:33:36 AM
Stop me before I kill again!

In the brief hour I have been gone from the site I journeyed to BN.com to buy Penny's "Jewish Thighs on B'Way" to read before the show on Saturday (forgive me Noel).

Well, while there I picked up "New Brain" and "Amour" that SWW wanted; he also wanted Uncharted Territory, but getting it from them would have delayed my Jewish Thighs shipment. So off to Amazon! Ordered the Schwartz, and noticed that I still had the cast recording of "Loesser by Loesser" (so I ordered it to honor DR CP). While there I was prompted to pick up the DVD of the London Oklahoma and the CD of "The Boy from OZ" (I've always been a Peter Allen fan - comes from hanging out in too many gay piano bars). Also succumbed to Wasserman's "The Impossible Musical ('cause I'm a nut for reading about "the creative process"). In deference to our dear BK, I did not order "Broadway Inspirations".

der Brucer - pondering where to add the latest purchases to the burgeoning shelves (DVDs now stand at 574 disks - 368 titles) CDs are over 700, with 350 Musical Show related. (And don't get me started on Cook Books!)


Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Matt H. on February 16, 2004, 11:34:00 AM
Thanks, Dan, for the MONK synopsis. I DID see that episode; from Season 2. I sure didn't remember Melissa George on it. Perhaps it will be one of the ones ABC reruns on Saturday nights and nI can catch it again.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jane on February 16, 2004, 11:34:17 AM
- I think this morning, was the morning!

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]GOOD VIBES AND GOOD LUCK ON YOUR DIET![/move]
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 11:40:00 AM

But are teasers/previews supposed to give away major plot points?

Let's ask Janet Jackson about "teasers".

der Brucer (who noticed Beyonce is joining the "let it all hang out" club Almost X-Rated (http://www.foxnews.com/images/116572/0_22_021604_beyonce.jpg))
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jane on February 16, 2004, 11:44:13 AM
If I were president I would pass a law to protect the environment.  At this moment I’m not sure which environmental protection act it would be since there are so many to choose from.  Then of course I would have to hope the next administration didn’t overthrow my good deed.

Must leave the computer as the carpet guy is about to clean in here.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 11:49:26 AM
In other news...

- I think this morning, was the morning!  

Why do I have this surrealistic vision of you standing at a counter with an Egg-beater Omelet on one side and a Large slab of Death by Chocolate on the the other while an Orchestra with oh so many strings launches into "This Is My Moment".

der Brucer (who once lost over 20 lbs by switching to Miller Lite from Budweiser)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Matt H. on February 16, 2004, 11:52:08 AM
Some shows are more infamous than ALIAS about giving away major plot points in previews. Last season, '24' created a firestorm when it revealed the DEATH of a major character in a preview.

In the case of the ALIAS revelation, though I said before it didn't surprise me, one must also remember who it was who was talking and the fact that this character admitted he enjoyed manipulating people and pulling strings. That might have been all it was. Or not. :)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 11:52:30 AM
So, here's my presidential query:
IF marriage is a sacred and holy union of two people, then how can the government (which according to the Constitution, seperates CHURCH from STATE) think that they have any right to redifine MARRIAGE and pass bills on who can and cannot marry whom?  
For pity's sakes!  Prisoners in institutions across these vast United States can get married while serving time for THE CRIMES they have committed -they're not in a Las Vegas hotel!  Why should CRIMINALS have more rights than the man or the woman in the streets?! ! ?
So, you see, IF I WERE PRESIDENT, my two biggies would be rulings on RULINGS ON MARRIAGE and PRISON REFORM.  Prisons are not meant to be dude ranches, they are meant to be reform oriented, not social halls.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 11:53:13 AM
Notes from around the world #1

Canada gets even!

Canada Condemns 'Racist' Conan O'Brien TV Show (http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/goto/?getPage=http%3A%2F%2Fnews%2Eyahoo%2Ecom%2Fnews%3Ftmpl%3Dstory2%26cid%3D638%26u%3D%2Fnm%2F20040213%2Fen%5Fnm%2Fleisure%5Fcanada%5Fconan%5Fdc%26printer%3D1&return=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edrudgereportarchives%2Ecom%2Fdsp%2Flinks%5Frecap%2Ehtm)



Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 12:00:29 PM
Notes from around the world #2:

TomOfOz - watch out for your neighbors!

Harried Hares

New Zealand's advertising watchdog has determined that an ad featuring a group of dancing, chanting butchers praising red meat was "extremely derogatory and insulting to Hare Krishnas," reports the New Zealand Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3548208&thesection=news&thesubsection=general)

"The Appeal Board was in no doubt that the intonation, rhythm, chanting and instrumentation of the butchers dancing down the street was evocative of the Hare Krishna movement," the Advertising Standards Complaint Board said in its ruling.

"Taking into account that Hare Krishnas had vegetarian dietary habits and considered the cow to be a sacred animal, the advertisement ... was extremely derogatory and insulting to Hare Krishnas," it added.

der Brucer (who as a frequent airline traveller has little good will for the Hairy Krishas)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Panni on February 16, 2004, 12:02:47 PM
By the by, this gay marriage thing and the Bush defense, "Marriage is Sacred."  No, when you have a divorce rate of fifty percent, marriage isn't remotely sacred. When morons like Brittney Spears can go on a drunken spree that culminates in a spur-of-the-moment marriage with no blood tests, no waiting period for a license than marriage isn't  remotely sacred.  So if Bushie and the GOP (Grey Old Men; Grumpy Old Poops) want to deny gay marriage, they have to find a better one than the sanctity of marriage.

Right on! You write with such humor and passion, FS Pogue! A great combination.

Thank you for the LOST HORIZON suggestion, bk.  A good choice. I'll pass it on.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 12:03:13 PM
And here at home:

Roger Friedman in Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111477,00.html):

CBS Apologizes for Being on the Air
 
In the past week, CBS has apologized for the Super Bowl halftime show, made Justin Timberlake apologize for the same and now they've said they're sorry that OutKast dressed up like Indians on the Grammy show.

If there's anything else CBS is sorry for they should get it out of their system. They don't seem to be sorry for "Survivor" or all the hideous reality shows it begat. They're not sorry for the sad shape of "The Early Show," or the disastrous way they treat "Guiding Light" after 40-plus years on the air. If I were CBS, I would also apologize for "Becker," "Yes, Dear," "King of Queens," "Still Standing," the existence of Richard Hatch and every treacly season of "Touched by an Angel."

But hey, the year is young!

der Brucer (Gee, Roger, tell us what you really think!)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 16, 2004, 12:04:30 PM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]Happy President's Day[/move][/b]

             to all presidents who were not
         appointed by the Supreme Court
         due to voting booth fraud
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: TCB on February 16, 2004, 12:14:56 PM
If I were President (although I prefer Vice), I would start by trying to mend fences with our allies all over the world.  This lone gunslinger mentality has turned us from the most powerful and popular nation on earth to the most popular and feared nation on earth.  And when I had finsihed with that, I would send Conan O'Brien to North Korea and see what he could do for us there.

And speaking of Vice Presidents, did you notice that the only couple in recent history that has matched Tipper and Al Gore for The Kiss was Lisa Minelli and David Gest?  What could that possibly mean?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 12:18:42 PM
...this character admitted he enjoyed manipulating people and pulling strings...

Karl Rove in a Sitcom?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 12:27:59 PM
The phone people were supposed to be here between 8 and 12.  It is now 12:30.  I've been told I'm next and yet they cannot tell me when he'll be here - which begs the question: Why book a morning appt between 8 and 12 if they can't tell you when the technician will arrive?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jane on February 16, 2004, 12:28:35 PM
Hi RLP and

WELCOME!
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Tomovoz on February 16, 2004, 12:33:26 PM
Great first post RLP. Welcome from lurkdom. (From someone who is not going to comment on American presidents etc).
Dan: Melissa George - I think the Oz teenagers are familiar with her work. I am not.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 12:56:19 PM
Good afternoon!

Well... I got some of my excavation done...  Not too much dust... yeah, right!  Ah, well...

If found some things I was looking for.  I found some things I had been looking for a few months ago.  I found things I wasn't looking for - "Oh, that's right, I did buy/copy that music!?!?".  And, unfortunately, there are still a few items that will have to be found in the next stage of the dig.

-And after a trip to Kinko's this afternoon, I should have some various and sundried packages off to various and sundried DRs tomorrow morning! *I'd go today, but since it's President's Day, the post office is closed.  But we all already knew it was President's Day due to our own calendar-savvy BK!

And, BK - Ah, the "joys" of "appointment windows".  -At least you're working from home currently, so.... - Always a bright side, ain't there? ;)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 12:56:51 PM
IF marriage is a sacred and holy union of two people, then how can the government (which according to the Constitution, seperates CHURCH from STATE) think that they have any right to redifine MARRIAGE and pass bills on who can and cannot marry whom?  

The "Gay Marriage Issue" is not as simple as it first appears.

If we simply state the "Marriage" is a religious rite, then keeping the government out of it makes perfect sense - let the churches set their own rules. However, when the state also establishes "Marriage" as a civil contract with attendant benefits and obligations, the issue clouds.

If we were to relegate "Marriage" to the Churches, and establish a separate "civil-union" for family units much of the argument would go away - a solution, by the way, which is not on the table!

One proposed position is to define civil "Marriage" as a contract between one man and one woman, and to establish a separate "civil union" for non-traditional families. This position (with which I, for one, could live) finds enemies all camps. Gay activists say that "separate but equal is not equal" and demand state sanctioned "Gay Marriage"; the religious right says that any civil union that confers benefits similar to civil marriage is an attack on The Family and spells the end of civilization. (To these folks, "Marriage" is a zero sum -game; whatever is awarded to same-sex couples is a subtraction from Traditional Families.)

The current debate centers on The Family Marriage Amendment - and the devil is in the details. The press is fond of stating that the Amendment simply provides that Marriage be restricted to one-man/one women. The oft-reported polls usually ask a question like "Do you think marriage should be restricted to one man/one women?".

However, the issue on the able is The Federal Marriage Amendment introduced last year by Rep. Marilyn Musgrave (R-Colo.).

It states: "“Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman."

OK so far, for most folks.

But it then goes on to say:

"Neither this constitution or the constitution of any state, nor state or federal law, shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups.”

And now the parsing begins!

(Following extracted from The Southern Voice (http://www.southernvoice.com/2004/2-13/news/national/poised.cfm)):

Gay rights attorneys have said the term “legal incidents” of marriage would outlaw civil unions and domestic partnership laws as well as same-sex marriage, saying the amendment would overturn domestic partner laws in dozens of cities and states. It would also nullify Vermont’s landmark civil unions law, according to gay rights attorneys.

Musgrave and attorneys backing the amendment, including several law school professors, dispute this assertion. They argue that the amendment would allow civil unions and domestic partner laws to stand as long as they are enacted by state legislatures or other legislative bodies rather than by courts or judges.

[end of extract]

So it seems the Federal Marriage Amendment is, if nothing else, a full-employment bill for lawyers.

It seems clear that regardless of the proponents’ zeal, there will be no Constitutional change for some years. It also seems clear that in that time span civil-unions and domestic partnerships will continue where now present, and most likely expand to other states.

No one dares look ahead to the utter chaos attendant on an ex-post facto rejection of such arrangements - too many bells will have been rung!

So like so many issues, when somebody says "Gay Marriage" we probably need to ask, "What do you mean?"

der Brucer (who, along with many others, is concerned that a full-court press for Gay Marriage today could jeopardize many of the gains the gay community has already made - a review of 1930's Germany will establish that "the clock can indeed be turned back".






 



 
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jennifer on February 16, 2004, 01:06:37 PM
Poor BK: I'm sure they'll be there soon. After all you are next :)

I hate it that they expect people to sit at home all day waiting for whatever technician to show up. They should be able to give you a one hour period, instead of saying we'll be there between 9pm-5pm.

Btw, Der Brucer: Living in Montreal, there was an article in the paper about that Conan O'Brien show (filmed in Toronto) where they insulted French speaking Quebecois.  Btw, did anyone actually see the show?

DR Jose: I am anxious to hear what your roomie said. Hopefully he's considerate and apologizes.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Robin on February 16, 2004, 01:20:06 PM
DR Jose: I am anxious to hear what your roomie said. Hopefully he's considerate and apologizes.

Someday, we should do a "roommate horror stories" day...
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 01:23:51 PM
I'm next, all right.  Only the technician who's coming here STARTED at noon, so there is no telling when he'll be here.  These people are the stupidest most inept people ever.  When I asked the dispatcher why I was told a morning appointment, his response was "I don't have that information".  Apparently no one has that information.  No one can tell anyone anything.  And the people at SBC are happy enough to sell you DSL but not happy to deal with problems.  The people at DSL are not happy to deal with problems.  The tech support people are all very nice but they're at the behest of these other cretins.  And here I sit, so angry that I cannot even work.  They are now trying to find out some kind of time frame so that I can at least get the hell out of here for a little bit.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Matt H. on February 16, 2004, 01:28:45 PM
Someday, we should do a "roommate horror stories" day...

And I've got a beaut when we do. I can even provide visual aids with my story.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jane on February 16, 2004, 01:32:07 PM
They are now trying to find out some kind of time frame so that I can at least get the hell out of here for a little bit.

I hate feeling trapped in my own house.   >:(
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jane on February 16, 2004, 01:35:16 PM
Matt H-LOL

As an adult I have only had one roommate-Keith.  Lucky me! :)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: S. Woody White on February 16, 2004, 01:39:49 PM
I think Merchant-Ivory's MAURICE represents exactly what you're describing - a young Edwardian era gentleman comes to terms with his homosexuality through a painful, scary, and hurtful but ultimately fulfilling journey/process.

However, to show to high school students - no. The girls in general would probably get it and be thoroughly caught up in it, but the boys in general would be sniggering about the nudity and sex and probably find it ultimately a bore.

Don't mean to make any offensive blanket statements about teenagers as they're as varied a group as any other and have the potential for enlightenment possibly better than older people already set in their ways and in rigid mindsets. On the other hand, having taught them for 30 years, more often than not, the majority kind of fell into lockstep with the descriptions I stated above.
I'd be more worried about their parents.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Robin on February 16, 2004, 01:44:44 PM
The "Gay Marriage Issue" is not as simple as it first appears.

If we were to relegate "Marriage" to the Churches, and establish a separate "civil-union" for family units much of the argument would go away - a solution, by the way, which is not on the table!

der Brucer (who, along with many others, is concerned that a full-court press for Gay Marriage today could jeopardize many of the gains the gay community has already made - a review of 1930's Germany will establish that "the clock can indeed be turned back".

I share that fear with you, my friend, and think it's unfortunate that the issue is coming up this year, what with the election and all.  And you can bet that it will come up, over and over again, as the Right tries to paint the Democrats as the party that wants to destroy the Institution of Marriage. . .

As to the whole thing 'bout "marriage" being a religious institution and "civil unions" being a state institution...well, it sort of IS on the table.  The Democrats running for president* have essentially made "civil unions" between gay and lesbian couples part of their positions on the issue, stopping short of calling it "marriage".  This is a position I can live with, and apparently, you can too.  But the religious right cannot.  Any legal parity between heterosexual and homosexual couples will automatically get challenged as being an attack on the institution of marriage; that much they've made abundantly clear.  

And as to the whole "Sanctity of Marriage" arguement...it seems to me that a relationship is as sacred as the two people in it make it.  The idea that one relationship is more "blessed" than another by virtue of anatomical equipment isn't just stupid, it's offensive.  

(*It's important to note here that both Dennis Kuchinich and the Rev. Al Sharpton do support full marriage benefits to gay and lesbian couples.)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Panni on February 16, 2004, 01:54:24 PM
DerBrucer - I started reading your post on "gay marriage" and stopped because it was making me think too much about issues other than my script. So - stop posting thought provoking intelligent stuff, for God's sake, until I finish working!
I'll get back to your post later. Looks like a good one.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 01:55:42 PM
Latest update: The technician is on his way and should be here within the hour, whatever that means.

I ran to my mail place and thankfully the new TIVO unit was there and they gave me the same model I had so I don't have to learn everything again.  Now if the TIVO people show up by noon tomorrow, all will be well.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 01:58:29 PM
I will have to be off-line while the technician is here, so keep the home fries burning.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: S. Woody White on February 16, 2004, 01:59:42 PM
der Brucer - pondering where to add the latest purchases to the burgeoning shelves (DVDs now stand at 574 disks - 368 titles) CDs are over 700, with 350 Musical Show related. (And don't get me started on Cook Books!)
The cook books are mine!  Mine!  MINE!  And don't you forget it!  Bwa-ha-ha-ha!
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Matt H. on February 16, 2004, 02:10:48 PM
I don't have the nerve to count my DVDs or CDs. I think the number would be so absurdly high that I'd be shamed into thinking I could have spent the money on something more practical like a new roof for the house or repainting the entire house.

Bah! I love music and movies.  ;D
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jennifer on February 16, 2004, 02:11:04 PM
Good vibes to BK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The thing I want to know is do all customers get upset by stupidity or are we the only ones who get stupid employees?  
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jennifer on February 16, 2004, 02:16:23 PM
Good luck DR Jose with your diet.

And how pathetic is it that BK's mention of "home fries" made me crave french fries :)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jennifer on February 16, 2004, 02:18:27 PM
Am I the only one here who rarely BUYS dvds (except theatre related)?  I rent movies at my video store, instead of buying them.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 02:21:01 PM
Interesting news from the Great White Way - Nancy Opel will be replacing Barbara Barrie in the still in previews revival of Fiddler on the Roof.  The reason given is "creative differences".

DR Jennifer - Well, my roommate did apologize for the "incident" - and, I, of course, told him that there was still some "stuff" on the sink - which he will take care of tonight - but I will take care of it in a few minutes since I don't want to be washing up in a dirty sink.  Oh - and he only "made contact" with me on his way out the door to work.  Otherwise, he stayed in his bedroom or the bathroom since he woke up.  What's the term I learned in Avenue Q?  -Ah, Schadenfreude!  I guess it can be applied in this situation.

OK - Time to get out of the apartment for a while... Later, folks.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: S. Woody White on February 16, 2004, 02:21:07 PM
Dear BK: Re the notion of a flat tax, I'm basically in agreement.  However, we're not talking about funding just one level of government, but four.  We've got the National level, State level, County (or Province or whatever) level, and the Local (city, township) level.

So, if we're talking about a one single rate of tax, then that rate has to be divvied up somehow, and getting the various levels to agree on how those divvies are to be divved is going to cause a major headache.

I recall that the counties in California already have a particularly difficult time raising monies, because the state grabs so much and bars the counties from getting more than the state "charitably" gives them.  This works fine, for counties with small populations, but the County of Los Angeles is facing bankruptcy, and that county's infrastructure is falling apart.

Likewise, does a state like South Dakota need the same proportion of tax money as populous states like CA?

So much for finding an easy solution.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Michael on February 16, 2004, 02:27:51 PM
Well I thought today was going to be a good one, but unfortunatly it did not. One of my co-workers passed away over the weekend. She was younger than I and had young children. I worked with her closely and am absolutely devasted. I thought she would get better, but took a bad turn and the family took her off life support.

Life is so fragile. We must appreciate the people we know and love because tomorrow they could be gone.

Tonight I am seeing Janna Robbins at the Crest Theater in Delray Beach. I hope it will make me feel better.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 16, 2004, 02:28:54 PM
And as to the whole "Sanctity of Marriage" arguement...it seems to me that a relationship is as sacred as the two people in it make it.  The idea that one relationship is more "blessed" than another by virtue of anatomical equipment isn't just stupid, it's offensive.  

It's really quite time for rational thought to enter this entire debate over "sanctity" and marriage being something that only "God" can consecrate.

Marriage is much older than Christianity or the concept of "God" as the one creator of all things.  Marriage has been around since man began taking a mate.  Marriage has been an institution in all religions and non-religions since history began being recorded.  Isis and Osiris spring to mind.

Marriage is a personal commitment to another person.  All the "State" has to do is to recognize such commitments "equally" in regards to the benefits society grants those in committed relationships.

Church has no business being a State argument.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 02:31:03 PM
DR Robin Anderson - And I'm guessing some of us could share "tour mate" horror stories too!  Boy, do I have some of those!  Thankfully, all with happy endings.

I counted my CDs a few years ago.  I did break into four digits, but I don't remember the specific count.  And I think it was that inventory that curbed my buying of CDs.  There were and still are too many titles I've either: 1) listened to oncein it's entirety, 2) listened to only one or two tracks, 3) not listened to at all - but I have it for reference (Can you say Wagner's "Ring Cycle"?), and 4) not listened at all AND still in the original cellophane wrap!

My DVD collection, however, is relatively small and "reasonable" - I'm not even sure I've topped 50 titles.  I've mainly bought shows (musical theatre), some classics, Disney and a couple of all time favorites - sentimental and otherwise.

Ok - Now I'm off... laters..
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: PennyO on February 16, 2004, 02:32:56 PM
Just got an e-mail from a friend who teaches at a private high school in New Mexico. He was looking among his friends who have a knowledge of movies for a film to show his senior class as a companion piece to their reading of SIDDHARTHA. The other teachers are showing THE RAZOR'S EDGE (Bill Murray version) - but he previewed it and didn't like it. Here's part of the letter:
"I am writing to ask if you have a suggestion for a film that a) represents in some clear and powerful way the protagonist's quest to discover him/herself and/or the meaning of life and 2) is a high achievement as a work of art.  I might add as another criterion that it be a suitable companion piece to SIDDHARTHA:  the students will be reading Hesse over the same days as they are also watching whatever movie I choose (and will also be writing in a journal some reflections on their own journey)."

Panni - I think you should suggest GROUNDHOG DAY, also with Bill Murray. It is a great work of art, and would go so well with SIDDHARTHA. I love this film.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: S. Woody White on February 16, 2004, 02:39:48 PM
Re the DVD collection der Brucer mentioned: some of the stuff we have we've added to our collection for the benefit of the grandlads.  I seriously doubt that I would have let him buy The Story of Peter Cottontail for our viewing pleasure.  Likewise, my "arguement" for getting the Chaplin DVDs was not just for my own enjoyment, but so that we would have them on hand for the grandlads when they've grown enough to appreciate them.

I've been keeping a spreadsheet on the various titles we've got.  To the side of the sheet is a "notes" section, basically as a reminder for how appropriate certain films are for the lads.  Some I've listed as "for older kids," some I comment on the level of violence.  I'm thinking of listing some as "Not when Mommy is around," but if Mommy gets ahold of the list she might not appreciate that.   ;D
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 02:45:56 PM
The technician has been and gone.  Apparently the DSL signal is not getting to my house strongly enough.  Another technician must now come out and check the cables on their end.  This will happen tomorrow between eight and twelve.  Uh huh.  Could even happen later today.  Uh huh.  At noon tomorrow DSL is working or it's history.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: George on February 16, 2004, 02:51:54 PM
Bruce, when I wanted to upgrade from standard phone dial-up to a faster Internet access, I tried to get DSL first, mainly because I saw a lot of commercials advertising specials.  Anyway, when I tried to actually sign up it, it turned out that I lived too far away from their "hub" to be able to get it.  You had to live within 15,000 feet (a little less than 3 miles) of the hub and I lived too far away.  I wonder if that might be a problem with the signal not being strong enough.

I went with cable Internet access (by default) but have been very happy...so far. :D
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 16, 2004, 02:53:31 PM
DSL is worth the wait, BK, if AOL is the alternative.

I waited two years, sad to say, from the time I was approved for a DSL/home computer package  to the time the DSL signal actually entered my home.

Glad to say the PC arrived right away but I had to use AOL for those two years.  I would not go back for anything.

There are too many cooks in the DSL stew, apparently, and they aren't all following the same recipe.  I recommend a bit more patience and let them sort things out.  You'll be glad in the end.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: William F. Orr on February 16, 2004, 02:54:08 PM
Oh my, I've never seen this board so political before!  I guess Presidents' Day is more than just a Monday Holiday (PRICES SLASHED!!) around here.

Flat Tax:  I think the problem with a "flat tax" is the way the political system in this country works.  As soon as a Flat Tax Bill is introduced in Congress, there will be deals made to get it passed.  And one of the deals will be an itty-bitty rider granting just one itt-bitty and necessary exception.  And then two.  And then three.  And once it gets passed, the next year will see a couple of laws granting exceptions and exeptions to the exceptions, and before long we'll be right back where we are now.

Of course, if by some miracle a pure flat tax law did take effect, the devestating unemployment among accountants might cause an economic upheaval.

Marriage and Saving the Family:  I know that France and other European countries have a rather sensible system.  Civil marriage is in no way whatsoever related to religious ceremonies.  You can have a $10,000,000 wedding in the middle of the Champs Élysés officiated by the Pope himself, but you are not married in the eyes of the law until you have a ceremony officiated by a civil clerk.

It always seemed rather absurd that in our country a religious professional is able to perform a ceremony that is recognized by the civil authorities.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 16, 2004, 02:57:02 PM
Panni - I think you should suggest GROUNDHOG DAY, also with Bill Murray. It is a great work of art, and would go so well with SIDDHARTHA. I love this film.

Bill Murray's "A Razor's Edge"?  Good lord!

The original with Tyrone Power would have been far better.

However, looking for something a bit more contemporary that qualifies as art and has a protagonist seeking herself and a meaning to life, look no further than "Out of Africa."  One of the great stories to find perfect realization on film.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: PennyO on February 16, 2004, 02:57:17 PM
Re the DVD collection der Brucer mentioned: some of the stuff we have we've added to our collection for the benefit of the grandlads.  I seriously doubt that I would have let him buy The Story of Peter Cottontail for our viewing pleasure.  Likewise, my "arguement" for getting the Chaplin DVDs was not just for my own enjoyment, but so that we would have them on hand for the grandlads when they've grown enough to appreciate them.

Jeez, you sweet ol' Grampa's make me so jealous of those little grandlads... Adopt me, guys!!! PS - thanks for buying my book!! Now, that's a true friend - one who actually BUYS the book.  And it's so true. Ask BK, Panni, Pogue, the other writers on the site. It takes time and effort to create stories, with the fondest hope of entertaining our now-and-future friends and fans. How very touched I am that you've gone and bought JEWISH THIGHS!! (keep it from the grandlads... oy, would their mother plotz!)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: George on February 16, 2004, 02:57:25 PM
The first thing that I'd do as President (today's Topic of the Day) is repeal the D.O.M.A. (Defense of Marriage Act...unless it already has been.  I don’t know.).  If it's illegal to discriminate on the basis of gender, it seems that the D.O.M.A. and any potential legislation to define U.S. civil marriage as specifically between a man and a woman, is basically trying to legislate discrimination and that alone should make it unconstitutional.  I know it's a simplistic argument, but there you go.

Also, if marriage is such a "sacred" institution, wouldn't that preclude self-proclaimed athiests from being able to get married?  Shouldn't "marriage" then exist ONLY within the context of a religious organization and then they (those of the religious organization) could (legally) prevent anyone who wasn't a devout member of their specific church from getting married?  AND if marriage really is such a "sacred" institution, shouldn't D-I-V-O-R-C-E (a Tammy Wynette reference) be illegal?  Hmmm?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: William F. Orr on February 16, 2004, 03:00:00 PM
 :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(

Golly gee, I got the first post on page 4!

In celebration, here is another picture of Sharon McNight (no K), evidently playing the part of Belle Poitrine.

And by the bye (btb in Internet Lingo), are all you Patrick Dennis fans aware that belle poitrine is French for "beautiful bossom"?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 16, 2004, 03:06:53 PM
Gee!

Wouldn't you think there'd be a law that made it a requirement for a politician to be E-lected first before he ran for RE-election?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jane on February 16, 2004, 03:43:57 PM
Am I the only one here who rarely BUYS dvds (except theatre related)?  I rent movies at my video store, instead of buying them.

I'm with you, except we get them through Netflix.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 03:52:10 PM
When I ordered DSL through SBC (my phone provider) they told me I was not that close to the hub and that I wouldn't get the "speediest" service, but that it would be thirty times faster or more than dial-up.  Obviously, they know where Studio City is, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who has DSL around here.  In fact, the technician said he'd gotten a good signal about a half-year ago right around the corner.  

But, if there were a problem with proximity, they should know that and not try to sell you something they can't deliver.  I can get the cable modem thing through Direct TV, no problem, and that will be the next step.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jed on February 16, 2004, 03:53:39 PM
Hello all.  Been a bit E&T the past day or two, but am back now.  Spent much of yesterday feeling rather ill, but luckily it turned out to be a 12-hour bug of some sort, and all is well in the world of Jed's stomach again.

Topic d'jour... If someone wanted me to be President, I'd run like hell. :D  

Didn't even realize until just now how appropriate it is that I'm having myself a bit of a The West Wing marathon at the moment.  I'm guessing there's probably one of the same happening on TV, but as I am without cable, mine is via DVD.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jane on February 16, 2004, 03:54:03 PM
Michael Shayne I’m sorry about your co-worker.  It is very sad.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 03:57:16 PM
Well I thought today was going to be a good one, but unfortunatly it did not. One of my co-workers passed away over the weekend. She was younger than I and had young children. I worked with her closely and am absolutely devasted. I thought she would get better, but took a bad turn and the family took her off life support.

Life is so fragile. We must appreciate the people we know and love because tomorrow they could be gone.


[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]AMEN![/move][/color]
 :'(
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: MBarnum on February 16, 2004, 03:59:39 PM
BK, here is someone to get your mind off of your DSL worries!



Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jed on February 16, 2004, 04:00:35 PM
And I might have Kenny G. shot.  That alone would send my poll numbers through the roof.  

I've always loved the fact that when Kenny G graduated high school, he auditioned for the music department at my alma mater.  Our jazz director at the time (a legend in the NW jazz education world) not only didn't take Kenny in his jazz band, but he flatly denied him entrance into the department! :D
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 04:03:05 PM
So, here's my presidential query:
IF marriage is a sacred and holy union of two people, then how can the government (which according to the Constitution, seperates CHURCH from STATE) think that they have any right to redifine MARRIAGE and pass bills on who can and cannot marry whom?  

Please note that I qualified my query with a MAJOR "IF."

Marriage needs to have a definite definition ere lawgivers and lawmakers may begin to pass laws regarding it.  And, it should start at the lowest level of jurisdiction.

Personally, with the divorce rate as high as it is, I oftimes wonder whether or not marriage is a dead as the dodo; then I see couples who have been together through the good, the bad and the ugly who made committments and stuck to them for, and I think that marriage is alive and well.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jane on February 16, 2004, 04:06:39 PM
I've always loved the fact that when Kenny G graduated high school, he auditioned for the music department at my alma mater.  Our jazz director at the time (a legend in the NW jazz education world) not only didn't take Kenny in his jazz band, but he flatly denied him entrance into the department! :D

Smart man.  So how did he get to be so popular.  His music is sooooo boring!
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jane on February 16, 2004, 04:08:04 PM
Penny we also love “Ground Hog Day” but I never thought of suggesting it.  Odd, but good choice.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Panni on February 16, 2004, 04:42:39 PM
Michael Shayne - Sorry to hear of the loss of your colleague.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Panni on February 16, 2004, 04:46:24 PM
Thanks for the movie suggestions, all.

I'm finished the revised script! I guess I'll read it one more time - but I've been going almost non-stop since very early this morning. I think it's in good shape. But at the moment I couldn't clearly tell you my name - so what do I know? I'm going to feed the wonderdog now and take him out for a short walk. That may (or may not) clear my head for one more reading of the script.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Panni on February 16, 2004, 04:47:41 PM
...And I teared up at the end. Which is always a good sign. If it moves me and I wrote it, maybe it'll move people who didn't write it -- if that makes any sense.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 04:53:49 PM
Could Cinema Paradiso - the full three-hour version - work as the movie?

And very interesting crawls across the bottom of my TV screen right now... Some school systems are already announcing that they will start two hours late tomorrow.  Hmm... However, the storm is still not due to hit until tomorrow afternoon.  Guess I need to check the latest weather reports... Unless...

The crawls have stopped... I wonder if it was a mistake and/or test run. ;)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 16, 2004, 05:00:32 PM
What's the difference between DSL & Broadband?  I'm still using dial-up.  

RLP is right.  Go with the Ty Power version of THE RAZOR'S EDGE.  Besides Ty, the beautiful Gene Tierney, the delightfully acerbic Clifton Webb, The sturdy John Payne, a strong, Anne Baxter, and the ever-staunch Bart Marshall (or Herbert, if you prefer).
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jennifer on February 16, 2004, 05:06:24 PM
DR Michael Shayne: I'm very sorry about your co-worker. I hope her young kids have lots of family and friends to help them get through this difficult time.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jed on February 16, 2004, 06:25:05 PM
6 posts in over two hours?  Well, at least it didn't take long to catch up...  :-\
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 06:38:53 PM
Yeah, even I was amazed, but then it's been that kind of a day.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Panni on February 16, 2004, 06:43:57 PM
I'll post just to keep the home fries burning.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jane on February 16, 2004, 06:51:35 PM
...And I teared up at the end. Which is always a good sign. If it moves me and I wrote it, maybe it'll move people who didn't write it -- if that makes any sense.

Lots of sense and made me smile.   :)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: MBarnum on February 16, 2004, 07:10:23 PM
Well, I could post another photo of Ms. Leslie Parrish, but I am not sure if BK enjoyed the first one!!!

So instead I will post another photo of Mr. Cal Bolder!

Woops, I don't find that I have any more photos of Mr. Cal Bolder at the moment. So here is a nice photo of the mysterious Mr. Brad Jackson, who declines to be interviewed  :'(

I stilll like him though.

Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: MBarnum on February 16, 2004, 07:17:33 PM
...or I could post a nice photo of Mr. Van Williams who did let me interview him! Here he is with his lovely co-star from BOURBON STREET BEAT Ms. Arlene Howell.

Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: MBarnum on February 16, 2004, 07:21:21 PM
Ok, I am doing my best at keeping home fries burning!!

Here is a nice shot of the lovely Ms. Diana (THE AMAZING COLOSSAL MAN) Darrin in an episode of the Superman TV series. Ms. Darrin of course is one of the lovely people I had the pleasure of luncheoning with in my travels down south in September (which I of course have talked about non-stop on this hear sight for the last few months! LOL!)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 07:32:26 PM
Now, that's a true friend - one who actually BUYS the book.  And it's so true. Ask BK, Panni, Pogue, the other writers on the site.

Well, a little promotion helps. BK is a shameless hustler, so I have all the Benjamin Whats-his-name books - autographed no less, with stains from ham chunks and cheese slices. I presumed Panni and Pogue only wrote screenplays, if not, then, again, a little promotion would help.

der Brucer (eager consumer awaits ads)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 07:33:37 PM
Hey, DR MBarnum!  How was your visit the other night?  Huh? Details, I want details! ;-)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 07:36:19 PM
Okay, I missed TRADING SPACES over the weekend, and I hear tell that we saw Ty Pennington in the shower without his shirt. . .is it true?
I could just plotzt!
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: George on February 16, 2004, 07:46:31 PM
Okay, I missed TRADING SPACES over the weekend, and I hear tell that we saw Ty Pennington in the shower without his shirt. . .is it true?
I could just plotzt!

I'd pay to see that! ;)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: George on February 16, 2004, 07:55:27 PM
I'm helping to keep the home fries burning...actually the home macaroni and cheese sauce with refried beans cooking...fortunately not actually burning.

It all started with me wanting to do something with some sour cream that was about a week old, but still good.  So I opened a can of vegetarian refried beans, heated up the beans, mixed in the sour cream and dipped in some chips.  I also had an opened jar of salsa con queso (cheese sauce), so I mixed in some (but not all) of that.  That was lunch.  For dinner I was looking around and saw a bag of "macaroni product" (why can't they just call it macaroni?) and thought that the bean/sour cream/salsa/ mixture might be good with the macaroni.  So I cooked the macaroni, added what was left of the jar of salsa con queso (there was more than half) and presto!:  Mexican-style macaroni product with vegetarian refried beans, sour cream and salsa con queso.  It's quite tasty and since there is practically a VAT of it, it'll last a few days. ;D
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on February 16, 2004, 08:01:09 PM
Add my voice to RLP's and Charles Pogue's on the merits of The Razor's Edge.

I'm also a fan of The Letter - another Somerset Maugham work turned movie; also with Herbert Marshall (as Bette Davis's cuckolded husband. Bette to Herbert: "With all my heart, I still love the man I killed!").

Unfortunately, the ending was changed for the censors. It's less powerful than the original story, but still pretty chilling.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 08:02:49 PM
I'd pay to see that! ;)

Which? Ty in the shower, or me plotzing? ! ?! ?  ;)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 16, 2004, 08:04:09 PM
Okay, I missed TRADING SPACES over the weekend, and I hear tell that we saw Ty Pennington in the shower without his shirt. . .is it true?
I could just plotzt!

It was on that ABC show called "Extreme Makeover" for a house.  Ty and a team of professionals totally transformed a house in a matter of days.  Last shot was of Pennington stripped trying out the shower.

From the looks of him (waist up only), he's all muscle and about 3% body fat.  All that muscle is highly toned, too.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: George on February 16, 2004, 08:05:21 PM
Which? Ty in the shower, or me plotzing? ! ?! ?  ;)

Thanks for the offer, but Ty. ;D ...unless... ;)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on February 16, 2004, 08:07:29 PM
DR Panni,

Congrats on finishing the revised script (or revising the finished script).
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 08:10:56 PM
Thanks for the offer, but Ty. ;D ...unless... ;)

(http://www.djvlad.com/assets/images/db_images/db_ty_pennington24.jpg)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 16, 2004, 08:14:10 PM
I'm helping to keep the home fries burning...actually the home macaroni and cheese sauce with refried beans cooking...fortunately not actually burning.

It all started with me wanting to do something with some sour cream that was about a week old, but still good.  So I opened a can of vegetarian refried beans, heated up the beans, mixed in the sour cream and dipped in some chips.  I also had an opened jar of salsa con queso (cheese sauce), so I mixed in some (but not all) of that.  That was lunch.  For dinner I was looking around and saw a bag of "macaroni product" (why can't they just call it macaroni?) and thought that the bean/sour cream/salsa/ mixture might be good with the macaroni.  So I cooked the macaroni, added what was left of the jar of salsa con queso (there was more than half) and presto!:  Mexican-style macaroni product with vegetarian refried beans, sour cream and salsa con queso.  It's quite tasty and since there is practically a VAT of it, it'll last a few days. ;D

I eagerly await DR Jose or SWWs comments on your culinary skills - sounds like you went to the BK Wacky Noodle Cooking School
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jennifer on February 16, 2004, 08:20:27 PM
Okay, I missed TRADING SPACES over the weekend, and I hear tell that we saw Ty Pennington in the shower without his shirt. . .is it true?
I could just plotzt!

Yep, it was on Ty's new show that aired Sunday at 8pm on ABC (Extreme Make-overs-home edition).

It was actually very moving.  This mom with her 3 young boys had written to request this for their dad/husband who was in Iraq.

What the family didn't know was that the father was back and working on the house. And at the end, Ty surprised the family. They were so overwhelmed to see him. It was really sad and exciting.

I just wonder if he had to go back. I kept thinking that if he did, then I wonder why he spent a week working on the house when he could have spent it with his family.

The show is bizarre, because they don't really redo your rooms, a la Trading Spaces. They tear down walls and almost totally rebuild the house.

And yes, Ty made the boys a car-wash style shower. And then in the closing credits, he tried it.

Btw, on Trading Spaces I LOVED Hildy's black & white kitchen (totally beautiful).
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: George on February 16, 2004, 08:21:21 PM
 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
(http://www.djvlad.com/assets/images/db_images/db_ty_pennington24.jpg)
 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

So tell me...is this overkill? ;)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: George on February 16, 2004, 08:23:17 PM
Anyway...in between lunch and dinner, I was recording (from album to my computer to make a CD) the original French cast album of Abbacadbra.  Anyone heard of this show?  They took the songs of ABBA, rewrote all the lyrics of the songs and created a story (it's all in French so I have NO idea what's going on).  This show was recorded in 1983...almost 20 years before Mamma Mia! also took the songs of ABBA and made a new musical from them.  It has fairy tale characters of Snow White, Pinocchio, Blue Beard, Cinderella, Alice (in Wonderland?) Aladdin, the Little Prince, Belle...of Beauty and the Beast maybe?  It's actually kind of fun...in a totally non-understandable way.

I have the original 1990 studio compilation tribute of "Hey, Mr. Producer" which includes two songs from the original London cast recording:  "I Am the Seeker" sung by B.A. Robertson (never heard of him) and "Like an Image Passing By" sung by Elaine Paige.  Neither of these songs sounds familiar, so I think they wrote them for the London production.  Does anyone else know about this show (especially the London cast recording)?  Neither recording is listed at the Musical Cast Album Database (http://www.castalbumdb.com/).
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 08:23:22 PM
Definitely more Leslie Parrish pix.  That would pix me right up.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Matt H. on February 16, 2004, 08:27:40 PM
SPeaking of THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN, how about that series on DVD, Warner Bros? I taped a good many of them off various channels over the years, but I don't think I have all 102 episodes. Not all are that great, but every single one of them will bring my childhood back in a skinny minute by watching about ten seconds of them.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 08:31:11 PM
:-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

So tell me...is this overkill? ;)

Not overkill, but not exactly "I'd pay to see that!" kind of payment, either.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Panni on February 16, 2004, 08:35:00 PM
I couldn't figure out why I'm feeling so damn depressed tonight. So sad. Then it hit me - post-partum depression. Happens almost every time I finish writing. I guess I should take "comfort" in the fact that I'll probably have the script back in a few days for more rewrites. I really did like the people in this script and it's hard to say good-bye to them. One character that I killed off, I particularly miss. Am I raving?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jennifer on February 16, 2004, 08:35:52 PM
Anyway...in between lunch and dinner, I was recording (from album to my computer to make a CD) the original French cast album of Abbacadbra.  Anyone heard of this show?  They took the songs of ABBA, rewrote all the lyrics of the songs and created a story (it's all in French so I have NO idea what's going on).  This show was recorded in 1983...almost 20 years before Mamma Mia! also took the songs of ABBA and made a new musical from them.  It has fairy tale characters of Snow White, Pinocchio, Blue Beard, Cinderella, Alice (in Wonderland?) Aladdin, the Little Prince, Belle...of Beauty and the Beast maybe?  It's actually kind of fun...in a totally non-understandable way.


That sounds neat.

Are the lyrics written down? If so send me some and I'll translate for you if you want.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 08:37:11 PM
Definitely more Leslie Parrish pix.  That would pix me right up.

More Ty, too.  He's a tool-man, he probably has a pick, or two.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 08:39:03 PM
Am I raving?

If you are, let me know - - - I could use a great block party right about now. . .
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: S. Woody White on February 16, 2004, 08:39:29 PM
... presto!:  Mexican-style macaroni product with vegetarian refried beans, sour cream and salsa con queso.  It's quite tasty and since there is practically a VAT of it, it'll last a few days. ;D
DR George, you frighten me.

 :-\
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: George on February 16, 2004, 08:42:37 PM
Not overkill, but not exactly "I'd pay anything to see that" kind of payment, either.

Actually, td, I didn't say that I'd pay "anything" ... just that I'd pay. ::)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 08:49:01 PM
Someone's been at the cooking sherry again. . .i shan't name names. . .
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: MBarnum on February 16, 2004, 08:54:20 PM
Oh, you would like more Leslie Parrish would you BK! Well, I shall give you more Leslie Parrish!! (This lovely pic, by the way, is available right now on Ebay for a very inexpensive price!)

Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: MBarnum on February 16, 2004, 08:59:33 PM
DR Jose, I had a wonderful time at South Beach George's house. I had not yet been there, and I was quite impressed. His home is right on the cliff overlooking the beach, so that was, I must admit, rather romantic! Plus a hot tub overlooking the beach as well! Woohoo, I was in heaven! 2 hour drive down there, though! But only 1 1/2 hours back...because I didn't get lost on the return trip! LOL! Watch that first turn onto hwy. 34 near Philomath! LOL!

Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 09:02:34 PM
That's it?  One measly photo?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 09:03:51 PM
That's it?  One measly photo?
Shes doesn't look measly to me. . .are you sure it isn't the mumps?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 09:09:43 PM
I could use one of them little Japanese geishas to walk on my achin' back right about now.

In lieu of that - MORE LESLIE PARRISH!
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 09:12:37 PM
(http://mall.turnpike.net/~SABINE/pix/wjgret.jpg)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 09:13:53 PM
(http://www.chourave.ch/serials/comics/img12/abner/Abner01Big.JPG)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 09:14:40 PM
http://www.spookytoms.com/Leslie_Parrish_Tribute.html (http://www.spookytoms.com/Leslie_Parrish_Tribute.html)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 09:15:40 PM
(http://www.spookytoms.com/TL-LeslieParrish1.JPG)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 09:18:56 PM
Or, if you're in the mood for an interview with Leslie:

http://www.insight2000.com/richardbach.html
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 09:19:29 PM
Do five posts make a frenzy?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: S. Woody White on February 16, 2004, 09:22:33 PM
DR TD, the pic for The Invisible Strangler comes up completely grey on my monitor.

Am I to assume that the lovely Ms. Parrish played the title role?
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Noel on February 16, 2004, 09:26:02 PM
Politics, I feel very strongly about.  Some of your ideas frighten me.

If I were president, I'd see to it that more citizens had more freedoms.  This includes the freedom to marry whomever they want to (don't see why the government should be in the marriage business), and elect whomever they want to (guess you term limit people didn't like FDR).  I figure as long as we have a Department of Justice, there should also be a Department of Injustice, one that would help people who feel they've been treated unfairly.  My first foreign policy speech would ask the rest of the world to give us a blank slate, forget the past, look at our actions from now on.

Taxes should be as high as people can afford.  I can't afford to pay 10% of my income in taxes, because my income's so low.  I have a friend who's a multi-millionaire.  He could pay 3/4 of his income on taxes and still live in unbelievable luxury.  So your flat tax would hurt me and help him - and I'm the one who needs help!

Freedom also means education for all (though governments shouldn't promote God in school) and freedom from excessive medical costs.

And balance the budget, for crissakes.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 09:30:01 PM
DR TD, the pic for The Invisible Strangler comes up completely grey on my monitor.

Am I to assume that the lovely Ms. Parrish played the title role?

It comes up gray no matter how you look at it. . .it's gray on the site, it's gray here. . .ah, well . . .
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 09:36:55 PM
td the spooky toms link doesn't work.  FIX IT.  Other photos are nice, except the spider one - grody.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 09:37:49 PM
Your interview link doesn't work either - GET WITH IT
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jay on February 16, 2004, 09:39:20 PM
I have returned from the Springs of Palm, Dear Readers.  I had a lovely time.  The crowning moment of this mini-vacation was unexpectedly running into Dear Reader Laura, Dear Reader Sandra and Dear Reader Kerry at a concert on Saturday night.  This was the first I've met DR Kerry face to face, so it was an extra-special surprise.

The concert we attended was with Mr. Jason Graae and Miss Liz Callaway.  Both artists were excellent, natch, and they gave a great show.  They knew each other in college and genuinely seemed to be enjoying their time together on the stage.  Both were most gracious when we met them after the peformance.

I have just now perused all of BK's columns and all your wonderful unseemy posts that came up since I left for Palm Springs last Thursday.

I'm wiped and will be heading to slumberland presently.  I missed you while I was gone!
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 09:48:38 PM
Oh, and for those who are interested, I've put up a new column over at The DVD Place - http://dvds.allaccessworld.com
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 09:50:05 PM
GOT WITH IT!  Links are working fine now. . . .sorry for the confusion. . it seems I double pasted. . . .
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: S. Woody White on February 16, 2004, 09:52:54 PM
Everyone's settling in for the night, here in Rehoboth Beach.  Der Brucer and I spent much of the day unloading boxes that were filled with books and DVDs and CDs (not all of the collection yet!), deciding what to put where, and then loading some of the boxes all over again with books to be stored downstairs.

Yes, I'm putting all of the cookbooks in my room.  Der Brucer keeps shaking his head over that, but there really isn't room in the kitchen; that's filled with foodstuffs and cooking equipment.  Besides, my room is where I do most of my reading, so this arrangement makes sense.  

It would be nice if the DVD player was hooked up to the main television in the living room, Tom Swift hinted watchfully.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: td on February 16, 2004, 09:54:50 PM
Quote
The Shining and Full Metal Jacket we're composed for 1:85, the ratio in which they were projected.  


teeny, tiny typo.

I feel like pulling out my worn videotape of HUSH, HUSH SWEET CHARLOTTE. . .but, it's late here in the East. . .too late for Bette, Olivia, Mary and Agnes. . .:(
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Panni on February 16, 2004, 10:00:35 PM
Welcome back, DR Jay.

I've looked at all the Leslie Parrish pix. (Did I have a choice?) Now I want equal time for Montgomery Clift.

'Night, all.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 10:06:50 PM
DR MBarnum - So, I'm guessing there's a South Beach in Oregon too?  Otherwise, you made real good time - even if you did get lost! ;)  So... A hot tub... Did you remember you bathing suit?  :P  -Please feel free to respond to me privately.  ;)

DR SWW - Most of my cookbooks are in my bedroom too.  Just the most convenient place to have them.

Roommate update - He's currently re-cleaning the bathroom.  However, I did leave the Mr. Clean, Tilex and Comet out for him.  Hopefully, he'll just pick one, rather than using all three.  -No noxious fumes coming from the bathroom... yet.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: George on February 16, 2004, 10:08:47 PM
That sounds neat.

Are the lyrics written down? If so send me some and I'll translate for you if you want.

The inner sleeve has the complete lyrics.  I scanned and printed them.  E-mail your address to me and I'll send the lyrics.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: DearReaderLaura on February 16, 2004, 10:10:57 PM
Good evening, fellow Dear Readers.

That's all I have to say.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 10:12:53 PM
OH!  And as for Day One of the Diet - Not bad at all.  But I will say that I could tell my body did ask a few times, "Hey, what happened to the sugar?"

And I decided this time round to write my current weight on the small mirror on the back of my bedroom door.  Actually weight and body fat since I have that type of scale.  So, each Monday night, I will weigh myself and write down those figures on the mirror... And each day when I check myself before heading out, I will have a little reminder and a little motivation.

*And I'm using a fine point Sharpie.. not lipstick like is normally used on mirrors.  :-*
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 10:19:18 PM
OH, before I forget... again...

Welcome newest DR RLP!

And since I don't even think BK has asked by this point...(if you are so inclined)  How did you come across this site?  Where are you from? What do you do for a living?  Any pets?  Favorite film star?  (Frances Farmer is already taken ;)) Etc., etc., etc... In other words: Who are you?  (Ah, an Emily Dickinson reference..)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 16, 2004, 10:28:30 PM
OMG!!!  Now my roommate is actually vacuuming the hallway - and using the attachments!!!  Will wonders never cease!!!

-Guess he knows that he has a lot to make up for! ;)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 10:39:55 PM
Eggs.  I'm thinking eggs.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: S. Woody White on February 16, 2004, 10:52:14 PM
Not as in throwing, I hope!
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: S. Woody White on February 16, 2004, 10:55:45 PM
By the by, most esteemed BK, did you know that Joe Allen's has a website? (http://www.joeallenrestaurant.com/newyork/janymenu.htm)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Tomovoz on February 16, 2004, 11:21:18 PM
DR George, tried to post this a few hours back but my internet server terminated connections for a few hours - their problem not mine.
Enjoy ABRACADABRA.The following were released in the UK as singles:
1. "Belle" - Daniel Balavoine & Frida/C'est fini - Daniel Balavoine
2. "Time" - Frida & B A Robertson/"I Am A Seeker" - B A Robertson.
3. "Like An Image Passing By" - Elaine Paige/"When Dreamers Close Their Eyes" - Fiona Hughes.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Jed on February 16, 2004, 11:34:21 PM
Mexican-style macaroni product with vegetarian refried beans, sour cream and salsa con queso.  It's quite tasty and since there is practically a VAT of it, it'll last a few days. ;D

Now that is some fine bachelor cooking! :D
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: George on February 16, 2004, 11:37:43 PM
DR George, tried to post this a few hours back but my internet server terminated connections for a few hours - their problem not mine.
Enjoy ABRACADABRA.The following were released in the UK as singles:
1. "Belle" - Daniel Balavoine & Frida/C'est fini - Daniel Balavoine
2. "Time" - Frida & B A Robertson/"I Am A Seeker" - B A Robertson.
3. "Like An Image Passing By" - Elaine Paige/"When Dreamers Close Their Eyes" - Fiona Hughes.

Hope this helps.

Thanks!  I never knew.  I'll have to start searching eBay now...unless someone here at HHW has these. :)
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: Tomovoz on February 16, 2004, 11:41:19 PM
I know someone George - but then I talk to myself a lot.
Give me your address in a private message and you never know what may arrive.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: S. Woody White on February 16, 2004, 11:43:26 PM
Don't know if everyone's read this already, but there's an intesting interview with Terrance McNally (http://www.playbill.com/celebritybuzz/article/84321.html) over at Playbill.com.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 11:56:59 PM
Does he mention this here site?  If not, how interesting can it be.
Title: Re:PRESIDENT'S DAY
Post by: bk on February 16, 2004, 11:57:18 PM
Wow, page seven - who knew?