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Title: WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: bk on February 18, 2004, 12:03:53 AM
Well, you've read the ever-so-brief notes, you therefore must be rarin' to post, rarin' do you hear me?  Poppa, do you hear me?  Move over sun, you're gonna hear from me.  I hear music.  Do I hear a waltz?  Here, here, there is too much hear in this post.   8)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: S. Woody White on February 18, 2004, 12:12:11 AM
Dear DR PennyO: Two and a half hours to see you will be worth every minute.  I'm just hoping der Brucer can find good directions to the theater, to make sure we don't get lost!  

So you like red?  We'll see what we can do!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: S. Woody White on February 18, 2004, 12:15:10 AM
That brings up an interesting question for BK and the rest of the DRs:  How good are you at following directions, to get from place to place?  Do you need good maps, or can you find your way with reasonably sound instructions?  Are you better off with a navigator by your side, or would you rather the bloke kept his mouth shut?

Disaster stories on getting lost, and how you would avoid said disasters, would also be appreciated!   :D
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: bk on February 18, 2004, 12:16:31 AM
I'm pretty good with easy-to-understand directions.  I am not good with mapquest because they are so unclear it's not even funny.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: S. Woody White on February 18, 2004, 12:36:53 AM
Give me a good map, I can be a pretty decent navigator.  Der Brucer and I make a good driving team that way.  I can keep an eye out for road signs and traffic while he concentrates on what he does best, driving.  (We've had enough stories here about my own driving to last for a while, I think.  It was here he told those tales, I'm sure.)

I've found the trick with Mapquest is to get several different layers of maps, with more detailed prints at major turns.  It's not perfect, but it's better than no instructions at all.  (This is also where driver/navigator teams work better.)

One of the fun frustrations we've had here in Delaware is the lack of any real signage to get to certain places.  Sure, it was easy to find the DMV the second time we went there, but the first time was a real hassle.  For some reason, people don't post numbers on their buildings, which makes it difficult to find out where you are in relation to where you want to go.  And it's really fun when the directions tell you to take the second left past where Farmer Dell's Outhouse used to be (particularly in winter, when the greener grass can't be seen)!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 01:35:20 AM
I have a very nice recording of Brook Benton singing WALK ON THE WILD SIDE.

I don't like verbal directions, but give me good written directions or a good map and I can get anywhere.  

I also don't really mind occasionally getting lost...I find it an adventure.  It drives my wife crazy.  Particularly, if we're walking and I just want to explore a strange route.

BK & I had a wild and wooly adventure coming back from the bookfair a couple of weeks ago, trying to avoid freeway traffic...meeting up with police cordoned off main routes, rambling through strange subdivisions, getting on and off freeways and taking strange overpaths and cross-streets.  But we muddled through without too much wear and tear.

I would rather always be moving on strange, alternate routes than sitting going nowhere in traffic on a direct route.

I'm excellent on foot.  Within a day of being in London my very first time, I was giving directions to other tourists.  I have a very good sense of direction.

Though I did have a geezer moment coming home late one night from Costa Mesa.  I missed my turn to get headed back North on the freeway to LA, so I figured all I had to do was drive parallel along the freeway before I came to my next entry ramp, unfortunately, the ramp took me into John Wayne Airport, then I was on surface streets, suddenly not running parallel to the freeway, and got all muddled.  I knew I was vaguely heading North, but got turned around enough to find myself heading for Balboa Island at one point.  I eventually found signs for a recognizable freeway and got back on track, but for awhile there I felt like a little old man hunched over my steering-wheel in blithering daze.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 01:58:54 AM
To follow Mr Pogue's Post,  Brook Benton questions. Were you (are you) a fan of Brook Benton BK? If so, what are your favourite tracks. Of course that is so I can mention that mine are "The Ties that Bind", "Kiddio", "Rainy Night In Georgia" and of course "Walk On The Wild Side".  Did you like the recordings of Dinah Washington from that period as well?
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 02:06:18 AM
Directions: On our last trip to France, our navigater insisted on using a compass in the car. He kept looking at the map and the compass rather than looking at the signs. (He wasn't invited this year!) I prefer to look at the map before I start off and then I have a good idea first - if I make a wrong turn it is not a big deal. I am usually the driver - particularly when I have to drive on the "wrong" side of the road. The wrong side is the right side to me!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 18, 2004, 04:59:37 AM
Hey, Ben - it's just you and me.
Maybe we could sneak in a cyber kiss?

der Brucer  ::)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2004, 05:11:00 AM
Ah, but by the time I got to your post (I was reading the end of yesterday's notes), Mr. William F. Orr  entered the picture so now there are three (a kind of William Wyler reference if I had said These Three).

BTW, the aforementioned film will be on Turner Classic on Tuesday 03/30/2004 09:00 AM. Here is a short blurb direct from Turner.

Merle Oberon teamed up with two other Samuel Goldwyn stars, Joel McCrea and Miriam Hopkins, along with first-time Goldwyn director William Wyler to make the first film to demonstrate the legendary "Goldwyn Touch," These Three, in 1936. Although fans of The Children's Hour, the play on which it was based, may be amazed at the sanitizing of the legendary Broadway hit, the film version is in many ways more true to the spirit of the original than its more faithful 1961 remake
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2004, 05:13:04 AM
No questions for BK or readers yet.

We have friends from England coming today for an 8 hour layover. They took their grandson to Disney World and are flying out of Newark back to Nottingham. Their plane lands in Newark at 11:30 and they don't leave until 8pm so they will take a short side trip into NYC and we will have lunch and show them some sights and have a merry time.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2004, 05:14:26 AM
BTW, Kerry, LOVELY pictures of your sojourn to Graae/Callaway land. Thanks for posting them.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: PennyO on February 18, 2004, 05:56:42 AM
Getting from place to place:

They don't call me "WRONG-WAY" for nothin'! I always leave lots and lots of extra time for getting lost, going miles out of my way in the wrong direction, and stuff like that. Sometimes I make the trip a day ahead, just to get my bearings, before i have to meet someone at an appointed time.

Direction means absolutely nothing to me. "North" always means "straight ahead" to me (or sometimes, inexplicably, a right turn), since that's where it is on - oh, God, no! - a map, you should forgive the expression. Nope, not good with maps. Seems like, for all my linear-sequential brilliance, when they were handing out the spatial stuff, I was out in the boondocks somewhere, lost, and miles from anywhere.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2004, 06:03:09 AM
On the island of Manhattan I have a good sense of direction and I can get around very easily because it's simple to tell north, south, east and west and the city (for the most part, ignore that Greenwich Village area and lower Manhattan and some of that upper part too) is laid out on a grid. Streets run east and west and avenues run north and south. I'm OK in other parts of the world, but I do like to look at a map if I'm not sure. When I went back to London I had to look at the neighborhood maps posted in the Tube stations so we could figure out which way to go once we left the station. Once I know which way I'm going, though, it sticks in my mind and I remember it for years, like a homing pigeon. My first time in London was Christmas of 1984. We stayed in an apartment off of Sloane Square in Chelsea. I hadn't been there in 19 years but when we went back this Christmas, I was able to find the apartment with no problem.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: PennyO on February 18, 2004, 06:03:22 AM
Woods and Brucer:

Here are directions I just found in my Bristol Riverside Theatre Hospitality Handbook -- YES! they have one of those for all artists.

I imagine y'all are coming from the south? Anyhow, here is one of 5 sets of directions:

From Philadelphia and South Jersey Bridges via I-95N:
Take I-95 north from Philly to the Bristol exit (#40). Make a right turn onto Rt. 413 S. For about 2 miles, follow under the big stone railroad bridge. Stay in the left lane and go straight through the intersection. Immediately bear right at the fork with the flashing yellow lights. The next traffic light is Mill Street, the main shopping street in town. Make a right onto Mill Street, and follow 4 blocks, and make a left onto Radcliffe Street. Theater is on the right at the end of the block.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Matt H. on February 18, 2004, 06:05:56 AM
I have an absolutely miserable sense of direction. I can follow details to the letter if they're well written, but if there's any vagueness about them, you can bet I'll be lost.

I did the musical COMPANY in a city I was completely unfamiliar with, but I had been shown how to get from my house to the theater in this city, and that's all I knew how to do. One night, after rehearsal as I was heading home, I had my mind on the show, and I took one wrong turn. Well, that instituted a 30 minute sojourn through this alien city trying to find my way back to any road that looked familiar. Finally, in desperation, I stopped at a convenience store and asked how to get back to the interstate. I could NOT have been more lost.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2004, 06:23:12 AM
After you've listened to our own Donald and Noel show, head over to BBC 3 and listen to Stage and Screen. Here is the program for this week

"Edward Seckerson introduces two new Broadway shows: "Wicked" and "The Boy from Oz" plus an interview with the veteran lyricist Betty Comden and a taste of Stephen Sondheim's latest musical, "Bounce".

And here's the link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/classical/stagescreen.shtml
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 18, 2004, 06:27:24 AM
Well, SWW should be pleased when he arouses:

View out the front door:

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/2995020/46103249.jpg)

der Brucer (stay tuned, more to come; following the BK dictum "Only one picture per post %$#@")
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 18, 2004, 06:31:01 AM
A View from the bridge (Dining Room window overlooking back yard, 16 feet below):

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/2995020/46103288.jpg)

der Brucer (don't go 'way)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 18, 2004, 06:32:37 AM
View from the Kitchen stoop!

(http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL242/891350/2995020/46103293.jpg)
der Brucer (sometimes 3" is enough!)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: William E. Lurie on February 18, 2004, 06:34:38 AM
This is a question for BK and all DRs:

Do you think the movie rating system works the way it was meant to?  For example, a G rating is supposed to mean nothing objectionable for children but it is taken to mean a movie meant for children.  In the first year of the ratings, "A Man For All Seasons" was given a G.  While there is nothing of harm for a child in that excellent film, there is also nothing of interest.  Producers will do anything to avoid a G (adding the word "damn" to "Annie" for example) since moviegoers over the age of about 8 or 9 will not go to a G film.  And now, newspaper ads list such things as "sex" or "violence" with PG-13 or R ratings to try and attract moviegoers who are interested in that sort of thing.  Meanwhile an intelligent film with these sort of things to further the plot --- not for exploitation --- such as "Kids" a few years ago get stuck with an NC-17 which means many theatres will not show them and many newspapers will not accept advertisements for them.

I'm curious about other people's opinion  of this.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jennifer on February 18, 2004, 07:06:37 AM
DR Charles Pogue wrote about last night's AMERICAN IDOL (snipped a bit):

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Matt H., I too am rooting for the footballer who, by comparison to the mediocrities and downright awful singers they had on tonight, was certainly among the top two or three.  


I never liked the football player and didn't care for him last night. But it was unfortunate he went first. Because if he had gone last, he would have gotten better comments.

When the judges said the last girl (the brunette) was one of the top 3, they clearly meant: red-head, brunette and hawaiian girl.

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Jennifer, I'm mystified why you were pleased by the Hawaiian girl and also why the judges were so relatively kind to her.
 

I don't recall ever having seen her in the Hollywood shows. I vaguely remember her original audition.

I just liked her personality. I thought she was sweet and I liked her sound. And after hearing the others, I found I actually really enjoyed her performance.

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Oh, and to the girl in the blue top, bad attitude and the one thing a professional never does is make excuses!  That sinus infection whine won't wash.  Very bad form.

I disagree. I'm not saying she had a good attitude. But if someone is very sick. I like to know that.

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I think it's the football player and red-head and maybe the last girl who I found singularly unspectacular, though the judges seemed to tacitly endorse the Hawaiian, but I'm not sure why.  What is this special vocal quality of hers they're talking about?  I didn't hear it.

It's hard to say who the people will vote in. But I feel that the judges carry enormous weight with what they say.  They loved Hawaii girl. And I'm betting that will be enough to get her in.  I think it will be her and red-head.

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Boy, were the brothers ever bad...neither could carry a tune in a bushel basket.  


I thought their original auditions were good. But after seeing them both forget all their words in Hollywood, I was shocked they weren't cut.  And last night they were both terrible. I'm just glad we won't have to see them again.

This grouping has made it easier for others like Scooter Girl (and people from last week's grouping) to get through. Because NONE of the 8 from last night will go to the Wild Card show.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Matthew on February 18, 2004, 07:06:40 AM
I'd like to think I have a keen sense of direction.  Yahoo maps sorta work for me, but they have been known to be wrong.  Once I've been somewhere, most likely I won't need a map to get there again, strange memory that way.  WEL - the I agree with you on the movie rating system, and it still boggles my mind that material that has been traditionally geared to children (like Dr. Seuss) can be made into movies with a rating other than a G.  

Disney just bought the muppets and the Bear in the Big Blue House (that's the bear to your left) francise!!!  One move I totally agree with, Bear needs more publicity, SOOOOO much better than that purple dinosaur for our kids.   Go Bear!!!!  
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: MBarnum on February 18, 2004, 07:14:50 AM
BK, I am very excited about this new Ron Stein CD! I love the NOT OF THIS EARTH CD, and his juvenile delinquent film scores are great! Are you going to have that crazy nightclub number from GIRLS IN PRISON (which stars Diana Darrin and Laurie Mitchell)? What about REFORM SCHOOL GIRL, SORORITY GIRL (starring June Kenney!), DIARY OF A HIGH SCHOOL BRIDE, THE GIRL IN LOVERS LANE...oh wow...so many fun movie scores! I am looking quite forward!

Hey, if you need stills for illustration purposes just holler...I have tons from these films!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2004, 07:15:03 AM
We were scheduled to get some snow but we got nothing (not that I'm complaining). What a difference a couple of hundred miles makes ;-)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: William F. Orr on February 18, 2004, 07:35:12 AM
I spent my high-school years in Denver, where navigation is easy, because the mountains are always to the west--imagine the confusion if I had moved to the other side of the Rockies!

Joe drives, I navigate.  I'm pretty good with maps, but I have found mapquest to be a god-send, because it pinpoints the right area of the map better than searching through twenty little streets on the H-31 grid.

I don't use mapquest's Driving Instructions, mind you.  They always tell me the worst possible way just to leave my house.  But the maps are generally good--except the few cases where a street has different parts in different areas.  Or if I misspell the name of a Long Island town and they guess and send me to Wyoming.

I'm off to visit Joe in the Bastille in a few minutes.

Here is your François Villon picture for today, making nice with Katherine de Vausselles.  (or de Vausseaux, if you don't mind a French joke)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: William F. Orr on February 18, 2004, 07:36:32 AM
Well, here it is:
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Post by: Matt H. on February 18, 2004, 07:37:18 AM
I was mystified by the judges' enthusiasm for the Hawaiian girl as she was clearly very nervous and despite one of them saying she sang all the notes, she was clearly off key for some of it. I understand from others who voted for her that her line was busy for much of the night, so I suspect she will go through. I think competing with better singers will finish her, though Kelly Clarkson got better and better as the competition progressed the first year. I think the judges, who said they saw potential, are anticipating the same thing for her.

But what one has the potential to do and what one does is another discussion. Based on her performance last night, I would never put her as the best three singers of last night.

As for the discussion of the girl's illness, what's to say she wasn't making it up as an excuse? Better to know in your own mind and heart if you're not well and not mention it, I think.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 18, 2004, 07:38:56 AM
The wrong side is the right side to me!

The story of my life.

BTW, since you enjoy giving folks the bird our fine feathered friends, the local brouhaha in Rehoboth might be of interest: a local lake is being befouled (no pun intended) by Canadian Geese feces. Well, the City Council's solution - shoot the damn birds - has met with some uproar!

The reportage in the local press is a bit questionable. They report that adult geese eat four pounds of food and create two pounds of fecal matter daily. They also report that the average gander lays 3-12 eggs per year.

My first question is, where does the other two pounds go? If we assume that a goose poops 2 pounds and pees 1.5 pounds per day, that leaves .5 pound left over. So in one year the goose gains 180+ lbs???

My second question deals with ganders laying eggs - now even us city boys know a gander is a guy, and the gals lay the eggs! I am aware that sexing a goose is difficult and frankly disgusting (see University of Nebraka (http://ianrpubs.unl.edu/Poultry/g711.htm) article:

it says "Then insert your index finger into..." - I'll let you read it!

Anyway some alternatives have been offered (courtesy of an organization called GeesePeace):

Hire GeeseChasers LLC who will (for $5000-$50,000 a year) provide you with specially trained boarder (sic) collie who will mimic an Artic fox and chase the geese away. This procedure is aiding if the community practices goose-egg addling (painting the eggs with oil so they don't hatch). Now again, I'm just a city boy, but I hear tell that if a gander catches you fooling around the family nest you'll get a first hand experience of what a real "goosing" feels like.

Then there is a company called FlightControl that paints the grass with Anthraquinone, which makes the grass look funny to the geese and gives them indigestion if they eat it.

The most vociferous of the anti-goose killing crowd is the Chairperson of the local Historic Lewes Cat Society. Strange - cat people defending birds- hooda thunk!

der Brucer (who would rather read about goose control that about the regular Cambodian vs. Mexican gang wars from his last home town)




Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Matt H. on February 18, 2004, 07:41:15 AM
I despise the MPAA rating system. As WEL said, G ratings which used to mean one thing clearly have come to mean something else now (SWEET CHARITY also garnered a 'G' in its original release.) The old 'X' and now NC-17 have taken on the interpretation of porn rather than simply adult fare, but try to get theaters to book or newspapers to accept advertising for NC-17 films. Totally unfair and makes the ratings system a joke.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 18, 2004, 07:44:57 AM
...GIRLS IN PRISON ...REFORM SCHOOL GIRL ... SORORITY GIRL ...DIARY OF A HIGH SCHOOL BRIDE ... THE GIRL IN LOVERS LANE...

And just what do you dream about?

der always-curious Brucer
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2004, 07:47:05 AM
One would have thought that movies made in the 30s and 40s during the code period would all be rated G but it's interesting to see on Turner Classic when they post the rating that many of those older films have a PG rating. Funny how things go.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Panni on February 18, 2004, 07:52:08 AM
Good morning. Have to hurry because I still need to take a walk, then have a dental appointment (just a check-up, cleaning - nothing horrible - I hope). It's a new dentist for me, so I need to check her out, make sure she's the one I want. So it's a check-up for her, too.

Directions; I have a pretty good sense of direction. Once I've been somewhere I can easily find it again. And if I'm given clear directions the first time, no problem. And like FS Pogue, I can find my way around a new city pretty quickly (except LA - and LA isn't a city - it's many small cities).
My big problem is that I have terrible night vision. So if I have to drive somewhere I've never been before after dark, it's pretty difficult for me. Even coming back is difficult. I've had hairy adventures wandering around in the car at night not knowing where the hell I was.
And yes, WFO, when I lived in Boulder (near Denver) the mountains always loomed to the west, so it was almost impossible to get lost, day or night.
I find that having moved back to LA after being away so long, there are certain places that have stuck in my head in the wrong location. Like Santa Monica! I was convinced until yesterday that it was totally in the opposite direction from where it actually is. Don't ask me why.

Okay, off for a walk, then dentist.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: William E. Lurie on February 18, 2004, 07:53:11 AM
Ben - I think the ratings on television are not the same as the MPAA ratings.  To my knowledge, the only pre-MPAA movies with official ratings are ones that were either re-released or whose producers specifically requested a rating.  I think the Turner ratings fall more into the age groups who would be interested in the film... which might not be a bad idea for the MPAA to try.  (I may be wrong or partially wrong on this, but it seems to me this is what I had heard)
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Post by: Panni on February 18, 2004, 07:54:18 AM
Oh - lovely photos, DerBrucer.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on February 18, 2004, 08:02:03 AM
I think Canada geese are among God's most beautiful creations. We have a few flocks that come to escape the winter weather.

Here is one of my favorite pictures.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2004, 08:06:34 AM
Great picture DRLaura. It looks like it's talking to you!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: JMK on February 18, 2004, 08:10:11 AM
Mapquest is unintentionally (one hopes) funny from time to time--case in point:  I once on a lark (not an easy task) entered an address just up the street from my house.  It would take me maybe 5 minutes to drive there.  Mapquest instead had me go about 7 miles out of my way on roundabout side streets.

We also used Mapquest to find a friend's home in Seattle a couple of years ago.  Mapquest had us crossing 4 lane highways, etc. over and over.  Once we got there, we discovered we could have just stayed on one of the 4 lane highways and taken one turn to get to the house.

I have a fairly unerring sense of direction.  Our new(er) car has a GPS system, and I discovered the other day when taking my younger son to a playdate that the GPS system was thrown off when in the proximity of the large radio towers that adorn Portland's west hills.  For some reason the GPS starting showing the exact opposite of the direction we were travelling.  It was most disconcerting.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2004, 08:13:46 AM
The summer I spent in Europe in 1988 included a month in London in the area around Hyde Park and Paddington Station. After dinner we would often go into Hyde Park and feed the ducks, the squirrels and the geese. What fun!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 18, 2004, 08:23:01 AM
I'm afraid I'm the only person I know who does this sort of thing:  When I'm given directions to a place for a specific event/date/time, I do a test run on getting there.  If the directions are in any way misleading or confusing, I get a clarification and try again.  If I find a place in spite of confusing directions, I notify the person who gave me the directions about the critical "missing" or "confusing" information so he/she can let others know.

In my experience, it is much more common for folks to forget about a traffic light, a second or third cross street, or a choice of "bear left or bear right."  That's why I do a trial run.  It serves me well.

"American Idol" -- football guy was surely one of the two best singers last night.  It wasn't even close, IMO.  Hawaii girl was awful -- weak, timid, off-pitch.  That said, it should also be said that NONE of them deserved to move on to the next round. I think the judges remember something special about Hawaii girl's first audition and were encouraging her to return to that style.  But based on last night's performance, she ought to do it in a different venue.

And is anyone else "over" Ryan Seacrest?  I think his 15 minutes should have been up when he hosted "American Idol Juniors" last summer.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: JMK on February 18, 2004, 08:25:40 AM
"And is anyone else "over" Ryan Seacrest?  I think his 15 minutes should have been up when he hosted "American Idol Juniors" last summer.

I don't know if it's simply due to his overexposure, but I have just begun noticing that his face is assymetrical--especially his nose.  He has the Mark-Hamill-after-the-motorcycle-accident "look" if you ask me.   :P
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: bk on February 18, 2004, 08:32:05 AM
I do like Brook Benton, especially Rainy Night in Georgia and Walk on the Wild Side (and the other song he sings in the film, whose name I can't remember) and I liked Dinah Washington, too.

The movie rating system has never really worked in the way it was intended to.  It's arbitrary, inconsistent, and based on the whims of a small group of people whose moods change from day to day.  There should be no shame in a G rating and no shame in an NC17 rating.  There should be a separate rating for movies solely intended for children, perhaps a C rating.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: George on February 18, 2004, 08:45:11 AM
Several months ago on "Ebert and "Roeper," they talked about how unfair the rating system is.  Roger Ebert gave the example of "Whale Rider" which got a PG-13 rating (and thereby cutting off its intended audience) just because they have a single shot of "drug paraphernalia" and a couple of naughty words, but that some other "main stream, major studio" movies have much, much more violence and language, and they also get PG-13 ratings.

As for maps, if I can write down verbal directions, I can follow them fairly well...I just can't remember them if I don't write them down.  I can also follow a map, but if you ask me which way is north without any kind of map-like reference, I have no klew.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2004, 08:49:26 AM
I love Dinah Washington!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Donna on February 18, 2004, 08:52:09 AM
Directions: I live in L.A. and need all the help I can get! I have a compass that my Dad installed on the top of my dashboard. I have many paper maps devoted to specific regions. I have the Thomas Guide. AND I go to MapQuest and print out what I need (both going and returning). Until recently, MQ used to have the Avoid Highways option. Since I prefer, whenever possible, not to drive freeways, this was the option I chose most frequently. Now, I'm "up a creek," so to speak. Ah well, time to use my other resources.

My father has an incredible sense of direction. He can literally find a needle in a haystack. On the other hand, when he is momentarily lost, he--like a lot of other men--refuses to stop and ask for directions! Oy.

Movie ratings: I find them, for the most part, helpful. I wish I had looked at the rating for "The Big Lewbowski" before I suffered through it. Every other word was the F-word! The rating? R - For LANGUAGE! Oy.

P.S. Off topic somewhat: I wish someone, besides the Coen's, would give Steve Buscemi a chance at some normal roles (if you know what I mean).






Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: DearReaderLaura on February 18, 2004, 08:58:42 AM
Thank you, DR Ben. In fact, he WAS talking to me. He was saying "FEED ME!"
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jay on February 18, 2004, 09:52:41 AM
Responding to a question from last night:  The cast for the upcoming 110 in the Shade in Pasadena has not yet been announced.

As for the movie rating system, I believe it is absurd how films get rated for sexual content vs. violent content.  

On the other hand, I do believe there has been a breakthrough in the "NC-17" rating.  The Dreamers was released by Fox Searchlight with that rating, and there appears to have been little resistance from the theatres showing the film and the newspapers advertising it.  Perhaps directors will no longer be forced to cut their films to fit into an "R" rating.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: William E. Lurie on February 18, 2004, 09:55:19 AM
According to Michael Reidel (not always the most accurate source) Barbara Barrie Harnick was fired from the FIDDLER revisal because she was too sophisticated.  Is it true that the LA Times wrote an early review of the show and said it wasn't Jewish enough?
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jrand73 on February 18, 2004, 09:56:07 AM
Lovely notes....lovely late night posts yesterday.

Yes MBARNUM and I are looking SO forward to the new CD!  

My question for ASK BK day - did you watch the films that Stein scored?  And if so, what did you think of Anna Sten in RUNAWAY DAUGHTERS?   :P

I liked written directions and I use Yahoo-MapQuest a lot which I find to be fairly accurate.  

Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jay on February 18, 2004, 10:02:23 AM
Is it true that the LA Times wrote an early review of Fiddler on the Roof and said it wasn't Jewish enough?

The gist of the article was that Jewish audiences have become too assimilated to appreciate the work the way audiences 40 years ago did.  It is a weak argument, IMHO, inasmuch we Jews are notorious for "never forgetting."  The other day, Dear Reader Panni also pointed out how the author of the article mistakenly confused nationality with religion.

Here's a link to the article:

http://www.calendarlive.com/stage/cl-ca-rosenbaum15feb15,2,3804438.story?coll=cl-stage-features (http://www.calendarlive.com/stage/cl-ca-rosenbaum15feb15,2,3804438.story?coll=cl-stage-features)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jennifer on February 18, 2004, 10:06:35 AM
Re: American Idol

I think it will be very interesting to hear what the judges say tonight.  Sometimes when they watch it on tv, they see different things (like if someone is off-pitch or whatever).

I will also be curious to see if the audience listens to the judges. I know football guy was fairly popular. And they showed him in the auditions.  Yet somehow I think that the judges negative comments will hurt his chances.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: TCB on February 18, 2004, 10:08:38 AM
Good morning one and all!  Happy Wednesday.  I have given up on calling it Hump Day, since it has been so long.  Last night I watched the DVD of Abbott and Costello’s Hold That Ghost, part of the new A & C set of 8 films that I purchased yesterday on a whim.  I have always loved A & C.  They are my all-time favorite comedy team, next to, probably, Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley.

Hold That Ghost always been a bit of a disappointment to me, when I see it, because the title is so misleading.  Unlike later films that included Dracula, Jekyll and Hyde, and Frankenstein’s monster, among others, there is nothing supernatural in this film.  The closest we get to ghosts is one of the murderers who hides underneath a sheet in several scenes.  Still any movie with Joan Davis, Richard Carlson, and Shemp Howard. along with Bud and Lou, can’t be all bad.  I laughed out loud at several parts of the films, but, it is definitely not one of A & C’s best features.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jennifer on February 18, 2004, 10:16:01 AM
Re: directions

I'm pretty good at following maps.  For some reason when I need to go somewhere I just find it on a map and locate the best route myself. I've only once used  mapquest (or the equivalent). And that was because my aunt was travelling with me and she printed it off the internet.

I will say this though. Sometimes in Montreal I feel like you need to be a genius.  You basically have to just know which highway and direction you want, and keep that in your head, while they have you turning what seems like in circles.

Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: William E. Lurie on February 18, 2004, 10:23:29 AM
Jay - Thanks for the info on the LA Times FIDDLER item.  I tried to read the item but I had register for the 14 day free trial to read the article and they would not let me register without giving a credit card number for a FREE trial.  So I guess I won't be able to read it, but thanks for trying.

Shirley Jones (in the Tammy Grimes role) and her son Patrick Cassidy (in the Jerry Orbach role) are joining the 42nd STREET revisal for 4 months starting in April.  Interesting casting, but for once I think that stunt casting has actually hit it right.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 18, 2004, 10:34:06 AM
..but if you ask me which way is north ...

As any 7th grader can tell you, North is up!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jay on February 18, 2004, 10:44:46 AM
Check your e-mail, Dear Reader William E. Lurie.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 18, 2004, 10:47:57 AM
Good afternoon!

I would have been here for "Good Morning!", but I actually slept in until Noon - well, when I looked at my clock radio it said "11:59".  So...

I can't believe I slept so long.  And actually relatively well.  So, it's not a total bust... And since I have absolutely nothing on my schedule for today...  (Of course, there are some things I should get done today, but... -The joys of "vacation".)

Directions: I'm pretty good with directions overall.  Maps are good.  Written directions are good.  Verbal directions are good.  My big thing are landmarks.  Give me stores, gas stations, weird billboards to keep an eye out for anytime.  Yes, I do get lost from time to time, but like DR Pogue, I like the adventure aspect. Of course, if I happen to get lost while I'm already running late, that's a totally different story.  I've found Mapquest works best for trips over 20 miles - or at least any trip where you have to get on a highway - at least in the DC/NoVA area.  Otherwise, to get up the street will require a trip around the block sometimes.

In other news....

Last night's "American Idol" - *I still need to catch up on last night's late night posts, so...  The big culprit was bad song choice.  Why pick a smooth jazz song?  Why pick an easy listening song?  Why pick a "slow groove"?  It appears the contestants were trying too much to show a different side of them rather than showing the judges who they really are.  -Which the judges commented on.  Also, since this is the third season of AI, don't these "kids" know what it takes to impress the judges by now?  To impress the public?  Haven't they been watching the show?!?!

Which brings up an interesting question or two:  How much say do the show's vocal coaches (and the producers) have in the selection of the material?  And are the contestants restricted in choice of material due to the fact that they may not - or can not-? - repeat material from previous seasons?

OK - Well, I need to catch up on the posts from last night... and my back lower back is also acting up a little bit now - ???  Time for the Advil!

Ciao for niao...
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: William E. Lurie on February 18, 2004, 11:06:55 AM
Jay---
Thanks.  I am at work and the e-mail address I use on HHW is the home address so I now have something to look forward to besides spam in my e-mail when I get home.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 18, 2004, 11:32:55 AM
Does the greeting at the top of the page (underneath the date and time) always say, "Good evening...."?
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 18, 2004, 11:38:05 AM
OOOHHH!!!!!

How could I have forgotten?!?!?!!

Thank you, DR Jed, for mentioning Violet yesterday.  I truly love that show.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 18, 2004, 11:40:51 AM
Does the greeting at the top of the page (underneath the date and time) always say, "Good evening...."?

Actually, for me, it currently says, "Good afternoon"...But it does change through out the day according to the time of day.  You may need to check your "local time" setting here on HHW, which I believe is part of your "Edit Profile" settings.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2004, 11:44:56 AM
Not for me. It says Good Afternoon right now at 2:44pm EST
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: S. Woody White on February 18, 2004, 11:47:22 AM
My father used to love "taking shortcuts" back when I was growing up.  Somehow we'd get up into the Hollywood hills and meander all over the place.  The only uncomfortable part of these adventures was that many of them would take place in his Karman Ghia (the car, not the character), with Mom in the passenger seat and myself in the back.  Of course, I'm nearly as tall as Dad, which made for a lot of time spent bent over in two.  Very ouch.

The only city I've had trouble figuring out which way north was located was Seattle.  I was there for a softball tournament, and it rained the entire time.  If this had happened in, say, Dallas (and it did), then everyone would have waited for the skies to clear, but Seattle is far more sensible: we played in the rain.  (Players didn't just slide into second base, they hydroplaned right over it!)  Well, as a result of the clouded over skies, I never got a bearing on which way was north until well after our visit.  I'd had everything turned completely around, putting the Space Needle up at the top of my mental map.

(By the way, the food at the Space Needle was overpriced for what it was.  But it was nice, in a tourist-trap kind of way.)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: MBarnum on February 18, 2004, 11:50:58 AM
My ask BK question is similar to JRands question. Also want to know if you watched the Ronald Stein scored movies and if so did you see REFORM SCHOOL GIRL? That is one of my all time favorite 1950s juvenile delinquent films. With a tag-line like "You'll know the worst about every woman, when you see REFORM SCHOOL GIRL!"it's gotta be entertaining!

TCB, am glad you picked up the Abbott and Costello DVD set. Fun! I am enjoying there movies so much! Can't wait to see PARDON MY SARONG, which is one that I have never seen before!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jennifer on February 18, 2004, 11:51:17 AM
For me it says it's 11:47am yet it says good evening.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: MBarnum on February 18, 2004, 11:51:58 AM
By the way TCB, are you going to get the Ma and Pa Kettle or the Francis the Talking Mule DVD sets?
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: TCB on February 18, 2004, 11:52:57 AM
One of my co-workers, who is always a real sweetheart (Australian, of course), brought me a present today.  She brought an original dinner menu from the ocean liner Andrea Doria.  The menu is from May of 1955, approximately one year before the Andrea Doria collided with the cruise ship Stockholm and sank off the coast of Nantucket. Today is not a special occasion, or my birthday, she just knew that I was fascinated with ocean liners and various ship disasters, and she had a couple of menus that had been saved by her family.  Isn’t that cool???
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 18, 2004, 11:53:50 AM
Yeah, it's got the time right...11:54 a.m., but it still says "Good Evening..."

Funny that!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: S. Woody White on February 18, 2004, 11:54:31 AM
I'm not sure what bothers me more, that the MPAA ratings are used to define what is "dirty" as opposed to what is for mature audiences, or that the parents who should be paying attention to the ratings don't bother.  There's been many a time when der Brucer and I have gone to the theater for an R rated film, and found parents bringing in their tots to what is clearly not intended for that age group.  

Worse was the time I was in a bookstore, shortly after Batman Returns was released.  A mother was scolding her four-year-old son for pointing at a bit of Batman merchandise, telling him "No no!, that's the bad Batman.  We don't want anything to do with the bad Batman like last time."

Like last time?  The film was clearly labled PG-13.  Hadn't she bothered to check the reason why it had received that rating?  Or was she expecting something starring Adam West?  And, of course, rather than admit that she had made an inappropriate choice, she blamed the film.

Do I sound like I wasn't impressed?  Because I sure wasn't.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: S. Woody White on February 18, 2004, 11:57:07 AM
One of my co-workers, who is always a real sweetheart (Australian, of course), brought me a present today.  She brought an original dinner menu from the ocean liner Andrea Doria.  The menu is from May of 1955, approximately one year before the Andrea Doria collided with the cruise ship Stockholm and sank off the coast of Nantucket. Today is not a special occasion, or my birthday, she just knew that I was fascinated with ocean liners and various ship disasters, and she had a couple of menus that had been saved by her family.  Isn’t that cool???
That's beyond cool, TCB!  That's Far Out!

What's on the menu?  (When you get a chance, no rush.  And virtual karma!)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jane on February 18, 2004, 12:00:31 PM
Tomovoz are you coming my way in the Fall of 2005? :)

Kerry thank you for the lovely photos, especially the one of you, Sandra and Jay.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 12:07:08 PM
DR Jane: Colin and I had hoped to vist the USA this year on our return from France but have decided (for a few $ reasons) to wait until next year and visit the West Coast (maybe fly to NYC as well). At this stage we are thinking of flying to Vancouver and then heading South and visiting some of those glorious parks. I think we will go at least as far as San Francisco. Maybe we will also take a short tour to the Grand Canyon. We are certainly hoping to meet up with a few Hainsies on our travels.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: DearReaderLaura on February 18, 2004, 12:08:08 PM
That is a really swell gift, TCB. Isn't it great to have friends who just know you so well??
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2004, 12:09:38 PM
Tom, although we would love to see you in NYC, if you've never been to the Grand Canyon, you must see it. I found it amazing.

Give France a big hug for me (I'm an Anglo and Francophile all rolled into one). Also a kiss to late, lamented DR Francois!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jane on February 18, 2004, 12:10:54 PM
That brings up an interesting question for BK and the rest of the DRs:  How good are you at following directions, to get from place to place?  Do you need good maps, or can you find your way with reasonably sound instructions?  Are you better off with a navigator by your side, or would you rather the bloke kept his mouth shut?

Disaster stories on getting lost, and how you would avoid said disasters, would also be appreciated!   :D

I’m terrible at following directions and I can’t read in a moving car without getting sick so I don’t read maps-the print is too small anyway.

I have too many disaster stories.  Anyone who has ever gone the wrong way or missed their exit on the New Jersey Turnpike has a disaster story.  I swear-once on the New Jersey or some areas of the Pennsylvania freeways you can’t get off.  I made a few illegal turns (meaning, I crossed the divider illegally) after an endless amount of time without finding another exit.

Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: bk on February 18, 2004, 12:13:21 PM
Jrand and MBarnun: I was only given the music, and have never seen any of the films.  I do think it will be a fun CD.  The fellow who's putting it out said sometime this summer.

Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: MBarnum on February 18, 2004, 12:15:25 PM
Well, TomovOz, you must visit the pacific northwest as there are a slew of HHWers up here in Oregon and Washington! Maybe that would be a good time for a HHW get together in Portland!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 12:16:22 PM
Sorry, Jennifer, but making excuses for a bad performance, sick or not, is the height of amateurism.  I get so turned off by it, in auditions particularly.  You're supposed to be a professional; unless you're at death's door, the show must go on...People paid their money you're supposed to give them a performance, not an apology or an excuse.  As Simon said last night, if they audience had paid to be there last night, they would have been cheated.  If you're sick, if your performance was less than stellar because of it, keep it to yourself...nobody cares.  I've gone out on stage before suffering colds, croaking with laryngitis...It doesn't matter.  One of my most treasured theatrical memories was a school play outing, going to see Margaret O'Brien all grown up in
BAREFOOT IN THE PARK.  It was obvious that the lady was suffering from a dreadful head cold, but she was out there onstage valiantly giving the audience the best performance she could muster under the circumstances.

My feeling is if you're too sick, don't perform; but if you're sick and you decide to perform, don't make excuses for your performances.  Like John Wayne says in THE SEARCHERS:  "Never apologize, mister, it's a sign of weakness."  Of course, the girl last night wasn't even apologizing, she was just whining and feeling sorry for herself. Well, boo-hoo-hoo...

Ben, thanks for the Radio 3 link; it's now bookmarked with my favourites.  I love the "listen again" feature on BBC, so you can hear these shows anytime you want.

Hyde Park's nice, but I'm a St. James Park, man, myself.  A little smaller and just prettier what with Buckingham Palace in the background and the Horse Guard trooping by occasionally.  Of course, it has always been the one I've been situated closest to.  When I was first there in '82, doing my Sherlock films, they initially put me up in the Duke's Hotel, right between Picadilly and the Pall Mall.  Then moved me over to a tower apartment on Buckingham Gate and Victoria.  I could view the St. James Park and see the changing of the Guard at the Palace from my window.  And every late night you'd hear the comforting sounds of the mounted police's horse clip-clopping on the cobblestone street below.

The lovely wife has an almost daily ritual of going to St. James to feed the ducks and squirrels.  The squirrels, particularly.  She's even gotten to know a couple of delightful old geezers who are expert squirrel-feeders and from them has learned the tricks of the trade as to what feed to get and how to get them to crawl right up your arm for it (the squirrels, not the geezers).  We have more pictures of us, sitting on park benches with squirrels perched beside us or on our shoulders, eating nuts out of our hands.  And, unlike LA squirrels, there's no possiblility of rabies.

We did take our skates one trip though and went roller-skating in Hyde Park along the Serpentine. Very nice.

RLP...you're not the only one who has done a trial run to figure out how to get someplace.  I've been known to do it, especially when I know I'm going to have car full of people and concentration might be distracted.  

I also agree with your comments on American Idol...footballer, even though not his best performances, was still heads and shoulders above most, if not all, last night.  He was assured and confident and hit his notes.  He just should have picked a better song.  And, as I've said, Hawaiian girl a mystery...not a good performance.

I love both Brook Benton and Dinah Washington and love their two duets together, Baby, You've Got What It Takes and That's a Rocking Good Way where Brook goofs up and Dinah chastises him on the record.  They were supposed to do a whole album together, but Dinah, who apparently was something of a crotchedy diva, was really pissed at Brook when he came in at the wrong spot and didn't have much tolerance for him and Brook was intimidated and didn't like being read the riot act  by her.  So I think on the album, they only sing four songs together and the rest are solos by one or the other.  It is a disappointing album and it's shame.  If they both had been a little more patient with one another, it might have been great.  The song with the mistakes was released because they couldn't get the two back together to do it right.  Apparently, Brook was upset the producer released it.  Maybe the royalties mollified him later.

No one does September in the Rain better for me than Dinah.  I also like This Bitter Earth.  She also has a song on one of her early albums called Long John, which is one of the filthiest innuendo songs I've ever heard.

I love tons of Brook Benton...notably Shadrach, Fools Rush In, Kiddio, Walk On the Wild Side, A House is Not A Home, Rainy Night In Georgia.  

On one of my Benton albums, I have an interesting cut of him doing a demo of the Clyde McPhatter hit, It's A Lover's Question...a song which Benton co-wrote.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jane on February 18, 2004, 12:30:21 PM
DR Jane: Colin and I had hoped to vist the USA this year on our return from France but have decided (for a few $ reasons) to wait until next year and visit the West Coast (maybe fly to NYC as well). At this stage we are thinking of flying to Vancouver and then heading South and visiting some of those glorious parks. I think we will go at least as far as San Francisco. Maybe we will also take a short tour to the Grand Canyon. We are certainly hoping to meet up with a few Hainsies on our travels.

Your plans could take you right past our town. :)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jennifer on February 18, 2004, 12:46:41 PM
MORE AMERICAN IDOL COMMENTS:

DR Charles Pogue: I totally respect your opinion re: sick performers making excuses.  I've never been at an audition, so I'm really just giving my personal opinion as a viewer.  What she said didn't turn me off.  

One comment I'd like to make though, is that I suspect most viewers who watch AI are like me.  They aren't music experts and don't know if someone is off pitch or how many wrong notes they are hitting.

To you guys this is obvious. And that is one way that you judge the performances.  I mean sometimes it is obvious (like the brothers).  But it's not always.




Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jane on February 18, 2004, 12:48:05 PM
DerBrucer, beautiful pictures.  Thank you.

DRLaura the goose is cute.  I do enjoy them, but not where I have to walk.

TCB-yes, very cool and nice of your co-worker.
 
MBarnum, Portland would be nice too or you could come to Ashland.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: bk on February 18, 2004, 12:50:15 PM
Ordered the fan for my computer.  Should be here next week, then I'll have a tech come out and install it.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 12:50:43 PM
I'm going to explode the myth propogated by women that men hate to stop and ask for directions when they're lost.  It has nothing to do with some macho stance that we're too embarrassed to ask for help from our peers.  If I'm late and lost, I'll stop and ask for directions.  What women don't understand is that when we're lost and there is no specific time schedule, we're just not panicked by it and look at it as kind of an adventure to see if we can find our way back.  Women love detailed planning; men just go with the flow more easily.

Currently listening to Brook Benton, some undiscovered (or rediscovered) gems:  Still Waters Run Deep...Two Tickets to Paradise.  And then there are some of the better known ones that are fun Hotel Happiness, Hit Record, Lie To Me, Boll Weevil...There has yet to be an outright dud on this particular album yet (Well...Going, Going, Gone is less than spectacular).  Brook Benton:  Forty Greatest Hits
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 18, 2004, 12:54:57 PM
My big thing are landmarks.  Give me stores, gas stations, weird billboards to keep an eye out for anytime.  

Well, up here in Rehoboth they had a large flyer posted advertizing an event and the location was specified as "on the service road near where the Ames department store used to be".

der Brucer (getting tired of being told to turn left three blocks before where the BP gas station used to be)

Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 12:55:08 PM
Jennifer, I'm far from a musical expert...but I can still tell when someone hits a clinker, has breath control problems, or has no stage presence.  And when in doubt, I rely on Simon...I almost always agree with his comments...except for Hawaiin Girl...
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 12:59:13 PM
Mr Pogue must be just about to hear Brook singing about a Lumberjack!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Panni on February 18, 2004, 01:02:37 PM
Back from the dentist. I've learned a new term: "Preventative Dentistry." What it means is that the dentist wants to sell you all sorts of expensive devices not covered by your insurance (for those of us lucky enough to have dental insurance -- Thank you WGA) - things like retainers to wear at night so you don't grind your your teeth, so they don't wear down, so  twenty years from now you won't get a crack in the tooth. I'll be happy to remember my name twenty years from now! Who cares about cracks in my teeth. I also didn't buy the $150. electric tootbrush which is "better" than the electric toothbrush my previous dentist said was the best. Why is everything a business?!  End of rant.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: William E. Lurie on February 18, 2004, 01:04:50 PM
to late, lamented DR Francois!

Oh no!  I know he hasn't posted for a while but I was unaware that he had passed away.  When and how did this happen?
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Panni on February 18, 2004, 01:06:54 PM
...And I also don't think I grind my teeth at night. I can't prove it because I've never watched myself sleeping. (Except for my out of body experiences - oops (spoo) we shan't talk about that.)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 01:07:18 PM
Interesting tune, Lumberjack...zeroing in on the finale, Rainy Night in Georgia...
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 01:10:05 PM
I"ll check with François later. I think he will be at the seance venue in another 18 hours time.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jrand73 on February 18, 2004, 01:16:07 PM
DR Charles Pogue - Oh my....I bet Margaret was very good in "Barefoot."
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Noel on February 18, 2004, 01:17:29 PM
I'm going to explode the myth propogated by women that men hate to stop and ask for directions when they're lost.  It has nothing to do with some macho stance that we're too embarrassed to ask for help from our peers.  If I'm late and lost, I'll stop and ask for directions.  What women don't understand is that when we're lost and there is no specific time schedule, we're just not panicked by it and look at it as kind of an adventure to see if we can find our way back

Damn straight, Charles!  I thank you for articulating this.  There's nothing I like better than putting my navigational powers to work.  That's why I love bicycling in obscure parts of New York City.

My rewrite of Sondheim,

"Please don't cough...
And turn the Goddamn cell-phones off"


has to be rewritten again
because one of our 29 performers objects.
She said she'd happily sit out the number,
but she's so good, I agreed to change it.

"Please don't cough...
And kindly turn the cell-phones off"


Work yesterday started at 8:30 a.m. and ended after 10 p.m.  Didn't get to hear Donald's radio show until today.  It's been great to hear from long-lost friends who've heard the program, including one of the girls who made my heart pitter-pat in sixth grade.  Where were you when I was in my 20's?

(Not sure if that counts as a BK question.)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Robin on February 18, 2004, 01:18:59 PM
That brings up an interesting question for BK and the rest of the DRs:  How good are you at following directions, to get from place to place?

I'm wretched at directions.  It's a miracle I can find my way home every day.  The Significant Other ridicules my non-existent directional sense mercilessly good-naturedly.  
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Matt H. on February 18, 2004, 01:19:34 PM
DR Jose wrote:  "The big culprit was bad song choice.  Why pick a smooth jazz song?  Why pick an easy listening song?  Why pick a "slow groove"?  It appears the contestants were trying too much to show a different side of them rather than showing the judges who they really are.  -Which the judges commented on."


But I don't understand these criticisms. Once the finalists start singing in the final 12, they're going to be asked to sing in LOTS of different styles, so why is it bad to "mix it up" a bit with their choice of song and their vocal stylings (for those who are sophisticated enough to be able to style a song)? The judges keep complaining about the contestants "playing it safe" (this is what Randy said to Matt Rogers, the football guy, last night), but I think that's facile criticism. If he was playing safe, he'd sing "Happy Birthday." A singer can forget words, go off pitch, get distracted, or go off tempo on any kind of song. And they're not experienced enough to HAVE a set style yet. The judges are going to judge their style on 20 seconds of an audition song and a couple of other bits and pieces that they've heard? Absurd!

And if they sing a song in the style that they've used before, they run the risk of the judges saying they're singing the same old thing. It's a crap shoot with these inconsistent judges no matter which way you turn.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jennifer on February 18, 2004, 01:22:18 PM
Jennifer, I'm far from a musical expert...but I can still tell when someone hits a clinker, has breath control problems, or has no stage presence.  And when in doubt, I rely on Simon...I almost always agree with his comments...except for Hawaiin Girl...

I hope you realize that I was giving you a compliment when I mentioned musical expertise.

If you really thought Hawaiian Girl technically had problems then it wouldn't suprise me if Simon says he noticed this when he rewatched it on tv.

If you want a good laugh, here is recap of last night's show:
http://www.idolonfox.com/recaps/index.htm

Btw, there is a message board (under community) at the idolonfox website. This is the first time I've checked it out. They have threads about who they thought will make it through from last night (most people seem to say Lisa and Hawaiian Girl, with Marissa also being popular, and a number are also praising the football guy).

As for the Wildcard show, it seems Scooter Girl is very popular there.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jane on February 18, 2004, 01:22:48 PM
Charles Pogue I wonder if your lovely wife agrees you are indeed an exemption to the rule.  Keith does his best to avoid asking for directions.  When he finally agrees we need them, he sends me to ask. :D
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Sandra on February 18, 2004, 01:24:35 PM
Dear BK and anyone who has taken an art history class,

How was neo-classicism a response to the rococo era?
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Sandra on February 18, 2004, 01:25:30 PM
Oh, and how would you describe and/or define Baroque music as reflected in Handel's "Messiah?"
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: S. Woody White on February 18, 2004, 01:25:58 PM
My rewrite of Sondheim,

"Please don't cough...
And turn the Goddamn cell-phones off"


has to be rewritten again
because one of our 29 performers objects.
She said she'd happily sit out the number,
but she's so good, I agreed to change it.

"Please don't cough...
And kindly turn the cell-phones off"

The meter reads much better with the second version; I'd have objected to the first version myself on that basis.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 01:29:46 PM
I think as the Messiah was giving money to the poor, he was flat baroque. Is that the connection (On reflection)?
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 01:31:57 PM
That was of course a steal from Richard Carpenter. Ah! Carpenter. Another link with the Messiah.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Kerry on February 18, 2004, 01:34:20 PM
DRSandra-   trying to get us to write your papers for you again, huh?

BTW, you never answered my question as to whether the lyrics you have on  your profile are the lyrics to "Crazy Bus" from "Arthur."  If not, what is it?

Also--- did you end up writing about the concert or the museum for humanities?
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 18, 2004, 01:36:35 PM
DR Jose wrote:  "The big culprit was bad song choice.  Why pick a smooth jazz song?  Why pick an easy listening song?  Why pick a "slow groove"?  It appears the contestants were trying too much to show a different side of them rather than showing the judges who they really are.  -Which the judges commented on."


But I don't understand these criticisms. Once the finalists start singing in the final 12, they're going to be asked to sing in LOTS of different styles, so why is it bad to "mix it up" a bit with their choice of song and their vocal stylings (for those who are sophisticated enough to be able to style a song)? The judges keep complaining about the contestants "playing it safe" (this is what Randy said to Matt Rogers, the football guy, last night), but I think that's facile criticism. If he was playing safe, he'd sing "Happy Birthday." A singer can forget words, go off pitch, get distracted, or go off tempo on any kind of song. And they're not experienced enough to HAVE a set style yet. The judges are going to judge their style on 20 seconds of an audition song and a couple of other bits and pieces that they've heard. Absurd!

I guess what I'm trying to get at - and which just hit me a few minutes ago - is that AI is no longer a contest or competition - or even necessarily a talent show.  By this point and time - meaning the third season - it's more of a game.  Kind of like "Survivor" in a way.  The contestants should be using these rounds - just like their initial "audition" to get to the next round, and not necessarily show "who they are".

It's unfortunate that some strategizing has to be done, but I think it does.

-The football player was good.  Good not great.  I, too, had a sense he was holding back.

-A Norah Jones song to show off your range?  I don't think so.  Her material is purposely non-show-offy.  It's calm.  Soothing.  -And then if you "pop it up" it just makes the song sound wrong.  Unfortunately, suspender girl was having pitch issues last night too.

-Hawaiian girl - I don't get her either.

-And again, that's just my two cents... for today, at least.

Fortunately, once it gets down to the final 12, and they start doing theme shows, the playing ground becomes more level.

*I'm sorry I don't the contestants real names...

As for their own style...  Well, yes the contestants are young.  Yes, they are inexperienced.  But if they truly want to be - and ARE - the next American Idol, they should have their own style by now - even if they can't put a exact label on it right now.  If they want to snag a record contract right off the bat, they have to have the special something - the "it" factor - that separates them from the rest of the crowd.

And just like any other audition - the people behind the table have to go by what they've just seen and heard.  There's only so much second guessing one can do.  And if someone was good before, and not so good now, well, I'd have to question their talent too.  It's all in the moment.  For better or worse.

Well... I'm starting to ramble, and I need to get going and run some errands.

-But who knew I would ever be discussing American Idol?!?!?

 ;)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Sandra on February 18, 2004, 01:41:43 PM
Uh oh. Kerry has uncovered my evil plan to make you guys do my homework.

Yes, those lyrics are from Crazy Bus. That's the only song I know with the word "balloon-y" in it.

I haven't written about either of the things yet because that's not due for another couple weeks and I am going to wait until the night before it's due before I start to work on it. Unless I can get the Hainsies/Kimlets to write it before that.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 01:41:50 PM
No,Jane, my lovely wife hates it...and trots out the same sad myth each time. Hell, if I just make a wrong turn and KNOW how to get back, she wants me to stop for directions. But like I said, she hates it if my walk doesn't have a programmed route mapped out.  She wants to know exactly where and how long.  She won't go with me, if I decide I'm exploring.  

And speaking of exploring, as I go on exploring and re-discovering Brook Benton on Forty Greatest Hits,I just came across an interesting track...HURTING INSIDE.  It sounds like it oughta be a 50's Elvis Presley number and Benton even sounds sort of Presleyish on it.  It even has a rock 'n roll sex sax solo on it.  And then the next track is his great hit, Endlessly...Man, the guy is so smooth...Booging to Kiddio, right now..."I wrote you a six page letter/I even called you on the phone/ When you started talking about the weather/Kiddio, don't you know that's wrong?"
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: William E. Lurie on February 18, 2004, 01:42:00 PM
Best cellphone announcement I've heard was at the last Broadway By The Year.  Two minutes before the show began:

You have two minutes left to call all your friends and remind them not to call you during the next two hours.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 01:55:08 PM
The morning radio announcer here must read HHW. He has been talking about visits to the dentist and has just played Brook Benton's "Hit Record".
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jed on February 18, 2004, 02:07:41 PM
I'm very good with directions.  Even without directions, I have an uncanny ability to find where I'm going.  And once I've been somewhere, as others have said, I have no problem finding the place again.  However, rather than landmarks, I much prefer street names, or just a simple address.

I do believe Charles Pogue nailed it, regarding men asking for directions.  On those occasions where my knack for finding places doesn't kick in, I do really enjoy wandering around, exploring the area, and just seeing where I wind up.  I'll also go on "where does this road go?" trips from time to time.  The one time I hate not knowing where I'm going is if there's any sort of time limit involved.  There is almost nothing I hate more than being late (or even pressed for time getting somewhere), and if the clock starts getting too close for my comfort, then any disorientation drives me completely batty.  I assure you all that DR Ann is nodding her head in emphatic agreement at this. :)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: George on February 18, 2004, 02:10:49 PM
My rewrite of Sondheim,

"Please don't cough...
And turn the Goddamn cell-phones off"


has to be rewritten again
because one of our 29 performers objects.
She said she'd happily sit out the number,
but she's so good, I agreed to change it.

"Please don't cough...
And kindly turn the cell-phones off"

Noel, did she object to the "Goddamn" part?  I had heard that Kathy Lee Gifford asked Sondheim to rewrite a simlar lyric in Putting It Together because of her beliefs...maybe it was the "F" word (I'm not sure now).  Anyway, I remember reading that he did allow the change for her.

If her objection was to "Goddamn," what if you wrote "and turn the f*cking cell phones off" ... would that have been more acceptible? ;)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: bk on February 18, 2004, 02:15:04 PM
Since we're in the Brook Benton frame of mind, you know who else I really love: Gene McDaniel, especially Point of No Return.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Matt H. on February 18, 2004, 02:24:46 PM
Gene McDaniel is one of the few pop singers from that era that I know about. My college roommate loved him and played "A Hundred Pounds of Clay" all the time.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 02:24:58 PM
Gene McDaniels: Another great singer BK. A jazz man who did not really like his pop records and they were so good. His versions os songs like "A Tear", "Another Tear Falls", "The Puzzle", "Spanish Lace" etc are masterpieces of pop. Snuff Garrett produced all his hits. Enough said.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: MBarnum on February 18, 2004, 02:25:46 PM
I like Gene McDaniel's 100 Pounds of Clay
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 02:35:20 PM
Yes!  Yes!  Yes! Gene McDaniels!  Four great hits...HUNDRED POUNDS OF CLAY, TOWER OF STRENGTH, CHIP CHIP, and the aforementioned POINT OF NO RETURN.  Tomovoz were The Tear and Another Tear Falls big hits in Australia?They were the "b" sides up here, I believe, that got some top forty play.  I have this tape of Gene McDaniels and, unfortunately, after you get through his four big hits and the two Tear songs, there really isn't much else that's at all memorable.  But those four!  Wow!  

I don't remember whether you mentioned Point of No Return in Kritzer Time, but if you did, it would be a great song for Guy Haines to sing on the upcoming Kritzer album.  It would be a great song for him anyway.  Someone should rediscover this classic.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 02:35:44 PM
Trivia: English singer Craig Douglas covered "100 Pounds Of Clay" in the UK. His first version with the original lyrics was considered offensive and the lyrics were changed for a second release. Douglas appeared in the English pop/trad jazz film "It's Trad Dad". One of the guest stars in the film was Gene McDaniels. McDaniels sang "Another Tear Falls". You needed to know all that.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 02:42:50 PM
And, BK, have you sent Guy Haines' tapes to your pal Gary Owens at 570 or to 1260 yet?  I'm going to keep on you till you do!  
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: PennyO on February 18, 2004, 02:43:11 PM
I LOVE Tower of Strength!!!

And I think the Brucer/SWW habitat looks just swell in those Page 1 pix.

And I just had a room change here at the BRT Residence - I'm up on the 2nd floor now, and my bedroom has a terrace outside, overlooking the Delaware! Right at this moment, I'm sitting at the desk in the bedroom, gazing out the glass door at a most lovely pink, gold and blue sunset on the river... Another gawjus day. Ah, life is grand!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 02:45:20 PM
They were "B" sides here too Charles. Other hits here were "It's A Lonely Town"and "The Puzzle" and "Spanish Lace". "Chip Chip" and "100 Pounds Of Clay" were his most successful hits in OZ.
Major Trivia: The "B" side of "Spanish Lace" was "Somebody's Waiting" - one of the first recordings of a Randy Newman song.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 02:45:40 PM
What in the world did they change the original  A HUNDRED POUNDS OF CLAY lyrics to?  I'm very curious.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Emily on February 18, 2004, 02:50:15 PM
if it worked for sandra...

what are the main critiques of the hypothesis that the social structre and economy of advanced capaitalism have given salience to a competitive dimension of politics with two aspects: economically leftist (redistributive) and political as well as culturally libertarian (participatory and individualist) positions at one extreme and economically rightist, free-marketeering as well as politically and culturally authoritarian positions at the other?

People need to learn how, or have the intrinisic ability, to avoid (whenever possible) creating sentences - or phrases given the opportunity - THAT HAVE TOO MANY FRIGGIN' SIDE STEPS and extra points added in to its main idea!!!   There isn't some academic prize to for the single grammatically correct sentence with the most number of ideas in it at once.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 02:55:27 PM
"He created old Adam
And Made a woman for the man"....

"I'll thank him every night
For my world filled with beauty and light"

I think there are two more line somewhere too!

Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 02:59:54 PM
This miserable, dreary rainy day is just lovely.  It makes me remember, living out here in sunny CA, how much I miss bad weather...I wish I didn't have any work to do, so I could really enjoy it...
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 03:00:08 PM
DR Emily, whoever set the essay topic is an idiot. (My degree was a double major in Economics).
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 03:02:42 PM
Of course I did go to school with Keynes.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Noel on February 18, 2004, 03:03:07 PM
Noel, did she object to the "Goddamn" part?  I had heard that Kathy Lee Gifford asked Sondheim to rewrite a simlar lyric in Putting It Together because of her beliefs...maybe it was the "F" word (I'm not sure now).  Anyway, I remember reading that he did allow the change for her.

If her objection was to "Goddamn," what if you wrote "and turn the f*cking cell phones off" ... would that have been more acceptible? ;)

We'll never know.  This young lady is an absolute treasure, musical perfection, whereas there's two dozen others in the cast whom I don't trust at all.  So I'm accommodating her religious principles.

Kathy Lee didn't like the famous line "wait a Goddamn minute" in Could I Leave You and, as far as I'm concerned, should never have been given the role.  Her casting had everything to do with famous-from-TV = ticket sales and never mind that there are hundreds of able performers who could do the role better.

But if famous-from-TV weren't such a valuable commodity, nobody would subject themselves to that Idol show, now would they?
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 03:03:43 PM
Ah, and one of those rock n roll non-rhymes...Adam and man...Sort of like the earlier one I quoted from Kiddio "phone and wrong".  Isn't the original "He created a woman and a lots of lovin' for a man"...Of course, that's not a rhyme either, but an identity, isn't it?  Still it seems inoffensive enough...even for the time.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: bk on February 18, 2004, 03:16:43 PM
I, too, am enjoying the rain.  Will be sending Mr. Owens the CDs.  And Point of No Return almost made it in the book, but not quite.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 03:24:21 PM
Re 100 Pounds etc: I guess it was the whole idea of creating lots of lovin' that was a problem for the BBC. Worse things have happened here. We were not allowed to hear "bloody" in the "The Battle Of New Orleans" and "Snoopy Vs The Red Baron". In 1959 they would not play Darin's "Mack The Knife" on Oz radio!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Panni on February 18, 2004, 03:32:21 PM
Yes, the rain is lovely. But the sound is so soothing that I fell asleep. (I hardly slept last night, so I have an excuse of sorts.) And I absolutely CANNOT fall asleep because I have a ton of writing and reading to do. It's my fault because I thought that I could sit on my bed and read -- a ridiculous assumption when the rain is making pitter-pat noises on the window and the furnace is humming and getting the room just ever so warm and cozy and the dog is snuggling at your feet and...ZZZZZZZZZ
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: MBarnum on February 18, 2004, 03:52:42 PM
bK, you have not answered the BK questions of the day put forth by DR JRand53 and myself.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jane on February 18, 2004, 03:52:53 PM
No,Jane, my lovely wife hates it...and trots out the same sad myth each time. Hell, if I just make a wrong turn and KNOW how to get back, she wants me to stop for directions. But like I said, she hates it if my walk doesn't have a programmed route mapped out.  She wants to know exactly where and how long.  She won't go with me, if I decide I'm exploring.  


I suspected as much.  LOL ;D.  I do enjoy exploring, especially when I have someone with me who has a good sense of direction.  I'm careful which mountains I go hiking in alone.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jrand73 on February 18, 2004, 03:54:49 PM
Yes he did, MBARNUM.....he didn't watch the movies.  8-(
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: MBarnum on February 18, 2004, 03:55:04 PM
Off work in 5 minutes, then home to get some dinner and off to see 7 BRIDES FOR 7 BROTHERS at the Star Cinema in Stayton. All my buddies backed out of seeing it tonight...those slackers! But I am gonna go anyhow as I have never seen the whole movie and I will enjoy seeing Jeff Richards up on the big screen!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 03:56:46 PM
M Barnum. Be prepared for Iceland!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: MBarnum on February 18, 2004, 03:59:15 PM
Yes he did, MBARNUM.....he didn't watch the movies.  8-(

OH, I must have missed it, or was soooo shocked that my brain didn't want to admit having read it.

BK get down to the video store and rent REFORM SCHOOL GIRL, HOT ROD GANG, HIGH SCHOOL HELLCATS, and THE GHOST OF DRAGSTRIP HOLLOW right now! You will never regret it!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jane on February 18, 2004, 03:59:38 PM
I was happy our hard rain finally took a break this morning.  Echo & I had a very nice walk this walk before the light rain began again.

Tomovoz-such interesting censorship of songs.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: MBarnum on February 18, 2004, 04:00:02 PM
M Barnum. Be prepared for Iceland!

Woohoo! Thanks Tom!!

Have you visited India yet?????
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 04:04:49 PM
Was Jeff Richards the conspicuously non-dancing brother?  I've often wondered how he felt being in that movie and not dancing and how his fellow-dancer performers felt about him.  Any insight into this guy and what else he had done? I also always thought he looked a lot like Wayde Preston of "Colt-45."  He didn't change his name, did he?  Wayde Preston always sounded like a made-up Hollywood name.  So does Jeff Richards, for that matter.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: bk on February 18, 2004, 04:09:10 PM
I got compressed air and tried blowing air in the various vents and openings of the computer.  I could then hear the fan trying to work, so it may not even need a new fan - it may just need to be opened and cleaned out.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 04:10:19 PM
Sorry Michael. I have not even had time to go west of the wall. Have been too busy in Iceland. I need to relax now on a sandy shore. Don't you love posts that no-one else understands.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jane on February 18, 2004, 04:12:46 PM
Don't you love posts that no-one else understands.

I'm so glad you said that  :D
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 04:16:00 PM
DR Jane, other not for radio airplay or "edited" songs from Oz.
Love for Sale - any vocal version
"Let's Spend The Night Together" ( Rolling Stones)
"Ballad Of John & Yoko" (Beatles)
"I Can't Control Myself" (Troggs)
"Hi Hi Hi" (Wings)
"A Day In The Life" (Beatles).
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jrand73 on February 18, 2004, 04:16:24 PM
DR TOMOVOZ thanks so much for the super CD!  So many of the songs  I had never heard.   They are super....what a great collection!

And I hadn't heard THE LITTLE BLUE MAN in probably 30 years!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jrand73 on February 18, 2004, 04:21:00 PM
Yes that was Jeff Richards, DRCHARLESPOGUE....I think MBARNUM had some information about him that he posted last week.....

He was also in THE OPPOSITE SEX.  I know that his "bride" in 7B47B, happened to be the lovely dancer Julie Newmar.  On her Cult TV Stars episodes she stated that she was distressed that because HE didn't dance, she didn't get to do most of the numbers.  She said that he was a baseball player, a nice guy, and being given a push by MGM, but felt a bit out of place among all the dancers.  She said he worked very hard to do what little dancing he could, but even after hours of rehearsal, he mostly stood to the side and clapped his hands.

He does some steps in "Goin' Co'tin'" and finishes up the Challenge Dance, but is out of his element.  

But after all these years, Julie still despaired being paired with the non-dancing brother!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 18, 2004, 04:27:26 PM
Good evening!

I made a most pleasing - and delicious - discovery while I was at the grocery store about an hour ago.  I was walking around trying to find something crunchy and/or salty and/or sweet to snack on that wouldn't derail my current eating plan.  Well, I began to walk by this "heathy foods" display when I noticed some interesting packages on one of the lower shelves.  Boy, am I glad I stopped and saw them!  (Almost a Weird Romance reference.)

The product:  Just The Cheese - Crunchy Baked Natural Cheese Snacks.  And from Wisconsin too!  I picked up two flavors/varieties - Herb & Garlic and Pizza.  Very tasty!  Very crunchy!  And since they're just made out of cheese and spices, they have virtually no carbs!  It's just like a "frico crisp", or those crunchy bit of cheese on a pizza.  I may have to check out the other flavors now: White Cheddar, Nacho and Ranch.  Oh - just checking the packaging.  They have a website:

http://www.specialcheese.com

-Oh, and for what it's worth... Three days... Five pounds!

 ;D
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jane on February 18, 2004, 04:32:10 PM
But after all these years, Julie still despaired being paired with the non-dancing brother!

Was that why she changed her name after the movie? ;)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 04:32:12 PM
"Little Blue Man" was co-written by Fred Ebb. The song was covered by Petula Clark in the UK.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jrand73 on February 18, 2004, 04:34:09 PM
LOL could be DRJane - of course now she is known as Julie "Catwoman" Newmar!  To everyone but Wong Foo, that is.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jane on February 18, 2004, 04:37:18 PM
Tomovoz thanks for the additional listing of songs.

I loved "The Little Blue Man" .  I think last I heard the song was about six years ago.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jay on February 18, 2004, 04:55:08 PM
Of course, Ruta Lee's credit in 7Bf7B reads "Ruta Kilmonis."
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 05:00:10 PM
Well, I looked Jeff Richards up on IMDB.  Hardly an impressive theatrical career.  I always suspected he was getting the studio push during 7 Brides.  I can just hear the conversation between the exec. and the producer.

Exec: We're giving the kid the big studio push.  Use  'im in your next picture.

Prod:  But he can't sing or dance.

Exec:  Who cares?  We'll dub 'im.  Dance around him.  Show 'im off.  He's a big good-looking lug. Women will love 'em.

Then he sees the rushes:  Maybe we should drop this Richards guy.  He's a washout in this picture.  I mean look at 'im, he can't sing or dance!

By the by, Jeff Richards is a fake name.  But his real one wasn't Wayde Preston, merely Richard Taylor.  

So he isn't Wayde Preston, as I always suspected, but we could start the rumour that he is.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: MBarnum on February 18, 2004, 05:16:39 PM
Jeff Richards was a native Oregonian! Sadly he died drunk and alone in a little trailer someplace in California not too many years ago.

Ya, most of his movies were nothing to write home about, but for a B movie fan like myself..well, I have enjoyed quite a few of his films. LOL!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ann on February 18, 2004, 05:24:09 PM
I do believe Charles Pogue nailed it, regarding men asking for directions.  On those occasions where my knack for finding places doesn't kick in, I do really enjoy wandering around, exploring the area, and just seeing where I wind up.  I'll also go on "where does this road go?" trips from time to time.  The one time I hate not knowing where I'm going is if there's any sort of time limit involved.  There is almost nothing I hate more than being late (or even pressed for time getting somewhere), and if the clock starts getting too close for my comfort, then any disorientation drives me completely batty.  I assure you all that DR Ann is nodding her head in emphatic agreement at this. :)

yes, yes I am  :)
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Danise on February 18, 2004, 05:28:11 PM
Good evening all!


Good evening!

I made a most pleasing - and delicious - discovery while I was at the grocery store about an hour ago.  I was walking around trying to find something crunchy and/or salty and/or sweet to snack on that wouldn't derail my current eating plan.  Well, I began to walk by this "heathy foods" display when I noticed some interesting packages on one of the lower shelves.  Boy, am I glad I stopped and saw them!  (Almost a Weird Romance reference.)

The product:  Just The Cheese - Crunchy Baked Natural Cheese Snacks.  And from Wisconsin too!  I picked up two flavors/varieties - Herb & Garlic and Pizza.  Very tasty!  Very crunchy!  And since they're just made out of cheese and spices, they have virtually no carbs!  It's just like a "frico crisp", or those crunchy bit of cheese on a pizza.  I may have to check out the other flavors now: White Cheddar, Nacho and Ranch.  Oh - just checking the packaging.  They have a website:

http://www.specialcheese.com

-Oh, and for what it's worth... Three days... Five pounds!

 ;D

You go Jose!  I'll have to try those snacks.  Publix should have them if no other store.

Bad/good news on the house.  It's under contract.  Sigh.  Good news, I found out it needs five thousand in roof repairs ASAP so it wouldn't have been a good buy for me at this time.  I'm both happy and sad.  I was/am very afraid of taking on that much debt but I really wanted the house.  

No problem.  There will be another, better one someday.  :)

I liked the football player on AI.  I didn't hear anything wrong with what he sung and I hope he got picked.

I'm very good at finding my way back to anyplace I've been but as mentioned, when I temped, I always looked for the place the night before so I wouldn't misjudge and be late.

I can read a map but here in my home area, I can take you almost any place you want to go but I can't name the streets to get there.  I think I go by landmark.  I'm not even sure.  I just go to where ever it is.  

My Dad was good about teaching me about directions and such.  My poor Mom still can't remember that if she's looking out the kitchen window that's North.  If you look out our front door, that's South.  If you look at the TV , that's East and sitting in front of my computer, that's West.



Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 18, 2004, 06:03:08 PM
I've been doing a little Gene McDaniel research. Did you know that he wrote the Roberta Flack hit, Feel Like Making Love?
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Panni on February 18, 2004, 06:41:45 PM
Three days, five pounds! Congratulations, DR Jose!

I'm having a very cozy evening. My first fire - in the fireplace, that is - in my new place. (I've been here just over three months. -- Does that still qualify as new?) Writing away as the fire crackles, the dog snores, and the rain falls outside. I think I shall put some frozen chestnuts in the micro to complete the picture. "Chestnuts roasting on an open microwave..."
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Ben on February 18, 2004, 06:45:15 PM
For those of you interested, I am REALLY sorry if you thought that my earlier comment meant that Francois had passed away. He did not! He's alive (a generic horror film reference)! He's just not a poster here anymore. I should have phrased that remark in some better way.

Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: TCB on February 18, 2004, 06:50:43 PM
Was that why she changed her name after the movie? ;)

Julie Newmar changed her name?  Who is she now?  Meryl Streep?
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Panni on February 18, 2004, 06:51:29 PM
I forgot to mention... Yesterday I made an excellent $7.00 investment. Bought a bean bag wrist support at Staples. I don't know why it never occured to me to do this before, but it makes a huge difference to be able to rest my wrist on this thing as I use my Mouse. So for any DRs who spend time at the computer and have not tried one of these (I may be the only one who hasn't) -- go and get one.  Anna's tip for the day.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jane on February 18, 2004, 07:00:41 PM
TCB I know you are joking but for those who don't know, Julie Newmar is listed as Julie Newmeyer in the movie.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jane on February 18, 2004, 07:01:32 PM
Oh, and Panni thanks for the suggestion.  I will have to look into the bean bag.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 18, 2004, 07:06:18 PM
I forgot to mention... Yesterday I made an excellent $7.00 investment. Bought a bean bag wrist support at Staples. I don't know why it never occured to me to do this before, but it makes a huge difference to be able to rest my wrist on this thing as I use my Mouse. So for any DRs who spend time at the computer and have not tried one of these (I may be the only one who hasn't) -- go and get one.  Anna's tip for the day.

I have a gel type of bean bag wrist rest that I bought a few years ago.  LOVE IT!  Actually, it's a combined wrist rest and mouse pad.  And best of all, the gel pack is removable - and microwavable!  So nice for those quiet evenings at home.

...Or something like that...???

-Must be the lack of white sugar...

Oh - and as for tonight's American Idol decisions... Talk about suspense!  Damn those producers!!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: PennyO on February 18, 2004, 07:22:08 PM
Congrats on your loss, Jose!

Okay, so i just had a nice nap, and bounced awake just at 10. Weird sleeping habits these days. TV does it to me - never need a sleeping pill as long as there is a TV somewhere near... maybe I should move it into the bedroom???

Oh, it's after 7 on the West Coast! I can make my phone calls! I usually miss it, cuz I'm usually sleeping by now, and then up again at 3 or 4. oy.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Donna on February 18, 2004, 07:40:00 PM
Ben: I'm so glad to hear that Francois is among us! My heart skipped a beat when I read your email. Not too long ago (when he was still posting), I received the nicest note from him about a video and was set to email him back about it. Now, please tell us why he's not posting here anymore! It surely couldn't be the company!

Panni: Your dentist appointment post brought me to my knees laughing! I just returned from taking my Dad to the dentist and that's just what they did! Said we should get this "sonic toothbrush." I spotted the cost in the manufacturer's brochure: $199.00! Good Golly, Molly! You're right! Everyone's a promoter! It seems, nowadays, no one in the health profession has your best interests at heart. So depressing.


Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 18, 2004, 07:53:06 PM
Congrats on your loss, Jose!

Interesting turn of phrase... Hmmm....

And did you change rooms so you wouldn't have a "large actor" above you?  *I've worked with a conductor who's one "clause" he has in his contract is that he be on the top floor of wherever he is housed.  He can't stand the sound - or even the thought or possibility - of hearing someone walking on his ceiling.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: TCB on February 18, 2004, 07:53:21 PM
TCB I know you are joking but for those who don't know, Julie Newmar is listed as Julie Newmeyer in the movie.

Sorry, I didn't know.  I don't like the movie, so I guess I never paid much attention to the credits.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jane on February 18, 2004, 08:07:47 PM
TCB you don't have to be sorry. :)

Have a good evening all.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: bk on February 18, 2004, 08:18:39 PM
Sorry I'm not on too much this evening.  Trying to keep the laptop cool until the fan problem is fixed.  Keep the home fries burning you dear, dear people.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: TCB on February 18, 2004, 08:25:38 PM
Well, my home fries are still burning, so I guess I had better sign off.  Good night all!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 08:32:33 PM
It's only 3.30pm TCB. What's this good night all?
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Matt H. on February 18, 2004, 08:34:40 PM
Jeff Richards made the most of his best talent - looking good. I know he was dubbed in THE OPPOSITE SEX (sounds like Pete Roberts but I've never been sure about it), and I'm assuming he did no singing in SEVEN BRIDES either. I'm guessing only Tommy Rall sang of the six brothers other than Howard Keel. I know Bill Lee (yep, the same Bill Lee who sang for John Kerr in SOUTH PACIFIC and TEA AND SYMPATHY and for Christopher Plummer in THE SOUND OF MUSIC) sang for Matt Mattox in some scenes and for Jacques D'Amboise in others.

As for AMERICAN IDOL tonight, ;D
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Matt H. on February 18, 2004, 08:38:15 PM
Don't want to spoil the suspense for others, so I'll comment on the IDOL choices tomorrow.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Panni on February 18, 2004, 08:42:11 PM
As everyone is leaving, I guess I'll stop work for the night and eat something fattening. I'm probably one of the few people on this site trying to GAIN weight.  I lose weight when I'm writing hard (forget to eat) or stressed (lose appetite) or worried/unhappy (ditto) or... breathing... you name it, I lose a pound. I lost weight when I moved three months ago and am having trouble putting any back on. I gain a pound or two, and then I write to meet a deadline and lose it all, and more. My weight. What fascinating topic. Wake up, DRs!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 08:50:51 PM
Is there some way a few of us can send you our excess weight Anna?
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: bk on February 18, 2004, 08:53:07 PM
What is this everyone going away stuff?  When did our lovely Hainsies/Kimlets become such old fogies.  Why I remember a time when  we wuz only just beginning and the late-night denizens would show up and we would have posting frenzies.  But that was a long time ago, when I was knee-high to a grasshopper.  Now we iz old fogies.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Matt H. on February 18, 2004, 08:58:41 PM
Hey, I'm going to bed, but it's midnight on my coast. Hope everyone has a good evening.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 18, 2004, 09:02:31 PM
..and since I really do want to try to get up early tomorrow morning - instead of at noon like I did today - I, too, must bid adieu..

A demain...

Goodnight
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 09:03:41 PM
If it were midnight at the oasis and you had to put your camel to bed we would be more understanding.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 09:04:56 PM
So what time is it in the desert Pete? Whoops,  Kerry.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Kerry on February 18, 2004, 09:07:13 PM
I'm tired too.  Work tomorrow.  Ugh.  Jose, you deserve congratulations.   I admire your discipline....... and metabolism.  I need to work on this for me.   i could definitely do without a few pounds.  

Oh, and Jeff Richards didn't have to sing or dance or even act.  All he had to do was stand there.  Sorry to hear his life turned out badly.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 09:27:04 PM
Charles did your research come up with the name of the jazz band "Universal Jones" which was fronted by Gene McDaniels? He also composed "Compared To What" - also recorded beautifully by Roberta Flack. "Natural Juices" was the album mostly penned by McDaniels that included his version of "Feel Like Makin' Love" . A single was released by Universal Jones - "River".
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Panni on February 18, 2004, 09:37:58 PM
Is there some way a few of us can send you our excess weight Anna?

A very kind offer, Tomovoz. But there's probably some law that prohibits it ("no plants, foodstuffs or pounds") so I'll have to do it on my own.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: bk on February 18, 2004, 10:20:27 PM
Old fogies, that's what we've become.  Skammen, as Ingmar Bergman would say.

Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Panni on February 18, 2004, 10:30:38 PM
I object! I am NOT an old fogie. A little foggy at times, but not a fogie.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Tomovoz on February 18, 2004, 10:33:07 PM
Here's to us foggy people. Play misty for me.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: S. Woody White on February 18, 2004, 10:34:37 PM
I admit, I'm tired too.  The boxes my Dad was sending to us arrived today, so I helped our postman unload them all and got them into the house.  Then we started going through all twenty-seven boxes.  That's a lot of CDs, DVD, and books!  Some immediately went to the basement (meaning, I got to carry them down), and others are being stocked on our shelves.  Right now, my bed is covered with books, waiting to get organized.  There's room enough for Marty, who is napping quite comfortably, but not for me.  (Hey, an Ira G. ref!)

Of course, all of this reshelving would have gone a lot faster if we hadn't gone up to Dover for some shopping, and then over to Der Brucer's daughter's to deliver some things she wanted us to pick up.  We hadn't planned on staying there too late, since she was with the older lad at Cub Scouts, but while der B and the son-in-law were talking, she called and insisted that he stay because "the older lad wanted him to."  Yeah, right, they got back from Cub Scouts fifteen minutes later, the lad dashed over to watch TV, and she chewed her father's ear off for another hour.

So we got home late, both a little too tired to do much more work.  But I have to get some done, or I'll never find my bed again!
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Panni on February 18, 2004, 10:54:53 PM
Mention of my close personal friend Ingmar, made me take the screenplay of THE SILENCE off the shelf. So I shall make my last post for today, the last moment of the film. How's this for a thrilling climax, Hollywood?
ANNA: What's that?
JOHAN: Ester wrote me a letter.
ANNA (suspicious): A letter. Let's see?
Reluctantly, Johan gives her the crinkled paper with the incomprehensible foreign words.
Anna shrugs, hands it back to her son. He takes it from her and reads it, whispering.
It gets darker and darker, the rain squirts down over the windowpanes. Anna opens the window and lets the water splash over her hands and face. Johan's face is pale with the effort of trying to understand the strange language. This secret message.
                             THE END
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: Jed on February 18, 2004, 11:04:07 PM
The movie Panni quotes, of course, starred young Benjamin Kritzer's favorite... Ingrid Thulin.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: bk on February 18, 2004, 11:20:34 PM
Fogies I tell you.  We have turned into old fogies.  Perhaps we should all just sit around in our smoking jackets puffing on stogies.  Stogies for fogies and vice and versa.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: S. Woody White on February 18, 2004, 11:25:30 PM
I don't know how I've managed it, but I've just finished putting the cookbooks in their (basic) places on the shelves.  That's about eleven shelves of cookbooks, with a little room to grow.  Plus there's a shelf finished of general bookery (Kimmel sitting next to Maupin).

Right now, I've got enough room for five more shelves.  That will be filled with some of my personal stuff, and all of the gay lit/history/politics that I haven't sent to book hell downstairs (where it can gather it's deserved mold).  The entertainment/stage/film books are all going in the living room, since der Brucer and I both ref them when need be.

Day by day, this feels more and more like a home.
Title: Re:WALK ON THE WILD SIDE
Post by: S. Woody White on February 18, 2004, 11:34:42 PM
But we need more pictures on the walls.

Quilts.  I'd love to have some quilts to hang.

And family pictures, like of my parents and his.  If he can find any.  The hall needs pictures.  The stairway needs quilts.

The dining room needs an ancient mirror.  Either that or something we can't afford, like an original Pollock (but a small one, because it isn't THAT large a wall).

And stop complaining about us being old fogies, BK.  I haven't the fogie-est idea where you're coming up with that.