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Title: A MOOT POINT
Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 12:01:29 AM: Well, you've read the notes, so that's not a moot point. You know where I'll be all the livelong day, so that's not a moot point. No, the only thing left to do is post until the cows come home.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 12:53:11 AM: I find most of today's "reality" shows have little to do with reality, at least as I live it. Survivor, Bachelor, all of those shows are game shows, hyped and hyper contests and nothing more. At least American Yodel admits to being a contest, which gives it points for honesty.

On the other end of the spectrum, what should be reality programming, on the news channels, is more and more a parade of talking heads with shrill voices, and less and less about reporting news. Again, this is not reality. On a more local level, constant car chases, whether on fictional cop shows or showing cops in pursuit of a real suspect, has little to do with the reality of people's lives.

Does anyone remember a show called Real People? It was quite often silly, but it took the time to show average people who all the same found interesting things to do with their lives.

Fair and balanced, to me, does not mean arguments or exploitation of events. Yes, big news stories are out there, but they need to be put in perspective with the real stories of everyday people. We're a far more interesting nation (and world) than our television programming suggests.
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 01:09:15 AM: A few weeks ago, Emily asked us to help with a survey about language usage. I just came across an article in the Delaware News Journal (http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/life/2004/02/27lexiconanddiale.html) about the differences in speech between the northern and southern halves of the state. For example:

To Duncan, downstaters can sound somewhat like Virginians, because Kent and particularly Sussex County share the speech characteristics, vocabulary and colloquialisms of a region that stretches through Tidewater Virginia to the Outer Banks of the Carolinas.

"When I was a general in the National Guard," Duncan says, "I had an aide who grew up in Georgetown. Every once in a while, I'd say to him, 'Will you talk English so I can understand you?' ''

On the other hand, retired undertaker Dodd contends that "upstaters talk faster and sound bland."

And they all look at me like I sound funny! (Which, to them I do! :-\)
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Jrand73 on February 28, 2004, 04:01:38 AM: DR Denise - great fish picture and Congrats on the diet....you have inspired me to try.... AND I am on that Ticketmaster ticket list, and you only get something once a week or so AND there is an option in each email to discontinue being on the list...and link to click...so it is easy to remove yourself....as I have been told so often to do.

DR PANNI - I loved GIFT OF LOVE.....but then I am a sucker for stories like that....DEATH BE NOT PROUD and SOMETHING FOR JOEY...oh my! :'(

Well guess what DVD I ordered yesterday? Yup, CAMP! Oh dear, well DREvil Kurt and I missed it the ONE WEEK it was here in Indy - so maybe it will be okay...

Reality shows are my LEAST favorites, probably. I watched THE MOLE the first season and liked it! THE REAL WORLD sometimes has some good people, but now they only get aspiring musicians and actors and people who TRY too hard....boring. :P

Hmmmmmmmm.....1950's.....I loved PEOPLE ARE FUNNY, TRUTH OR CONSEQUENCES, and YOU ASKED FOR IT!

The game shows like WHAT'S MY LINE, TO TELL THE TRUTH, and I'VE GOT A SECRET were a lot of fun.

YOU ARE THERE and PERSON TO PERSON....stuff like that there!

I loved seeing the stars "at home" - my favorite episode had Gale Storm, who just happened to have an orchestra out by her swimming pool so she could stand there and sing a song! "Doesn't everybody?" ;D
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Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 04:28:59 AM: My favorite all time gameshow was the original Hollywood Squares with host Peter Marshall and stars like Paul Lynde, "Charlie Weaver", Wally Cox, Rose Marie, and many others. They were funny. They knew how to deliver the punchline and the writers were top notch. The "game" part was never exciting as the entertainment provided by the "stars of the Hollywood Squares"

One of these stars is seated in the Secret Square and the contest who picks it first could win a prize package of over _______. Which star is it?
__________. All in the Hollywood Squares. Now here is the master of the Hollywood Squares Peter Marshall.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 04:59:25 AM: Q: In Alice in Wonderland who kept crying, I'm late. I'm late"?

A by Paul Lynde: Alice and her Mother's sick about it.

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Q: An 80 year old doctor AJ Quick has recently developed something important and he named it after himself. What did AJ Quick name after himself?

A by Charlie Weaver: 80 year old? I would say the Quickie.

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Q: According to Amy Vanderbuilt do you tip in Motel like you do in a hotel?

A by Paul Lynde: For a half an hour???

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Q: Dale Evans reveled recently her three secrets to her happy marriage to Roy Rogers. We work together, We pray together, and we are darn good .........What?

A by Paul Lynde: In the saddle.

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Q: Acording to the book Strange Courtships and Marriage. Do Snails ever carress?

A by Totie Fields: I've never seen a horny snail

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Q: In what famous book do you find a talking ass who wonders why its being beaten?

A by Paul Lynde: I read it. The Joy of Sex
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Lulu on February 28, 2004, 05:19:41 AM: Favorite reality show? I honestly don't think I have one; though I still would love to be able to one day see "An American Family," the multi-part documentary made for PBS in the early '70s.

Favorite game show: Match Game.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 28, 2004, 06:03:02 AM: DRJane - is that Vegas Shakespeare a Libby Appel production? Or need I ask.....

Peter Marshall: Paul, the Pope will celebrate his birthday this week, and he is going to get something just like everyone else....what is he going to get?

Paul Lynde: Johnny Olsen! Tell the Pope what he gets!! ;)

OMG DRLulu - on the Original Match Game...there were only two celebrities who each played with two regular contestants. Jayne Mansfield would always write her answers and dot her I's with hearts! ;D
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Jrand73 on February 28, 2004, 06:05:36 AM: Off to rehearsal. Pray for Rosemary's Baby.
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Post by: Matt H. on February 28, 2004, 06:22:12 AM: Favorite reality shows

I loved MASQUERADE PARTY in the 1950s. Using 'The Sabre Dance" as its theme song was scary to me as a kid. And the makeups for the celebrities were also eerie, but I guess that's why I was so fascinated with it.

I loved ART LINKLETTER'S HOUSE PARTY, not just because my uncle appeared on it once (with my brother and me in the audience), but because it was such a fun mixture of fashion, gossip, stunts, and kids. Just loved it.

As for the modern reality shows, I admit to being a SURVIVOR junkie for the first four installments. I swore off the show when it was obvious I was getting too emotionally involved with the people, worrying about their strategies to the extent that I wasn't sleeping and would watch the show with such an extreme stomach ache that I knew it wasn't good for me any more.

I also loved the first two MOLE shows with average citizens as players. The celebrity editions haven't interested me at all.

I also have to confess that I watched each and every episode of the reality dating show BOY MEETS BOY and loved it. Never in my life did I dream there would be a gay dating show on TV, so when one came along, there was no way on earth I would have missed it.

Now, AMERICAN IDOL and QUEER EYE FOR THE STRAIGHT GUY are probably the only reality shows I watch.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 06:41:54 AM: Only reality show I have watched and enjoyed was "The Mole" (Oz version) - at least there seemed to be some intelligence involved in decision making etc.

Game shows: No American shows - only copies of what has been successful elsewhere. I did enjoy "It's A Knockout" (was that a Canadian idea?).
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Kerry on February 28, 2004, 06:52:53 AM: I don't know from reality. I've never been there in real life, so why should I watch it on television?
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 06:59:35 AM: I, too, liked You Asked for It and People are Funny. You are There was a great show.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 07:12:01 AM: I was on a game show once. Called Chain Reaction. It was the version without celebrities. Taped in Montreal and syndicated. I won one game and lost the next.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 07:12:55 AM: This afternoon I am going to Liz Callaway and Jason Graae in concert.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 07:15:31 AM: BK what did Stephen Sondheim do in the film Camp?
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 07:20:53 AM: Mr. Sondheim plays a character called Stephen Sondheim, who comes to see the benefit concert at the end of the film, of which he's supposedly the chair.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 07:40:16 AM: Quote from: JRand53 on February 28, 2004, 04:01:38 AM
DR PANNI - I loved GIFT OF LOVE.....but then I am a sucker for stories like that....DEATH BE NOT PROUD and SOMETHING FOR JOEY...oh my! :'(
Well, thank you, Jrand 53! Obvously a man with splendid taste.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 07:44:59 AM: Good Simi Valley Vibes (hard for a Hungarian to say!) to Mr. bk!
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 07:56:59 AM: Here's what I posted last night about CAMP:

I went to CAMP looking forward to it. I left thinking it was amateurish and stupid. As for Sondheim's performance, I think the only person who could have done a worse job of playing Sondheim is Andrew Lloyd Weber.

I saw it in a theater, so I couldn't yell at the screen in frustration, but I sure would have at home.

I'm not big on reality shows. I do agree with DR Lulu (Is that who it was? Sorry if it was someone else.) that An American Family was superb.

Game shows: I liked To Tell the Truth, Matchgame, What's My Line, the old Hollywood Squares... The oldies but goodies. I'll probably think of others as the day goes on.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: JMK on February 28, 2004, 07:57:36 AM: Re: The Match Game. My wife and I were at High Holy Days services several years ago when we noticed a tall man sitting in the row in front of us. He looked exactly like Gene Rayburn. I turned to my wife and said, "Let's sing the 'Match Game' theme and see if he turns around." We did. He didn't. (We no longer go to that congregation, but, surprisingly, not because we were asked not to return). :)

And who can tell me the "real" name and composer of the Match Game theme?
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Matt H. on February 28, 2004, 08:04:35 AM: Can't wait to see the answer to the MATCH GAME theme song. For years, I thought it was Mancini's "Baby Elephant Walk," but learned later that it wasn't. Looking forward to finally knowing the answer to this.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Jay on February 28, 2004, 08:32:53 AM: Quote from: Michael Shayne on February 28, 2004, 07:12:55 AM
This afternoon I am going to Liz Callaway and Jason Graae in concert.

I am sure you will enjoy their show, Dear Reader Michael.

I must ask: what is the picture you have below your name? If it is what I think it is, I must confess I find it rather disturbing.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:34:52 AM: Bert Kaempfert composed the Match Game theme song. (But don't ask me what I had for breakfast this morning. Well, actually I haven't had breakfast yet, so I'm safe.) What do I win?
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Jay on February 28, 2004, 08:35:28 AM: Quote from: JMK on February 28, 2004, 07:57:36 AM
And who can tell me the "real" name and composer of the Match Game theme?

I don't know the composer, but isn't the tune "That Happy Feeling?" Or something like that.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 08:37:22 AM: Quote from: Jay on February 28, 2004, 08:32:53 AM
I am sure you will enjoy their show, Dear Reader Michael.

I must ask: what is the picture you have below your name? If it is what I think it is, I must confess I find it rather disturbing.

It is me as Officer Dvorkin from my year as a background player on the TV series Sirens
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:40:16 AM: While I was showering just now, A Question for the DRs popped into my head. (Ouch.) I know it's not Ask DRs Day, but it's the weekend so let's be wild and crazy and break the rules.
My question: If you could have one date with any famous person, alive or deceased, who would it be? Now I'm talking about a date, nothing sexual, got it? He or she would come to your home and pick you up (or vice versa), you would go to dinner, perhaps theater, a movie, whatever... then come back home and say good-night. A date. So... I'm curious...
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 08:42:50 AM: The gentleman who wrote the Match Game Theme was Robert Israel who has also written the themes to The Family Feud, 20/20, The Price is Right, one of themes to All My Children etc etc
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:43:04 AM: I'll be back after breakfast to see the fascinating responses...
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:45:08 AM: Quote from: Michael Shayne on February 28, 2004, 08:42:50 AM
The gentleman who wrote the Match Game Theme was Robert Israel who has also written the themes to The Family Feud, 20/20, The Price is Right, one of themes to All My Children etc etc

Wait! WAIT! I thought it was Bert Kaempfert. We've gotta look this up and have an informational shoot-out.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 28, 2004, 08:52:42 AM: Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:45:08 AM
Wait! WAIT! I thought it was Bert Kaempfert. We've gotta look this up and have an informational shoot-out.

ROUND ONE:

According to Chris Lambert (http://www.chris-lambert.com/MG/MGFAQ.html):

The '70s theme, along with a portion of the famous Think Music, is available on Varese Sarabande Records' "Classic TV Game Show Themes" CD, copyright 1997. Your local music store should be able to order it. The theme to the '60s version is Bert Kaempfert's "A Swingin' Safari", available on various discs, and is also included on "The Best of TV Quiz & Game Show Themes" - which is the follow-up to the earlier disc. The '83 and '90 shows' theme songs are available on The '80s TV Theme Supersite.

der surfin' Brucer
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Jay on February 28, 2004, 08:56:49 AM: Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:40:16 AM
While I was showering just now, A Question for the DRs popped into my head. (Ouch.) I know it's not Ask DRs Day, but it's the weekend so let's be wild and crazy and break the rules.
My question: If you could have one date with any famous person, alive or deceased, who would it be? Now I'm talking about a date, nothing sexual, got it? He or she would come to your home and pick you up (or vice versa), you would go to dinner, perhaps theater, a movie, whatever... then come back home and say good-night. A date. So... I'm curious...

What a great question!

Can I be a serial dater? Off the top of my head, my evening escorts would include:

Bennet Cerf
Dorothy Parker
Montogomery Clift
Rock Hudson
Richard Gere (I can play the piano with my tuchus too, you know.)
Elaine Stritch
Frank Lloyd Wright
Stanford White (I look good in a velvet swing, too.)
Totie Fields
Leonard Bernstein
Cole Porter
Joseph Mankiewicz
George Cukor

Who knows? Maybe something serious could come from at least one of these dates.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 28, 2004, 08:59:31 AM: Quote from: Michael Shayne on February 28, 2004, 08:42:50 AM
The gentleman who wrote the Match Game Theme was Robert Israel who has also written the themes to The Family Feud, 20/20, The Price is Right, one of themes to All My Children etc etc

Not the original!

Israel wrote the theme for "Match Game 73".

der Brucer (next round!)
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: CharlieToft on February 28, 2004, 09:01:54 AM: One thing that is completely unforgivable about CAMP:

In a film about a summer camp devoted to musical theater, there are practically no gay people - no gay teachers and no gay students.

Of course, the SOLE gay guy that is depicted has a crush on the straight boy. And sleeps with a female student in desperation. God forbid we should see two gay boys snogging or at least hanging out together.

What year is this, 1972?
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 09:02:26 AM: Turns out we're BOTH right. There were a number of different versions of Match Game through the years:

Theme 1 (NBC): "A Swingin' Safari"
[Legal title, as per BMI... aka: "Bailando En El Safari";

Composer Kaempfert was a German-born orchestra leader
who often used African Kwela music influences in his
arrangements and compositions; this pop instrumental
had been on worldwide pop charts ;

Curiously, the version used on the air was not the
Kaempfert original, but the one recorded by American
Billy Vaughn and his Orchestra which had reached #13
in 1962 on the American Top-40 charts]

Composer: Bert Kaempfert (GEMA, affil. with BMI)
Recordings:
CD: TV Quiz and Game Show Themes (2000)
[a production of "The Game Show Network"]
Varèse Sarabande Records 302 066 159 2
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Theme 2 (CBS): "The Opening"
Composer: Morrie ("M.") Krantz (BMI)

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Theme 3 (CBS and Syndicated): "Match Game Opening and Closing"
Composer: Robert Arnold ("Bob") Israel (BMI)
[Robert Israel is president of the New York
music production company "Score Productions"]
2001 Publishers: Togo Music (BMI)
Recordings:
CD: TV Classic Game Show Themes (1998)
[a production of "The Game Show Network"]
Varèse Sarabande Records VSD-5881
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Theme 4: "The Match Game/Hollywood Squares Theme"
Composer Kalehoff also worked for Score Productions at one
point; so it's possible this THEME was written as a work
for hire for Robert Israel's "Score Productions" and is
the same as #3 above]
Composer: Edward Woodley ("Edd") Kalehoff (BMI)
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: DERBRUCER on February 28, 2004, 09:06:48 AM: Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:40:16 AM
My question: If you could have one date with any famous person, alive or deceased, who would it be? Now I'm talking about a date, nothing sexual, got it? He or she would come to your home and pick you up (or vice versa), you would go to dinner, perhaps theater, a movie, whatever... then come back home and say good-night. A date. So... I'm curious...

How about an evening for four; my guests:

Alexander Pope
T. S. Eliot
Noel Coward

der Brucer (and no Coward plays while Eliot sings songs from CATS jokes!)

If we have room, let's add Oscar Wilde
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 09:09:21 AM: I forgot to cite the URL for my Match Game info
http://www.classicthemes.com/50sTVThemes/themePages/matchGame.html
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 09:11:53 AM: I love your list, DR Jay! Could I come along on your date with Monty?
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 09:13:24 AM: Der Brucer - Quite an evening that would be!
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 28, 2004, 09:14:44 AM: In today's Notes, BK avers:

But, since toom isn’t a word....

As much as ~~I take the greatest glee in~~ hestitate to correct you, Mr Webster says:

Main Entry: toom
Pronunciation: 'tüm
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English tOm —more at TEEM
Date: before 12th century
chiefly Scottish : EMPTY

der Brucer (paying BK back for his cheap shot at Log Cabin the notes)
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Jay on February 28, 2004, 09:19:47 AM: Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 09:11:53 AM
I love your list, DR Jay! Could I come along on your date with Monty?

To quote the seagulls from Finding Nemo:

Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine!
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 09:20:48 AM: DR Jay - I once spent several days in New York (doing research for a movie) with a fascinating elderly lady who, as a young lawyer, was hired by Harry K. Thaw, the murdered of your date Stanford White and the husband of your Girl on a Velver Swing (Evelyn Nesbit) to defend a young woman accused of murder. In the course of all this, Thaw fell in love with the lady lawyer, but she would not have him, no sir.
One day I'll write more about this encounter because it was truly fascinating. But I still haven't had breakfast!
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 09:21:41 AM: Quote from: Jay on February 28, 2004, 09:19:47 AM
To quote the seagulls from Finding Nemo:

Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine! Mine!

Selfish, selfish, selfish!
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Post by: Jay on February 28, 2004, 09:32:09 AM: Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 09:21:41 AM
Selfish, selfish, selfish!

Nah. You can have at him when I'm done.

;)
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Post by: Jay on February 28, 2004, 09:38:06 AM: I'm off for a haircut now Dear Readers. I want to be a kempt man, just like Dear BK.

After that, I will be heading to downtown L.A. to join an architectural walking tour, focusing on the use of terra cotta in many of the historic buildings to be found there. That probably strikes many of you as incredibly boring, but hey, it strikes my fancy. Besides which, it is a fabulously sunny and crisp day here in L.A., and there are worse things I could be doing than walking around in the outdoors for a few hours.

Have a great day, Dear Readers. I'll check in when I return late this afternoon.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 28, 2004, 09:38:54 AM: Miscellaneous comments from yesterday:

TomOvRooland said:
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Thanks for using my favourite word "awry"!

As in: I bought three loaves of bread, one an Italian, one a French and one awry.

Danise was happy to state:

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My face seems to be where I notice it the most.

Between your ears, we trust. We would all be chagrined should you lose your face.

She also confessed:
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...my Mom used to pack Ketchup and cheese for my lunch. I HATED them.

The Ketchup the cheese and Mom?

My school days brown bag was always a treat. Good old Pop also took a lunch, so Mom took great pains to please him (and me in the process). Liverwurst, tomato and onion on Rye -with mustard! Salami and tomato on Whole (or cracked) Wheat with Mayo. (The tomato and a big Kosher Dill were separately wrapped in wax paper to keep the bread from getting soggy)! [Note: Tim Robbin's wife had not yet invented her now famous "Wrap".]

JMK reminisced:
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Re: Peter Kastner!! Does anyone remember his short-lived sitcom The Ugliest Girl in the World? He cross-dressed and became a famous fashion model.

It also starred Garry Marshall and was replaced by "The Fying Nun".

Michael Shayne noted:
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He (Copolla) then made some nudie films and his first real film although uncredited was The Terror with Boris Karloff. He was one of five directors, Roger Corman (credited director), Monte Hellman, Jack Hill and Jack Nicholson (who was also in it) were the other directors

I read this just after unpacking my latest grab from Wal Mart's 2fer11 DVD bin - Boris Karloff Classics: The Ape, The Ghoul, The Terror, Dick Tracy Meets Gruesome - sounds like a JRand/Mbarnum film fest.

To add to the aforementioned fest I also got "Cult Classics- Collection 1 : The Atomic Brain, The Brain That Would Not Die, Carnival of Souls and Night Tide.

der late-poster Brucer
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Post by: JMK on February 28, 2004, 09:39:15 AM: I was indeed referring to "A Swingin' Safari" by Bert Kaempfert. That is the tune my lovely wife and I sang to the Rayburn lookalike (giving us even more to atone for :) ). And of course we all know who wrote the "Jeopardy" theme. Don't we? ::)
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 28, 2004, 09:52:20 AM: Quote from: Jay on February 28, 2004, 09:38:06 AM
I'm off for a haircut now Dear Readers.

After that, I will be heading to downtown L.A. to join an architectural walking tour, focusing on the use of terra cotta in many of the historic buildings to be found there. That probably strikes many of you as incredibly boring, but hey, it strikes my fancy.

Just hope a tile doesn't fall; it might strike more than your "fancy" - and ruin the handiwork of your coiffeur/coiffeuse.

der Brucer (distressed the Webster doesn't recognize "coif"!)
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 28, 2004, 09:54:55 AM: Quote from: JMK on February 28, 2004, 09:39:15 AM
And of course we all know who wrote the "Jeopardy" theme. Don't we? ::)

Of course, TCB's mentor.
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Post by: MBarnum on February 28, 2004, 09:56:29 AM: DR Michael Shayne, I remember the series Sirens! Did you work on it at the same time the John Terlesky was on it? If so would you mind telling me everything there is to know about the man (one of my few modern day favorite actors)!

Favorite reality shows:

1950s- You Bet Your Life and This is Your Life

1960s/70s - Candid Camera and this one show that was sort of like star search. It had a contestant and, I think, a celebrity reenact a scene from a classic movie. Whatever the show was it was a favorite of mine as a kid around 1974 or 1975.

1980s - I remember Real People, and I watched it, but don't recall if I really liked it or not.

1990s- Hmmmm...not much to choose from other then the first couple of seasons of Real World (San Francisco was my favorite season)

2000s- Big Brother, Survivor, (non-celebrity) The Mole, The Amazing Race.
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Post by: MBarnum on February 28, 2004, 10:00:53 AM: Der Brucer, you have some interesting film viewing in your future! LOL! You must report your thoughts as you watch each motion picture entertainment!

DR Panni - Hmmm...for a date, well, I would love to take the lovely Allison Hayes on a date. I imagine that she would be one very interesting person to chat with. Also, Lillian Gish (when she was in her 90s).

Jay, I actually think that walking tour would be quite fascinating. If I had known there was such a tour I would have gone on it during one of my visits to L.A. I love vintage architecture and walking around L.A. in the nice weather would be a great pleasure!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on February 28, 2004, 10:39:33 AM: Game Shows: I confess I had an affection for "Treasure Hunt" with the great Jan Murray!

And I loved "The Gong Show" with that idiot host with the stupid hat.

and "The Newlywed Game" was tons of fun.

Reality shows:

Survivor
Big Brother
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 10:50:30 AM: Good Afternoon!

And I had a wonderful morning too!

I finally dragged myself out of bed around 9:00, and got myself ready to head up to school for Shirley Verrett's master class. Boy am I glad I decided not to laze is bed this morning. What a wonderful class! When I walked in, they were showing some footage from a tele-bio about her which included some of her classic performances in/as Tosca. Lots of goosebumps.

After being introduced, Ms. Verrett came out and proceeded to do what she was there to do. They had five singers this morning - current and graduate students from VCU. They sang, then she commented and coached. Some very good general comments, and some illuminating fine points too. All in all, a very educational and inspirational morning.

-And Ms. Verrett looked fabulous! ;) At the end of the master class, members of the administration came out - including the president of the university - and conferred an Honorary Doctorate upon her. Then a very nice reception.

-And now I'm home taking care of my usual daily internet stuff... And it's a gorgeous day here in Richmond too! -I'm hoping to go for a run in another hour or so.

So...

Reality shows: Hmm... I do remember liking "Real People" a lot. And I also remember my cousins and I always keeping an out for funny signs, billboards and newspaper ads so that we could send them in and hear our name on TV! Oh, and I guess "That's Incredible" would also have to be included in this bunch. "The Real World" - The first three seasons.

I come and go with "Survivor" - usually just catch the final two rounds of each location/season. -Of course, I'm a die-hard Must-See TV viewer, so that has more to do with it than anything else.

Game shows: "The Price is Right" - A definite classic. It is so weird/sad not hearing Rod Roddy's voice anymore. :( "Match Game" - Of course, most of the jokes ended up going over my head at the time, but I did pick up something very "adult" in some of the answers - I just didn't know what it was. "Joker's Wild" - Just remember watching this when I was growing up... Oh, as well as "Tic-Tac-Dough"... Oh, and, of course, "The Family Feud" with Richard Dawson. And "Jeopardy" - which evolved into the one show that my whole would watch before/during/after dinner.

Ramble, ramble, ramble...
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 10:54:33 AM: Quote from: JMK on February 28, 2004, 09:39:15 AM
And of course we all know who wrote the "Jeopardy" theme. Don't we? ::)

I thought this might be of interest. Here's Merv, aka TCB's mentor, talking about the theme:

" That 'Jeopardy' theme is simply amazing," Griffin does allow. "I've written the shortest, most recognizable song. There was a list compiling the shortest songs: 'Happy Birthday to You' is 17 seconds. 'Jeopardy' is 14 seconds. So I rewrote it in another key, then added the 'bum-bump' to get it to 30 seconds, which was the amount of time contestants needed to write the question to the Final Jeopardy answer. Now, it's played at sporting events; I've played it with the Boston Pops in a huge arrangement. It's one of the most lucrative themes in history."
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 10:59:41 AM: I must add WHEEL OF FORTUNE to game shows - not because I love it, but because my daughter is amazingly good at it. She'll see two or three letters of the most obscure phrase or name and just calmly tell you the whole thing as if she were channeling it from some game show spirit in the sky. She maintains that if she could get on the show, she'd win her college tuition and I could stop shelling out. Sounds good to me.
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 11:01:53 AM: As bk is busy helping people in the Simi Valley make fools of themselves, I feel someone should say - and I elect me... WHERE IN TARNATION IS EVERYONE?
You'd think it was the weekend or something.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 28, 2004, 11:37:37 AM: Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 11:01:53 AM
WHERE IN TARNATION IS EVERYONE?
You'd think it was the weekend or something.

I have an animal joke I could post.
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Post by: Jane on February 28, 2004, 11:49:44 AM: Robin Anderson & MBarnum-hope you are both feeling better today.

Ben thank you for your detailed post regarding the calendar, information I shall save. I didn’t have a clue we can personally add or subtract information on it, making one more nice addition to this new format.

Jed thanks for answering Bruce’s question regarding Echo’s birthday.
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Post by: Jed on February 28, 2004, 11:53:45 AM: The Mole was far and away my favorite reality show. It was a mental game, and focused on the competition, not the heightened-for-tv dramatics between people. The celebrity versions leave me absolutely flat... everyone just always trying so hard to be mole-ish, and not really playing the game at all. I do like The Amazing Race quite a bit (is it coming back?), and I must admit that Survivor has grown on me the past couple seasons. I have been watching American Idol this season (hadn't watched any of the first two seasons), but my interest there is quickly waning.
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Post by: Jane on February 28, 2004, 12:05:20 PM: Quote from: Jay on February 28, 2004, 09:38:06 AM
After that, I will be heading to downtown L.A. to join an architectural walking tour, focusing on the use of terra cotta in many of the historic buildings to be found there. That probably strikes many of you as incredibly boring, but hey, it strikes my fancy. Besides which, it is a fabulously sunny and crisp day here in L.A., and there are worse things I could be doing than walking around in the outdoors for a few hours.

It stikes me as interesting, if done on a beautiful day.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 28, 2004, 12:13:32 PM: An interesting Interview with Alfred Molina (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,112736,00.html):

Alfred Molina Steps Into Big Shoes in 'Fiddler'Saturday, February 28, 2004
By Mark Kennedy

(excerpts)
…
One thing Molina didn't worry about was that he isn't Jewish. "In a way, that's irrelevant. It's not about nationality — it transcends it. Does that mean I have to be Danish to play Hamlet?" he asks.

"I'm sure that on some personal or maybe familial level, a Jewish actor might have a connection or might strike a resonant chord in a very private or personal way. But ultimately that's not really what it's about," he says.

"What it's about is finding a way to tell a story as authentically and as clearly as possible. I don't have to be Jewish to play a Jew. I don't have to have that experience. My job is to give the audience that experience."
…
He recalls at the age of 13 or 14 walking past an antique store and looking through the window at its spiral staircase. "I can remember looking at this staircase from outside the store and singing to myself, 'I'd have one large staircase going up and one even longer coming down."'

Now, all these years later, Molina isn't worried about the inevitable comparisons he expects to face as the anchor of a beloved show.

"That's OK," he says. "I take a kind of cosmic view. ... The short time in the world that I'm playing Tevye, I am Tevye. And when I'm done, it'll be someone else and it'll be their turn."

der Brucer (If he were a rich man he'd go to NYC and see the show)
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Post by: Jane on February 28, 2004, 12:20:15 PM: I have never seen CAMP & don’t plan to now. I don’t watch the current reality shows. I once watched half an hour of BIG BROTHER, the sole purpose, to see my cousin’s name as producer in the credits. I’m not close to my cousin anymore so I’ve never talked to him about the show.

I did watch most of the early talk shows: PEOPLE ARE FUNNY, TRUTH OR CONSEQUENCES, YOU ASKED FOR IT, WHAT'S MY LINE, TO TELL THE TRUTH, I'VE GOT A SECRET, CANDID CAMERA, YOU ARE THERE, PERSON TO PERSON and JEOPARDY.

JRand53 THE COMEDY OF ERRORS is directed by Bill Rauch, whom I am not familiar with. If it were by Libby Appel I would truly hesitate to go.
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Post by: Noel on February 28, 2004, 12:37:21 PM: I take a very dim view of reality shows.

Perhaps I'm spoiled, but, when I turn on primte-time TV, I expect to see the creative product of a writer who's been paid for his work. When the networks, instead, decide to put a camera in front of "ordinary people" (who don't get paid like actors do), it just strikes me as so lazy . . . I have trouble getting past that and enjoying the show.

That said, I must admit that there's been an episode or two of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy that moved me to laughter and tears. I like that the five recurring "characters" are different from each other, and the subjects of their makeovers seem free of homophobia.

DW Joy and I took a lovely walk on this very spring-like day to Riverside Church and environs. I was impressed by the new dorm next to The Manhattan School of Music - the best new building on Broadway in quite some time, at least viewed from the southwest. So, of course, Jay's tour doesn't seem boring to me at all.
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Post by: Jane on February 28, 2004, 12:37:56 PM: Panni I would like an evening with relatives from my past. I would like to meet my mother’s father, whom I never met (due to a very sad tale). I would like to meet my father’s grandfather or any relative who can tell me where to find the connections, proving I am related to a very famous rabbi known as the Goan of Vilna.
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 01:02:35 PM: I'd be quite happy to meet a few of the Kimlets at dinner - I am not much into celebrities past or present.
I am of course not disclosing which kimlets would be first on my list but they would know!
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Post by: JMK on February 28, 2004, 01:36:37 PM: DR Jane: You echo my sentiments exactly. My family history is shrouded in mystery, as my father and his brothers (and one sister who sadly later committed suicide before I was born) were semi-orphaned (their Mom died and their Dad decided he could not take care of all the kids by himself) at an early age and put in foster care. My sister managed, by Divine Intervention, to find incredible family records in London years ago when she lived over there, and we too are related to several famous rabbis (in England).

I just recently managed to track down the foster home where my Dad and his siblings were kept and they sent me absolutely heartbreaking information, including the fact that we have (had?) an Aunt we never knew about who was evidently put up for adoption when the other kids were put into foster care. This lack of knowledge about my "roots" has always been a gaping hole in my soul for some reason. Maybe you can understand, too.
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 01:48:31 PM: Having not discovered my birth family until only 10 years ago, I fully appreciate the need for filling that "gaping hole". The knowledge of "self" is so important and some people without "the gaping hole" don't seem to understand that.
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 02:02:08 PM: Jane, Tomovoz and JMK - Yes, I really understand - or feel - what you're talking about. I always envy people who can rattle off the family tree. On the other hand, those of us for whom it's a mystery, have the infinite capacity of our imaginations to fill in the gaps. I have no idea of who any of my relatives are on my father's side and will probably never find out.
I had an older cousin who, although quite normal in other respects, came out of the Holocaust with what I suppose was some kind of protective mechanism (she and her sister were experinted on by Mengele - her sister was killed) - she was convinced that our family came from European royalty - not Jewish royalty, of course. She would go into the most elaborate tales of who was related to whom. And unless you knew the truth it made perfect sense!
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 02:02:35 PM: JMK - What a tragic story!
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 02:03:44 PM: Quote from: Jane on February 28, 2004, 12:37:56 PM
, proving I am related to a very famous rabbi known as the Goan of Vilna.

Oy! I'm impressed!
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 02:06:06 PM: Quote from: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 01:48:31 PM
Having not discovered my birth family until only 10 years ago,

If this isn't too personal, were you happy with what you discovered and did they welcome you into the fold?
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 02:10:48 PM: I've just read, in Friday's Daily Variety, a very thoughtful review of the new Fiddler. The reviewer calls it Chekovian and makes me want to see it.
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Post by: Jennifer on February 28, 2004, 02:15:50 PM: So you ask a reality show question on a day I don't have time to post :)

I'll type quickly (as I'm expecting guests any minute).

My favorites: Survivor, The Amazing Race, American Idol.

I also really like this year's show, The Apprentice.

And for DR Jed: Yes The Amazing Race is coming back (this summer I think).
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 02:17:28 PM: Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 02:06:06 PM
If this isn't too personal, were you happy with what you discovered and did they welcome you into the fold?
Mostly a positive experience. I am quite close to my full younger brother and his family. My mother and I have "drifted" a little. My father (not with my mother) has been fine but he is now 95. I am the closest to my father's son from his first marriage and his children and grandchildren. My half-brother and I are similar in so many ways. I was also forunate enough to meet my mother's mother a few years before she died. I visited her quite a few times and we were good friends. She had not known of my existence!
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Post by: Matt H. on February 28, 2004, 02:20:22 PM: THE AMAZING RACE was renewed by CBS last fall after it won the Best Reality SHow Emmy. It'll be back this summer.

"1960s/70s - Candid Camera and this one show that was sort of like star search. It had a contestant and, I think, a celebrity reenact a scene from a classic movie. Whatever the show was it was a favorite of mine as a kid around 1974 or 1975."

DR MBarnum, wasn't this Don Adams' SCREEN TEST?
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 02:32:45 PM: Thank you for answering, Tomovoz.
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 02:33:48 PM: It must have been something for your mother's mother to discover late in life that she had a grandson she did not know existed!
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 02:35:20 PM: A pleasure Panni/Anna. The conversations in the UK movie "Secrets and Lies" were very realistic. The first meeting between mother and daughter was "spot on".
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 02:40:05 PM: I think my grandmother had trouble accepting the secretiveness of my mother - a lack of trust and love! My grandmother would certainly have coped with the situation in 1945 despite the views of the world at that time. "Shame" was not part of her world when love was involved. I took my father to meet his ex mother in law a couple of times. Their meetings were a delight and so much more relaxed than those with mother and daughter!
Is there a screenplay here?
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 02:45:28 PM: Quote from: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 02:40:05 PM

Is there a screenplay here?
Yes. "Secrets and Lies" ...Unless you focused on the fascinating relationship between to old lady and the man who is the father of her daughter's child. Might be a wonderful novel first.
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 02:48:32 PM: Hate to leave this discussion, but I have some things to do. Will be back later.
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 02:51:08 PM: My father and his mother-in-law were only a few years apart in age. My father was an amateur entertainer (a ventriloquist) and had a joke about everything. He could make my grandmother laugh so easily - people think the elderly will be offended by "dirty jokes". They are not! Another side story for the novel. My two brothers hanged the ventriloquist doll at one stage!
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Post by: JMK on February 28, 2004, 02:54:01 PM: Re: screenplays. I am actually developing a screenplay combining my Uncle's spy trial with my father and his brothers' upbringing in the foster homes. Stay tuned. :)
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 03:06:49 PM: Quote from: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 01:48:31 PM
Having not discovered my birth family until only 10 years ago, I fully appreciate the need for filling that "gaping hole". The knowledge of "self" is so important and people without "the gaping hole" don't seem to understand that.
Can we amend that to "many people without the gaping hole," Tomovoz? I've known about my family history, on both sides, for what seems forever, but for some reason the two men I've had as lovers share having been adopted as part of their pasts. (That they also share being from Pennsylvania, having had children, and served in the military suggests that I've got a bizarre, obscure "type" with which I fall in love. :-\)

Jason, my first lover, had been able to track down his birth family to a little town in Ireland. Apparently, there was some concern among his brethren that he would attempt to claim part of the family inheritance, and it took him some time (and several pints) to convince them otherwise. After that, there was quite a bit of celebrating (and several more pints). So I know the look he got in his eyes, every time he told me of it. I could hear the sound of his voice in what you wrote.

Der Brucer's story is best told his way, of course. But there is something in the eyes and the voice...

Anyone sensitive to the lives of those close to them should be able to understand. I suppose there are those who only care about their own stories, and never bother to listen to anyone else's. I'd like to think I'm not part of this second group.
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Post by: MBarnum on February 28, 2004, 03:24:57 PM: Quote from: Matt H. on February 28, 2004, 02:20:22 PM

DR MBarnum, wasn't this Don Adams' SCREEN TEST?

Yes, MattH, that was the show! I was picturing Don Adam's in my head, but could't quite get his name for some reason. It was a fun show as I recall. I can remember vividly that they had contestants reenact a scene from BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN and many other classic movies. I am thinking it was one contestant matched up with some celebrity or other for each scene and then someone judged whose scene was done best.
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Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 03:31:19 PM: Quote from: MBarnum on February 28, 2004, 09:56:29 AM
DR Michael Shayne, I remember the series Sirens! Did you work on it at the same time the John Terlesky was on it? If so would you mind telling me everything there is to know about the man (one of my few modern day favorite actors)!

No. He did not make it to the syndicated version. He was replaced by Claude Genest (sp?) who was later written out of the series. The syndicated version only lasted a season.
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Post by: TCB on February 28, 2004, 04:05:09 PM: Quote from: Jane on February 28, 2004, 12:37:56 PM
Panni I would like an evening with relatives from my past. I would like to meet my mother’s father, whom I never met (due to a very sad tale). I would like to meet my father’s grandfather or any relative who can tell me where to find the connections, proving I am related to a very famous rabbi known as the Goan of Vilna.

Jane, you know the rules! No Goaning at HHW.
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Post by: Danise on February 28, 2004, 04:22:10 PM: Good evening everyone!

I received my tour bookand maps from AAA. I think I am going to be very pleased with the hotel I chose. From cross referencing the maps, it does look like I am in the heart of a lot of GREAT points of interest and just across the street from concert hall. :-)

I'm very excited about the carriage tours I read about. If I ever make to NYC, I want to take one in Central Park. I didn't know there would be one in SLC.

Now, I'm kinda sorry I didn't stay an extra day or two. I don't know if I will have time to do/see everything I want to. We'll see. :)

I'll be sure to take lots of pictures and will have quite a tale to tell I'm sure.

I'm already making my list of things to get for the trip. I'm mostly worried about the weather. I saw on the temp. chart in the tour book that May in SLC runs from 45 to 72. It was 45 in Tampa last night and that was COLD for me!

Quote from: JRand53 on February 28, 2004, 04:01:38 AM
DR Denise - great fish picture and Congrats on the diet....you have inspired me to try.... AND I am on that Ticketmaster ticket list, and you only get something once a week or so AND there is an option in each email to discontinue being on the list...and link to click...so it is easy to remove yourself....as I have been told so often to do.

I'm glad you like my fish, JRand. I think he's pretty special myself. :)

All I can say about the diet is, "Go for it!". It never hurts to try. I have to laugh at the timing. I honestly didn't start the diet because of going on these trips. It was because of what the Doctor said about my BP (which is also going down). But I won't say that I'm unhappy with it!

Thanks also for the Ticketmaster tip. I want to know the instant the tickets go on sale so I be on the phone to get them. Does that e-mail tell you ahead of time when the event your interested in is going to go on sale?

DERBRUCER said:

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Danise was happy to state:

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My face seems to be where I notice it the most.

Between your ears, we trust. We would all be chagrined should you lose your face.

She also confessed:
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...my Mom used to pack Ketchup and cheese for my lunch. I HATED them.

The Ketchup the cheese and Mom?

I don't know about the between the ears--I'm rather happy to be seeing my cheek bones again. I'm also losing my urge to crow like rooster with a waddle. :D

As far as the ketchup and cheese sandwiches--Yes I did hate them. And sometimes Mom for packing them. Yuck. Having said that, I had a toasted cheese sandwich (low fat cheese and low carb bread with I Can't Believe It's Not Butter) for dinner tonight.

I can understand how it feels to be cut off or not have family. All I have is my Mother, the dogs and the fish. When I have dark thoughts, I torture myself with thinking about what I'll do when my Mom is gone and I have an accident. "Is there someone we can call for you?" they'll ask. What will I say?

I'm not much on those shows either. I do like some game shows. I have way to many favorites both old and new to name. Right now, I like "Lingo" and "Who Wants to be a Millionare?".
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Post by: Jane on February 28, 2004, 04:36:49 PM: JMK, Panni, Tomovoz and SWW your stories are sad, beautiful and my heart feel for them all.

When I found my mother’s missing father, though in essence I only found his communal unmarked grave, I cried. The thought of it always brings tears to my eyes. As SWW put it so eloquently, I had found the piece to my gaping hole. One day I hope to go there and leave something of mine behind.
JMK I look forward to the book. It will be a success and Panni will transfer it to the big screen. :)

I thought SECRET & LIES was a wonderful, moving movie. I’m pleased to have personal insight to the mother, daughter fist meeting.
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 04:54:12 PM: Quote from: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 02:51:08 PM
My father and his mother-in-law were only a few years apart in age. My father was an amateur entertainer (a ventriloquist) and had a joke about everything. He could make my grandmother laugh so easily - people think the elderly will be offended by "dirty jokes". They are not! Another side story for the novel. My two brothers hanged the ventriloquist doll at one stage!
So why don't you write the novel, Tomovoz? Or the non-fiction autobiography?
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Post by: Lulu on February 28, 2004, 04:57:46 PM: What a great topic you proposed earlier today, Panni.

I would love to "go on a date" with Vincent Price and Coral Browne. I just have an idea they were a really fun couple. :)
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Post by: Lulu on February 28, 2004, 04:58:56 PM: Oh, and Roddy McDowall! But only if he'll tell me ALL those stories he had saved up! ;)
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 05:00:27 PM: Quote from: Jane on February 28, 2004, 04:36:49 PM

JMK I look forward to the book. It will be a success and Panni will transfer it to the big screen. :)

JMK is doing his own screenplay, Jane. I don't want to hog all the screenplay work today! :)
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Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 05:01:57 PM: Had a great afternoon with Jason Graae and Liz Callaway. My friends also wnjoyed and one especially. It seemed that we were the only ones laughing in the smallish theater which was made up of mostly older people who sat there like so much fish. They really are top notch performers. Someone should write a show for them.
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 05:08:31 PM: Quote from: Lulu on February 28, 2004, 04:58:56 PM
Oh, and Roddy McDowall! But only if he'll tell me ALL those stories he had saved up! ;)

I was once invited to a Hallmark Hall of Fame anniversary celebration. Everyone who'd had anything to do with the program for the last 20? 30? years was there. For some reason we had to walk down a long outdoor path to get to the screening theater. As I was walking I realized that Roddy McDowall was walking right in front of me. I didn't want to disturb him, but as the long walk went on I just couldn't resist. So I tapped him on the shoulder, introduced myself and said, "I just want to tell you, Mr. McDowall, how very very much I've enjoyed your work through the years."
He looked me in the eyes and replied, "Madam, you are a woman of infinite taste."

(I used a variation of the line today or yesterday with Jrand53 when he complimented something I wrote.)
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 05:13:04 PM: Quote from: Jane on February 28, 2004, 04:36:49 PM
When I found my mother’s missing father, though in essence I only found his communal unmarked grave, I cried. The thought of it always brings tears to my eyes. As SWW put it so eloquently, I had found the piece to my gaping hole. One day I hope to go there and leave something of mine behind.
I think you already did, Jane.
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 05:13:44 PM: Michael Shayne - Did you ever work with Tommy Ambrose in Canada?
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Post by: JMK on February 28, 2004, 05:14:07 PM: Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 05:00:27 PM
JMK is doing his own screenplay, Jane. I don't want to hog all the screenplay work today! :)

No doubt you will get the rewrite! LOL.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 05:49:25 PM: Good evening!

Took a very nice leisurely walk through Carytown this afternoon. Did some shopping - mainly some odds and ends. Had dinner. And now it's "Trading Spaces" time.

A nice quiet evening - which is what I'm in the mood for tonight. -And since I was up "early" at 9:00 today... We'll see if I make it past the 11:00 news tonight.

So...

Check back in later...

And thank you for sharing all your stories about family, adoptions and "gaping holes". :D
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Post by: DERBRUCER on February 28, 2004, 05:52:15 PM: Quote from: Lulu on February 28, 2004, 04:58:56 PM
Oh, and Roddy McDowall! But only if he'll tell me ALL those stories he had saved up! ;)

Too bad we all can't see his photo albums - he was quite the amateur photographer. When SWW and I went to BK's taping of a Jason Grae album at the Cinebar in Hollywood, Roddy stood in back and was snapping away.

BK, being the shy lad that he is, spent the entire evening in a Trailer parked outside!

der Brucer
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 05:59:22 PM: OUCH!!

The first "rerun" episode of "Trading Spaces" is doing the follow up with the homeowners... One couple loved their room. One couple did not love their room. At all. -And they apparently were "very kind" when they did the reveal on the show. -It was Frank's "Red Lips" room.

OUCH!
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 06:02:37 PM: Quote from: DERBRUCER on February 28, 2004, 05:52:15 PM
Too bad we all can't see his photo albums - he was quite the amateur photographer.
More than amateur, I'd say.There are 4 or 5 coffee table books of his photos available. The first is DOUBLE EXPOSURE and then, I think, DOUBLE EXPOSURE TWO, or something like that, working up to five. They're very good.
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Post by: Jay on February 28, 2004, 06:03:01 PM: I'm back. I had a most splendid day. Devoured a lamb dip at Phillipe's before my walking tour. The tour itself was interesting and the weather was really gorgeous.

The tour was sponsored by the L.A. Conservancy. They host a multitude of different walking tours of downtown L.A. (and some other L.A. neighborhoods.)

Check it out the next time you visit Lalaland:

http://www.laconservancy.org/tours/tours_main.php4 (http://www.laconservancy.org/tours/tours_main.php4)
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 06:05:01 PM: I have a friend coming to visit from Toronto, Jay, and she's been asking me about walking tours. So now I can give her the info. Thanks!
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 28, 2004, 06:07:49 PM: I have ONE of the Roddy Photo books UNFORGETTABLE HOLLYWOOD...very nice pictures.

DRJANE - I don't know Bill Rauch, but I would guess you are safe with the show, unless the Appel peel is involved someway.

DR PANNI you make me laugh....and yes, what a great subject...of course I would go out with the luscious Allison Hayes!
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Post by: Jay on February 28, 2004, 06:12:42 PM: If I recall correctly (IIRC in internet lingo), the question this morning was about reality shows. I pish-posh most of them, believing them, based on what I've read, anti-intellectual, unfunny and, in some cases, mean-spirited.

One exception I would like to cite, however, is "Taxicab Confidential." I only saw it a couple of times a few years ago when I was on business travel, as I never subscribed to HBO at home. It's a variation on "Candid Camera," in which taxicab passengers, unbeknownst to them, are videotaped. The cab driver encourages his/her fares to talk, and talk they do.

I was completely mesmerized by the tales I heard. At first I thought this show absolutely had to be scripted, as the passengers were very articulate and their stories were incredibly engaging and touching and/or sad and/or funny and spoke volumes about the human condition.

But they are real stories. The producers of this show must have gone through lots and lots of passengers to get the stories they put into the programs.
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Post by: Jay on February 28, 2004, 06:14:07 PM: Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 06:05:01 PM
I have a friend coming to visit from Toronto, Jay, and she's been asking me about walking tours. So now I can give her the info. Thanks!

Most excellent. Who says this here site doesn't serve a practical purpose?
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 06:16:07 PM: Jay - I'm glad you decided to unselfishly share Monty. I've even written a play (well, half-written) in which his name figures prominently in the title.
I haven't answered my own question... I think I'd like to spend an evening with Dylan Thomas. He'd probably get roaring drunk, which I wouldn't like one bit - but still. Another one would be Leonard Cohen (which is actually possible - so it's not as much fun to think about). I lean towards poets, I guess, when it comes to fantasy outings, Monty we've got covered 'cause Jay is sharing. I'll have to think of others...
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 06:19:02 PM: Quote from: Jay on February 28, 2004, 06:12:42 PM
One exception I would like to cite, however, is "Taxicab Confidential."

Love it! I don't know when it's on, so I only catch it accidentally when I do, but it's fabulous. Within one show you can cringe in disgust and five minutes later be weeping or laughing your head off. Great show.
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Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 06:21:17 PM: I am back from a long day of shooting. We ultimately only had two marks go for the bit, but they both bought it hook, line, and sinker and there's some really funny stuff. I got very sunburned (who knew a) the sun would even be out, and b) that it would be so strong), and now look red as a beet. Both marks told me they bought the bit because I was so convincing and sincere, so that was nice. At the end of the bit we did a Candid Camera-type "reveal" and our first mark was so hilarious when I pointed out where the cameras were that he must have lauged for ten minutes straight - really funny. If I dyed my hair blonde I could be a surfer dude. Thanks to all for keeping the home fries burning.
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 28, 2004, 06:33:28 PM: Taxicab Confessions - what people won't say or do if they think they are completely alone with a complete stranger....one they will never see again.... And the heartbreaking stories have stayed in my mind from only one viewing of each episode.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on February 28, 2004, 06:33:35 PM: Nice fish, Danise!

Tom, I always love your bird pictures.

Reality Shows: COPS

Dream Date: Donny Osmond, of course. He's still groovy.
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 06:38:30 PM: Quote from: Jay on February 28, 2004, 06:03:01 PM
...I had a most splendid day. Devoured a lamb dip at Phillipe's before my walking tour....
NOT to be confused with a sheep dip! :P
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 06:41:28 PM: Quote from: bk on February 28, 2004, 06:21:17 PM
...I got very sunburned (who knew a) the sun would even be out, and b) that it would be so strong), and now look red as a beet....
I've always had the worst time with hazy/overcast days, the sort where I'd forget that the UV rays would burn through the cloud cover.

On the other hand, there are golden beets, a little harder to find but I understand quite tasty. Here's hoping that's the direction you head in, and that this just gives you a head start on a great summer tan!
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Post by: Jane on February 28, 2004, 06:46:45 PM: Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 05:00:27 PM
JMK is doing his own screenplay, Jane. I don't want to hog all the screenplay work today! :)

Oops, I’m very sorry JMK. You wrote screenplay and my brain registered novel.

Panni, thank you very much for pointing out my error.
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Post by: Jay on February 28, 2004, 06:49:07 PM: Quote from: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 06:38:30 PM
NOT to be confused with a sheep dip! :P

Definitely not! Phillipe's famous French Dip: thinly sliced tender and delicious roast beef on a roll that has been dipped in delectable beef jus.

Lamb dip: the same only substitute "lamb" for "beef" above.

In both cases: slather with incredibly hot but delicious mustard.

Sheep dips are an entirely different story.
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Post by: Jay on February 28, 2004, 06:51:25 PM: Quote from: JRand53 on February 28, 2004, 06:33:28 PM
Taxicab Confessions - what people won't say or do if they think they are completely alone with a complete stranger....one they will never see again.... And the heartbreaking stories have stayed in my mind from only one viewing of each episode.

Taxicab Confessions. Forgive me if I mangled the title.

I agree. I can relate with some detail today the stories from an episode I saw years ago.
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Post by: Jane on February 28, 2004, 06:57:54 PM: Quote from: JRand53 on February 28, 2004, 06:07:49 PM
DRJANE - I don't know Bill Rauch, but I would guess you are safe with the show, unless the Appel peel is involved someway.

I can't find any evidence of her involvement, unless she hired the director. ::) I will ask my friends for feed back before I purchase tickets.
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Post by: Danise on February 28, 2004, 06:58:00 PM: I LOVE Roddy McDowall's voice. He was one of those who could say "Shoehorn" and make it sound great.

Humm, I missed the "date" question. Not romantic just friends, right? Errol Flynn? (I'm assuming he would have aged so a romantic date would be out. I'd still like to meet/talk with him). Geee... Frank Herbert would be GREAT choice. I'd LOVE to talk/ discuss Dune with him.

Humm, it's hard to seperate romantic from "just" friend!
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 28, 2004, 06:59:50 PM: OMG two really nice rooms on Trading Spaces.....of course they had two designers who are interested in making rooms to LIVE in!

Edward & Kristie are maybe my favorites....where has Vern been this year?
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Post by: td on February 28, 2004, 07:00:22 PM: DR Panni, she of the infinite taste, and I should go on a double date since she wants to go out with Leonard Cohen, and I want to go out with his foremost interpreter, Jennifer Warnes. ;)
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Post by: td on February 28, 2004, 07:01:39 PM: Page Five!

I'm dancing!

(of course, Sutton Foster is singing "Forget About the Boy" on stereo; can't help dancin').
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 28, 2004, 07:03:10 PM: OH! DRDanise....I think you get the email as soon as the tickets go on sale....AS SOON AS! You do get a teaser email a bit ahead of time to let you know a bit before the sale begins if you asked for it.
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Post by: Jane on February 28, 2004, 07:03:13 PM: Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 05:13:04 PM
I think you already did, Jane.

Thank you.

I enjoyed your funny Roddy McDowall story. He seems like a person I would have fun spending time with.

I believe Keith has a DVD for us to watch.
Good night.
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Post by: td on February 28, 2004, 07:05:46 PM: Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 04:54:12 PM
So why don't you write the novel, Tomovoz? Or the non-fiction autobiography?

Perhaps if Tomovoz and I collaborated, we could really tell tales.
For those who don't know:
I am my very own second cousin. Yes, I am my mother's sister's daughter's child.(could explain a lot, then again, it might not).
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Post by: Jrand73 on February 28, 2004, 07:05:52 PM: Oh wait....maybe I would like to entertain Jonathan & Darlene Edwards at my house.... And then have Mr BK come in after dinner (he would like the Spam sandwiches I would serve as a main course) to discuss a new album with them.... Jonathan & Darlene Do It To Bacharach!
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Post by: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 07:11:38 PM: Will you be wearing that famous raincoat on that date td?
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 07:11:43 PM: THE FANTASY DATE: It would have been interesting to dine with James Beard. Something tells me that we'd start in the kitchen, with him doing the cooking, of course. I wouldn't have minded the chance to be his sous chef one bit.

But the table needs a few others to round things out. Noel Coward, perhaps, and definitely Dorothy Fields. Ira Gershwin. And Alton Brown (just to have someone who would be my own contemporary, and I'm afraid that Anthony Bourdain would be too boorish).

Six should be plenty for the table, I think.

(There's lots of leftovers in the fridge, der B. Don't wait up!)
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Post by: td on February 28, 2004, 07:13:50 PM: Quote from: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 07:11:38 PM
Will you be wearing that famous raincoat on that date td?
I'd have to defer to DR Panni, if I were wearing my famous blue raincoat, I wouldn't want to clash with her very own fashion statement. ;)
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Post by: Matt H. on February 28, 2004, 07:18:22 PM: There was a movie trivia syndicated quiz show in the 1970s hosted by Larry Blyden that I always greatly enjoyed. I always wanted to try to get on that show, but it was done in LA, and I was working and never available to fly out there (and on a teacher's salary back then, couldn't have afforded it anyway).
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Post by: Danise on February 28, 2004, 07:19:27 PM: Thanks a BUNCH Jrand! I think I will put my work e-mail address in. All I need to see is that I've received an e-mail from Ticketmaster and I'll call ASAP!
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 07:23:59 PM: Quote from: Matt H. on February 28, 2004, 07:18:22 PM
There was a movie trivia syndicated quiz show in the 1970s hosted by Larry Blyden that I always greatly enjoyed....
Could the title have been Personality? Or, digging further, there was another show he hosted called The Movie Game, which may be more likely.

(Where DO they come up with these unusual titles?)
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Post by: Matt H. on February 28, 2004, 07:42:21 PM: THE MOVIE GAME does sound more like it. I remember the game had sometimes video clips from films, sometimes audio clips, and sometimes, they'd bring out a prop trunk and pull objects from films out and ask the player to identify the movie it came from (there was usually a clue that went with the prop). For awhile, it was a very popular syndicated show, but just as quickly as it rose in popularity, it fell and was canceled.
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 07:42:40 PM: Quote from: td on February 28, 2004, 07:05:46 PM
I am my very own second cousin. Yes, I am my mother's sister's daughter's child.(could explain a lot, then again, it might not).
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My head is spinning and I'm not even Linda Blair!
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Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 07:43:06 PM: What did everyone eat for dinner? In loving detail, please.
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Post by: Danise on February 28, 2004, 07:47:42 PM: A grilled cheese sandwich. Low fat cheese, low carb bread, I Can't Believe It's Not Butter and a bottle on zero carb, zero calories, zero fat, zero sodium, zero taste Purified Drinking Water with Flavor Enhancing (?) Minerals.
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 07:48:30 PM: Quote from: bk on February 28, 2004, 07:43:06 PM
What did everyone eat for dinner? In loving detail, please.
Greek salad from Gelson's with a hardboiled egg chopped into it and a side of leftover almond chicken salad also from Gelson's. Washed down with a Diet Cherry Coke. And frozen roast chestnuts for dessert.
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Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 07:48:36 PM: How was the low-carb bread? I haven't gotten up the nerve to try it yet.
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Post by: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 07:50:04 PM: I registered, I posted, and then I fell off the face of the earth! Let's try this hhw newbie thing again, shall we?

I went to a camp (The site of the "Sound of Music" fiaso!) very similar to the one that "Camp" is based on, which had an enormous influence on my reception of the film. When I was a camper at Usdan, I often had a tendency to step outside of the silly fun that we were all having in order to just take in my surroundings and think about the incredible potential that all these kids had. I was the philosophical kid at the picnic table, perpetually singing "Our Time" instead of just looking at the damn satellite. Seeing as I was nostalgic for camp while I was still there, seeing "Camp" just turned me into a blubbering, emotional mess! I was so moved by how accurately they captured what happens at a performing arts camp. Theatre kids go off to summer camp in order to escape from the cliques of high school (Where they are generally made fun of and excluded), but as soon as they get there, they seize the opportunity to create new cliques where they can make fun of and exclude other people. I think that someone seeing "Camp" could easily tell that these kids have very different lives when they're back home, going to school. "Camp" captures the talent and potential (That, for many kids, will probably go unfulfilled) of theatre kids while also showing that they're pompous, narcisistic, over-achievers. I found the "Follies" sequence absolutely hilarious because a few summers ago, I was a part of an equally absurd teenage production of "Anyone Can Whistle" at my own performing arts camp. The "Dreamgirls" situation is sort of similar to what happened when I did "Sound Of Music". I think that "Camp" is mainly for the people who experienced it. It depicts us really honestly and, since according to "Camp" we're all horribly self-absorbed (And we are!), we like that.
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Post by: Danise on February 28, 2004, 07:53:35 PM: It's an aquired taste. I'm joking. It's really not that bad. I still can't get over how a loaf of "low carb" costs almost $3.00 but the bad stuff is less than half that.
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Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 07:54:48 PM: Thanks for your opposing viewpoint, Jenny. I know it was liked by those who've experienced it first-hand. I just thought it wasn't done well enough, and I wanted more atmosphere (even the geography of the camp would have been nice) and more with the teachers (who are just ciphers, really) and more joy. I wanted more joy.
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Post by: td on February 28, 2004, 07:54:55 PM: Quote from: bk on February 28, 2004, 07:43:06 PM
What did everyone eat for dinner? In loving detail, please.

Chunky Chicken Corn Chowder
DiGiorno Sausage Pepperoni Pizza (augmented, of course)
Vanilla Milk Shake (made with Egg Beaters, Boost Energy Drink and Ben 7 Jerry's Ice Cream).

Quote
My head is spinning and I'm not even Linda Blair!

Panni - would a dinner with Leonard and Jennifer help? We could eat at an abandoned luncheonette. . .
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 07:57:05 PM: Leftover roast lamb, which I spiffed up with smashed potatoes and a mushroom gravy, and braised leeks. First time I've tried braised leeks, and they were yummilicious, so this won't be the last time!

(By the way, I've found it handy to make a batch of roux in advance, which I keep in a plastic bag in the butter compartment of the fridge. That way, when I want to thicken a sauce or gravy, it's already ready.

Basic roux: one part butter to one part flour (tsp per tsp). Melt butter in saucepan, dump in butter and keep stirring as it cooks. After five minutes or so, it should start to take on a nice golden color and smell slightly nutty. This a) makes the flour blend in better with sauces, and b) gets the raw flour taste out of the flour.

Of course, when I'm making it in advance, I make more than just a tsp/tsp at a time, silly!)
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Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 07:58:33 PM: Oh, and Jenny, don't be dropping off the face of the earth. We like you here, and you write well and have interesting things to say. So there.
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 08:00:27 PM: Quote from: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 07:50:04 PM
I registered, I posted, and then I fell off the face of the earth! Let's try this hhw newbie thing again, shall we?
Jenny, my love, hang in there! You're only 490 posts away from becoming a Goddess! :D
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:02:21 PM: Quote from: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 07:50:04 PM
I think that "Camp" is mainly for the people who experienced it.

Glad to see you back, DR Jenny. I certainly appreciate your take (and so articulately expressed!) on CAMP. But, from my POV, speaking as a screenwriter, making a movie that works for people who've experienced its subject matter ain't good enough. Whatever one may think of GONE WITH THE WIND, you didn't have to go through the Civil War to appreciate it; you didn't have to be friendly with midgets and have lived through a tornado to adore THE WIZARD OF OZ. Well, I could go on, but I'm sure you get my point.
Now, as it is, many people loved CAMP. I just get annoyed with films which are unprofessional on so many levels. And, let me repeat, I'm not saying that I'm right, you're wrong, or anything of the sort. Just expressing my view of the film.
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Post by: Danise on February 28, 2004, 08:04:28 PM: I'm listening to some of my favorite piano music (Who Wants To Live Forever from Highlander) and just had a thought--I really liked the theme to The Incredible Hulk TV series with Bill Bixby. Does anyone know if that was ever released on CD/LP?
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Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 08:08:42 PM: On the other hand it did have Anna Kendrick, someone I'd hire in a heartbeat to do any album I produced.
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:09:56 PM: I'm thinking of going to bed REALLY early tonight and spending hours reading. I love reading in bed. But when I go to bed late - as I usually do - I read for ten minutes, or less, and get sleepy.
So... that's my exciting plan for tonight. The glamorous life of a Hollywood scribe, m'dears... the excitement just never ends!
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:11:05 PM: Quote from: bk on February 28, 2004, 08:08:42 PM
On the other hand it did have Anna Kendrick, someone I'd hire in a heartbeat to do any album I produced.
It's been some time since I saw it, which one was she?
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Post by: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 08:11:27 PM: Quote from: bk on February 28, 2004, 07:54:48 PM
Thanks for your opposing viewpoint, Jenny. I know it was liked by those who've experienced it first-hand. I just thought it wasn't done well enough, and I wanted more atmosphere (even the geography of the camp would have been nice) and more with the teachers (who are just ciphers, really) and more joy. I wanted more joy.

I've wiped my eyes and I'm ready to stop talking about "Camp" with nostalgia! Okay! ::Cracks knuckles::

I agree that it wasn't done particularly well. It was filmed at Stagedoor Manor, an absolutely beautiful summer camp in NY, and I don't understand why they didn't take advantage of that location. The acting is pretty crummy, and I agree that it would be nice for the characters of the teachers to be better developed. At least in my experience, the teachers had an enormous influence on their students; in fact, the kids positively woshipped them! They should have played a more key part in the film. I certainly found the movie to be joyful (Especially the musical numbers), but I think that I might be misinterpreting your point. I think that it's a great movie for people who can relate to the experience of attending a performing arts camp, but that's not an enormous group of people. I imagine that "Camp" isn't the least bit entertaining for someone who hasn't experienced that, and it must be positively hellish for a viewer who doesn't love musical theatre!

I just saw a quote that relates to "Camp" that I really like. Todd Graff said this of the actual camp that the movie is based on: "I was born at Stagedoor Manor. The camp is like Oz. Your real life is in black and white, but the minute you step off the bus, everything is in color."

Dammit! I promised to stop getting sentimental!
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Post by: Danise on February 28, 2004, 08:11:51 PM: Well, it IS late here on the East coast and I think it's time for me to hit the hay. I have lots and lots to do on the morrow.

Good night all!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 08:14:01 PM: Quote from: Jay on February 28, 2004, 06:49:07 PM
Phillipe's famous French Dip: thinly sliced tender and delicious roast beef on a roll that has been dipped in delectable beef jus.

Lamb dip: the same only substitute "lamb" for "beef" above.

In both cases: slather with incredibly hot but delicious mustard.

Hmmm..... Such wonderful culinary memories! :D

Did you get a double-dip?
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:17:53 PM: I should rephrase my Anna Kendrick question. What did she sing?
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Post by: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 08:18:30 PM: Quote from: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 08:00:27 PM
Jenny, my love, hang in there! You're only 490 posts away from becoming a Goddess! :D

Yay!

Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:02:21 PM
Glad to see you back, DR Jenny.

YAY!

Quote from: bk on February 28, 2004, 07:58:33 PM
Oh, and Jenny, don't be dropping off the face of the earth. We like you here, and you write well and have interesting things to say. So there.

YAY!

:)
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Post by: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 08:19:49 PM: Quote from: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:17:53 PM
I should rephrase my Anna Kendrick question. What did she sing?

She played Fritzi and sang the second half of "Ladies Who Lunch".
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Post by: CharlieToft on February 28, 2004, 08:20:56 PM: Yikes. I went to Usdan. Didn't go as a performing arts student, but rather as a painter and visual arts kid.

The only two things thing I really remember well are my painting teacher - a huge, flamboyant queen with whom I subsequently met up with (many years later) at a bar and the buildings on the facility which were very beauifully constructed out of dark wood with very large, airy interiors.
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Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:23:10 PM: For some stupid reason I'm still hungry. :P
I may have some cereal. Description for bk: Medley, the cereal lovers cereal "If you harbour a secret desre to mix breakfast cereals, it's a passion we share with you.".
It has raisins, apples, Cheerio-tyoe "O's", flakes and granola. AND I put blueberries on top. Just writing about it and I'm full.
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Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 08:23:51 PM: Oh, Jenny, I love the IDEA of Camp. And I thought it had the potential of being brilliant. The numbers ARE fun. By "joy" I mean we never really see the absolute joy that these kids should get out of the experience - I'm speaking of the characters. I never got the chill factor believing that they had stepped into Oz. That IS a great quote and it IS what the movie should have been but isn't. Todd Graff goes on and on about why he opened the movie with that endless number, and I'm sure it made perfect sense TO HIM. For an audience looking to become involved in a film, it starts the movie off on such a wrong note I felt it basically killed it. We're all Monday morning quarterbacks or, at the very least, Tuesday morning half-dollarbacks, but it should have started with either the arrival at camp or a swift montage of our characters packing and preparing - something dynamic, fun, exciting and that would show the thrill of the adventure they're about to embark on. Instead we get this strange number sung by characters we haven't met and know nothing about and it's just deadly.

Again, there is no wrong or right, it's just what makes horse-racing.

Panni, Anna Kendrick was the slavish girl, the one who "took care of" the spoiled rich kid, and then poisoned her and took over The Ladies Who Lunch. I thought Anna's version of that song was really spectacular.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 08:23:54 PM: Quote from: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 07:57:05 PM
(By the way, I've found it handy to make a batch of roux in advance, which I keep in a plastic bag in the butter compartment of the fridge. That way, when I want to thicken a sauce or gravy, it's already ready.

Basic roux: one part butter to one part flour (tsp per tsp). Melt butter in saucepan, dump in butter and keep stirring as it cooks. After five minutes or so, it should start to take on a nice golden color and smell slightly nutty. This a) makes the flour blend in better with sauces, and b) gets the raw flour taste out of the flour.

Of course, when I'm making it in advance, I make more than just a tsp/tsp at a time, silly!)

Have you tried one of those canned - well, bottled - rouxs that are on the market? Pretty darn good - and a big time saver. Oh, these are rouxs for making gumbo, etoufee, etc... Cajun food. No need to stand over a pot of roux, stirring and stirring for hours on end. I gave them a chance after seeing a clip on "Food Finds"... glad I did.

*I also have to thank "Food Finds" for introducing me to Dinstuhl's Candies in Memphis, TN. That Cashew Crunch is totally addictive. And their chocolate covered grapes(s), chocolate covered strawberries, and chocolate covered raspberries(!!!) are amazing too! They cover the whole fruit, so that the fruit stays very juicy and delicious! -And they ship too!

And don't get me started on Jane & Michael Stern's "Road Food" columns...

-Hmm.. I'm getting hungry! Wonder why?!?!?
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Post by: JMK on February 28, 2004, 08:25:09 PM: Matt: It was indeed The Movie Game with Larry Blyden. It was syndicated and it used to be on Channel 12 in Seattle when I was a kid. I used to watch it every day when I got home from school

BK: go to Ralph's (it's not Gelson's, but then, what is) and get the new Oroweat Carb Counting Whole Wheat Bread. It's surprisingly good. I've lost significant poundage just switching to it.
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Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 08:30:12 PM: Ooh, I'll try it. That would make this diet so much easier - to just be able to eat sandwiches again. I would be little BK, happy at last.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 08:30:15 PM: Quote from: bk on February 28, 2004, 08:23:51 PM
Panni, Anna Kendrick was the slavish girl, the one who "took care of" the spoiled rich kid, and then poisoned her and took over The Ladies Who Lunch. I thought Anna's version of that song was really spectacular.

Oh Yes! I remember her now. She was very very good. I got chills when she sang Ladies - the way I always do when I see a fabulous musical performance.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 08:30:53 PM: Have I mentioned that I am completely red-faced on account of the sun shining on me all the livelong day.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 08:33:34 PM: Now this is a Saturday night, baby! Has anyone noticed that we have twelve GUESTS as well as nine posters? GUESTS, come on in, the water's fine.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Charles Pogue on February 28, 2004, 08:35:43 PM: I had turkey, gravy, and smashed taters for dinner, topped off with tapioca pudding with whipped cream and a handful of Dots candy. They're selling big boxes of Dots down at Bed, Bath, and Beyond for only 99 cents.

Frustrations of frustrations. Roddy McDowell left an autobiography but with the caveat that it could not be published until fifty years after his death. Finally, the one bio I'd really loved to read and I'll be dead when it comes out. What tales I imagine he tells. Met him once when a friend was doing Charley's Aunt with him in Dinner Theatre. Very nice man.

Was watching Roddy's and Donald Crisp's wonderful performances in John Ford's as-close-to-perfect-as- anything-gets movie, HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY last night on TCM...easily one of my top ten favourite movies of all time, probably one of my top five.

Dream Date...Sophia Loren! But nothing sexual can happen? Can't I at least give it the old college try? Maybe first or second base?
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 08:42:39 PM: Quote from: bk on February 28, 2004, 08:23:51 PM
Oh, Jenny, I love the IDEA of Camp. And I thought it had the potential of being brilliant. The numbers ARE fun. By "joy" I mean we never really see the absolute joy that these kids should get out of the experience - I'm speaking of the characters. I never got the chill factor believing that they had stepped into Oz. That IS a great quote and it IS what the movie should have been but isn't. Todd Graff goes on and on about why he opened the movie with that endless number, and I'm sure it made perfect sense TO HIM. For an audience looking to become involved in a film, it starts the movie off on such a wrong note I felt it basically killed it. We're all Monday morning quarterbacks or, at the very least, Tuesday morning half-dollarbacks, but it should have started with either the arrival at camp or a swift montage of our characters packing and preparing - something dynamic, fun, exciting and that would show the thrill of the adventure they're about to embark on. Instead we get this strange number sung by characters we haven't met and know nothing about and it's just deadly.

I couldn't agree more about the opening number (Which I had completely forgotten about)! I like to pretend that it never happened and that it was a coming attraction or something. The film could easily begin with the scenes depicting the campers in their every day high school lives (Ellen's brother making fun of her, Michael getting beat up at the prom, etc.) and then segue into the arrival at camp, and that would be a much better opening. I can't think of any logical reason for that song begining the movie. I think that that "chill factor" that you mentioned could have been achieved had a character experiencing summer camp for the very first time (Besides Vlad who has no personality) been added. Someone who could be completely in awe and overjoyed to be there. Not only was the movie lacking joy, it also lacked the sadness that these kids must have felt at the end of the summer. Come to think of it, the musical number that ends the movie is just as random and pointless as the one that begins it! "Camp" has a lot of heart and it is a truly wonderful idea, but you're completely right that it wasn't executed the right way. I think that Graff almost loved the subject of "Camp" too much to do it the right way. It seems that there were so many experiences that he wanted to include that he couldn't properly flesh out any of them. Also, he seems to have made it with the idea that everyone has had these experiences in mind. This film could easily have been made so that people who went to football camp or, I don't know, horseback riding academy could relate to it. Sadly, that's not the case.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: td on February 28, 2004, 08:44:34 PM: Bk is red-faced while td is incredibly blonder! I took a long, well-deserved drive to a music store this afternoon (with the sunroof opened wide); sunlight streaming onto my too-long locks as the wind blew it all asunder.
This music store is fantastic, but, it is far from town, and I am even further from town! Probably fifteen miles outside of the city of Pittsburgh, while I myself am twenty-three. It's still the finest music store in the area, and I do so love a good browse.
I picked up what I went for (3 Joe Nichols songs. . .for a refresher, check out the notes from the other day http://www.haineshisway.com/community/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=188;start=150 ), the Vocal Selections for Thoroughly Modern Millie and a score which I've been searching for for years: THE BOYS FROM SYRACUSE.
Tonight I picked out the arrangements on the piano while listening to the respective cds; now, I believe it is indeed time for bed. OR, maybe, I'll be a late-nite denizen again. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? (ah! a jerry herman reference!)
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Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 08:49:13 PM: Jenny: Exactly right, and very well put.

Don't forget to visit The DVD Place at http://dvds.allaccessworld.com

I've posted my Camp thoughts there, and there a litte different than what I wrote here in my notes.

Isn't it funny? As soon as I pointed out our twelve GUESTS, they took to the hills. What is it with these guests?
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Post by: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 08:53:48 PM: And to respond to something completely different...

My favorite reality shows are "An American Family", "Subway Q&A" (Does that only air in NY?), and "American High".

And I'd go on my celebrity date with Oscar Wilde. We'd have a ball! A blast! A gay old time!
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 08:55:49 PM: Oscar Wilde? Yes, you'd have a Wilde time all right. I'm watching The Children's Hour. Not so great William Wyler.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 08:57:54 PM: Thanks for pointing out the DVD Place, BK! Now I have yet another site to distract me from my chem homework! ;)
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 09:02:01 PM: Post your thoughts there, too, if you have a moment. We're trying to turn it into a lovely place and need all the help we can get giving it the HHW vibe or, at the very least, the HHW xylophone.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 09:07:00 PM: Quote from: bk on February 28, 2004, 09:02:01 PM
Post your thoughts there, too, if you have a moment. We're trying to turn it into a lovely place and need all the help we can get giving it the HHW vibe or, at the very least, the HHW xylophone.

I'm not sure if I can achieve the HHW vibe or even xylophone, but I have faith that I can provide the HHW synthesizer. Perhaps I'll post there! (Then again, I said those exact words to derBrucer about HHW months ago and it took me an awfully long time to actually do it!)
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Jed on February 28, 2004, 09:11:11 PM: How perfect that I catch up on the afternoon's posts, finding things about Jane, JMK, and Tomovoz's mysterious family pasts. It's just so wonderfully fitting, as I've had a strangely productive day...

My father's father, James, has always been a genealogical enigma (as is my other grandfather's history, for that matter). We've known his name and birth date/location, but nothing more about him since he last visited my dad and uncle on dad's 8th birthday. My dad had done some digging about three years ago, and found info about James' parents and siblings, but nothing at all recent. Dad mentioned to me the other day that he was gonna start digging again, so I decided to try to help out. Well, I was far more successful than we possibly could have hoped for!

I first found out that my grandfather James had died just in July 2002 (making it clear why we hadn't found any death record in our 2001 searching :)). More searching throughout the day, and we discovered that my dad has three half-sisters in Oregon and a half-brother (we think he's also in Oregon) out there that we never knew about! So, just an hour or so ago, my father called up and talked to his sister Rhonda, neither of them having known that the other existed before today. Quite bizarre all this! Rhonda is going to contact her two sisters and fill them in on all this. The sisters know nothing of the other half-brother out there, so we're still hunting for info on him.

A very interesting day, I'd say! :D
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: td on February 28, 2004, 09:14:01 PM: Verrrrry interesting, DR Jed, but, where is your father TCB tonight?
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 09:14:31 PM: Well, posting here is definitely more important than posting there - because this will soon be the most popular site on all the Internet. Since you came from the Sondheim board - do you have all the Sondheim albums I produced? Yes or no?
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 09:19:46 PM: Quote from: Charles Pogue on February 28, 2004, 08:35:43 PM
I had turkey, gravy, and smashed taters for dinner, topped off with tapioca pudding with whipped cream and a handful of Dots candy. They're selling big boxes of Dots down at Bed, Bath, and Beyond for only 99 cents.

Dream Date...Sophia Loren! But nothing sexual can happen? Can't I at least give it the old college try? Maybe first or second base?

First - the meal - eccentric but yummy. I see you're not on the Atkins Diet, FS Pogue.

As for Sophia - NO bases. I asked the question and I made up the rules. So NO touching, you hear? Anyway, she's too old for you. And what would the lovely Julianne say?
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Ann on February 28, 2004, 09:22:10 PM: Hello everyone! I'm backstage (kinda) at opening night of Pirates of Penzance! It's going really well, and the audience is the BEST! They laugh at everything...

Wish us luck!
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 09:22:56 PM: Quote from: td on February 28, 2004, 09:14:01 PM
Verrrrry interesting, DR Jed, but, where is your father TCB tonight?
My thoughts too! Why did you just not ask TCB for the family history?
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 09:24:08 PM: Be careful if anyone signs you up for an apprenticeship DR Ann.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Ann on February 28, 2004, 09:26:34 PM: tomovoz - I'm just glad tomorrow isn't my birthday :D
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 09:28:08 PM: Ann - You're backstage right now?
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 09:29:31 PM: Quote from: Jed on February 28, 2004, 09:11:11 PM
...dad's 8th birthday...

8th?! I know that puberty hits young these days, but this is just ridiculous! ;)

Quote from: bk on February 28, 2004, 09:14:31 PM
Since you came from the Sondheim board - do you have all the Sondheim albums I produced? Yes or no?

Well, not all, but I did just get "A Broadway Christmas" for eight bucks at Food Town! ...Which I think is pretty darn cool.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 09:30:00 PM: Tomovoz - I have no idea of the time difference between here (LA) and Australia. I could look it up, I suppose, but why bother when I can ask you, which is so much easier and more fun. So -- what time is it?
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 09:46:08 PM: I have this uncontrollable desire to...

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%][size=20]Make Cocolate Chip Cookies!!![/size][/move]

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%][size=20]Must Be Fresh!!![/size][/move]

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%][size=20]Must Be Chunky!!![/size][/move]

Sort of a Little Shop of Horrors reference!
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Post by: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 09:48:28 PM: And I have an uncontrollable desire to go to Woody's house for cookies! Yum!
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 09:49:09 PM: Okay, I guess I won't find out the time in Australia until tomorrow.
I was going to go to bed to read an hour ago and I'm still sitting in front of the computer. And now it is no longer early for bed. An hour ago was early for bed. Now it's nothing special. And I still haven't eaten the cereal I was planning to eat before I went early to bed. The cereal box is sitting her on top of my desk like so much fish.
So I'll say good-night, eat some cereal and read.
Remember FS Pogue - no touching Sophia.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Panni on February 28, 2004, 09:50:48 PM: OOOOO.... I just saw the chocolate chip cookie message. You are EVIL, SWW!
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Tomovoz on February 28, 2004, 09:56:24 PM: Oz is 19 hours ahead of Pacific time. It is nearly 5.00pm here Sunday.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Jed on February 28, 2004, 10:03:34 PM: Quote from: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 09:29:31 PM

8th?! I know that puberty hits young these days, but this is just ridiculous! ;)

Yes, my dad's 8th birthday... some 22 years before I was born. :)
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 10:22:56 PM: DR Panni:

Never had the pleasure of working with him, but knew of him.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 10:23:56 PM: I got very tired all of a sudden around 8pm est and the next thing I knew it was the next day.

I had Hawaiin pizza for dinner tonight
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 10:25:41 PM: Anna Kendricks was one of the highlights of My Favorite Broadway: The Leading Ladies. She sang Life Upon the Wicked stage and she was backd up by the then current Kit Kat Klub Girls from Cabaret. A amussingly staged version
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 10:32:05 PM: Tonight's Dinner - Campbell's Soup - Beef, Portabella Mushroom and Rice. Not quite "Mmm Mmm Good" - but at least "Mmm Good". ;)

-I was at the grocery, there's a slight chill in the air, and I felt like soup... so...

Dream Dates:
John F. Kennedy - Always had a fascination with him. When I was in grade school, we always had some sort of project around the anniversary of his assassination. -And, as it turned out, November 22 is also the anniversary of my "coming out".

Nadia Boulanger - Just to meet someone who influenced almost every major composer in the first part of this century.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 10:34:43 PM: DR Michael Shayne - I thought for a sec that your new pic was the new logo for the Roundabout Assassins. -It's a little menacing... unsettling... in a gun pointing-at-you way.

:o

;)
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 10:35:34 PM: I just notice that MGM home video has released the film Camp. I think maybe Arthur Freed might be turning over in his grave.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 10:36:40 PM: Like I said before it was from the tv series Sirens, but I think I will remove it as people have found it unsettling
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 10:38:47 PM: OOHH!!!

Semi-Random Thought at 1:37AM EST -

What was that game show/reality show from the early 80's (?) that was hosted by Peter Marshall and Leslie Uggams? "Fantasy" - ??? It was a "make your dream come true" type of show. However, the segment I remember was a makeover of this one guy. The transformation was so drastic, even a few of his relatives didn't recognize him. Heck, even I thought they had substituted another person. -It was one of those "really long hair" to "really short hair" makeovers.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 10:40:32 PM: Quote from: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 10:38:47 PM
OOHH!!!

Semi-Random Thought at 1:37AM EST -

What was that game show/reality show from the early 80's (?) that was hosted by Peter Marshall and Leslie Uggams? "Fantasy" - ??? It was a "make your dream come true" type of show. However, the segment I remember was a makeover of this one guy. The transformation was so drastic, even a few of his relatives didn't recognize him. Heck, even I thought they had substituted another person. -It was one of those "really long hair" to "really short hair" makeovers.

I believe Leslie Uggams also won an Emmy for that show
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 10:41:04 PM: Oh.. Wasn't really asking for it to be taken off...

I guess it was the fact that the avatar was kind of blurry... that added air of mystery so to speak.

Do you have a non-blurry version you could post? One where we would be able to see your face?
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 10:44:15 PM: [move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]!!!200TH POST DANCE!!![/move]
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Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 10:46:13 PM: Actually no. This was taken from a distance so that the whole set the front of the police station could be seen. I don't remember if I have any other photos from the show. My mother recently visited me and surprised me with them.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 10:46:29 PM: DR SWW - Well, you know, I did buy some really nice pecan halves when I was at the grocery store... and some butter (unsalted, of course)... Hmm...
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 10:50:00 PM: OH!! -Again...

When I went to see In America (again) yesterday, I noticed lobby cards for:

Walking Tall - With "The Rock" - Did this movie need to be re-made? And with "The Rock"?
and
Dawn of the Dead - Hasn't this one already been re-made?
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 10:50:36 PM: Quote from: Jenny on February 28, 2004, 09:48:28 PM
And I have an uncontrollable desire to go to Woody's house for cookies! Yum!
Bring along your chem homework, so you and der Brucer can work on it together.

(I'll have to make another batch for when Panni arrives... by the time her cross-country flight arrives, the original will be gone! ;D)

PS: They came out better than ever! Along with my usual additions to the Tollhouse recipe (2 T molasses, 1/2 t cinnamon) I added a tablespoon of cocoa powder and extra chips and nuts. The result is a chewier cookie, because of the molasses, with a bit more flavor than the original and lots more chunky bits.

I was scraping the bottom of the mixing bowl when I got to the last cookie, so I dug back in the bag of walnuts and pulled out a perfect half, which I placed right in that cookie's center. Let's see if that's the one der Brucer grabs in the morning!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 10:53:09 PM: And I'm guessing tomorrow, even though it's technically Free-For-All day will be Oscar Picks and Predictions Day too?

-Maybe we can have an HHW Oscar Pool!

I can bake cookies for the winner! And if I win, then DR SWW can bake cookies for me!

Or we can all bake cookies for the winner and send them to him or her!!
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Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 10:55:35 PM: Late night trivia question:

What do Robert Redford, George C Scott, Martin Lawrence, Christopher Lee, Paul la Matt all have in common?

Clue: A Movie connection.

It's nothing anatomical
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 10:57:23 PM: Quote from: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 10:50:00 PM
OH!! -Again...

When I went to see In America (again) yesterday, I noticed lobby cards for:

Walking Tall - With "The Rock" - Did this movie need to be re-made? And with "The Rock"?
and
Dawn of the Dead - Hasn't this one already been re-made?

In Walking Tall the Rock is not even playing Buford Pusser!!! Also the remake is far too high tech in my opinion for the simple small town corruption of the original
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 10:59:50 PM: Quote from: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 10:53:09 PM
And I'm guessing tomorrow, even though it's technically Free-For-All day will be Oscar Picks and Predictions Day too?

-Maybe we can have an HHW Oscar Pool!

I can bake cookies for the winner! And if I win, then DR SWW can bake cookies for me!

Or we can all bake cookies for the winner and send them to him or her!!

For the past many years I have never watched the Oscars live. I always tape them and watch them that way. I simply fast foward through and can generally watch the whole show within 45 minutes to a hour. Sometimes stopping to watch something in real time if it looks interesting
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 11:01:02 PM: DR Panni - Re: Reading in Bed

I remember watching a segment on sleep disorders, getting enough sleep, etc., on a talk show a few years ago. The doctor they had on highly discouraged reading in bed. Since you're in bed, your mind is already in the mindset to go to bed, and that could affect your comprehension (if needed). And if you happen to get really comfortable reading in bed, then you could end up associating your bed with reading and not with going to bed. Basically a lose-lose situation. My point...

Well, that "advice" has stuck with me for years... Even when I really "try" to read in bed, I can never do it. Once I'm in bed, I'm in sleep mode. And on those occasions when I find myself reading in bed just because... I usually find myself waking up a few hours later with all the lights on, and the book or magazine or even my laptop still in my hands (or in my lap).

Point? Was there a point?

???
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 11:02:46 PM: Quote from: Michael Shayne on February 28, 2004, 10:55:35 PM
Late night trivia question:

What do Robert Redford, George C Scott, Martin Lawrence, Christopher Lee, Paul la Matt all have in common?

Where oh where is TCB when we need him?

;D ;D :o ;D ;D
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Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 11:04:45 PM: Quote from: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 11:02:46 PM
Where oh where is TCB when we need him?

;D ;D :o ;D ;D

I left a clue in the earlier posting
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 11:16:06 PM: What a lovely bunch of coconuts we are, and what a lovely Saturday, thanks to all of you who kept the home fries burning.
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Post by: Michael on February 28, 2004, 11:28:54 PM: Well I think I will try to go back to sleep. See y'all later today and to the west coast people see y'all tomorrow and I guess Tom from Oz I will see you Monday.
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Post by: George on February 28, 2004, 11:29:52 PM: I watched "CAMP" tonight and can, to a certain extent, agree with a lot of what BK has said. The only reason I don't whole-heartedly agree with him is that...well, my standards are lower. (I'm sure I've admitted that here before. ::) ) I liked "CAMP" but I didn't love it. I don't know if I'll still like it in a few days, but I didn't hate it. I liked most of the musical numbers (of course), mainly because I hadn't seen some of them staged. And I totally did not understand the significance (if any) of the opening number. ??? At first I was wondering if it was the last year's closing number and then we fast forward to the new year, but then there was no audience (shown) watching the number and not really a good transition into the new summer. Not a good way to start a movie.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 11:30:15 PM: OK, BK -

Now I've got the phrase "I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts" going through my head... to the tune of "I've got a brand new pair of roller skates.."

Maddening, I tell you! Maddening!

And it's all your fault! (Ah, a Sondheim reference!)
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Post by: George on February 28, 2004, 11:38:46 PM: Quote from: Michael Shayne on February 28, 2004, 10:59:50 PM
For the past many years I have never watched the Oscars live. I always tape them and watch them that way. I simply fast foward through and can generally watch the whole show within 45 minutes to a hour. Sometimes stopping to watch something in real time if it looks interesting

I have to tape the Oscars tomorrow night because my mom and I are going to see Sarah Brightman in concert in Seattle. It was my Christmas gift. I've never seen her live, but I have three of her concerts on DVD. I will admit that I like her earlier stuff (after TPOTO) more than the newer stuff...so far.
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Post by: S. Woody White on February 28, 2004, 11:41:49 PM: Quote from: Michael Shayne on February 28, 2004, 10:55:35 PM
Late night trivia question:

What do Robert Redford, George C Scott, Martin Lawrence, Christopher Lee, Paul la Matt all have in common?

Clue: A Movie connection.

It's nothing anatomical
Yeah, yeah, DR Michael, change the question with a clue after I IM'd you a wisecrack.

I've got four of the five, but I'm missing Christopher Lee.

Redford starred in The Hot Rock
Scott starred in Bank Shot
Lawrence starred in What's the Worst That Could Happen?
La Matt starred in Jimmy the Kid

All were based on novels written by Donald Westlake. (Redford and Scott playing the same character!)
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 11:41:53 PM: Awww... Currently watching the re-broadcast of the Independent Spirit Awards on Bravo... And they're introducing the Best Movie nominees with song parodies... So... For In America, to the tune of "Three Little Maids"...

"Two Little Irish Girls are we
In America illegally..."

-or something like that... very cute.

-and I think that got "I've got a lovely..." out of my head...

;)
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Post by: George on February 28, 2004, 11:42:31 PM: So, since I must get my rest so that I may be rested for the long drive tomorrow, I'm going to bed now. Good night all!
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: bk on February 28, 2004, 11:45:22 PM: I think the late-night denizens should get an early start on tomorrow's postings, so stay up you people, notes will be up in a mere fifteen minutes.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 11:52:14 PM: OK, OK, OK... Twist my arm... Guess I'll stay up until the new notes are posted... It's been a while...

WOW! I've been up for 18 hours! That hasn't happened in a while. -BUT that also means I'm getting back to my "normal" schedule. ;)
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Post by: Charles Pogue on February 28, 2004, 11:54:35 PM: Panni,

I've tried the Aktins, South Beachy thing twice...where you're supposed to be able to jump-start your diet by losing 13 lbs in two weeks. The first time I only lost six or seven. I just ended my second time for two weeks last week and went to my doctor who said I weighed a pound more than I did a month ago. It doesn't seem to work for me. My exercise has been sporadic (always is on deadline situations) too.

The most effective diet I started when I was in Bratislava on location with Draognheart. My I ate breakfast at the hotel, usually cereal or eggs. Had a big meal with the Caterer at noon (my main meal), and usually ate pasta at Raffaella DeLaurentiis' at night or went to the pub and had the usual eastern European fare...pork and Pivos (beer...getting sloshed with Pete Postlethwaite is an experience. Given the amounts he drinks, the man should be dead by now.) I kept up the regimen at home. Two meals. One around eleven or twelve...breakfast or lunch...some form of pasta (sometimes with chicken or something else). Despite the carbos, weight fell off of me, I got back to my college weight of 175 at one point. Of course, I was walking 4-6 miles every morning and working out three times a week too. The real key is exercise, I think.

RE: Sophia. I thought this date stuff was a fantasy situation where there were no consequences. My lovely wife understands my drooling obsession with Sophia...and I don't care how old she is. I actually encountered her a few years back at the Century City Mall and I could not believe it. At first, I didn't think it was her, because she just seemed too young. I followed her discreetly down the mall into Macy's or one of those department stores until I finally had to leave for fear I would be arrested for stalking. I got on the escalator and she'd come around the other way and was suddenly right in front of me again. Even the back view was nice. It was amazing the command of presence she had. She was by herself, no entourage at all and strode boldly everywhere she went. Passers-by jaws dropped and but everyone gave her wide berth and no one accosted her at all.

I'm rarely in awe of movie stars at all. I go in awe if I'm in England and see someone like Michael Gambon toddling home after a performance or encounter Simon Callow at Orso's or Derek Jacobi on a street corner or Peter Brook coming inside a theatre before a show to check out the place, or Ian McKellen coming into my local bistro (in his pre-Gandalf days) those kinds of artists make my jaw drop, but not movie stars...Well, Cary Grant and Laurence Olivier and Kim Novak...but no one else. I've rubbed shoulders with guys like Stephen Spielberg at Disney parties and could care less. But Sophia, well she's on a level all her own.
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: Jed on February 28, 2004, 11:54:46 PM: Quote from: JoseSPiano on February 28, 2004, 11:30:15 PM
OK, BK -

Now I've got the phrase "I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts" going through my head... to the tune of "I've got a brand new pair of roller skates.."

Maddening, I tell you! Maddening!

And it's all your fault! (Ah, a Sondheim reference!)

Damn it, Jose, now I've got "I've got a brand new pair of roller skates" in my head!!! :D
Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
Post by: TCB on February 28, 2004, 11:55:56 PM: TOP SECRET MEMO
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TO: Jed, Ann, George, Tomovoz

FROM: TCB

How can we possibly take over the earth, if these East coasters keep hanging around so late?

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Title: Re:A MOOT POINT
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