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Title: THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 12:01:40 AM
Well, you've read the notes, you've plotzed over the notes, you've asked four questions and now you're ready to post until the briskets come home.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 12:03:41 AM
Someone beat me to the punch and now I have to post this to get this to the top of the discussion page.  The next person who beats me to the punch is getting a bitch-slapping.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 12:07:21 AM
But BK, we mices just squeeked by on yesterday's posts!  We've been running this treadmill as fast as our little feet can run!
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 12:09:28 AM
As for beating you to the punch, there's plenty of punch for all!  (Raspberry and Lime Sherbet, in Seven-Up, yum!  Just like at the dances in Junior High!  Or at least the ones I went to.)
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 12:12:37 AM
TOD:

Columbo was always at the top of my list.  True, they told you whodunnit at the start, but the premise still worked.

Ellery Queen was also a favorite of mine, because it played as a true whodunnit, and played fair.  

I'm not fond of the current crop of shows.  The characters have no personality.  Bleh.

I'm sure der Brucer will have a much longer list than I.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 12:27:33 AM
Here's a Passover Plotz:  Thirteen GUESTS at 12:30!  Welcome thirteen GUESTS.  Somethin' wrong witcha bumpa?
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Post by: Dave in the valley on April 05, 2004, 03:02:59 AM
   I loved the "The Night Stalker" TV series starring Darren McGavin (the father in "A Christmas Story" as Carl Kolchak, which is more of a mystery than a cop show. McGavin plays a reporter who investigates strange occurences that lead to say vampires or werewolves or zombies, but in the end he couldn't ever convince his editor that the stories weren't made up. My favorite episode involved the discovery of a second and older version of Chicago buried deep below the current Chicago. Spooky!

Dave in the Valley

the imdb link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067490/
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Robin on April 05, 2004, 03:46:50 AM
My favorite cop show was (and is!) T. J. Hooker, starring William Shatner.

I also really liked Kojak and (even though it's a sitcom, it still has cops in it!) Barney Miller.

I was going to say Cop Rock, but that would've been an outrageous lie.  No one even liked Cop Rock, much less loved it.  
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Michael on April 05, 2004, 04:17:30 AM
I have been partial to private eye series with Richard Denning as "Michael Shayne"
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Post by: elmore3003 on April 05, 2004, 05:50:39 AM
Good morning, all!  I'm still dragging from this daylight time change, but I had a great time at chat last night.  Dear friend BK was our charming host, and I think it's time we got him a game show.

When I was a kid, I had no standards but I knew a pretty face when I saw it, so my favorite detective shows were the Warner Bros. "Surfside Six," "77 Sunset Strip." and "The Roaring Twenties" because I loved Dorothy Provine and all the 1920s band charts from the Warner Bros. music catalog.  I vaguely recall Phyllis Kirk in a Thin Man-like series as well; was that "Mr & Mrs North"?

My current favorite is "Without A Trace."
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 05, 2004, 05:54:45 AM
Cop shows, cop shows...

I guess the earliest shows I recall watching every week were Adam-12 and Dragnet .  I then remember watching shows like Cannon, Hawai 5-O, and Barnaby Jones, but mostly because my dad had control of the TV and watched them.  The shows that I really became a fan of were Kojack, The Streets of San Francisco and everything that was part of the roster of the NBC Mystery Movie (Columbo, MacMillian and Wife, McCloud, The Snoop Sisters--heck, even Hec Ramsey!)

I can't remember any cop show from the 80s, aside from Hill Street Blues.  I never got into Miami Vice because I was never home on Friday nights to watch it.

I guess the last cop show that I got involved with was NYPD Blues and I stopped watching that after the third season.  Every now and then I'll watch an episode of one of the Law and Order series.  CSI bores me because of its basic premise of "no one gets away with anything because of science."  Where's the drama in that?

Okay, who can finish the rest of these lyrics:
"There's a hold-up in the Bronx,
Brooklyn's broken out in fights,
There's a traffic jam in Harlem
That's backed up to Jackson Heights..."
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Ben on April 05, 2004, 06:06:15 AM
Ah, Car 54. I remember Toody and Muldoon very well.

There's a Scout troop short a child,
Khrushchev's due at Idlewyld,
CAR 54, WHERE ARE YOU?


And the question becomes What is Idlewyld called now?
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: elmore3003 on April 05, 2004, 06:13:08 AM
And the question becomes What is Idlewyld called now?

A MESS!
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Post by: William E. Lurie on April 05, 2004, 06:18:40 AM
Idlewyld is now Kennedy Airport... one of the many name changes to Kennedy in the mid 60s.

I'm not a fan of cop shows, but I do like the early black-and-white DRAGNETs... especially the Christmas episode where a statue of the Baby Jesus is taken.  It turns out that a little boy had been praying for a wagon for Christmas and promised the Baby Jesus the first ride if he got one.  This episode was previously done on radio and subsequently on the revised color DRAGNET in the late 60s (with Barry Williams as an alter boy).
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Ben on April 05, 2004, 06:33:39 AM
You people are too good. But then, it's not too difficult a question.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Jennifer on April 05, 2004, 06:45:03 AM
Good morning all!

Re: DR Jane's comment from last night that I haven't been cleaning for Passover.  Oh but I HAVE!  I was just not familiar with the expression DR Dan used about the feather.

Trust me, I have been cleaning.  And I even have to do a good share of the cooking (I will be making the chicken, turnip, roasted potatoes, broccoli and cauliflower). My mom will be making the matzoh ball soup and my aunt will be making the brisket (which is my most favorite dish in the entire world!.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Lulu on April 05, 2004, 06:48:47 AM
So many great choices already, you guys!  I concur with so many:

Columbo    (the gold standard, imo)

Kolchak: The Night Stalker  (Dave in the Valley: The one you remember is the TV movie sequel to the first TV movie, "The Night Stalker," called "The Night Strangler," and it took place in Seattle (Chicago was the setting for the TV series, which came a little later).  Yeah, the underground city thingy was neat. :)

McMillan and Wife  (not nearly as well made as Columbo, but not without charm)

The Rockford Files (c'mon, admit it...just reading the title made that great theme start playing in your head, now didn't it?)

Hart to Hart  (totally cheesy in a very '80s way...embarrassing, but enjoyable)

Dragnet (gotta love those late '60s episodes...I've rhapsodized before about this show, so I won't do it again!)

Car 54 and Barney Miller are great, too.  Cops and families of cops still say Barney Miller was THE most authentic cop show ever, Hill Street Blues and NYPD Blue be damned.  They consider the '70s sitcom to have been a much more accurate reflection of day-in-the-life police work than either of those two "gritty" Emmy-anointed programs.  Go figure.  And I'm sorry...was anybody NOT teary-eyed when they did the tribute show to the recently departed Jack Soo?  I'm SO sure.

Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Lulu on April 05, 2004, 06:49:58 AM
Geez...I just listed this as a guilty pleasure, then forgot it was a detective show:

Matt Houston
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Ben on April 05, 2004, 06:51:55 AM
Mmm, I love roasted turnips. I had turnips for the first time at Christmas in London 20 years ago, not this recent trip, when we spent Christmas day with a dear friend and her family.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: MBarnum on April 05, 2004, 06:59:23 AM
PERRY MASON

SURFSIDE 6

DRAGNET (color and black and white)

ADAM-12
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Panni on April 05, 2004, 07:39:02 AM
The Rockford Files, Murder She Wrote (it was fun!), Dragnet, Barney Miller, 77 Sunset Strip, Columbo, Perry Mason, Seeing Things. Today - (sometimes) Law and Order - it's always on in some form, somewhere.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Matt H. on April 05, 2004, 08:13:04 AM
So much to talk about, so I'll use a couple of posts to up the number.

According to every source I've ever been able to research, that's George Sanders doing his own singing in CALL ME MADAM. Vera-Ellen was dubbed, of course, this time by Carol Richards who was usually Cyd Charisse's voice double (in BRIGADOON and SILK STOCKINGS).

I have to respectfully disagree with you DR Dan(the Man). THough forensic science is the premise of CSI and through it many cases are solved, not every episode is a slam dunk for the investigators. In some episodes, they know a person is guilty, but their evidence is not conclusive enough to win the day. In others, the guilty parties outwit them and escape. Part of the fun in shows like this is seeing if the science will win out or not. Just as on LAW & ORDER when the Sam Waterston character doesn't win every case, but you don't know if he will or won't, so too are the criminalists of CSI sometimes thwarted by the bad guys.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Matt H. on April 05, 2004, 08:18:56 AM
I think ELLERY QUEEN (with Jim Hutton)  is by far the best whodunit ever to appear on TV. Done by the same producers as COLUMBO and MURDER, SHE WROTE, the mysteries were complex for a TV hour and yet absolutely fair with the clues (unlike PERRY MASON where vital information was withheld until Mason revealed it in his climactic revelations in the courtroom). At the end, before Ellery tied it all together, he offered hints to viewers before the final set of commercials and then afterwards provided the denouement. Brilliant work for a TV mystery.

It was devastating to me that it only ran one season (it was done in the late 1940s period, so I'm sure it was more expensive for Universal to produce than some other shows), but the producers eased up a little on the complexity, gave us a motherly sleuth instead of an eccentric detective, and set it in the present, and got a 12 year run out of MURDER SHE WROTE.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Emily on April 05, 2004, 09:14:15 AM
Happy Passover to all who are celebrating it!

It's times like these that I am glad I am not a Jew.  Brisket?  Matzoh balls? Ewwwwwwww.... ;)

I was in chat last night for a few minutes but hardly anyone was there!  Only Laura and Dan in the T-dot.  Oh well...

You know, thinking about today's topic, I never really watched any detective tv shows.  I'll occasionally look at Law and Order but that's pretty much it.  I'd much rather read detective/mystery novels than watch the television serieses.  How on earth do you pluralize series? Something to ponder.

I'm currently working on the last (huzzah) term paper for this term which is due tomorrow.  It's for sociolinguistics and about the way Central Canadians either chose to naturalize or not naturalize foreign (a) sounds like the (a) in plaza, pajamas and Iraq.  It is rather interesting...

Unfortunately though, it is involving quite a bit of statistical analysis (albeit of the basic kind... yippee no chi squared tests!) for which the class is using Excel.  I am so glad I taught myself the ins and outs of excel a while ago.  A lot of people have no background with the program and are ripping their hair out in frustration.  Yea for foresight! :)

This morning I woke up (and I imagine Jennifer did too) to about 5cm of snow.  My question to all DRs: if April showers bring May flowers... what the heckeroo does April snow bring?

Oh well... back to cross-tabulatin' grindstone :)
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Emily on April 05, 2004, 09:15:51 AM
Tidbit to scare you all: In 1962, Montreal experienced a late blizzard which brought over 6inches of snow to the city.

The date was May 12th!!! :o
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: TCB on April 05, 2004, 09:28:18 AM
Hmmm, cop shows……… not to be confused with private detectives, or other murder mysteries that do not include the police...........  I really enjoy the original Law & Order which has been ruined by the constant reruns of the show, twenty-four hours a day.  I also like L & O SVU, mainly because of the extremely handsome Christopher Melloni (Happy B Day, Chris).  However, please spare me the scenery-chewing of Vincent D’Onofrio in L & O Criminal Intent.

I loved the original Dragnet.   I remember the first time my family went to Disneyland for vacation, I was so excited because we were staying with friends only a few blocks from Ben Alexander’s Used Cars.  The fact that I never actually saw him at the dealership, did nothing to dampen my enthusiasm.

McMillan & Wife was one of my all-time favorite shows, as was Burke’s Law.  I could never get into Columbo, because I always hated to know who did it from the very start of the show.

Also, I loved Cagney and Lacey, enjoyed (but never loved) Hill Street Blues, and occasionally wathed Adam - 12.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Matt H. on April 05, 2004, 09:30:35 AM
I bought all of the videotapes in the KOLCHAK: THE NIGHT STALKER TV series from Columbia House several years ago. There are two shows per tape, and ten tapes, so they take up a good deal of room (in their "deluxe packaging"), but I loved this show. I also got the book on the making of the series called STALKING that is a fascinating read for those who are fans of the series.

Sadly, the two made-for-TV movies (the original for a time being the most watched original TV movie in history) are on DVD but not the series. I wish Universal would remaster them and put out a boxed set on DVD. Even with my tapes, I'd be the first in line to purchase.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 09:31:59 AM
elmoore: The Phyllis Kirk series WAS The Thin Man, with Peter Lawford.  I loved it, and I loved Mr. and Mrs. North with Richard Denning and Barbara Britton.  When I was VERY young I loved Boston Blackie, Highway Patrol, Racket Squad, Mr. District Attorney, and Mike Hammer (with Darren McGavin).  I was very fond of all the Universal things like McMillan and Wife, Banacek, McCloud.  
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Matt H. on April 05, 2004, 09:33:51 AM
BURKE'S LAW was also one of my all-time favorite shows, and they were also good mysteries that made good use of their all-star casts. I'm sure you remember, TCB, that when ratings started to drop, they changed the show to AMOS BURKE, SECRET AGENT, and the show promptly died.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: TCB on April 05, 2004, 09:56:04 AM
BURKE'S LAW was also one of my all-time favorite shows, and they were also good mysteries that made good use of their all-star casts. I'm sure you remember, TCB, that when ratings started to drop, they changed the show to AMOS BURKE, SECRET AGENT, and the show promptly died.

Indeed I do, MattH.  I almost mentioned Amos Burke, Secret Agent as a non-favorite, but I thought the less said about that show, the better.  I did watch the remake of Burke's Law a few seasons ago, but sadly it was not the same quality as the original.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: TCB on April 05, 2004, 10:01:07 AM
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Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Ron Pulliam on April 05, 2004, 10:05:08 AM
My favorite sleuths on TV have been Sherlock Holmes, Hercule Poirot and Miss Marple.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on April 05, 2004, 10:11:16 AM
BK:  Have you considered asking DR N.R. about whether any of the recording stems from "Call Me MadaM' survive that might result in a stereo soundtrack someday?

In one way, I'd like to believe were this possible, they'd have done it and issued the movie with those stereo tracks like they did "All About Eve."  However, since this is the first-ever release of "Call Me Madam" on home video, it may not have been an expense they'd wish to undertake on an unproven title.

Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 10:31:35 AM
My memory is that I've heard the tracks and that they're mono.  We'd talked about issuing it on CD, but the sound is a bit sketchy if I recall correctly - a bit shrill.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 05, 2004, 10:56:54 AM
The best TV cop show EVER was THE UNTOUCHABLES.  A tight, slick show with great actors and solid scripts.  Those old episodes are still as gripping and suspenseful as when they first came out.

As for detective whodunits, I always liked BURKE'S LAW and I'm enjoying the revival of all the old Warners shows on Goodtimes Network...Sunset Strip, Surside 6, Hawaiian Eye, and, for awhile they were even running Bourbon Street Beat
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 11:08:13 AM
Love The Untouchables, especially Walter Winchell's narration.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 05, 2004, 11:11:06 AM
I have to respectfully disagree with you DR Dan(the Man). THough forensic science is the premise of CSI and through it many cases are solved, not every episode is a slam dunk for the investigators. In some episodes, they know a person is guilty, but their evidence is not conclusive enough to win the day. In others, the guilty parties outwit them and escape. Part of the fun in shows like this is seeing if the science will win out or not. Just as on LAW & ORDER when the Sam Waterston character doesn't win every case, but you don't know if he will or won't, so too are the criminalists of CSI sometimes thwarted by the bad guys.

DR Matt, I don't doubt that you're right about CSI.  I've probably had the misfortune of seeing three episodes that happened to be much alike in the denouement ("Science will out!")  with two of those outcomes hinging the last minute on the line, "Let's run one more sweep for fibers."  I could give the show another chance, but there's something in me that stubbornly refuses.  I can't help but feel that in the show's strong reliance on an exact scientific process that there's an absence of "romance" in the solving of the crimes.  My introduction to whodunnits was Agatha Christie, and I'd rather see a murderer found out by the way a slice of toast was curiously buttered than through a spectromical analysis of a miniscule peice of metal filing.  But then, I'm old fashioned that way...
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 11:13:24 AM
Good morning all!

Re: DR Jane's comment from last night that I haven't been cleaning for Passover.  Oh but I HAVE!  I was just not familiar with the expression DR Dan used about the feather.

Trust me, I have been cleaning.  And I even have to do a good share of the cooking (I will be making the chicken, turnip, roasted potatoes, broccoli and cauliflower). My mom will be making the matzoh ball soup and my aunt will be making the brisket (which is my most favorite dish in the entire world!.


Last night I posted “Jennifer, don't feel bad I had to look this up.  I have never cleaned my house for Passover either.”  I meant I’m not very knowledge and had to look up feather and I have never cleaned my house, either referring to my lack of knowledge, not your cleaning.  Sorry-it made sense to me at the time. ;D
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: TCB on April 05, 2004, 11:14:44 AM
Last night I posted “Jennifer, don't feel bad I had to look this up.  I have never cleaned my house for Passover either.”  I meant I’m not very knowledge and had to look up feather and I have never cleaned my house, either referring to my lack of knowledge, not your cleaning.  Sorry-it made sense to me at the time. ;D



THAT was probably the problem.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 11:18:22 AM
HAPPY PASSOVER!

Emily I’m pleased to say I have never had, or been offered, brisket for Passover. :D
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Jennifer on April 05, 2004, 11:19:09 AM
That's okay DR Jane.  Just after slaving for 2 days, I want my cleaning credit :)

Btw, I have never tried roasting turnip.  Can someone who has done this explain to me what they do please.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 11:20:40 AM
TCB are you making fun of the way my brain works? ;D
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Post by: Jennifer on April 05, 2004, 11:25:46 AM
Btw, if you're vegetarian obviously you won't like brisket.  But don't knock it otherwise. It is amazingly good. Even my brother-in-law who is not jewish thinks it's the best thing ever.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 05, 2004, 11:29:03 AM
Speaking of Passover, does anyone recall seeing Elizabeth Sawdos' The Haggadah on PBS years ago? (Like 20 years--yikes!)  I remember that I enjoyed it a lot, even though the sound was badly recorded.  Unfortunately, this was a few years before I had a VCR.  All I have somewhere is a screechy audio recording.
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Post by: Matt H. on April 05, 2004, 11:33:48 AM
DR Dan (the Man), I guess I'm lucky that I'm more "flexible." Like you, I was brought up on Sherlock Holmes and Agatha Christie, and I ADORE those fictional works and the tangible clues they provide in solving the mystery. I have collected all of the Poirot and Marple BBC series that have been made available and rewatch them with great relish. I'd rather curl up on the couch with a Christie mystery than any other piece of fiction.

That said, the CSI approach to solving crimes is to me utterly fascinating and simply a new wrinkle on an old formula. I find it no better or worse than the old gumshoe methods, just different. All for me are mesmerizing methods of making a mystery. (How's that for alliteration.).
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 11:36:17 AM
You've never had brisket for Passover, Jane?  Obviously, you never came to Passover at MY house.

Perhaps I'll buy some gefilte fish so I can feel Jewish and say, "What is it, fish?"
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Post by: Ann on April 05, 2004, 11:36:19 AM
Good morning all
Hmm..good TOTD...right off the top of my head, I also really enjoy Without A Trace and CSI.  I also do like CSI Miami, although it is definitely a step down from the original.  The writing isn't as good, and the cast doesn't work together quite like the first one does.  Hmm..older cop shows...I did watch Dragnet on Nick at Nite as a kid.  I also went through a brief period where I would never miss Murder She Wrote.

Question from a rather ignorant non-jew...what exactly is brisket?  I'm fairly sure I know what matzoh ball soup is...but I could be wrong.  
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Charles Pogue on April 05, 2004, 11:43:12 AM
I'm fond of many of the British mystery series, Cadfael, Tommy & Tuppence, Lord Peter Whimsey (both incarnations), Poirot...not much for Miss Marple.
My pal Jeremy Brett was easily the best Sherlock Holmes...not afraid to make Holmes thoroughly disagreeable at times which he could be...though Brett's HOUND overall is one of the dullest around, and padding out some of the short stories don't work as well as they could.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 11:45:22 AM
Btw, if you're vegetarian obviously you won't like brisket.  But don't knock it otherwise. It is amazingly good. Even my brother-in-law who is not jewish thinks it's the best thing ever.

 ;D ;D ;D
I wasn't always a vegetarian.  Growing up I had plenty of traditional Jewish dishes, but brisket was never one of them. The first time I had it was at Keith's parent’s house.  If I ate it again, it was just a few bites to be polite.  
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: George on April 05, 2004, 11:48:40 AM
I'm Back!  I moved last weekend (April 4 & 5) and wasn't able to even try to set up my computer until this past Saturday (the 10th)
AND IT DOESN'T WORK!!  AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!
I pushed the button to turn it on and nothing happened!  At first my sister's boyfriend Larry (he built my computer) thought that it might just be the "power source," so he bought a new one and swapped out the old one.  Again nothing happened.  So now he's figured that it might (MIGHT??  HE SHOULD KNOW!) that it could be the motherboard that tells the powersource to turn on the computer.  The hard drive (and everything that I've ever saved) should be okay.  PLEASE send me your best computer-fixing vibes!

Also, over the last two weeks I've either worked half days or had days off so that I could get things organized at home in the evenings so I didn't even have time to check in during the days.  But now that I'm back to working full days, I can at least keep up with the current daily stuff here at work.

As for the topic of the day, what are my favorite TV cop and mystery shows?

Barney Miller
Cagney and Lacey
Hart to Hart
Remington Steele
Richie Brockelman, Private Eye
The Rockford Files
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Jay on April 05, 2004, 11:54:38 AM
...what exactly is brisket?  

It's a stringy cut of beef (off the top of the rib) that is slowly cooked in a gravy (a la pot roast.)  When cooked properly, this stringy piece of meat is transformed into a tender, delicious treat.  The meat is sliced (against the grain) and served with the gravy, usually to great acclaim by the diners.  

There are an infinite number of variations in the make-up of the gravy, whether the meat is cooked atop the stove or in the oven, whether it should be browned first in the pan before the slow cooking, etc., etc., etc.  (Oh, a The King and I reference.)  

Although it is traditionally served at holiday meals by Jews of Eastern European heritage, you can find brisket on the menu of many restaurants that you would not nececessarily consider Jewish.

The only problem with serving brisket on Passover is that matzoh does not soak up the gravy nearly as well as a good piece of rye bread or challah, which, of course, are verboten during this holiday.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Charles Pogue on April 05, 2004, 11:57:39 AM
Well, it's baseball's opening day and I thought I catch my Cincinnati Reds playing the Cubs on ESPN.  It's halfway through the third and the Reds are already behind...four to zip.  Might be a long season.  Far  away from the days of the Big Red Machine.
Title: Re:THE PASSOVER PLOTZ
Post by: Ben on April 05, 2004, 12:01:21 PM
Even though I'm a little Irish boy from the Midwest, I've been to plenty of seders and it wasn't the brisket I shied away from, it was the gefilte fish. I've had some good gf but when it comes out of the jar covered in that jell, I automatically choke up. My favorite dishes at the seder are the kugels. Umm, umm. I love good raisin or apple kugel.

BTW (by the way in Internet lingo), DR Jane, if Keith had his picture with DangerMouse taken in England, that wasn't me. I traveled around the U.S. but Nickelodeon never sent me to Europe (darn them, darn them all to hell).

A second BTW for DR Jane, this may actually be for you to relay to Keith. Do you have Real Player (aka Real One or just Real) on your computer? If you don't, that could be the reason you don't get the Broadway Radio Show. All PCs come with Windows Media Player but that won't work for Donald's show. The stream technology uses coding available only in Real Player (I know, I know, you probably don't know what I'm talking about) so without that plug-in on your system you can't listen to the show (or any of the BBC radio shows for that matter)

Never watched many cop or detective shows either as a child or an adult. I'm about to make a confession here folks, so treat me kindly  ;) I know the show has a large and devoted following but I could never get through a single episode of Murder She Wrote. I LOVE Ms. Lansbury but I just couldn't watch that show to save my life. Anthony enjoys it and if he comes across an episode in the afternoon on A&E, he will sit and watch while I make dinner. Sometimes he will call me in to see how someone has aged (or not aged) but otherwise, I skipped the show during the original run and haven't seen it in any re-runs.
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Post by: Jennifer on April 05, 2004, 12:16:20 PM
DR Jane: I wonder if maybe the brisket you tried was just not cooked properly.  Because if you like meat (or if you liked it then), you would just die for the brisket my aunt makes.  

And I actually prefer mine cold with no gravy. That is how my grandmother always made it for me.  I'm actually the only one if my family who eats it that way.

As for gefilte fish, I've never tried it from a jar.  Luckily here in Montreal we can get it in a log.  And it is also quite good (although nothing compares to brisket).

Maybe we can find pictures online for DR Ann.

Matzoh balls are just white round balls served in a soup.
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Post by: elmore3003 on April 05, 2004, 12:17:01 PM
Happy Passover to all who are celebrating it!

It's times like these that I am glad I am not a Jew.  Brisket?  Matzoh balls? Ewwwwwwww.... ;)

Yes, Happy Passover to all my Jewish friends as well!  DR Emily, as a lapsed WASP, I have to tell you that Matzoh balls, matzoh ball soup, and brisket are three of the greatest foods EVER!!!!! Yummmmm!!!!!!
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Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 12:20:12 PM
My mother didn’t make chicken soup either.  She made turkey soup with matzo balls.  No one else’s soup compared.  Even my mother’s desserts were great.  We got special treats from the Robertson Bakery (corner of Pico & Robertson).  I tell you, it was a shock when I began going to other houses for Passover.  The soup wasn’t as delicious, a bit bland, and the cakes were weird.  My father also did a wonderful, interesting and slightly condensed Seder.  By choice I always made the Charoset (apples, raisins, wine & cinnamon) while I enjoyed sips of the Manischewitz blackberry wine.  The only wine I will use even today.

At the Seder I never had more than one sip of wine per blessing since my sister would always steel the rest of my wine.  When I was fourteen I went to a friend’s house for Passover and for the first time had all four glasses of wine.  To the horror of the parents (my friend & her brothers thought it very funny) I was rather tipsy and very giggly by the end of the evening.  Once home it took my father about five minutes to suddenly realize the condition of his “little girl”.  I can still recall his expression at the moment of understanding.  ;D  For several years I continued to go to my friends for Passover but my wine allotment was very small.    
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Post by: elmore3003 on April 05, 2004, 12:21:49 PM
Speaking of Passover, does anyone recall seeing Elizabeth Sawdos' The Haggadah on PBS years ago? (Like 20 years--yikes!)  I remember that I enjoyed it a lot, even though the sound was badly recorded.  Unfortunately, this was a few years before I had a VCR.  All I have somewhere is a screechy audio recording.
A friend of mine from college was one of the puppeteers on the original, and Julie Taymor may have been as well.  It was an amazing theatrical experience.
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Post by: Matt H. on April 05, 2004, 12:21:51 PM
I've mentioned this before, but for the first six or so years (the years Peter Fischer was the executive producer of the show), MURDER SHE WROTE was a wonderful show. Clever, funny, suspenseful, and with some good mysteries. After he left and Angela's production company took over, the stories became much less interesting (I suspect less experienced writers were being hired), the show used fewer guest stars who were experienced actors (prettier, younger, less talented), and I found myself not enjoying it as much. I watched it until the bitter end (moving it to Thursday nights effectively killed it in the ratings) and even watched the overly padded made-for-TV movies featuring the Jessica Fletcher character. But those early years were really excellent, I thought.
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Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 12:24:54 PM
Jane, if you go to the radio show page (click on "Broadway Radio" below).  There's a link to download Real Player right there - it's free and easy.
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Post by: MBarnum on April 05, 2004, 12:31:18 PM
All this Jewish food sounds good! Brisket, Matzoh Ball soup, Gefilte Fish...I have never had any of it, but I would if I could!

I did, however, get to eat a package of smoked shredded squid that one of my co-workers brought back for me from her trip to Japan. The package said "Easy to enjoy anytime, anyplace," and I so did, and it was!
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Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 12:32:25 PM

Ben, a couple of bites of gefilte fish on a piece of matzo and I’m done.  It is rather an acquired taste.  Some say the only way to eat it is with horseradish on it, a combination which is truly beyond my ability to eat.

I have to check with Keith if we have real player.  I know we didn’t in the past.

We found the Danger Mouse photo.  It was taken at a book fair but we don’t know where.  Our son says it was England but it could have been in Frankfurt, or the states.  Danger Mouse is not wearing a plastic mask.  Did you ever work at the big book fairs?
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Post by: TCB on April 05, 2004, 12:32:36 PM


Never watched many cop or detective shows either as a child or an adult. I'm about to make a confession here folks, so treat me kindly  ;) I know the show has a large and devoted following but I could never get through a single episode of Murder She Wrote. I LOVE Ms. Lansbury but I just couldn't watch that show to save my life. Anthony enjoys it and if he comes across an episode in the afternoon on A&E, he will sit and watch while I make dinner. Sometimes he will call me in to see how someone has aged (or not aged) but otherwise, I skipped the show during the original run and haven't seen it in any re-runs.

Certainly no reason to apologize, Ben, we can't all like the same things.  If we all watched the same programs, then I would finally understand what everyone else here is talking about when it comes to Survivor, American Idol, Trading Spaces, and / or any of the other dozen or so shows that are talked about so often at this site, that I don't watch.

Personally, I loved Murder She Wrote and have seen every episode, at least, three or four times.  But at the same time, I like to read that same type of murder mystery (known as a "cozy" mystery).  Those are the mysteries, solved by real people (rather than police or private eyes), and usually lacking in the blood and violence associated with real crime.  In other words, I like little old lady's mystery books.
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Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 12:33:54 PM
I saw that Bruce-Keith's computer, I check with him first. ;D
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Post by: Jennifer on April 05, 2004, 12:34:21 PM
One of my favorite Passover desserts is Mundel bread.  It's sort of like biscotti.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 05, 2004, 12:37:31 PM
All for me are mesmerizing methods of making a mystery. (How's that for alliteration.).

Well, then, as Carol Channing's Cecilia Cisson might have said, "Perhaps it is necessary for me to reassess my dissing of CSI (so to speak.)"
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Post by: Ben on April 05, 2004, 12:40:31 PM
This just in from Playbill On-Line

I Am My Own Wife wins Pulitzer Prize for Drama

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/85375.html

And deservedly so, I think.
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Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 12:41:35 PM
Ellery Queen-sadly gone too soon
Dragnet
77 Sunset Strip
Columbo
McMillan & Wife
McCloud
Cagney & Lacey-brought back by popular demand :D
Night Stalker
Barney Miller
Rockford Files
Hart to Hart
Perry Mason
Remington Steele
Moonlighting

Due South starring Paul Gross as Canadian Mountie Benton Fraser working in Chicago.


Lulu I forgot about Matt Houston

I’m surprised Magnum, PI has not been mentioned
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 01:03:14 PM
...Today - (sometimes) Law and Order - it's always on in some form, somewhere.
Isn't Lawn Order that show on the Home and Garden Network, about detectives who find clues among the bushes and clippings?
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on April 05, 2004, 01:16:38 PM
How could anyone forget "Matt Houston"?

The opening of the first show was "camera rape" at its most flagrant!  I think they modified the shot for later openings, but it was partially there....the camera dwelling on Lee Horsley's mid-section as he walked toward the camera!
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Post by: Robin on April 05, 2004, 01:24:50 PM
I guess the earliest shows I recall watching every week were Adam-12 and Dragnet .

I always loved the plotless episodes of Dragnet that were nothing more than two-by-four-to-the-back-of-the-head anti-drug rants.  One of them featured David Cassidy (or was it Shaun Cassidy?  OK, it definitely was not Jack Cassidy) as a youthful marijuana addict.  And there was another episode in which Jack Webb and Harry Morgan burst into an LSD dealer's home, lectured him for half an hour, and then left.  The end.  

They were only slightly updated versions of Reefer Madness, and every bit as hilarious.  
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 01:26:05 PM
...I’m surprised Magnum, PI has not been mentioned
I haven't forgotten Magnum, PI.  I just watched it for the beefcake, instead of the mysteries, however.   ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 05, 2004, 01:28:25 PM
[move=RIGHT,scroll,6,transparent,100%]BOOTILICIOUS COMPUTER VIBES FOR DR GEORGE![/move]

Well, it's baseball's opening day and I thought I catch my Cincinnati Reds playing the Cubs on ESPN.  It's halfway through the third and the Reds are already behind...four to zip.  Might be a long season.  Far  away from the days of the Big Red Machine.

I comisserate.  I know that I always hope that no one ever remembers my drunken cries of "Just wait till next year!" from last September (or was it August?  Sheesh!)
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 05, 2004, 01:33:12 PM
A friend of mine from college was one of the puppeteers on the original, and Julie Taymor may have been as well.  It was an amazing theatrical experience.

I would bet that Taymor was involved--I can picture a couple of her large puppets on sticks in the show.  

I'm also recalling an Elvis impersonator as Pharaoh, which was a few years before there was one in the B'way production of Joseph and His Amazing...Coat.
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Post by: Maya on April 05, 2004, 01:37:38 PM
Happy Passover to those who celebrate!

I am the worst Mexijew in the world (for those of you who don't already know, my mom is of Russian-Jewish ancestry and my father of Mexican-Catholic...so I'm technically Jewish, but completely agnostic).  I didn't even remember today was the start of Passover!

I don't know from detective shows, but being the musical dork that I am, I'm just going to say "City of Angels," hehe.

I need to buy "Call Me Madam!!"  Maybe with the next paycheck.  
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 05, 2004, 01:40:11 PM
I always loved the plotless episodes of Dragnet that were nothing more than two-by-four-to-the-back-of-the-head anti-drug rants.  One of them featured David Cassidy (or was it Shaun Cassidy?  OK, it definitely was not Jack Cassidy) as a youthful marijuana addict.  And there was another episode in which Jack Webb and Harry Morgan burst into an LSD dealer's home, lectured him for half an hour, and then left.  The end.  

They were only slightly updated versions of Reefer Madness, and every bit as hilarious.  

I've seen these episode in reruns on Nick At Nite.  I remember that the decore of the drug dealer's "pad" was, by today's standards, just slightly garish, but implied in the show to be representative of a drug den of depravity.  
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 01:44:38 PM
This morning I woke up (and I imagine Jennifer did too) to about 5cm of snow.  My question to all DRs: if April showers bring May flowers... what the heckeroo does April snow bring?
As Dorothy Fields wrote (to the music of Sigmund Romberg, for Up in Central Park, 1945) (and I hope I'm getting these lyrics right, I was transcribing them from CD and we all know how that can be a path to hell):

There's a love as swift and light as an April snow.
It's a shining gift, a bright bit of touch and go.
It's a love you dare not crush in your arms,
A moment that charms aglow,
Then it swiftly flies away like an April snow.


Forgive me, that's just the first verse.  It's a really lovely song.  I have it on two recordings, one by Barbara Cook (on her disc Close as Pages in a Book), and the other by Sally Mayes (The Dorothy Fields Songbook).
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Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 01:46:00 PM
How could anyone forget "Matt Houston"?

The opening of the first show was "camera rape" at its most flagrant!  I think they modified the shot for later openings, but it was partially there....the camera dwelling on Lee Horsley's mid-section as he walked toward the camera!

LOL-I remember that well.
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Post by: Matt H. on April 05, 2004, 02:12:27 PM
DR Maya, CALL ME MADAM is not available for us plebians yet. It and STAR! both come out later this month.
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Post by: Michael on April 05, 2004, 02:14:50 PM
This may be an urban legend. But..................
Ethel Merman was invited to Irving Berlin's for Passover and she was worried that there would be anything for her to eat. So she brought a ham sandwhich with her!
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 02:19:22 PM
Der Brucer and I would like to thank our DR Jenny, who insisted on our seeing I am My Own Wife when we joined her in NYC.  It's a good play, very interesting, and the first one that der Brucer has seen before the Pulitzer Prize was awarded (certainly the first for myself, as well)!

Our Jenny has very good taste, indeed!
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Post by: Michael on April 05, 2004, 02:22:20 PM
What a day tomorrow for DVDs!!

The Little Prince
Meet Me in St. Louis
Half a Sixpence
Pink Panther Collection (almost complete)

and to lesser extents
Matrix Revolutions
The Greatest Show on Earth (which is considered to be the "Worst" film ever to win Best Picture)
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Post by: Michael on April 05, 2004, 02:22:31 PM
Playwright Doug Wright has been awarded the 2003 Pulitzer Prize for Drama for his play I Am My Own Wife, currently running at the Lyceum Theatre
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Post by: Michael on April 05, 2004, 02:25:16 PM
Anyone hear that Andrew Lloyd Webber is helping Stephen Sondheim with the score for Bounce?????
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Post by: Matt H. on April 05, 2004, 02:35:05 PM
You're a little late with that April Fool joke about Lloyd Webber and SOndheim, DR Michael SHayne.
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Post by: Matt H. on April 05, 2004, 02:37:06 PM
This entire month is a DVD lover's paradise. All month long there are tantalizing releases awaiting. By the end of the month we'll have our Basil Rathbone/Sherlock Holmes collections complete, too.
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Post by: Matt H. on April 05, 2004, 02:40:39 PM
Read this morning about the de-gayed Cole Porter in the upcoming musical DELOVELY. We already have a de-gayed Porter in NIGHT AND DAY done 60 years ago! Why do another one when the real story has been well chronicled in several best selling biographies? Also, they have Ashley Judd playing Linda Porter who in real life was older than Cole. Ashley Judd is about 20 years YOUNGER than Kevin Kline (who's playing Porter).

This thing sounds like a disaster in the making, and could be a giant step back for more movie musicals when CHICAGO proved they could be popular when done well.
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Post by: Michael on April 05, 2004, 02:42:31 PM
You're a little late with that April Fool joke about Lloyd Webber and SOndheim, DR Michael SHayne.

I didn't realize it was an April fool days joke
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Post by: Michael on April 05, 2004, 02:46:31 PM
Question: Was The Greatest Show on Earth filmed in widescreen or the academy ratio?
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Post by: Michael on April 05, 2004, 02:50:46 PM
And it beat out High Noon and The Quiet Man for Best Picture!
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Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 03:04:34 PM
Greatest Story was pre-widescreen.  Academy, always and forever.

I don't think it's the worst film to win Best Picture - I certainly would give that honor to Chariots of Fire, a film I really couldn't stand.
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Post by: Robin on April 05, 2004, 03:12:13 PM
Greatest Story was pre-widescreen.  Academy, always and forever.  I don't think it's the worst film to win Best Picture - I certainly would give that honor to Chariots of Fire, a film I really couldn't stand.

I think there have been quite a few bad pictures to win a Best Picture Oscar.  The Greatest Show on Earth, the afformentioned Chariots of Fire, and to their ranks I would also submit A Beautiful Mind, which I thought simply ghastly.  
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Post by: Robin on April 05, 2004, 03:13:25 PM
Oooh...page four.
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Post by: MBarnum on April 05, 2004, 03:19:29 PM
Have been readin Kritzerland at work on my afternoon break and I am up to the Bridget Bardot section of I couldn’t stop laughing! That part is soooo funny! My co-workers kept laughing at me because I kept laughing.

What was that show that starred Tom Bosley and Tracey Nelson and Mary Wickes. Now that was a pretty good mystery detective type show! I only watched it a handful of times but I have always really liked Tracey Nelson (although you don't see much of her now-a-days)>
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Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 03:24:26 PM
Father something, Detective, wasn't it?  Father Dowling, maybe? The Bardot story is absolutely true, every word.
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Post by: Panni on April 05, 2004, 03:38:20 PM
I am SO hungry reading the posts. Tonight it's seder at the Big House. My very nice landlady and her husband have invited me. Should be an interesting group. One of her sons is an architect, the other is the main PR guy for some pretty huge stars and travels all over the world with them. Should make for interesting conversation. AND she's been cooking for two days. Each time I walk to my car in the driveway and pass her side door which leads into the kitchen, the most wonderful smells drift my way. There will be matzoh ball soup and brisket and homemade gefilte fish and tons of good stuff. I hope the prelude is short. Not being terribly observant, MY question during the seder is "How long before we get to the food?"
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on April 05, 2004, 03:38:37 PM
Favorite police show: COPS
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Post by: MBarnum on April 05, 2004, 03:40:49 PM
I really want to try Gefilte Fish and Matzoh Ball soup? I wonder if there are Jewish places to dine in my area?
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Post by: Panni on April 05, 2004, 03:43:10 PM
I really want to try Gefilte Fish and Matzoh Ball soup? I wonder if there are Jewish places to dine in my area?

If all else fails, you can pick up those items at the supermarket. Make sure to get horseradish to go with the gefilte fish.
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Post by: MBarnum on April 05, 2004, 03:50:01 PM
If all else fails, you can pick up those items at the supermarket. Make sure to get horseradish to go with the gefilte fish.

Oh, my. Horseradish. I might not do that! LOL! Can't stand the stuff! Maybe some other dip of some sort perhaps.
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Post by: William E. Lurie on April 05, 2004, 04:07:41 PM
Considering how bad my mail delivery I was nicely surprised to come home today to find the 5 Garland DVDs (and GREATEST SHOW) which don't officially co e out until tomorrow.

I thought the street date for CALL ME MADAME was 4/20.  I know you get your DVDs a couple of days early BK, but over two weeks early?
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Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 04:08:29 PM
Panni you would have enjoyed my father’s Seders.  Your evening sounds very nice.   :D  I wish we had a Seder to go to.

MBarnum did you read what I said about g gefilte fish & horseradish ;D
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Post by: MBarnum on April 05, 2004, 04:20:45 PM
MBarnum did you read what I said about g gefilte fish & horseradish ;D


I don't recall what you had said about it now. But I seem to recall that horseradish is not one of your favorite things either. I think it is evil stuff in a jar, myself! LOL!
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Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 04:35:05 PM
If you've never had horse radish ON gefilte fish, you should try it.  The two go together.

The store where I usually get advance things gets promos, sometimes months in advance.  I had Bonjour Tristesse three months before the street date.  But they haven't gotten in any more Garland yet.  I'm looking forward to Half a Sixpence - not a great movie, but I like some of it and I'm sure the transfer and sound will be top-notch.
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Post by: William F. Orr on April 05, 2004, 04:38:54 PM
E & T and all, and reading my way through the weekend's notes, but I couldn't resist this, although it's a bit late:

FREDDY'S BACK!!!

(and look at those claws!)
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Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 04:42:16 PM
But are you reading KRITZER TIME?
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Post by: William F. Orr on April 05, 2004, 04:45:23 PM
...that was supposed to be
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Post by: Danise on April 05, 2004, 04:46:31 PM
Hi all.  I'm still here.  Starting to feel washed out by the meds I'm on but tonight is the first night my jaw isn't thumping to a beat all it's own.  I hope that means the meds are finely kicking in and I'll be better by the end of the week.

I have to go pick up my night guard tomorrow.  I hope it isn't like a certain persons retainer.  I know I can't put anything in my mouth that tastes that bad.  I thought of BK as soon as the dentist told me I had to have the night guard.  Being a mouth breather, I'm very worried about having something in my mouth while I sleep.  I hope I don't choke on it.

Happy Pass Over if it's allowed for a non jewish person to say that.  

Cop shows.  Cops, Ironside, Night Stalker and a few others were/are my favorites.

 
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 05, 2004, 04:47:17 PM
Have to disagree...Greatest Show On Earth really stinks...DeMille hokum at its worst...
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Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 05:03:46 PM
Hello, eleven GUESTS.  Plotz with us.

Pogue, not sure who you're disagreeing with, since all the posts regarding Earth have been negative.  My only point was that I don't know that I'd call it the WORST Best Pic - for me there is nothing worse than Chariots of Fire.  If I were made to watch ONE of them, well, forced, I'd choose Earth any old day.
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 05, 2004, 05:06:54 PM
Passover.....  

There!  Hmmmmmmmmmm.....I think my favorites have all been mentioned, but I always enjoyed:

The Thin Man with Peter Lawford & Phyllis Kirk
77 Sunset Strip
Tightrope

and a few others.  Off to try to change my profile photo!
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 05, 2004, 05:15:49 PM
Hhahahahaha....I've got some 'splainin' to do!
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Post by: William E. Lurie on April 05, 2004, 05:35:36 PM
BK-----
I agree with you entirely on CHARIOTS OF FIRE.  I know it is a true story, but not all true stories make interesting movies.  It seemed like the whole movie was a setup for "the big race" at the end but "the big race" never took place!

I got GREATEST SHOW but will watch it after the Garlands.  However I remember enjoying it when I was younger.  I wonder how I'll like it now (it's been at least 30 years since I've seen it).
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Post by: Emily on April 05, 2004, 05:36:50 PM
love the pic Jrand... :D
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Post by: Emily on April 05, 2004, 05:39:09 PM
I just read about this on cbc.ca

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/04/05/canada/mtlschool040405

What an awful way to usher in Passover with.  I am ashamed to live in the same city as the people who would do this...
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Post by: td on April 05, 2004, 05:53:25 PM
Cadfael - I'm so glad the Mr. Pogue mentioned this, as it is my favorite.   :)
I've read nearly all of the books, too.
McMillan and Wife was always entertaining.
Loved that rumpled-raincoated Columbo, too.
Kolchak and its step-child, The X Files. . .
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on April 05, 2004, 05:55:29 PM
No negatives here.  "The Greatest Show on Earth" is vastly entertaining, even for "hokum."

I can't "not" watch it if it's on!

It's certainly no worse than the hokum DeMille served up in 1956's "The Ten Commandments."

Moses catatonically returning from his encounter with the burning bush is hysterically funny -- and his wife, who has never in her life seen a prophet, much less "God", says, "He's seen God!"

But it, too, is vastly entertaining and watchable.

There's all kinds of hokum...but none of it deserves Academy Awards for Picture!

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Post by: Jrand73 on April 05, 2004, 05:55:44 PM
thanks Emily!
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Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 06:05:51 PM
I had meant to include X-Files, the early years.

Emily that is really sad and all those books destroyed.  I hope none were irreplaceable.  

Bruce if you are going to insist I eat horseradish I’m going to insist you eat marzipan. ;D
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Post by: Robin on April 05, 2004, 06:09:54 PM
It's certainly no worse than the hokum DeMille served up in 1956's "The Ten Commandments."

Moses catatonically returning from his encounter with the burning bush is hysterically funny -- and his wife, who has never in her life seen a prophet, much less "God", says, "He's seen God!"

I just re-watched The 10 Commandments yesterday, and it really is bunk.  Entertaining bunk, I grant you, but bunk nonetheless.  And it had some terrific photography and special effects.  And some of the worst dialogue ever.  
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Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 06:11:14 PM
Hi all.  I'm still here.  Starting to feel washed out by the meds I'm on but tonight is the first night my jaw isn't thumping to a beat all it's own.  I hope that means the meds are finely kicking in and I'll be better by the end of the week.

I have to go pick up my night guard tomorrow.   I'm very worried about having something in my mouth while I sleep.  I hope I don't choke on it.

Happy Pass Over if it's allowed for a non jewish person to say that.  

Glad you’re still here and feeling a bit better.

I don’t think you can choke on a night guard.  ;D It should stay in but not be so tight it hurts.  It might take a few adjustments before it’s comfortable.

Thank you for the Passover wishes, they are certainly allowed and appreciated. :D


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Post by: Panni on April 05, 2004, 06:12:38 PM
Happy Passover to all who celebrate (and even all who do not)! I'm about to shower and get ready for the Seder. I hungry!
If you think horseradish is nasty (I don't) - you should try raw horseradish - YUMMY. Clears your sinuses bigtime.
I love the Hillel Sandwich. Matzah held together by bitter herbs (raw horseradish) and Charoset. Yummers.
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Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 06:22:37 PM
Matzoh with bitter herbs and charoset - something only an insane Hungarian would love.
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Post by: Lulu on April 05, 2004, 06:26:44 PM
How could anyone forget "Matt Houston"?

The opening of the first show was "camera rape" at its most flagrant!  I think they modified the shot for later openings, but it was partially there....the camera dwelling on Lee Horsley's mid-section as he walked toward the camera!

At my house, we always referred to that as "the crotch shot."  During the first season, they even used that shot as the BUMPER!  So every time they went to commercial, CJ would say "Matt Houston...will be back in a moment" as the camera lovingly dwelled on Lee Horsley's nether regions.

Highly weird.
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Post by: Laura II on April 05, 2004, 06:36:38 PM
Happy Passover to everyone who celebrates it!

BK, when I hear the word "plotz," I immediately think of "the world is gonna plotz with all this talent!"
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 05, 2004, 06:36:43 PM
LOL
The Ten Commandments looked great last night!  Were they using a new print?
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Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 06:40:27 PM
Welcome sixteen GUESTS.  Plotz with us, won't you?  
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Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 06:40:38 PM
Bruce-LOL

So what happened to Lee Horsley?
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Post by: Robin on April 05, 2004, 06:42:35 PM
The Ten Commandments looked great last night!  Were they using a new print?

I watched the deevedee.  

And I just finished watching the new Turner Classic Movies documentary of DeMille.  Fascinating stuff; DeMille may not have been the greatest director ever, but he was a great showman.  

SF writer Philip Jose Farmer once wrote a story in which God Himself realizes that He just doesn't have the panache to stage the Apocalypse by Himself, so he ressurects Cecil B. DeMille to show Him how it's done.  
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 05, 2004, 06:47:09 PM
Yes, someone once wrote that that is the way the Exodus would have looked if God had had DeMille's money
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Post by: Noel on April 05, 2004, 06:55:09 PM
I never saw Beautiful Mind or the most recent winner, but for my money Titanic has got to be the worst film ever to win Best Picture.  Hysterically funny dialogue (that wasn't meant to be), terrible acting, preposterous anachronisms.  At least Chariots of Fire had them singing a Gilbert and Sullivan song!

We weren't invited to a seder, which isn't surprising.  But we had such a negative experience with a religious service a few weeks ago, I would have relished (or horse radished) the opportunity to get that bad taste out of my mouth.
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Post by: Jane on April 05, 2004, 07:05:59 PM
for my money Titanic has got to be the worst film ever to win Best Picture.  

 we had such a negative experience with a religious service a few weeks ago, I would have relished (or horse radished) the opportunity to get that bad taste out of my mouth.

I hate when that happens at temple.  It’s not so bad if it happens with another religious sect. ;)

I’m with you all the way on TITANIC!!!
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 05, 2004, 07:29:48 PM
I actually watched CHARIOTS OF FIRE about a week ago.  I don't find it a particularly great picture, but I don't find it negilible either...and find it preferable to DeMille's circus epic...if only for John Gielgud and the wonderful Nigel Davenport.  And what ever happened to Alice Kirge?  My pick for best pic that year would have been Atlantic City.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 05, 2004, 07:36:36 PM
Noel,  thanks!  You've made me re-appraise my worst Best Picture with your reminder.  What a bloated, badly-written piece of clap-trap is THE TITANIC.  Patooey!

But GREATEST SHOW isn't far behind...one of its many inanities...A clown (Jimmy Stewart) who always goes around in his clown make-up.  I don't care if he is a wanted criminal...seems that would throw more suspicion on him...Grow a beard, Buttons, dye your hair!
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 07:37:26 PM
Hhahahahaha....I've got some 'splainin' to do!
Love the color...that rinse is exactly right for you!
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 07:40:33 PM
I just read about this on cbc.ca

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/04/05/canada/mtlschool040405

What an awful way to usher in Passover with.  I am ashamed to live in the same city as the people who would do this...
And some people wonder why I limit my use of the word hate, using other words and phrases when the situation is frivolous.  Take a good look, people, this is hate.  Does horseradish elicit the same reaction?
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 05, 2004, 07:43:04 PM
Jane, the last time I saw Lee Horsley, he was starring in the SWORD & THE SORCERER with the lovely Kathleen Beller...and George Maharis!
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 07:44:46 PM
I just re-watched The 10 Commandments yesterday, and it really is bunk.  Entertaining bunk, I grant you, but bunk nonetheless.  And it had some terrific photography and special effects.  And some of the worst dialogue ever.  
Has anyone yet worked out why Chucky Heston, when sounding Biblical, would use a whole lot of "ye's" and "thous", as if quoting the King James?  Like the Pharoah would listen to anyone else who claimed to be God's annointed?
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 07:46:44 PM
At my house, we always referred to that as "the crotch shot."  During the first season, they even used that shot as the BUMPER!  So every time they went to commercial, CJ would say "Matt Houston...will be back in a moment" as the camera lovingly dwelled on Lee Horsley's nether regions.

Highly weird.
You mean...we weren't supposed to be looking at his belt buckle?

 ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 07:52:58 PM
I actually watched CHARIOTS OF FIRE about a week ago.  I don't find it a particularly great picture, but I don't find it negilible either...and find it preferable to DeMille's circus epic...if only for John Gielgud and the wonderful Nigel Davenport.  And what ever happened to Alice Kirge?  My pick for best pic that year would have been Atlantic City.
Alice is making a career out of her turn as the Borg Queen from Star Trek: First Contact.  She's appeared in the series Star Trek: Voyager, done video games, and is now part of the Star Trek Experience, all as the same character.

You'd think she'd have picked a signature role with a better hairdo!
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Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 07:54:37 PM
Absolutely on Atlantic City - I watched it when the DVD came out and it holds up 100% - wonderful film.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 07:56:11 PM
Chicken soup tonight.  I'm still laboring to get rid of this cold/allergy thing I've been battling.

A couple of cans of broth, a couple of breasts (diced), carrots, celery, onion, black pepper, fresh thyme, and rice.  It it doesn't get me back on my feet, at least my tongue will be happy!

By the way, I'm a horseradish lover.  My mother was, too, but my father isn't.  But horseradish does NOT belong in chicken soup.
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on April 05, 2004, 07:57:52 PM
This would have been our first Seder without my mom. I decided to keep it low key - perhaps just say a quiet prayer or two. Today I was working in a faraway suburb, and Gord (who grew up in a Protestant home), not feeling very well, stayed home. I got back around 6 pm, and to my utter surprise Gord had prepared all the symbolic foods for the seder plate (including charoset and hand-grated horseradish) as well as a lovely Passover dinner.
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Post by: Michael on April 05, 2004, 08:07:45 PM
I can never eat Matzoah's balls. All I can think of some poor Matzoah that will never be able to father children.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 05, 2004, 08:18:10 PM
This is going to sound terrible (or wonderful, depending on your pov, I guess) but I have actually held Heston's Moses' staff in my hands...Yeah, yeah, snicker, snicker, get it all the inuenndo out...Composed yourself now?  When I worked with Heston on stage, he threw a party up at his digs in Coldwater Canyon...among his prominently displayed memorabilia is the Moses staff from TEN C.  I also touched his Oscar...and that's NOT a euphemsim for anything either! (I've also fondle Martha Raye's  special Oscar as well)
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 05, 2004, 08:29:32 PM
DR CP, have you ever held anyone's Golden Globes in your hands?
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Post by: Matt H. on April 05, 2004, 08:33:25 PM
What I think is so funny is that perfectly good actors become dreadful actors in DeMille pictures which only leads me to believe his manner of direction and taste in acting never advanced from the silent days when a broader, more exaggerated style was acceptable.

10 COMMANDMENTS and GREATEST SHOW, for just two examples, certainly can entertain an audience, but as Best Picture material, they're laughable. I guess no more laughable than THE TOWERING INFERNO as a Best Picture nominee, however.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 05, 2004, 08:38:54 PM
Dan the Man:  No, Golden Globes, but I've had my hands on a pair of Emmys.  I'll leave what they're a euphemism for to your own fevered imagination.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 08:43:16 PM
I just came across an interesting tidbit re our worst "best film" choices.

Two of them (The Greatest Show on Earth and Chariots of Fire) defied the conventional wisdom, winning the Best Pic Oscar while not winning for Best Director.  In 1953, that honor went to John Ford for The Quiet Man; in 1982, Warren Beatty won for Reds.

1982 was a bumper crop for the Best Pic noms: Atlantic City, On Golden Pond, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Reds.

Not so 2002, when A Beautiful Mind won.  The competition was Gosford Park, In the Bedroom, Lord of the Rings: the Fellowship of the Ring, and Moulin Rouge!  (Their exclamation point, not mine.)

Opposite Titanic in 1998 were As Good as it Gets, The Full Monty, Good Will Hunting, and L. A. Confidential.

And, running with TGSoE in '53 were High Noon, Ivanhoe, Moulin Rouge (without the exclamation point this time), and The Quiet Man.  (Another bumper crop year.)
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 05, 2004, 08:44:17 PM
Dan the Man:  No, Golden Globes, but I've had my hands on a pair of Emmys.  I'll leave what they're a euphemism for to your own fevered imagination.

Er, no--it's not doing anything for me.  I'm just picturing you with an Aunt Em on each arm.

I've been trying to think of a way to make Alexis Smith's Tony sound dirty, but there's nothing there, either...
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Post by: TCB on April 05, 2004, 08:44:40 PM
Greatest Story was pre-widescreen.  Academy, always and forever.

I don't think it's the worst film to win Best Picture - I certainly would give that honor to Chariots of Fire, a film I really couldn't stand.

Thank you, BK, I could never stand that movie either.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 08:44:41 PM
(I've also fondled Martha Raye's special Oscar as well.)
Careful, I met Martha and could come up with a couple of good sniggers about that one!
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 05, 2004, 08:47:12 PM
What I think is so funny is that perfectly good actors become dreadful actors in DeMille pictures which only leads me to believe his manner of direction and taste in acting never advanced from the silent days when a broader, more exaggerated style was acceptable.

And yet it's strange that Billy Wilder managed to get a nice performance out of him for Sunset Boulevard.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 08:48:04 PM
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Post by: Matt H. on April 05, 2004, 08:55:39 PM
Not giving L.A. CONFIDENTIAL the Best Picture Oscar was a criminal injustice. That is a brilliant piece of work and one I seem to enjoy more every time I watch it.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 05, 2004, 08:57:25 PM
I'm pretty much agreeing with the gerneral dissing here of [d]The Greatest Show on Earth[/b] and Chariots of Fire, but I'm not ashamed to admit that I completely bought Titanic lock, stock, and steerage.  I was dragged kicking and screaming to the theater to see it, but I wound up letting myself get caught up in it.  I know I'm in the minority here, but I do feel that it was a wonderful movie.
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Post by: TCB on April 05, 2004, 08:59:06 PM
I really want to try Gefilte Fish and Matzoh Ball soup? I wonder if there are Jewish places to dine in my area?

Michael -- Whatever you do, don't let your first taste of gefilte fish be the stuff out of the jar.  I guarantee you will never want to try it again.  There must be a Jewish temple somewhere in your area.  Call them up, tell them you are curious about certain foods associated with Passover, and ask where they would recommend that you get some to try.  They will undoubtedly by thrilled that you are interested (and you might meet a nice eligible Jewish doctor).

I was very lucky that when I lived in Seattle with a Jewish friend of mine, that every year his Mother moved in with us for Passover, and she welcomed me into the family for the Seder.  She no longer made her own gefilte fish, but she knew all the best places in Seattle to buy it, and a lot of it in the Northwest is made with a combination of salmon and whitefish.  Real gefilte fish is wonderful, the stuff in the jar is nasty.
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Post by: TCB on April 05, 2004, 09:08:06 PM
This is going to sound terrible (or wonderful, depending on your pov, I guess) but I have actually held Heston's Moses' staff in my hands...Yeah, yeah, snicker, snicker, get it all the inuenndo out...Composed yourself now?  When I worked with Heston on stage, he threw a party up at his digs in Coldwater Canyon...among his prominently displayed memorabilia is the Moses staff from TEN C.  I also touched his Oscar...and that's NOT a euphemsim for anything either! (I've also fondle Martha Raye's  special Oscar as well)

I've heard his other staff is bigger!
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Post by: TCB on April 05, 2004, 09:14:11 PM
Come to think of it, with DeMille directing, what would have been wrong with putting Norma Desmond in the picture?
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 09:16:46 PM
I'm pretty much agreeing with the gerneral dissing here of [d]The Greatest Show on Earth[/b] and Chariots of Fire, but I'm not ashamed to admit that I completely bought Titanic lock, stock, and steerage.  I was dragged kicking and screaming to the theater to see it, but I wound up letting myself get caught up in it.  I know I'm in the minority here, but I do feel that it was a wonderful movie.
CoF isn't a perfect film, but technically it works quite well, and I enjoy it.  Sorry, BK, but I like the score, too.

I'm with Dan here about Titanic.  Der Brucer and I both enjoyed it, for the spectacle and for it's intensity.  Sure, the dialogue was lame, but everything that took place during the sinking itself was prepped earlier in the film, so that I was never wondering where the heck I was on the ship during that final hour.  (Although I admit to wanting to cheer when Leonardo fed the fishies.)

I've never been able to sit through aBM, even though we have it on DVD.  And I've never seen GSoE.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 09:23:29 PM
Time for a very goy question: what difference is there between the beef brisket served for Passover, and the corned beef brisket served so often as part of St. Patty's?  I'm pretty sure it's the same cut of beef, but how are the preparations different?
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on April 05, 2004, 09:36:37 PM
SWW,

You're right - the cut is the same (and preferably with a fair bit of fat). But the Jewish-style brisket isn't corned (unless you're specifically having corned beef). Rather, it's slowly cooked, either on the stovetop or in the oven. Everyone has his/her own recipe. I pile mine on top of tons of sliced onions, season it with garlic, cover the pan extremely tightly, and let it cook very slowly on top of the stove - not till it falls apart, but until it is as tender as possible. For Passover you don't use flour, so I add a little potato starch to all the oniony, beefy liquid, and that's the gravy.
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on April 05, 2004, 09:44:11 PM
SWW (and anyone else),

I can e-mail you the precise recipe - just let me know if you'd like it. I also have a good recipe for gefilte fish. I can get both to you in time for Easter.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 05, 2004, 09:47:07 PM
SWW,

You're right - the cut is the same (and preferably with a fair bit of fat). But the Jewish-style brisket isn't corned (unless you're specifically having corned beef). Rather, it's slowly cooked, either on the stovetop or in the oven. Everyone has his/her own recipe. I pile mine on top of tons of sliced onions, season it with garlic, cover the pan extremely tightly, and let it cook very slowly on top of the stove - not till it falls apart, but until it is as tender as possible. For Passover you don't use flour, so I add a little potato starch to all the oniony, beefy liquid, and that's the gravy.
Thank-you, Dan!  That answers my question, and sounds delish at the same time.  I would imagine using a slow-cooker could also work (they do have their uses).

Another goy question: why no wheat flour?  (Correct me if I'm wrong about the "no flour" rule just being about wheat flour, of course.)

And yes, I'd love the recipes!  
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Post by: Kerry on April 05, 2004, 09:54:53 PM
You've now made me want brisket.   But it has to be really lean.   There's a great deli nearby, so maybe on one of my days off, I'll get there on a day when the brisket is lean.
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on April 05, 2004, 09:57:33 PM
SWW,

During the Passover period, observant Jews don't eat bread or any kind of food that has leavening properties.

(Matzah, unleavened bread, is made of flour, but its preparation is carefully supervised to ensure that absolutely no fermentation takes place.)
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Post by: TCB on April 05, 2004, 10:14:52 PM
DiT -- I would love the recipe too.
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Post by: Tomovoz on April 05, 2004, 10:47:02 PM
I loved "The Greatest Show On Earth". Of course I was only seven years old when I saw it and I will hold on to the memory. (I have not seen it since). I also loved "Trapeze" and "The Flying Fontanes". I still very much enjoy "Chariots" too. On the other hand I found "Titanic" too be very silly. I was certainly on the side of the Iceberg. Horses and courses I guess.
I watched "CAMP" last night and though it succeeded despite itself. It still has charm.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 05, 2004, 11:13:59 PM
MattH, I agree about LA CONFIDENTIAL.  Great film!  Curtis Hanson, the director, is also a very nice man.
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Post by: bk on April 05, 2004, 11:23:21 PM
I, too, liked LA Confidential, although for those of us with good memories of LA in that era, there is one BAD art direction gaffe.
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Post by: Panni on April 05, 2004, 11:40:21 PM
The insane Hungarian is back from the seder. Food was excellent - including REALLY strong horseradish and delish  gefilte fish. And I loved my Hillel Sandwich - had seconds. Conversation was good. After dinner we sat around in the living room - turned out that a couple of the guests had lived around or worked at Grossingers and Browns in the 60's and had hilarious stories of Buddy Hackett and other comedians. We laughed quite a bit - get a bunch of Jews and some very sweet wine together and you have a wild old time. The best part was that I didn't have to drive home - Just walk to the back of the Big House and voila.