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Title: TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 12:00:50 AM
Well, you've read the notes, you know their deep meaning, you know their ins and outs and also their outs and ins and now it is time to post until the Jasons come home.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 12:08:39 AM
Welcome ten GUESTS.
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Post by: Jed on April 13, 2004, 12:13:45 AM
From the notes...
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There’s also an anomaly from when I first saw it – in the preview print (I really can’t remember the subsequent times I saw it when it came out – but I think it was there, too) you could clearly hear Anyone Can Whistle being played on the piano in the opening party scene. It’s totally gone now.

Odd.  I've only seen the VHS of the movie, but the Anyone Can Whistle bit was most certainly present in that format.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 13, 2004, 12:35:57 AM
Oh, a wonderful topic and because I am in the deadliest part of my script deadline, I do not  have as much time to devote to it as I would like...I can talk mysteries for days...

Favourite film mysteries:

THE THIN MAN
THE MALTESE FALCON
OUT OF THE PAST
FAREWELL MY LOVELY
MURDER, MY SWEET
HOUND OF THE BASKERVILLES (my own adaptation, Ian Richardson, 1983)
THE BIG SLEEP
LOVE LETTERS
LAURA
SLEUTH
THE UNINVITED
WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION
GREEN FOR DANGER

Fiction

SHERLOCK HOLMES by Conan Doyle
THE HIGH WINDOW by Raymond Chandler
THE NIGHT OF THE JABBERWOCK by Fedric Brown
THE FAR CRY by Fredric Brown
THE DAIN CURSE by Dashiell Hammett
RED HARVEST by Dashiell Hammett
FINAL NOTICE by Johnathan Valin
THE LIME PIT by Johnathan Valin
RENDEZVOUS IN BLACK by Cornell Woolwich
DAUGHTER OF TIME by Josephine Tey
BEAU GESTE by P.C. Wren


Mystery books series

Harry Stoner by Johnathan Valin
Ed & Am Hunter by Fredric Brown
Paul Pine by Howard Browne (John Evans)
Phillip Marlowe by Raymond Chandler
Elvis Cole by Robert Crais
Marcus Didius Falco by Lindsey Davis
Tobey Peters by Stuart Kaminksy
Philo Vance by S.S. Van Dine
Fu Manchu by Sax Rohmer
Sherlock, of course by Conan Doyle

Plays

SLEUTH
ANGEL STREET
CRUCIFER OF BLOOD
THE EBONY APE (my Sherlock Holmes Mystery-play)

This will have to do for the nonce...
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Post by: Michael on April 13, 2004, 03:32:03 AM

THE BIG SLEEP (such a myustery that even the author doesn't know who killed someone)
THE MALTESE FALCOn
HOUND OF THE BASKERVILLES (Peter Cushing never saw Ian Richardson)
LAURA
MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS
WITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION
SLEUTH

Plays
THE MOUSETRAP
DEATHRAP (Really a thriller)
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Dave in the valley on April 13, 2004, 04:11:49 AM
Mysteries?
   Movie- old school; - any of the pre-Hollywood black and white Hitchcock films like "The 39 Steps" or "Young and Innocent" or "The Lady Vanishes". Modern school; I love "Blue Velvet".
    Books - I used to read a corny series of books when I was growing up called "the Happy Hollisters" - kind of a cross between Scooby Doo (minus Scooby) and the Brady Bunch. And I liked Asimov's "Robots of Dawn".
     TV - again I must invoke "The Night Stalker".

Dave
   
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Post by: William E. Lurie on April 13, 2004, 06:21:14 AM
The late multi-talented Steve Allen wrote a wonderful series of mystery books over the years in which he and his wife Jayne Meadows Allen kept getting involved in solving murders and other crimes.  These books mixed real life celebrities (who were never the victims or murderers) and real locations with fictional characters and were very entertaining.  There were at least 8 or 9  paperback originals, and they may still be in print.

On television I liked "Murder She Wrote" initially, but I stopped watching for two reasons.  First of all the longer it ran, the more it became "The Love Boat" of mysteries with too many second or third class guest stars.  And secondly, thanks to long football games  or other sporting events, I never knew what time it would be starting each week.  Still Angela always made it worth watching, even when her performance was superior to the scripts (which was most of the time).

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Post by: DERBRUCER on April 13, 2004, 06:47:18 AM
TOD:

"What are your favorite mysteries, both book, television and film?"

Fortunately Dr. Sinister (DR Pogue) saved the day by including plays, echoed by DR Shayne.

Favorite mystery plays include:

Witness for the Prosecution
Sleuth
Dial "M" for Murder
Wait Unitil Dark
Death Trap

Favorite mystery novel: "Black Mountain" -Rex Stout

And let's not forget TV sans tube, Radio:

Sorry Wrong Number

derBrucer (who used to consider "Crucifer of Blood" a guilty pleasure, but now DR Pogue has vindicated my taste)

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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 13, 2004, 06:52:04 AM
Wow--this site sure is sluggish this morning.  Good thing I'm a patient man  ::)

DR Pogue--Nik-Nik shirts were 100% rayon shirts from the early 70s.  They felt like stretchy silk and were very eye-catching with their bold bright colorful prints.  Unfortunately, they tended to retained odors and were highly susceptible to cigarette burns.  They fetch a lot of buck today on eBay.

Great TOD.  I love a good mystery.  My favs:

Books:
Christie:
Hall'ween Party (US title--called something else in Britian.  My first Agatha Christie mystery that I read in 7th grade)
The Murder of Roger Ackroyd (was this ever filmed?)
Murder on the Orient Express
The Mysterious Affair at Styles

Ngaio Marsh:
Vintage Murder
Opening Night

Hammett:
The Glass Key
The Dain Curse

Farewell, My Lovely by Raymond Chandler
A Study in Scarlet by Arthur Conan Doyle
Shroud for a Nightingale by P.D. James
The Judge and His Hangman by Friedrich Duerrenmatt

Movies:
Murder on the Orient Express
Death on the Nile
Murder, She Said
Murder at the Gallop
The Big Sleep
Rebecca
Witness for the Prosecution
Sleuth


Plays:
Deathtrap
Crucifer of Blood
(Thanks to DR Pogue for reminding me of this one.)

There is a play I read years ago by Anthony Shaeffer called Murderers which was damn funny but I've never heard of it being produced in the USA.  has anyone ever seen a production done over here?









Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: MBarnum on April 13, 2004, 07:37:27 AM
Movie mysteries:
MURDER IN THE BLUE ROOM (1944)
THE CAT CREEPS (1946)
THE PENGUIN POOL MURDER
AND THEN THERE WERE NONE
GUMNAAM

books:
THE CAT WHO ATE DANISH (and several others in that series)
STAIRWAY TO AN EMPTY ROOM by Dolores Hitchens

TV:
PERRY MASON
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Matt H. on April 13, 2004, 08:00:05 AM
Well, I've said it so much I'm starting to sound like an echo of myself, but for TV mystery series, my favorite is and always will be ELLERY QUEEN with Jim Hutton. A&E ran these for a long time, and I was never smart enough to videotape them. They'll come around again sometime, and I'll get them.

As for favorite TV-filmed mystery: NEMESIS with Joan Hickson

My favorite movie mystery isn't the best ever done (I think that's THE MALTESE FALCON) but for me is the campiest and most entertaining: EVIL UNDER THE SUN.

Others I love besides those two:

MURDER MY SWEET
AND THEN THERE WERE NONE
MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS
L. A. CONFIDENTIAL
CHINATOWN

Mystery books:

My favorite Christie isn't very well known  - TOWARD ZERO, but it's an interesting mystery with a man about to commit suicide as the main character. I also love THE ABC MURDERS and A CARIBBEAN MYSTERY.

I could never get into the Dorothy Sayers mysteries though I enjoyed the BBC renditions of the Lord Peter Whimsey stories with the fabulous Ian Carmichael.

Not a great fan of Marsh or P.D. James either, though both are fine writers.

I have read every one of the Sue Grafton alaphabet series and think B is the best mystery and M the most affecting. I cried after I finished it.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Kerry on April 13, 2004, 08:28:01 AM
Well, I have been errant and truant (E and T) which is a mystery in itself.   But here I am, and I Love A Mystery!
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Post by: Matt H. on April 13, 2004, 08:36:38 AM
It has been raining all morning here and is as dreary and cold as can be for April.

I shouldn't complain; we need the rain. But it's forcing me to go to my storage room upstairs and start cleaning, rearranging, and throwing out stuff.
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Post by: Stuart on April 13, 2004, 08:37:40 AM
There is a play I read years ago by Anthony Shaeffer called Murderers which was damn funny but I've never heard of it being produced in the USA.  has anyone ever seen a production done over here?

How prescient!  MURDERER (I don't believe it is pluralized)will be performed by the Department of Theatre at SUNY Brockport next spring.

I am the Arts Events Manager at this institution of higher learning, and am preparing the season brochure as we speak.....  Perhaps an HHW Group Sale is in the offing?

Though I enjoy mysteries, I've never actively seeked them out.  In the realm of film, I would have to agree with some of the greater b/w Hitchcock's, but also the all-star Agatha Christie's (in addition to Murder on the Orient Express, don't forget Death on the Nile and Evil Under the Sun).

On TV, I was a fan of the 70s version of ELLERY QUEEN with Jim Hutton and David Wayne.

I remember seeing CRUCIFER OF BLOOD onstage, but all I remember is Glenn Close, Paxton Whitefish and the boat chase.  And, of course, the late lamented ORIGINAL Helen Hayes Theatre.

Fiction-wise, all I can contribute is being a fan of Encyclopaedia Brown.  And wait....there was this series of books...all set in P-town...they all had titles that were colors.....COBALT was one.  SCARLET was another  (Or was it Vermillion? (And was he Castilian?  Was he named Lillian? ...I digress.....)) At any rate, it featured a gay private dick - no comments, please - and I want to say the author's name was Alldyne, or something.  I am sure they were ghost written by someone, but that is the name i seem to remember.  They were fun.

Surely someone out there was a Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew fan, either on the page or on TV?
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Stuart on April 13, 2004, 08:39:51 AM
my favorite is and always will be ELLERY QUEEN with Jim Hutton. ..... but for me is the campiest and most entertaining: EVIL UNDER THE SUN.

Sorry, DR MattH, I posted before I finished reading.  Iwas just so excited that someone else had heard of MURDERER!
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Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 08:48:08 AM
The opening scene of Murderer (or is it the opening act) is quite gruesome if I recall.  QUITE gruesome.

A big yes to Witness for the Prosecution and Dial M For Murder.
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Post by: Matt H. on April 13, 2004, 08:52:24 AM
Nice to see we have such GREAT taste in mysteries!

And just like the other day when we were discussing 70s movies that were favorites, I left out SLEUTH and I did it again!

I love SLEUTH on stage and on film. The fact that director Mankiewicz keeps cutting to various objects in the room (the Edgar Award, Jolly Jack, etc.) as if they were watching the goings on between the characters makes THEM players in the games. Brilliant.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on April 13, 2004, 08:57:09 AM
Favorite mystery: Something's Afoot.

Kerry, are you still going to see the Sisters Callaway?
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 13, 2004, 09:09:49 AM
The opening scene of Murderer (or is it the opening act) is quite gruesome if I recall.  QUITE gruesome.

But also hideously funny.  I could see John Cleese in the lead.

DR Stuart, when I was in college I campaigned my ass off to get our drama department to do this play.  It was eventually nixed by the lead designer as being way too difficult (we did Deathtrap instead.)  When you say it's being done at SUNY next spring, I guess you mean in 2005?

Does everyone recall what Crucifer of Blood touted as it's top attraction?
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 09:14:17 AM
Say, where in tarnation IS everyone?  It must be Tuesday the 13th.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 13, 2004, 09:18:36 AM
It has been raining all morning here and is as dreary and cold as can be for April.

I shouldn't complain; we need the rain. But it's forcing me to go to my storage room upstairs and start cleaning, rearranging, and throwing out stuff.

DR MattH, doesn't this weather just blow!  I was having Spring Fever last week and now I feel like getting back into my winter cocoon.  The magnolia trees around my building blossomed last week but now the rain is washing off their petels.  Feh!  This weather makes me feel like a moody teen-ager!
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Post by: Stuart on April 13, 2004, 09:20:35 AM
When you say it's being done at SUNY next spring, I guess you mean in 2005?

Does everyone recall what Crucifer of Blood touted as it's top attraction?

DR DTM, yes, next spring....precisely one year from now.  April 22, 23, 24 and 29, 30 and May 1 of aught-five.  (As hard as I tried, I couldn't get them to move that opening weekend.  Passover seders are not quite the cutural phenomenon here in Brockport as they are in my homeland of Brooklyn.)

Shall I book you a pair of seats for the second weekend now?   ;)

As I recall, the Broadway production of CRUCIFER indeed touted its physical production (including the afore-mentioned boat chase finale) as its "headliner," but as I recall, John Wood was above the title.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 13, 2004, 09:27:40 AM
Shall I book you a pair of seats for the second weekend now?   ;)

Yes, but not in the front row (unless you will be handing out plastic ponchos as they do at Gallagher performances.)

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As I recall, the Broadway production of CRUCIFER indeed touted its physical production (including the afore-mentioned boat chase finale) as its "headliner," but as I recall, John Wood was above the title.

Paxton Whitehead originally played Holmes.  But you're getting warm with what the show's main "attraction" was.

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Post by: Jennifer on April 13, 2004, 09:32:05 AM
I am here and I am hungry.  I'm curious when do most people here (who celebrate Passover) finish?  We've always ended today at lunch.  So while I won't eat bread (since I rarely do), I will perhaps eat something non-Passover like.

Btw, not happy about American Idol being moved to tomorrow.  I wonder if there is any chance at all that the Canadian affiliate would show it today. Probably not.
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Post by: Stuart on April 13, 2004, 09:33:26 AM
Yes, but not in the front row (unless you will be handing out plastic ponchos as they do at Gallagher performances.)Paxton Whitehead originally played Holmes.  But you're getting warm with what the show's main "attraction" was.

LOL, re: MURDERER seats.

Now, getting back to CRUCIFER, I am indeed confusing it with SHERLOCK HOLMES, in which I do believe John Wood played the sleuth.  You are absolutely correct about Paxton Whitefish, as I had mentioned him in my earlier post.

But you are baiting me with your knowledge of the main "attraction."  Did I possibly block out someone nekkid from my mind?  But wait!  I seem to recall a bit of homo-eroticism in the plot as well.....though it's as foggy to me as the set was in the final act.
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Post by: Joy on April 13, 2004, 09:34:45 AM
I have seen/read perhaps four or five mysteries in my whole life (not really my genre), although I first read the complete Sherlock Holmes when I was about 10 and have read it several times since then.  Can't get enough Sherlock.  When I was a sprig of a twig of a lass, I had a fondness for Encyclopedia Brown ("How do I know you're lying?  Because there is no 31st of September!").

So I'm back at a temp job where I have nothing to do (at the moment) and nobody staring over my shoulder, so I actually have time to post!  Whooopeeee!!!  Hi, Everyone!
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Post by: Stuart on April 13, 2004, 09:35:49 AM
I am here and I am hungry.  I'm curious when do most people here (who celebrate Passover) finish?  We've always ended today at lunch.  So while I won't eat bread (since I rarely do), I will perhaps eat something non-Passover like.


I usually eat dinner late, though now that we have changed the clocks, it won't quite be after sunset here in Western NY.  But yes, chometz will be eaten for dinner tonight.  And not a minute too soon.
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Post by: Joy on April 13, 2004, 09:38:06 AM
Jennifer, Re: AI -- I'm actually glad it's moved to tomorrow, because then I can actually watch it!  I am just sick, sick sick that John and Jon are still on there.  Did the rest of the country see the performances I saw?  What is WRONG with people?
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Post by: Jay on April 13, 2004, 09:38:11 AM
Welcome back, Dear Reader Joy!
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Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 09:38:44 AM
Nice to see you again, Joy!  We miss people when they're gone.
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Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 09:39:43 AM
Jay: What are you seeing tonight?  ;D

Did you say hello to those Callaways?
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Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 09:40:41 AM
Speaking of Those Callaways, I got a nice note from Alex Rybeck - I might try to get down there to see them.  I just really hate that room and hate the service and hate the food.  Otherwise, it's fine.
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Post by: Jennifer on April 13, 2004, 09:49:03 AM
Jennifer, Re: AI -- I'm actually glad it's moved to tomorrow, because then I can actually watch it!  I am just sick, sick sick that John and Jon are still on there.  Did the rest of the country see the performances I saw?  What is WRONG with people?


DR Joy it is so nice to see you back!

Okay I'm probably the wrong person to answer this since I love John Stevens and Jon Peter Lewis.  But I think much of the reason they are still around is because all of the little girls who watch AI love them.

Yes, I know that they haven't been too good the past couple of weeks.  But I see something in both of them that is different and unique.  And I just feel like they have a lot of potential.

I'm really glad they haven't been voted off yet.  But I really hope that they both do better this week.
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Post by: Jay on April 13, 2004, 09:50:48 AM
Jay: What are you seeing tonight?  ;D

Did you say hello to those Callaways?

Believe it or not, Mr. Smarty Pants BK, my calendar is clear for the next two evenings!

And yes, I did.  Liz remembered meeting me in Palm Springs two months ago when she appeared with Mr. Jason Graae.  Ann doesn't know me from Adam, but she was very courteous when I congratulated her on the show.
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Post by: Jay on April 13, 2004, 09:52:11 AM
Speaking of Those Callaways, I got a nice note from Alex Rybeck - I might try to get down there to see them.

It would be worth your while.
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Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 09:55:24 AM
Did you eat?  Was the food better than when I was there for our very own Melissa Errico?  Were the waiters annoying?
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Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 09:57:00 AM
Now that I think of it, I think The Crucifer of Blood did have nudity, because a school chum of mine understudied Miss Glenn Close and I think she told me that.
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Post by: Stuart on April 13, 2004, 10:01:44 AM
Now that I think of it, I think The Crucifer of Blood did have nudity, because a school chum of mine understudied Miss Glenn Close and I think she told me that.

My vague memories are that it was of the male variety.  I look to DR Dan the Man to confirm.

Greetings, DB Jay!
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Post by: Matt H. on April 13, 2004, 10:02:22 AM
I always had SUCH enthusiasm teaching Holmes mysteries to my eighth and ninth graders. The last few years, we had "The Adventure of the Speckled Band," and my kids could never figure out why I was so wild about this stuff. I guess there just wasn't enough fast paced action and gory stuff for them. Too intellectual for many of their tastes.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 13, 2004, 10:02:58 AM
But you are baiting me with your knowledge of the main "attraction."  Did I possibly block out someone nekkid from my mind?  But wait!  I seem to recall a bit of homo-eroticism in the plot as well.....though it's as foggy to me as the set was in the final act.

When Crucifer first arrived on B'way, the big buzz was that it featured "real lightning" during the storm in Act One.  It turned out to be just one quick flash, lasting hardly more than a second.  I think it was later that same season that Frankenstein opened (and closed) with a labortory scene that was much more impressive.
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Post by: Matt H. on April 13, 2004, 10:05:18 AM
RE: AMERICAN IDOL

I would be shocked beyond description if FOX allowed a Canadian channel to have their feed of the show before it aired in the US.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 13, 2004, 10:07:27 AM
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Now that I think of it, I think The Crucifer of Blood did have nudity, because a school chum of mine understudied Miss Glenn Close and I think she told me that.

My vague memories are that it was of the male variety.  I look to DR Dan the Man to confirm.

Stuart's first post that mentioned nakedity gave me pause as well.  I'm also recalling some nudity involved, though it wasn't of the Maxwell Caulfield variety.  I'll have to scan through the published script I have at home tonight.
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Post by: Jay on April 13, 2004, 10:08:20 AM
Did you eat?  Was the food better than when I was there for our very own Melissa Errico?  Were the waiters annoying?

The Wolfgang Puck empire is now in charge of the kitchens at the Roosevelt Hotel.  A three-course prix-fixe dinner, for which one is charged $25 (in addition to the cover charge which, for the Callaways, is $40) is served.  

First course options include a seared ahi salad, a green salad or soup.  Last night the soup was vegetarian split pea, and that is what I had.  

Main course options include roast chicken, braised lamb shank or salmon.  Last night they had lobster pot pie and vegetarian lasagna available as specials, too.  I had the lamb shank and, though a bit fatty, it was tasty.  (When I saw Miss Patti LuPone at the Cinegrill a few weeks ago, they had the lobster pot pie as a special, too, and that is what I ordered.  It should have been called "The Hunt for Red Lobster," as little of the crustacean was to be found on my plate.)

Dessert choices included a chocolate raspberry torte, ice cream or something else that I am forgetting.  I passed on dessert last night, but when I saw Miss LuPone, I had the torte and it was quite delicious.

Drinks (pricey, as you might suspect), tax and tip are all additional.

Service was pleasant, if a bit brisk.

And--sound system notwithstanding--I happen to like the room.  No one is very far from the artists and the sight lines are good.
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Post by: Jennifer on April 13, 2004, 10:12:02 AM
RE: AMERICAN IDOL

I would be shocked beyond description if FOX allowed a Canadian channel to have their feed of the show before it aired in the US.

Well, because it's live I'm sure they won't.  But if it was just a regular drama, they might show it here.

Also sometimes if it's a last minute decision, the feed has already been sent.

The bad part for the Canadian channel is that they already have shows scheduled for wed and thurs.  So I'm not sure what they can do.
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Post by: Jay on April 13, 2004, 10:13:35 AM

Greetings, DB Jay!

Back at you, DB/DR Stuart!
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Post by: Jay on April 13, 2004, 10:22:10 AM
Regarding the topic o' the day:

Certainly the greatest mystery I've ever encountered is that Cats ran as long as it did on Broadway.
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Post by: Stuart on April 13, 2004, 10:33:55 AM
Regarding the topic o' the day:

Certainly the greatest mystery I've ever encountered is that Cats ran as long as it did on Broadway.


Ahhhh, dear brother, think what you (or I ) might of the show itself, it paid my rent, basically, for about 10 years.
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Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 10:35:50 AM
Thanks for the food report, Jay.  Definitely different selections than the slop I was offered.
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Post by: Maya on April 13, 2004, 10:44:12 AM
Regarding the topic o' the day:

Certainly the greatest mystery I've ever encountered is that Cats ran as long as it did on Broadway.

It still embarrasses me that it was my first Broadway show.  How to live that down?  Maybe I should lie from now on and say it was "Crazy For You."  That was my second show, albeit it was the touring company.

WB, Joy!  We've missed you!
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Post by: William E. Lurie on April 13, 2004, 11:01:15 AM
CATS was not a Broadway show.  It was a tourist attraction in a Broadway theatre.
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Post by: Panni on April 13, 2004, 11:08:51 AM
Ahhhh, dear brother, think what you (or I ) might of the show itself, it paid my rent, basically, for about 10 years.

Okay, if curiosity killed the cat -- I'm curious. What was your connection to CATS, DR Stuart, brother of DR Jay?
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 13, 2004, 11:26:52 AM
...doesn't this weather just blow!...Feh!  This weather makes me feel like a moody teen-ager!
Proof that it pays to re-read things: the first time through, I thought you had written "like a moldy teen-ager"!
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Post by: Panni on April 13, 2004, 11:28:16 AM
I don't think I have one favorite mystery. There are certain mystery writers I love... Christie, of course, Arthur Conan Doyle, Margaret Millar, Ruth Rendell, Simon Brett (the Charles Paris mysteries). Must remember the father of the mystery - Wilkie Collins THE MOONSTONE.

Movies - SLEUTH, MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS, AND THEN THERE WERE NONE, CHINATOWN, WAIT UNTIL DARK, THE MALTESE FALCON, etc...

More later perhaps. A quick story and back to work... When I belonged to Crime Writers of Canada, we once held a murder mystery night at some restaurant. We, the members, were the suspects and it was up to the paying public to find out whodunnit. One of the member/players was the eccentric writer Joseph Skvorecky (nominated for the Nobel Prize) who got bored of the whole thing and just up and left in the middle. Naturally, as he had a suspicious Eastern European accent and disappeared, everyone thought he was the killer and was hiding. Almost ruined the evening.
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Post by: Stuart on April 13, 2004, 11:28:46 AM
Okay, if curiosity killed the cat -- I'm curious. What was your connection to CATS, DR Stuart, brother of DR Jay?

For many years, DR Panni, I was with Columbia Artists Theatricals (a division of Columbia Artists Management Inc., aka CAMI), the booking agent for the road company of CATS.  At over 11 years, CATS #4, the bus&truck ---NOT the tour that is out there currently, which is non-union -- was at one time, the longest continuously running road company since the last OKLAHOMA! tour closed in the early fifties.  I believe that the record has now been overtaken by the LES MIS company that is still touring, but could be mistaken.

At the time we started the CATS tour, CAT (ironic, eh?) was strictly a booking agent for the tours.  During my time there, we began producing, including the CAROUSEL tour in the mid-90s, STOMP, and many others.

Had it not been for the income from CATS, the Theatricals arm of Columbia Artists would not have been strong enough to warrant entering into production.

And that is how those little jellicle cats paid my rent.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 13, 2004, 11:29:22 AM
...So I'm back at a temp job where I have nothing to do (at the moment) and nobody staring over my shoulder, so I actually have time to post!  Whooopeeee!!!  Hi, Everyone!
Welcome back, Joy!
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 13, 2004, 11:31:27 AM
Proof that it pays to re-read things: the first time through, I thought you had written "like a moldy teen-ager"!

Well, since I am 45, that would make me a pretty moldy teen-ager.

"Hey!  Duuuuuuude!  Sup?"
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Post by: Joy on April 13, 2004, 11:31:43 AM
Thanks for the welcomes, all!  

Jennifer, what you said does not explain why those two deadbeats are so popular.  The redheaded one is constantly flat and has NO vocal or physical inflection when he sings.  Monotonous.  The other one is as awkward as Glenn Close at a Patti LuPone opening and the best that can be said for his voice is "mildly soothing."  Root for them if you must, but why, when there are so much more talented people on the show?  How about that amazing diva who sang "Circle of Life" like she meant it?  That's what I require of the American Idol:  that they mean what they sing and that they sing like they mean it.

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Post by: Joy on April 13, 2004, 11:35:40 AM
I would appreciate any good vibes you all have to send my way, as I am awaiting word from the producers of the Asian tour of 42nd Street, for which I had my final callback on Friday.  Thank you!
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Post by: Jay on April 13, 2004, 11:47:40 AM
Good vibes and excellent xylophones to you, Dear Reader Joy!
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Post by: Jennifer on April 13, 2004, 11:58:48 AM
Thanks for the welcomes, all!  

Jennifer, what you said does not explain why those two deadbeats are so popular.  The redheaded one is constantly flat and has NO vocal or physical inflection when he sings.  Monotonous.  The other one is as awkward as Glenn Close at a Patti LuPone opening and the best that can be said for his voice is "mildly soothing."  Root for them if you must, but why, when there are so much more talented people on the show?  How about that amazing diva who sang "Circle of Life" like she meant it?  That's what I require of the American Idol:  that they mean what they sing and that they sing like they mean it.



DR Joy another thing you must remember is that most people watching AI, don't have your level of musical expertise.

But I still maintain that most of the voters are teenage girls who think Jon and John are "cute". So they vote for them.

Oh I totally agree about Jennifer Hudson.  She gave my favorite performance last week.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 13, 2004, 12:04:35 PM
Fiction-wise, all I can contribute is being a fan of Encyclopaedia Brown.  And wait....there was this series of books...all set in P-town...they all had titles that were colors.....COBALT was one.  SCARLET was another  (Or was it Vermillion? (And was he Castilian?  Was he named Lillian? ...I digress.....)) At any rate, it featured a gay private dick - no comments, please - and I want to say the author's name was Alldyne, or something.  I am sure they were ghost written by someone, but that is the name i seem to remember.  They were fun.
I remember these books quite well; we've got them somewhere downstairs, still in a box.  (We've got more books than bookshelves, it seems!)

Nathan Aldyne was a collaborative pseudonym for two writers, Michael McDowell and Dennis Schuetz.  (With a last name like that, I can understand Dennis taking a pseudonym!)  The series of books starred hunky gay detective/bartender, Daniel Valentine, and his best friend/fag hag, Clarisse Lovelace.  They bantered much like Nick and Nora, but didn't sleep together.  Although the Provencetown setting is what people remember, only the second of the books took place there; the others took place in Boston.

Published between 1980 and 1986, the four titles were Vermillion, Cobalt, Slate, and Canary.  From what I understand, the death of one of the writing partners is what led to the end of the books.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 13, 2004, 12:05:26 PM
More later perhaps. A quick story and back to work... When I belonged to Crime Writers of Canada, we once held a murder mystery night at some restaurant. We, the members, were the suspects and it was up to the paying public to find out whodunnit. One of the member/players was the eccentric writer Joseph Skvorecky (nominated for the Nobel Prize) who got bored of the whole thing and just up and left in the middle. Naturally, as he had a suspicious Eastern European accent and disappeared, everyone thought he was the killer and was hiding. Almost ruined the evening.

When I was in a production of Death on the Nile (or was it Murder on the Nile?)  I wanted the the role of the sleuth (not Poirot but a Reverend Cannonfeather or something like that.)  Instead, I was cast as the German doctor character.  Being rather small and petty, I went out of my way to make damn sure that the audience would suspect me of the murder in the play.  I did whatever I could get away with--abruptly changing my character's nature from remote and stiff before the murder to pleasant and outgoing after, "inconspicuously" crumpling up bits of paper and pocketing small, incidental set props, and being perhaps a little too knowing when my character theorizes on how the murder might have been commited.  And this all worked--everyone who came up to me after the play told me that they thought I was the murderer.  But at some point, some of the other cast members caught on to what I was doing and they also started anteing the suspicious behavior.  Every night we were trying to out-do each other in vieing for the role of chief suspect.  By the time the play had ended its run I think we managed to change this quaint murder mystery into a disturbing gothic psycodrama.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 13, 2004, 12:06:49 PM
Third page dance!!!

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Post by: Stuart on April 13, 2004, 12:16:00 PM
I remember these books quite well; we've got them somewhere downstairs, still in a box.  (We've got more books than bookshelves, it seems!)

Nathan Aldyne was a collaborative pseudonym for two writers, Michael McDowell and Dennis Schuetz.  (With a last name like that, I can understand Dennis taking a pseudonym!)  The series of books starred hunky gay detective/bartender, Daniel Valentine, and his best friend/fag hag, Clarisse Lovelace.  They bantered much like Nick and Nora, but didn't sleep together.  Although the Provencetown setting is what people remember, only the second of the books took place there; the others took place in Boston.

Published between 1980 and 1986, the four titles were Vermillion, Cobalt, Slate, and Canary.  From what I understand, the death of one of the writing partners is what led to the end of the books.

I knew SOMEONE here would know these!

But are you sure P-town didn't figure in at least two of them?  I seem to remember creating my own little walking tour based on the ones I was reading during summers I was up there, and I know I was in P-town more than once (OK, WAY more than once!), and saved those books for those vacations.....
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 13, 2004, 12:16:06 PM
DRCP - if your shirt was made of polyester, it was a NIKNIK shirt.  

Mysteries....mmmmmmmmmm.  Several of my favorites have already been mentioned, of course:

SLEUTH
DEATHTRAP
film and play

NORTH BY NORTHWEST for movies....although it was a hard choice.

And for books....Ellery Queen is my favorite detective, with Mr Holmes a close second, very close.

But LADY by Tom Tryon was a thriller that got to me....as did Mr Ira Levin's novel A KISS BEFORE DYING.
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Post by: Joy on April 13, 2004, 12:16:09 PM
DR Joy another thing you must remember is that most people watching AI, don't have your level of musical expertise.

But I still maintain that most of the voters are teenage girls who think Jon and John are "cute". So they vote for them.

Oh I totally agree about Jennifer Hudson.  She gave my favorite performance last week.
That's true, it's probably all about the cute boy factor.  Which would explain Justin Guarini.  Hopefully they'll wise up.  Those guys need to go.
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Post by: Jennifer on April 13, 2004, 12:17:29 PM


Good vibes for DR Joy!

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Post by: elmore3003 on April 13, 2004, 12:19:03 PM
Well, I knew DR MBarnum would beat me to the punch on PENGUIN POOL MURDER; I liked the original book, which was reprinted in the 1980s, as well.

Everyone's offered good choices, so I don't have much to add.  As a Ruth Rendell fan, I'll mention two foreign films made from her books I liked a lot:
LA CEREMONIE (Chabrol)
LIVE FLESH (Almodovar)

Another great foreign film is DIABOLIQUE.  Did anyone else mention it and I missed it?

I like Wilkie Collins as well, DR Panni, but I prefer the madness of THE WOMAN IN WHITE.  LeFanu's UNCLE SILAS is good and creepy as well.

When I was 12, we made a trek from Cincinnati to Tuscon over Christmas holiday to visit relatives.  My cousin had the entire set of Nancy Drews, which I started reading out of boredom.  I had several faves, but I can only think of "The Leaning Chimney" now.  MICKEY MOUSE CLUB had the Hardy Boys and I loved Joe and Frank (?) in the  "Tower Treasure."
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 13, 2004, 12:19:07 PM
My favorite mystery play technically isn't a mystery, although there are mysteries enough at it's heart.  The play is Tom Stoppard's Arcadia, which is both a literary romp and a touching tragedy.  Bouncing as it does between an English country manor in the circa 1810 and the same house of today, I find the antics of the scholarly detectives of the present in uncovering the antics of the residents of the past exactly like those of our most stylish detectives.  And everything does get unravelled correctly by the play's end.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 13, 2004, 12:22:23 PM
I knew SOMEONE here would know these!

But are you sure P-town didn't figure in at least two of them?  I seem to remember creating my own little walking tour based on the ones I was reading during summers I was up there, and I know I was in P-town more than once (OK, WAY more than once!), and saved those books for those vacations.....
Yes, DR Stuart, I am quite sure.  Sorry.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 13, 2004, 12:34:08 PM
Re The Last of Sheila:

I saw the film the first time when it was released, and still have the novelization based on the script somewhere (another of those boxes).  Der Brucer had not seen it, however, when I was able to locate a VHS copy.

So, a game was played.  I let him watch the film up to a certain point, specifically to where Richard Benjamin is wandering the docks alone.  At that point, I stopped the tape and told der Brucer to solve the mystery, that everything he needed had been given him during the film.

It took him a couple of days to recall all the bits and pieces.  Yes, I let him watch the film again up to that point.  And no, he did not cheat.  But solve the puzzle he did!

Are the characters archly written, and less than lovely?  Well, yeah.  But get over it!  The mystery itself is wonderfully crafted, and all the pieces fit.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 13, 2004, 12:35:18 PM
I would appreciate any good vibes you all have to send my way, as I am awaiting word from the producers of the Asian tour of 42nd Street, for which I had my final callback on Friday.  Thank you!

Hi, Joy!  It's nice to finally meet the other half of the team!  And I have to say that you seem to not at all be the "old ball-and-chain" that Noel so often complains about here and on ratm.  What's wrong with that guy?

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Post by: Panni on April 13, 2004, 01:01:07 PM
Thanks for answering the CATS question, DR Stuart.

And major GOOD VIBES to Joy!
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Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 01:06:12 PM
Get over my opinion, der Brucer?  Sorry, can't.  That's what makes the world go 'round.  Well, that and love.

Speaking of mysteries, I can barely believe it, but I alluded to the fact that today could be an interesting day and it has proven to be so.  I just wrote the last page of what I hope will be my new book.  I don't have a clew as to how this happened so quickly - I began it a mere ten weeks ago.  I have no idea if it's good or bad at this point, and I do need to go back and add some stuff I have notes on, that I didn't want to add until I'd finished.  So, for the next two weeks I'll be slowly and methodically going through it and seeing what's what.  But I'm happy I actually completed it and I do know parts of it are fine.  Whether it all holds up and/or works remains to be seen.
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Post by: Matt H. on April 13, 2004, 01:11:26 PM
Our local community theater did MURDER ON THE NILE over a decade ago, and I remembered the character of Canon Pennyfeather. It's funny because Christie used that character in a Miss Marple novel AT BERTRAM'S HOTEL, and he was anything but sharp enough to solve a crime. I can't remember now if the murderer in MURDER ON THE NILE is the same as in DEATH ON THE NILE.

Amazing to me how Christie adapted APPOINTMENT BY DEATH for the stage and using the same murder and most of the same characters from the novel ended up with two different solutions with two different murderers in book and play.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 13, 2004, 01:13:26 PM
The only reason I mentioned CRUCIFER OF BLOOD is because it was my swansong as an actor.  I was cast in the LA version which starred Charlton Heston as Holmes and Jeremy Brett as Watson (and he was just as brilliant as Watson as he was Holmes).  I was told I was the first actor to break the open call at the Ahmanson and be cast through an open Equity cattle call.  That was largely, thanks to Paul Giovanni, the author and director of the play, who told me, "Of the three hundred people you see at an open call and of the eighty you cal back, maybe only a dozen or so have any real talent and I want you to know you're one of those and I'm going to do everything I can to get you in this show."  True to his word, he did.  I played Mordecai Smith who has a lovely scene with Holmes and Watson at the end of the play and I understudied several other roles.  Though we had a loinclothed Andman Islander on stage at one point, there was no nudity that I recall in the production.  But there was damned effective lightning through the auspices of Bran Ferren, I believe his name was, special effects genius and John Hersey, the lighting director...both big names, I believe, in technical theatre.  

After this auspicious LA debut, I started making too much money as a screenwriter and acting took a back seat, though I've never officially retired.

Paul Giovanni is the one to whom Peter Shaffer dedicated EQUUS...His other Shaffer connection...He composed the music for THE WICKER MAN (another good mystery) and can be seen in several shots playing and singing the songs in the movie.  I believe Paul passed away of AIDS.

And speaking of Shaffer, isn't MURDERER the play that opens with someone dismembering a body onstage? I've always wanted to see the play staged.

Has anyone read any of the Shaffer brothers mystery collaborations under the name of Peter Antony?  I have one How Doth The Little Crocodile which I remember as entertaining...

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Post by: TCB on April 13, 2004, 01:17:10 PM

Does everyone recall what Crucifer of Blood touted as it's top attraction?


Well, of course, I know the main attraction of the original Broadway production of Crucifer of Blood............ my college roommate, making his Broadway debut as The Policeman.

One note regarding Sleuth:  It is one of my favorite plays of all time and a show that I have done four different times.  However, Anthony Shaffer was quite adamant that Sleuth not be called a mystery or a thriller, but instead he referred to it as "A Play."  The reason, according to Mr. Shaffer, is that there is no mystery involved in the play, except for the audience.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 13, 2004, 01:20:31 PM
S. Woody White, I think ARCADIA is perhaps one of the best plays written in the last dozen years.  Though it could only tenuously be considered a mystery, it is a great, great play and helps put the lie to that old chestnust that Tom Stoppard is cold and facile, intellectual but not emotional. It is an incredibly moving play.  I was fortunate to catch the original National Theatre Production when it transferred to the Haymarket (my favourite West End theatre) with most of the original cast intact.  I also saw a great production at the Taper.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on April 13, 2004, 01:25:54 PM
How about that amazing diva who sang "Circle of Life" like she meant it?  That's what I require of the American Idol:  that they mean what they sing and that they sing like they mean it.

Yes, Jennifer was in good voice that night.  It's a pity I could barely make out more than half the words she was supposed to be singing.

Enunciation should count for something, too!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on April 13, 2004, 01:30:23 PM
I remember these books quite well; we've got them somewhere downstairs, still in a box.  (We've got more books than bookshelves, it seems!)

Nathan Aldyne was a collaborative pseudonym for two writers, Michael McDowell and Dennis Schuetz.  (With a last name like that, I can understand Dennis taking a pseudonym!)  The series of books starred hunky gay detective/bartender, Daniel Valentine, and his best friend/fag hag, Clarisse Lovelace.  They bantered much like Nick and Nora, but didn't sleep together.  Although the Provencetown setting is what people remember, only the second of the books took place there; the others took place in Boston.

Published between 1980 and 1986, the four titles were Vermillion, Cobalt, Slate, and Canary.  From what I understand, the death of one of the writing partners is what led to the end of the books.

Several years ago, the surviving writer said he would write again and was looking for a writing partner to continue the series.

I believe, though, that he has also died since then.
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Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 01:35:42 PM
My goodness, not a word of congratulations?  Very unlike my Hainsies/Kimlets.  
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Post by: elmore3003 on April 13, 2004, 01:40:06 PM

Speaking of mysteries, I can barely believe it, but I alluded to the fact that today could be an interesting day and it has proven to be so.  I just wrote the last page of what I hope will be my new book.  I don't have a clew as to how this happened so quickly - I began it a mere ten weeks ago.  I have no idea if it's good or bad at this point, and I do need to go back and add some stuff I have notes on, that I didn't want to add until I'd finished.  So, for the next two weeks I'll be slowly and methodically going through it and seeing what's what.  But I'm happy I actually completed it and I do know parts of it are fine.  Whether it all holds up and/or works remains to be seen.

Dear Friend BK, many congrats!  I look forward to owning and reading it.
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Post by: elmore3003 on April 13, 2004, 01:41:37 PM
Get over my opinion, der Brucer?  Sorry, can't.  That's what makes the world go 'round.  Well, that and love.

According to the Red Queen, it's everybody minding their own business!
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Post by: Robin on April 13, 2004, 01:45:13 PM
Well, I think congratulations are in order!  

I'd do some fancy-schmancy CONGRATULATIONS thing, but all the various controls here are too intimidating for little ol' me.  
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Post by: elmore3003 on April 13, 2004, 01:46:33 PM
According to the Red Queen, it's everybody minding their own business!

Something I have a hard time doing!
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Post by: Stuart on April 13, 2004, 01:46:37 PM
And speaking of Shaffer, isn't MURDERER the play that opens with someone dismembering a body onstage? I've always wanted to see the play staged.


Yes, it does.

And it sounds like another pair of tickets for the production at SUNY Brockport!  DR Pogue, would you like to attend the same night as DR Dan the Man?  Group rates are available, after all.

Three cheers, Three musketeers, and Three Andrews Sisters to BK for completing his latest tome!
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Post by: Noel on April 13, 2004, 01:46:44 PM
As soon as I finish reading a BK book, he finishes writing another.  How will I ever keep up?  I enjoyed the first one very much, by the way.  Amazing the differences a few blocks and a few years can make (with my own childhood).

Dan's kidding, honey: I never once referred to you as the ball and chain.

Once, I was looking through my old playbills, and, upon seeing the main page of The Crucifer of Blood, my body trembled with fear.  There, in big letters, at the top of the page, it said...
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Post by: Noel on April 13, 2004, 01:47:34 PM
Claus Von Bulow presents
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Post by: Panni on April 13, 2004, 01:50:12 PM
Congratulations on finishing the first draft of your book in ten weeks, bk. Astonishing! :o
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Post by: Robin on April 13, 2004, 01:54:56 PM
By the way, as to the Topic of the Day:

My favorite mystery novel ever is an Ellery Queen novel entitled The Player on the Other Side.  Essentially, it deals with a nemesis that was Ellery Queen gone bad; everything that had happened to Queen happened exactly the opposite way to this guy.  

And as it turned out, I only recently discovered that this EQ novel was ghost-written by one of my favorite science-fiction writers, Theodore Sturgeon.  No wonder I liked it so much, eh?

But very few writers have given me as much pure pleasure as Agatha Christie, and my very favorite of her novels is The ABC Murders.

Like DR Charles Pogue, I'm also a fan of Stuart Kaminsky's Toby Peters series, which is a blessing to anyone who's a fan of movies in the forties.  And in the novel You Bet Your Life, guest-starring The Marx Brothers, Kaminsky gives the one of best "unmasking of the murderer" scenes I've ever read.  My favorite of the series is Catch a Falling Clown, which guest starred Emmett Kelly, and features the lead character hiding out from the police dressed as a clown.  (You'd never catch Philip Marlowe in that get up, no siree!)
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Post by: Ben on April 13, 2004, 01:59:02 PM
Welcome to Page 4!
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Post by: Ben on April 13, 2004, 02:02:01 PM
And a congratulatory dance to BK for a ten-week marathon (only he didn't know it was a marathon). I have finally found time to read (going back and forth on the LI railroad helped) and I am almost done w/Kritzertime. I would finish it tonight but I'm seeing Caroline, or Change (second performance, it began previews last night) so it will take another day or two before I complete my journey.

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Post by: TCB on April 13, 2004, 02:07:05 PM
GOOD VIBES, JOY,

AND WELCOME BACK.


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CONGRATS, BK!

YOU GO BOY.

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Post by: TCB on April 13, 2004, 02:10:11 PM
I think he needs a hat.
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Post by: Jay on April 13, 2004, 02:11:07 PM
Hoo and ray on today's major milestone!

Has a title been selected yet?
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Post by: MBarnum on April 13, 2004, 02:25:32 PM
Wow, another book almost finished! That is great BK! And we don't even have a clue (clew in HHW speak) as to what it is all about!

Well, as I plan on finishing up Kritzer Time very soon I shall be ready for another Kimmel book!
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 13, 2004, 02:26:07 PM
BK, I guess I was just too pea-green with envy.  I admire and am jealous of your work discipline and speed.  Congratulations! Congratulations!  Congratulations!  Now...when do I get to read it?
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Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 02:28:07 PM
I have to do these little additions, then I will be ready for our very own Pogue to read it.  My Kritzer muse, Margaret, just isn't into this sort of book.  I'm still hoping she'll check it out, but she really hates mysteries.

I do have a title, but I'm not quite ready to reveal it yet.
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Post by: Jennifer on April 13, 2004, 02:29:37 PM
What's with the spelling of "clew".  Am I the only one who doesn't get it? :(
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Post by: Joy on April 13, 2004, 02:32:36 PM
Good for you, BK!

JOSE, if you're around, here's a question for you:  So how many times have you heard Defying Gravity at auditions?  I'm gonna guess 73.

Swishy, you went to SU's summer program?  We gotta chat.

I've been trying to do a little catching up...oh, what I've missed.  

Well, I'm off to Ballet class...send good vibes to my muscles, which have been unused (in Ballet movements) for a couple weeks.  This is gonna be ruff.

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Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 02:34:30 PM
Clew: How Dame Agatha spelled "clue" in the English editions of her early books.
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Post by: TCB on April 13, 2004, 02:36:55 PM
By the way, BK, what night are you and Mr Barrett going to be dining together?  I was thinking that I might just hitchhike south in time to drop-in time for dessert.
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 13, 2004, 02:42:11 PM
So - it's a mystery, is it?

I was amiss in not offering congratulations to Mr BK on finishing the book that some DR's will especially find interesting, we have been told.

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Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 03:04:15 PM
Mr. Barrett and I are supping this very evening at the Hamburger Hamlet on Sunset.
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Post by: Jenny on April 13, 2004, 03:28:40 PM
Ben, I hope that you enjoy "Caroline, or Change"!  I saw it last night (and I sat next to a gentleman who reminded me of DR der Brucer in many ways), and it's truly the most exciting new musical I've seen in a long time.  Please post your thoughts after you see it!

Congratulations, on being so near to finishing the book, BK!  Do we know anything about this book?  Will you be telling us anything about it?  How very exciting to have a new Kimmel book so shortly after the last new Kimmel book was released!

Speaking of which, I really must pick up the other Kritzer books.  :-[

Many times during "Caroline, or Change" last night, it occured to me that the Noah character is reminiscent of Benjamin Kritzer.  Kritzer ought to be made into a musical!  Get to work!  ;)

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Post by: elmore3003 on April 13, 2004, 03:31:07 PM
I think he needs a hat.

Does anybody still wear a hat?  Oh, I do!
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: DearReaderLaura on April 13, 2004, 03:41:43 PM
Congratulations, dear bk, for finishing the draft of the book!
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Post by: MBarnum on April 13, 2004, 03:43:30 PM
Uh mystery book! Well, I know that will be a good one! It isn't about the host of a a hugely popular website forum whose posters get mysteriously bumped off one by one is it? LOL!

Well, whatever the plotline I will be looking forward to it!
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Post by: Jennifer on April 13, 2004, 03:43:49 PM
Hey thanks for the clew information.

Nancy Drew should have known clew.

Btw, congrats BK on almost finishing another book.  And have fun with Mr. Brent Barrett.

And yes DR TCB, I think Brent Barrett would make a lovely dessert. :)

Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jane on April 13, 2004, 03:44:45 PM
Jennifer I thought the holidays were from sunset to sunset.  I have never kept strict food traditions.  

Joy, hi and GOOD VIBES!


Stuart thank you for satisfying my curiosity was well. :)


Dan (the Man)-LOL.   I hope you improved the play.

Congratulations Bruce!!!!

Jenny will you be changing schools?
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Post by: Jenny on April 13, 2004, 03:56:43 PM
Jenny will you be changing schools?

Wow...thank you for asking!  I'm not entirely certain.  Though I very much want to transfer, I'm uncomfortable doing so without a very good reason, and the very good reason doesn't currently exist.  I'm still leaning towards it, but I'm sort of scared.

Then again, I went to South for four years (jr. and sr. high school in one), which is the amount of time most kids spend in high school.  I would spend two years at Central before graduating.  It would be sort of like going to community college!  Six years at one school is far too long.

We shall see.  :)
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jane on April 13, 2004, 04:01:21 PM
My current mystery is WHY CAN’T I STOP EATING?  This has been going on for weeks now.  I just pigged out on potato chips am feeling rather sick now.  Yesterday it was olives.  I can’t eat just one olive but must have an entire can at one sitting.  Off to see what else I can eat, but first I must change out of my tight jeans into something I can actually button up.  

I hope you are all nicer about my rant than my book group was this morning.  They yelled and made fun of me when I complained my jeans are too tight.  I got no sympathy.   ;D
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jenny on April 13, 2004, 04:03:02 PM
Jane, I certainly know the feeling!  I find myself pigging out all the time...I really have to do something about that.  :-[
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Post by: Jane on April 13, 2004, 04:03:16 PM
Jenny good luck and vibes  making a decision.
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Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 04:15:26 PM
Thanks to all for your nice thoughts.  I'm totally at a loss as to how it happened so fast.  I didn't think it would take six months, I thought it would go faster than that, but who knew ten weeks.  I have absolutely no memory of writing that much, but I must have written thirty pages a week (ten more than I ever did on any of the Kritzer books).  Maybe it's because this was so linear and I never had to stop and think what to do next - it just sort of went from thing to thing logically.  Plus, it's a whole other style of writing.  No matter what, it's been really interesting doing it.  

I haven't really told anyone anything about this book - maybe just a couple of people know the setting and a bit about the plot.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jane on April 13, 2004, 04:38:26 PM
Most of my favorite mysteries have been mentioned;

ELLERY QUEEN, the TV series with another favorite of mine, Jim Hutton

THE THIN MAN
SLEUTH
THE UNINVITED
REBECCA
AND THEN THERE WERE NONE
MAD MISS MANTON
DEATHTRAP
STRANGERS ON A TRAIN

I really think of WAIT UNTIL DARK as a thriller, not a mystery.

I enjoy Sherlock Holmes but don’t recall a favorite, but then I don’t believe I have seen the 1983 HOUND OF THE BASKERVILLES.  I shall have to rectify that.

I enjoy Tony Hillerman’s books.

That’s all I can remember for now.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jrand73 on April 13, 2004, 04:58:57 PM
Well....I had never seen KISMET so I watched it today on TCM....in widescreen.

What a beautiful movie.  Of course the hats were so tall most of the men had to duck coming through doors, but lovely nonetheless.  Vic Damone is very handsome, Howard Keel had a gained a bit of weight, and Dolores Gray always seems stuck in the 1950's to me, even though she is supposed to be in an earlier time....and Ann Blyth, well her voice is more shrill than lovely....but...

I liked it a lot....so nice to look at.  So nice to hear, but some of those lyrics - after a some of the couplets I felt like saying....Burma Shave!
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jrand73 on April 13, 2004, 05:19:41 PM
Someone was looking for FROM HELL IT CAME in chat last night.  Check EBAY there are a couple of DVD versions available!
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jennifer on April 13, 2004, 05:24:31 PM
DRs Jane and Jenny: You both look so skinny.  Leave the tight jean comments for those of us above a size 4. :)
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Post by: Jane on April 13, 2004, 05:39:10 PM
Jennifer, too tight jeans, whatever size, isn’t comfortable when you overeat.  :P Funny though, today my friends also thought I’m a size four.  I was after I had children (thanks to my vegetarian diet I was one of those rare people who lost weight after having babies), but it’s not so anymore.  I told Keith how my friends didn’t have any sympathy for me and he laughed and said “good for them”.  He’s so cute.  :) It really is just the non-stop junk eating that has got to stop.  :P Not getting my walk today made me eat more.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Robin on April 13, 2004, 05:50:52 PM
Someone was looking for FROM HELL IT CAME in chat last night.  Check EBAY there are a couple of DVD versions available!

That would be me.  Thanks for the tip!
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Post by: Robin on April 13, 2004, 06:20:58 PM
OOOOHHHH!!!

Page Five, and all is well!
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: S. Woody White on April 13, 2004, 06:50:30 PM
A grand experiment is taking place in our oven as I write!  Can a decent, interesting, and palatable mac-n-cheese be made from scratch?

It's all der Brucer's fault.  He spotted a few recipes in the newspaper and insisted that I make some.  We'll also be having steaks and salad.  (Amazing how well steak and mac-n-cheese go together.)
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 13, 2004, 06:53:54 PM
It's the perfect combination SWW.

Robin, I may get one as well!  Tobonga!

DRJANE - I must get my exercise program going.  Of course starting tomorrow I will be choreographing STATE FAIR so that will help....a LOT!
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jane on April 13, 2004, 06:57:39 PM
A grand experiment is taking place in our oven as I write!  Can a decent, interesting, and palatable mac-n-cheese be made from scratch?


If you don't like it let me know and I'll send you my recipe.  DerBrucer could do some research and find the recipe from FOG CITY DINER in San Francisco.  If successful I would like it too please.  Anyone here have their recipe book?
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 07:00:31 PM
I shall be off shortly to sup with Mr. Brent Barrett.  I will tell him hello for all of you.  I'll be back and will have a full report.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: elmore3003 on April 13, 2004, 07:06:33 PM
Tell Brent hello for me!
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on April 13, 2004, 07:06:44 PM
Mysteries? Rebecca (book and movie); Wait Until Dark (play, not movie); and current TV favorites: Monk and Without a Trace.

Today's notes: When I saw the comment about High Wind in Jamaica I briefly confused it with Cold Wind in August. I saw that one when I was young and impressionable - and thought it was a gem.

Macaroni and Cheese? I'm quite happy with Fanny Farmer's basic recipe, made with extra cheese and using a good quality Cheddar. We had Gord's 20-something nephew staying with us last year. He told me macaroni and cheese was one of his favorites, but when I served it he didn't recognize it. He had only seen the Kraft and Chef Boyardee versions.

I didn't see G.W. Bush on television tonight, but I caught his punim on the on-line version of the NY Times. He looks like he's wearing too much lipstick.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jane on April 13, 2004, 07:06:50 PM
JRand53 that should do it.  I would get up and dance right now if I only I could move comfortably.   Currently I’m working on graham crackers.  ::) Have fun tomorrow.

Bruce have a nice dinner.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jane on April 13, 2004, 07:10:49 PM
Dan-in Toronto my children were baffled by the strange macaroni & cheese at friends houses-that tasteless stuff that came out of boxes.    :D
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: S. Woody White on April 13, 2004, 07:41:13 PM
From what I can tell, there's endless variations on mac 'n cheese from scratch.  Different cheeses get used, sometimes a savory custard is the base.  The version in the recipe der Brucer handed me included an egg and evaporated milk custard, flavored with mustard, Worcestershire and dill.  

Two problems: a) der Brucer didn't like that much mustard.  That's easily altered, of course.

b) we ended up with enough to mac 'n cheese to serve a family of eight!  We're going to be lunching for quite some time.

But I love the crusty sides and top, and the lack of Cheetos-orange in the overall color.  For a first time, this dish was going in the right direction.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 13, 2004, 07:50:46 PM
Dan-in Toronto my children were baffled by the strange macaroni & cheese at friends houses-that tasteless stuff that came out of boxes.    :D

This mac-and-cheese thing is pretty funny 'cause, well, guess what I made for myself tonight?  Right out of the blue and white box.  And even worse, I didn't follow the directions--I didn't add butter and milk, just poured the orangey powder over the cooked macaroni and stirred.  It was so baaaad--yet oddly comforting.  I ate it all up, too.  Sometimes, you just have to let food happen to you.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: S. Woody White on April 13, 2004, 08:00:35 PM
Uh, Dan, let me be the first to say.....







[size=20]LIKE, EWWWW!!!!![/size]
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jane on April 13, 2004, 08:05:56 PM
LOL ;D
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jane on April 13, 2004, 08:07:06 PM
Dan(the Man)  I think you did it-you killed my appetite.  Thanks
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Dan (the Man) on April 13, 2004, 08:11:39 PM
Dan(the Man)  I think you did it-you killed my appetite.  Thanks

LOL!  And now let me invite you and DR SWW over for dinner.  I'll be making my famous defrosted Ellio's pizza!
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Panni on April 13, 2004, 08:12:15 PM
Home-made mac and cheese is delish. Most kids for some reason prefer the stuff from the box. One of the mysteries of life.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Panni on April 13, 2004, 08:14:09 PM
Dan the Man - Let me second that EWWWWW! And may I add GROSSSSSSS!
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Joy on April 13, 2004, 08:15:35 PM
Mac n Cheez is a pretty easy and safe thing to improvise.  Sounds like you now know that firsthand!

I am SO PISSED at the "President" right now.  As if I didn't loathe him enough before; tonight, because of him, I now have to wait another FIVE DAYS (or more, since I'll be out of town) to see this week's episode of 24!!!  GRRRRRRRR!!!!  If anyone else is as addicted as DH Noel and I are, you understand the anguish involved with that kind of suspense.  

I need to go and take a hot bath now.  Not only am I all spazzed out about 24, but ballet class kicked my ass tonight and I must warm my muscles before bed or I will be so sorry tonight.

I want to sympathize with Jane's tight jeans problem.  I've been feeling flabby and raggedy lately due to my recent drop in committment to my dance classes, which, in turn, makes it much easier for me to eat crappy.  When I'm dancing regularly I concentrate much more on what I eat because I'm thinking carefully about what kind of fuel I need.  When I start to think about food as fuel and nutrients, rather than just the pure yumminess of it all, it's easier and more natural to eat healthily.  

Besides, I'm becoming a much better dancer, which gives me a much better chance at a callback!  Yay, callbacks!
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Matt H. on April 13, 2004, 08:21:54 PM
I have KISMET on laserdisc, but that should be a movie that would improve in looks considerably once it's mastered for DVD and enhanced for widescreen TVs.

I find the movie sluggish to watch, however, and I enjoyed it on stage immensely. According to Hugh Fordin's book, Minnelli lost almost complete interest in KISMET once he got the green light for LUST FOR LIFE.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jane on April 13, 2004, 08:24:26 PM
Dan (the Man) ;D

Panni, sadly kids prefer the box stuff because it’s what they are use to.  My babies wouldn’t eat jarred baby food twice in a row, not with Mom's homemade food to eat.

Joy-you understood.  :D BIG VIBES TO CALLBACKS!!
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jane on April 13, 2004, 08:24:45 PM
Goodnight.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Matt H. on April 13, 2004, 08:27:14 PM
The '24' situation is especially infuriating because moving it to Sunday this week will now make it come on opposite THE SOPRANOS, ALIAS, and LAW & ORDER: CRIMINAL INTENT. Just how many video recording devices does a person need to watch TV any more?
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Joy on April 13, 2004, 08:29:59 PM
Matt H:  Only one if you don't have HBO.  :(
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Joy on April 13, 2004, 08:31:02 PM
Any Mac users on this board?
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Joy on April 13, 2004, 08:36:03 PM
I had to share this current New Yorker cover that made me cackle like a chicken.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Matt H. on April 13, 2004, 08:43:11 PM
Well, I can do with one as well in this case. THE SOPRANOS repeats all during the week (and I can also record the West Coast feed at midnight, which I'll do). NBC's Sunday L&O:CI runs on USA at 11 p.m. on the following Saturday night. I'll watch or record then. So, I'll watch ALIAS live and record '24.'
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jrand73 on April 13, 2004, 08:49:55 PM
Graham Crackers.

Hi DRJOY!
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jrand73 on April 13, 2004, 08:53:43 PM
It happened one night.  It came from beneath the sea.  From hell it came. It conquered the world.  It! The terror from outer space.  It happened to Jane.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Joy on April 13, 2004, 08:59:03 PM
HI JRand!!!!

Are you smoking crack right now?
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Panni on April 13, 2004, 09:05:36 PM
Joy - I'm a Mac user. (Not Mac & Cheese)
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jrand73 on April 13, 2004, 09:10:01 PM
Uh...no not anymore.

But I did just remember, you can't run away from it.  ;D
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Panni on April 13, 2004, 09:13:13 PM

                   PAGE SIX DANCE!!!


        :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jrand73 on April 13, 2004, 09:32:27 PM
I just watched a disturbing show on Bravo called ShowBiz Moms & Dads.  Oh my.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: DearReaderLaura on April 13, 2004, 10:17:37 PM
I am always hopeful that DR Tomovoz will post a "bird out the window" picture.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Panni on April 13, 2004, 10:43:22 PM
Where has everybody gone?? (In HHW lingo -- Where in tarnation is everyone?)
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: TCB on April 13, 2004, 11:07:26 PM
Well, son, I dropped by to say hi to the gang, but you seem to be holding down the fort on your own.  When is the big move west?
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: TCB on April 13, 2004, 11:08:54 PM
Hey, Tomovoz!
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: bk on April 13, 2004, 11:09:38 PM
Back from My Dinner With Brent.  More later, but must write the notes now.
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: TCB on April 13, 2004, 11:12:25 PM
Damn, BK, I wish I had known that dinner with Brent was tonight.



Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jed on April 13, 2004, 11:14:27 PM
Shooting for the 1st of June to make my migration!!!
Title: Re:TUESDAY THE 13th
Post by: Jed on April 13, 2004, 11:24:51 PM
But for now I'm afraid I must be headed for my bed.  An early morning coming all too soon.  Goodnight, all!