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Title: KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 12:00:54 AM
Well, you've read the notes, you've seen the good, the bad and the ugly of the notes and now it is time to post until the cows come home, and I happen to know those cows ain't comin' back for a LONG time.  Let's not have a dreary Saturday - let's keep the home fries burning whilst I am away, and then I shall join in the merriment and mirth and laughter and legs upon my return and I promise to be my own frenzy.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Jed on April 17, 2004, 12:19:58 AM
Quote
Knock on wood. Or, if you’re outside and there is no wood, knock on weed.

I have some college friends who wouldn't have to go outside...  :-\
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 17, 2004, 12:22:12 AM
NOW WAIT A GOL-DURN SECOND HERE!!!!!

AN ENTIRE DAY WITH A TITLE THAT URGES PEOPLE TO PICK ON ME?

I'D LIKE TO KNOW JUST WHAT I'VE DONE TO DESERVE THIS ABUSE!!!!!


 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(









 ;)
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: S. Woody White on April 17, 2004, 12:25:57 AM
TOD:

I find Mike Oldfield's instrumental works quite relaxing.  This includes Amarok, which is quite bizarre, and which most people would find irritating as hell.  I've never even played it for der Brucer, because I don't think he'd be patient enough for the payoff at the end, or even the mini-payoffs along the way.

Oldfield as a songwriter, on the other hand, is a terrible mistake, IMO.  So it goes.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 17, 2004, 12:28:49 AM
And here's a challenge for everyone, in two parts.

Part one: Remember how the opening base-line to "Inna Godda da Vida" goes.

Got it?

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Part two: Now try to forget how the opening base-line to "Inna Godda da Vida" goes.

I thought you all would enjoy a challenge.

 ;D
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Jed on April 17, 2004, 12:39:07 AM
You are a cruel, cruel man, Woody!
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Post by: Ann on April 17, 2004, 12:43:27 AM
I couldn't get past step one...I suppose I should be grateful :)
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 12:47:35 AM
I'm glad to see that some people are not Wussburgers.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 12:55:52 AM
Back from seeing KILL BILL, vol 2. Enjoyed it. Speaking of Sergio Leone - as bk was - there is quite a bit of "borrowing" from him in this one. The Good, the Bad and the Tarantino. But, I liked the movie. Very different from vol. 1. There is one sequence in which my mind said, "Don't be stupid and get claustrophobic, it's only a movie..." But the rest of me wouldn't listen and i broke out in a sweat and had trouble breathing. But obviously I survived or I wouldn't be writing this.
I'm not at all sleepy. I guess part of the fun of being all grown up is that I could stay up all night if I wanted to.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Jed on April 17, 2004, 01:08:02 AM
Never a weekend Wussburger.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 01:12:19 AM
Calming music...
Glenn Gould playing the Goldberg Variations. There is something about this recording that puts me into a different space from the one I'm in. It's hypnotic - even his humming.

Jobim's music - Bossa nova - cool, calm, sexy. I have a Jazz Masters compilation album of his that I really like.

Various Anonymous 4 albums - 11th to 14th century chants.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 01:15:44 AM
...And bk introduced me to two wonderful Bill Evans albums - Bill Evans Trio with Symphony Orchestra and Conversations with Myself - which I've listened to a lot lately when I've been feeling stressed.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 01:17:42 AM
Wussburger or not, I should at least attempt to go to bed.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Tomovoz on April 17, 2004, 01:22:35 AM
Today's topic: I am quite likely to play any one of my Nigel Kennedy Cds - most often it has been The Doors Concerto "Riders on The Storm". If I really need calming music I would play Tony O'Connor's "Rainforest Magic" or one of my "Howling Wind" CDs. "Howling Wind" is Shane Howard. (There are same names for bored readers to research).
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Matt H. on April 17, 2004, 07:16:18 AM
Calming music for me is and always has been Claude Debussy. I absolutely adore "Claire de Lune" and "Reverie" and "Le Mer."

I also love Leroy Anderson's light symphonic pieces which vary from grand and sweeping ("Belle of the Ball") to soothing like "The Waltzing Cat" to something sweetly stirring like "Serebande."
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: MBarnum on April 17, 2004, 07:26:44 AM
For relaxation I will often pop in my CD of Paul Weston and his Orchestra MOOD MUSIC and DREAM TIME MUSIC. Very soothing.
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Post by: William E. Lurie on April 17, 2004, 08:11:39 AM
Barbara Cook is better than ever and since she was always wonderful that is saying a lot.  She may not have all the really high notes she had in her youth, but she looks and sings better than most people half her age.  Her program consists mostly of songs she has done and recorded over the years, but it is beautifully put together, and her between-song patter is so good that she could spend the whole ninety minutes doing a standup act and still be as wonderful.  From the fact that the Playbill® lists several more songs than she actually sings, I am assuming she changes her slightly program from night to night.  She'll be back in June and I'll be there again.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Jay on April 17, 2004, 08:11:54 AM
I make the distinction, as have several Dear Readers already, between music to which one might relax and music to which one might be calmed.  For calming music, none succeeds more than the slow movement from Brahms' Concerto for Violin and Cello (The "Double" Concerto.)
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Jay on April 17, 2004, 08:14:10 AM
Barbara Cook is better than ever and since she was always wonderful that is saying a lot.  She may not have all the really high notes she had in her youth, but she looks and sings better than most people half her age.  Her program consists mostly of songs she has done and recorded over the years, but it is beautifully put together, and her between-song patter is so good that she could spend the whole ninety minutes doing a standup act and still be as wonderful.  From the fact that the Playbill® lists several more songs than she actually sings, I am assuming she changes her slightly program from night to night.  She'll be back in June and I'll be there again.

IMHO, both Miss Cook and the late Miss Rosemary Clooney, as wonderful as they were in their younger years, improved with age, like very fine wines.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: William E. Lurie on April 17, 2004, 08:15:15 AM
This is my 500th post... since the changes made to the site.  I would imagine that since I have been here since Day 1, I've made at least 1000.

I've made friends through HHW, exchanged CDs through the site, and caused some controversy with some of my posts and opinions.  I hope the board is around long enough to make 5000 posts or more.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Jay on April 17, 2004, 08:20:20 AM
Congratulations, Dear Reader William E. Lurie!

With your next post you ascend to Valhalla and join the Gods of HHW.com!
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 08:36:22 AM
IMHO, both Miss Cook and the late Miss Rosemary Clooney, as wonderful as they were in their younger years, improved with age, like very fine wines.

I've never had the pleasure of seeing Miss Cook live. But some years ago, the first time I lived in LA, during MOL ("MY Other Life") my then mother-in-law was visiting from Canada and I got last minute tickets for the Hollywood Bowl - Rosemary Clooney and Michael Feinstein. For some totally bizarre reason our seats were right up front. I mean, practically on stage. What a pleasure it was to see Miss Clooney like that. She was superb! And I felt she was singing just for me - as I'm sure the people at the back of the Bowl also felt.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 08:39:54 AM
I, too, hope this board is around long enough, although I must say I've been pretty much deserted by the people who help keep it running, and that I don't know what to do about.  I've been told that getting entries up to Juliana's Journal is too time consuming now - even though those entries go up about once ever six weeks if we're lucky.  So, I have to figure out how to deal with that part of the site.  But as long as the board part is self-sufficient it will be up.  They can desert us but they can't kill us.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Kerry on April 17, 2004, 08:56:26 AM
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Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: JMK on April 17, 2004, 08:58:36 AM
I'm baaaaacccckkkkk.   :)

Betsy and I are now in our second decade of wedded bliss.  Or, as a married couple friend of ours joked a few years ago on their 5th anniversary, "Wow, it seems like a lot more wedded bliss than that!"

Gabe's cast is off, though his arm looks a little peculiar.  We think we will be getting a second opinion, since the osteopath who "casted" him is never available and we see the 20-something physician's assistant every time we go.

Re:  relaxing music--I'm with DR Panni--Brasilian music does it for me.  If you love Jobim, may I recommend some other great singer/songwriters from Brasil for your delectation:  Edu Lobo, Marcos Valle, Milton Nascimento, Ivan Lins, and, from the "new generation", Nando Lauria.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Jay on April 17, 2004, 09:05:31 AM
I fear I shall be largely errant and truant this weekend, Dear Readers, as I am leaving now for an overnight sojourn to San Diego, and I am unsure as to what the connectivity situation will be like there.

Keep the home fries burning; I shall miss all of you lovely people out there in the dark.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 09:12:49 AM
Holy moley on rye - I just read a thing in Backstage about making cast albums.  They talked to Tommy Krasker, Billy Rosenfield, Phil Ramone, Flaherty and Ahrens and Jay David Saks.  Fine.  But I had to laugh because at several points in the article people are saying almost exact quotes of things I've said in interviews over the years, things that have NEVER been said by anyone else who's done this but me.  I know when I say these things you all think, oh come on, but I kid you not.  One of them says, "Don't ever watch the singer, it will fool you every time."  I have never heard a Broadway record producer say this - I said it back in 1993 when I began and I've been saying it ever since and I've said it to some of these very people.  That, and quite a few other things, like separation between band and orchestra, and doing pickups because you have good separation - sorry boys, but no one was really doing that before Vinnie and I came along, which is why you get mistakes on older cast albums.  People were shocked when we'd put the leads in a booth or do enough separation that we could do a few fixes if we got a great take from the band and the singer missed a note or two.  It gave the singer comfort and because of that comfort we didn't really have to do it all that much.  They talk about (and almost quote verbatim lines I've said) about making the Broadway people comfortable in front of a microphone, how it's like a closeup in a movie (I mean, come ON, I've been saying this since the beginning).  Well, I'm glad I was there in spirit anyway.

It reminds me of the time I was in Joe Allen and Mike Berniker was sitting next to me.  He was about to produce the revival album of The Most Happy Fella.  We chatted and he told me he was petrified of the two-piano thing and that he was concerned about how to do the recording.  He asked if I had ideas.  I told him that I'd done one of those and been disappointed with the result, because to me the only way to make it work is to make the two pianos a character, as important as the actors (which I did when I did Ruthless and I Do! I Do!.  Apparently, the next day Mr. Berniker walked into the studio and said, "I want the two-pianos to be a character, as important as the actors."

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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 09:22:01 AM
LOL.....it's kind of like when the actors are interviewed for a show you direct - and they give quotes of things you told them....as if they thought of them!  LOL.....always kind of a shock to see someone else credited with your thoughts and phrases - eh?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY NICK REDMAN - thanks especially for the STATE FAIR soundtrack CD!  One of my very favorites of all!

Whenever I want to feel better, I listen to Guy Haines album OR the Doris Day-Andre Previn CD....  
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 09:25:20 AM
Holy moley on rye -

I think you're being very polite. IMHO the f--rs should've interviewed you and that's all there is to it.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 09:28:33 AM
I've corrected it, but I spelled "interviewed" with an "f" at the end. That old geezer Freud knew what he was talking about.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 09:30:54 AM
How impolite of me ::) ...  I forgot to say

         HAPPY BIRTHDAY, NICK REDMAN!

(And hi to Rebecca!)
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 09:32:31 AM
Speaking of Doris Day, she turned 80 earlier this month. Does that make me feel old or what?
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 09:40:30 AM
It's predictable.  They also go on and on about how the Equity and AFTRA cast album rates must change.  Again, they may have said this in private, but I'm the only one that I know of who was publicly vocal about this from the beginning.  I'm the only one who went in and tried to take them on - I even tried to enlist support from others - no dice.  It's just funny to see your own words and thoughts being spouted by others (again, some of whom I know and who I've said these very things to, and some who've been told exactly how I work with singers in the studio).  It's funny because before I began and before I said these things, none of these people knew much about recording or had these ideas (except Phil Ramone).  I am at least invoked by an album I produced, Lucky Stiff, although my name is not mentioned anywhere.  Considering that I don't think a certain label would even be in existence if it weren't for my being a role model, it's just downright, well... funny.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: DearReaderLaura on April 17, 2004, 09:50:08 AM
Happy Birthday to Nick Redman!

When I need to relax, I usually play Lee Lessack or MusicGuy.

Or I go for a walk.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 09:52:49 AM
Well, she of the Evil Eye is Evil Eyeing me but good, so keep the home fries burning - I must get going.
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 10:10:42 AM
Sad and shocking news in the NHL:

http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2326960 (http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2326960)

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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 10:11:57 AM
No it's not funny, MR BK, it's irritating!
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 10:12:42 AM
DRPANNI....Doris Day cannot be 80 years old, she can't....although I think she shares a birth DATE with Marlon Brando.

I just saw her last night in PILLOW TALK and she looks just the same!
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 10:16:53 AM
And she starred in one of DRMBARNUM's favorite movies April in Paris!   ;D

We love you, Doris....watch out for that Midnight Lace!

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Post by: PennyO on April 17, 2004, 10:21:20 AM
Relaxing music: Most JS Bach - especially, for some reason, the Brandenburg Concertos. And slow movements to other Baroque-era concertos: like Marcello Oboe Concerto. In fact, slow movements to most pre-Mendelssohn composed symphonic stuff.

Barber Adagio. Albinoni Adagio. The two Mozart flute concertos, flute/harp concerto, clarinet concertos. Gregorian chant is so relaxing. Fidelio quartet, Sous le dome epais from Lakme, Sull'aria from Figaro. Not much other vocal stuff - the words grab and engage the mind. What I love is to feel my frontal lobes evaporate.

DRs Charles Pogue and Panni, would you be willing to mentor a beginning screenwriter, in a small way?

BK - Damn them, damn them all to hell -- uncredited work, especially intellectual property, is so easy to steal. But "getting away with it" doesn't make it right. Let those of us who are blameless string 'em up. (PS - I'm not so blameless, unfortunately...)
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 10:31:48 AM
Going to see PRIVATE LIVES this afternoon....and getting a program to send to WEL.
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Post by: JMK on April 17, 2004, 10:40:09 AM
Happy Birthday, Nick.  Thanks for all your incredible releases.

Re:  Mike Danton--just read the article.  Is it just me, or is it implied he's a closeted gay who was trying to off his male lover?
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 17, 2004, 10:52:45 AM
Re:  Mike Danton--just read the article.  Is it just me, or is it implied he's a closeted gay who was trying to off his male lover?
Not just you.  Sounds like no more goals, no more points, and a whole lotta minutes in the penalty box coming up.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 17, 2004, 10:53:53 AM
[size=20]Happy Birthday, Nick Redman![/size]
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Post by: elmore3003 on April 17, 2004, 10:54:46 AM

Re:  Mike Danton--just read the article.  Is it just me, or is it implied he's a closeted gay who was trying to off his male lover?

I gather it was a screwed up gay relationship from reports on other sites.

Dear Friend BK,  I understand your feelings.   There are many of us in the business who can yell about lack of credit or the short memory of good friends.  Work and prosper.  There's much to be said for longevity.

To quote Sir William S. Gilbert, "The world is but a broken toy, its pleasures hollow, false its joy."  

I'm not sure I truly believe Sir William, but on the days I feel like Lear raging on the heath, I do believe him.
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 11:03:45 AM
Yes, I think Michael Danton aka Mike Jefferson was taking the really hard way out of a relationship.

And what made him think that 19-year-old girl would KNOW a hitman to begin with?
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Post by: MBarnum on April 17, 2004, 11:28:45 AM
First off good vibes to those that need them, and you know who you are!!

 [move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]  ;D   :D   ;)   :)   ;D   :o   8)   :-*   :D   ;D   ;)   :) [/move]

Happy Birthday DR Nick R wherever you are.

I am going to attempt to get many things done today...must read more KRITZER TIME...must work on some interviewes...must finish my Bollywood movie that is started last nigh...must watch some other DVD entertainment as well if I have time...must continue posts on what will soon be the most popular internet site of all...
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on April 17, 2004, 11:41:26 AM
Sir Edward Elgar's "Enigma Variations" conducted by Sir John Barbirolli is one of a few recordings that elevates me to near-out-of-body status and helps me to regroup.

Does anyone here have the new 2-CD special edition of "A Room With A View"????  It's maddening and infuriating, but I am unable to find any information on the audio offering.  On the single CD it's Dolby 5.1 mono and Dolby 2.0 mono (which is just fine, if one has no other choices), but since this special edition was remastered, I'm wondering about the sound.
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Post by: PennyO on April 17, 2004, 11:43:04 AM
WFO - re: your post yesterday asking about NY musical theatre fest - sort of a juried Fringe Fest for new musicals. They pick about 2 dozen shows, and mount them cheaply in and around NYC in a short time, with lots of publicity. There are also "Partner" productions - which are self-produced pieces, that have the advantage of piggy-backing the publicity and hype surrounding the rest of the fest. I'm submitting 2 shows. Deadline is early May, I think.
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 12:03:01 PM
DRMBARNUM what movies did you watch last night - that you didn't get to pick?
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Post by: Ann on April 17, 2004, 12:07:20 PM
Hello all
For relaxation, I have a CD of choral pieces by Morten Lauridsen.  Nothing relaxes me more than that.  If you like choral music, I'd highly reccomend checking out his work.
I'm off to a jazz choir rehearsal...I wish I wasn't, but I have to.    
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 12:44:21 PM
Off to Privates Lives....and NO it isn't the Mike Danton musical!
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 01:03:15 PM
DRs Charles Pogue and Panni, would you be willing to mentor a beginning screenwriter, in a small way?

It depends on many things...
One would be what exactly is neant by "mentor in a small way."
Two would be if the person has any talent. I hate to sound so black and white about this, but quite a few times (before I said I won't do this ever again) I found myself in a situation where it was obvious that no matter what I imparted to the would-be-writer, it didn't matter because they were never ever going to write a decent screenplay. That's no crime - not everybody is supposed to be able to do that. Just like not everybody can take apart an engine or design a building. But I hate to be cruel to people - although you're not doing anyone a favor by not telling them what they need to hear. So eventually I tell them and I feeel horrible and they feel horrible. Who the hell needs to volunteer to do that? ...So that long explanation is alll about why I think the person should have some talent
And lastly, it depends on how busy I am at the time I'm asked to do it.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 01:06:51 PM
Ann - Have you ever listened to the Ars Nova Singers? A wonderful choral group based in Boulder. They have qute a few albums
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Post by: Matt H. on April 17, 2004, 01:12:18 PM
I was lucky enough to see Barbara Cook in two of her glorious shows: SHE LOVES ME and the Lincoln Center revival of SHOW BOAT, and she was stupendous in both of them. How I wish I could have seen all of her shows.

Her MOSTLY SONDHEIM show is available on DVD for those who have never seen her before.
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Post by: Matt H. on April 17, 2004, 01:17:56 PM
After I finish with my afternoon surf, I'm going to brave that movie curiosity called THE LITTLE PRINCE.

A friend is coming over tonight and we're watching LOST IN TRANSLATION (which a friend loaned me weeks ago and I've never gotten around to looking at it.)

Will have full reports later tonight or tomorrow.
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 01:18:17 PM
I'm back from banishment, and am going to do some work.  Got Star and Sweeney Todd - full reports, of course.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 17, 2004, 01:27:02 PM
Music that soothes Pogue's savage breast...Rozsa...particularly PROVIDENCE soundtrack and a lot of his classical concert pieces.  Ravel. Debussy. Katchaturian.  Vaughn Williams' Sinfonia Anarctica.  Rimsky-Korsakov.  Symphonically, I prefer Russians, Hungarians, English, by and large.

Of course, the most soothing way for me to relax is with a bottle of good wine on the back balcony with a smooth singer.  Johnny Hartman and Vic Damone are favourites...but I've got a vast array who will fit the bill.

PennyO, it depends on what is meant by mentoring?  I've pretty much gotten out of the habit of reading other people's scripts...simply because it just got so overwhelming...friends of friends of friends and if you did it for one, suddenly you felt obligated to do it for others.  Secondly, in all my years of reading scripts, I only found one writer who I thought actually had a chance of making it as a screenwriter...he hasn't yet and might be getting discouraged about it, despite being a wonderful talent.

Thirdly, I find most people dont really want to hear  realistic feedback, they want compliments, pats on the back.  I'm not that kind of mentor.  I believe if you can be discouraged you should be discouraged.  If you can't be discouraged in the face of harsh realities, maybe you'll survive.

On rare occasions that I do agree to do this, I am blunt, brutal,  no-mincing-of-words. Some have suggested even cruel.  I don't care.  No matter how cruel I am, the realities of the business are crueller. I take a copy of the script and mark my comments in the margin.  They usually get more acerbic as I go along, since most scripts unravel before the end.  I judge by professional standards...one doesn't get graded on the curve because they're just starting out.  But if you've got the nerve, the advice is always sound and you'll get an excellent lesson in screenwriting, depsite any perceived harsness.

Now if it's just advice you want about the business that doesn't involve reading work, I'm pretty free with that...though I can't say it'll be anymore optimistic in tone.  I don't help people to get agents (I wouldn't know how) nor will I volunteer to show people's work to my agent or other people I know in the business, my credibility's on the line (again, the only time I have ever given a script to an agent was that one writer.  I don't think the agent ever read it).

I don't know who needs mentoring, but I suggest they visit my friends,Terry Rossio and Ted Elliott's screenwriting site which is the best site around for offering no-nonsense pragmatic advice on screenwriting and is visited by several professionals.   Yours truly included...where I am more or less regarded as the Simon Cowell of screenwriting advisors.  Terry and Ted wrote Pirates of the Caribbean, Shrek, and Mask of Zorro...so are at the top of their game.  The advice is geared to giving  wannabes and newbies, but those serious about pursuing a career in this precarious profession, a realistic viewpoint.  Their message boards are always engaging and full of lively, often brutal, debate (Their boards are always down on the weekends, however).  T & T's column are great tools...I recommend starting with column 34. THROWING IN THE TOWEL. It seperates the chaff from the wheat real fast. The site is called WORDPLAY at  www.wordplayer.com.  It is not for the meek, the squeamish, or dilletantes.  
Title: Re:KNOCK ON WOOD
Post by: Jane on April 17, 2004, 01:30:36 PM
Happy Birthday Nick Redman!

Bruce, why not simply post Juliana’s journal instead of doing a link?

JMK happy anniversary.  I hope Gabe’s arm just looks peculiar as it has been in a cast for so long and will improve now.  Will he need therapy for awhile to get the strength back?  Good luck with the second opinion.

Music that sooths me changes from day to day.  It really depends on my mood.
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Post by: Jane on April 17, 2004, 01:38:27 PM
Wow Charles Pogue.  I am now in awe of you.  If I had the ability to write a screenplay you would be just the person I would want to read it.  Then I would go to a very private corner, with a box of Kleenex, and read your notes. :D
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 01:59:15 PM
I'm saying hello so we can finally move on to page three...
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 02:01:31 PM



                    .....And we did.


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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 17, 2004, 02:13:58 PM
Take two boxes of kleenex.  But what people don't understand is that...to critique a screenplay in detail, takes a lot of work.  To give you an example, last fall I got coerced into doing for an undergraduate at my alma mater in the theatre department.  I sat down and talked to the kid before I promised to read anything just to make sure he was serious and then pretty much gave him the speech/warning I posted above.  I spent probably a day and half on it.  That's a lot of valuable time for me.  His script was a sea of black with my marginal notes scrawled everywhere...not one page was unblemished, I believe.   But they were very specific notes...not only about what was wrong, why it was wrong, with possible suggestions on how to fix it.  I started with his cover letter.  It took up a fifth of a page.  My notes on just it took up the remaining four/fifths.
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Post by: elmore3003 on April 17, 2004, 02:22:24 PM
It depends on many things...
One would be what exactly is neant by "mentor in a small way."
Two would be if the person has any talent. I hate to sound so black and white about this, but quite a few times (before I said I won't do this ever again) I found myself in a situation where it was obvious that no matter what I imparted to the would-be-writer, it didn't matter because they were never ever going to write a decent screenplay.

DR Panni, I once taught orchestration to a "composer" who's constant response to my questions was "that's how I want it."  I still don't know why he wanted my advice or expertise because I could tell him why you'll never hear a solo flute over 3 trumpets, 4 horns, 3 trombnes and a tuba and he didn't seem to care.  Once I realized nothing I said mattered, I decided to take as much money as I could and prayed he'd get bored with my advice.  I did and he did.  Thank God!
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Post by: MBarnum on April 17, 2004, 02:24:13 PM
DRMBARNUM what movies did you watch last night - that you didn't get to pick?

LOL! Actually I did end up picking the movie. We watched THE TRIP (2003). Ron really liked it and I thought it was sort of OK. Jill St. John was great in it and so were some of the other actors.

Enjoy the show JRand53! And of course we will want a report on it tomorrow!
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 17, 2004, 02:43:51 PM
elmore, I find most people seeking advice, just want validation...not any useful suggestion that might help their work.  One of my comments to people who always are asking, "who should I get feed back from to find out if my script is ready to send out?"  is that if you don't know whether it's ready or not, chances are it isn't.

My watch-cry has always been: "A professional knows when he's done good work."  That doesn't mean it can't be improved or someone might not contribute an idea or thought that one might want to enfold into the work, but one should know when the work has reached a professional standard of quality.

Jane, Janet Greek on my first script was very helpful.  I knew I had a good script.  She made a couple of suggestions that I agreed with, I executed them in a couple of days and she took that script to my first agent (She's more generous in this respect than I am...or maybe I was that "one writer" for her that she knew couldn't damage her credibility by submitting him).  But SHE asked to read the script; I didn't ask her...which to me is the point.  Anyone who wants to read my scripts can, but I am not soliciting opinions.  I don't release a piece of work to be read by anyone unless I am confident in the work.


Pogue's Four Rules of Screenwriting:

The first two are my scatological rules:

1) Life is too short to write shit.

2) Life is too short to work with assholes (which is where most of the shit comes from)

Now the first one I can always do something about.  The second one, sometimes you're just in too deep before you realize someone's an asshole.

3) Never write down to where you think the audience is, always write up to where you aspire them (and you) to be.  (I always try to write to the "highest" common denominator, not the lowest).

4) When you write for the stupidiest person in the room, crawl in your coffin; you're dead already.

I believe in an audience of one.  I write to please myself first.  Because if I can't please myself, who the Hell else is going to care?  I also dont believe you can anticipate an audience.  You don't know who the audience is for something until you present it to them.  Those that respond are its audience.
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 03:02:30 PM
I agree with it all.  Unfortunately, we are not living in a world where screenwriters care about such things.  They care only for the easiest route to a green light.

That was the thing with the Kritzer books - I wrote what I wanted to write in the way I wanted to write it and I didn't care if anyone liked it or not (if they did, that was a bonus, a treat, a wonderful addition) - my muse on them, Margaret, was my right arm, book-wise.  She simply encouraged, had a few comments on very occasional occasions (they were always right and easy to address) and would not let me change anything that hurt the voice of the books (when the people who were helping me proof would have suggestions that I wasn't sure about).
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 03:02:45 PM
Now, where in tarnation IS everyone?
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Post by: Jane on April 17, 2004, 03:09:13 PM
Charles Pogue, I guess the second box of kleenix would be for the cover letter. :D

The work and detail you put into the critiquing the student is admirable.  I do hope the student learned and appreciated what you did.  I have seen Keith spend hours doing research for people, never to be thanked for his efforts.

As for your Rules of Screenwriting-LOL.
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Post by: Jane on April 17, 2004, 03:17:31 PM
Echo is pouting as I walked without her this morning.  I walked with, the first, Ashland MS walk.  It was fun too since I went with my Wednesday hiking group.  My hairdresser and her sister (both have MS) organized the event.

It has been threatening rain all day but since the sun is still shining I shall take her out for a short one.  
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 03:29:30 PM
3) Never write down to where you think the audience is, always write up to where you aspire them (and you) to be.  (I always try to write to the "highest" common denominator, not the lowest). to them.  Those that respond are its audience.

Here's where we differ somewhat. I never think about writing to an audience - highest or lowest brow. Let me revise that -- I'm aware generally of the potential audience for a piece, but I still write - as you said earlier - to please myself. I try to honor the characters and give them the truest possible voices for who they are. I maintain that the audience will follow you anywhere if you're being honest (and interesting).
This has gotten me into trouble on occasion. Once (fairly recently) with a certain studio I shall not name (think rodents) where they called in a "tweener specialist" to revise my script so it would have more of a "tweener voice." The English translation of this is that the main character in my screenplay - who was described in every draft as a very mature kid - one whose "voice" was not that of the typical teen (think our Jenny, for example) sounded too intelligent. The fact that not every kid of a certain age sounds like every other kid of a certain age was pointed out - but this fell on deaf ears - pointy ones. So the script has been shot, tweened up (or down) and Life goes on.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 03:41:29 PM
I agree with it all.  Unfortunately, we are not living in a world where screenwriters care about such things.  They care only for the easiest route to a green light.

I don't think that's a totally fair statement, bk. FS Pogue has talked many times about movies he has written which had wonderful scripts and became less than stellar movies. And let me tell you, he's not alone in Hollywood with that story. (Read my previous post for example - which I wrote before seeing your statement.) I would say the majority of screenwriters care very much. It's the studio/network executives, however, the people with the ultimate power about what goes on screen, who care mainly about the easiest route to getting the most money from the public. So they make assumptions about the public's taste (sadly, they often can't sink low enough) and want movies to conform to that and that alone.
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 04:06:04 PM
I'm not talking about you and Pogue, Panni.  I think my statement is fairly obvious - general yes, but applicable to about ninety percent of the jokers writing scripts today.  I also disagree that if you're honest with your characters that an audience will follow you anywhere.  Audiences, by their nature, are fickle beasts - and something that they spurn today might be thought of (by those SAME people) as a classic ten years from now.  Conversely, something they thought was the ginchiest could be (to those SAME people) total crap ten years from now.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 04:22:56 PM
I'm not talking about you and Pogue, Panni.
I knew that and I wasn't suggesting for a moment that you were. Why in the world would I think that you'd say that about us? You know us - and our work - too well to say we don't care. I was  just using FS Pogue as an example, as we've all read what he's had to say about what happened to his work on several occasions. The point I was making is that he's not alone. I don't think that the majority of writers are just in it to make a buck. Very often the crap we see on the screen is not the writer's fault. That's not what s/he wrote!
As for the audience following you - if you write it well, they will come...  What you say is true - but I think that what I say is also true. Not in every case for either one. Yes, the audience is fickle and sometimes moronic. But you put something really truly good in front of them and - not always, but often - they will find it and appreciate it. ...At least I need to believe that or I'd become a plumber.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 04:24:28 PM
And may I ask... Where in TARNATION is everyone???
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Post by: Jane on April 17, 2004, 04:39:17 PM
the main character in my screenplay - who was described in every draft as a very mature kid - one whose "voice" was not that of the typical teen (think our Jenny, for example) sounded too intelligent. The fact that not every kid of a certain age sounds like every other kid of a certain age was pointed out - but this fell on deaf ears - pointy ones. So the script has been shot, tweened up (or down) and Life goes on.

What a shame.  So often it's that  "voice" which makes the charactor special and the story better for it.  In spite of the change I hope you are pleased with the end result.
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Post by: Jennifer on April 17, 2004, 04:45:32 PM
Good evening everyone!

Well I am here (I just wrote I was here).  Geez, well I was here briefly for a few minutes a couple of hours ago.  But my head was throbbing.  So I just caught up on the posts and went to lie down.

Luckily by the time I got to lying down, my head was much better.  It's amazing what two Motrin can do.
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Post by: Jane on April 17, 2004, 04:49:13 PM
Jennifer, sure glad the Motrin worked. :D
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 17, 2004, 04:53:27 PM
Der Brucer and I are back, fully noshed and resplendantly exhausted.

We started out fairly early, because der B. had read about a food tasting at a curio/gourmet shoppe called Indian Nickle.  The tasting was for a line of peanut butter products called Peanut Better, and for the most part they were exactly that.  Good peanut butter, not overly pasturized or processed, and loaded with other flavors.  We ended up purchasing three jars; Dark Chocolate (think Reese's with more savvy); Thai Ginger & Chilis; and Rosemary Garlic.

Yes, folks, this is peanut butter.

After, der Brucer wanted to head down to the Boardwalk, so I walked back to the car, deposited our purchases, and met him while he was perusing the menus of some of the eateries.  He was having to conceal his laughter over the menu at the Camel's Hump, a Middle-Eastern place that should have someone spell-checking their printed materials.  Along with the Baba Ganoush, Falafel, Shish Kebab, and the like was the following:

Homos: We are famous for this dip of hand-ground chick peas, tahina, fresh pounded garlic, roasted herbs and spices.

Further down on the Appetizer section was this:

Combination: A bed of homos with 4 falafel, artichoke heart, 2 dulma, feta cheese, and olives.

By this time we were both biting our tongues.  Onwards.
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Post by: Jennifer on April 17, 2004, 05:02:11 PM
Very busy day.  Went shopping at 9am.  Drove downtown and stood in line to get tix for the french mega musical Don Juan.  Went to another mall.  Ate.  Shopped.  Went to Club Price.  And came home exhausted at 5pm.

Interesting gathering for the Don Juan tix.  It's hard to predict how long the lines will be at the theatre when the tickets go on sale at noon.  This is only for the extension.  But I've been a couple of times for Notre Dame de Paris where the line-ups were around the block and hundreds long.

This time there were only 15 others there at 11:15am. By noon there were maybe 30 more.

It was actually very fun chatting with the other people in the line.  Reminds me a lot of waiting for rush tix in NYC.
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Post by: S. Woody White on April 17, 2004, 05:07:37 PM
We went on down to the Boardwalk, which was almost crowded.  Why not, it's a lovely Spring day, nice and warm, and places are opening up for business.  We went beyond where the buildings are lined up, trying to figure out exactly where Poodle Beach (the gay stretch) is located, but everyone was blending in with everyone else, very Rehoboth.

There were lots of dogs with their owners, or are they called the owned?  Two lovely brindle Great Danes named Duchess and Lacy greeted us, as did a long-haired Collie named Baxter, with one of the waggingest tails I've ever seen.  Der Brucer's face was well washed today.

Most of the restaurants in town are open now, at least for part of the week.  We found a Japanese restaurant that der Brucer thought he might be willing to try called the Cultured Pearl, and a place called the Ram's Head Tavern that had a sign in the window specifying that they do not have a children's menu (so take a hint, folks).  Eventually, we made it back to the car, with der B. admitting that he was in the mood to try the Mexican restaurant over on Highway One.

And that's why we're stuffed and sated.  Los Tolteca has good, authentic Mexican food...well, really TexMex, but much better flavored than the other joint we've tried in town.  The margaritas tasted of fresh lime juice, not Rose's.  The spices in the meats had been allowed to simmer and blend, not dumped in and given a quick stir.  Tortillas tasted of corn, salsas tasted of tomatoes, chilis and cilantro.  The rice was right! (and that means something, because der Brucer is picky about rice).

I'm in the mood to just lie down and take a siesta, even if the sun has already gone down.  What the heck, a siesta it is!
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Post by: Jennifer on April 17, 2004, 05:15:26 PM
Jennifer, sure glad the Motrin worked. :D

Actually, you have no idea.  I probably should have taken something stronger.  But the Motrin usually works for me.

I get very scared whenever I have a severe headache, because a few years ago I had one that turned to a migraine. And when I went to the clinic they wouldn't give me anything.

They sent me to the hospital across the street, and they rushed me by ambulance to a downtown hospital.

I have no idea what kind of meds they gave me.  But it was really scary.  They kept me in the hospital for days.  And I actually had a lot of trouble reading and writing.  I could not even remember how to say the name of my University.

About two days after the night I was brought in, they had a student doctor trying to test me on my reading. And I knew I couldn't read some of the bigger words.  But I didn't think that she was paying that much attention.  So I outsmarted her by just skipping the words I could not say.  Probably not that smart, but I wanted out of there.

It is actually quite scary to think about it now. I know my sister was freaking out when I couldn't read.

The absolute worst part though was the morning after I arrived. I still didn't have a room (I was stationed in the hallway on meds).  The doctor came by to test me and he brought a whole crew of students.  He basically humiliated me.

He was testing me with math problems.  And it was so frustrating because I could almost figure them out. But not quite. And I felt so stupid that I couldn't.

Although the questions were actually a little difficult.  I remember he asked me something like 28X6 (with a few others steps). And I can remember wanting to do 30X6 (and then take away 2x6). But my mind couldn't quite do it.

All I remember him saying was that someone of my intelligence should be able to do the problems.  But he never made me feel better or encouraged me.  And he never said that it was okay or that I would get better.  He just made me feel stupid in front of all of his students.

Anyhow it was quite weird, and they never found out what had happened (even though they gave me MRIs and the like).  My doc just figured it was a really bad migraine.

Now go figure, that was what I told the doc at the original clinic I went to. If he had given me the migraine meds right away that I had requested, probably none of the rest would have happened.



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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 05:16:57 PM
Watching Star.  A sharp but very brown transfer, very disappointing.  People don't seem to see these brown transfers but you must trust me - it's fading and all you need to do is look at the skin tones to know how off it is.  Easily fixable if anybody had a brain and/or cared.  Sound is good.  The movie, as always, is not very good but has some decent things in it.  It's a bargain-priced DVD but I'd rather it be ten bucks more and right, frankly.

Now, where in tarnation IS everyone.
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Post by: Jennifer on April 17, 2004, 05:18:28 PM
Okay we need to get page four.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on April 17, 2004, 05:22:39 PM
Just got back from the tour of "Hairspray." Very fun.

Scary about the migraine, Jennifer. I couldn't do a math problem in my head even without a headache.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 05:27:09 PM
A scary story, Jennifer. The only good part is that exactly the same thing would have happened in the U.S. - except you would have had a bill for $5000. (probably more) on top of the useless and humiliating experience.
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Post by: Jennifer on April 17, 2004, 05:30:35 PM
Just got back from the tour of "Hairspray." Very fun.

Scary about the migraine, Jennifer. I couldn't do a math problem in my head even without a headache.

And this doctor didn't even know me!  Why the heck was making the problem so hard?  There were like 3 parts to it!

He was almost taunting me.  That's what made me mad.

And he didn't even realize how close I was coming to solving it.  I mean I knew what I wanted to do.  But my mind couldn't do it.

It was much scarier though not being able to read or write.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 05:31:42 PM
Come to think of it - a lot more than $5000. An ambulance, tests, a couple of days in the hospital. Way over $5000!
Last year I fainted  (the first and only time in my life) - at the Humane Society of all places -  was taken by ambulance to the hospital, given a lot of tests and sent home within a few hours. I have insurance through the Writers Guild, luckily. But the bill came to over $2000. - so think of what your little experience would have cost.
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Post by: Jennifer on April 17, 2004, 05:32:42 PM
A scary story, Jennifer. The only good part is that exactly the same thing would have happened in the U.S. - except you would have had a bill for $5000. (probably more) on top of the useless and humiliating experience.

Yeah tell me about it.

It cost me nothing.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 05:36:27 PM
I think you had a sadistic doctor, Jennifer. Like the dentist in LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS. IMHO anyone who makes you do three-part math problems while you're lying in the hallway of a hospital is KRAZY.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 05:37:57 PM
This may get us to Page Four...  That's three plus one. Or two plus two. My head is still fine, doc.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 05:38:18 PM
..Or two times two...
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Post by: Jennifer on April 17, 2004, 05:38:47 PM
I wonder if the original doctor at the clinic would have been more likely to prescribe the migraine meds I was requesting.

I had had a migraine one time before, and I told him that.
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 05:39:24 PM
I'm getting a migraine reading about your migraine.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 05:40:01 PM
Oh - I thought 90 would get us to 4. Well, what do I know. Take me away, doc.
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Post by: Jennifer on April 17, 2004, 05:40:50 PM
Yeah for page four.

It's almost time for Trading Spaces.

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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 05:40:55 PM
Me, too. ....Getting a migraine reading about it, that is. :-\
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 05:42:23 PM
This is like Eugene Ionesco dialogue.
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 05:42:49 PM
It's very chilly here in Los Angeles, California.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 05:46:58 PM
I didn't even realize we were on four!
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Post by: Jennifer on April 17, 2004, 05:48:03 PM
I think you had a sadistic doctor, Jennifer. Like the dentist in LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS. IMHO anyone who makes you do three-part math problems while you're lying in the hallway of a hospital is KRAZY.

Well when you put it like that, it's pretty funny.

I still wonder how he knew that I would have been able to that problem period.

It's weird but I can still remember him taunting me.

The hallway wasn't so bad actually.  It wasn't like it was at emergency, or there were many other people.  It was right in front of one of the nursing stations. There were a few other patients, but they weren't distracting. And I just lay there for the night hooked up to an IV.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 05:49:12 PM
Ionesco or Pinter.
Migraines, math problems, mistaken pages... A touch of Gilbert and Sullivan, as well.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 05:51:16 PM
The hallway wasn't so bad actually.  It wasn't like it was at emergency, or there were many other people.  It was right in front of one of the nursing stations. There were a few other patients, but they weren't distracting. And I just lay there for the night hooked up to an IV.

If that's your idea of "not bad"... I'd hate to see what you'd consider hellish. :P
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Post by: Jennifer on April 17, 2004, 05:56:25 PM

Kristin Chenoweth:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04112004/style/22506.htm
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Post by: Jennifer on April 17, 2004, 05:58:25 PM

Melissa Errico is set to star opposite Tom Hewitt in the upcoming Broadway mounting of Frank Wildhorn's Dracula, The Musical.



http://www.broadway.com/template_1.asp?CI=36633&CT=38
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Post by: Jed on April 17, 2004, 06:04:36 PM
Just popping in to say hello... so... hello!  Will soon be off for an evening with friends, celebrating my good friend Briar's 30th birthday.  

Then the next couple days will be focused on my finding a fairly inexpensive used car.  My current car has been making some nasty noises while braking the past few days.  Took it in to the shop today, hoping it simply needed new brake pads... well, no such luck.  The minimum estimate to fix the mess is more than I want to spend on this car which I didn't plan on keeping all that much longer as it is.  Now for the fun of getting an auto loan and all... blech.
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Post by: Jane on April 17, 2004, 06:11:55 PM
Great, now I have to worry I might be asked math problems.  Is it the SNAKE PIT where she doesn’t remember her social security number?  I think that is why I don’t want to know mine.  I can’t feel stupid for not remembering. ;)  Those math questions really were bizarre.  
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Post by: JMK on April 17, 2004, 06:27:39 PM
Re:  medical bills.  When Gabe was hit by the car two years ago, we incurred well over $13K in bills within just the first five minutes of his treatment at the trauma unit.  Truly unbelievable.
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Post by: Panni on April 17, 2004, 06:37:21 PM
Re:  medical bills.  

Canada looks very good sometimes.
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Post by: Tomovoz on April 17, 2004, 06:42:24 PM
Is the word migraine used for severe headaches in France or is it just for any headache (mal de tete)? To me a migraine is nowhere near a headache and only a migraine sufferer can tell that. Strange that I rarely suffer now that I am no longer at work.
Different topic:  It has taken YEARS to get there but I watched "Death Of A Salesman" (Hoffman) last night.
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Post by: Tomovoz on April 17, 2004, 06:45:43 PM
We complain about our health service here (the hospital waiting lists) but private health insurance is quite affordable. I would not be without it. Public health benefits cover emergency sugery but "elective" surgery (eg Hip replacement) can be a long wait if you do not have private health cover.
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Post by: JMK on April 17, 2004, 06:59:35 PM
We're dealing with this whole insurance issue now as Betsy has, for the first time in her long and varied career, gotten laid off (her job always provided the benefits in our household as I am self-employed).  So now we are paying through the nose for COBRA since private insurers will not handle us until Gabe's arm is pronounced cured.  I got my new ASCAP member services booklet today and they offer health insurance, so we may go that route.  It's truly incredible how much COBRA is costing us--almost $1000 a month!
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 07:21:12 PM
Where in tarnation IS everyone?  This is so very unseemly.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on April 17, 2004, 07:28:32 PM
DR TomofOz:  A headache is an annoyance, an inconvenience and a bummer, but one can function if one must with a headache.

For me, migraine -- which I suffered one or two times a year when was very young, and which I've suffered maybe four times as an adult, thank goodness -- afflicts me with pain so severe I can barely lift my head, I can barely see so sensitive do I become to light, and makes me extremely nauseous.  The quicker I can be knocked out the better.  Mine have never lasted more than 18 hours, but recuperation can take several days getting back up to speed.
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 07:49:36 PM
I'm getting a headache from lack of posts.  
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 07:49:52 PM
Whatever will I do for my mental delectation?
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Post by: Emily on April 17, 2004, 07:52:21 PM
Good evening one and all!

Re: the Danton thing.  I just finished watching Montreal beat Boston (huzzah!) in Game Six of the first round of the playoffs on CBC's Hockey Night in Canada and they didn't mention Danton ONCE in their entire three hours of coverage.  Including the between period interviews and hockey news (!) sections.  Weird, eh?

The Habs have forced a Game Seven and I am beside myself in happiness.  I know what I'll be doing on Monday night :D

Pogue - I wish more screenwriters followed your rules.  
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Post by: Tomovoz on April 17, 2004, 07:53:18 PM
Have the "classic" migraines myself. Resulted in my being on limited superanuation  for a few years - side benefir was I didn't go to Vietnam! The only time I have been thankful for migraine. Now have medication that works but I still not worth being near for 24 hours or so. Can't stand light and noise at those times.
At least we have another topic!

Medical costs in the USA seem to be horrific - good case for travel insurance when I go there.
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 07:57:14 PM
Oh, it's much cheaper and simpler to DIE in the US than have to pay for medical treatment.  At some point something went horribly wrong in this country.
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Post by: Matt H. on April 17, 2004, 08:07:45 PM
I got through 50 minutes of LOST IN TRANSLATION and tired of it. I will finish it, but obviously not today.

Also finally saw THE LITTLE PRINCE in its entirety. Lovely score and the movie on DVD looks better than I've ever seen it look. A couple of sequences are heavy handed but much of it I find quite charming and most entertaining. The surround sound is most welcome, too.
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Post by: Jane on April 17, 2004, 08:23:40 PM
We're dealing with this whole insurance issue now as Betsy has, for the first time in her long and varied career, gotten laid off (her job always provided the benefits in our household as I am self-employed).  So now we are paying through the nose for COBRA since private insurers will not handle us until Gabe's arm is pronounced cured.  I got my new ASCAP member services booklet today and they offer health insurance, so we may go that route.  It's truly incredible how much COBRA is costing us--almost $1000 a month!

Have you checked this out?  They have Oregon portability insurance with Blue Shield/Blue Cross as a provider.

http://www.omip.state.or.us/
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Post by: Jane on April 17, 2004, 08:30:30 PM
I have had mild migraines, no way near the intensity of a severe one.  My younger son would throw up from them when he was little.  When he was ten he had this contraption put in his mouth to stretch it and make room for his adult teeth, and suddenly the migraines disappeared.

On that happy note-goodnight.
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 09:07:46 PM
DRMATTH I didn't make it through Lost In Translation at all....and didn't go back!

Migraines....ugh!

Such sad news about STAR! Mr BK - I had high hopes for that because of Daniel Massey's performance and some of the staging of the musical numbers.....as Julie would say:  "Cripes!"
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 09:08:15 PM
Private Lives....hmmmmmmmmm.....  Well I will tell all tomorrow.  
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 09:12:33 PM
Oh, people on the Internet are already saying it's a great transfer - it's sharp, mostly, but I'm sorry, the color is OFF and that's all there is to it.  The film is a big fat bore, and it baffles me why people love it.  I think they just love these big elephantine musical extravaganzas.  But Star has a terrible script, you just don't ever care about Gertie, and the production numbers, one after another, become ludicrous.  Massey is very good, though.
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Post by: Noel on April 17, 2004, 09:15:16 PM
I find most people dont really want to hear  realistic feedback, they want compliments, pats on the back.  I'm not that kind of mentor.  I believe if you can be discouraged you should be discouraged.  If you can't be discouraged in the face of harsh realities, maybe you'll survive.

On rare occasions that I do agree to do this, I am blunt, brutal,  no-mincing-of-words. Some have suggested even cruel.  I don't care.  No matter how cruel I am, the realities of the business are crueller.

That last statement has always been my philosophy.  I certainly want to subject my work to the most honest and no-holds-barred critics I know, so I can fix things before sending it out to the real world.  Nothing, to me, is more disappointing than a compliment.  I'm thinking "Yeah, yeah; glad you enjoyed.  Now tell me something I can use."

Some weeks ago, a new musical asked me and a large bunch of other writers to come in and critique their run-through.  Tonight, I saw the finished show, and it was very gratifying to see that they'd taken a great deal of our advice.  We pointed the way to some fixes, and they really ran with it.  And that can be extremely satisfying.

The funny thing about Mr. Pogue saying he's "blunt, brutal,  no-mincing-of-words" is that it increases my desire to have him look at my work.  But I know how you feel: there's a pile of friends' scripts I haven't got to, too.
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 09:17:41 PM
I'm going to grab a bite to eat and I'll be back in about an hour.  Keep the home fries burning, won't you?  I'd like some posts to read for my mental delectation, that's what I'd like.
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Post by: Emily on April 17, 2004, 09:29:17 PM
I have a horrible craving for cheese-flavoured popcorn right now.

Just thought I'd share. :)
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on April 17, 2004, 10:08:31 PM
I'm afraid I don't have anything for your mental delectation.

Oh, and the reason the subcontractor hasn't finished the job is that he has no place to haul the mountain of excavated dirt that the men with large equipment dug up. Meanwhile, the City has received complaints about it.
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 10:42:30 PM
Well....yes, STAR does have a terrible script.  I remember when it came out that I didn't want to see it because at the same time there was a lot of fuss over FUNNY GIRL....and well Fanny Brice....Gertrude Lawrence.....why mess with both movies?  And Julie Andrews really became OLD HAT very quickly - through no fault of her own.

It was really only after her one season television series that I really started to like her a lot.

I like STAR! because of the songs.  All those old songs with lively arrangements and costumed so beautifully.  Actually I bought the soundtrack LP for fifty cents several years before I ever saw the movie, and fell in love with it from the first few measures of the Main Title or Overture.....  I just loved those songs.  My disappointment in the movie itself when I saw it chopped up on television was palpable.

But the Pierrot number, Burlington Bertie from Bow, Jenny, and My Ship were lovely to see.  They are even better to hear.

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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 10:53:55 PM
Oh, I just realized I saw Private Lives by Mr Noel Coward portrayed as has been written by Mr Daniel Massey in STAR!

The director really fell down on this one.  There was lots of "old style" posturing and posing which might have worked...it certainly works in The Importance of Being Earnest - but everything was a bit off.  The time was declared to be Summer 1930 - but the clothes of the first two people (Elyot and his new wife Sybil) onstage were completely out of the period.  The second couple (Amanda and her new husband Victor)  were at least accurate in dress and hair!

The set was lovely, but the director tried to be arch....but didn't make it.  The physical movements were clumsily blocked and executed.   The fights between Amanda and Elyot never reached a fury that would cause him to strike her....everything was played on two notes....calm or frenzy...nothing in between.

The maid had seamed stockings - none of the other two women did - and what they called a brioche, was actually a dinner roll from the Kroger Store.  

The writing of course was great - not my favorite Coward - but the execution, and even the final moments were lost because of BAD or NO direction.  

My favorite Noel Coward play is of course BLITHE SPIRIT, with HAY FEVER and DESIGN FOR LIVING following very closely behind!

This particular production is headed for Syracuse New York, so any DR's in that area might look for it.  Jay Stratton as Victor and Lise Bruneau as Amanda were best....but nobody was awful!  The "dancing" was also completely out of character and ungraceful.

I know, I know, I am being very critical - but THIS IS THE THEATRE that puts itself at the TOP of the heap in Indianapolis and prides itself on its culture.  It just ain't so.  But then DR JANE & KEITH now have Libby Appel to deal with and at least THAT horror has passed!
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Post by: TCB on April 17, 2004, 10:54:10 PM
Sad and shocking news in the NHL:

http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2326960 (http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=2326960)



That is shocking!  I had no idea that Mike Danton was formerly known as Mike Jefferson.
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 10:57:39 PM
What else can I write about for MR BK to read?

Oh Happy Anniversary MR AND MRS JMK!

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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 10:59:52 PM
http://www.horror-wood.com/allison.htm (http://www.horror-wood.com/allison.htm)

Oh....here is a link to my internet biography of Miss Allison Hayes, if you haven't read it MR BK.  This is part two but there is a link to part one in the introduction.   8)

That should take you a few minutes.
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 11:00:25 PM
Where else but here is such information given Mr TCB?
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Post by: Charles Pogue on April 17, 2004, 11:01:13 PM
BK, what went terribly wrong with this country was George Bush.  That we have no national health care system is absurd and that we who have health coverage through our work and employment have to pay ever-increasing  fees for diminishing benefits is a crime.  
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 11:01:46 PM
Hmmmmmmmm whenever I try to save a photo, my system saves it as a BITMAP even if it is a jpeg....this is most disconcerting.

Does any DR have a remedy for this problem?
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Post by: TCB on April 17, 2004, 11:10:30 PM

Relaxing music???  The 1812 Overture.







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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 11:11:41 PM
Pogue: I agree, but feel that while Bush is no help about anything, it happened before him.

Jrand: I, too, like the songs and orchestrations of Star!  I just don't like the bloated film.

I saw a pretty divoon production of Blithe Spirit in 1969 at the Billy Rose, with Tammy Grimes and Brian Bedford.
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Post by: Jrand73 on April 17, 2004, 11:23:17 PM
I just love Blithe Spirit....  I bet Tammy  and Brian were terrific!  What a great combination.  Brian has that wonderful British sense without the distracting snobbishness (Rex Harrison) or silly ass expressions (David Niven) - who was The Medium?

If you tell me Hermione Gingold - what I wouldn't give for a time machine.
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Post by: Tomovoz on April 17, 2004, 11:27:51 PM
Thanks for the review JRand. IMHO there is no  humour in Coward unless the lines are delivered really well. Maggie Smith was my favourite Amanda.
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Post by: bk on April 17, 2004, 11:31:33 PM
Jeez, did I say Blithe Spirit???  I meant Private Lives.  
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Post by: TCB on April 17, 2004, 11:44:27 PM

Present Laughter is still my favorite Coward, with Blithe Spirit second.