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Title: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 12:23:25 AM
Well, you've read the notes, the notes were, and now it is time for you to post until the nostalgic cows come home.
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Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 12:24:04 AM
And the word of the day is: AEROMANCY!
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Post by: Laura on July 12, 2010, 03:30:11 AM
Happy Birthday, Cillaliz!
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Post by: vixmom on July 12, 2010, 03:43:27 AM
the Island of Long used to be covered with duck farms, stables, nurseries and farms - now the riding stables where I took lessons , riding through the woods is a mega church and the woods are a vasr parking lot , the duck farm which was  right down the block from where I now live is a mcmansion development, there was another horse ranch, bordered by a nursery and across the street wasa potato farm  all gone and in their  places are more mcmansions

the little local airport is now a condominium complex and the aerospace facility where my dad  and later I,  worked, where we built radar systems for the first space shuttle,  is now a Tanger outlet mall

the Grumman facility where they built the first lunar module - now a shopping mall

the airfield from which Charles Lindbergh left on his historic flight to Paris - now a shopping mall

they took Paradise and put up a parking lot.......



oh and all the wonderful drive in movies are gone -  shopping  malls & home depots everyone......
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Post by: vixmom on July 12, 2010, 03:43:59 AM
Happy Birthday, Cillaliz!

SOMEONE is up early!!!!
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Post by: vixmom on July 12, 2010, 03:44:58 AM
Laura I love your new quote!
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Post by: vixmom on July 12, 2010, 03:46:06 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO CILLALIZ!!!!!!
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Post by: Laura on July 12, 2010, 03:47:34 AM
I did not plan on waking up so early.
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Post by: vixmom on July 12, 2010, 03:48:31 AM
I did not plan on waking up so early.

did the gnats wake you up?
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Post by: Laura on July 12, 2010, 03:48:42 AM
Legend City (our amusement park) and the Japanese Flower Gardens. There is an article in the paper today about renovating Papago Park (which means ruining it).
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Post by: Laura on July 12, 2010, 03:49:48 AM
No. And I can't blame five kittens, either. I just woke up early.
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Post by: vixmom on July 12, 2010, 03:56:06 AM
I wsih I could stay and chat but I know today is agoing to be a another crazy one so I had better hie me tot eoffice totry and get a head start onteh madness
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Post by: vixmom on July 12, 2010, 03:58:06 AM
Happy CillaDay everyone - especially  TCB - I hope you enjoy the festivites!!  I look forwrd to pictures of the melon earing contests









 :) :-*
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Post by: Laura on July 12, 2010, 04:06:34 AM
Have a tolerable day, Vixmom.
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Post by: Ben on July 12, 2010, 04:23:21 AM
Happy Cilla Day!
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Post by: Ben on July 12, 2010, 04:23:46 AM
I grew up in Coon Rapids, Minnesota. Do you really think I miss anything about it???
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Post by: Michael on July 12, 2010, 04:25:05 AM
TOD

None of the movie theaters I would go to as a child to my thirties are all gone. These include the movie palaces downtown, the infamous grind house on St. Lawrence street, and the neighborhood theaters. All gone. Replaced by retail stores. Now there are only three cinemas in my area two multiplexes. 20+ theaters & 1 art house which has three screens.

Also I remember Belmont Park an amusement park that had a midway. The kind one would see i the movies. It eventually closed because the other park La Ronde more modern and better situated for people to get to
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Post by: Michael on July 12, 2010, 04:32:56 AM
Cilla! Have the best of birthdays!
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Post by: Kerry on July 12, 2010, 05:29:05 AM
 A Most Happy Cilla Day!
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Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 05:35:57 AM
Happy Cilla Day!

To celebrate I shall go to the Goodwill and look for Goodies!
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Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 05:37:31 AM
DR GINNY I loved all of the photos from yesterday.......and I especially enjoyed the photos of DR ELMORE and his admirers.....and DR ELMORE the curtain call photo was most interesting....I LOVED THE COSTUMES for the production.

Of course the McKinley photos were most interesting.  We have the [haunted] Benjamin Harrison home in Indy that  is fun to visit.
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Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 05:38:28 AM
The small town I grew up in - and still live in is mostly the same - although the occupants of most of the buildings downtown have changed.....the buildings are still there.....we have just sprawled out in many directions.

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Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 05:39:40 AM
And of course the lighted cross at the corner of Indiana & Main Streets that stood there in the 1920's when Morgan Co was the home of the Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan was removed quite sometime ago......although the hole in the sidewalk was not filled in until the 1980's.
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Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 05:41:04 AM
RE: Perky breasts.

There is the story of the old woman who called the police to complain about the neighbors nude sunbathing......the police arrived and the woman took them upstairs to show them.  The policeman looked out the window and couldn't see the neighbors, and the old lady said:  "Well, climb up on the bureau, lean way out to the right, and use these binoculars!"
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Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 05:41:20 AM
I love Vince Edwards.  With a low budget or a Lush Budget.  ;D
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Post by: ArnoldMBrockman on July 12, 2010, 05:43:29 AM
And the word of the day is: AEROMANCY!

And The Song Of The Day Is: THE RAIN SONG
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Post by: Thom on July 12, 2010, 05:51:29 AM
I was raised in Detroit and have very good memories of my childhood.  What do I miss about Detroit? 1) The Pontchartrain Wine Cellars, 2) Little Harry's Restaurant, 3) Street cars, 4) The Ford Rotunda, 5) Downtown Hudson's at Christmas time, 6) Vernor's Ginger Ale, 7) Sanders hot fudge sundaes, 8) Soupy Sales (originally from Detroit), 9) the Van Dyke Place restaurant, and too many other things to mention. I hope that some of you have heard of a few of these places and things.
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Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 05:53:26 AM
Happy Birthday, Cilla!
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Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 05:55:11 AM
BK,

I watched MURDER BY CONTRACT about a month or so ago and also recognized the old sets from THE GREAT DICTATOR.

I had the same "Wow!" reaction as you did.
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Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 05:55:49 AM
I am off to do Monday things.....since it's a holiday, I hope the bank is open.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on July 12, 2010, 06:04:54 AM
! ! ! ! !  HAPPY BIRTHDAY DR CILLALIZ  ! ! ! ! !
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on July 12, 2010, 06:08:49 AM
Page Two Iowa State Tap Dance:

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Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 06:09:42 AM
TOD:

Unfortunately, the Seattle of my youth no longer exists, which is probably why I don't have a strong desire to return there.

All my favorite movie theaters (i.e. the Roycroft, Orpheum, Liberty, Coliseum, Blue Mouse) are gone, as is my favorite restaurant (Pancho's).


 :'(

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Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 06:11:36 AM
I received the corrected galley proofs for my book this morning, so once I check to see that all my corrections were made properly, I guess it will be on the way to the printers.
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Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 06:11:53 AM
Good morning, all! I went to bed at 9:30, read the new book on WEST SIDE STORY for abuot an hour and turned off the lights, so I got about 10 hours' worth of sleep last night, and I'm feeling pretty good. This afternoon at 3, I'm getting together with Andy Buck, a friend from my Drama Book Shop days whom I've not seen in around 15 years. That will be a lot of fun, I think.

I had to call the post office this morning and complain; on July 3, I put in a request to have my mail held from July 9-12, and when I got home yesterday, I found two letters and a brochure in my post box and two packages left under my door mat. I needed to complain to the ass in charge that they had screwed up - this is the second time in a year this has happened! - and to determine if there were more mail I should come to pick up. No wonder the damned morons running the US Postal System claim they're in trouble. Onceis an accident, twice is incompetence.

I have to do some laundry this morning. I guess I should get started.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Birthday to DR Cillaliz !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 06:12:41 AM
Nope!

Not quite yet.

We still haven't finalized the back cover.

 :)
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Post by: Ginny on July 12, 2010, 06:27:58 AM
Monday morning greetings!  It's a lazy morning here in Canton, OH, as Richard and I prepare to move on to Ashland (OH, DR Jane, not OR  :'() for the Ohio Chautauqua (http://www.ohiohumanities.org/?page_id=9).
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Post by: Ginny on July 12, 2010, 06:28:21 AM
Happiest of birthdays to DR Cillaliz!
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Post by: Ben on July 12, 2010, 06:35:43 AM
Hey, Thom, although I grew up in Minnesota, I was born in Detroit (along with my 4 sisters and one of my two brothers) and my parents grew up in Ecorse and River Rouge. Many of our relatives are still in various Detroit suburbs and we would make trips back to see them over the years. I remember Vernor's Ginger Ale and Faygo soda and Bob-Lo Amusement Park. My mother worked for Hudson's as a teenager and never got over the fact that Dayton's Department Store bought Hudson's and now neither of those stores exist.
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Post by: Ginny on July 12, 2010, 06:43:03 AM
I was raised in Detroit and have very good memories of my childhood.  What do I miss about Detroit? 1) The Pontchartrain Wine Cellars, 2) Little Harry's Restaurant, 3) Street cars, 4) The Ford Rotunda, 5) Downtown Hudson's at Christmas time, 6) Vernor's Ginger Ale, 7) Sanders hot fudge sundaes, 8) Soupy Sales (originally from Detroit), 9) the Van Dyke Place restaurant, and too many other things to mention. I hope that some of you have heard of a few of these places and things.

Oh, my, DR Thom, I grew up in Detroit, too, and your post could almost be MY post!  I miss the downtown Hudson's at ANY time of year, WJR (from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building), the Detroit Institute of Arts and the Main Library, Hilberry Classic Theatre at Wayne State University, and the arches of elm trees that lined the residential streets.  The restaurant I miss is Snow White on Grand River.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on July 12, 2010, 06:59:13 AM
TOD:

Sadly, the majority of locations I grew up with in East Camden, NJ, no longer exist or are barely recognizable.  The businesses are all gone:  Banasz's 5 & 10 (with it's terrific toy department), Stem's Pharmacy (comics, magazines, candy, soda and ice cream--and those "girl things" for my sisters that I was sometimes bribed to run up to buy), Zibby's Tavern and Pool Hall (my Dad's hangout and fishing club headquarters), the Crescent Theater (my first movie theatre), Mack's Hobbies (the latest Matchbox Cars and Aurora plastic models were available there), Morton Bakery (my Mom like their baked goods but she thought they were expensive--they always had the best holiday window displays on Mt. Ephraim Avenue, though.)

Some places still remain:  Bonsall Elementary School (its schoolyard was right across the street from our house but we more often played on the building and grounds) is still up and running.  Likewise, West Jersey Hospital (we were forever being chased from our explorations on the surrounding grounds), Whitman Park (its huge green stovepipe was the largest structure for miles around), and my own grammar school, St Joseph's Elementary (no longer functioning--the two school buildings, the nuns' convent and the rectory are all closed, only the cathedral is still open.)
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Post by: Charles Pogue on July 12, 2010, 07:04:58 AM
BK, Nostalgic says thanks for the waxing.  She now looks very good in her bikini.
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Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 07:19:43 AM
I forgot to mention the TOD! There's really very little beyond freinds and family that I miss about Middletown, Ohio, except the entire missing downtown area of stores and restaurants that are now gone: Murphy's Five and Dime candy counter and soda fountain Coca Cola, Gallagher Drugs and its lunch counter, which always smelled of perfect grilled cheese sandwiches, the Liberty Restaurant and its fantastic hot dogs, Elite's Ice Crream Parlor, the old Ortman Stewart bus terminal and its great magazine selection, Kresge's pet department, the wonderful Paramount movie theatre, all gone.  At least we still have Central Pastry and Milton's Donuts!

When I was a kid, going downtown after a trip to the pblic library was always an adventure. Very sad now to go back to visit and pass all those empty shops. It's like Salem's Lot during the day before the vampires come out to play.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on July 12, 2010, 07:22:42 AM
I grew up in Greater Cincinnati and it was a great downtown.  All the major movie palaces were centered around fountain square...and they were palaces.  It's where you went to see a movie, there were no multiplexes.  Lots of bookstores...three on main street, now only one is left.  BK, you may remember Bertrand Smith's Long Beach (is it still there?).  Well, Betrand Smith started in Cincy and had a store of five floors of used books.  We had the Schubert Theatre through which came all the major Broadway Road shows...not just the musicals...I remember saving to see HOSTILE WITNESS with Ray Milland, I think two front row balcony seats came to about 12 bucks.

I remember the WHEEL, a great cafeteria; the Luau...all you can eat joint; Ted Klusewski's Steak House (Big Klu played first base for the Cincy Reds and was known for cutting off the sleeves of his shirt, so his big biceps always showed); The Cricket...a coffee shop 

Every Christmas, GE would put up a great electric train display.   There were four major department stores (one named Pogue's...not that I was an inheriting relative).  Bell Block News was where I often purchased comics and Edgar Rice Burroughs paperbacks.  Wurlizter where I took guitar lessons.  A great public library(...still a great library). It was a bustiling downtown and only a short bus ride over the river from where I lived in Northern Kentucky.
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Post by: Matthew on July 12, 2010, 07:38:44 AM
TOD - While I didn't really "grow up" in San Mateo, I lived there until I was 9 and moved back when I was 18, but it's San Mateo that has always been my home.  One of the things I like to do is go for a bike ride as my daily exercise and go up and down the streets I remember as  kid and see what's changed.  Needless to say, it wasn't the same place 30 years ago and that's kinda sad. 
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Post by: Matthew on July 12, 2010, 07:39:46 AM
Happy Birthday Cillaliz!!
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:39:47 AM
Just so there's a good post count on Cilla Day, I'll do this one by one
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:39:59 AM
Thanks DR Laura
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:40:07 AM
Thanks Vixmom
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:40:23 AM
Thanks DR Ben for the Cilla Day Wishes to all
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:40:34 AM
Thanks DR Michael S
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:40:40 AM
Thanks DR Kerry
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:41:02 AM
Thanks DR JRand, hope you find lots of goodies at Good Will on Cilla Day
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:41:27 AM
Thanks DR Druxy
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:41:47 AM
Thanks DR Dan the Man
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:42:03 AM
Thanks DR Elmore
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:42:13 AM
Thanks DR Ginny
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:44:22 AM
It's so lovely to wake up to the greetings here and on FB.  I also woke up to rain, so I called  to see if the painters are coming and the answer was no, they are going to wait untill Wednesday.  I'm at the office and will get some work done, but my only appointment cancelled, so I think I'll spend the afternoon using a couple gift cards I've had for awhile as well as the birthday money mom sent.  My favorite store sent me a $25 off card so I think I'll go and buy something to wear to PEO tonight.
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:49:42 AM
As to the TOD - there isn't much I miss in my home town. Partly because my parents still live in the house they built 2 years before I was born.  So, everything that meant the most to me is still gone.   I guess if there is anything I miss it is the people who have moved away or passed away.  There have been a lot of  changes, but nothing that bothers me
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:50:11 AM
and since we're so close.....
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 07:50:26 AM
HAPPY CILLA DAY TO DR TCB!!!!!
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Post by: ArnoldMBrockman on July 12, 2010, 08:17:56 AM
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY DR CILLALIZ
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 08:18:56 AM
Thanks DR ArnoldMBrockman!
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Post by: ArnoldMBrockman on July 12, 2010, 08:22:48 AM
TOD

BROOKLYN NEW YORK

284 EASTERN PARKWAY

3 Blocks from THE BROOKLYN MUSEUM

5 Blocks From EBBETS FIELD

Main Branch BROOKLYN LIBRARY

PROSPECT PARK

BROOKLYN BOTANICAL GARDENS

Four Movie Theatres- LOEW'S KAMEO,SAVOY,BELL,LINCOLN

BEN and SOLS DELI

PS 241

ALL WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE

Those Were The Days,My Friend
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Post by: Jennifer on July 12, 2010, 08:46:05 AM
DR Jane re: Lisa Gardner.

I'm not even sure how many books there are in the series (i only saw 3 on amazon.com). i'm not sure if it is a series where they follow closely. I don't think so. I really wanted to read the book (the neighbor). I am going to the library again today. So i will see if her books are there so i can take a look.

My mom is usually the one who reads mysteries and she loves janet evanovich/stephanie plum.

It is funny that you say that your brother reads almost exclusively male authors. I am the opposite. I read mostly female authors although not really intentionally. I read a lot of young adult books and most of them are written by women.
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Post by: Jennifer on July 12, 2010, 08:48:07 AM
Happy Birthday to DR Cillaliz.  Hope you have a great day with lots of cake!
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Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 09:03:34 AM
Cilla,
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Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 09:05:29 AM
DR Jane re: Lisa Gardner.

I'm not even sure how many books there are in the series (i only saw 3 on amazon.com). i'm not sure if it is a series where they follow closely. I don't think so. I really wanted to read the book (the neighbor). I am going to the library again today. So i will see if her books are there so i can take a look.

My mom is usually the one who reads mysteries and she loves janet evanovich/stephanie plum.

It is funny that you say that your brother reads almost exclusively male authors. I am the opposite. I read mostly female authors although not really intentionally. I read a lot of young adult books and most of them are written by women.

My brother's picks are intentional ;D  Knowing his tastes there really are very few women author's I would suggest to him.  Personally I think he is missing out on a lot of good books :)
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:09:29 AM
Thanks DR Jennifer, I've already had a slice of Italian Cream from my favorite coffee shop...I'm sure there will be more to come
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:09:38 AM
Thanks DR Jane!
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Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 09:17:54 AM
I grew up in Coon Rapids, Minnesota. Do you really think I miss anything about it???


Yes.
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Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 09:23:02 AM
HAPPY CILLA DAY!

And special birthday wishes for our own DR Cillaliz.
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Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 09:39:55 AM
The laundry is finished and I am about to step out for some erraands. I'll end up at Toyland before I head down to meet my friend Andy at 3:00.
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Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 09:47:35 AM
Wonderful waxing posts today.
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Post by: Thom on July 12, 2010, 09:47:46 AM
Oh, my, DR Thom, I grew up in Detroit, too, and your post could almost be MY post!  I miss the downtown Hudson's at ANY time of year, WJR (from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building), the Detroit Institute of Arts and the Main Library, Hilberry Classic Theatre at Wayne State University, and the arches of elm trees that lined the residential streets.  The restaurant I miss is Snow White on Grand River.

DR Ginny - I am happy to report that the Detroit Institute of Arts went through a major renovation and is now better than ever. I am a graduate of Wayne State University and I am a contributor to the Hilberry Theatre, which is still very active and important to the community.
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Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 09:48:03 AM
Vernor's Ginger Ale is still alive and well - I but it quite often in Los Angeles, California and love it.
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Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 09:51:56 AM
I suppose I mourn most the loss of all the single screen theaters in LA, especially the nabes and especially the ones I went to.  Thankfully, unlike most places, we still have a handful - the Village and the Bruin (always in danger of closing and both have had their leases taken over recently), the Chinese, the Dome, the El Capitan.  But the glorious Egyptian (and not the American Cinematheque whose interior is not to my liking and nothing like it used to be, although it is a single screen), the Warner Cinerama, the Vogue, the Hollywood, the Fox, all of the smaller Westwood houses, the two Plitt theaters in Century City (not to mention the Shubert), the Loyola, all of the Valley theaters - all gone or all something else.
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Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 09:52:19 AM
Oh, and I'm up and it's very pretty outside and I must go do my morning errand.
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on July 12, 2010, 10:00:35 AM
I wax nostalgic too often--mine has an unsightly yellow build-up.

Which is why, from now on, I will Mop and Glow nostalgic.
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 10:01:06 AM
HAPPY CILLA DAY!

And special birthday wishes for our own DR Cillaliz.

Thanks TCB
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Post by: Dan (the Man) on July 12, 2010, 10:17:48 AM
Just heard that Harvey Pekar, author of the AMERICAN SPLENDOR comic, has died.
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Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 10:48:48 AM
... BK, you may remember Bertrand Smith's Long Beach (is it still there?).  Well, Betrand Smith started in Cincy and had a store of five floors of used books. 

LB REPORT (http://www.lbreport.com/news/oct08/acreclos.htm)

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LB's Famed, Redevelopment Doomed Acres of Books Closes

(October 19, 2008) -- Wearing a shirt with the image of a corpse and the words "Death of an Independent," Acres of Books co-owner Jackie Smith rang up purchases on October 18...the iconic LB bookstore's last day.
...

LA OBSERVER (http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2008/06/ray_bradbury_mourns_acres_1.php)

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Ray Bradbury mourns Acres of Books

(http://www.laobserved.com/images/bradburyacres.jpg)

Right now there are no bookstores in downtown L.A. That's terrible. That's stupid, isn't it?...There's no really big bookstore, Pickwick used to be there, it was a very important bookstore....Bookstores should be the center of our life. There's no bookstore in Venice, California right now. There's no bookstore in Ocean Park. There's no bookstore in Beverly Hills. Jesus Christ, how dumb can you get! There's not one bookstore in Beverly Hills! All those stupid people, wandering around, looking for ideas. That is such a dumb place. That's why I'm here...This is my home.
[skip]
If this place could be kept here, if you're going to build a mall, they should build it around here. They should be the center of the mall. They should be a shrine. They should have a crucifix up in front. I will come and bless the goddamn place. And I mean that. I want this store to remain here and they can build a mall around it...It should be surrounded by other fascinating stores. It shouldn't be moved. It shouldn't be changed because it's the best bookstore in Long Beach and one of the best in California.

There are ten million books here and other bookstores have a couple of thousand, and they don't smell the same way. An old book smells like Egyptian incense. It's great. It's wonderful.

Here's the Cincy original:

(http://www.acresofbooks.com/Old%20Store.jpg)

der Brucer
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Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 10:58:46 AM
Greetings from Toyland! It's nice and cool here. I forgot one errand and I can do it tomorrow on my way to the NYU Dental Clinic. I've brought back to the office some reference books, including a bio of Lydia Lupokova, who was the featured ballet star of THE LADY OF THE SLIPPER in 1912. I'll hang out here for another 30 minutes or so before I walk down to 11th Street to meet Andy. I have to dig up some music here and take it home with me.

My adopted son Joshie can use some vibes; he went to Montreal and came back with a stomach disorder, although I doubt the two events are related. He has no health insurance until Encores! revs up in September so he could usethe vibes. Thanks!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 11:01:26 AM
The problem with bookstores disappearing is "simple" -- they need customers in order to pay the rent/bills/overhead/salaries.

Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 11:02:36 AM
Folks today don't read complete thoughts or complex sentences.  Paragraphs floor them.  Books in which a story is told can never replace the TV movies they can barely sit through.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 11:02:54 AM
A "We Miss You Matt post":

Tonight - season opener - THE CLOSER

der Brucer

Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 11:05:38 AM
When it takes me two hours to proof-read and correct a two-page letter -- removing hundreds of extraneous commas and semi-colons -- which the writer (paid twice what I earn) spent the better part of a whole workday composing, it can be no clearer to me that the education system spits out functional illiterates by the scores.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 11:07:17 AM
The problem with bookstores disappearing is "simple" -- they need customers in order to pay the rent/bills/overhead/salaries.


Not in the case of Acre's Of Books - it was a very profitable going concern; unfortunatelty, it sat on some prime real estate. The City Of Long Beach declared it an Historic Landmark and then the City Redevelopment Agency condemned the land to build a more atractive and profitable shopping area - go figure!

der Brucer
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 11:08:23 AM
Crap!  It's only MONDAY!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 11:12:40 AM
Did anyone watch last night's Masterpiece Theater of Poirot and "Murder on the Orient Express"?

QUITE different from the movie of the same name.  Great production values, but missing an elegant underscore, to my way of thinking.

Love that train.  Nice seeing some of those actors.  But it was Suchet who rose to new heights as Poirot.  It was a tour-de-force performance, IMO.

The story is fun, but it has its weaknesses, including some much-too-talky exposition by each character -- and some all-too-obvious efforts from some characters to disconcert Poirot. 
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 11:13:49 AM
It was lovely to watch "The Children's Hour" yesterday (on MGM-HD? or was it TCM?).   Nice to have the score from Kritzerland to preserve the memory.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 11:15:24 AM
Folks today don't read complete thoughts or complex sentences.  Paragraphs floor them.  Books in which a story is told can never replace the TV movies they can barely sit through.

And they can order them from Amazon or other online book sellers and have them delivered to the front door
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 11:18:23 AM
...it can be no clearer to me that the education system spits out functional illiterates by the scores.

Not so - they do not just spit them out - they parade them in cap and gown and laud their "progress"; you "old timers" don't appreciate that "self esteem" is more important than the ability to demonstate competence.

der Brucer

My 13 year-old Grandlad's five required book reports were all art projects - with the themes provided by the teacher.

He was using MS Word to generate the paste-up blurbs for his project - the software kept giving him error indications because he was putting periods at the the end of the sentence fragments which were part of a list 
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 11:19:39 AM
Welcome back Birthday Lady!

der Brucer
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 11:25:30 AM
Folks today don't read complete thoughts or complex sentences.  Paragraphs floor them.  Books in which a story is told can never replace the TV movies they can barely sit through.

And they can order them from Amazon or other online book sellers and have them delivered to the front door

The reality is that you see a book in a bookstore that you want, then you go home and order from Amazon for 20-50% less.

That is what's killing bookstores.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Edisaurus on July 12, 2010, 11:27:58 AM
Monday morning greetings!  It's a lazy morning here in Canton, OH, as Richard and I prepare to move on to Ashland (OH, DR Jane, not OR  :'() for the Ohio Chautauqua (http://www.ohiohumanities.org/?page_id=9).


My mom went to college in Ashland.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 11:32:40 AM
What really bothers me is how ignorant so much of the younger generation are today.

Do you every watch Jay Leno's "Jaywalking" segment?

I realize that they probably cut out the smart people (because they're not funny), but are the rest of them that stupid?

A couple weeks ago, they had a segment about the 4th of July.

Some of those idiots didn't even know what country America got its independence from.  One person said "Greece".

Don't they teach history or current events in school any longer?

The real tragedy is that these morons are allowed to vote.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 11:33:51 AM
Kids today (not ALL kids, but most kids) don't read because they are ADD, a disease that can be traced directly to MTV, the bombardment of constant images in quick succession, information coming out them non-stop aurally and visually - reading takes patience and understanding - two qualities that the two current generations lack in spades.  There are exceptions, of course.

The most shocking thing I've heard this year about our education system, and it shows just how far behind I am, is that they no longer teach handwriting in school - and boy does that explain my last helper's unbelievably childish scrawl - only printing they teach now - that, to me, is nauseating and disgusting and just another nail in the coffin of civilized behavior. 
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Edisaurus on July 12, 2010, 11:34:20 AM
A "We Miss You Matt post":

Tonight - season opener - THE CLOSER

der Brucer



I miss being part of the team tonight. I did bring them cupcakes from Camicakes, right around the corner from me. They were running behind so I waited to get the flavors I knew they would like the best. I also brought them bandaids in the shape of crime scene tape...very cute!

When I got to Turner, they had a big table set out in the lobby with sweets of different sorts, but the girls were very happy to get the Cami cakes.

I still plan on tuning in tonight, and wish them big numbers.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 11:34:22 AM
These kids today...
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 11:34:30 AM
Why I oughta...
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 11:34:54 AM
Back from the morning errand and now I shall try to write a few lines of dialogue.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Edisaurus on July 12, 2010, 11:35:05 AM
Cami Cakes!

http://www.camicakes.com/
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 11:36:29 AM
I'm ready to walk down Seventh Avenue. I've accomplished most of what I needed to do at Toyland, so I'm outa here.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Edisaurus on July 12, 2010, 11:36:42 AM
Wish I could bring you some for your birthday, DR Cillaliz! Have a happy day!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Edisaurus on July 12, 2010, 11:37:30 AM
Elmore, glad you such a nice visit to Ohio and got to spend some quality time with Ginny and Hahahaha Richard!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 11:39:11 AM
Kids today (not ALL kids, but most kids) don't read because they are ADD, a disease that can be traced directly to MTV, the bombardment of constant images in quick succession, information coming out them non-stop aurally and visually - reading takes patience and understanding - two qualities that the two current generations lack in spades.  There are exceptions, of course.

The most shocking thing I've heard this year about our education system, and it shows just how far behind I am, is that they no longer teach handwriting in school - and boy does that explain my last helper's unbelievably childish scrawl - only printing they teach now - that, to me, is nauseating and disgusting and just another nail in the coffin of civilized behavior. 

I'm told that they "teach for 'the test'," which, I understand, is basically math, science and basic English.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Charles Pogue on July 12, 2010, 11:42:36 AM
Kids today (not ALL kids, but most kids) don't read because they are ADD, a disease that can be traced directly to MTV, the bombardment of constant images in quick succession, information coming out them non-stop aurally and visually - reading takes patience and understanding - two qualities that the two current generations lack in spades.  There are exceptions, of course.

The most shocking thing I've heard this year about our education system, and it shows just how far behind I am, is that they no longer teach handwriting in school - and boy does that explain my last helper's unbelievably childish scrawl - only printing they teach now - that, to me, is nauseating and disgusting and just another nail in the coffin of civilized behavior. 

It can be traced not only to MTV, but TV in general, and the internet...
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Edisaurus on July 12, 2010, 11:42:59 AM
TOD: Since we moved so much (7 different elementary schools!) I didn't stay in one place long enough to miss much, place-wise. We didn't have much money so we rarely went to restaurants, theatres. etc. and even if I did remember things like that I haven't been back to know whether they're there or not. But I often lament the areas of beautiful woods and terrain that has been leveled for some obscenely generic shopping mall/mixed use development/office park, etc.



Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Edisaurus on July 12, 2010, 11:43:37 AM
Kids today (not ALL kids, but most kids) don't read because they are ADD, a disease that can be traced directly to MTV, the bombardment of constant images in quick succession, information coming out them non-stop aurally and visually - reading takes patience and understanding - two qualities that the two current generations lack in spades.  There are exceptions, of course.

The most shocking thing I've heard this year about our education system, and it shows just how far behind I am, is that they no longer teach handwriting in school - and boy does that explain my last helper's unbelievably childish scrawl - only printing they teach now - that, to me, is nauseating and disgusting and just another nail in the coffin of civilized behavior. 

It can be traced not only to MTV, but TV in general, and the internet...

And Sesame Street, I've been told...
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Laura on July 12, 2010, 11:48:21 AM
I have been told that I have to understand how young people are today. Like, they make a commitment and then don't show up. I have to understand how young people are.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: George on July 12, 2010, 12:03:20 PM
A Very Happy Birthday to DR Cillaliz!! ;D
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 12:09:10 PM
I was raised in Detroit and have very good memories of my childhood.  What do I miss about Detroit? 1) The Pontchartrain Wine Cellars, 2) Little Harry's Restaurant, 3) Street cars, 4) The Ford Rotunda, 5) Downtown Hudson's at Christmas time, 6) Vernor's Ginger Ale, 7) Sanders hot fudge sundaes, 8) Soupy Sales (originally from Detroit), 9) the Van Dyke Place restaurant, and too many other things to mention. I hope that some of you have heard of a few of these places and things.

When we first moved to Michigan there was a Sander's near us.  At some point it closed.  I never made it downtown during Christmas to see the department stores.   I'm not a fan of Verner's.  Across the street from our second home was a big beautiful home once owned by a Verner.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 12:11:21 PM
Good morning, all! I went to bed at 9:30, read the new book on WEST SIDE STORY for abuot an hour and turned off the lights, so I got about 10 hours' worth of sleep last night, and I'm feeling pretty good. This afternoon at 3, I'm getting together with Andy Buck, a friend from my Drama Book Shop days whom I've not seen in around 15 years. That will be a lot of fun, I think.

I had to call the post office this morning and complain; on July 3, I put in a request to have my mail held from July 9-12, and when I got home yesterday, I found two letters and a brochure in my post box and two packages left under my door mat. I needed to complain to the ass in charge that they had screwed up - this is the second time in a year this has happened! - and to determine if there were more mail I should come to pick up. No wonder the damned morons running the US Postal System claim they're in trouble. Onceis an accident, twice is incompetence.

I have to do some laundry this morning. I guess I should get started.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Birthday to DR Cillaliz !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I can't get a neighbor to pick up the mail I stop it a day early to make sure it really stops.  I have also dropped off one card at the post office and put the other one in my mail box for the mailman to pick up.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 12:12:59 PM
I was raised in Detroit and have very good memories of my childhood.  What do I miss about Detroit? 1) The Pontchartrain Wine Cellars, 2) Little Harry's Restaurant, 3) Street cars, 4) The Ford Rotunda, 5) Downtown Hudson's at Christmas time, 6) Vernor's Ginger Ale, 7) Sanders hot fudge sundaes, 8) Soupy Sales (originally from Detroit), 9) the Van Dyke Place restaurant, and too many other things to mention. I hope that some of you have heard of a few of these places and things.

Oh, my, DR Thom, I grew up in Detroit, too, and your post could almost be MY post!  I miss the downtown Hudson's at ANY time of year, WJR (from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building), the Detroit Institute of Arts and the Main Library, Hilberry Classic Theatre at Wayne State University, and the arches of elm trees that lined the residential streets.  The restaurant I miss is Snow White on Grand River.

I used to go to the DIA with my friends for special events. :)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 12:16:01 PM
Oh, my, DR Thom, I grew up in Detroit, too, and your post could almost be MY post!  I miss the downtown Hudson's at ANY time of year, WJR (from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building), the Detroit Institute of Arts and the Main Library, Hilberry Classic Theatre at Wayne State University, and the arches of elm trees that lined the residential streets.  The restaurant I miss is Snow White on Grand River.

DR Ginny - I am happy to report that the Detroit Institute of Arts went through a major renovation and is now better than ever. I am a graduate of Wayne State University and I am a contributor to the Hilberry Theatre, which is still very active and important to the community.


I hadn't heard that.  As a special treat my friends and I would go to the Toledo Art Museum which I preferred.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 12:18:27 PM

DR elmore, HEALTH VIBES TO ADS JOSHIE!!!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 12:19:36 PM
A "We Miss You Matt post":

Tonight - season opener - THE CLOSER

der Brucer



Yes and thank you for this exciting bit of news. :)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 12:22:17 PM
A "We Miss You Matt post":

Tonight - season opener - THE CLOSER

der Brucer



I miss being part of the team tonight. I did bring them cupcakes from Camicakes, right around the corner from me. They were running behind so I waited to get the flavors I knew they would like the best. I also brought them bandaids in the shape of crime scene tape...very cute!

When I got to Turner, they had a big table set out in the lobby with sweets of different sorts, but the girls were very happy to get the Cami cakes.

I still plan on tuning in tonight, and wish them big numbers.

That is nice of you.  I haven't seen those cute bandaides.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jennifer on July 12, 2010, 12:29:21 PM
Health vibes for Joshie. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 12:29:29 PM
...they no longer teach handwriting in school - and boy does that explain my last helper's unbelievably childish scrawl - only printing they teach now -

My guess is that they no longer have ink wells in every desk.

Realistically, there is little use for cursive in out modern computer world. The kids are being taught compunter skills instead.

Inasmuch as schools' budget, and in some cases survival, depends on how well the kids perform on standardized tests, classroom attention is focused on mastering the data being tested - and they don't test cursive! (Grandlad's third grade teacher, moved all of the cursive modules which were strung throughout the school year, and put them in a group at the end - after the March testing.

Actually, I virtually never use cursive - I address envelopes using block letters (which the Post Office adores).

der Brucer
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 12:29:41 PM
DR Sam I like your weekend routine of not driving.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jennifer on July 12, 2010, 12:32:46 PM
I wish that we got TNT here.  There is a channel called Super Channel that carries THE CLOSER. But i don't get that channel. So i have to wait till the station that I do get (W) gets around to showing the show. They are currently near the end of season 4 (which i am watching). I really love this show.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 12:36:20 PM
- reading takes patience and understanding - two qualities that the two current generations lack in spades. 

Many also lack the positive example of parents, at home, reading for pleasure. The kids see reading as a necessary evil to survive Grades 3-12.

der Brucer
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 12:38:11 PM
I like HHW because so many of the DEAR READERS are dear readers.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 12:38:23 PM
Feel better vibes for Joshie friend of DR ELMORE.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 12:39:54 PM
I saw this written down once:

Teen:  You don't understand this generation....we have the internet, and cell phones, and all of these electronic devices to use, we are far beyond what you were when you were our age.  You didn't have these things when you were young.

Man My Age:  That's right.  We didn't have them, so we had to invent them.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 12:39:56 PM
Sorry, I like handwriting.  Cursive, as you call it.  I like printing, too, but cursive is a wonderful thing and now it's going to go the way of the dodo bird.  And that is not a good thing, if you ask me.  So, schools are all about these big tests now?  They used to be about learning and teaching and a variety of subjects.  Now it's all about some school district tests?  Maybe that's why the youth of today is so illiterate.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 12:41:11 PM
I am most intrigued by the Columbia Film Noir Collection, but it is at least $45......so it will be awhile before it resides at my house.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 12:44:18 PM
I saw this written down once:

Teen:  You don't understand this generation....we have the internet, and cell phones, and all of these electronic devices to use, we are far beyond what you were when you were our age.  You didn't have these things when you were young.

Man My Age:  That's right.  We didn't have them, so we had to invent them.

Gee, I wonder what would happen to these young folks if (God forbid) all power and electronics were somehow destroyed.

They would be totally incapacitated.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 01:00:05 PM
Here is the Mooresville Town Square recently......the building on the corner was the Citizen's Bank...and on the corner stood the 20' high lighted KKK cross....  :P

I used to have a book with OLDER photos, but it was borrowed never to be seen again.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 01:00:58 PM
We have a bookstore downtown.  ;D
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 01:02:36 PM
It used to be a Motorcycle repair shop.....before that a paint and tile store.....before that Ruby's Restaurant.....before that Swinney's Heating & Cooling.....the first thing I remember it being was Mooresville Water Company
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 01:03:51 PM
The bulding with the awning in the first photo was a Rexall Drug Store with a soda fountain!  The building to its right was the Western Auto.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 01:04:16 PM
Now it is Zydeco's Restaurant and a Dance Studio.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 01:06:31 PM
That's my father in front our family summer home in Soap Lake, WA, circa early-1950s.

We had some happy times there.

Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: George on July 12, 2010, 01:20:22 PM
My adopted son Joshie can use some vibes; he went to Montreal and came back with a stomach disorder, although I doubt the two events are related. He has no health insurance until Encores! revs up in September so he could usethe vibes. Thanks!

~~~Super Vibes for DR Elmore's DAS Joshie!!~~~
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 01:20:26 PM
That's a big chimney DR DRUXY!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 01:26:36 PM
That's a big chimney DR DRUXY!

2 fireplaces; one inside and one outside.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 01:33:44 PM
That's my father in front our family summer home in Soap Lake, WA, circa early-1950s.

We had some happy times there.



That is a fabulous looking home! I love the design!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: KevinH on July 12, 2010, 01:34:44 PM
Happy Birthday, DR Cillaliz!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 01:35:41 PM
ADD has nothing whatsoever to do with MTV, internet, movies or anyother thing of that sort. It is a medical condition that has been around forever, but only recently recognized. So enough of that ridiculousness, OK.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 01:35:46 PM
I have been told that I have to understand how young people are today. Like, they make a commitment and then don't show up. I have to understand how young people are.


That's very much like Queen Noor chastising the west for not "understanding" the middle eastern mindset back during the first Gulf War.  If we could "understand" that our concept of "Hell, no!  That ain't right" was really "This is everything we stand for!" in Jordan, then we wouldn't be ut there saving Kuwait from Iraq.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 01:41:12 PM
My grand-niece is learning cursive in her first grade class, so I can't figure out where you are finding this information that cursive is no longer taught.

I rarely write in cursive, anymore. I don't know why. Frankly, I don't see why it should even matter. My only concern would be whether I could read someone's writing or not.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 01:41:56 PM
I think I am grumpy today.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 01:42:10 PM
Here is a  very disturbing news story   (http://www.ktvu.com/news/24225596/detail.html?treets=fran&tml=fran_12pm&ts=T&tmi=fran_12pm_1_02000107122010) from here in Oakland.


Mark the nonsensical statement from the mother that she simply did not believe the police report...even though the father "admitted" what he had done.  And this is symptomatic of MUCH of what goes on here...disrespect, to the point of utter imbecility, for peace officers.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 01:43:05 PM
I think I am grumpy today.


Well, cursive you!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 01:45:17 PM
But I am not too grumpy to wish DR Cillaliz a fantastic and wonderful birthday! Have a fun day, Priscilla!!


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Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 01:46:10 PM
Happy Birthday, CillaLiz!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 01:48:13 PM
...they no longer teach handwriting in school - and boy does that explain my last helper's unbelievably childish scrawl - only printing they teach now -

My guess is that they no longer have ink wells in every desk.

Realistically, there is little use for cursive in out modern computer world. The kids are being taught compunter skills instead.

Inasmuch as schools' budget, and in some cases survival, depends on how well the kids perform on standardized tests, classroom attention is focused on mastering the data being tested - and they don't test cursive! (Grandlad's third grade teacher, moved all of the cursive modules which were strung throughout the school year, and put them in a group at the end - after the March testing.

Actually, I virtually never use cursive - I address envelopes using block letters (which the Post Office adores).

der Brucer

That's because more and more postal carriers cannot read handwriting unless it's block-printed.

How many school-age children do you suppose could read out loud the Declaration of Independence in its original hand-written form?
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 01:49:23 PM
That's a big chimney DR DRUXY!


LOL!  I think so, too.  It must have been one huge fireplace.  As a kid, I'd have turned it into a stage, I thinik!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Charles Pogue on July 12, 2010, 01:55:44 PM
...they no longer teach handwriting in school - and boy does that explain my last helper's unbelievably childish scrawl - only printing they teach now -

My guess is that they no longer have ink wells in every desk.

Realistically, there is little use for cursive in out modern computer world. The kids are being taught compunter skills instead.

Inasmuch as schools' budget, and in some cases survival, depends on how well the kids perform on standardized tests, classroom attention is focused on mastering the data being tested - and they don't test cursive! (Grandlad's third grade teacher, moved all of the cursive modules which were strung throughout the school year, and put them in a group at the end - after the March testing.

Actually, I virtually never use cursive - I address envelopes using block letters (which the Post Office adores).

der Brucer

I've not really used cursive since I graduated college and then only for school work.  Privately, I have been printing since high school.  Still I think it probably an discipline worth learning...I hate to think that letters and documents from the 19th-20th century would suddenly need a whole new generation of scholar learning the arcane hieroglyphics of cursive to translate them.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 01:59:52 PM
"It's the voodoo, I tell you....it's the voodoo." Eulabelle in THE HORROR OF PARTY BEACH
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 02:01:31 PM
In the small city where I grew up -- Greenville, SC -- there were many attractions, not the least of which was the city's "Main Street" on which there were no fewer than four "downtown" movie theaters, one featuring the largest CinemaScope screen in South Carolina (and it was a former vaudeville theater, to boot).   I spent many wonderful Saturdays in that theater.  Fortunately for me, the inevitable didn't happen until I moved away.  The Carolina Theater was razed so that a Hilton Hotel could be built upon the site.  I had lunch there one day in the mid-1970s with my former college roommate.  That hotel has long since been razed and another hotel structure has taken its place.  The Carolina was where I saw all the films released by 20th Century-Fox, Columbia Pictures, and United Artists.  It's where I saw the 1963 re-release of "The Robe", the 1964 re-release of "South Pacific", and where I saw "The Sound of Music" in its "Roadshow Engagement."

The Fox Theater was across the street and one block down.  I saw all my Disney features/animated classics there, plus my Universal films (all the Doris Day, Rock Hudson movies played there)...and, most important of all, it's where I saw "To Kill A Mockingbird".

Across the street from the Fox (on the same side as the Carolina) but down the street two more blocks were two older houses -- the Paris Theater and the Center Theater.  Both were named something else in their days of glory, and you could see glimmers of that glory in the interior architecture.  One had a balcony that was always closed.  Both these houses were second-run/revival houses.  One occasionally delved into soft porn/blue movies, but not very often.  All are now gone.

The neighborhoods around the city I discoverd when I began driving.   Great broad, tree-lined streets; houses with huge, generous porches/verandas/balconies; wonderful flowering shrubbery and annuals in their gardens.  At any time of the year, it was a treat just to drive through those neighborhoods.

Happily, most are still there and are being tended by a younger generation who are lovingly preserving the original concepts of those houses and yards, at least on the exterior.

The first neighborhood I lived in there is nearly identical today to what it was in 1957.  Driving through the Overbrook Park district (and part of the City's historical register now), I am able to smell the air and wood smoke and to imagine myself as I bicycled along those streets -- the same houses, the same trees (they look the same to me because I am older and taller now, as are they).  Many of the houses look the same.  The one we lived in for a couple of years is unchanged save for the side porch having been enclosed.  The picture window out of which I watched my first snowfall still looks the same.

My mom and I go back every December for a day and drive around those 'hoods and we remark how changed things look or how the same things look.  What is really strange, at times, is how certain buildings remain the same, but their functions have changed dramatically.

Most egregious change of all, however, remains the loss of the Carolina Theater.  The building where the Fox Theater was remains unchanged, but the interior has been gutted over time and the marquee removed and replaced with a store front.

Sigh.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 02:05:28 PM
While the problem of ADD has been around for decades, it was not anything that was as prevalent as it is today.  Sorry, but the bombardment of images and having to have something occupy every second of your existence is very much a problem of the media and the Internet age, which is why cases of ADD have, what, gone up about 10,000% since the mid-1980s.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 02:06:01 PM
Back from picking up mail - three packages today - a Blu-Ray, a couple of CDs, and a book.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 02:06:38 PM
So, schools are all about these big tests now?  They used to be about learning and teaching and a variety of subjects.  Now it's all about some school district tests? 

It's not so simple - today (unlike when we were in school) the schools depend on the Federal Government for a good chunk of their funding - and that funding comes with strings attached - Assessment Tests (All part of the No Child Left Behind Program). Requiring standardized metrics to be used to help assess individual schools performance is not necessarily a bad idea; but, like many a fine idea, once the bureaucrats get finished with "refining it" and "administering it" the baby is gone and only the wash water remains. Administrator's urgings to emphasize Reading and Math was interpreted as an invitation to cancel all Arts and Humanities (Social Studies) modules.

The classroom teachers are also being placed in a ridiculous position: they are required to prepare lesson plans to match State dictated curriculum objectives, which do not track with the content being testing by the Standardized Tests. The teachers are required to use textbooks dictated by the state, which match neither the Required Curricula nor the Standardized tests. Since the Tests are administered in March, the teachers rearrange the state curricula to front-end load it with material expected to be tested and then need to figure out how to use the provided texts which do not address the specifics required.

To compound the problems, the American For Disabilities Act, the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act and the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 all provided unfunded federal mandates on the schools - extensive local funds must be diverted from their traditional uses to support these programs.

The Grandlad's third grade teacher had a class size of 22 - in order to teach the reading module, the class had to be divided into 5 separate groups based on ability.

When the younger Grandlad was starting fourth grade, he was failing his reading tests - he was basically reading at second grade level. They put him in a remedial summer course which he passed with flying colors. When my DIL noted that he was NOT reading at fourth grade level, the response was "He was one of our best students - he reads at mid-third grade level, and the others are barely at entry level. He barely scraped by fourth grade because he could not read the study material, the homework instructions, nor the test questions.

der Brucer
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 02:10:33 PM
As for waxing nostalgic about my hometown, Medford, Oregon...it has changed a bit since I lived there. Downtown Medford used to be thriving...Woolworth's, J.C. Penney, a wonderful toy store whose name I don't recall...but I bought many Breyer's horses, matchbox cars and model car kits there, The Craterian theatre and the Holly Theatre, and Newberry's department store were all downtown. The only other shopping places in the old days were at the Medford Shopping centre and then on the other side of town at Black Bird (which is still there, I believe).

Now Medford's downtown is a ghost town, and has been since the 1980s.
Other then that, the rest of Medford is not too different then it was when I left in 1982, aside from some newer neighborhoods that have sprung up on the outskirts of town. Where I lived, out on Griffin Creek, is basically still farm land, orchards, and mountains.


Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on July 12, 2010, 02:10:56 PM
While the problem of ADD has been around for decades, it was not anything that was as prevalent as it is today.  Sorry, but the bombardment of images and having to have something occupy every second of your existence is very much a problem of the media and the Internet age, which is why cases of ADD have, what, gone up about 10,000% since the mid-1980s.


I certainly don't mean to make light of this subject, but I have long thought that I had a form of ADD growing up.   I know I was addicted to TV.   It was, however, a great babysitter for my folks when they wanted to go out "free of the kid" and be with other adults.

Don't misunderstand that addiction, however.  I was a voracious reader.  In class, however, I had to be creatively engaged in what was being taught or I'd while away the class hour thiking of other things.

My form of ADD was contingent upon a teacher's ability to connect with me and to engage my mind.  When I "took" to a teacher I'd leave no stone unturned in not only meeting her or his expectations but in also finding ways to surpass them.  Sometimes, the connection was immediate. 

In one case, it took about a month...and when she suggested I ought not be in her class (an advanced 10th grade English class studying novels and plays), I asked her to explain what she wanted from me.  When she took the time, after class, to tell me what I should be paying attention to in my readings, what I should be thinking of in my approach to writing about those novels and plays, a whole world opened up to me. 

"Ohhh! " I thought. "Why didn't anyone tell me this at the start?"  She thought I should have known, but I didn't  I had come to that school from a junior high school.  In 9th Grade English, I had mastered the rules of Grammar, sentence structure, punctuation, parsing, etc.  I had made my first "A" in English.  Nobody ever explained "messages", or "allegory", or "thematic references" (such as Shakespeare's use of "green" in one of his plays).

After that, my interest was unwavering and Mrs. Price, my teacher, was thrilled. 

Sadly, teachers like her were few and far between in my experience.  It left many educators puzzled as to how I could do poorly in Algebra I and make "A's" in Algebra II, or how I could be "middling" in one English class and soar in another.   The teachers responsible -- both the good ones and the so-so ones -- were never thought to have anything to do with it...it was "my whims" as one of them put it to my mother.   

Hah!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 02:12:26 PM
That's because more and more postal carriers cannot read handwriting unless it's block-printed.

How many school-age children do you suppose could read out loud the Declaration of Independence in its original hand-written form?

A. The optical scan sorters like the block lettering as well.

B. How many of our Federal Officials do you think could pass your reading test?

Sad - ain't it!

der Brucer
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 02:14:37 PM
That's a big chimney DR DRUXY!

LOL!  I think so, too.  It must have been one huge fireplace.  As a kid, I'd have turned it into a stage, I thinik!

There is a funny story which (damn it) I forgot to include in my forthcoming book.

 :'(

About 2-3 blocks from our Soap Lake home was the McKay Memorial Hospital.

One night, a "crazy" women escaped from the hospital's mental ward...nude

[Sorry, I don't know if she had perky breasts or not.]

 ::)

CUT TO:

EXT. OUR HOUSE.  AROUND MIDNIGHT.

It's a hot night.  My father can't sleep, so he comes out to sit on the porch.

After awhile, he sees some people with flashlights walking around the beach, about half a block away.  (We owned the beach.)

A bit later, this woman in white  comes into our yard, calling "Barbie!  Barbie!"

My Dad is wondering, "What the hell is going on?", then from under the porch, he hears, "Here I am!" and out crawls this naked girl, who runs over to the nurse.

 :o

Boy, did my father get a razzing on that one.

I was about 10-11; slept through the whole thing.

 ;D


Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 02:23:33 PM
Some of my favorite memories of living in Central Point (from 5th grade through 8th grade--1975 to 1978) was going everywhere on my bicycle. Central Point was just a little town of about 10,000, just north of Medford. The main street had the library, a stamp and coin shop, grocery store, and pharmacy.

I would regularly ride my bike to the library, where I checked out my first books on movie stars...bios of Jack Benny and Judy Garland.

At the pharmacy I would bUy many Aurora model kits...either of vintage cars or the monster model kits and get my monthly issue of FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND.

And, as I collected both stamps and coins, I made many trips to that shop.

Central Point was just the right size to be able to ride your bike anywhere.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 02:25:25 PM
BK, what you think of as ADD, is not ADD.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 02:25:54 PM
Cami Cakes!

http://www.camicakes.com/


YUM!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 02:26:45 PM
A Very Happy Birthday to DR Cillaliz!! ;D

Thanks George
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 02:28:19 PM
That's my father in front our family summer home in Soap Lake, WA, circa early-1950s.

We had some happy times there.



Cool house!!!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 02:28:39 PM
Happy Birthday, DR Cillaliz!

Thanks Kevin!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
But I am not too grumpy to wish DR Cillaliz a fantastic and wonderful birthday! Have a fun day, Priscilla!!


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Thanks MBarnum!! I Love it.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 02:30:00 PM
Happy Birthday, CillaLiz!

Thanks Ron!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 02:31:00 PM
This used to be the Ritz Theatre where I saw TARANTULA and FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLFMAN in re-release and SUMMER MAGIC and THE PARENT TRAP.

It is now, of course, the office the Mooresville Times weekly newspaper.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 02:33:24 PM
ADD has nothing whatsoever to do with MTV, internet, movies or anyother thing of that sort. It is a medical condition that has been around forever, but only recently recognized. So enough of that ridiculousness, OK.

I assume this is from the voice of experience?
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 02:34:49 PM
My grand-niece is learning cursive in her first grade class, so I can't figure out where you are finding this information that cursive is no longer taught.

I rarely write in cursive, anymore. I don't know why. Frankly, I don't see why it should even matter. My only concern would be whether I could read someone's writing or not.

Is it because crayon looks better in print than cursive?

Oy! Mel Gibson is behaving like an asshole again. This man is truly pathetic.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 02:36:15 PM
We had a wonderful old theater that was a vaudeville theater in it's day, The Grand.  I used to go to movies there. We'd sneak up into the balcony, make noise and get in lots of trouble.   It's gone now.  Torn down. That's sad.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 02:37:02 PM
I just got an email from a frend asking if he received my package this weekend. I guess the Post Office is really screwing up because I have no idea where it may be!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 02:38:40 PM
Not to be one to complain....Since it wasn't in the notes I'm going to the store to get pointy hats and cheese and ham chunks so we can celebrate my birthday in style!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 02:39:19 PM
ADD has nothing whatsoever to do with MTV, internet, movies or anyother thing of that sort. It is a medical condition that has been around forever, but only recently recognized. So enough of that ridiculousness, OK.

Yes,.....but.....

Since the definition of ADD in the 1980's there seems to be a marked increase in the incidence of the condition.

Some of that increase is no doubt because of:

A. Greater awareness of the condition

B. Eagerness to classify kids with ADD to support eligibility for various programs.

C. Some increase due to yet undetermined causative factors.

Our inability to separate "C" from "A and B" makes finding and evaluating the factors problematic.

I remember my first born was sent home from Kindergarden with and ADD diagnosis and a suggestion he be put on medication.

"Robert can not sit still"

"Robert can not complete assigned tasks"

"Robert can not remain still for nap time".

My response:

No, Dear Lady you are wrong!   

Robert does not want to sit still, Robert has little or no interest in completing your boring assignments, and Robert definitely has no desire to take naps. Robert does not need medication, he needs stimulation and discipline.

(Robert used to eagerly await the arrival of each issue of the Time-Life Books Nature series. He would grab the book and disappear into his room to pour over this new treasure. We had to pry the book out of his hands and make him eat dinner, then back to his room he went - not to be seen or heard from again until the book was finished.) ADD, indeed!

der Brucer
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 02:53:54 PM

Gee, I wonder what would happen to these young folks if (God forbid) all power and electronics were somehow destroyed.

They would be totally incapacitated.

Unfortunately, because of our modernized, computerized, environment, we would (most) all be totally asea. We need the high-tech goodies to move the goods and support the services we have come to depend upon for daily existence.

Remeber, it is the hi-tech gadgets that keep the planes from crashing to earth on your house.

der Brucer

(And the kids who don't know cursive can't milk a cow, either!)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Charles Pogue on July 12, 2010, 02:57:19 PM
I don't know from Attention Deficit Disorder.  But I see an inability to concentrate and certain voracious impatience when it comes having to focus on one thing for any length of time.  I attribute it to the bombardment of stimuli from most media sources be it TV, rock videos, or the internet.  We are learning to absorb image without content...which to me seems pretty pointless.  I don't think it's the amount of stimuli you absorb that's important,  but the quality and depth of the stimuli you're absorbing.  And maybe stimuli is the wrong word here.  I think we're way overstimulated; we're entertainng ourselves to death and have an inability to disconnect from our technological diversions.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 02:57:21 PM
This is the best weather to scour the net for potential Christmas purchases:


For Laura:

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For BK

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For Edisaurus

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der Brucer
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 03:00:47 PM
I forgot to mention how wonderful my meeting with Andy went. I hadn't seen him since 1993 when he stopped wrking for The Drama Book Shop, but he says it was 1998 at a Men's Chorus concert. We spent a wonderful two hours catching up and it was great to reconnect.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 03:07:47 PM
...have an inability to disconnect from our technological diversions.
Aaaah . and there's the rub!

You're right -  it is not the character of the diversions but our seeming inability to "disconnect".  If only, if just on an occasion, folks could disconnect from Facebook and face a Sunset, or unplug from their IPod Rap  and plug into a Symphony.

der Brucer
   
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 03:10:54 PM
Downtown Medford as I remember it.


(http://www.pstos.org/instruments/or/medford/craterian_streetscene-1950s-l.jpg)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 03:13:24 PM
The inside of the Craterian, where I saw many a Disney movie, Sindbad flick, and Burt Reynolds comedy.


(http://www.pstos.org/instruments/or/medford/craterian_auditorium-1925-l.jpg)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 03:18:10 PM
I am guessing there were those, however, who were horrified by the downtown Medford of the 1960s/70s and longed for this version:



(http://i.ebayimg.com/01/!B)d3Kpg!2k~$(KGrHqF,!h8Ev1+zwsMbBMNkmigodQ~~_3.JPG)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 03:23:05 PM
The only photo I can find of new or old Central Point's main drag is this bar..a place I obviously never went to as a kid.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3114/2734868752_fed1242a57.jpg)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 03:29:57 PM
Downtown Medford as I remember it.


(http://www.pstos.org/instruments/or/medford/craterian_streetscene-1950s-l.jpg)

When I moved to Los Angeles from Seattle in November of 1963, my first night on the road was spent in Medford.

I've never been back.

Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 03:33:38 PM
Downtown Salem, Oregon, where I now live, has changed considerably over the last 100 years. So many old buildings, and whole blocks of giant Victorian homes were torn down and bulldozed from the 1930s through the 1960s.

I see old photos of neighborhoods downtown that are completely gone. Many, if not most, of the vintage apartment buildings were razed in the 50s and 60s. Unfortunately, far too many of the buildings built in the 1970s are still around. Those ugly monstrosities should be destroyed! Ugh.

Thankfully, a lot of the old downtown main streets still exist, well sort of. A lot of the buildings were torn down in the 20s and 30s with new buildings put in during those two decades...but they are all pretty cool looking. Not much pre-1920s buildings exist in Salem, it seems.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/US_Bank_downtown_Salem_Oregon.JPG/800px-US_Bank_downtown_Salem_Oregon.JPG)


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Salem_Oregon_downtown_State_Street_buildings.JPG/800px-Salem_Oregon_downtown_State_Street_buildings.JPG)

(http://www.reedoperahouse.com/history/assets/history/t002.jpg)


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Downtown_Salem_Oregon_Commercial_Street.JPG)


(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l25/wickland1/PA260032.jpg)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 03:40:08 PM
One more historical Salem building that is currently being torn down is the Oregon State Hospital (aka Insane Asylum) which is where the movie ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST was filmed.

This is about 5 blocks from my house.


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3080/3525124768_1215d87c7c.jpg)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 03:44:41 PM
One more historical Salem building that is currently being torn down is the Oregon State Hospital (aka Insane Asylum) which is where the movie ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST was filmed.

This is about 5 blocks from my house.


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3080/3525124768_1215d87c7c.jpg)

I'm tempted, but I won't go down that road.  Too obvious.

 ::)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 03:53:38 PM
That's a pretty nifty 1959 Pontiac headed our way in the first picture DR MBARNUM.

Do you have a copy of Steve Reeves in THE WHITE WARRIOR?
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 03:56:38 PM
I do have Steve Reeves in THE WHITE WARRIOR. I think I bought it when Walmart had all of those $1 dvds. I have yet to watch it, however.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 03:57:20 PM
If you don't DR Druxy, you know DR Elmore will!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 04:00:56 PM
The Village People have issued a statement that they are dismayed that the YMCA is dropping the whole name of "Young Mens Christian Association" and just becoming "The Y"

Why does this make me laugh so hard
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 04:15:22 PM
I like HHW because so many of the DEAR READERS are dear readers.

So do I. :)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 04:18:56 PM
ADD has nothing whatsoever to do with MTV, internet, movies or anyother thing of that sort. It is a medical condition that has been around forever, but only recently recognized. So enough of that ridiculousness, OK.

So very true.  It was recognized, granted not all that well, long before this generation.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 04:29:40 PM
One more historical Salem building that is currently being torn down is the Oregon State Hospital (aka Insane Asylum) which is where the movie ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST was filmed.

This is about 5 blocks from my house.


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3080/3525124768_1215d87c7c.jpg)

Do they ever try to lure you back? Do they offer a toaster? An initialed straight jacket? An antique bodybuilder?
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 04:30:14 PM
If you don't DR Druxy, you know DR Elmore will!

Moi?
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 04:35:58 PM
While the problem of ADD has been around for decades, it was not anything that was as prevalent as it is today.  Sorry, but the bombardment of images and having to have something occupy every second of your existence is very much a problem of the media and the Internet age, which is why cases of ADD have, what, gone up about 10,000% since the mid-1980s.

I would like to see the studies you have read on this.  As far as I know reasons for this condition are speculative.  The strongest theory I know of is that it is genetic.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 04:45:11 PM
I'm enjoying all the photos today.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 04:55:23 PM
DR DerBrucer has your grandlad caught up on his reading skills? 

I am very grateful that when I had trouble learning to read my parents got me a tutor instead of waiting for the school to help me.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 04:55:33 PM
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Lindsay Lohan's Plan to Stay Out of Jail

Lindsay Lohan might have been sentenced to 90 days in the slammer last week by an angry judge, but that doesn't mean the troubled young actress is going down without a fight.

"Lindsay has no intention of going to jail," a friend of Lohan's tells me. "The only thing that Lindsay did wrong was hire the wrong attorney and now she has fixed that."

Lindsay now has a new attorney, Stuart V. Goldberg, who has arrived in Los Angeles from Chicago claiming, "We're going after them."

Lindsay is supposed to surrender to the court by July 20, but now that her new lawyer is in place, sources tell me Lindsay is confident she won't have to spend a minute in jail.

"She is paying her new lawyer a fortune to fix this mess. She doesn't care what it takes," an insider tells me. "If Lindsay needs to start a Facebook campaign or set up protests or something like that she is totally into it. They are treating Lindsay differently because she is a star, so it's about time she used her star power to help her. She's seen the movie 'Chicago' several times, so it's not like she doesn't know how this sort of thing works!"


Memo to Ms Lohan:

It says you wish to use your star power. Bernadette Peters is a Star, Helen Mirren is a star, Guy Haines is a star, even Paula Abdul is a star - you, Missie, are no star.

Instead of Chicago, I offer for you viewing pleasure, and education;

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/Caged_heat_movie_poster.jpg)

der Brucer
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ginny on July 12, 2010, 04:55:57 PM
Greetings from beautiful Ashland, OH!  The 90 minute trip here from Canton took us about 6 hours because we spent almost 4 hours at Lehman's (http://www.lehmans.com), a company whose catalog we've received for several years.  Then we drove through beautiful Amish farmland to Wooster, OH, and drove through the campus of The College of Wooster.  We checked into our hotel, went for late lunch/early dinner, and drove through town to find the Chautauqua venues and to see the campus of Ashland University.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jennifer on July 12, 2010, 04:57:41 PM
DR DerBrucer has your grandlad caught up on his reading skills? 

I am very grateful that when I had trouble learning to read my parents got me a tutor instead of waiting for the school to help me.

When do kids start to learn to read at school these days. Is it grade one?
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jennifer on July 12, 2010, 04:58:13 PM
I think there are going to be thunderstorms here anytime! :(
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 05:08:05 PM
MBarnum, if what I'm talking about is not ADD, then the media and everyone else should stop classifying it that way.  I suppose if this term had existed in the 1950s I would have had that label slapped on me, for many of the reasons listed in der Brucer's post.  But I was not the way kids are today - kids today are hyperkinetic and unable to focus, as Pogue says above.  If thirty seconds goes by without something bombarding them they get crazy, they go nuts, they cannot deal with it.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 05:10:38 PM
Just spent over two hours doing the editing road map on our next title.  I was going to put it all in film order, but curiously the cue number slates bear no relation to the way the music is used in the film - that makes doing this easily impossible.  So, I had the music stems transfered - that's the music as used in the film - and boy did the music editor screw around with this score.  Many pieces repeated, chopped up, re-ordered, and mangled.  I went my own damn way, which is going to make coming up with cue titles sort of hard, but I'll figure it out when I get the edited master here and can listen and watch the film.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 05:15:22 PM
DR DerBrucer has your grandlad caught up on his reading skills? 


Sadly no.

Things keep geting in the way; scouts, little league baseball, PTA - literacy seems way down the list. I did manage to get him to the library and we took out some books; Daughter is not real pleased, she doesn't want the responsibility of keeping track of the books and ensuring their return! When I suggested maybe we should set aside an hour on the weekend to be "family reading time" she thought I was nuts. Frankly, considering how much grief his older brother (who is a years-ahead-of-grade-level reader) gets for not reading what Mommy wants, when Mommy wants, I don't blame him for not wanting to learn. Older brother and Mommy play contant control/power games over book reading. She still doesn't get it that his obstinance is one the few ways he has of controlling her. Last weekend when I took the kids to the movies, he took the dreaded read-it-now book with him - he read it quietly in the car until we got to the theatre, read quietly all the way back home, and then stayed in the car to keep reading when we got to the RV.

der Brucer
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 05:19:47 PM

When do kids start to learn to read at school these days. Is it grade one?

They start in Pre- K!

der Brucer
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jrand70 on July 12, 2010, 05:22:41 PM
I got it for $1 today as well, DR MBARNUM but I was going to pass it along to you .... looking at it more closely it seems that Steve has more clothes on in this movie than usual.....not a good career move.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 05:25:09 PM
The news is full of the Mel Gibson story yet there is very little news regarding the fact that the Obama administration decided not to prosecute the Black Panther leader who wants to kill white babies.  Supposedly the case against him is excellent and there is enough to convict him.  Watch the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN67KJdd6Mw&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 05:26:12 PM
DR Jane re: Lisa Gardner.

I'm not even sure how many books there are in the series (i only saw 3 on amazon.com). i'm not sure if it is a series where they follow closely. I don't think so. I really wanted to read the book (the neighbor). I am going to the library again today. So i will see if her books are there so i can take a look.

My mom is usually the one who reads mysteries and she loves janet evanovich/stephanie plum.

It is funny that you say that your brother reads almost exclusively male authors. I am the opposite. I read mostly female authors although not really intentionally. I read a lot of young adult books and most of them are written by women.

That isn't the opposite.  Jane's brother is a man and he reads mostly male authors.  You are a female and you read mostly female authors.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 05:27:42 PM
DR Jane re: Lisa Gardner.

I'm not even sure how many books there are in the series (i only saw 3 on amazon.com). i'm not sure if it is a series where they follow closely. I don't think so. I really wanted to read the book (the neighbor). I am going to the library again today. So i will see if her books are there so i can take a look.

My mom is usually the one who reads mysteries and she loves janet evanovich/stephanie plum.

It is funny that you say that your brother reads almost exclusively male authors. I am the opposite. I read mostly female authors although not really intentionally. I read a lot of young adult books and most of them are written by women.

My brother's picks are intentional ;D  Knowing his tastes there really are very few women author's I would suggest to him.  Personally I think he is missing out on a lot of good books :)


Has he ever read J. A. Jance?
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 05:28:27 PM
DR DerBrucer has your grandlad caught up on his reading skills? 


Sadly no.

Things keep geting in the way; scouts, little league baseball, PTA - literacy seems way down the list. I did manage to get him to the library and we took out some books; Daughter is not real pleased, she doesn't want the responsibility of keeping track of the books and ensuring their return! When I suggested maybe we should set aside an hour on the weekend to be "family reading time" she thought I was nuts. Frankly, considering how much grief his older brother (who is a years-ahead-of-grade-level reader) gets for not reading what Mommy wants, when Mommy wants, I don't blame him for not wanting to learn. Older brother and Mommy play contant control/power games over book reading. She still doesn't get it that his obstinance is one the few ways he has of controlling her. Last weekend when I took the kids to the movies, he took the dreaded read-it-now book with him - he read it quietly in the car until we got to the theatre, read quietly all the way back home, and then stayed in the car to keep reading when we got to the RV.

der Brucer

I'm very sorry. Maybe Mommy would give the older grandlad a break on her books if he helped his younger brother practice.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 05:30:03 PM
DR Jane re: Lisa Gardner.

I'm not even sure how many books there are in the series (i only saw 3 on amazon.com). i'm not sure if it is a series where they follow closely. I don't think so. I really wanted to read the book (the neighbor). I am going to the library again today. So i will see if her books are there so i can take a look.

My mom is usually the one who reads mysteries and she loves janet evanovich/stephanie plum.

It is funny that you say that your brother reads almost exclusively male authors. I am the opposite. I read mostly female authors although not really intentionally. I read a lot of young adult books and most of them are written by women.

That isn't the opposite.  Jane's brother is a man and he reads mostly male authors.  You are a female and you read mostly female authors.

LOL.  I read a very good mix of both.  In fact I often don't notice the sex of the author when I initially pick up a book.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 05:30:17 PM
The news is full of the Mel Gibson story yet there is very little news regarding the fact that the Obama administration decided not to prosecute the Black Panther leader who wants to kill white babies. 

Change your channel.  FOX News has been keeping up a steady drum-beat day and night, on the New Black panther Party and the Admin's refusal to prosecute. Even discounting the FOX hyperbole, the Admistration comes off looking sad.

der Brucer

Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 05:32:44 PM
Greetings from Toyland! It's nice and cool here. I forgot one errand and I can do it tomorrow on my way to the NYU Dental Clinic. I've brought back to the office some reference books, including a bio of Lydia Lupokova, who was the featured ballet star of THE LADY OF THE SLIPPER in 1912. I'll hang out here for another 30 minutes or so before I walk down to 11th Street to meet Andy. I have to dig up some music here and take it home with me.

My adopted son Joshie can use some vibes; he went to Montreal and came back with a stomach disorder, although I doubt the two events are related. He has no health insurance until Encores! revs up in September so he could usethe vibes. Thanks!


Vibes for Josh!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 05:36:43 PM
DR Jane re: Lisa Gardner.

I'm not even sure how many books there are in the series (i only saw 3 on amazon.com). i'm not sure if it is a series where they follow closely. I don't think so. I really wanted to read the book (the neighbor). I am going to the library again today. So i will see if her books are there so i can take a look.

My mom is usually the one who reads mysteries and she loves janet evanovich/stephanie plum.

It is funny that you say that your brother reads almost exclusively male authors. I am the opposite. I read mostly female authors although not really intentionally. I read a lot of young adult books and most of them are written by women.

My brother's picks are intentional ;D  Knowing his tastes there really are very few women author's I would suggest to him.  Personally I think he is missing out on a lot of good books :)


Has he ever read J. A. Jance?

Not that I know of and I have only read one of her books.  In fact the other female writer I know of that he has read more than one book is J.K. Rowling.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 05:37:39 PM
The news is full of the Mel Gibson story yet there is very little news regarding the fact that the Obama administration decided not to prosecute the Black Panther leader who wants to kill white babies. 

Change your channel.  FOX News has been keeping up a steady drum-beat day and night, on the New Black panther Party and the Admin's refusal to prosecute. Even discounting the FOX hyperbole, the Admistration comes off looking sad.

der Brucer



Thanks.  I'm not watching.  I'm reading what pops up on the computer from Google and Yahoo.  Maybe if I go back more will be there now.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 05:41:16 PM
The news is full of the Mel Gibson story yet there is very little news regarding the fact that the Obama administration decided not to prosecute the Black Panther leader who wants to kill white babies.  Supposedly the case against him is excellent and there is enough to convict him.  Watch the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN67KJdd6Mw&feature=player_embedded

Unfortunately Fox seems to be the only network that is carrying the story.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 05:43:57 PM
It is unfortunate. 
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jennifer on July 12, 2010, 05:46:14 PM

When do kids start to learn to read at school these days. Is it grade one?

They start in Pre- K!

der Brucer

There is not really pre-K here. But my niece is going to kindergarten in september. And they have not learned how to read yet. Although i think she is ready to learn.

I'm not sure if that is something they do in kindergarten here.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jennifer on July 12, 2010, 05:49:15 PM
DR Jane re: Lisa Gardner.

I'm not even sure how many books there are in the series (i only saw 3 on amazon.com). i'm not sure if it is a series where they follow closely. I don't think so. I really wanted to read the book (the neighbor). I am going to the library again today. So i will see if her books are there so i can take a look.

My mom is usually the one who reads mysteries and she loves janet evanovich/stephanie plum.

It is funny that you say that your brother reads almost exclusively male authors. I am the opposite. I read mostly female authors although not really intentionally. I read a lot of young adult books and most of them are written by women.

That isn't the opposite.  Jane's brother is a man and he reads mostly male authors.  You are a female and you read mostly female authors.

Well I guess it's not the opposite if you believe that male writers write for a male audience and female writers write for women.  I never really thought that way.  I just gravitate more towards the books written by women. But not because they are written by women.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 05:50:36 PM
Maybe Mommy would give the older grandlad a break on her books if he helped his younger brother practice.
Oh dear, no. Younger Lad must "learn" to read - just sitting with him and helping him whip through the material will never do!

der Brucer

The poor lad has always been mildly dyslexic and has survived with a very clever set of coping skills. At this juncture, I'm all for enhancing his "coping skills" until he gets up to grade level however he can. You would not believe the "correct way of learning to read" to which  these poor kids are being subjected - no more simple phonics. I couldn't figure out how do do his reading exercises that required word disassembly.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 05:56:50 PM
If something isn't working than try a new way.  Obviously you know this.  If he is mildly dyslexic I'm surprised his parents haven't been instructed on ways to help him.  Again I'm sorry for him and know how frustrating this is for you.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 05:57:03 PM
- reading takes patience and understanding - two qualities that the two current generations lack in spades. 

Many also lack the positive example of parents, at home, reading for pleasure. The kids see reading as a necessary evil to survive Grades 3-12.

der Brucer

It is very strange, but I hated to read when I was in school; unless it was a subject that interested me.  I probably read A NIGHT TO REMEMBER three to four times while in junior high and high school, but basically faked my way through required book reports.  I remember being forced to read HIROSHIMA in 9th Grade, and I was blown away how good it was.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
Sorry, I like handwriting.  Cursive, as you call it.  I like printing, too, but cursive is a wonderful thing and now it's going to go the way of the dodo bird.  And that is not a good thing, if you ask me.  So, schools are all about these big tests now?  They used to be about learning and teaching and a variety of subjects.  Now it's all about some school district tests?  Maybe that's why the youth of today is so illiterate.

A dodo bird probably has better handwriting than I.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ginny on July 12, 2010, 06:03:18 PM
Vibes for DR Elmore's friend Josh!  Hope you don't come down with something after your trip to exotic Canton!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Ginny on July 12, 2010, 06:04:16 PM
DR Thom - thank you so much for the good report about DIA and the Hilberry!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 06:04:37 PM
That's a big chimney DR DRUXY!

size queen!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 06:07:03 PM
I think I am grumpy today.

I was about to tell you the same thing!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 06:34:09 PM
I am enjoying tonight's THE CLOSER episode very much. I also saw a rerun of the Beau Bridges episode I missed last season.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 06:48:16 PM
In 1955, my parents separated, and my mom, my sister, and I moved to Tacoma.  Since my mom had been hired to teach music at Mason Junior High, and when we first moved there she had no car; we moved into the Proctor District where the school was locacted.  We moved into a house that had been divided into three apartments.  There were two apartments upstairs, and we had the downstairs of the house.  I have such wonderful memories of that house / apartment.  We lived there for maybe only five years, but most of my favorite childhood memories are of that house.  It was dirrectly across the street from the grade school I attended, and right next door to the public library.


(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u271/actr2000/Volume2/Wheelock_McCormick.jpg)

The building on the right is the old public library and the building on the left (the new library) is where our house / apartment stood.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 06:53:58 PM
Fortunately for me, the Proctor District still exists today, and in a lot of ways is unchanged from my childhood neighborhood.  Two blocks from our house was a very nice restaurant called Knapp's.  They homemade all of their pies and cakes and they were famous for their complete dinners that started with a shrimp cocktail and ended with the homemade dessert.  Their roast turkey dinner was actually carved from whole turkey and stuffing from inside the bird.  Knapp's is still there and basically is the same restaurant that it was in the Fifties; but they no longer make there own desserts.

(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u271/actr2000/Volume2/Knapps.jpg)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 07:01:11 PM
Most Saturday afternoons I spent at The Proctor Theater (always a double feature).  When I got into junior high, my friends and I started going to The Proctor on Friday nights.  We didn't care what moveis were being shown, we just went.  The Proctor was a second run theater, but I loved that place.  It has since changed its name back to the original Blue Mouse Theater, but other than that it is unchanged.

(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u271/actr2000/Volume2/bluemouse_0001.jpg)

And BK, you will notice they still have good taste in films.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 07:08:51 PM
There was a family restaurant in Michigan called Bill Knapp's.  If you ate there on your birthday they gave you a cake. :)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 07:08:57 PM
DR Jane re: Lisa Gardner.

I'm not even sure how many books there are in the series (i only saw 3 on amazon.com). i'm not sure if it is a series where they follow closely. I don't think so. I really wanted to read the book (the neighbor). I am going to the library again today. So i will see if her books are there so i can take a look.

My mom is usually the one who reads mysteries and she loves janet evanovich/stephanie plum.

It is funny that you say that your brother reads almost exclusively male authors. I am the opposite. I read mostly female authors although not really intentionally. I read a lot of young adult books and most of them are written by women.

My brother's picks are intentional ;D  Knowing his tastes there really are very few women author's I would suggest to him.  Personally I think he is missing out on a lot of good books :)


Has he ever read J. A. Jance?

Not that I know of and I have only read one of her books.  In fact the other female writer I know of that he has read more than one book is J.K. Rowling.

One series of her books is the Beaumont series.  He is a detective living in Seattle.  The style she uses in those books is impressively male.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: TCB on July 12, 2010, 07:11:29 PM
DR Jane re: Lisa Gardner.

I'm not even sure how many books there are in the series (i only saw 3 on amazon.com). i'm not sure if it is a series where they follow closely. I don't think so. I really wanted to read the book (the neighbor). I am going to the library again today. So i will see if her books are there so i can take a look.

My mom is usually the one who reads mysteries and she loves janet evanovich/stephanie plum.

It is funny that you say that your brother reads almost exclusively male authors. I am the opposite. I read mostly female authors although not really intentionally. I read a lot of young adult books and most of them are written by women.

That isn't the opposite.  Jane's brother is a man and he reads mostly male authors.  You are a female and you read mostly female authors.

Well I guess it's not the opposite if you believe that male writers write for a male audience and female writers write for women.  I never really thought that way.  I just gravitate more towards the books written by women. But not because they are written by women.

   :-X 
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Jane on July 12, 2010, 07:26:42 PM
DR Jane re: Lisa Gardner.

I'm not even sure how many books there are in the series (i only saw 3 on amazon.com). i'm not sure if it is a series where they follow closely. I don't think so. I really wanted to read the book (the neighbor). I am going to the library again today. So i will see if her books are there so i can take a look.

My mom is usually the one who reads mysteries and she loves janet evanovich/stephanie plum.

It is funny that you say that your brother reads almost exclusively male authors. I am the opposite. I read mostly female authors although not really intentionally. I read a lot of young adult books and most of them are written by women.

My brother's picks are intentional ;D  Knowing his tastes there really are very few women author's I would suggest to him.  Personally I think he is missing out on a lot of good books :)


Has he ever read J. A. Jance?

Not that I know of and I have only read one of her books.  In fact the other female writer I know of that he has read more than one book is J.K. Rowling.

One series of her books is the Beaumont series.  He is a detective living in Seattle.  The style she uses in those books is impressively male.

I read THE HOUR OF HUNTER which I believe is part of that series.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Druxy on July 12, 2010, 07:36:52 PM
THE CLOSER had a good episode tonight.
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Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 07:47:01 PM
The TNT ads made RIZZOLI & ISLES look like a comedy-thriller. This episode is creepy. Plain creepy!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: JMK on July 12, 2010, 07:57:12 PM
Happy "official" birthday, Cilla!  :)

TOD:  I don't really remember much about the grand old theaters in SLC, only that they were there and my much older sister used to regularly drag me, pretty much still a toddler, to see such fare as West Side Story and Sound of Music.  My first real memories are of the John Danz Theater in Bellevue, which was probably circa late 1950's or early 1960's, and some of the grand old dames that still existed in downtown Seattle in the late 1960's and early 1970's. when I saw such fare as the reissue of GWTW and SCROOGE.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 08:02:20 PM
Oh, my Lord, how did I miss Cilla's birthday??? I had a note next to me and everything - that's what happens when you get to the notes late.  I'm adding the birthday to the notes, and a million apologies to Cilla. 
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 08:07:01 PM
Birthday wishes are now in the notes!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: MBarnum on July 12, 2010, 08:19:27 PM
I got it for $1 today as well, DR MBARNUM but I was going to pass it along to you .... looking at it more closely it seems that Steve has more clothes on in this movie than usual.....not a good career move.

That is why I have not bothered to watch it yet. I do have my standards, you know!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: elmore3003 on July 12, 2010, 08:26:49 PM
I got it for $1 today as well, DR MBARNUM but I was going to pass it along to you .... looking at it more closely it seems that Steve has more clothes on in this movie than usual.....not a good career move.

That is why I have not bothered to watch it yet. I do have my standards, you know!
I got it for $1 today as well, DR MBARNUM but I was going to pass it along to you .... looking at it more closely it seems that Steve has more clothes on in this movie than usual.....not a good career move.

That is why I have not bothered to watch it yet. I do have my standards, you know!

They're so low, I guess none of us can see they're only slightly above floor level.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Edisaurus on July 12, 2010, 08:32:46 PM
I have been told that I have to understand how young people are today. Like, they make a commitment and then don't show up. I have to understand how young people are.

That's not just limited to young people...
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Laura on July 12, 2010, 08:33:38 PM
My friend from church came over today and played with kittens. They did not run or hide. Progress.
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Edisaurus on July 12, 2010, 08:39:57 PM
My grand-niece is learning cursive in her first grade class, so I can't figure out where you are finding this information that cursive is no longer taught.

I rarely write in cursive, anymore. I don't know why. Frankly, I don't see why it should even matter. My only concern would be whether I could read someone's writing or not.

Is it because crayon looks better in print than cursive?

Oy! Mel Gibson is behaving like an asshole again. This man is truly pathetic.

Have you heard those phone calls? Scary!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: PennyO on July 12, 2010, 08:41:39 PM
Happy happy happy birthday, dear cillaliz!!! Health, joy, and prosperity to you!!!

TOD - the pony rides and kiddyland... the Kiru restaurant... what was the name of that pink ice cream store on Beverly Drive?? the field next to the liquor store where my mom used to send us kids off with $20 to get her a carton of cigarettes... the guy who had the bar on Robertson Blvd, who used to raise dachshunds in his back yard... the guy on Preuss Rd who had an actual private zoo on his property, behind the big hedges, with monkeys and a donkey, and other animals - right there on the next block from us, across Sawyer... Miceli's Pizza on La Cienega... Wan Q and Hoi Ping on Pico... the Stadium Theater, that we could walk to, and my mom got rid of us for the length of 2 movies and 5 cartoons and a yo-yo contest on Saturdays, for a total of $2 - a quarter apiece to get in, and a quarter apiece for enough popcorn and candy to keep us throwing up long after bedtime... still, obviously worth it to her...
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: PennyO on July 12, 2010, 08:43:15 PM
No, sorry - it was $2.00 for that carton of cigs... this was back in the '50's...
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: John G. on July 12, 2010, 08:43:40 PM
Happy, happy, Cillaliz!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: George on July 12, 2010, 08:43:56 PM
Hi, Penny! 
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 08:44:27 PM
Happy "official" birthday, Cilla!  :)

TOD:  I don't really remember much about the grand old theaters in SLC, only that they were there and my much older sister used to regularly drag me, pretty much still a toddler, to see such fare as West Side Story and Sound of Music.  My first real memories are of the John Danz Theater in Bellevue, which was probably circa late 1950's or early 1960's, and some of the grand old dames that still existed in downtown Seattle in the late 1960's and early 1970's. when I saw such fare as the reissue of GWTW and SCROOGE.

Thanks JMK!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: PennyO on July 12, 2010, 08:45:02 PM
Ten cigarettes to a pack, was it?? that meant it only cost two cents apiece for those cancer sticks that ultimately killed her. Took awhile, but it was way cheaper to off yourself in those days!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 08:46:55 PM
Oh, my Lord, how did I miss Cilla's birthday??? I had a note next to me and everything - that's what happens when you get to the notes late.  I'm adding the birthday to the notes, and a million apologies to Cilla. 

Well, your mind was back in nostalgia land and since I wasn't even born then....all is forgiven ;)
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Laura on July 12, 2010, 08:47:07 PM
Hi Penny!
Title: Re: LA - THE CITY THAT WAS
Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 08:47:58 PM
Happy happy happy birthday, dear cillaliz!!! Health, joy, and prosperity to you!!!

TOD - the pony rides and kiddyland... the Kiru restaurant... what was the name of that pink ice cream store on Beverly Drive?? the field next to the liquor store where my mom used to send us kids off with $20 to get her a carton of cigarettes... the guy who had the bar on Robertson Blvd, who used to raise dachshunds in his back yard... the guy on Preuss Rd who had an actual private zoo on his property, behind the big hedges, with monkeys and a donkey, and other animals - right there on the next block from us, across Sawyer... Miceli's Pizza on La Cienega... Wan Q and Hoi Ping on Pico... the Stadium Theater, that we could walk to, and my mom got rid of us for the length of 2 movies and 5 cartoons and a yo-yo contest on Saturdays, for a total of $2 - a quarter apiece to get in, and a quarter apiece for enough popcorn and candy to keep us throwing up long after bedtime... still, obviously worth it to her...

Thanks Penny O!!!
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Post by: Edisaurus on July 12, 2010, 08:48:01 PM
DR DerBrucer has your grandlad caught up on his reading skills? 

I am very grateful that when I had trouble learning to read my parents got me a tutor instead of waiting for the school to help me.

I didn't have a problem reading, but everything I wrote was backwards (mirror writing). My teacher held my papers up to the light and graded them. I usually got perfect scores, but all completely backwards. (Something more common with us lefties.)

My mom said "This isn't right"!  Dyslexia wasn't a household word back then. My teacher told my mom I would outgrow it.

My mom taught me how to write correctly.
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Post by: PennyO on July 12, 2010, 08:48:50 PM
Before the 10 was built, it seemed like it took all day for my mom to drive down to the beach - four kids and towels and folding beach chairs and a big tank of lemonade and bags of sandwiches and plastic beach toys... oy, the preparation! Then the LONG drive to the beach... down Pico or Olympic all the way to the end. Then shlepping all the stuff down the sand. Worse coming back up, sunburned and full of sand.
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 08:49:01 PM
Oh, my Lord, how did I miss Cilla's birthday??? I had a note next to me and everything - that's what happens when you get to the notes late.  I'm adding the birthday to the notes, and a million apologies to Cilla. 

Well, your mind was back in nostalgia land and since I wasn't even born then....all is forgiven ;)

And thanks for the birthday wishes.
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Post by: John G. on July 12, 2010, 08:49:23 PM
Great photos today, all.
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Post by: Edisaurus on July 12, 2010, 08:50:38 PM
I am enjoying tonight's THE CLOSER episode very much. I also saw a rerun of the Beau Bridges episode I missed last season.

Beau Bridges is nominated for an EMMY for that performance.
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 08:51:48 PM
Yes there have been great photos today...thanks for sharing all of them
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Post by: PennyO on July 12, 2010, 08:51:58 PM
Hiya, Laura! Hi, Cil!!

Oh - hey - just got word: the first grant ap I wrote for my theater, back in December, for LA County Arts Commission funding -- they're giving us $16.400. My colleagues are smooching my cellulite-embroidered ass, and rejoicing as you might guess. Got five grant ap's out, another 3 in the hopper for August/Sept... we just may make it!!!
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Post by: Edisaurus on July 12, 2010, 08:52:04 PM
Sleeeeepy....Nytol!
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Post by: PennyO on July 12, 2010, 08:53:09 PM
Georgie!!! Hiya!!!
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Post by: PennyO on July 12, 2010, 08:54:08 PM
g'nite, Edi!
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Post by: John G. on July 12, 2010, 08:57:07 PM
I'm late getting to the site today, but I had to make mention of the Vogue in Louisville, which is no longer a movie theater, as you can see below. It was about 1 mile from my house, and when I was about 14 or 15, I started walking there sometimes two or three times a week. It had become a revival house in the days before video, and I saw everything from "Son of the Sheik" and "The Jazz Singer" to a dozen Ingmar Bergman movies to an MGM musical collection. Of course, "Rocky Horror" played at midnight on Fridays and Saturdays and I snuck in long before I was 17. It was a great home away from home.

(http://www.louisvilleartdeco.com/architecture/Vogue/S_Vogue2008-01.JPG)
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Post by: PennyO on July 12, 2010, 08:57:09 PM
Jeez, I just missed my deadline for an article I'm writing for Bunker Hill Mag -- how'd that happen??? too much to do with relocating my cousin AGAIN - yes, I flew down to LA and have been house hunting with her, and over to the regional center for disabled adults, blahblahblah... the article has been 'nearly finished' for three days - yipes... oh, well, tomorrow is another day...
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Post by: John G. on July 12, 2010, 08:57:47 PM
And with that, I say good night to all.
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Post by: George on July 12, 2010, 08:58:06 PM
Hiya, Laura! Hi, Cil!!

Oh - hey - just got word: the first grant ap I wrote for my theater, back in December, for LA County Arts Commission funding -- they're giving us $16.400. My colleagues are smooching my cellulite-embroidered ass, and rejoicing as you might guess. Got five grant ap's out, another 3 in the hopper for August/Sept... we just may make it!!!

CONGRATS, PENNY!!
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Post by: PennyO on July 12, 2010, 08:59:43 PM
Tired... gonna go to bed. Off to Lancaster tomorrow (why, you ask?? why???) to see the 750 seat theater. Got dates in Feb 2011 = should at least get a gander, no?

Off to beddie bye. (my house up north is rubbled, being de rotted and repaired, cuz I'm finally sellin' it and movin' my stuff down to LA...

nitey nite, kidz.
Laters, skaters.
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Post by: PennyO on July 12, 2010, 09:00:19 PM
Thanks, Georgie! and good night, sweet prince!
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Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 09:01:31 PM
PennyO - Wil Wright's.
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Post by: Laura on July 12, 2010, 09:02:07 PM
Great news about the grant, Penny!
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Post by: George on July 12, 2010, 09:03:42 PM
Sorry, I like handwriting.  Cursive, as you call it.  I like printing, too, but cursive is a wonderful thing and now it's going to go the way of the dodo bird.  And that is not a good thing, if you ask me.  So, schools are all about these big tests now?  They used to be about learning and teaching and a variety of subjects.  Now it's all about some school district tests?  Maybe that's why the youth of today is so illiterate.

A dodo bird probably has better handwriting than I.

I had such bad penmenship in second grade that as punishment, my teacher put me in the big refrigerator box that was standing at the back of the room (her version of a time-out, I guess).  It was completely open in the back and there was a desk in there, but you couldn't see anything, except for the inside of the box.  My parents were so mad that they came down to the school and "had a talk" with my teacher.  I never had to go in the refrigerator box again...but it didn't help with my penmenship. ::) It can still be pretty bad.

;)
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Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 09:03:44 PM
Back from a jog.  As I was heading home I saw a big man with a bigger dog.  He did what he should have done and brought the dog around to the opposite side away from me.  However, the dog went for me anyway - and I mean WENT for me - really scary.  He lunged at me and I have no idea if his teeth were bared and was going to bite, but I somehow armed him in the head so his mouth never got near me.  His owner was so mortified and smacked that dog so hard - I hope the dog learned something, or this man better learn how to operate a leash better or put a cone on him.  My arm bone is a little sore right now.
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:04:29 PM
Congrats on the grant, Penny
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Post by: George on July 12, 2010, 09:05:20 PM
And on that note (F#), I'm off.

Until later!
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Post by: Laura on July 12, 2010, 09:05:34 PM
Please don't be cranky, MBarnum. Or else you might need some therapy, like Barnum:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4141/4789201228_fe4cfb3fd1.jpg)
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Post by: Laura on July 12, 2010, 09:07:01 PM
Very scary, BK!

I am not afraid of dogs, but there have been some very bad dogs that have frightened me.
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:08:34 PM
I agree very scary BK/
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Post by: Laura on July 12, 2010, 09:11:11 PM
What kind of cake and ice cream today, Cillaliz?
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:15:06 PM
Breakfast was Italian Cream..

http://pattycakecakes.com/Italian%20Cream%20Cake.JPG (http://pattycakecakes.com/Italian%20Cream%20Cake.JPG) :)
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:17:43 PM
Lunch was a brownie with chocolate/vanilla swirl ice cream  :D
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:17:58 PM
And dinner was chocolte with butter cream frosting ;D
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:20:44 PM
Well....and evening snack was some of the left over chocolate with butter cream frosting   8)
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:21:02 PM
I guess you could say I had cake
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:21:58 PM
BK, I think you need chocolate cake and ice cream to make you feel better after such a scare
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Post by: Sam on July 12, 2010, 09:23:24 PM
Happy Birthday Cillaliz   8) 8)
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:24:46 PM
Thanks Sam!
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Post by: Sam on July 12, 2010, 09:24:58 PM
Stu Phillips    Three Scores.

Loved it, especially  The Meal.

Thanks again bk.
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Post by: Sam on July 12, 2010, 09:26:44 PM
Tuesday wonderful vibes for everyone.

 ;D
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Post by: Laura on July 12, 2010, 09:27:48 PM
Sounds like a good birthday, Cillaliz.
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Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 09:27:57 PM
Oh, I'm glad someone listened to their Stu Phillips CD - I really adore it.  I had a Big Hunk for my sweet, although had I read the cake posts I would have gone for a piece of cake.
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Post by: Sam on July 12, 2010, 09:28:25 PM
I'm tired, long day.

Night.

All this talk of ice cream and there is none in the house.  :'(
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Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 09:28:59 PM
If he is mildly dyslexic I'm surprised his parents haven't been instructed on ways to help him. 
Help, my foot, the school system says there is no problem! He scored well on the State Standardized assessment Tests (his Mother has accused his teacher of helping him cheat) and he reads better than most of his peers (the majority of whom read well below grade level).

der Brucer
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Post by: Sam on July 12, 2010, 09:30:18 PM
 ;)
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Post by: Sam on July 12, 2010, 09:31:59 PM
GREAT PICTURES.
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:38:01 PM
Sounds like a good birthday, Cillaliz.

It was, actually.  I was kind of moody for a while.  I told the woman sitting next to me tonight that I was a bit draggy and I thought it was the weather. .  She said, "Oh, like your birthday doesn't have anything to do with that...you'll be fine tomorrow"  It made me laugh.  It's all been better since then.
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:39:32 PM
And here's post 300
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:39:51 PM
Now that's a Cilla Day celebration
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Post by: DERBRUCER on July 12, 2010, 09:42:24 PM
Now that's a Cilla Day celebration

And only 365 days until the next one!

der Brucer
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Post by: Cillaliz on July 12, 2010, 09:47:20 PM
And on that note...I think I'll get some sleep.  Night everyone, thanks for helping to make this a great day
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Post by: bk on July 12, 2010, 10:28:32 PM
300 posts - I hereby suggest that every day is a Cilla Day.