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Title: THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 12:05:20 AM
Well, you've read the notes, you've dreamed the impossible dream, you've run where the brave dare not go, you know what I'M talkin' about, so let's get some postin' goin' on, shall we?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Ann on May 04, 2004, 12:30:05 AM
First post!  First post!  Is it really mine??
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Ann on May 04, 2004, 12:31:12 AM
But shame on me...I posted without reading the notes.  I shall remedy that post-haste.  Or haste-post, I suppose, since I'm doing everything else backwards...
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Ann on May 04, 2004, 12:35:29 AM
Wow, what an interesting topic...
I'll have to give it some thought, though.  It's a question that warrants a clear mind to answer, and at the moment I'm too tired to think about anything clearly.  

Goodnight :)
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Tomovoz on May 04, 2004, 12:37:02 AM
Defining "love". How to explain colour to a blind person?
We know when we feel it, know when it goes but can we really explain to someone else. I suspect it is different for each of us.
Despite the hurt that it often can bring - I would not be the person I am without having loved and been loved. We all love the feeling of being loved but you can't ask for it or demand or expect it. It has to just happen. I guess it is altruistic when we love. We may hope for it to be returned but we don't give love in the expectation of something in return. We can't plan to love. Thus the motive behind love must be pure.
Even the "love" expressed in religions is I expect given in the hope of a future life. (Cynical!).
I don't think we can fall in love too easily. That I think would be more akin to infatuation and sexual desire.
It is a pity we use the word "love" so often. Loving a film, a song, a book or certain foods surely give the word a different meaning.
I think I need to check with Fosca and Georgio!
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 12:45:46 AM
Just the type of post I was hoping for, tomovoz.  I think "love" is probably the most misunderstood and abused word in the English language.  As I said in the notes, how can two people fall in LOVE and then not be in love a few weeks later, or a few months later, or a few years later?  I mean, if LOVE means what it's supposed to mean, how can people love someone one minute and not love them the next minute?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Tomovoz on May 04, 2004, 01:38:43 AM
Of course love might just mean "never having to say you're sorry".
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 03:00:52 AM
Oh my.  I shall have to ponder this subject.  It is much written about, much talked about....and much used as motivation for stage, film, and television....but what is it?

I think that we as human beings learn about love from our families.  I think that we model ourselves on them for good or ill.

And I think we really fall in the "love" that is written and sung about when another person (outside our family) becomes as important and vital to our existence as we our to ourselves.  And if that feeling is mutual, those are two of the luckiest people in the world....they say.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: td on May 04, 2004, 05:55:41 AM
Of course love might just mean "never having to say you're sorry".
That's about the stupidest thing I ever heard. . .

Quick! What movie is that from?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on May 04, 2004, 06:04:44 AM
That's about the stupidest thing I ever heard. . .

Quick! What movie is that from?

Quick enough?
One of my favorites - What's Up Doc.

Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: BEEKAY on May 04, 2004, 06:04:52 AM
I think that "the greatest thing you will ever learn is just to love, and be loved in return." Thanks to Moulin Rouge. One of the biggest lessons in my  life has been learning to love myself, and then learning to accept that others can love me too.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: td on May 04, 2004, 06:06:38 AM
"Love" between two people is completely and totally inexplicable, it is not a noun which can be defined by the brain, but by our own ego.  Now, do not think of ego as a slam, for it is the part of us which makes us who we are, just as who we love may help define our lives.
I will say that I think many writers, especially screen writers cheat by having characters say the words, "I love you;" it would be far more interesting to be shown how the characters perceive love, what being in love means to them and to the screenwriter.  Did Shakespeare have Romeo and Juliet say "I love you?"  No, rather he has that incredible balcony scene!  I think that Juliet's belief in love is best expressed earlier in the scene with her mother and the nurse.  When approached with Paris' proposal, Juliet's response is, "I'll look to like, if looking liking move."
But enough of dead white playwrights.
I know "love" when the look in the eyes says more than any word could relate.  The look has an effect on every fiber in the body, not necessarily a tingle, but something which the ego heart recognizes as a truly special feeling.

Is "Te adoro, Anton" the only time that WEST SIDE STORY uses the words, albeit in a foreign language, "I love you?"
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: BEEKAY on May 04, 2004, 06:07:24 AM
Oh my, was that a bit too deep and meaningful? Still looking at the postings and trying to pick up on protocols, expectations etc. Please excuse inadvertant breaches of the above.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: td on May 04, 2004, 06:07:46 AM
Quick enough?
One of my favorites - What's Up Doc.



Quick enough for me as the film is also one of my favorites.
You deserve a prize, but, alas, I have none to give.  :(
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: td on May 04, 2004, 06:08:34 AM
Oh my, was that a bit too deep and meaningful? Still looking at the postings and trying to pick up on protocols, expectations etc. Please excuse inadvertant breaches of the above.

I like posts which are fraught with meaning.  
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Stuart on May 04, 2004, 06:19:58 AM
Love.  What a TOD!  So many meanings; so many feelings.

To me, love is feeling that person is a part of you.  Truly a part of you.  Almost a physical part of you, large or small.  And as we know, sometimes parts of you can require amputation.  That would be the definition of falling out of love.

But I have come to know that there is no greater love, perhaps, than when I come home and am changing out of my work duds and and all 60 pounds of little Miss Morgan LeFay Brittany Fairchild (lab/shepherd mix) stands on our bed on her hinds with her front paws on my shoulders (dog-hug) and kisses me to pieces.  That is also love.  And my dear partner is usually grateful that I have kissed him "good evening" first.  

Or when little 2-year old nephew Kyle takes my hand on a walk.  That is also love.  And safety.  For both of us, I think.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on May 04, 2004, 06:21:44 AM
Sheldon Harnick (The Apple Tree) expressed it well. And I'm not hedging on this excellent TOD ... just pondering.


What makes me love him?
It's not his singing,
I've heard his singing,
It sours the milk
And yet, it's gotten to the point
Where I prefer that kind of milk.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 06:57:34 AM
I think today's topic is very interesting, especially the part about people falling out of love so easily.

I think most people only know the giddy feeling when they fall in love.  But they don't realize the effort it takes to make a relationship work.  Or that love isn't just the giddiness.

I also believe that sometimes people change.  For instance a girl getting married at 18 might not realize what she wants out of life.  

I think truly falling in love, means being there for another person, through good times and bad.  But it also means putting your heart on the line.  And I think you know it when you feel it, because you don't ever want to be without that other person in your life.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 07:01:52 AM
DR Panni: I'm assuming you found the "insert image" icon (since you posted a gif pic).  It's the picture frame one (and you can put your cursor over any icon to see what it is called).
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: MBarnum on May 04, 2004, 07:26:36 AM
Wow, today's topic is too deep for me to contemplate this early in the morning without coffee.

I do think that often people confuse love with infatuation, and when that infatuation wears out then what do you have...either love or not love.

There, how is that.

I do know that I love Freddy! And I love all you wonderful, wonderful people out there in HHW...or is it infatuation?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: William F. Orr on May 04, 2004, 07:33:58 AM
Of course love might just mean "never having to say you're sorry".

Well, after 23 years of marriage (a prospect Oliver Barrett IV never had to deal with due to the untimely death of Jenny Cavalleri) I can truly say that love means always having to say you're sorry.

On the other hand, as some wag put it upon the release of said film, "Love means never having to say you're horny."

Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: William E. Lurie on May 04, 2004, 07:45:09 AM
Actually, Nat "King" Cole discovered "The greatest gift.. is to love and be love in return" back when "Moulon Rouge" was still a film with Jose Ferrer walking on his knees.

For the best definition of "love", see Leonard Sillman's NEW FACES OF 1952... "Love is a Simple Thing".

Last night was the Town Hall concert "Brooklyn to Hollywood".  This featured songs from movies about Brooklyn, written for movies by Brooklyn songwritters, or sung in movies by performers from Brooklyn.  While we really didn't need 4 songs Babs sang, when one of them is "Don't Rain On My Parade" done by Alix Korey that's fine with me.  Other performers ranged from Christine Pedi to Stephen Bogardus to Sharon McKnight.  Only Mark Nadler disappointed.  Calm him down and he would probably be very good, but he was just so manic that he ruined several good songs (note: the audience loved him - mine is a minority opinion).  However the highlight of the evening was the hostess: Tovah Feldshu.  Who thought she could be such a great stand up comic.  Of course her biggest laugh was unintentional (or was it?) when she accidentaly mentioned Betty Condom.  

Tonight: RAISIN IN THE SUN.  Unlike most of the audience though, I am not going because of Sean John P Diddy Puff Daddy Combs.  I am going in spite of him.  My one fear is that knowing Audra's attendance problems she might take the night off (she's missing over a week later this month to sing with the NYY Philharmonic), as she and Phylicia Allen Ayres Rashad are the main reasons I am going (other than the fact that the play itself is a classic).
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: JoseSPiano on May 04, 2004, 07:50:12 AM
Good Morning!

What a Topic of the Day!

Love is truly one of those things that you truly "feel" when you lose it.  Unfortunately, it can be one of those things that you get so used to that you could end up taking it for granted.  Of course, True Love would never fall into such a trap.  It's us humans that fall into that trap.

For myself, Love is having a deep connection with someone.  Kind of a sixth sense.  The type of relationship where more can be said with just a hug, a raised eyebrow, a wink or a hand in a hand than with any amount of words.  It can be very quiet and intense, or energetic and without bounds.

With my family, it's knowing that they will always be there for me - and that, hopefully, I will be there for them too.  And it's getting past that sense of "familial obligation" - which is much harder said than done.  -Done than said?  -You know what I mean.

With my friends, it's a feeling of happiness knowing that they're a part of my life - and I'm a part of theirs.  Sharing.

With that someone special, well, it's all of the above plus all that intangible stuff that poets and philosophers have been writing about for years. Years!  -And, thankfully, the one true love of my life (so far), is still someone I can comfortable with - even though we may be "out of love" right now.  Well, more accurately, we're just out of the "relationship", but we will always love each other.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: William F. Orr on May 04, 2004, 07:51:21 AM
"Is "Te adoro, Anton" the only time that WEST SIDE STORY uses the words, albeit in a foreign language, "I love you?"
I must say, that I was rather shocked when I first heard the score to Passion that Sondheim allowed himself to use the word "love" so often.  For years he has produced some of the most moving songs on the subject without ever using the L word.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: William F. Orr on May 04, 2004, 07:51:44 AM
...or rarely.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Matt H. on May 04, 2004, 07:52:42 AM
On the topic of love, I'd use another song as reference: "Love" from ZIEGFELD FOLLIES. That wonderful, dynamic song describes the perplexities of love beautifully, but as a person who has fallen victim to someone falling out of love with me while I was still in love with him, well, I have nothing else to say about it.

Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: JoseSPiano on May 04, 2004, 07:56:48 AM
Good Morning!

-I didn't want to muddle up my "love post" with my own personal stuff this morning, so...

Stomach is definitely not feeling "normal" this morning.  It's not really sour.  It's not really achy.  It's just not feeling "right".  Again, it's probably the meds... ugh.

But what a nice sunny morning it is here in Richmond!

Well, I slept in - again - of course, I didn't really get to bed until around 2:00am, so... I did get eight hours of sleep at least.  And now I must start getting ready to head back up to Arlington.  I want to leave a little earlier than usual so I can take a nice nap before heading into the show tonight.

-Oh, and I also got two e-mails this morning - unfortunately, they both affect my potential summers plans... ah, well...  I had gone from Plan A to Plan B... and Plan A was actually starting to look more attractive again, so...  We shall see.

Off I go!... Laters...
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Matt H. on May 04, 2004, 08:04:53 AM
I just got back from Amazon.com and saw that Sondheim's BOUNCE is now available. I had no idea it was now in release. Of course, the list price is $19.98! (slightly lower Amazon price but still too high for a single CD). We do pay a premium price for cast albums of unsuccessful shows, don't we?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Matt H. on May 04, 2004, 08:09:49 AM
I've also been reading reviews around the internet this morning that are lamenting the condition of A NIGHT AT THE OPERA in the new Marx Bros. Boxed set from Warners. Supposedly, Warners has used a very dirty and marred print to do the transfer of the gem of this particular collection. How weird when their transfers have usually been so impeccable. I must drag out my old commercial videotape of it and see if it's in terrible shape as well.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: PennyO on May 04, 2004, 08:25:01 AM
Hello, dear Family of Choice...

In a few minutes I hit the road again to head north, stopping tonight with DR Jane and her menagerie -- no, I guess Keith is not quite "menagerie" - although in French "menage" means, um, sort of, oh, "household" - so yup, Keith IS part of that menagerie... cripes, Penny, pack yer stuff and MOVE ON!

Okay, so catch y'all when I get back to Seattle. Bye. I'll ponder "love" all the way up. I think it isn't so much something we DO as something we ARE... or something.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 08:30:00 AM
Interesting topic. Devilled clams might be easier to deal with, but Iíll give it a shotÖ
Iíve said ďI love youĒ Ė in the romantic sense - very few times in my life. For me thatís HUGE Ė to feel it, to say it. (My daughter and I say ďI love youĒ each time we end a phone conversation, but that, of course, is a very different kind of love.)
I certainly canít explain being in love. Why it happens, why it happens with one particular (or peculiar) person. That be a mystery to me, folks.
I know what being in love ISNíT. Itís not ďYou complete me.Ē
Itís NOT...
A feeling deep in your soul
Says you were half,
Now you're whole.

If youíre using another person to fill in the missing part of the jigsaw puzzle thatís you Ė it ain't gonna work. I think that loving someone means that they become a part of you Ė of the person you already are. You feel their joys, their sorrows, their ďbeingĒ as you feel your own. Not that you lose yourself in them Ė quite the opposite actually Ė you become bigger, more open. I donít like the clichť, but itís true Ė you open your heart. And thatís a hard thing to do. But once you do, it's a wonderful feeling. (This description takes for granted, of course, that the love is returned.)

As for falling out of loveÖ Yes, it happens. People change. Life sometimes takes strange turns. If it happens overnight, however, IMHO it wasnít really love. (Unless itís something cataclysmic Ė like your lover shot you in the thigh. That might end that warm fuzzy feeling real fast.)

Iíll talk about friendship later. And more about romantic love later. I must dry my hair, have breakfast and get ready for a meeting.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Noel on May 04, 2004, 09:04:01 AM
It isn't that love means never having to say you're sorry.  I apologize, constantly, to all sorts of people, regardless of my regard for them (?).  Love means you may actually be forgiven.

Last Thursday, for instance, I used Tide with Bleach Alternative to do the laundry.  I had very little time to do the laundry that day (a show that night) and couldn't find the Tide Free fast enough.  Well, all these days later the Dear Wife is itching so much she can't sleep on the sheets.  It was totally unforgivable, and yet
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 09:15:28 AM
I LOVE these posts.  I think people have hit the nail on the head - people overuse and abuse the word itself.  Frequently, two people meet, they feel passion, they connect, there's a frisson, they say I love you, they marry, and three weeks later they split up (happens in Hollywoodland all the time).  Were they in love?  Not if love means what I'm hearing here.  It would simply be impossible to be in love and then not be in love three weeks later.  
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 04, 2004, 09:18:14 AM
I think "loving" something or someone is way different from "being 'in' love" with someone (or something).

I love many things and haven't a qualm about using the word.  

But I've probably told only two people, "I'm in love with you."

Let's talk about the way the British have trampled the word "brilliant" until it means anything BUT something that is brilliant!
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: VinTek on May 04, 2004, 09:22:52 AM
Love does not consist in gazing at each other but in looking outward together in the same direction.

That's a quote by Antoine de Saint Exupťry that I have never forgotten.

BTW BK, I picked up the Haines His Way CD from my parents' house (where I have all my packages shipped) this past weekend.  Thanks ever so much.  It's good to hear it again and my wife is going through the thrill of discovery.  She thinks Guy ought to do much more recording.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 09:32:39 AM
Thanks, VinTek and thanks to your wife, who I enjoyed meeting very much.

When I was doing Twiggy's album, every time I'd make suggestions on the arrangements, and every time I'd give her direction, she replied "Brilliant."  I chose to believe her, of course.  Then I noticed that other folks from the UK were doing it, too, but that has been much more recently.  So, maybe Twiggs started the trend.  And, in any case, when Twiggs says "Brilliant" to you, it is thoroughly endearing and sweet and one's head turns all mushy.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Noel on May 04, 2004, 09:45:25 AM
I can't believe I've finally caught up on the posts of the past week.  So much to read.  So much to respond to.

It moved me to read how many of you would have a residence here in New York if you had unlimited funds.  I'm a pauper and can't, for the life of me, understand why someone (not on this board) advised Danise to avoid the subways.  For what you'd pay for a round trip cab ride, get yourself an unlimited 7-day Metrocard that allows you on any bus or subway.  Subways are often faster than cabs, who must deal with traffic.  The subway has a huge police force all its own, often undercover, so you're never more than a few feet away from a cop.  You won't see graffiti, most trains are very clean, and subway crime is exceedingly rare.  (Of course, when something does happen, it's big news, but that's because it's rare, like man bites dog.)

From your hotel to Joe's Pub take the yellow line, the N or the R, downtown from Times Square to 8th Street.  From there, walk a short block east and look down Lafayette for the Public Theatre (a beautiful old library building, with banners).

I'm not a bakery-goer.  But I've always liked Taylor's for muffins.  They're on Hudson Street in the West Village, a neighborhood no one could fail to be charmed by.  In lieu of a wedding cake, Joy and I had a tiered stack of cupcakes from Crumbs, on Amsterdam in the mid-seventies.

Henry Street Henry is just about the only recording in my collection of show albums I can't stand to play.

Musicals I'd like to see: Do I Hear a Waltz would move me another step closer to Sondheim completeness, especially if Encores does Anyone Can Whistle, which I've also not seen.  I've read both scripts and played through every note of the scores, and I find much to admire in ...Waltz.  I'd also like to see Fanny, Top Banana and Me & Juliet.

Musical festivals I won't be entering: The New York Musical Theatre Festival (that Penny O is entering).  A $50 entrance fee?  Music must be submitted on CD?  What, do they think I'm made of money?  I'm picturing they'll get about 1000 submissions and produce 18 shows on a budget of way less than $50,000 and make a tidy profit.

Watched Big Fish last night - one of Joy's favorites.  Seems to me a story about the virtues of story-telling is an instance of a writer patting himself on the back, saying "aren't storytellers wonderful?"  The problem is, the stories spun by the Albert Finney character are largely uncompelling.  A good ending but a really long wait.

I'm busy writing incidental music for a play that opens a week from Sunday.  But I hope to avoid getting so behind on my post-reading again.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: William F. Orr on May 04, 2004, 09:53:08 AM
It's I do and you don't and nobody said that and who brought the subject up first.

And (oh, an A Chorus Line reference!) DR Noel, I think your Tide With Bleach story sums it up very well.  I'm impressed you guys learned that the first year of marriage.  It took us much longer.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: DearReaderLaura on May 04, 2004, 09:54:09 AM
This morning I went into my backyard, and this is what I saw:
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 04, 2004, 10:07:12 AM
I don't know if any of you are ready for this or not.

I wasn't.

http://cbs2chicago.com/zwecker/local_story_120180254.html

(Larry Wachowski, one of two brothers who co-produced "The Matrix" and sequels, is reportedly going to have a sex change operation, has been cross-dressing for some time, and there is a relationship with a dominatrix mixed in here somewhere).
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 10:11:17 AM
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Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 10:22:23 AM
Can we have a late Page Two dance?

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Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 04, 2004, 10:25:30 AM
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Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Noel on May 04, 2004, 10:27:40 AM
Is the woman in the red dress Paul Daley's mom?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 10:31:32 AM
Will you kill me if I ask who Paul Daley is?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 10:38:40 AM
I just got back from Amazon.com and saw that Sondheim's BOUNCE is now available. I had no idea it was now in release. Of course, the list price is $19.98! (slightly lower Amazon price but still too high for a single CD). We do pay a premium price for cast albums of unsuccessful shows, don't we?
No, we pay a premium for discs released on the Nonesuch label.

Which is strange, because when I was in college they were considered a very good but budget priced cassical label.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 10:48:48 AM
Jennifer: Some fine day you'll get around to the Kritzer books and then you will have your answer.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Charles Pogue on May 04, 2004, 10:57:41 AM
A few musings on love:

Love, like anything else in this world worth having, requires work.  It is not temporary passion, obsession, lust.  It requires sacrifice, patience, and forgiveness.  It weathers the bad patches.

It also requires self-love.  No one can truly love anyone unless he first loves himself.

There is no such thing as unconditional love...maybe from a baby (but that is more need); possibly from a dog (but I suspect even a dog that is beaten enough will run or bite back).  But two mature people always have conditions. Everyone has a bottom line.  And that is good.  Love must always have a bottom line.

One of my favourite  quotes about love is from the movie DODSWORTH: "Love has got to stop somewhere short of suicide."

That does not mean love doesn't get messy or angry at times.  

I also loved Donald Sutherland's scene with Mary Tyler Moore in Ordinary People when he tells her: "You could never stand the mess."

A couple more quotes about love:

From THE REAL THING by Tom Stoppard:

"I use you because you love me. I love you so use me.  Be indulgent, negligent, preoccupied, premenstrual...your credit is infinite, I'm yours,  I'm committed...It's no trick loving someone at their best. Love is loving them at their worst."

From Oscar Wilde's THE IDEAL HUSBAND: "It is not the perfect, but the imperfect who have need of love. It is when we are wounded by our own hands or by the hands of others, that love should come to cure us --  else what use is love at all? All sins, except the sin against itself, love should forgive.  All lives, save loveless lives, love should pardon."

And perhaps Mr. Porter put it best:

I am dejected,
I am depressed,
Yet ressurrected
And sailing the crest
Why this elation,
Mixed with deflation?
What explanation?
I am in love!
Such conflicting questions ride
Around in my brain,
Should I order cyanide
Or order champagne?
Oh, what is this sudden jolt?
I feel like a frightened colt,
Just hit by a thunderbolt,
I am in love!
I knew the odds
Were against me before.
I had no flair
For flaming desire,
But since the gods
Gave me you to adore,
I may lose
But I refuse to fight the - fire!
So come and enlighten my days
And never depart.
You only can brighten the blaze
That burns in my heart.
For I am wildly in love with you,
And so in need of
A stampede of
Love!

P.S., td, I...as a screenwriter...try to use the words "I love you" as rarely as possible.  There are so many more interesting ways to express the emotion.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: td on May 04, 2004, 11:14:14 AM
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P.S., td, I...as a screenwriter...try to use the words "I love you" as rarely as possible.  There are so many more interesting ways to express the emotion.

Which is one of the many reasons that YOU are a good screenwriter.  And a great part of the HHW family.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 11:15:46 AM
I think that infatuation can prepare us for love.  

I remember that feeling eons back when I first met Jason, the first man in my life.  He was strong, handsome, agressive, filled with cameraderie, and playing pool at a bar called Larry's and wiping out his opposition, and I was instantly infatuated.  He must have picked up on that, because he very soon came over and started up a conversation, which led to later that night...  Of course, he adored being adored, no fool he.  And he did respond, as best he could, and we were together for a total of six months.

The problem was that he didn't want to really be tied down, well, not emotionally.  So he left.

A couple of pals of ours told me that people who fall out of love can never be friends.  They didn't stick around for the second act.  Jason and I were pretty soon back in contact with each other, and for several years were the very best of friends, almost brothers.  And it was during that period that we loved each other.

If I hadn't been queer-bashed, if he hadn't been forced into a position where he had to acknowledge that he couldn't protect me, we would probably still be brothers.  That was the deal breaker.  He moved to San Francisco not too long after that.

It took me a few years to get over him.
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 04, 2004, 11:25:45 AM
Today's TOD is producing some amazing posts to which I wish I could add something but I can't find it, a quote from Lillian Hellman on Dashiel Hammett, either from PENTIMENTO or AN UNFINISHED WOMAN.  So, I'll say this:  I'm listening to  "Here You Come Again" on HAINES HIS WAY as I type this, and I love it, as I love my Dear Friend BK, Guy Haines, and several other wonderful people around the globe.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 11:38:23 AM
On the other hand, der Brucer and I weren't infatuated with each other, I don't think.  Heck, even he would admit he was looking for someone to sleep with that first night.  So was I.  Tawdry?  Maybe.  But it was pretty damn good sex.

It was the following morning that turned things around.  His job required a certain degree of military awareness, and there were troubles in the MidEast even back then.  He took me to breakfast, after a softball practice that I had to attend that got rained out (yes, he followed me to the practice), and as we sat over our eggs and hash browns he started talking about all that military stuff, or what he could without getting into what was labeled top secret.  And I listened.  About half of the tech stuff he was talking about went right over my head.  And he told me he wanted to see me again, if he could the next weekend.

That next weekend, he was a little late getting to the bar where we were to meet.  It was only appropriate, since the bar was sponsoring the softball team.  That would turn out to be part of our pattern: he's always late.   :-\  And we clicked as well the second time as we had the first (only this time, there was an actual softball game).

I had a three-day weekend the next week, while he had to go to work, so I stayed at his place and relaxed while he was gone.  Before going to bed that first night of the weekend, I left a note for him on the dining room table, saying "I think I'm in love with you."  The following morning, I found he had added to the note "I think I have the same problem."

It's been eightteen years.  He's still talking, and I'm still listening, and sometimes we trade off.  Besides, he likes my cooking.  And sometimes we argue, but we don't fight.  And we do tell each other that we're sorry sometimes, but don't demand those appologies.

Panni, I agree that people who are looking for someone else to make them complete are going about finding love in the wrong way.  But that's not what happened with der Brucer and myself.  We instead found each other filling in gaps we didn't know we each had.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 11:39:37 AM
This is all your fault, BK, getting me back in storytelling mode!

 :o


 ;D



 :-*
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Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 11:46:58 AM
Well Mr Kenny Miller, star of film and television, confirmed by email today that the man sitting beside Ms Connie Stevens and advertising that he is open for business is indeed Mr John Ashley.  He thinks the other girl is Jill Haworth, but he is not sure, and he does not know who the gentleman with her is.

He said that it was a party for Mr Dick Clark.  And I would think that not one person at that table was thinking of love.  :o
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Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 11:48:29 AM
John Ashley of course originally sang EEEEE-OOOOOOOOO and Mr Kenny Miller sang EENY MEENY MINEY MO.
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Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 11:49:20 AM
Here is your Allison Hayes picture of the week.  A lovely tinted still from MOHAWK - soon to be released on DVD!
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Post by: Ann on May 04, 2004, 11:49:47 AM
The advice about love has been given to me by my mother.  When I was younger, she told me that loving someone means that what you want most for them is for them to be happy, even if means letting them go.  More recently, she taught me that expecting to find a person who fills our every need is not only impossible, but unfair, and will only set yourself up for heartbreak.

I agree wholeheartedly that "love" is a term thrown around far too casually these days.  I rarely use that word unless I truly mean it.  I also believe that there is more than one kind of love.  Very recently I had to explain to someone that while I did love them very much, I was not IN love with them, no matter how much they wanted me to be.  It was perhaps one of the hardest things I've ever had to do, but it was necessary.  

Also, in spite of what we see in the movies, sometimes love is NOT enough.  Love does not cure all evils and right all wrongs.  Love is tough, love is messy.  But it is also the greatest ability we have as human beings, and part of what makes us what we are.  I took a class last semester where we talked about Articifical Intelligence, and whether it was possible.  My teacher believed that someday we will be able to completely build a fake human being.  I don't think so.  I don't believe the ability to love has a built in mathematical equation.  
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 11:56:51 AM
We are in widescreen.
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Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 11:59:08 AM
I'm so enjoying reading these posts!

SWW - Love your love story.

FS Pogue - Wonderful quotations. Esp. Tom Stoppard. I LOVE Tom Stoppard. He's BRILLIANT. (Sorry, couldn't resist. But I do think very highly of Mr. Stoppard's writing. and he actually is worthy of being called briliant.)
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 12:00:33 PM
Let's go to Page Three.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 12:02:49 PM
PAGE THREE DANCE!!!

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Post by: William F. Orr on May 04, 2004, 12:03:36 PM
Oh my, as long as we're getting all personal here... I used to fall "in love" at the drop of a hat, though it seldom led anywhere.  Well, by the time I saw my Joe walking in the park some 23 years ago, I was more on my guard when I phoned my dear friend Debby that evening.  She asked, "Are you in love?"  "I'm... in like," I responded.  (Oh, a prescient Kritzer Time reference!)  And look what happend!

On that afternoon in the park, I mentioned I had just bought a house, Joe mentioned he was a professional mover, I mentioned I was a math professor, Joe mentioned he had just enrolled in college and was taking his first math course in seven years.  Well,  wasn't that the perfect set-up?  I tutored him, he moved me.  Twenty years later we bought a house together.  But his math is still lousey, let me tell you.  But love beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
(Oh, a St. Paul reference!)

And now for something completely different.

I had mentioned before on these boards the Angel Jim who helped Joe survive his recent ordeal.  We have been in touch with Jim's family recently, had his wife and three younger kids over to our place for a Sunday, and this weekend Joe decided to do some yard cleanup.  With an acre of property, this has become much more of a chore than in our other house.  Last year we hired professionals at exorbitant cost.  This year, we asked Jim's 15-year-old son to help out, and on Sunday he and Joe worked the better part of the day raking up 51 bags of leaves (just short of a full deck), for which we paid him handsomely.  But this time the money seemed much better spent.

By the bye, if all of y'all have any extra vibes hanging around, I'd appreciate them for Jim, that he should be released soon and be back with his family.  It can't be easy for the kids when people ask about their father.  So Joe made a special point of telling the elder one how much respect he had for his Dad, how much he helped him when he was away, and that he told him he was extremely proud of his son.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 12:05:05 PM
I just received a very interesting invitation!

I think everyone here knows that I've been posting over at a food site for some time, about Rehoboth Beach restaurants.  Well, the food critic from one of the state's newspapers has asked der Brucer and myself to join him for dinner some time soon!  Apparently he's been enjoying my posts and has decided we would make good company while he works.

We meet the most interesting people over the Internet, I must say!
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Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 12:05:55 PM
I reduced the size of Miss Hayes on page two, so I don't think that page should be stretched now!

Great dance, DR JENNIFER!
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 12:07:32 PM
DR WFO, every time you tell a story about Jim you make me cry.  What a lovely thing you guys did.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 12:08:52 PM
Thanks DR JRand: I think DR Jane and I are not completely obsessed with the gifs!

Oh I forgot, good vibes for Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 12:08:59 PM
DR Jennifer, that dance is absolutely scandalous!

I LOVE IT!

(Hmmm, need to find another word, maybe...oh well!)
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Post by: William F. Orr on May 04, 2004, 12:13:04 PM
(http://www.collectinghollywood.com/KMille1.jpg)
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Post by: William F. Orr on May 04, 2004, 12:17:54 PM
You can't hurry love.
No, you just have to wait.
She said love don't come easy.
It's a game of give and take.

You can't hurry love.
No, you just have to wait.
You got to trust, give it time
No matter how long it takes.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on May 04, 2004, 12:17:57 PM
WFO, your story about Angel Jim and his kids brought tears to my eyes. As terrible as those days were for Joe, some good did come of it, as Angel Jim's children were blessed by the love you showed to them. Hearing someone tell how great his dad is must have been very special to a teenage boy.
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 12:23:36 PM
The other girl in the photo looks like Leslie Parrish to me.  Anyone else think so?

I've just been informed that The DVD Place is going away, along with all the other allaccessworld.com sites, save for broadwayworld.com.  This is sort of annoying as I was talked into creating my DVD site there - I was originally going to create a site for Nick and I to host.  I don't feel that they did what was necessary to get the word out.  So, I have no idea how long it will be up, or whether I'll be able to move it somewhere else without starting from scratch.  The fellow does acknowledge that the DVD site is the only one that gets steady traffic and that he'll think about putting that back up at the end of the year.  Not.
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Post by: William F. Orr on May 04, 2004, 12:34:39 PM
A Question:

Does anyone know if the Bounce CD is in the stores yet?
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Post by: Ben on May 04, 2004, 12:41:27 PM
My first post of the day. My, what thoughtful and excellent posts there are today.

I agree w/Panni. You can't just "fall out of love" People do change and move away or apart, but if you fall out of love in a week after two weeks of being in love,  IMHO, you weren't in love, you were, as MBarnum so aptly put it, in infatuation. Or Limerance. Remeber that term? I don't remember the specifics of it, but it was in fashion, I think, in the 70s.

Regarding falling out of love, AKA getting over someone. I've had two real and important relationships in my adult life. I'm still in this one w/my Anthony (and plan to be in it for the rest of my life from my lips to G*ds ears). The other one did take some time to get over.  I think we were both "in love" at the time but, quoting Panni again, we grew apart and things changed. I was less prepared for the end then he was and it took me a good, long time to face facts. Now we are good friends and I think that's what we were meant to be. We had some marvelous times as a couple but we were meant to be friends, not lovers. I do, however, believe that people can grow and change and if the couple grow and change and mature while going down the same path, they will, most likely, remain together. The breakups and "falling out of love" come when the changes and growth don't mesh. I feel like I'm rambling right now so I'll stop and perhaps return to the topic later.

WFO, your story about Joe and Angel Jim and his son is very moving. Thank you.
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Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 12:53:41 PM
Leslie was prettier - but I am not sure (neither was Kenny) that it is Jill.  Here she is with Sal Mineo.  8)
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Post by: William F. Orr on May 04, 2004, 12:57:46 PM
If we want to get really innalekshul about it, I think C. S. Lewis's The Four Loves breaks it down nicely.  He points out that ancient Greek had four different words, all of which translate as "love" in English.

Eros:  Erotic love, infatuation, "being in love" (Oh, a Meredith Willson reference!)

Philia:  Friendship.  (Oh, a Cole Porter reference!)

Storge:  Familial love, the love we hold for pets, familiar places and people.

Agape:  The higher love, love of God, love of humanity.

Many relationships, according to Lewis, are a mixture of these.  In particular Eros can be overwhelming, but it is not the sole basis for a long-term relationship without philia and eventually storge.
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Post by: TCB on May 04, 2004, 01:00:48 PM
My apologies for being E & T yesterday, but the day turned into a computer virus / worm day for me.  When I got to work at seven, yesterday morning, I was told that we were experiencing some computer glitches.  Within about twenty minutes, it became obvious that the State computer system was infected with the dreaded Sasser Virus that started out in Russia on Sunday night.  Our entire computer system was down for the whole day.  In the past, that would not have been a problem, because a lot of my job could be done on paper,  but since they installed the new computer programs, all of the data I need to do my job is now only available on the computer.

After work, I decided to stop by Office Depot and pick up the latest edition of Anti-Virus software for my home computer.  I had downloaded a program from the internet a couple of years ago, but I had never been very confident that it was doing the job.  And since Daniseís computer woes last week seemed to fit all of the symptoms of Sasser, I thought it was probably better to be safe than sorry.  After five hours of searching, the software ended up locating seven viruses on my home computer (none of them Sasser), so I guess it was money well spent.

I must confess that I spent Sunday evening and last evening watching 10.5.  I knew, going in, that it would probably be pretty stupid, rather cheesy, and be a very cheaply made film; but I didnít care, I like really LOVE disaster films.  Actually, I thought story-wise and characterĖwise, it was no worse than, say, Earthquake.  However, since it was a TV movie, the special effects were really far-below bargain basement (think Plan 9).  AND, of course, there were a lot of rather strange and illogical plot holes, many of them even larger than the San Andreas Fault, but I didn't mind those either.  At the same time, who could help but be moved by the scene where Fred Ward, trapped one hundred feet below the surface of the earth with a nuclear warhead sitting on his chest (donít ask), finally tells his son (played by Crossing Jordanís Ivan Sergei) that he loves him.   All in all, a fine waste of four hours that might otherwise have been spent reading smutty books.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on May 04, 2004, 01:09:54 PM
Panni, Stoppard is, indeed, brilliant.  And despite that old inaccurate chestnut about him being cool and intellectual, he is perhaps one of the most emotional and passionate writers I know. You just have to be smart to appreciate his passion.

Stoppard and Peter Shaffer are maybe my two favourite writers writing today.
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Post by: William F. Orr on May 04, 2004, 01:10:09 PM
Well, my Joe and I certainly love disaster movies, monster movies, and all the old and recent tawdry ones especially.  Our Saturday nights are usually spent with SciFi's creature feature--a new one every week at 9 preceded by two or three on the same theme--last weekend it was all bee movies, B bee movies at that.  And do you know, even in South America, the mayor of the town refused to cancel the festival when he was informed the virus-laden wasps were coming!

Joe read that 10.5 was on and we were thinking of watching till we read "...attempted to head it off with a nuclear explosion" and we thought, "Not again!"  We've even stopped watching anything entitled Stephen King's... since he ceased to be a writer and morphed into a registered trademark.
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Post by: Stuart on May 04, 2004, 01:14:37 PM
I would be remiss if I did not add the two thoughts that popped into my head as soon as I read today's TOD.  And since I have already written my serious, senitmental one, here we go:

Love makes the world go 'round. (Oooooh!  A Bob Merrill reference!)

and

Love makes the world go square.  (Oooooh!  A Richard Rodgers reference!)

Whew!  I am glad I got those off my chest!
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Post by: William E. Lurie on May 04, 2004, 01:14:59 PM
Today is the street date for BOUNCE and I'll be very disappointed it it is not in stores.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 01:24:50 PM
It might be a little while before I get BOUNCE.  But anyone who does get it please post ASAP.
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Post by: Matt H. on May 04, 2004, 01:32:23 PM
Watched the first 50 minutes of A NIGHT AT THE OPERA on videotape. On it, despite the low resolution, I see no real problems with the master used for the tape transfer. Yes, there are some abrupt cuts, and I assume these were done at some point during the film's many reissues down through the years to satisfy some censorship group or other.

So, I can't wait to get my Marx Bros. box so I can examine the DVD of the film and see what all the profane shouting is about as far as how bad the element was to make the transfer. Should be interesting. I was devastated that the box didn't come in the mail today.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 01:33:52 PM
Didn't someone mention that BOUNCE was going for 19.99$ on amazon.com.  I just checked and it says 14.99$!
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 01:35:57 PM
Oh btw, no wonder I'm getting compliments on my Hawaiian dance guy. I didn't realize what I was posting! :)
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Post by: Matt H. on May 04, 2004, 01:39:48 PM
No, Jennifer, I said it had a LIST price of $19.99 at Amazon. I acknowledged that they were charging slightly less but it was $16.99 when I checked this morning.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 01:40:50 PM
But our reaction to Hawaiian Guy is more like  :o and  ;D
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Post by: MBarnum on May 04, 2004, 01:41:55 PM
BK and JRand53, I am pretty sure that is Leslie Parrish in that photo..in fact I think that is the reason it was posted...but I can't be sure. I  can't even recall who posted it originally now! LOL!

John Ashley...LOL! Of course! Who else!

By the way, Connie Stevens does NOT want to be interviewed about Hawaiian Eye! Just thought I would share.

JRand53, I don't supposed you would like to interview Robert Conrad or Edd Byrnes would you????
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Post by: Stuart on May 04, 2004, 01:45:05 PM
JRand53, I don't supposed you would like to interview Robert Conrad or Edd Byrnes would you????

Personally, I wouldn't mind interviewing Robert Conrad!  And a good friend of mine shares my enthusiastic opinion!
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 01:55:42 PM
Ah okay DR MattH I see what you must have said. All I remembered was the mention of amazon and the 19.99$ price.  It is interesting how they change it (btw, if anyone ordered it at the higher price just email them and they will give you the money back).
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Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 02:02:21 PM
Hmmmmmmmm....Connie wants to forget Hawaiian Eye - huh?  Well I suppose now that she is big cosmetics mogul she can forget all about her WB past.

Robert Conrad is a pill....but I like Edd Byrnes!  Remember the front flip he does at the end of Hand Jive in GREASE?  Watch him....he does a gymnastic move into the last shot!

BTW MBARNUM Kenny Miller says he is looking forward to reading your interview.

It might be Leslie Parrish, Mr BK would know.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 02:03:08 PM
We're moving on to Page Four.
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 02:03:59 PM
Anyone working on the Penny Peyser material?
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Post by: Matt H. on May 04, 2004, 02:04:20 PM
When was that photo taken of John Ashley and the others. It must have been early to mid-1950s.
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 02:04:43 PM
Sure looked like Leslie P. to me which is why I mentioned it.

MattH - my guess is that the bitchers are full of it, as they usually are.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 02:05:16 PM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]PAGE FOUR DANCE![/move]

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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 02:05:45 PM
I'd guess the photo is from the late 50s early 60s - Miss Stevens started working around then.
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Post by: Tomovoz on May 04, 2004, 02:09:18 PM
A welcome to Beekay again - "Nature Boy" was a favourite song of my childhood.
RLP - someone else liked Moulin Rouge!
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Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 02:12:02 PM
No Peyser material in my collection.  8-(
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 02:13:47 PM
American Idol will be on tonight.  I wonder who will be voted out next?

Btw, I saw the special that was on last night and it was actually sort of interesting.  Basically they just showed clips of each contestant (one by one) and did an interview with each of them.  Then they each sang their favorite song (that they've sang so far).
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 02:16:09 PM
Just listened to the samples from Bounce - not good.  Sounds like someone doing a parody of Sondheim.  
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Post by: Matt H. on May 04, 2004, 02:18:48 PM
Just had to share this scruptuous picture from this week's ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY.

Fans know that the wonderful series ANGEL is ending its five year run at the end of this month, and in honor of it, here's a picture of its handsome and talented star.


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Post by: Matt H. on May 04, 2004, 02:21:02 PM
I'm guessing that Latoya and Diana will do the best tonight in an evening of Big Band standards. Looking forward to it. Also to the exciting and nerve-wracking '24.'
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Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 02:22:01 PM
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=redclayramblers.tripod.com/pics/dsgals.jpg&imgrefurl=http://redclayramblers.tripod.com/studscast.htm&h=407&w=491&sz=23&tbnid=d7evqtTiplcJ:&tbnh=105&tbnw=126&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpenny%2Bpeyser%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=redclayramblers.tripod.com/pics/dsgals.jpg&imgrefurl=http://redclayramblers.tripod.com/studscast.htm&h=407&w=491&sz=23&tbnid=d7evqtTiplcJ:&tbnh=105&tbnw=126&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpenny%2Bpeyser%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG)

Some photos of Penny at this website...Jesse James Story...

And another I found on the internet with a face familiar around here.  ;D
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 02:25:01 PM
Just had to share this scruptuous picture from this week's ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY.

Fans know that the wonderful series ANGEL is ending its five year run at the end of this month, and in honor of it, here's a picture of its handsome and talented star.
A few days ago, channel surfing, I came across a Married with Children episode with someone standing in the doorway, looking handsome but thuggish.  Sure enough, Boreanaz's IMDB credits list him as having done a guest shot on the show, pre Buffy.

Some gigs help pay the bills, I guess.
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 02:26:42 PM
OMG what a great picture DR Jrand! :)
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 02:28:02 PM
Funny how no DRs are hot for the granny. :)
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Post by: Jane on May 04, 2004, 02:37:03 PM
Tomovoz, how to explain color to a blind person is a great analogy.  

I donít want to slight those who didnít fall out of love, because very few things match the pain of loving someone who has stopped loving you.  

SWW that was a touching story about Jason.  Some people donít have staying power.  And that is what staying in love takes.  So IMHO:

Romantically speaking there are different degrees of love, just as with all relationships.  You can love someone knowing it isnít for keeps.  But real, or lasting love is more than just loving someone, you must have commitment with it.  And you had better like the person to begin with.  Romance isnít just about being courted, itís when you look and feel like shit, look up to see eyes full of love looking at you.  Itís the actions and deeds that make a difference.  Staying power is when things are tough and you arenít sure how you feel or are tempted to look elsewhere, instead you look back to what you have and make it better.   Itís adapting when the other one changes (I donít mean their basic morals cause that could be a problem).   I could go on and on-itís way too complicated, yet simple.  I knew when I was 17 Keith was it-forever, no matter what it took.  I knew it wouldnít be easy, and often it wasnít.  Most times Iím just told I am lucky and, well maybe luck has something to do with it too.

Charles Pogue I love the quote from THE IDEAL HUSBAND
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: TCB on May 04, 2004, 02:38:07 PM
Sorry to disappoint you DR Stuart, but I was on a cruise with Bob Conrad two years ago, and, believe me, the memory of that body of his, on Wild Wild West and even Battle of the Network Stars, is far better than the current reality.  He is also rather blatantly anti-gay.  His use of the term, "light in the loafers," to describe a large number of his fellow actors and contract players gets old very fast.  And, oh that ego.   On the positive side, I found him to be quite charming, and he does have lots of great stories about his days at Warner Brothers.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jane on May 04, 2004, 02:40:56 PM

WEF, good vibes for Jim and his family.

SWW you will tell us about the dinner.

Jennifer I think you are on your own now with that obsession, unless Panni joins you.  I have way too much to do before we leave.

JRand53, nice picture.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 02:46:13 PM


bk - Sorry to hear about the DVD Place...  :-[

 
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Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 02:47:47 PM
And good vibes to Jim. Sounds like he's found some great friends, so those are good vibes in action already.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 02:54:19 PM
Re the possible Leslie Parrish pic. Looks like Ms. Parrish to me. Compare it with this pic:
http://www.oz.net/~daveb/leslie.htm
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 02:54:47 PM
Question for any DRs.  I have a pic on my computer that someone sent me.  It is really nice except that the person's face is a bit too dark (i want it lighter).

Does anyone know how I could fix this?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: JoseSPiano on May 04, 2004, 02:54:49 PM
Good Afternoon!

Well, made it back up to Arlington safe and sound.  And what a beautiful day for a drive!  Sunny, blue skies, and in the mid-60s!  Great for driving with the windows down!  And I decided on a whim, more or less, to stop at my favorite barber on the way back in.  And, more or less, on a whim, I got my hair cut really short - a 1 on the sides and a 3 - well, more like a 2 1/2 - on the top - for those of you familiar with clipper settings.  Let's just say I'm getting a headstart on my summer cut.

Well, there's still a few things I need to catch up on before heading in for tonight's show... I'll catch up on the posts post-show... Let's see how many pages I'll have to catch up on!?!?!?

Laters...
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 02:56:03 PM
If The DVD Place can continue by moving it elsewhere or making it a stand-alone thing, I'll do it.  I think it was beginning to catch on - certainly traffic has been improving.  We'll see.  We're talking about it.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: TCB on May 04, 2004, 02:59:36 PM
Quote
It also requires self-love.  No one can truly love anyone unless he first loves himself.




 I agree with DR Charles Pogue.  Perhaps that is why I am alone today?

Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Charles Pogue on May 04, 2004, 03:19:56 PM
Jane, the quote from Ideal Husband is from a much longer speech that had me in tears when I saw it .  Imagine...weeping in an Oscar Wilde comedy...
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 03:26:36 PM
Speaking of love... Just read that Celeste Holm got married last Thursday on her 85th birthday. The groom is opera singer Frank Basile with whom she performs in a cabaret show, "At Holm and Abroad." Mr. Basile is 42.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jed on May 04, 2004, 03:34:28 PM
Jennifer - I think that's my favorite page dance yet. :D
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Post by: Jennifer on May 04, 2004, 03:41:48 PM
Jennifer - I think that's my favorite page dance yet. :D

Granny or hula boy? :)
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Ben on May 04, 2004, 03:54:20 PM
Don't know if this closing date will hold but according to Playbill On-Line Aida will shutter in October

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/85984.html
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jane on May 04, 2004, 03:55:28 PM
Jane, the quote from Ideal Husband is from a much longer speech that had me in tears when I saw it .  Imagine...weeping in an Oscar Wilde comedy...

Yes I can, it's beautiful.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 04:04:47 PM
Yes, bad news about the allaccess sites....including the DVD Place.  I read everything there and posted....hmmmmmmm....

Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Ron Pulliam on May 04, 2004, 04:18:43 PM
42 goes into 85

A helluva lot more

Than 85 goes into 42!
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Post by: elmore3003 on May 04, 2004, 04:25:55 PM
42 goes into 85

A helluva lot more

Than 85 goes into 42!

I've seen him.  I don't know about that!
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Ann on May 04, 2004, 04:33:05 PM
Question for any DRs.  I have a pic on my computer that someone sent me.  It is really nice except that the person's face is a bit too dark (i want it lighter).

Does anyone know how I could fix this?

You can send it to me, if you like, Jennifer.  I can fix it for you :)
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 04:37:39 PM
Can you fix my face while you're at it?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 04:40:06 PM
LOL get in line, MR BK.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 04:41:41 PM
Welcome eleven GUESTS.  Join us - it's love we're talkin' about.  

Plus this exciting second feature: I'm talkin' 'bout devilled clams
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 04:45:29 PM
Wow, eleven suddenly became seven - fynny, oops, sorry, funny that.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 05:05:08 PM
Ah, I see that in conjunction with the disappearance of a few merry lurkers, our merry searchers are back, searching merrily.  I'm talkin' 'bout devilled clams.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 05:10:10 PM
What are we, on a dinner break?  Come back, little Sheba.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 05:15:01 PM
Is this little Sheba person one of the lurkers? is she related to Little Richard?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 05:20:40 PM
 I want a boy-toy!


(http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/sport/sport-smiley-017.gif)
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 05:23:45 PM
Half the smilie is missing - the part where you see the actual basketball player throwing the ball. Seeing only half the picture makes it mildly obscene. But who am I to censor moi?  We need a 5-second delay at HHW!
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: MBarnum on May 04, 2004, 05:28:40 PM
BK, has Penny checked for her memorabilia at Larry Edmund Bookshop on Hollywood Blvd? Or at Eddie Brandt's in North Hollywood. Those are the two places I alway's hit when I am in the area.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: MBarnum on May 04, 2004, 05:29:36 PM
TCB, did Bob Conrad have any stories about Dorothy Provine?
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Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on May 04, 2004, 05:34:23 PM
After 37 years we still make each other smile. If that's not love, what is?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 05:38:32 PM
Yes, MBarnum, those were the first places I sent her.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: TCB on May 04, 2004, 05:47:30 PM
TCB, did Bob Conrad have any stories about Dorothy Provine?

I think he may have mentioned her in passing -- a fine gal -- but nothing more.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Danise on May 04, 2004, 06:03:51 PM
Good evening all!

Love.  Thatís a wonderful subject and I wish I could go into great detail about it but I will have to settle for the following by Shakespeare:


Let me not to the Marriage of True Minds admit impediments,
Love is not Love which alters when it alteration finds
Or Bends with the Remover to Remove,
Oh, No! It is an ever-fixed mark that looks on Tempests and is never shaken.
It is the Star to every wandering bard whoís worth unknown
Although his height be taken.

Loves not times fool,
Though rosy lips and cheeks within his bending sickle compass come.
Love alters not with these brief hours and weeks but bears out,
Even to the Edge of Doom.

If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ,
Nor no man ever loved.

I think that pretty much sums up my feeling about the subject as well.  I hope I quoted that right--Memory can be a tricky thing.   :D

Iím sorry to hear that ďAll Access WorldĒ isnít doing well.  Lord knows I tried to post things there on different subjects but couldnít get a bite.

TCBĖIím sorry to hear that you had/have computer problems.  I read about that worm on CNNís news page.  Blasted thing.  Why do people have to make stuff like that?  I mean I can almost understand if someone does you wrong and your trying to get back at them (know that Iím not saying that is right but I can understand it) but to release something that can harm innocent people who havenít done a thing to you is just plain wrong, wrong, WRONG!!!!

Sorry to rant and run but I have GOT to get some sleep tonight.

Have a GREAT evening all!
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: td on May 04, 2004, 06:55:29 PM
My, oh, my, I post a picture of Miss Leslie Parrish, and BK only comes up with an I'm almost sure it's her!?!?!?
Funny how all of the gents were given their due, but, poor Miss Parrish didn't get her recognition.  Sad to be all alone in the world.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jane on May 04, 2004, 06:58:29 PM
I just stopped to say hello.  Now back to work.  

 
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Post by: Charles Pogue on May 04, 2004, 06:59:25 PM
Dan-in-Toronto, making each other smile is good.  The Lovely Wife and I still make each other laugh a lot and laugh at the same things and find the same things funny.  And it seems like each day, one of us will make a comment about a show we're watching or a commercial on the tube or some slice of life we've mutually witnessed and the other will say: "I was just going to say the exact same thing!"  

If shared smiles, laughs, and observations aren't love, they'll just have to do...
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 07:35:06 PM
I've been meaning to say for a while now, but today's topic makes it the ideal time... You and The Lovely Wife have a wonderful marriage, FS Pogue. Everything you say about her is filled not only with love, but with respect. Congratulations.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: td on May 04, 2004, 07:51:27 PM
Oh, DR Panni; It's very strange, but, i still don't have a private message from you. . .

try this, okay?

hilton1@nauticom.net
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 08:12:18 PM
Hey, where in tarnation IS everyone?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: td on May 04, 2004, 08:14:47 PM
Hey, where in tarnation IS everyone?

Don't know about everyone else, but, I'm flying off to NeverLand right now.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 08:38:52 PM
Okay okay....it's Leslie Parrish.

Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Charles Pogue on May 04, 2004, 09:03:14 PM
American Idol...Simon's right:  Predictable.  The songs that were picked were sadly obvious and none of them were Big Band songs.  Sort of just generic pop/standard/Broadway/movie...It's apparent that none of these people have even listened to a Tommy Dorsey or Larry Clinton or Glenn Miller or Louis Jordan album.  Where were songs like Frenesi, You Go To My Head, Is You Is or Is You Ain't My Baby?, Indian Summer, Why Don't You Do Right?, Polka Dots And Moonbeams, With the Wind and the Rain in Your Hair, Bob White, etc., etc.  Half the songs done weren't even written during the Big Band era.  What crap and for the most part crap performances.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Matt H. on May 04, 2004, 09:04:03 PM
It was a good night on AMERICAN IDOL. Now that the iffy singers are gone and everyone left can go beyond carrying a tune, it was a night of quite wonderful standards, and these five showed they can sing well and without ostintation when they choose.

Of course, LaToya London sang "Too Close for Comfort" and "Don't Rain on My Parade" in big band arrangements, and Simon congratulated her on a good Broadway performance. Yep, they're Broadway tunes, but the performance was pure big band.

It was the same with everyone else. They all handled the standards very professionally. LaToya has just that tiny bit of confidence when she sings that the others seem to lack.

If I had one quibble with everyone tonight, it's that the arrangements included low notes that none of them could really hit with authority. Their big voices would go down and there would either be silence or a wavery grunt. Otherwise, though, I really had nothing very negative to say.

I thought Jasmine's few interpolated high notes in her head voice ruined a good first song. George seemed more nervous than usual, but made "It's a Wonderful World" his own. Diana had great control, and so did Fantasia who had more low notes than anyone and didn't handle them well (though the rest of the singing was first rate).
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Charles Pogue on May 04, 2004, 09:05:44 PM
P.S. - I don't think it's Leslie Parrish...
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Charles Pogue on May 04, 2004, 09:13:11 PM
Well, as you no doubt have already seen, Matt, you & I disagree.  Even though they were standards...they were obvious choices.  If you're going to pick a Fred Astaire song... not really Big Band, though the Big Band covered the tunes...How about something like Slap That Bass, Isn't This a Lovely Day?, I'm Putting All My Eggs In On Basket, Let Yourself Go...rather than things we've heard eight hundred times like Cheek To Cheek and The Way You Look Tonight?  Even our own Guy Haines has the taste to pick Pick Yourself Up for his album.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 09:13:32 PM
Where in tarnation IS Leslie Parrish?  It's LOVE I'm talkin' about.  
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 09:14:55 PM
Welcome nine GUESTS.  It's LOVE I'm talkin' about.  It's Leslie Parrish I'm talkin' about.  And devilled crabs, let's not forget the devilled crabs.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Matt H. on May 04, 2004, 09:20:05 PM
Charles, I can guarantee that the under 40 crowd of AMERICAN IDOL's audience was totally unfamiliar with "Cheek to Cheek." As far as standards are concerned, it was as good a choice as any. I don't know about you, but I don't hear "Cheek to CHeek" played on the radio very often at all any more.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 09:27:05 PM
Forget dem crabs. How 'bout devilled eggs?
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 09:32:18 PM
I want devilled something.  I'm hungry.  I had three bagels today - not that much in the scheme of things.  I was on a bagel kick and that's all there was to it.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 09:33:27 PM
What a yummilicious dinner der Brucer and I had tonight.  We took advantage of the special $30 Tuesday tasting at the Blue Moon (three courses, with wine), and while there were no deviled crabs, there were other things to be eaten that were just as wonderous.

For the appetizer, we both went for the Oriental Duck Salad, which had been very slowly cooked and pulled, mixed with chives and bits of pistachio, and served on a small lemon grass tortilla, with some baby mache on the side.  This was followed with a mixed field greens salad, which had been splashed with a maple sesame vinaigrette, sprinkled with sundried cherries, and topped with a small wedge of toasted foccacia and a slice of smoked gouda.

For the main course, I had the grilled swordfish steak, which was moist and tender and topped with the meat from a lobster claw and diced tomatoes, and served with a jasmine rice and daikon pilaf and steamed spinach.  All right, the spinach needed some salt.  Der Brucer had the lobster and Dungeness crabcake, which was served atop some fresh Old Bay pappardelle, sauced with roasted pepper aioli, with a helping of buttered shoepeg corn.  ("Pappardelle?  Looks like someone ran over the spaghetti with a steamroller!" der B joked.)

Dessert added to the tab, but was worth it.  Der Brucer had a apple and prune crisp, topped with fresh-churned ice cream; I had a lemon and poppy seed mini-Bundt cake with a blueberry sauce.

No, we can't afford to eat like this all the time, but the original tab (without dessert) to ran $60 for the two of us.  Compare that with the $120 the same items would have cost any other night!  No wonder the restaurant was full.

And we had people telling us before we left SoCal that we wouldn't ever find a good meal again.   8)
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 09:34:47 PM
I don't know about you, but I don't hear "Cheek to CHeek" played on the radio very often at all any more.
Is that by the same guy that wrote "Shake Yo Boo-Tay"?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Charles Pogue on May 04, 2004, 09:36:06 PM
Well, Matt, I do hear it on the radio out here occasionally (we have two standard stations now in LA and I also play cable radio in the home) and George, God love 'im, can't compare with the likes of Tony Bennett or Fred Astaire (Fred happens to be one of my favourite singers...so his albums get a lot of play around this house).

I just thought the whole evening was dull and boring...very few, if any, Big Band standards were played (though if they had...We probably would have got Sing, Sing, Sing, Tangerine, and other tired, over-done, on-the-nose choices).
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 09:38:23 PM
I'm hungry, too. Devilled bagel perhaps.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 09:40:27 PM
I've just discovered that "deviled" only has ONE "l"... English is a strange language.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 09:45:55 PM
How about something like Slap That Bass, Isn't This a Lovely Day?, I'm Putting All My Eggs In On Basket, Let Yourself Go...rather than things we've heard eight hundred times like Cheek To Cheek and The Way You Look Tonight?  Even our own Guy Haines has the taste to pick Pick Yourself Up for his album.
Wait a sec here, DR Charles.  "Pick Yourself Up" and "The Way You Look Tonight" are both from Swing Time, by Jerome Kern and Dorothy Fields.  Considering the musical education of the contestants, if you're going to allow one song by Kern and Fields, why not allow the other?

Although, frankly, even der Brucer wasn't very unhappy about missing the show tonight.  American Yodel stinks this year, too safe and homogenized.  Hung is the only contestant likely to sell any records.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Charles Pogue on May 04, 2004, 09:47:33 PM
So if you were an American Idol contestant which songs would you pick:

Ballad/Balladish:  

You Go To My Head
My Reverie
I'm Glad There Is You
Music, Maestro, Please
Heaven Can Wait
Everything Happens to Me
Ballerina

Up-Tempo/Zippy:

Make Believe Ballroom
Bob White
Scatterbrain
Got A Date With An Angel
Oh, Look At Me Now
When Did You Leave Heaven?
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Charles Pogue on May 04, 2004, 09:54:09 PM
Woody, because THE WAY YOU LOOK TONIGHT is the more obvious, well-known, more frequently recorded, performed song.  It won the Academy Award.  It's what someone who's 16-21 might pick because somewhere, somehow, it's the only thing they've ever heard.  Let's hear something not done as frequently...something where we can't compare them to a dozen other better artists who have recorded the song.  Let them show us some instinct for song selection that is not the obvious, predictable choice.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 10:00:11 PM
I know deviled only has one "l" but I didn't like the way it looked - it looks like it should be pronounced deVEYEled, as in revile.  So, I'll stick with devilled.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: JoseSPiano on May 04, 2004, 10:12:59 PM
Good Evening!

Well, after tonight's show, I joined some of the cast and we watched "American Idol" via VHS tape.  It's sooo much fun watching this show with a bunch of singers!!!

In any case...  The thing that "got" me tonight was how the judges - well, mainly Simon - kept saying that the singers didn't have "THE American Idol" sound.  What do you expect?!?!? It was BIG BAND night!!!  If I'm remembering correctly, when AI started out, didn't they want the singers to sing songs from various periods in various styles?  Well...

After the little "history of swing" clip the showed, I was expecting some more traditional material - or at least material from the period rather than post-Big Band stuff arranged in a Big Band style.  -Something tells me the whole "charting" deadline had something to do with the song selection... and most of the charts sounded like Linda Ronstadt's or Natalie Cole's arrangements.  I would have even liked to hear some stuff we heard in the earlier rounds like "Orange Colored Sky" and "Hit Me With A Hot Note".  But given the age of the contestants - and, most likely, the age of the coaches that AI uses - tonight's repertoire was no big surprise to me.  A disappointment, yes; but not a surprise.  And, again, I have a feeling they had a trunk full of charts somewhere for the band to play.  Maybe so, maybe not.

BUT you could tell that LaToya knows how to talk to the arranger - her "package" tonight seemed the most complete - and her choice of keys - well, key (even though both song modulated) - were very well-suited to her voice.  The others just seemed to be singing what was given to them.

-And I also found it interesting that they used the rehearsal clips for the "round up" at the end - which I guess they've done before.  I liked the way Fantasia sounded in her sound bite than when she actually sang.

OK - I need to head to bed.  I'm playing the understudy rehearsal tomorrow afternoon.  -It's nice to know that I'm finally well enough to do so!  -And the extra money in next week's pay check will be nice too!

Ohhh... On more thing.... (see next post... well, my next post...)
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: DearReaderLaura on May 04, 2004, 10:22:33 PM
Jose, I just want to say how glad I am that you are feeling better and are posting frequently again. I missed you!
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: JoseSPiano on May 04, 2004, 10:27:34 PM
Back to the topic of the day for a few more moments...

When Steve and I were together as a couple, there was one time when I had left little Post-It notes with various "sweet nothings" written on them throughout our apartment before I had to leave for an out-of-town gig.  I put things in the medicine cabinet, in the roll of toilet paper, on the bottom of his computer mouse, on the phone receiver, etc.  It was very cute... and Steve kept finding them for a few days afterwards.  -He thought his mouse was broken, but then he picked it up and looked at it, and realized I had put an "I Love You" Post-It note on it.  Well... a couple of months later...

I had a gig at the New Harmony Theatre in New Harmony, Indiana a few summers ago.  It was the first day, and we were doing all the first day paperwork - tax forms, contracts, etc.  Well, I go to open my checkbook, and I find this little Post-It note with "I <heart> U" written on it.  It actually took me a second to realize what it was - and who did it.... But after that second I was smiling from ear to ear...  Well, throughout the week, I kept finding some more notes here and there... Even one on the inside lid of my box of Altoids!  -I even think I found one stray note after I had finished the gig!  He had hidden them in various parts of my luggage and bags.

So... Love for me came to mean knowing that that someone special was close - even when they weren't physically close.  That I always wanted to be close to that person.  And that the "sadness" caused by the "distance" was happily overshadowed by the joy of knowing that he wanted to be near me too.

-And I still have one of those "I <Heart> U" Post-Its.  :)
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: JoseSPiano on May 04, 2004, 10:35:24 PM
Jose, I just want to say how glad I am that you are feeling better and are posting frequently again. I missed you!

Thank you, Laura!

And, trust me, I'm very glad that I'm feeling better too!

-My doctor actually gave me a print out of all my lab results, diagnoses, medications, test results, blood work, etc., at my last follow up visit on Monday.  WOW!!! I WAS SICK!!!  -Alas, I probably have one or two more follow up visits - but they're more for my peace of mind, than on my doctor's orders.  -I just want to get checked out once I'm finally not taking antibiotics - which will be this Sunday!!!  YIPPEE!!!!!

-And I missed you guys too!

OK - Now I really need to go to bed!

-And DR WFO - Thank you for sharing that truly beautiful story.

And DRs SWW and DerB - The restaurant critic for The Washington Post sometimes "looks" for dining companions.  A friend of mine accompanied him a few times on some of his visits to various restaurants.  -And all he did was ask!  Not a bad way to get some free food!
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 10:35:55 PM
Woody, because THE WAY YOU LOOK TONIGHT is the more obvious, well-known, more frequently recorded, performed song.  It won the Academy Award.  It's what somewhat who's 16-21 might pick because somewhere, somehow, it's the only thing they've ever heard.
Are you sure they pick the songs themselves?  I don't even think they're musically educated enough to know anything other than what they hear on the radio now, and if they know "The Way You Look Tonight" it isn't because it won the Academy Award (deservedly) but because it's currently in use as commercial fodder to sell products.

My bet is they've got coaches working with them week after week, selecting material for them and then teaching them now to sing the songs.  The Elton John/Barry Manilow/Gloria Estafan weeks, they had the writers/stars themselves coaching them (and gushing over them), and showed the coaching clips on the shows.

That being the case, they might as well do the overly familiar, because these kids aren't smart enough to know what might better.  I don't see any of them having careers to speak of.  There hasn't been any hint of any of them knowing how to play an instrument, or how to dance beyond a few perfunctory steps.  God forbid any of them should try to write a song themselves and sing it.

Come to think of it, I don't think any of the judges would know what to make of it if one of the kids did perform an original song.  They wouldn't have a previous performance of the song to compare it to.

If Simon keeps complaining about how everything is predictable, he's only got himself to blame.  He and the other two and the minions who winnowed the bulk of the auditioners out of the process in the first rounds were the ones who selected these "contestants."

The whole show is a waste of time, a sham from start to finish. Time to move on to something else.

And that is the state of the rant!
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Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 10:36:05 PM
Lovely story DRJOSE.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on May 04, 2004, 10:38:39 PM
OH!  I just looked to the left and realized I broke the 1000 mark!  Cool!
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 10:42:57 PM
And DRs SWW and DerB - The restaurant critic for The Washington Post sometimes "looks" for dining companions.  A friend of mine accompanied him a few times on some of his visits to various restaurants.  -And all he did was ask!  Not a bad way to get some free food!
Nope, it ain't Tom Sietsema.  Our host will be more local.  He's supposed to cover the entire state, but is based in Wilmington (northern Delaware) same as his paper, so Wilmington gets the bias on coverage.  At least he's trying to get more balance going, and any help I can give him (and thereby help my neck of the woods) will be worth it.
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Post by: George on May 04, 2004, 10:43:33 PM
About the Topic of the Day:  Others here have expressed opinions far more eloquently than I ever could.

A woman that I work with and her husband counsel young adults in relationships (within a religious context).  One thing that she said she asks the kids is something like, do you think you are "truly" in love or is it just "pizza" love?  In other words, do you really feel a deep love that can (hopefully) weather the storms throughout life or do you love each other in the same way that you love a really good pizza (and itís the kind of "love" that can change very easily)?  I donít quite remember the details of her questions, but it was something like that and it seemed like it was a great way to talk to kids about the subject and have them really be able to relate it.

Personally, I've only really been in love once.  And it was completely unrequited (I hate that).  We both worked for the library (where I still work) and I barely knew him, but I just couldnít stop thinking about him.  It eventually developed into feelings that I had never had before (and not really sinceÖdarn it all).  I found out that he was gay ;D but had a partner :(.  We eventually became friends but I never told him how I felt.  The feelings have since faded (it actually didnít take too long) and weíve all moved on.  That was about 13 years ago.  Damn, thatís a long time ago.

Iíve had a lot of crushed over the years, and I have had a great 3-1/2 year relationship with someone who lives in Seattle.   Even though I never truly "fell in love" with him, we were/are very compatible as friends.  We broke up mainly because of the long distance.  If we lived in the same city and had easy access to each other (his job takes him out of town for a week, every other week and he doesnít own a car), I think that it couldíve happened.  I even visited him this past weekend because his birthday was yesterday and mine is tomorrow.
Title: Re:THE IMPOSSIBLE DREAM
Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 10:45:07 PM
Sweet story, Jose. Glad you're feeling better.

I just had some scrambled eggs with turkey. Thought all the late night denizens would be wildly interested in that.
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 10:45:21 PM
DR Jose has re-ascended!  We have another
[size=20]DEUS AU DEUX![/size]
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Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 10:46:27 PM
I just had some scrambled eggs with turkey. Thought all the late night denizens would be wildly interested in that.
I thought you were calling him Wussburger these days!


 ;D
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Post by: George on May 04, 2004, 10:48:50 PM
OH!  I just looked to the left and realized I broke the 1000 mark!  Cool!

Congratulations!!  13 more posts after this one and I'll be the next to hit four digits!
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Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 10:52:29 PM
I just took Wussburger (aka Abie, aka Turkey) out and it's very pleasant outdoors. Not hot, not cool, just perfect.
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Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 10:55:36 PM
 
           PAGE SEVEN DANCE!

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Post by: S. Woody White on May 04, 2004, 10:57:12 PM
I've got to get going early tomorrow.  This wuss is burgering.  Nite!
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Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 10:57:46 PM
Nice dance DRPANNI!
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Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 10:58:06 PM
Nite, SWW!
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Post by: George on May 04, 2004, 10:58:28 PM
Goodnight all!  "The Daily Show" with Jon Stewart is just about to start, and it's my only source of political news (no, really, it is!) and I musn't miss it!  Until tomorrow...which is Cinco de Mayo (and a special day for me)!
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Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 10:58:53 PM
Thank you, JR. All those Arthur Murray classes are finally paying off.
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Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 11:01:42 PM
DR George shares a birthday with my former mother-in-law (the darling daughter's grandma - who has not visited with her grandchild in over 10 years, but hey who's counting). Good thing he mentioned the day or I would have forgotten to call her.
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Post by: Tomovoz on May 04, 2004, 11:12:38 PM
I don't see Dead People but I do see another "Boy From OZ" on the site at the moment. Hello Beekay.
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Post by: DearReaderLaura on May 04, 2004, 11:29:43 PM
I certainly cannot put "love" into words more eloquently than the others here have, but I have been married to a really swell guy for 24.5 years, and I know he'll be around with me for many years to come.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on May 04, 2004, 11:35:48 PM
I think Jose's comments about the charts hits at the heart of what's so wrong about tonight's AI.  Once again we have the uneducated imitating the imitators, not the originators, so were getting second, third, fifth generation bland pablum masquerading as Big Band that when compared to the original is really so far removed from it, it's but a wisp of a shadow of Big Band.

Woody, I agree this batch of singers on this year's American Idol, even the competent ones, are pretty much a real "who cares"?  Nothing special!  It either says something about the judges and producers' winnowing process or it says something about the bland state of today's pop singing...I expect both.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on May 04, 2004, 11:38:09 PM
Panni, why should you remember to wish grannie a Happy Birthday, when grannie has nothing to do with her grandchild? Doesn't seem like she's trying, why should you?
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 11:46:32 PM
Ooh (hoo, spelled backwards), we are so close to two hundred postings.  Who knew?
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 11:47:16 PM
I just took a mighty long shower and I feel refreshed and clean and very relaxed.
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 11:47:38 PM
And one for Mahler.
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 11:48:40 PM
Welcome nine GUESTS.  We're talkin' about LOVE.  And devilled clams.
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 11:48:57 PM
Dansssssse Sssssalome.
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 11:50:36 PM
Panni must be writing a novel.
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 11:51:30 PM
LauraII must be writing a novelette.  Hurry you two kookie kids, otherwise the notes will change and your post might get nuked.  You have nine minutes to complete your thoughts.
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Post by: Tomovoz on May 04, 2004, 11:53:10 PM
200 posts seems so far away BK when there only a few minutes left in your day.
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Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 11:54:33 PM
Panni, why should you remember to wish grannie a Happy Birthday, when grannie has nothing to do with her grandchild? Doesn't seem like she's trying, why should you?
Because one of us should behave properly. (She's a brilliant retired university professor who writes books and has doctorates coming out of her elbow, the widow of an equally briliiant psychiatrist - but she can't figure out that maybe a grandchild might like to see her grandma once every ten years or so.)

My ex-husband's daughter (my step-daughter at one time - she was only three when I became her stepmom) is getting married this summer. My daughter was saying it's going to be quite the occasion - grandma and her best friend (her "lesbian lover" my daughter calls her - not the case, but funny), my ex-husband and his present wife, my former stepson coming back from China for the wedding (with his Chinese girlfriend), my ex-husband's ex-wife, my daughter, etc. My daughter is maid-of-honor. Her main job according to the bride is to keep her half-brother away from alcohol. The young man has a vicious temper and if he gets drunk he's going to tell the whole family to go f...k themselves. Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall at this do? (I'm invited - but guess what - I'm not going.)
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Post by: Tomovoz on May 04, 2004, 11:54:37 PM
OK! Maybe you will get there after all.
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 11:55:31 PM
I'll be happy to take it.  Five more minutes to new notes.
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 11:55:57 PM
Do you suppose that by now I've written enough notes to make a symphony?
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Post by: Panni on May 04, 2004, 11:56:42 PM
That was my novel, bk.
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Post by: Jrand69 on May 04, 2004, 11:57:09 PM
Frank Thring certainly had a gruesome death in EL CID.
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 11:57:25 PM
I do hope LauraII finishes her reply in time.  Three minutes.
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Post by: bk on May 04, 2004, 11:59:18 PM
She's not gonna make it and then she'll lose her post and she'll hate me, but I've been counting down for almost ten minutes.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on May 05, 2004, 12:00:27 AM
I've never understood why people think they should behave properly to people who treat them and theirs badly.  If people bring more misery and aggravation into your life than joy, screw 'em, I say, even if they're half-assed family.