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Title: THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 12:18:56 AM
I already tried posting this once and it didn't work - so I'll try again.  You've read today's sordid and red-hot notes, so now all that is left to do is post, post, and post again.  Sorry I'm so up, man, but that's the dolls.

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Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 12:21:33 AM
And congratulations to each and every Hainsie/Kimlet for the amazing achievement of crossing the ten thousand post line in only forty days.  On to twenty thousand, shall we?
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 12:34:40 AM
Annette of course.
But seriously; John Kerr and Dirk Bogarde were my pinup guys. Didn't really go for for the Avalons, Fabian, etc of my childhood, nor Elvis or Ricky. Bobby Darin and Bobby Vee were favourite singers in the pop world but not pin up guys. I thought Billy "Crash" Craddock was hot (He was big star in OZ for two years or so) and New Zealand's Johnny Devlin was certainly enough for me to stay home and watch the TV pop shows of the time. A special mention of course to Tommy Kirk.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Jed on December 02, 2003, 12:42:17 AM
50s and 60s heartthrobs?  A bit out of my realm here.  Heck, I grew up in the age of Paula Abdul. :D
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Noel on December 02, 2003, 12:51:43 AM
Woke in the middle of the night and thought I'd have some chance at being the first post, but no, not with those Pacific people around.
I'll go with the three people at triangle points at the end of Splendor in the Grass: I think Zohra Lampert is amazingly sexy, and figure Natalie Wood's character must appreciate that too.  These two make worthy rivals for the interest of heartthrob Warren Beatty.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Noel on December 02, 2003, 01:09:57 AM
BK said he had a question from Ira Levin's son.  Which reminded me that, long ago, my mother and the young Ira Levin went out on a few dates.  I've often wondered whether she inspired A Kiss Before Dying, and since we lived 2 blocks south of the Dakota, she might have been the model for Rosemary, too.

So, my BK question is: Does he look anything like me?
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Charles Pogue on December 02, 2003, 01:12:18 AM
I assume by heart-throbs were talking about teen idols...I mean my heart-throb from the time I was about six or seven was Sophie Loren, who doesn't fall into the category of teen idol exactly.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 02:00:03 AM
Thanks to DR Jed I shall now book into the nursing home. You could have at least mentioned heartthrobs that were in their fifties like quite a few of us dear readers. Isn't there a Mrs Robinson out there somewhere? Catherine Deneuve still has it.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 02:52:05 AM
Yes, TRIO will have episodes of QUEEN FOR A DAY at 8 pm and 11 pm EST on Wed, Thurs, Fri.  I think.  WWW.triotv.com for their complete schedule!

No, DRJANE I didn't cry this time, the first four ladies didn't have such heartbreaking stories.  Although it was nice to see the lady win and get a wheel chair and exercise bike for her son with cerebral palsy, along with a freezer, a month's supply of frozen tv dinners, aluminum cookware, a sewing machine, some fashions, makeup by Merle Norman, and a drive in a golden Imperial to Universal International for her own private screening of SPARTACUS!

Well....hmmmmmmmmmmm.....Troy Donahue and Tommy Kirk in the movies.  Elvis, of course, and Fabian in music.  And James Franciscus and Doug McClure on television.   And lots more!  The fifties and sixties were a golden time for golden boys.  ;D
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 04:30:38 AM
Ohhhhhhhhh....A Kiss Before Dying ...what a movie!

And here is your Allison Hayes Picture of the Week - she is getting tough with the help in Count Three and Pray the motion picture debut of Miss Joanne Woodward.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Kerry on December 02, 2003, 04:48:08 AM
I had the usual heartthrobs (not all exactly teen heartthrobs but the movie magazines used to feature  all agesof "Stars") -- George Nader, Tab Hunter, Rock Hudson, Tommy Kirk, Tony Perkins (esp. in "Tall Story" before Mr. Perkins became so dangerous), Don Grady, James Franciscus, Richard Chamberlain (still a fab fave), Fabian,  Paul Petersen, James Darren, Michael Callan, my good friend George Chakiris  :) all those Warner stars (esp. Van Williams).  (I envy DRMBBarnum who gets to see reruns of "Surfside 6." )

And I loved/love Kim Novak.  

I'll write more later.  The fershluganah sun isn't even up yet.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Noel on December 02, 2003, 05:00:40 AM
A Kiss Before Dying had one of those only-on-the-page "tricks" to it that couldn't be replicated on film.

DW Joy appeared many times on New York 1 yesterday, donating to the coat drive.

There's frost on the islands of Broadway.  I better put on my -- Hey, where's my coat?   ???
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: steveg on December 02, 2003, 05:47:23 AM
My 50's heart throbs were Marilyn, Liz and Sophia.

Last night a local educational channel in New York, WNYC - channel 25, ran the kinescope of the 1959 broadcast of "Kiss Me Kate" starring Alfred Drake and Patricia Morison.  It was like a trip back in time since I remember watching this broadcast live in '59 when I was 12. The show was severely abbreviated since it ran only about 1hour 15 minutes or so without commercials, but did include most of the songs.  Drake and Morison were terrific and you got a good feel of what the show must have been like when originally produced on Broadway.  Julie Wilson had the Bianca/Lois part, not Lisa Kirk, which I don't understand since Lisa Kirk is on the album that Capitol produced back in '59.  When I saw Pajama Game back in '56, Julie had taken over the lead from Janice Page but I had no recollection until seeing this of what she looked like.  Jack Klugman and Harvey Lembeck were the two gangsters and Klugman looked very young, the same as he obviously looked like in the then contemporaneous original production of "Gypsy."  He definitely looked younger than Merman did then, although she did look much better in '59 than she did just a few years later in '63 (or earlier, when filmed) when she was in "Mad....World," where she looked "old baggish" playing Dorothy Provine's mother.

Note to WEL, one of the other web sites that sells books notes that the book you were looking for, "Ever After ...," is due for publication in January, 2004.  I found it right away doing a google search as follows: "Ever After" musical book.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 05:49:34 AM
Well, in the past few days, I've posted pics of a couple of heartthrobs from my youth: Vince Edwards was definitely one. I'll be posting pics of others through out the day. Oh, bk, what a DANGEROUS can of worms you've opened with this topic. And our younger members will see some of the folks we thought were sexy when we were their ages or a bit younger.

I also have to say that bk provided my first belly laugh of the day with his channeling of VALLEY OF THE DOLLS in that paragraph on page one with song lyrics planting their trees on top of one another. Just hilarious. OK. Off to find some hunks' pics for posting.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: MusicGuy on December 02, 2003, 06:12:58 AM
 Although it was nice to see the lady win and get a wheel chair and exercise bike for her son with cerebral palsy, along with a freezer, a month's supply of frozen tv dinners, aluminum cookware, a sewing machine, some fashions, makeup by Merle Norman, and a drive in a golden Imperial to Universal International for her own private screening of SPARTACUS!

DR Jrand --   I think I just scared the hell out of Sugar, by bursting out laughing when I read the above, in reference to QFAD.  I had forgotten how wonderfully bizarrethe "prize lists" were that those poor folks got saddled with.  Yea, there was usually something that really helped them, like the wheelchair, but then the rest got so wonderfully varied.  An interesting side-note:  this Dec. 13th, I will play for a private Christmas party in southern California that is given by the owner of Merle Norman Cosmetics.  I'll see if I can get you a gift pack!
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Danise on December 02, 2003, 06:13:34 AM
Good morning all!  Isn't it nice that I can say that and not be in a rush to catch the bus?  I'm sure it is enjoying the freedom of not being caught as well.  No, Good morning-late--gotta run--for me this week.   I could get used to this way of life as I sit here in comfort with my hot cup of tea.

Good vibes to those who need them for the condo.  I hope to be moving soon to a nicer house myself.  Something a bit more modern would please me greatly.  

It's still 45 degrees here in warm, wonderful, sunny Florida, according to Weather Bug.  Do you all have the bug?  I find it most handy.  It's free and sits in the bottom right hand corner of your computer screen with the temperature.  If there’s a storm or any kind of breaking weather advisory it changes to a little flashing lady bug to let you know something is afoot.  Opps, guess I should have posted this yesterday.  Anyway I find it useful and it brings to mind a good question for the next time we can ask them–what are some of  your favorite web sites/tools–besides HHW, of course.  

As far as heartthrobs of the 50's & 60's go.  Humm, I was born at the end of the 50's so I have no memory of them and was still a bit young in the 60's as well.  I do remember the Monkees, however.
 
I have a memory of being so proud because my Dad had just bought The Monkees Headquarters album (not CD–we didn’t have CD’s back in that time for you younger folk) and a family friend was teasing me about liking Micky.  He said something about why don’t you like Davy–he’s more your height?  Which, of course, angered me to no end and the madder I got, the more I was teased.   I remember feeling very indignant about the whole thing.  

DR Noel–Lost your  coat?  Well, I hear they’re having a coat drive.  Maybe you could get one there that looks like the one you lost?   ;D

DR Ann- Glad to hear that all went well.  

BK–Hope lunch is better for you today.  There is nothing worse then biting into something you expect to be good and it turns out to be nasty.  

Well, I guess I need to go have more fun today.  I’m still chuckling over poor Bear and that car backfiring.  He so sensitive for a dog.  If we pass a house that has music playing, he’ll stop and listen.  He looks so cute when he turns his head side to side like he’s trying to figure out what’s going on.  Of course the Christmas lawn decorations have him very puzzled as well.  Brandi just seems to take everything is stride.  Nothing bothers her.

Have a good day all.  Will check back later.  

Congrats to all on passing the big 10 mark!

D
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: MusicGuy on December 02, 2003, 06:14:15 AM
OOPS....sorry DRs --  I just proved that I don't know how to use the "quote" feature correctly.  My response also appeared in the "quote" section.
 ???
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: MusicGuy on December 02, 2003, 06:23:52 AM
Dear esteemed, wired, zingy, hopped-up, reefer madness, wall-bouncing BK --

Calm, my little aspidystra, you must now take deep breaths and cast out the demons of dollitude, thereby entering a zen-like state.  Otherwise you will be locked in a room with Deepok Chopra and forced to listen to an endless tape-loop of Patty Duke trying to sing.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: William E. Lurie on December 02, 2003, 06:38:17 AM
SteveG - Thanks.  Drama Book Shop still has it listed as a November release that is now officially late.  They'll call me when it comes in.

BK - Any word on when the technical problems with the radio show will be fixed?  Since I am having problems both at work and at home I assume it is not my computers, and other DRs have posted about it too.

Teenage heartthrobs: Brandon DeWilde and the whole cast of "Spin and Marty" (especially David Stollery).
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 06:43:24 AM
Yes, I am not sure if MR BK was channeling Ms Jacqueline Susann (isn't she great) or the misses Helen Deutsch and Dorothy Kingsley, but he did a wonderful job!  ;D

DR Danise I do have the Weather Bug at home, and while it takes a bit of time to load at the beginning, it is nice to have - the local temperature is always in your tray!

DR NOEL - I think I liked the original AKBD movie because of the casting of Robert Wagner as a psychopath, Mary Astor as his mother, George MacCready as a wealthy old man, and Virginia Leith as a victim - not to mention Jeffrey Hunter as the good guy!  And the first murder is still pretty unexpected and shocking!  Gerd Oswald did a nice job directing.  Remake not so hot, but I like the 1956 movie a lot!

Well DRMG - I want the makeup travel case and the lovely Merle Norman signature compact just like the models had, and I almost forgot the Sarah Coventry "Starburst" earrings and pendant!  What a haul!  And as DRMBARNUM said last night - next Wednesday night we can see the 1958 Miss America Contest!


DRsteveg - what fun to see KMK!  Remember in the 1960's when Monsanto would present Broadway shows?  And you could go into their stores the next day and get the TV soundtrack album?  I have Brigadoon and they may have done Kiss Me Kate, too.

I will just post this picture of Jeffrey Hunter and Robert Wagner.  I think it has been on HHW before, but it is always good to see.

Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: MusicGuy on December 02, 2003, 06:43:47 AM
Now then DRs...idols, heart-throbs, etc.. ;

Well, when I was really young I think I had a crushes on Gale Storm. Ann Sothern, and Eve Arden.  I later realized that I really wanted Gale's apartment, Ann's sense of style and independence, and Eve's wonderful wit and independence.

OK, a little later it kind of got transferred to  Don Grady, David Stollery, Bobby Rydell, George Nader, Richard Chamberlain, Bob Conrad, George Chakiris, and a few others.  

It was fun living right in the middle of "old Hollywood" (2 blocks from the Capitol Record Tower) from about 1966 to 1970.  I would encounter any number of these type folks at various movie theatres, restaurants, etc., around town.  I use to eat lunch at the Vine street Brown Derby a couple times a week, and it was a wonderful spot for people watching.  

I now officially sound like an old poop, living in the past.  But you know what kids?  A lot of the people back then who had celebrity recognition, also had a lot of style, class, professionalism, and grooming that went along with just being well known.

I never once saw Mr. Stanley Kramer at his usual booth wearing a torn T-shirt, dirty jeans, and grungy sandals with dirty feet.

I'm afraid all of the changes up to the present can't all be regarded as progress.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 06:51:19 AM
OK, here's my very first crush. Sorry for the quality of the picture. It's Guy Madison.


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Post by: MusicGuy on December 02, 2003, 06:51:50 AM
 ;D  :o   :-X

Oh my God Jrand...

Do you know how quickly we all would probably be thrown out of the Living Room, if we started to suggest captions for your pic of Jeff Hunter and R. Wagner??  The look on Wagner's face is just almost too easy to caption.

But NAY !!  I shall leave well enough alone, and be a good K/K.  It's just a good thing that TD isn't commenting on that right now, and I think Oz--Tom might be asleep at the moment.

By the way, wasn't Emily (cow-eyes) McLaughlin married for a while to Jeff Hunter??

 :P
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: MusicGuy on December 02, 2003, 06:54:07 AM
DR MattH --

Well, a thousand huzzahs to you;  your pic of Guy Madison is, of course, just about the ultimate.  He almost deserves his own category above mere "heart-throb"......
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 06:59:04 AM
Yes he was!

And please share the story - if you encountered Miss Gale Storm!  8)
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 07:01:27 AM
In junior high school, it became this fine fellow: Pernell Roberts. (No cracks about all the cowboys! There were a LOT of westerns on TV back then.)


Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: MusicGuy on December 02, 2003, 07:10:26 AM
DR Jrand --    Unfortunately, I never got to meet Ms. Storm.  I did however get to meet Ann Sothern several times in later years, and she was very sweet to me.  She was visiting a friend of mine, and she would always pull up in her terribly elegant Siver Cloud I, and I remember she had a cute little dog that would wait for her out in the car.  Her daughter had a small restaurant in Hollywood for a short while, and I knew a couple of the dancer/waiters that worked there.

I thought for fun I'd post this picture of another very handsome and talented guy that I had the fun of meeting and interviewing......a few years ago...  ;)

Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 07:13:19 AM
Here's my guy somewhat older, but even in this daddy bear state, I find him sexy. And next to him is heartthrob #3: Gregory Harrison. It was SO exciting to see Gregory in the FOLLIES revival a couple of years ago. I thought he was the best of the four principals. I had tickets for STEEL PIER, too, but the show closed before I got to NYC that summer.


Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 07:18:17 AM
DR MG, I loved Ann Sothern; PRIVATE SECRETARY was a must growing up.

Always liked Johnny MAthis, too, and that super handsome fellow in the picture with him might qualify as a HHW hearthrob discovery!  :)
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 07:34:56 AM
I would love to have seen that Drake/Morison KISS ME KATE. I've often been tempted to request it at the Museum opf TV and Radio, but I have always found something else I wanted to see more.

A dear friend sent me a copy of the Mary Martin ANNIE GET YOUR GUN some years ago, and when you see things like it, KATE, WONDERFUL TOWN, BLOOMER GIRL, it makes you a little sad that TV doesn't do adaptations of Broadway any more. We're lucky when we get an INTO THE WOODS or SMOKEY JOE's CAFE for TV viewing.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 07:37:15 AM
Yes, I posted the picture without a caption on purpose because we can all just imagine it.  ::)

Ann Southern driving a Silver Cloud, how perfect.  Mr Devery would have been pleased!  Sorry you didn't meet Gale - YET!  One of the DR here at HHW has an episode or two of Oh! Susanna and My Little Margie on video!

Yes DRMATTH - that Adam Cartwright was a looker!  And yes he was good as Trapper John MD with Mr Harrison as well.  Remember they always showed Gregory in the shower during the opening credits!  ::)

The Sunset Strip guys, the Surfside Six guys, the Bourbon Street Beat guys, and the Hawaiian Eye guys....crime didn't stand a chance when Warner Bros was on the job!  ;D

TCB DID YOU WATCH YOUR TAPE YET?  Betty is getting impatient.  :o
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Post by: MBarnum on December 02, 2003, 07:42:33 AM
My first TV crush was the dad on FLIPPER as played by Brian Kelly. I was only about 5 years old.

Of 1950s teen heart throbs (I wasn't around in the 50s either Jed) I would rate Mark Damon, Gary Clarke, and John Saxon as my favorites. Van Williams would be another one. Loved Annette Funicello when I was a kid.

BK, I don't know if you were serious about an album with those names you mentioned, but wowee would that be a fun one to make!
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 07:50:39 AM
Yep, that Warner stable of young hunks was something: Ty Hardin, Robert Conrad, Van Williams. They were all gorgeous.

I never went in much for the blondes like Troy Donahue or Richard Chamberlain. The darker, swarthier guys did it for me: George Maharis, Clint Walker, that type.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 07:59:51 AM
My hearththrobs are all in the Kritzer books, especially book three, but I've mentioned most of them before: Hayley Mills, Patty Duke, Yvette Mimieux, Ann-Margret, and earlier, Grace Kelly, Brigitte Bardot (man!), Leslie Caron and only about a hundred others.

Noel:  You look EXACTLY like Ira!  Seriously, he must have gotten around because the woman who runs Reprise! also told me they'd dated.  That darn Ira.  And the book of A Kiss Before Dying is a great first novel - the movie tries to do the twist (no spoilers here) but it can't do it like the book - in the book when you reach that point you literally have to stop and go back and reread stuff to make sure there was no cheating.  Brilliant, and imitated so many times it's not even funny.

As I mentioned, just saw Zohra Lampert in a bit role in Odds Against Tomorrow.  I also worked with her in the series Doctors Hospital.
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Post by: Maya on December 02, 2003, 08:00:21 AM
GRRRR...gotta type quick, quick, quick like a winged bird on speed, cause I have to rush off to speech class to work on our group discussion project....which is a debate on the legalization of marijuana but perhaps we can switch it to dolls instead!

Favorite 50's heartthrob...BOBBY DARIN.  Dreamilicous.  

I had no idea a TV version of KMK existed...I soo have to find a copy.  Can I add Alfred Drake as my other favorite 50's heartthrob?  Really, I'm not joking here!

Gonna be late....darn it...gotta run!!!
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: MBarnum on December 02, 2003, 08:17:37 AM
I remember Zohra Lambert in the film LET'S SCARE JESSICA TO DEATH. That movie scared MBarnum to death when he was a youngun'.
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Post by: Emily on December 02, 2003, 08:22:54 AM
Maya don't forget to mention Canada in your debate!  ;)

http://pm.gc.ca/default.asp?Language=E&Page=Newsroom&Sub=FactSheets&Doc=fact_sh199906091003_e.htm (http://pm.gc.ca/default.asp?Language=E&Page=Newsroom&Sub=FactSheets&Doc=fact_sh199906091003_e.htm)

I had my last lecture today for Provincial Politics .  This class has been the best one I have taken yet at McGill with lots of interesting discussions, readings, lectures... everything was so fascinating that I had to do... even the papers were fun!  And apparently I  was not alone in this belief - the students gave the prof. a STANDING OVATION that lasted at least a couple of minutes after she dismissed us.  I have never seen that done before, but she definitely deserved it.  I think we *may* just get nicely marked on our finals. :)
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 08:36:29 AM
And Annette Funicello, of course.  She was declared that Mr Johnny Mathis, friend of DR MG, was her favorite singer and that his LP's rarely left her turntable!
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Jennifer on December 02, 2003, 08:43:05 AM
Hey re: yesterday's mention that everyday is Queen for a Day at HHW:

You guys are very funny.

BUT, I meant we should have Queen for a Day for the women of HHW who don't get to be Queens everyday :)

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Post by: Jennifer on December 02, 2003, 08:51:02 AM
DR Emily: I posted another code yesterday for amazon.ca and for chapters.ca.  Let me know if you didn't get them.
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Post by: Jennifer on December 02, 2003, 08:54:13 AM
Being born in the 70s I didn't have any heart throbs (or like BK likes to call them hearththrobs) in the 50s or 60s.  But I do remember as a young girl having posters of Shaun Cassidy on my wall.  Ooh ahhh! :)
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 08:54:37 AM

I never once saw Mr. Stanley Kramer at his usual booth wearing a torn T-shirt, dirty jeans, and grungy sandals with dirty feet.


I have to make an observation:  Where else but HERE can someone -- who "never once saw" a celebrity -- tell us what he didn't see in such amazing detail!!!!!
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 09:00:30 AM
Interesting poll from TRIO TV:

"BEST AWARDS SHOW - The best televised awards show is The Academy Awards®, which one in three Americans (32%) identified as their favorite. The Grammys came in at number two with 15% of the vote. When asked about their least favorite televised awards show, one in five polled (20%) said that the Tonys should get the hook while The People's Choice Awards with 13% of the vote didn't win favor with the people themselves. The Golden Globes took third position, with one in ten (11%) saying they weren't fans of the show."

Three per cent of those polled also thought that the Golden Globes were voted on by the US House of Representatives, which might explain Pia Zadora!  ;D
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Maya on December 02, 2003, 09:06:23 AM
Emily--as well up as I am on theatre and the arts, I often don' t know much about politics and policies.  I vaguely recall hearing that marijuana is legal in Canada for medical purposes....care to enlighten me?

Here's a question for some of the HHW youngun's, born in the seventies and eighties.  Who were your hearthrobs from those decades when you were growing up??

I will shamefully admit that I LOVED New Kids on the Block and wanted to marry Joey McIntyre.  Not knowing who Sinatra was then, I could not imagine a pair of bluer eyes.  I also loved guys like Jonathan Taylor Thomas, Brad Pitt (back in the Thelma and Louise days), and Ryder Strong (he was on Boy Meets World).  

I will say one thing about the teenyboppers these days...we just had better taste "back in the day."  What the hell do they see in Carson Daly???
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: S. Woody White on December 02, 2003, 09:11:05 AM
In response to my telling him the topic of the day,

Der Brucer: Sal Mineo and James Dean.

Myself: Eeew!  Couldn't you pick a couple of guys who are a little less dead?

 :P ::) :P
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 09:13:25 AM
I've been hearing an awful lot lately about one young woman named Paris Hilton.  Spoiled, nubile, rich and apparently terribly self-indulgent.

But I hadn't a clue what she looked like until I saw here last night on E.  And I have to tell you, I was totally amazed at how skanky she is.  That's a "now" word, yes?  Skanky?  She's skanky!  And her young nubile friends are skanky, too.  The girls look like hoes and the guys look gender-confused and bereft of fashion sensibiltities, all wearing their trousers halfway down their buttcheeks.

Now these are the people getting all the paparazzi attention.  These are the Barbara Huttons and Brenda Fraziers of today...the debs and their swains with a wild, rebellious edge to them.

And they are so dull, dull, dull.  

I suppose if one were in their company, things would be fun, fun, fun.

But reading about their exploits -- and seeing them captured on vido -- YAWN!

All this talk about heartthrobs of the 50s and 60s is what inspired this mini-tirade against today's callow/sallow youthlings.

In my day, there were heartthrobs aplenty, but there were "idols", too.  Don Schollander was an idol!  A big idol.  He won three Olympic gold medals in swimming in one Olympic games.  It was another decade before Mark Spitz won seven and pushed Schollander out of the record books.  There was James Dean, and  Elvis Presley.  THOSE were both idols and heartthrobs.

And no one has mentioned Ricky Nelson??  I may have missed it, so please don't be offended anyone if you named Ricky Nelson!!!

Hayley Mills!   Annette Funicello!  Ann-Margret!

Pat Boone!  Tommy Sands!

Tom Tryon!  Ty Hardin! Clint Walker!

Patty Duke!  Yes!  She was a Teen Idol and Heartthrob!

John Smith and Robert Horton in "Laramie"!

There was no short supply of these folks and I could add names galore.
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Post by: S. Woody White on December 02, 2003, 09:16:03 AM
On a less frivolous note, I went to see my new shrink today.  (A necessity, since he's the one writing the scrip for the meds.)  Nice fellow, I like him.  But it seems strange to have a shrink who is clearly younger than myself!

And I'm clearly going to have to get back to writing, since his reaction to my telling the general outline of my life story was "This would make a good book!"
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 09:16:51 AM
Allison Hayes appeared in a "Laramie" episode entitled The Fatal Step!

And for DRSWW as DR RON points out - some people are more fascinating dead than others are alive!
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Post by: JoseSPiano on December 02, 2003, 09:21:10 AM
Good morning... oops, it's the afternoon now here in Richmond.

Hearththrobs... Hmm... I may have to think about this one.  However, I do have to say I don't find any of today's "stars" truly handsome.  Good-looking and sexy, but rarely dashing and handsome.  But many of the stars from the 50s and 60s already mentioned on here, truly had "it".  I think a lot of it has to with the fact that a lot of the "hunkiness" and "babeness" of today's crop of stars has been created by some stylist/consultant/agent.  It gives them an artificial air.  Now I know the studio system did create a bunch of the "classic" celebrities, but at least most of them actually wanted to be in the business rather than just stumbling into it which seems to be the case today.

-I know, I know, I'm rambling... still clearing the cobwebs.  I may try to post a more coherent post tonight after the show, but I think all you DRs know what I mean.

And know that I've had some time to think about it, I always thought Gene Kelly was a heart-throb.
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Post by: Maya on December 02, 2003, 09:22:26 AM
Ron--agreed about Paris.  An old movie star, I forget which, once said that glamour is "sex that got civilized."  The problem with media darlings/It Girls today is that they have no glamour.    A few of them do though I guess...I think Sharon Stone is peerless when it comes to mixing up good old-fashioned classy allure and raw sex appeal.

Off my soapbox now....and now for a moment of cheap nostalgic thrill....

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Post by: Sandra on December 02, 2003, 09:23:00 AM
I really hate my Computers class. That's all I have to say.
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 09:28:42 AM
Speaking of Gene Kelly - has anyone read Betsy Blair's book - discussed in this article?  I didn't even know she had written an autobiography!

http://www.post-gazette.com/books/20030426kelly0426fnp3.asp
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Post by: Jennifer on December 02, 2003, 09:34:32 AM
I've been hearing an awful lot lately about one young woman named Paris Hilton.  Spoiled, nubile, rich and apparently terribly self-indulgent.

But I hadn't a clue what she looked like until I saw here last night on E.  And I have to tell you, I was totally amazed at how skanky she is.  That's a "now" word, yes?  Skanky?  She's skanky!  And her young nubile friends are skanky, too.  The girls look like hoes and the guys look gender-confused and bereft of fashion sensibiltities, all wearing their trousers halfway down their buttcheeks.


Well if you really want to see her, her reality show "The Simple Life" starts tonight at 8:30pm on Fox.  They showed a clip of it (it is her and Nicole Ritchie living on a farm).  I could not believe how dumb she came across.

Nicole Ritchie (Lionel Ritchie's daughter, and Paris' best friend) asked their home owners, "do you guys spend most of your time at Walmart" to which Paris replied, "what's Walmart, is that like a place where they sell walls".

I kid you not.

I don't care that she had never been to a Walmart. But come on, even if they don't have Walmarts in LA, wouldn't she at least have heard of it?
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Post by: Maya on December 02, 2003, 09:34:34 AM
Did anyone notice the way I spelled "glamor?"  My God, I'm turning into a Canadian!
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Post by: Jennifer on December 02, 2003, 09:39:39 AM
Did anyone notice the way I spelled "glamor?"  My God, I'm turning into a Canadian!

I'm so self-conscious whenever I write, I almost always use the American spellings.
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 09:40:13 AM
LOL....Ken Mandelbaum begins his review of the GYPSY soundtrack CD with the exact same quote I used to open my EPINION.COM review of it....LOL!

And what else is this at broadwayworld.com?  Why it's a journal of a cast member of a Broadway show!  DejaVu for HHW readers!
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Post by: Andrea on December 02, 2003, 09:41:49 AM
Dr. Maya: NKOTB: I loved them, adored them, had the dolls even ! Didn't like Jordon's rattail so I cut it off:)

But let me tell you, Barbie was much happier with them than with Ken!

60s and 70s? I was pretty much born mid 80s!

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Post by: Jay on December 02, 2003, 09:42:52 AM
He did most of his work earlier than the specified period in today's topic of the day, and certainly before my days of youth, but once I saw him in a movie, my heart has not stopped throbbing for him:  Montgomery Clift.
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Post by: Jay on December 02, 2003, 09:44:14 AM
And congratulations to Dear Reader Ann on her successful recital last night.  Next stop:  Carnegie Hall!
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Post by: Jennifer on December 02, 2003, 09:48:58 AM
Something really weird just happened. I was trying to give someone karma.  I clicked on "applaud" (and forgot to check how much karma they had), but after I did it, the "boo" feature was highlighted.

I am so sorry, if I accidently booed someone. When I am allowed to give karma again, I will just in case.

Oh and btw, it is freaking freezing here.  It's currently
-8C.  ButI don't even want to guess what it is with the windchill.  Brrrrr.  Send warm vibes please!
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Post by: Maya on December 02, 2003, 09:49:50 AM
Ann--I forgot to congratulate you!  I'm glad the recital went so well!

Dr. Maya: NKOTB: I loved them, adored them, had the dolls even ! Didn't like Jordon's rattail so I cut it off:)

But let me tell you, Barbie was much happier with them than with Ken!

60s and 70s? I was pretty much born mid 80s!



LOL...ya know...one of my girlhood friends had a crush on Danny.  I never understood it...I thought he looked like a monkey.  

Did Ken beat up all the NKOTB dolls for macking on his woman?
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 09:50:29 AM
And congratulations to Tom From Oz on scooping Ann's announcement that her recital had been a success, and then for later following up with another announcement after-the-fact.

There is a huge mystery surrounding TomFromOz and we are starting to think he may be a time traveler!
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Post by: Jennifer on December 02, 2003, 09:53:33 AM
I also really wanted to give DR Ann happy thoughts about her recital. But I cannot remember if I did. So if I didn't: HAPPY THOUGHTS FOR ANN.

And hi: Maya, Andrea, Jose, Ron, Jay and JRand!
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Post by: Danise on December 02, 2003, 10:07:38 AM
S. Woody White said:

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On a less frivolous note, I went to see my new shrink today. (A necessity, since he's the one writing the scrip for the meds.) Nice fellow, I like him. But it seems strange to have a shrink who is clearly younger than myself!

 At times it does seem like something is wrong with the world.  All those years of everyone being older than me and all of a sudden it seems in reverse.  People younger than me doing things I envy.  How did that happen?

I still remember the first time I got called Miss. Or Ma’am.   It was a shock–still shocks me .  I still say “Sir” or “Ma’am” to the check out counter  people at the grocery story and some of them are clearly only in their teens.   I don’t expect to be called Miss or Ma’am.  That's for a grown lady.   :)

Once you move into the 70's I remember more – David Cassidy, Bobby Sherman, the Osmonds–even then I had a “thing” for older men.  I didn’t want Donny–I wanted Alan the older Osmond.  I think he was 23 at the time.
 
I was also in love with Errol Flynn only to find he died about year before I was born.  Broke my heart that did.  I so wanted to grow up and marry him.  Sigh. But there were other loves waiting–Harrison Ford (Who I am proud to say I picked out the moment I saw him in American Graffiti as someone to watch) and now the 3 Michaels.

JRand said:
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And what else is this at broadwayworld.com? Why it's a journal of a cast member of a Broadway show! DejaVu for HHW readers!

Yes, but remember, this really isn’t a first for one of Robs boards.  The same was done for DOTV on the fan site last year.

Warm vibes to everyone!  I'm sorry but I hate winter.  I hate being cold.  I can handle the heat far better.

Just got a post card in the mail with an ad for some Audio books featuring James Marsters ( "Spike" from  Buffy & Angel), eh) & Jason Carter ("Marcus Cole" from Babylon 5.  Purr).  Will have to check at least one of them out.
 ;D
D
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 10:14:22 AM
Hey re: yesterday's mention that everyday is Queen for a Day at HHW:

You guys are very funny.

BUT, I meant we should have Queen for a Day for the women of HHW who don't get to be Queens everyday :)


Do you mean to tell us that being a Drama PRINCESS isn't enough for you???????
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 10:17:42 AM
Something really weird just happened. I was trying to give someone karma.  I clicked on "applaud" (and forgot to check how much karma they had), but after I did it, the "boo" feature was highlighted.

I am so sorry, if I accidently booed someone. When I am allowed to give karma again, I will just in case.

Oh and btw, it is freaking freezing here.  It's currently
-8C.  ButI don't even want to guess what it is with the windchill.  Brrrrr.  Send warm vibes please!

I am pretty sure you can UN-DO it, Jennifer.  Just go back and click on applaud...and you should see the Karma point restored.
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Post by: Andrea on December 02, 2003, 10:20:07 AM
Ann--I forgot to congratulate you!  I'm glad the recital went so well!LOL...ya know...one of my girlhood

Did Ken beat up all the NKOTB dolls for macking on his woman?

Actually.. I was so enamoured of Joe, that after my ken broke, I never got another one
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Post by: TCB on December 02, 2003, 10:32:39 AM
Please forgive spelling errors, my cold has turned into walking pneumonia.

BK – I agree with MBarnum.   I don’t know if you were kidding or not about a recording with that group of talent, but I would love to see you do it.  It would be great.

Heartthrobs, heartthrobs, heartthrobs!  So many throbs, so little time.  Brian Kelly was definitely a 10.  Chuck Conners was also on the top of the list.  Also, Doug McClure, James Drury, Robert Horton, Vince Edwards, and especially Denny Miller.  Didn’t someone mention that they knew Denny Miller?  What a hottie.

And, although he wasn’t a star of the 50s or 60s, Bruce Springsteen in his Dancing in the Dark video was damn near perfection.

Oh yeah, and what was the name of that hunk from The First Nudie Musical?
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Post by: Jennifer on December 02, 2003, 10:33:18 AM
I am pretty sure you can UN-DO it, Jennifer.  Just go back and click on applaud...and you should see the Karma point restored.

I thought you can only give or take karma to a person once every 3 days?
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Post by: Jennifer on December 02, 2003, 10:36:40 AM

Jennifer wrote:
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BUT, I meant we should have Queen for a Day for the women of HHW who don't get to be Queens everyday


Do you mean to tell us that being a Drama PRINCESS isn't enough for you???????

Ha ha. Very funny.  I like being a princess! :)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 10:48:15 AM
I thought you can only give or take karma to a person once every 3 days?

TRY it!  You can only give or take Karma every three days...but I think you can take back, or undo, a mistake.

TRY IT!  Go back to the person you mistakenly "booed" and click on "applaud" and see if the karma doesn't get restored.  That "undoes" your boo.  

I don't know if you can give another karma after that, but I think you can at least restore what was taken if you are the one who took it.
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 10:55:27 AM
Thanks DR Danise.  I read about that when I saw the WONDERFUL TOWN journal, but didn't know about it before.   That's just what DOTV needed - a little bit of internet buzz!  :P
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Post by: Jennifer on December 02, 2003, 10:56:25 AM
TRY it!  You can only give or take Karma every three days...but I think you can take back, or undo, a mistake.

TRY IT!  Go back to the person you mistakenly "booed" and click on "applaud" and see if the karma doesn't get restored.  That "undoes" your boo.  

I don't know if you can give another karma after that, but I think you can at least restore what was taken if you are the one who took it.

Well of course I tried it :)

It wouldn't let me. So either I did really "applaud" the first time. Or else you cannot restore if you made a mistake.
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Post by: William E. Lurie on December 02, 2003, 11:01:59 AM
Wasn't Zorah Lampert in "Splendor in the Grass"?

And as for "Dancing in the Dark" I'll take Fred and Cyd's version over Bruce Springstein's any day.
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Post by: Craig on December 02, 2003, 11:15:49 AM
Well as busy as I am with work - there are some definite fun moments here..  For example - I just had the pleasure of talking to, and seeing DION (of DION and the Bellmonts fame) perform in our space.  Last week MOBY was here for a party.  You just never know who's going to walk though the doors here!
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 11:16:26 AM
TCB - watch your tape!

DR Craig obviously does not work for state government.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on December 02, 2003, 11:25:30 AM
Craig,  You got to meet Dion. Wow!  I loved him with or without the Belmonts.  Great doo-wop stuff.  Lovers Who Wander, Donna the Prima donna, the Majestic, Little Diane, Teenager in Love,  scads of others...
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Post by: William E. Lurie on December 02, 2003, 11:28:41 AM
Attention Judy Garland Fans

In April (exact date not announced yet), Warner Home Video is releasing 5 of Judy's films on DVD for the first time.

The crown jewel will be a 2 disc  MEET ME IN ST. LOUIS with many extras.  Also being released are

FOR ME AND MY GAL

IN THE GOOD OLD SUMMERTIME

LOVE FINDS ANDY HARDY

ZIEGFELD GIRL

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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 11:44:52 AM
Great news DR WEL!

But when are we going to get Neely O'Hara's Love and Let Love!

It opened at the Radio City Music Hall the day after she got her Grammy for her Contribution to Music!  She sings some great new songs in it!

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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 11:58:38 AM
I have a very, very special place in my heart for "Ziegfeld Girl."

I remember seeing it as a kid and being totally blown away by all the glitz and glamour -- by Judy and her pop and all the great songs she got to sing -- by the glory of Hedy Lamarr looking ethereal at every possible moment -- and the most special impression made on me was Lana Turner, who became consumptive at the end of the film.  Her walk down that staircase before collapsing was one of THE GREAT STAR TURNS of the 1940s.  

If I recall correctly, Lana credited that scene in her biography to Roger Edens, film musical wunderkind who was the true talent at the top in the Freed Unit.  As I recall, there wasn't anything special in the original script. She was on her deathbed.  But she overhears someone talking about a big Ziegfeld review and sorrow that she cannot go.  Amazingly, Lana manages to elude her caretakers and goes to the theater.  She's broke, but hopes to get a cheap seat, and the ticketseller lets her in because "Mr. Ziefgeld wouldn't like it if I took your money."

After that, she watches a review of great Ziegfeld shows of the past, including one in which she was a major star.  Feeling ill, she gets up, leaves and collapses in the theater.

The way Edens envisioned it, the orchestra is playing the big "You Stepped Out of A Dream" number from her greatest hit and Lana, hearing it as she approaches the top of the stairs going down -- and ignoring her pain -- throws her shoulders back, lifts her head and begins her descent as she did on a spiral staircase when she was a showgirl.  She takes a few steps, falters, clutches the handrail and THEN, she collapses.

AND THAT IS SCREEN HISTORY, my friends!

For me, Judy Garland made a major leap from child/teen star to adult film star singing "I'm Always Chasing Rainbows."  

It's not exactly a major Garland vehicle, but it's top-notch soap opera dressed up in MGM musical glitz and glamour.  It features a bad-boy-with-a-good-heart performance by Jimmy Stewart.  And you won't believe how spectacular the young Dan Dailey looks as a prize fighter -- and you won't forget his line to Turner when he meets her in a skid-row bar:  "I know you!  You wuz there.  You see me when I done it!" (meaning when he won the title...she was in the first row protecting herself from blood with a newspaper).

"Yeah," Turner snarls. "I seen you when you done it."

Movie magic at its greatest!

(http://images.art.com/images/products/regular/10103000/10103944.jpg)
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Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 12:04:44 PM
Yes, broadwayworld has begun a journal.  I said it when we started Juliana's Journal that we would be imitated within weeks and there are now three or four show journals online.  It's good to be the leader, and I'm happy to show these people the way.  They should feel free to come here and usurp all of our special features (oops, they already have).  Yes, indeedy.
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 12:06:14 PM
DR RON - of the movies on your list, and they all have their charms and champions, I also look most forward to ZIEGFELD GIRL...  For the reasons you mention, and particularly for Hedy Lamarr.

My friend Patrick Agan is working on a new biography of Lamarr that will be published next year, I think - it's about time!
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Post by: Danise on December 02, 2003, 12:09:11 PM
Thanks DR Danise.  I read about that when I saw the WONDERFUL TOWN journal, but didn't know about it before.   That's just what DOTV needed - a little bit of internet buzz!  :P

LIttle bit of internet buzz.   I take it you didn't read Broadway.com very much last year.    :)

D
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 12:13:20 PM
I love your new picture DR Danise!  You are using your vacation time wisely!  It rivals DR Emily's!   ;)

I was using irony....LOL...how could I have escaped the DOTV wars?  LOL.  :P

Oh, and I keep forgetting - congratulations to DR Ann on her recital (NOT rectial) last night.  The program sounds terrific!  Something for everyone, and everything for music lovers!  ;D
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Post by: Jane on December 02, 2003, 12:18:57 PM
Yes, TRIO will have episodes of QUEEN FOR A DAY at 8 pm and 11 pm EST on Wed, Thurs, Fri.  I think.  WWW.triotv.com for their complete schedule!

No, DRJANE I didn't cry this time, the first four ladies didn't have such heartbreaking stories.  Although it was nice to see the lady win and get a wheel chair and exercise bike for her son with cerebral palsy, along with a freezer, a month's supply of frozen tv dinners, aluminum cookware, a sewing machine, some fashions, makeup by Merle Norman, and a drive in a golden Imperial to Universal International for her own private screening of SPARTACUS!


We watched the same episode last night and agree with you.  I suppose the lady who just wanted beds for her guest was bound to loose. ;)
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 12:21:58 PM
True DR Jane - and how could the model look sew-fisty-kated rolling out bunkbeds?  She barely could when she brought out the wheelchair?
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Post by: Jane on December 02, 2003, 12:25:48 PM
OK, here's my very first crush. Sorry for the quality of the picture. It's Guy Madison.




Oh yes!
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Post by: Craig on December 02, 2003, 12:32:50 PM
Ah yes.. Bruce, you are a pioneer. A pioneer and a visionary (who is also bemused) and many will follow in your footsteps....what's a feller to do...

I'm just glad you weren't the one that created fire. I can just hear subsequent conversations at your camp.

"Did you see that cro-magnon at the other camp. Did you see him make fire? You see how I made fire first and now all the tribes are making fire? No one on this planet was making fire until I made it. But that's ok...They should feel free to come here and usurp our fire  Yes, indeedy.

:)

Please note the above post is snarky, but tongue in cheek. For those who might otherwise not understand that it's meant to be humorous, it is meant to be humourous. So there ya go....
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 12:37:30 PM
The difference between us and them is that they TRY to be snarky at all times, while we are only snarky when snarkiness is called for/needed/required.

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Post by: Craig on December 02, 2003, 12:40:40 PM
Ron.. with all do respect. There is no US v. THEM. There just is what is.  How are they trying to be snarky at all times? I'm curious....
And snarky is as snarky does...
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Post by: Jed on December 02, 2003, 12:43:01 PM
Thanks to DR Jed I shall now book into the nursing home. You could have at least mentioned heartthrobs that were in their fifties like quite a few of us dear readers. Isn't there a Mrs Robinson out there somewhere? Catherine Deneuve still has it.

Well, in that case, Catherine Deneuve certainly, yes.  And Susan Sarandon, as well.
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Post by: Charles Pogue on December 02, 2003, 12:44:04 PM
TCB,  I was the one who said he knew Denny Miller.  I just got through reading a book he's written...an anecdotal memoir...so I can write a blurb for it.  What with him and BK, I'm guess I've entered my blurb-writing period.

I also worked twice with another of your heart throbs, James Drury...in THE RAINMAKER and ONCE MORE WITH FEELING.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 12:46:09 PM
TCB,  I was the one who said he knew Denny Miller.  I just got through reading a book he's written...an anecdotal memoir...so I can write a blurb for it.  What with him and BK, I'm guess I've entered my blurb-writing period.


This would be, then, your BLURBAGE!
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Post by: Jane on December 02, 2003, 12:46:58 PM
On a less frivolous note, I went to see my new shrink today.  (A necessity, since he's the one writing the scrip for the meds.)  Nice fellow, I like him.  But it seems strange to have a shrink who is clearly younger than myself!

And I'm clearly going to have to get back to writing, since his reaction to my telling the general outline of my life story was "This would make a good book!"

I’m happy you found someone you like and wholeheartedly agree you should get back to writing.  I miss your stories.

I am living in my 9th home, 8th location.  Moving can be very difficult and discouraging at times, even moves you have looked forward too.  They are great at attacking one’s self esteem and confidence.  I learned to give myself, if I didn’t move before then, two years to truly feel at home.  If it happened sooner, all the better.

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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 12:50:34 PM
Ron.. with all do respect. There is no US v. THEM. There just is what is.  How are they trying to be snarky at all times? I'm curious....
And snarky is as snarky does...

Well it sure does read that way sometimes...even in your humorous "example."

And the "them" is those folks who take potshots at "us" anyway.

Sorry if you're offended, but I was also trying to be humorous.

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Post by: Jennifer on December 02, 2003, 12:56:43 PM
Yes, broadwayworld has begun a journal.  I said it when we started Juliana's Journal that we would be imitated within weeks and there are now three or four show journals online.  It's good to be the leader, and I'm happy to show these people the way.  They should feel free to come here and usurp all of our special features (oops, they already have).  Yes, indeedy.


I don't read broadwayworld often.  But Ray Mcleod (who I know from The Wild Party) has written for broadwayworld for while, hasn't he? So having him write his thoughts in a journal isn't that different than what he was doing there before.

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Post by: Jane on December 02, 2003, 12:59:06 PM
Ron, I was about to name Ricky Nelson.  I had forgotten about Robert Horton, very good choice.

Jose, Gene Kelly was high on my list.

Other heat throbs were Ed Burns and Michael Landon.  I had a thing for Clint Eastwood in Rawhide but never after that.  I’m sure I will remember more names later.
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Post by: Jane on December 02, 2003, 01:01:10 PM
True DR Jane - and how could the model look sew-fisty-kated rolling out bunkbeds?  She barely could when she brought out the wheelchair?

How about the hammocks?  Funny images are running through my mind. :D
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Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 01:01:37 PM
I am too old to remember or it is too early in the morning here (where we spell like Canadians) but  remember that the only Western I would watch (other than "Wagon Train" for RH) was "Tombstone Territory" and now I can't remember the name of the star. Help!
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Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 01:03:47 PM
Oh, Jennifer.  We had the first online journal at a website like this, written by someone in a show - period, end of story.  All who followed saw what we'd done.  Period end of story.  And yes, it bemuses me, and yes it bemuses me.

And Craig, I think you know what Ron meant, really I do.  It's not an us vs. them - it's that the people who post on other boards ARE snarky a lot of the time, and a lot of the time it's just for snarkiness sake.  You, above all, should know this to be true.
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Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 01:04:08 PM
Furthermore, I DID invent fire.
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Post by: Craig on December 02, 2003, 01:04:21 PM
Ron.  Noted...  I believe there is a difference between BWW.COM taking pot shots and posters on the message board taking pot shots. Your humorous post (semantically) implied that the website was doing the potshotting, not its users. Just sayin...
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 01:06:00 PM
I am too old to remember or it is too early in the morning here (where we spell like Canadians) but  remember that the only Western I would watch (other than "Wagon Train" for RH) was "Tombstone Territory" and now I can't remember the name of the star. Help!

PAT CONWAY?
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Post by: Jennifer on December 02, 2003, 01:06:18 PM
Oh and I agree Danise that picture is wonderful. Made me smile!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 01:07:20 PM
I've been to Broadway Message Board...and there are some decent, intelligent, knowledgeable contributors...

Someone should lead them to the "light" that is HHW.com
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Post by: Jennifer on December 02, 2003, 01:13:26 PM
Oh, Jennifer.  We had the first online journal at a website like this, written by someone in a show - period, end of story.  All who followed saw what we'd done.  Period end of story.  And yes, it bemuses me, and yes it bemuses me.

Hey, I did not say that you were or weren't the first. I love Juliana's journal.  But I don't think you should act upset if others follow you. It was bound to happen.  It just means you had a good idea.

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Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 01:13:46 PM
Thanks Ron. My reason for watching TT was Mr Conway. Some years later I used to watch a TV show (something about a Family but I can't remember the title) just to see the wonderful Brian Keith. I always thought Mr Keith should have been cast in "The Winds Of War" with Polly Bergen instead of Robert Mitchum. (No I don't mean that Polly should have played the Robert Mitchum role - it's just early here OK)
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Post by: Jed on December 02, 2003, 01:15:01 PM
Furthermore, I DID invent fire.

LOL!  Thank you for a good laugh, BK!
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Post by: Craig on December 02, 2003, 01:17:40 PM
Bruce-

"We had the first online journal at a website like this"

Aha! The "problem" is that there IS no website like this. So in a matter of speaking, you will always be right when you use this way of measuring...

and " All who followed saw what we'd done"

That's not true either. I know for a fact that Ray has never heard nor seen this site and he was the one that kept a journal during DOTV and now this and gave it to Rob at BWW.

So.. again.. Just saying (bemusedly)
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 01:18:22 PM
I think DR Jane has coined a new word term that should come into wide usage:

HEAT THROB!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 01:18:29 PM
Thanks Ron. My reason for watching TT was Mr Conway. Some years later I used to watch a TV show (something about a Family but I can't remember the title) just to see the wonderful Brian Keith.

Was that "A Family Affair" with Keith as "Uncle Bill", Sebastian Cabot as "Mr. French", a teenaged blonde-haired girl called Sissy and two "adorable" tykes named Jody and Buffy???

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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 01:20:42 PM
DOTV?

Is that Department of Theatrical Vehicles?

Daughters of TransVestites?

Or a play on VOTD?
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Post by: Craig on December 02, 2003, 01:21:36 PM
Dance of the Vampires... where have you been Dear Ron?
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Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 01:24:28 PM
Okay, let me be specific: No other theater-oriented website (of which I think we are one) ever had a published online journal by someone in a show before ours.  Unless you are saying that a DOTV journal, called a journal, was published on broadway.com.  Sorry, you can't take that away from me.  You know it, I know it, and you can prattle till the cows come home, but I'm afraid these others are "flattering" us.
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Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 01:29:17 PM
I have to confess that I have ZIEGFELD GIRL on laserdisc, and it's one of my least watched Garland films. She's wonderful, of course, and the production is grand, but Heddy, as beautiful as she is, is a lump, and her story just drags things out. The film is too long, and I blame her!

Roger Edens wrote "Minnie from Trinidad" that Garland sings so spectacularly, I believe. Here's a surprise: ZIEGFELD GIRL is NOT an Arthur Freed production. Pandro Berman produced it!
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Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 01:35:24 PM
Indeed it was Ron. "A Family Affair". Thanks. I read somewhere that Jody was played by teen star of later years "Leif Garrett" but was never sure if this was true.
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Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 01:38:39 PM
I need dolls, man.  No, no, they can't take that away from me.  

I'm now on a quest to find that Patty sings Valley of the Dolls album - no copies on eBay at the mo.
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Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 01:40:35 PM
Leif was someone called "Bobby Granger" in "A Family Affair". It's good to comment and research my own musings.
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Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 01:40:51 PM
No sooner said than done. Here's TOMBSTONE TERRITORY and the delectable Mr. Conway.


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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 01:41:03 PM
MR BK you can download those songs from the internet!
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Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 01:43:09 PM
Um, it was called FAMILY AFFAIR. A FAMILY AFFAIR was the first Andy Hardy picture with Lionel Barrymore as Judge Hardy.
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Post by: Jane on December 02, 2003, 01:45:54 PM
Thanks Ron. My reason for watching TT was Mr Conway. Some years later I used to watch a TV show (something about a Family but I can't remember the title) just to see the wonderful Brian Keith. I always thought Mr Keith should have been cast in "The Winds Of War" with Polly Bergen instead of Robert Mitchum. (No I don't mean that Polly should have played the Robert Mitchum role - it's just early here OK)

Robert Mitchum was horrible.  I have always been a fan of Brian Keith and agree he would have been good.  I do however think Ed Asner would have been perfect.  
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 01:46:48 PM
If Mr Conway pointed his guns at me I would certainly do as I was told. Actually he would only have to suggest it. "Dont Take Your Guns To Town".
Thanks Matt.
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 01:47:03 PM
DR MATTH - isn't that strange?  Different people like different things about ZIEGFELD GIRL.  I think, as DR RON pointed out, the movie ultimately belongs to Turner - but I enjoy Hedy's story.

Do you have a favorite Hedy Lamarr movie, or are you just NOT a fan at all?
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Post by: Jane on December 02, 2003, 01:47:51 PM
I think DR Jane has coined a new word term that should come into wide usage:

HEAT THROB!

LOL.  That works for me, even if it was unintentional.
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Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 01:48:41 PM
Great casting idea Jane. The show could have been so good. I would not have cast Ali McGraw as Natalie either.
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Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 01:51:55 PM
Tastes change and my "Heat Throbs" of later years are Reuben Blades and have I ever mentioned Kevin Spacey on this site?
Are there any other fans of "The Millagro Bean Field War" out there? Wonderful music too.
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Post by: Jane on December 02, 2003, 01:59:17 PM
Great casting idea Jane. The show could have been so good. I would not have cast Ali McGraw as Natalie either.

NO WAY!!!  I would have cast Pete Duel as Byron if he had not sadly ended his life.  Now there was a heart throb.  They could have at least cast someone with charm and humor for the role, not Jan-Michael Vincent who only knew how to sulk.  It was interesting to me Ben Murphy was cast as Byron's brother when I had wanted his T.V. co star from Alias Smith & Jones as Byron.
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Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 02:01:31 PM
Hmmmmm. I just read that Len Cariou is going to do KISMET for Reprise! Now, I think Len Cariou was a wonderful actor in the 1970s (saw him in APPLAUSE and A LITTLE NIGHT MUSIC; obviously heard him on the cast albums of SWEENEY TODD and DANCE A LITTLE CLOSER), but the last couple of times he's sung in public lately, he had considerable vocal problems with pitch, sustain, and tone. And KISMET is one of the real larynx-busting scores for a baritone. Wonder whose idea it was to cast him in this role?
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Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 02:04:54 PM
DR Tom, I guess I'm just not really a Hedy fan. I can't say that I've seen every movie she made, but the three or four I have seen I didn't think she did anything in them but look beautiful.
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Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 02:09:22 PM
Jrand, I'm afraid downloading wouldn't be enough - I need to have the album in my hands, to feel it beneath my fingers, to be tactile with it, to swoon over the cover.

No, no, they can't take that away from me.

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Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 02:10:18 PM
So who's "Hedy"? I guess your comment was for Jack.
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Post by: MBarnum on December 02, 2003, 02:11:39 PM
Brian Keith has long been a favorite of mine too! Love FAMILY AFFAIR! He was good in THE WESTERNER too, which TV Land used to show.

My current heart throb is Mr. Patrick Warburton! Although Tom Selleck still looks mighty fine.
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 02:12:44 PM
Here it is for MR BK and any other brave soul....at this website, you can download Miss Patty Duke's United Artists Album...Songs From Valley of the Dolls!

http://www.topqualityrockandroll.com/mm-VODrecord.html (http://www.topqualityrockandroll.com/mm-VODrecord.html)
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Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 02:23:05 PM
DR MBarnum: Have you been watching Patrick on LESS THAN PERFECT this season in a recurring role? He's been really funny. I never got around to buying the DVDs of THE TICK, but I'd like to.
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Post by: MBarnum on December 02, 2003, 02:31:43 PM
Matth, I have never hear of Less then Perfect? Didn't even realize Patrick was on anything at this time! Doggone it!

I saw an episode of THE TICK, but thought it was horrible!

Hey, was anyone here a fan of the short lived series from about a year ago called GREG THE BUNNY?
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Post by: Jed on December 02, 2003, 02:34:19 PM
Tom - I seem to remember enjoying "The Milagro Bean Field War," but since I was only 14 or so when I saw it, I really only remember enjoying Sonia Braga. :)
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Post by: Jed on December 02, 2003, 02:43:55 PM
One of my favorite Patrick Warburton performances was on an episode of the very short-lived (only 12 episodes aired) "Hiller and Diller."  Either Kevin Nealon's or Richard Lewis' character was recounting the evening's events, making themselves out to be quite heroic.  In their dreamlike recollection, they were played by Patrick Warburton.  Warburton delivered a number of wonderfully comedic melodramatic lines, such as, "I have to go upstairs... where the fire is!" and "The children... I must save the children... for they are our future."  Not the least bit funny on the written page, but trust me, he was hilarious.
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Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 02:44:43 PM
But who could forget the Spiderwoman? Time to watch the show again Jed. I love the pacing of the show and its whimsical nature. The David Grushin score (on his "Migration" album) is beautiful. Even Melanie Griffith is OK.
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Post by: S. Woody White on December 02, 2003, 02:55:18 PM
Hey, was anyone here a fan of the short lived series from about a year ago called GREG THE BUNNY?
Der Brucer was, but he kept forgetting when it was on.  Either that, or they kept moving it.  Either way, it sure disappeared quickly.
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Post by: MBarnum on December 02, 2003, 02:59:34 PM
I LOVED Greg the Bunny. It was very original and very, IMHO, hilarious. I could never get any of my buddies or co-workers to give it a chance though, as soon as they saw that half the cast were puppets!

I keep hearing rumors of the episodes coming out on DVD, but alas, nothing so far.
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Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 03:01:32 PM
I bought SCREAM 3 because of the presences of Patrick Warburton and Patrick Dempsey.
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Post by: SwishySarah on December 02, 2003, 03:02:53 PM
Hello, fellow DR's. I haz just returned from a long, coffee filled day. I had 4 Starbucks coffees today, isn't that sad? I got one this morning, on the way to school. After first period, I went into my old science teacher's room for our weekly chit-chat, and his wife (aslo a teacher at the school) had brought him a coffee he didn't want. So I took it. Later, during lunch, a friend of mine was sneaking out to grab some food and wanted to know if I wanted to go. So we drove over to Starbucks, and I got yet ANOTHER coffee. After school, I went to Borders to get a book for History, and when my mom pulled up in the car, she had gotten me a coffee. You'd think I'd be sick of them, but no. Peppermint Mochas are wonderful.

50's heartthrobs? Well obviously, I didn't like them in the 50's, but Gene Kelly is wonderful. Just so classy and handsome and *drool*.

Maya: I was in love with Matthew Broderick for the majority of 4 years. I watched FERRIS BEULLERS DAY OFF every day. Don't remember WHEN that was, but I loved him. He was so dreamy :).

Ron: I completely agree with you about Paris Hilton. She is a skank, born into money, with no obvious morals whatsoever. And she is NOT an idol to anyone today, I promise. I actually think she's kind of funny looking.

Jose: Now, every time you post, I'll have a stupid grin on my face for a few minutes. You have quite an infectious smile!

I'm listening to the Kelly Clarkson CD. I love her voice...but she has a riffing problem. As in she NEVER STOPS RIFFING. I don't even MIND it when someone does it a few times per song or whatever. But she can't even let a note go by without shaking her voice. It's SO weird!

Oh, and I am officially the "female half" of a duet in my show choir. I'm kind of surprised that I got it, but I guess it's exciting. Sometimes I wish I didn't get these things though.

Ann: CONGRATS ON YOUR RECITAL!! You are the champion :).
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 03:08:05 PM
I like Patrick Warburton a lot in a movie called The Woman Chaser, about a car salesman in 1960's Hollywood who is trying to make a movie.

My video is in B/W, but I saw it on cable and it's in color!  Strange....but Patrick is great!  And he does ballet!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 03:13:15 PM
Dance of the Vampires... where have you been Dear Ron?

Immersed in other pursuits, I guess.  
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Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 03:15:16 PM
So who's Kelly Clarkson Sarah ? Is she these year's Mariah, Britney or ? I use to try and keep up with all the latest (until I retired from teaching) by watching video hits or whatever but I found most of the female singers could well have been the same person. Have not really found anyone "interesting" since Sheryl Crow. I don't even find Norah Jones' voice very interesting. It is so long since I heard a new "pop voice" that said "must have" in my collection. Michelle Branch seems to have possibilities.
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 03:18:10 PM
DR Tom, I guess I'm just not really a Hedy fan. I can't say that I've seen every movie she made, but the three or four I have seen I didn't think she did anything in them but look beautiful.


Beautiful was what she did best!  That's all I remembered about her in this film from childhood....mesmerizing beauty!!

She was a "movie star", not an actress!!

:)
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 03:24:23 PM
DR TomFromOz:  Jody, the little red-headed boy, was played by Johnny Whitaker.  The little girl who played Buffy (with her Mrs. Beasley doll) (and whose name I forget) died of a drug overdose in her late teens/early 20s.

Kelly Clarkson won the first "American Idol" competition.  Her runnerup was, amazingly, Justin Guarini.  

They made a movie that opened and closed in about 15 seconds and is now languishing on video store shelves.  It's title:  "From Justin to Kelly With Love."

Gag-o-rama!
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Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 03:25:21 PM
Since Sarah's not online at this moment, I'll answer for her. Kelly Clarkson was the first winner of AMERICAN IDOL.
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Post by: Maya on December 02, 2003, 03:26:27 PM
SWW--I also enjoyed Greg the Bunny.  Even before Avenue Q, something about the idea of puppets and kiddie show characters acting vulgar and humanlike just struck me as sooo funny.  My favorite character was Count Blah.  

Swishy--Matthew Broderick has always been adorable, yes!  And I totally agree about Gene Kelly...he had a great butt.

Congrats on the duet!  I'm sooo proud of my lil sis!
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Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 03:26:30 PM
Anissa Jones was Buffy on FAMILY AFFAIR.
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 03:33:29 PM
DR Kerry - email me your snail mail address.
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Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 03:36:07 PM
Thanks Matt & Ron I won't rush out and look in the CD stores! Australia's first winner is now on some disc out there - I don't watch as the whole idea is "so manipulative". I checked out the Leif Garret site on the NET and have immediatley forgotten who the Family Affair kids were. I didn't forget Brian Keith though!
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 03:45:06 PM
Leif Garrett's sister Dawn Lyn played the repulsive Dodie, the young adopted daughter on MY THREE SONS when Steve Douglas married Barbara!

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Post by: Emily on December 02, 2003, 03:48:50 PM
The last paper (until January at least) is on page 7.  I need at least three more.  

Send me paper writing vibes everyone!!!!

:D
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Post by: MusicGuy on December 02, 2003, 04:02:34 PM
DR Ron --  

Well, you have thrown me into an absolute grammatical conundrum.......and have re-read my original post (about Stanley Kramer's attire) so many times that it indeed doesn't make sense at all. SOOOO,  let me state it, hopefully, a much better way:

In all of the many times that I saw Mr. Stanley Kramer eating lunch at the Bown Derby, he was never wearing a torn T-shirt, grubby jeans, or sandals.  He was a very striking dresser, and also a very handsome man with beautifully groomed salt & pepper hair.

Whew......I hope that's better!  I'd hate to flunk English I here at the Univ. of HHW .  
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Post by: MusicGuy on December 02, 2003, 04:03:35 PM
Obviously, the "Brown Derby".... :-\
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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 04:05:20 PM
Oh, I don't know, DR MG.....I thought the Bown Derby was just down the street from Gauman's Chinese Theater or at least across the street from the Moulin Rug.
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Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 04:15:24 PM
Do you pronounce that "derby" or "darby"? I think brown is OK. I am glad it was not gray/grey.
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Post by: MusicGuy on December 02, 2003, 04:15:54 PM
Dear Jack --

You are tuly waped, .....and a teasure!!

 ;D
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Post by: Noel on December 02, 2003, 04:16:57 PM
Knowing people who worked on both, I can state that Avenue Q was around a long time before Greg the Bunny.  In fact, I saw this charming musical at the York in 1999 and have been going on and on about it ever since.

The U.S. Congress votes for The Golden Globes?  I knew they did something... I'll have to call Mr. Rangel and ask him Why Pia?

Amazingly, I'll be playing both shows Saturday night at Chicago City Limits.  And they tell me the theatre's on First Avenue, across the street from Bed Bath & Beyond.  I told them when last I was there, there was no Bed Bath & Beyond.

www.WeddingMusical.com should be ready to accept credit card orders any day now.

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Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 04:20:25 PM
LOL
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Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 04:22:18 PM
And the word "derby" is not used in Australia except as a horse race. Ah! "The Brown Horse Race".
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Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 04:29:31 PM
I need dolls, man.
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Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 04:32:05 PM
I need to get a life. A chance to mix up my Sondheim quotes "does anyone still wear a bowler hat". (Company/Pacific Overtures). I could not remember what term we used for Derby in OZ. I had to consult my Reader's Digest Reverse Dictionary.
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Post by: Jane on December 02, 2003, 04:34:37 PM
SS-paper writing vibes to you.  I’m sure you will do well.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 04:44:11 PM
I still have ninety minutes of viewing for homework, but I do think I've already seen some of the footage so I'm hoping that it won't take more than forty-five minutes.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Maya on December 02, 2003, 04:47:20 PM
Noel--Yeah, I do recall reading that Avenue Q had something of a lengthy gestation period.  Sometimes shows and movies with similar ideas behind them are just developed around the same time...synchronocity, I guess.  i.e.  The Wild Parties and those two movies coming out about the First Daughters starring Mandy Moore and Katie Holmes.  Even though Avenue Q and Greg the Bunny did have different concepts, just more of a similar spirit.

Good vibes, Em!

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Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Ann on December 02, 2003, 05:11:27 PM
Something I must remember...even if the cute black boots look REALLY good with the outfit, do NOT wear them on a day you have to stand at a cash register for three hours.  My feet are angry with me...
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 05:36:55 PM
My feet are angry with ME, hence I've taken some DOLLS.  I'll be getting out of here soon.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Kerry on December 02, 2003, 06:08:10 PM
Heartthrobs
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Kerry on December 02, 2003, 06:09:08 PM
Neeellyy!!!!!    Neeeelly O'Hara!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 06:11:35 PM
DR Kerry - those are definitely HEAT THROBS!
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Jrand73 on December 02, 2003, 06:13:36 PM
DR Ann - I feel your pain.  After MANY years in retail - I learned several hours on your feet is not the best try-out for a pair of shoes, boots, or sandals!   :'(
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: TCB on December 02, 2003, 06:20:12 PM
DR Tom, I guess I'm just not really a Hedy fan. I can't say that I've seen every movie she made, but the three or four I have seen I didn't think she did anything in them but look beautiful.

Sadly, I have often received that same criticism.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 06:30:05 PM
So you did star in the title role for "Hello Dolly". Fagin the Beautiful has a nice sound.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: TCB on December 02, 2003, 06:36:36 PM
I am off to Pick a Pocket, and I just hope I don't faint in the process.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 06:46:01 PM
My email has just gone "off the air". We have had so much stormy weather. My cell phone will not register anything either. I am almost all alone in the world. At least this contact is still here. A sleepless night last night - electrical storms and the worst flooding in Melbourne in a century. (I live in the hills and at least they are still alive with the  sound of..).
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 06:54:41 PM
It seems as though we've been on page six for hours and hours.  Whatever Happened to Page Seven?  Whatever Happened to Paige O'Hara?  Whatever Happened to Neely O'Hara?  Whatever Happened to Scarlett O'Hara and Catherine O'Hara and Maureen O'Hara?
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Joy on December 02, 2003, 06:58:54 PM
I dislike Page Six, as I dislike all mean-spirited gossip columns, so I post in the hopes that I can push us onto Page Seven.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: George on December 02, 2003, 07:00:54 PM
Okay, okay...here's page 7!
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: SwishySarah on December 02, 2003, 07:01:39 PM
Whooooooooo's got a clean room?

Oh!

I know!

SWISHY'S got a clean room!!!

*does the clean room dance*

No more cleaning for me, no sir. I loooooath cleaning. The vacuum is not my friend. We iz not friends no more.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 07:03:11 PM
Say, I've got an idea.  Okay "I've got an idea".

No, no... I've got an idea -

Let's play the Name Game!

Go!
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Ann on December 02, 2003, 07:03:35 PM
I'm not sure where the mean spirited gossip is, but I'll post this in hopes of moving to page seven so I can get out of widescreen view, which is what I dislike about page six
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Ann on December 02, 2003, 07:07:49 PM
Oops...too late...oh well :)

Name Game?
I have a name game story.  Does everyone know that name song that preschoolers like to sing?  It goes something like this, using my name -

Ann ann bo ban
banana fanna fo fan
me my mo man
Ann

Hope everyone knows what I'm talking about.  Anyway, a while back I was working in a daycare center, and that was one of the usual daily "circle songs" that the kids sang every day to help learn everyone's names.  Until one day when we got a new boy in there named Tucker...then the song mysteriously went away... :D
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Joy on December 02, 2003, 07:12:44 PM
Oh well, it didn't work.  Maybe this time.

I have finally caught up (more or less) with the last several days, and here is what I have to say on what I have missed:

RE:  Hotels
I had my Bachelorette Party at the Hotel Edison, and the fact that we received not one single call from the front desk to shut the hell up should tell you something.  It was the perfect place -- not too seedy, but seedy enough to look the other way from girls making several trips up the elevator with bags of liquor and...er...party favors, not to mention hot black strippers.

RE:  Detectives
Sherlock Holmes, with whom I spent many a long, cozy night on the floor by the wood stove when I was a young 'un.   Consider the immortal words:

"Life is infinitely stranger than anything which the mind of man could invent."

On hope:
"There's an east wind coming all the same, such a wind as never blew on England yet. It will be cold and bitter, Watson, and a good many of us may wither before its blast. But it's God's own wind none the less and a cleaner, better stronger land will lie in the sunshine when the storm has cleared."

On the existence of a higher power:
"Our highest assurance of the goodness of providence seems to me to rest in the flowers. All other things, our powers, our desires, our food, are really necessary for our existence in the first instance. But this rose is an extra. Its smell and its color are an embellishment of life, not a condition of it. It is only goodness which gives extras, and so I say again that we have much to hope from the flowers."

On men:
"Evil indeed is the man who has not one woman to mourn him."

On women:
"And yet the motives of women are so inscrutable . . . Their most trivial action may mean volumes, or their most extraordinary conduct may depend upon a hairpin or a curling-tongs."


RE:  Debbie Gravitte
Although I am sure I would like her in person, I cannot stand to hear her sing.  I find her voice grating for some reason.  But I love to listen to Patti Lu.  Go figure.

RE:  From Justin to Kelly
I freely admit that I saw this trifle of teen trash, and although I was entertained by it, I would NEVER recommend it to anyone, ever.  But I'm glad I saw it.  Swishy, I agree with you -- too much damn riffing.  That's why I can no longer bring myself to support Clay Aiken.  After he butchered poor "Vincent"... shudder.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Joy on December 02, 2003, 07:14:29 PM
DR Ann, the "mean-spirited gossip" I refer to is the "Page Six" of the New York Post.  Sorry, should have better explained that New York reference.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Danise on December 02, 2003, 07:15:16 PM
I was just about to post and I hit the refresh button by accident and lost the whole post.  Aggggh!!!    I’ve been side tracked ever since so I’ll try to post this once again.  Hope I can remember everything I said the first time.


I love your new picture DR Danise!  You are using your vacation time wisely!  It rivals DR Emily's!   ;)

I was using irony....LOL...how could I have escaped the DOTV wars?  LOL.  :P

Oh, and I keep forgetting - congratulations to DR Ann on her recital (NOT rectial) last night.  The program sounds terrific!  Something for everyone, and everything for music lovers!  ;D


DOTV wars   I remember I got chewed out royal on another board at another time long ago for making that reference but I guess this is a good time to say that I'm glad that you and Jennifer like my new picture.  I think it does a good job of hiding the eye patch and the peg leg.
(http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/lachen/laughing-smiley-014.gif)

Us vs them.  Here vs there.  I'm somewhat of a veteran in that regard as well.  When Broadway.com was shutting down and Broadway World was just starting up there was a lot of that kind feeling.   I posted on both boards because I had friends on both and saw no problem with talking to either one.  I just made it a point to not carry tales from one board to the other.  Same now.  I talk to people here, I talk to people there.  I don't talk to people there about here and I don't talk to people here about there unless they post on both boards like I do.  I think there are some very nice people on both boards.  

So far as the journal goes, I can't honestly say who started writing one first--I didn't know about this board until a few months ago but I do know that Ray did do one last year for DOTV on another of Rob's boards--www.dotvfans.com which was pre-Broadway World. I don't remember any kind of journal on Broadway.com but I could be mistaken.

I think that's most of what I said the first time.

D


Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Ann on December 02, 2003, 07:16:21 PM
Ahh, I see.  Thanks Joy :)
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Joy on December 02, 2003, 07:24:31 PM
And as far as all the drama lately, I just have one thing to say:
(http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/sauer/angry-smiley-019.gif)

But seriously, folks, this isn't the Springfield Junior High School cafeteria, is it?  Who gives a hoot who did what first, or how many posts we have, or what our status is?  You know what makes this board superior to others?  Lack of flame wars.  Respect for the opinions of others.  A genuine love and compassion for each other.  So let's keep it that way and not act like a bunch of bratty 13-year-olds, whaddya say.

(http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/liebe/love-smiley-013.gif)
Come on, people now, smile on your brother!
Everybody get together; try to love one another right now.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Joy on December 02, 2003, 07:26:26 PM
I never liked the name game because people would take the opportunity to call me Joy the Boy.

Joy boy bo boy
Banana fanna fo foy
Me my mo moy
Joooooy
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Danise on December 02, 2003, 07:33:57 PM
Yes, I'd much rather do this:

(http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/aktion/action-smiley-031.gif)

Than this:

(http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/travesmilies/smilie_fluester.gif)

or this:

(http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/travesmilies/smilie_auslachen.gif)

or this:

(http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/spezial/Fool/box2.gif)

D
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Joy on December 02, 2003, 07:34:33 PM
So here I am, still at work at 10:32 p.m., having stayed late to work on a brief that's due this week.  I finished at around 9:00, but I'm waiting for the car service, which seems to be very busy right now.  So I guess I'll just keep posting away...

So, anyone have a job for me in LA during December 22 - January 9?  (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/grinser/grinning-smiley-035.gif)
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Joy on December 02, 2003, 07:34:57 PM
Well said, Danise.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Joy on December 02, 2003, 07:40:17 PM
Oh yes, heartthrobs...

Can't do anything with the 50s and 60s, but I will admit to you that I had crushes on the following 80s heartthrobs:
Ralph Macchio (sp?)
Kirk Cameron (sort of)
Tom Cruise (SO obvious - but I loved the man and I had every pinup that was published from 1985-1988 of him on my wall.  There was no room for paint.)
Michael Douglas (had a thing for older men)
Harrison Ford (there it is again)
Marc Singer (from "V", anyone remember "V"?)

And that's pretty much it.  When I got older, around college age, I added Patrick Stewart to my list.  Although I didn't have any pinups.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 07:42:47 PM
DR Joy: In defense of Clay Aiken, "Vincent" was his single worst performance on "American Idol".  He said he wasn't fond of the song and it wasn't something he felt he could sing, but they selected it for him.  

Now I happen to think he "could" sing it extremely well...if he got it!  Why he doesn't get it is beyond me.

But everything else he sang was golden, IMO.

Sadly, this is not my opinion of his first CD.  One listen-through and I'm done with it.

I do strongly urge folks to check out Harlemm Lee!!!!!
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Michael on December 02, 2003, 07:44:26 PM
And congratulations to each and every Hainsie/Kimlet for the amazing achievement of crossing the ten thousand post line in only forty days.  On to twenty thousand, shall we?

40? That's so bibical
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Danise on December 02, 2003, 07:44:59 PM
Well said, Danise.

Thanks, Joy.  I hope you get to go home soon!  Be safe!

Quote
Posted by: Joy  Posted on: Today at 10:40:17pm  
Oh yes, heartthrobs...

Can't do anything with the 50s and 60s, but I will admit to you that I had crushes on the following 80s heartthrobs:
Ralph Macchio (sp?)
Kirk Cameron (sort of)
Tom Cruise (SO obvious - but I loved the man and I had every pinup that was published from 1985-1988 of him on my wall.  There was no room for paint.)
Michael Douglas (had a thing for older men)
Harrison Ford (there it is again)
Marc Singer (from "V", anyone remember "V"?)

And that's pretty much it.  When I got older, around college age, I added Patrick Stewart to my list.  Although I didn't have any pinups.
 

Yes I remember "V" and Marc "Beast Master" Singer

Harrison Ford--Great minds think alike there.   :)

I like Patrick Stewart but not sure he has "hunk" appeal.

D


Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Michael on December 02, 2003, 07:45:38 PM
Woke in the middle of the night and thought I'd have some chance at being the first post, but no, not with those Pacific people around.
I'll go with the three people at triangle points at the end of Splendor in the Grass: I think Zohra Lampert is amazingly sexy, and figure Natalie Wood's character must appreciate that too.  These two make worthy rivals for the interest of heartthrob Warren Beatty.

BK worked with Zohra Lampert on the opening episode of Doctor's Hospital or whatever is was called.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 07:46:48 PM
I dislike Page Six, as I dislike all mean-spirited gossip columns, so I post in the hopes that I can push us onto Page Seven.

What on earth on Page 6 was mean-spirited?  The worst thing that I read was that a character on a TV series was "repulsive" or something...not a person, but a character.

Have I misread something?  Was this a joke that went sailing over my head?

Somebody help me figure out what was wrong!
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Danise on December 02, 2003, 07:46:51 PM
But he (Patrick Stewart) does have the same B-day as Harrison Ford, July 13th, if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Jay on December 02, 2003, 07:55:54 PM
What on earth on Page 6 was mean-spirited?  The worst thing that I read was that a character on a TV series was "repulsive" or something...not a person, but a character.

Have I misread something?  Was this a joke that went sailing over my head?

Somebody help me figure out what was wrong!

Dear Reader Ron--

You're skipping posts again.  Tsk, tsk.

As Dear Reader Joy clarified, her allusion was to Page Six (with its infamous gossip column) of the New York Post, not page six of the Haines His Way dot com Discussion Forum.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 08:00:25 PM
Dear Reader Ron--

You're skipping posts again.  Tsk, tsk.

As Dear Reader Joy clarified, her allusion was to Page Six (with its infamous gossip column) of the New York Post, not page six of the Haines His Way dot com Discussion Forum.

I have an excuse...I'm not a well person.

I left work early feeling feverish, achy and nauseous.

I napped a bit and have been catching up with blurry eyes and a scratchy throat.

What?  Whaddayamean ya ain't buyin' it?

I'm tellin' ya I'm not a well person!

But, you are correct.  I missed that one teensy tinsy post about the New York Post.

Thanks for keeping me grounded, Jay!
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Post by: Michael on December 02, 2003, 08:03:34 PM
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Post by: MBarnum on December 02, 2003, 08:18:03 PM
Thank you Michael Shayne, oh yes, thank you!  :)

And that reminds me that I would add Gary Conway to my list.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Jay on December 02, 2003, 08:27:52 PM
So, like, am I the only person here who saw Beefcake?  (The movie, Dear Readers, the movie.)
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Post by: Jay on December 02, 2003, 08:28:47 PM
Chicken soup, Dear Reader Ron, chicken soup.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 08:33:11 PM
Here's a little bit more information about CLay AIken's rendition of "Vincent." Fifteen minutes before the show began that night, the producers changed the arrangement of "Vincent" cutting a different part of the lyrics than he had been practicing for three previous days. He didn't even have a chance to sing the new version with any accompaniment before the show started. He was trying during his backstage time to learn the altered cuts in the song, and that's why he went up on the lyrics during the live broadcast. When I found that out, I completely eliminated "Vincent" from my mind as dirty pool on the part of the show's producers. As far as I'm concerned, his renditions of every song during his weeks on the show were simply astounding.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 08:36:54 PM
No, I saw BEEFCAKE. Wasn't wild about it, but it was kind of fun for a quasi-documentary. I wanted it to be more revelatory, if you know what I mean.

Speaking of beefcake, here's the infamous beefcake picture of George Nader that sent Universal into panic mode because his bathing suit is SO skimpy.


Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: MusicGuy on December 02, 2003, 08:53:49 PM
Even though I know there is a one hour time difference, it still seems awfully late for Master Bruce to not be to his palatial Studio City Mansion by now.  Those mean cable TV persons are just extending the workday way too far into the night.

If anyone wants to see classic sensitive teen-idoldom, just watch an early episode of "The Young Lawyers" which featured a character named Walter, who was thinking of going to Canada so as not to be drafted.  It was played by a very heart-throbby young actor.  Such a face!!
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Matt H. on December 02, 2003, 09:02:04 PM
Well, I must call it a day, good HHW friends. Enjoyed all the heartthrob photos today; thanks to everyone for sharing.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 09:02:25 PM
Always liked this young fellow who does not seem to age at all.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 09:10:21 PM
I'm home - I posted the Name Game post from home - but then I had to view footage, which I'm now through doing.  I'm gonna relax and nibble on some food and then I'll return and hopefully there'll be some more players of the name game.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 02, 2003, 09:26:47 PM
Was excited to discover the first of the new Horatio Hornblower adventures was airing tonight (the second airs tomorrow night) on A&E.

There is a commercial break right now...and it's a great story, extremely well done, and Ioan Gruffudd gets more commanding every time I see him as Hornblower.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Charles Pogue on December 02, 2003, 09:49:45 PM
Joy, I do remember Marc Singer and have actually met him a couple of times.  If you have never seen it, I suggest you see the American Conservatory Theatre's version of TAMING OF THE SHREW in which Mr. Singer starred as Petruchio.  It is quite the best version of the play I have ever seen...a wildly athletic, exhuberant, and very funny production.  And for all those beefcake fans, Mr. Singer is barechested through a great deal of the show.   I believe he also played Christian in ACT's version of CYRANO which is also on tape and DVD.
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: George on December 02, 2003, 10:06:38 PM
Here's my guy somewhat older, but even in this daddy bear state, I find him sexy. And next to him is heartthrob #3: Gregory Harrison. It was SO exciting to see Gregory in the FOLLIES revival a couple of years ago. I thought he was the best of the four principals. I had tickets for STEEL PIER, too, but the show closed before I got to NYC that summer.

And speaking of Gregory Harrison, I don't remember where I got this picture, but this is just too priceless:
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: George on December 02, 2003, 10:19:52 PM
Joy, I do remember Marc Singer and have actually met him a couple of times.  If you have never seen it, I suggest you see the American Conservatory Theatre's version of TAMING OF THE SHREW in which Mr. Singer starred as Petruchio.  It is quite the best version of the play I have ever seen...a wildly athletic, exhuberant, and very funny production.  And for all those beefcake fans, Mr. Singer is barechested through a great deal of the show.   I believe he also played Christian in ACT's version of CYRANO which is also on tape and DVD.

Isn't it amazing what one finds when one is looking for something else?
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 10:33:20 PM
Wow, four posts in an hour-and-a-half.  Sleepyville here at haineshisway.com
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: JoseSPiano on December 02, 2003, 10:48:33 PM
Good evening/morning...

Good show tonight.  The only "weird" thing was that the pacing seemed faster, and some of the song tempos were a little brighter... but, somehow, the show ran two minutes longer than usual - ????  Ah, well... But it was a good show for a Tuesday back.

And after the show, I ran into Joe Langworth.  He was in South Pacific last year at Arena.  Real good guy - and easy on the eyes too!   ;D  Plus, he does yoga!  :P  In any case, he came to see the show tonight since he's on vacation from the Millie tour.  He's on tour with Juliana!  He finished up the week in Cincinatti, and he'll rejoin the tour in another week when they're in St. Louis.  *And he spoke very highly of Juliana, and said she did a wonderful job when she went on Thanksgiving Day.

In other news...

DR Sarah - Thank you!  Now if I can just my pic to not be so fuzzy - ???

To those DRs without fuzzy pics - Are the images you uploaded of yourselves in JPEG or GIF format?

DR George - I remember that pic of Gregory Harrison!  It was from that TV movie where he played an actor who had just moved to New York.  Unfortunately, his career doesn't take off like it did in his dreams, so he ends up taking off his clothes at a male strip club.  I remember the TV movie generating a lot of buzz at the time - and it still pops up from time to time on various channels at various times of the night.  Of course, the world of a male stripper turns out to be filled with some seedy goings-on, and after a close call at the club, he returns to the pursuit of his dream.  Ah... Ain't TV grand?   ;)  *Of course, I remember trying to discreetly watch it when it came on the first time - I was in high school at the time...  -What was that about "heat throbs"?  :P

As for Marc Singer - He always seemed a little "alien" to me - before and after "V".  I also seem to remember a couple of interviews with him, and he always seemed to have an issue when it came to revealing his age - ???

Oh, here's Joe's pic from the Millie site:
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: Tomovoz on December 02, 2003, 10:55:35 PM
Jose: I had so much trouble with photos. The one I have at he moment was tried earlier and didn't work - I did not change it! It is JPEG. The orginal was taken with a digital camera (friend James). And my point is: try the same one again it might be clearer - maybe it's the weather!
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 10:56:19 PM
Well, I do believe I just got me some DOLLS - the LP of Patty Duke sings songs from VOTD - it was available rather inexpensively right there on amazon.com z shops.  I can't wait!
Title: Re:THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY OF THE DOLLS
Post by: JoseSPiano on December 02, 2003, 11:00:07 PM
DR Tom from OZ - What fond memories that pic brought back!  It was my first real trip to NYC to see shows.  I saw Brighton Beach Memoirs Tuesday night, and then caught the Wednesday matinee of Biloxi Blues the next day - standing room.  It was still in previews.  Matthew Broderick was great.  However, Barry Miller and Alan Ruck were wonderful too.  And Bill Sadler as Toomey... He could order me around any time.  ;)  Oh, and Penelope Ann Miller was Daisy - I didn't think she was much of an actress back then, and still don't think she's much of one now.  And Rowena was played by Randall Edwards.  Of course, the only person who did not come out to the stage door between shows was Mr. Broderick... Hmm.. Where is that program?
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Post by: George on December 02, 2003, 11:20:35 PM
Good evening/morning...

DR George - I remember that pic of Gregory Harrison!  It was from that TV movie where he played an actor who had just moved to New York.  Unfortunately, his career doesn't take off like it did in his dreams, so he ends up taking off his clothes at a male strip club.  I remember the TV movie generating a lot of buzz at the time - and it still pops up from time to time on various channels at various times of the night.  Of course, the world of a male stripper turns out to be filled with some seedy goings-on, and after a close call at the club, he returns to the pursuit of his dream.  Ah... Ain't TV grand?   ;)  *Of course, I remember trying to discreetly watch it when it came on the first time - I was in high school at the time...  -What was that about "heat throbs"?  :P

Jose, thanks for the info.  I also have this picture and had NO idea what it was about!   ;)
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Post by: bk on December 02, 2003, 11:30:17 PM
Enough with the Gregory Harrison photos.  Blechhh.  Aren't they from a TV movie he did about Chippendale's?  I have never understood the appeal of Mr. Harrison, who was, I thought, a lightweight actor always, but especially in the revival of Follies.

Look, we were just Room 222 until this post made us 223.  If you want to reach higher, do it quickly for I shall post new notes in but a half-hour.
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Post by: George on December 02, 2003, 11:45:46 PM
Don't worry, those are the only GH photos that I have.  I'll never need to post them again.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on December 02, 2003, 11:54:42 PM
Don't worry, those are the only GH photos that I have.  I'll never need to post them again.

You're all out?  No more?   :(

 ;)

That series of photos looks like it was done for a magazine.  Most definitely "posed" and not from the TV movie.  I think he "played" a cop, Zorro, and.. ???  I also think Jeff Conway was in it too.  -Don't need pics of him.  Maybe his "Taxi" pal, Tony Danza...
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Post by: JoseSPiano on December 03, 2003, 12:01:15 AM
Oh - this may have already been noted - and I may have missed it - but the revival of Nine will be closing December 14.  Let the winter house cleaning begin!
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Post by: Ron Pulliam on December 03, 2003, 12:05:48 AM
Actually, Marc Singer costarred with Harrison in that film.  Singer's role was as an out-of-control drug user who dies.