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« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2004, 10:29:29 AM »

Am I the only person who thinks this has to be one of the scariest situations to be in?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/02/03/student.death.ap/index.html

They have LOCKED the students in their classrooms.  

It's not quite like it seems.

A “lock down” is a police measure to protect potential victims until the authorities can search an area for a perpetrator. It is not a punitive measure.

The “lock down” isn’t scary, it means the police are doing their best to protect the kids. The scary part is the unexplained dead student.

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« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2004, 10:29:53 AM »

Penny---
Can you tell my why NYCO insists on doing MAGIC FLUTE in English while they do other operas in the language in which they were written ?  I know that when the current production was new it was sung in German (I have the tape from PBS) but when I went to see it last fall it was back to English.  Thanks.

If I may chime in here... If I recall correctly, it has to do with the translation they are using... the copyright, and, thus, the royalities.

*Now, does NYCO have the dialogue in English and the songs in the original German?  -I've seen and heard a few productions done this way - it works for me.

It's like when a company wants to use some of those Ruth & Thomas Martin translations that appear in the G. Schirmer scores... The music is long out of copyright, but the translation is not!  -Which is also why most companies "commission" a new one for their own use, and that "commissioning" usually consists of sitting down with various other translations and "getting ideas" from those to put into their new one.

-My favorite "Magic Flute" recording - besides Miss Florence Foster Jenkins, of course - is one I have in Italian - can't recall the singers, but it's sooo neat to hear it in another language.  Of course, this leads to the whole "Do you put the opera in the language of the "people?" debate... But that's not today's topic...
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« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2004, 10:33:36 AM »

Though my first impulse is for the students to be home with their families, emotionally it might be more beneficial for them to stay together for now.

For the students to be home with their families they would have to run a gamut through areas of potential peril - there might be a killer loose for all we know! Safty first - stay in the classroom!
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« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2004, 10:38:48 AM »

Of course, this leads to the whole "Do you put the opera in the language of the "people?" debate... But that's not today's topic...

Considering that Magic Flute was written by Mozart for der volk, thus lyrics in German instead of the more traditional (for opera of the day) "Italian", I suspect he would favor having the work perfomed in the local language.

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« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2004, 10:44:54 AM »

I briefly had a photo up from 1977 but removed it.  For some reason we couldn’t reduce the size and it was embarrassing.

Later, if I can find any, I might try posting one from the early seventies.  They are more fun anyway.  I have a great one of Penny O from around that time but she might kill me if I post it. :D
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« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2004, 10:45:25 AM »

Dear Reader PennyO:

What was the time frame of your seven years at NYCO?  I was quite a habitue of the place until I moved to sunny Southern California.  Perhaps I've heard you sing there.

Was your nom de habitue "Erik"?

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« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2004, 10:47:52 AM »

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« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2004, 10:52:04 AM »

JoseSPiano "The Night Chicago Died" by Paper Lace is one of my all time favorite songs.  At the moment I’m listening to it even though Echo is waiting for her walk. :)
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« Reply #68 on: February 03, 2004, 11:00:06 AM »

For the students to be home with their families they would have to run a gamut through areas of potential peril - there might be a killer loose for all we know! Safty first - stay in the classroom!

Yes safety first.  I was also thinking of a very sad day at my son's high school.  Three of his classmates were killed in a car accident on their way home from school.  They hit black ice going too fast.  Home wasn't where my son and his friends wanted to be.  Eventually most of the student body found their way to the school where they could be together.
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« Reply #69 on: February 03, 2004, 11:09:57 AM »

Jose---
I would think that they would not have any royalty to pay for the original German but would have to pay it to whomever did the translation.  Perhaps they were under some contractual obligation to the translator of their old production and had to ditch the German version which the new production initially used.

By the way, it was all English... no German at all.  They did use supertitles which helped since a lot of the English pronounciation left much to be desired.  But every other opera I have seen at NYCO is in the original language which led me to ask the question why MAGIC FLUTE in English and not any of the others.
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« Reply #70 on: February 03, 2004, 11:13:20 AM »

It is interesting how times have changed. I was looking at my brother Allen's yearbook from Medford High School circa 1972 and there is a picture of him and his buddies from the Gun Club (!) cleaning their rifles on campus.

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« Reply #71 on: February 03, 2004, 11:16:23 AM »

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« Reply #72 on: February 03, 2004, 11:16:39 AM »



Only on my way home did I realize what had happened:
a famous scientific experiment puts rats in a cage and then shocks them repeatedly. They are removed from the cage. Other, calm rats from another, happier room get shoved into the BAD cage - and immediately freak out -- even WITHOUT the electricity. The very scent of the other rats' fear and panic sends them into Survival Mode.

I think maybe that's what happened to me -- and to the other folks, and then we passed it on. Worth a study.

You tale of "sensing" emotions left behind by others is not unique.

Walking through the grounds of Dachau one can sense the "dread and doom".

Years ago, when crossing the checkpoint from East to West Berlin, one would swear you could "smell" freedom.

Woody had a very difficult time in the catacombs under St. Paul's cathedral because he "sensed Dead People" (A man before his time). If I ever get him to Malta, we will probably have to skip their fascinating catacombs - there you can "see dead people" - lots, and lots of them - laid out on row after row of shelves.

Malta also has a fascinating "pit" (Hypogeum) which goes deep into the rock where one discovers a stone age temple hollowed into what was presumably then a cave. The walls are covered with stone age art. Standing in that deep dank room, one could sense "antiquity". (It was a dark and dreary night when first into the pit we descended.....)



der Brucer (with unfond memories of having a HS paper returned with his delighful phrase "dark, deep, dungeon" circled in red with the words "Pure Trite" written above.)

Maltese Stone Age Sculpter anticipating the Super Bowl:

 
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« Reply #73 on: February 03, 2004, 11:19:12 AM »

Penny---
Can you tell my why NYCO insists on doing MAGIC FLUTE in English while they do other operas in the language in which they were written ?  I know that when the current production was new it was sung in German (I have the tape from PBS) but when I went to see it last fall it was back to English.  Thanks.

I think it's because it's not - technically - an opera, but rather a "singspiel". It has spoken dialogues between the songs, instead of sung recitatives, and with NYCO being essentially an American opera house, more than half the singers don't speak most of the languages they can sing in... it's just ghastly to hear some fabulous voice from Tennessee drawling "Mah-nuh lip-peyn zee kee-yuss-ssuhn zoh-oo-uh hah-eece, y'all!" Sometimes, if it's going to be broadcast on PBS, the original casts are meticulously coached in the original language dialogues. When the show goes into repertory, any of a number of singers are on each role -- no time nor money to coach 'em all, so they revert to English.
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« Reply #74 on: February 03, 2004, 11:20:37 AM »


 For some reason we couldn’t reduce the size and it was embarrassing.


When you and/or Keith find a fix for reducing sizes that are embarassing - please post it!

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« Reply #75 on: February 03, 2004, 11:22:32 AM »

Some favorite '70s songs (and yes, this list will definitely run the gamut from the ridiculous to the sublime...or maybe it's from the ridiculous to the downright goofy):

Hotel California
I Think I Love You
I Love the Nightlife
I'm Not in Love
Dream On
How Deep is Your Love
Theme to the ABC Movie (think "star tunnel")
Theme to the NBC Mystery Movie
Theme to the ABC Movie of the Week (aka "Nikki," by Burt Bacharach)
The Logical Song
Don't Go Breakin' My Heart
The Hell of It (from Phantom of the Paradise)

For a long time, I was jealous of people who were kids in the '50s, because I always thought (still do think) that the '50s were way cool.  But just in the past few years, I've come to appreciate the pleasures of the decade of my own childhood, the '70s...a time when Billy Jack kicked butt for peace and all the girls in my class (except me) were named either Jennifer or Heather.
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« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2004, 11:28:59 AM »

It is interesting how times have changed. I was looking at my brother Allen's yearbook from Medford High School circa 1972 and there is a picture of him and his buddies from the Gun Club (!) cleaning their rifles on campus.



Ahh, yes, Michael, they conjures up some good memories!
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« Reply #77 on: February 03, 2004, 11:31:24 AM »

I think it's because it's not - technically - an opera, but rather a "singspiel". It has spoken dialogues between the songs, instead of sung recitatives, and with NYCO being essentially an American opera house, more than half the singers don't speak most of the languages they can sing in... it's just ghastly to hear some fabulous voice from Tennessee drawling "Mah-nuh lip-peyn zee kee-yuss-ssuhn zoh-oo-uh hah-eece, y'all!" Sometimes, if it's going to be broadcast on PBS, the original casts are meticulously coached in the original language dialogues. When the show goes into repertory, any of a number of singers are on each role -- no time nor money to coach 'em all, so they revert to English.

How knowledgeable.
How authoritative
How well expressed.

How delightfully refreshing!
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« Reply #78 on: February 03, 2004, 11:32:01 AM »

Dear Reader PennyO:

What was the time frame of your seven years at NYCO?  I was quite a habitue of the place until I moved to sunny Southern California.  Perhaps I've heard you sing there.

Late 70's-early 80's. I sang a zillion Carmen's - role of Frasquita, one of my favorites, lead line in the Quintet, Card Trio, big high C in Toreador, great solos in Smugglers' lair scene. And I LOVED my costumes!!! Also had Papagena, Barbarina, Musetta, all the operettas, original cast of the Joel Grey/Harold Prince SILVERLAKE (wow, that was great fun!!, plus Hal hired me for Doll's Life after that...), lots of strange, never-heard-of-again stuff.
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« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2004, 11:35:52 AM »

Dear Reader PennyO:

What was the time frame of your seven years at NYCO?  I was quite a habitue of the place until I moved to sunny Southern California.  Perhaps I've heard you sing there.

Late 70's-early 80's. Sang a zillion CARMEN's, role of Frasquita, one of my favorites for the lead lines in the Quintet, Card Trio, Smugglers' lair, big high C in Toreador. Loved my costumes. Sang Papagena, Barbarina, Musetta, lots of -ina's and -etta's (small and thin, easy to lift!), all the operettas, original cast of the Joel Grey/harold Prince SILVERLAKE. That was great! Oh, the times we had!!
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« Reply #80 on: February 03, 2004, 11:36:24 AM »

Thanks MBARNUM!
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« Reply #81 on: February 03, 2004, 11:36:37 AM »

The 70s had some of my favorite one hit wonders:

Love Grows Where my Rosemary Goes — by Edison Lighthouse

Rose Garden – Lynn Anderson

1900 Yesterday – Liz Damon’s Orient Express

Seasons in the Sun – Terry Jack

How Long – Ace

Lovin’ You – Minnie Ripperton

The Hustle – Van McCoy

Don’t Give Up on Us – David Soul

Don’t Leave me This Way – Thelma Houston

I Love the Night Life – Alicia Bridges

Pop Muzik – M

Knock on Wood – Ami Stewart

among many others (these are just some of my faves)!
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« Reply #82 on: February 03, 2004, 11:37:32 AM »

Oh - I got a message that sucker couldn't be posted. Okay, so it's rewritten and posted in two versions. Sheesh.
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« Reply #83 on: February 03, 2004, 11:40:41 AM »

And speaking of Carmen, let's not forget Eric Carmen and All By Myself and Never Gonna Fall in Love Again, both "borrowed" from Rachmaninov.  Now THOSE were the days you could do such things.
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« Reply #84 on: February 03, 2004, 11:43:48 AM »

JoseSPiano "The Night Chicago Died" by Paper Lace is one of my all time favorite songs.  At the moment I’m listening to it even though Echo is waiting for her walk. :)

I used to have a 45 of this song!  My sister and I listened to it all the time.  That was one record that I really wore out.  One of the other few 45s that I had was "Snoopy vs. the Red Baron."  I had it on the floor one day and a friend of mind squatted down and didn't see it.  She plopped her knee right down on the record and cracked it.  I was so mad...mainly at myself for putting it on the floor.  I never heard the song again until a couple of years ago I downloaded a copy from Morpheus (or however it's spelled)...before all the broo-ha-ha with downloading music.  I also found a copy of the song recorded by The Irish Rovers!
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« Reply #85 on: February 03, 2004, 11:46:06 AM »

The 60s and the 70s had  a lot of novelty songs and instrumental hits in the top 40, but do they have much of either now-a-days. The only novelty song I can recall in recent years was maybe that Who Let the Dogs Out song, and I don't think I have heard an instrumental song in the top 40 since the 1980s. But then I haven't listened to much top 40 radio in the last 15 years or so.
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« Reply #86 on: February 03, 2004, 11:46:42 AM »

Late 70's-early 80's. Sang a zillion CARMEN's, role of Frasquita, one of my favorites for the lead lines in the Quintet, Card Trio, Smugglers' lair, big high C in Toreador. Loved my costumes. Sang Papagena, Barbarina, Musetta, lots of -ina's and -etta's (small and thin, easy to lift!), all the operettas, original cast of the Joel Grey/harold Prince SILVERLAKE. That was great! Oh, the times we had!!

Now I am quite confident, Dear Reader PennyO, that I've seen and heard you at the NYCO.  I remember a performance of Carmen at NYCO in particular during your time there.  Gwendolyn Killebrew was the Carmen, and Placido Domingo was the Don Jose.  (I can't remember if Domingo had been announced or if he just happened to be in town and was covering for an indisposed tenor.  Of course, Domingo sang quite a bit at NYCO in his earlier days.)  Perhaps you were in the cast that night.

I am going to pay a visit to my storage boxes and try to locate my NYCO programs from that time frame and find out in what else I've seen and heard you!
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« Reply #87 on: February 03, 2004, 11:47:34 AM »

And speaking of Carmen, let's not forget Eric Carmen and All By Myself and Never Gonna Fall in Love Again, both "borrowed" from Rachmaninov.  Now THOSE were the days you could do such things.

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« Reply #88 on: February 03, 2004, 11:51:02 AM »

Woody had a very difficult time in the catacombs under St. Paul's cathedral because he "sensed Dead People" (A man before his time).
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« Reply #89 on: February 03, 2004, 11:52:32 AM »

Jose:  What is Bonaparte's Retreat?  Is that by The Chieftains?
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