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Re:IF IT'S TUESDAY IT MUST BE TUESDAY
« Reply #150 on: March 02, 2004, 07:04:22 PM »

Panni did you finish the Natalie Wood bio and did you like it?
I watched it - I was doing other things at the time, because I certainly couldn't have just sat there and taken it in - and did not like it. I pretty much agree with what bk said in his Notes about the film.
Mind you, I can't imagine how one could actually do a good movie about Natalie.
I suppose you could fictionalize - take the essence of the story - all the elements for great drama are there.  Do it like THE GODDESS, Paddy Chayefsky's thinly disguised story about Marilyn Monroe. I haven't seen it in many years. But I do remember it as being incredibly good. The "Marilyn" character was portrayed by Kim Stanley who was a bit old for the part and not truly a beauty. But it didn't matter because she is such a superb actress and the script was so powerful.
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« Reply #151 on: March 02, 2004, 07:06:52 PM »

Eeeek! I went back after my post to see what was on the previous page and found - ME. Thank you Jrand 53!
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« Reply #152 on: March 02, 2004, 07:07:06 PM »

Lovely photo.  Thank you JRand53 & Panni for posting it.  

Panni, if only my son was still living in San Francisco.
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« Reply #153 on: March 02, 2004, 07:09:13 PM »

To heck with your son, Jane, if only I were in San Francisco! :D
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« Reply #154 on: March 02, 2004, 07:09:46 PM »

Lovely photo.  Thank you JRand53 & Panni for posting it.  

Panni, if only my son was still living in San Francisco.

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« Reply #155 on: March 02, 2004, 07:10:46 PM »

To heck with your son, Jane, if only I were in San Francisco! :D

Hey! Behave yourself, DR Jed! Mom is watching.
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« Reply #156 on: March 02, 2004, 07:12:16 PM »

LOL You're welcome, DR PANNI.  Yes it is a lovely photo!  

Just got home from a super rehearsal.....fingers crossed that the rest of the ride is this great.  Some shows just seem to work from GO....

Now here comes the tech!  As I said fingers crossed!
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« Reply #157 on: March 02, 2004, 07:14:27 PM »

Good vibes on the tech, Jrand53....
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« Reply #158 on: March 02, 2004, 07:17:58 PM »

Panni thanks.  Keith still wants to watch a bit of it.  From all the wonderful reviews I have read here today I doubt we shall be watching for long.
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« Reply #159 on: March 02, 2004, 07:19:09 PM »

Good night.  Have a nice evening. :)
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« Reply #160 on: March 02, 2004, 07:29:34 PM »

RE:  Whether I'm responsible for "Be Afraid! Be Afraid!" or not?  I don't know.  I've never gone back into my original script to see whether it was there  or there was ever any line in any form like it or not.  Mr. Cronenberg may have come up with it.  But here's the thing about collaboration...whether it's an intended collaboration or not...Every idea feeds another idea.  

So I've never gotten into that parsing game of who came up with this or that particular bit or line the few times I've worked with collaborators or with anyone else's scripts either.  It's why I hate the whole unwieldy arbitration system, where people try to divy up who did what.  You never know how someone else got to where they did and how much a previous draft helped.

No one piece exists without the other pieces.  Cronenberg could be building off a line of mine or even building off a seemingly unrelated bit of business of mine...or his.  It could have come from one of the actors, for all I know.  But again, every idea feeds another idea.  You can't possibly know the chain of events or thoughts that trigger one thing or another.  So why try?

Cronenberg once said he couldn't have gotten to his script without my script.  I'm content to leave it there.

Both his name and my name are on the script.  Both names deserve to be there.  So we'll both take credit for it.
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Re:IF IT'S TUESDAY IT MUST BE TUESDAY
« Reply #161 on: March 02, 2004, 07:34:08 PM »


der Brucer ('tis a late lunch time)
Now, has anyone noticed anything unusual about this post?  (It's post # 101 for the day, I believe.)

(Hint: You do have to go back to the original post.)
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« Reply #162 on: March 02, 2004, 07:57:36 PM »

Good Evening!

DR SWW - Regarding DR DERBRUCERS post/cartoon (post #101)... Now that you mention it, I do notice something unusual about that post.  But, then again, my eyes may be deceiving me.  Or maybe not?  Hmm...

Well, I got my laundry done - well, almost.  When I got to the laundromat, I realized that I had left my bed sheets on the bed - well, I had pulled them off, and put them in a bundle, but forgot to put them in the laundry basket.  Ah, well...  -But I did drop off my down comforter at the dry cleaners, so it should be all nice and clean and freshly puffed-and-fluffed when I get back from Chattanooga.

Then came class - another good class.  The duets really seem to be upping the level of friendly competition among the students.  And some of the girls are discovering that they really do have an upper range!  :D

Now, as for tonight's "American Idol".... Hmmm....

More after the West Coasters get their chance to view tonight's round... and after I get some packing down for my trip...
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« Reply #163 on: March 02, 2004, 08:06:45 PM »

Good Evening!

DR SWW - Regarding DR DERBRUCERS post/cartoon (post #101)... Now that you mention it, I do notice something unusual about that post.  But, then again, my eyes may be deceiving me.  Or maybe not?  Hmm...
It's not the cartoon.
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« Reply #164 on: March 02, 2004, 08:14:43 PM »

I saw a movie called Good Bye Lenin! this evening, Dear Readers.  This film has been wildly popular in Europe.  

The story takes place in East Berlin in 1989.  A woman who is devoted to the socialist government of East Germany suffers a heart attack and then falls into an eight month coma, during which time the Berlin Wall falls and Germany reunifies.  When she revives from her coma, the doctors tell her son that any kind of shock will likely kill her, so the son creates a ruse that purports that nothing has changed in the political world around them.  As Western influence grows more visible in their neighborhood, the ruse, by necessity, grow and grows, to good comic effect.

At the heart of the film though, is the son's devotion to his mother, as well as other elements related to familial ties.  

Definitely worth seeing when it comes to your local art house cinema.
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Re:IF IT'S TUESDAY IT MUST BE TUESDAY
« Reply #165 on: March 02, 2004, 08:26:13 PM »

I'm going to give opinions on AMERICAN IDOL contestants from tonight so skip my post if you don't want to read it. On a night that doesn't give the results, however, I think spoilers are kind of silly. Anyone wanting to watch IDOL would be doing that now rather than reading and posting here.

The first singer Suzy and the red haired 16-year old crooner John were the two best singers tonight. Everyone else had lapses, slips, cracks, or other major problems.

As usual, the judges unanimously crowed about a performer I thought was quite bad: Jasmine (Hawaiian girl with flower in her hair). Her voice was the one that was all over the place, even worse than final singer Tiara whom they accused of the same problem. Tiara was a much better singer than Jasmine, but both lack control and Tiara had especially weak high notes with her head voice.

Overall, another off night with mostly mediocre contestants. One thing is clear, we had a male-female final two with the first AI. We had an all male final in the second AI. I think it's clear there will be NO MEN in the final two of this year's competition unless there is VAST improvement over the course of the weeks of judging.

BTW, my TV GUIDE for next week came today, and it said the judges select the wild cards contestants for the wild card round and that the top four call in votes from the audience get in. Now, the magazine could be wrong (certainly have been in the past), but that's what it says.
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« Reply #166 on: March 02, 2004, 08:30:29 PM »

This afternoon, I watched THE MARK OF ZORRO with Tyrone Power. The DVD looked SO wonderful with rich black and white photography and a super sharp picture. Tyrone Power was certainly touched by the gods with such a handsome face, a magnificent physique (shown to perfection in those hip hugging pants), and such an effortless, natural acting style.
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« Reply #167 on: March 02, 2004, 08:33:50 PM »

This movie sounds like it is definitely worth watching. (I know Father Frank and respect him tremendously. The same with the late Father Bud Kieser.)

THE BIG PICTURE - Excerpts

By Patrick Goldstein
Times Staff Writer
March 2 2004

Father Frank Desiderio is no fan of "The Passion of the Christ," and he makes no bones about it. "It didn't change my faith or give me a lift into the transcendent," he says. "It's superb from a technical point of view, but I walked out feeling sad and sick to my stomach because the violence made it too painful to stay involved in the story."

But Desiderio admits to feeling a pang of envy for Mel Gibson's star power. As head of Paulist Productions, Desiderio is a man of the cloth who lives in the relentlessly material world of show business, making TV movies and documentaries that focus on spiritual values. And while the media have endlessly covered Gibson's controversial film of Christ's last hours that grossed $125.2 million in its five-day opening, Desiderio has struggled to get the word out about "Judas," a new movie that views Jesus' last days through his relationship with his betrayer.  
...The film airs Monday night at 9 on ABC.

To say that the "Judas" creative team has mixed emotions about "The Passion" would be an understatement. Gibson spent about $30 million on his film; "Judas" had a bare-bones $5-million budget, shooting in Morocco on sets left over from a TV movie. On the other hand, the "Judas" filmmakers apparently got a much-needed boost from "The Passion."

"It's probably only because of Mel's film that our movie is being seen at all," says "Judas" writer-producer Tom Fontana, best known as a creator of such critically lauded shows as "Homicide: Life on the Street" and "Oz." "It took ABC two years to put us on the schedule. I have to think they were afraid of the movie."

Founded in 1960 by the late Father Ellwood "Bud" Kieser, Paulist Productions has won eight Emmys and various film festival awards. Its productions have attracted such acting talent as Walter Matthau, Martin Sheen, Ed Asner and Carol Burnett, and writers including John Wells, Michael Crichton and Rod Serling, as well as Fontana, who also wrote a 1985 TV movie called "The Fourth Wise Man." But today's Hollywood is allergic to films with specifically religious themes, a stance that is unlikely to change even with the commercial triumph of "The Passion."

Paulist Productions has largely lived off the money it made from "Romero," a 1989 film that starred Raul Julia as El Salvador's martyred archbishop Oscar Romero. But after taking a big loss on another feature film, 1995's "Entertaining Angels," it has shied away from theatrical productions, preferring the relative financial safety of television. Not that mainstream TV is much more hospitable to spiritual issues. In recent years, most Paulist productions have aired on distant outposts like the History Channel.

"With the networks today, almost all the material has to be baby-boomer-driven celebrity stories," explains Desiderio, sitting in his Paulist headquarters, a Spanish-style building on Pacific Coast Highway that in the 1930s served as a private club for movie starlet Thelma Todd. Desiderio rattles off a list of recent TV movies based on the lives of such celebrities as Natalie Wood, the Three Stooges, Lucille Ball, the Reagans and Martin & Lewis. "The logline in TV Guide has to have a celebrity name in the title. At least with 'Judas,' we might have a name people can recognize."

Unlike many conservatives and evangelicals, Desiderio doesn't believe Hollywood is hostile to Christian values. "It's not so much hostility as disconnectedness," he says. "I find that a lot of people in Hollywood and the media are religiously illiterate. They just don't know the Christian story."

....The idea for "Judas" began with Kieser, who wanted to do a Rashomon-style depiction of the life of Christ. In early 2000, Kieser got Fontana on board. "Even for a wayward Catholic like myself, there's no underestimating the power of a Catholic priest," Fontana recalls. "I told Bud I was too busy and the next thing I knew I was in pitching three Jesus movies to [then ABC movie chief] Susan Lyne."

Lyne said she'd make one of the movies, so Kieser and Fontana picked "Judas." "Bad guys are always the most interesting characters," Fontana explains. "It was a challenge to take the most reviled character in the history of mankind and try to figure out why he did this betrayal without portraying him as a one-dimensional bad guy."

Fontana wrote a first draft of the script for Kieser just before he died. "He gave me notes on a Friday, went into a coma on Monday and died later that week," Fontana recalls. "I always thought that was his ultimate revenge, because I couldn't argue ? you have to do the notes of a dead priest."

It was especially intriguing for me to see "Judas" in such close proximity to "The Passion." Although they both feature essentially the same characters and story, they deliver a very different perspective. "The Passion" is a director's movie, relying on the visceral power of its horror-film-like bloodletting for its emotional impact. "Judas" is a writer's movie, using character development to create a complex psychological portrait of the relationship between Judas and Jesus.

"Judas" also has a more complex view of the Jewish elders' role in Christ's death. Whereas Gibson refused to show his film to most Jewish leaders until it opened last week, Desiderio had a rabbi involved early on as a technical consultant on his film. Unlike "The Passion," which puts most of the onus for Jesus' death on the Jewish elders, "Judas" points the finger equally at Pontius Pilate, who is portrayed as a despotic ruler. The film also opens with a scene of a mass crucifixion, reminding viewers that Jews were persistently persecuted by the Romans.

Since there is very little biblical text devoted to Judas, the film uses imagined scenes to develop Jesus' relationship with his betrayer. "Christian art has been filling in the blanks of the Scriptures for ages," explains Desiderio. "The apocryphal Gospels are folk tales ? they're the pulp fiction of Christian literature. Where does it say in the Gospels that after Jesus was taken down from the cross that he lay in the arms of his mother? That image comes from Michelangelo's 'Pieta' more than from anywhere else."

Fontana also uses invented scenes to give the story a more socially conscious spin. When the Jewish high priest confronts Jesus, he says he will be destroyed if he continues to attack "traditional values." "I figured the term is in play, so if the fundamentalists can use it, so can I," Fontana says. "To me, Jesus was a good Jew who believed in the law of Moses, but he was persecuted because he believed in the spirit of the law, not the letter. And whether it's fundamentalist Christians or Muslims, they only seem interested in the letter. What Jesus says to me is: Believe in the spirit ? justice, compassion, family ? not just the narrow interpretation of the Bible."

"Judas" may not have the box-office clout of controversy, but it does benefit from Fontana's humanism, a quality evident in all Paulist productions. "Bud and Frank gave me the power to take the words of the Bible and create my own translation," says Fontana. "I don't have the assurance of saying, 'This is as it was.'

"I haven't seen Mel's movie, but anytime you view the world in black and white, you make it devoid of love, which is Jesus' message. I mean, if you make a movie about Jesus, and you create anger and division, aren't you missing the point of the message?"

"The Big Picture" runs every Tuesday in Calendar. If you have questions, ideas or criticism, e-mail them to patrick.goldstein@latimes.com.

Copyright 2004 Los Angeles Times
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Re:IF IT'S TUESDAY IT MUST BE TUESDAY
« Reply #168 on: March 02, 2004, 08:34:35 PM »

DR Jane,

Glad DP (Dr. Pooch) Echo's safe and sound.

Archie the spaniel seems to be calming down. I think it's the Rescue Remedy - thanks DR Panni and all for the suggestions.

As for Natalie Wood movies, Gypsy and Miracle on 34th Street would be high on my list.
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« Reply #169 on: March 02, 2004, 08:37:02 PM »

DR Panni asked me to post this picture!  ;D

"... She no longer looks like either of the Natalies but is lovely in her own right."
I'd say she looks something like her lovely mother.
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« Reply #170 on: March 02, 2004, 08:37:08 PM »

Received my American Cinematheque flyer today and they will be running a little festival of films not available on video at the end of the month at the Egyptian Theatre.  On the roster:  Ace in the Hole, The Crowd Roars, Tiger Shark, Nightmare Alley, Bunny Lake is Missing, Too Late Blues, Play It As It Lays and Pretty Poison.
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« Reply #171 on: March 02, 2004, 08:40:47 PM »

Glad the Rescue Remedy was helpful, DR Dan-in-TO.

And thank you for the compliment, DR WFO!
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« Reply #172 on: March 02, 2004, 08:59:40 PM »

DR Panni:  Thank you for posting the article about Judas.  I am marking my TV Guide.  I think what most drew me to Jesus Christ Superstar when I first got the concept album was that it was told very much from Judas' point of view, and Tim Rice's dialogues between Judas and Christ had so much more substance than most dramatic representations of the story.  When a Black colleague complained to me about the movie (which he hadn't seen) casting a Black actor as Judas, I had to point out that he was arguably the main character of the story, and was certainly not portrayed as one-dimensionally evil.

Why is it that people often miss the point when spiritual matters are portrayed?  Having read Kazantsakis' The Last Temptation of Christ, I was stunned by the furor over the movie and "Jesus sleeping with Magdalene".  Had these people seen the film?  Had they even read the title?  It was a dream sequence--a temptation, and it wasn't so much sleeping with her as marrying her and settling down like a nice Jewish boy.  This was shocking?

And now that I begin to rant and ramble, I will toddle off to bed.
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« Reply #173 on: March 02, 2004, 09:00:37 PM »

Dear Reader Panni and others:  Please link to articles, don't reprint them in their entirety here as it violates copyright laws.  You may excerpt from them, just not the whole deal.  Thanks.
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« Reply #174 on: March 02, 2004, 09:04:23 PM »

All right, then, what is everyone doing right this very minute?  And, clothing report!  Jeans and ASCAP t-shirt.
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« Reply #175 on: March 02, 2004, 09:10:52 PM »

I'm just surfing around, in my t and sweat pants.  Der B is dozing off to the news.  The dogs are all checking what's in the yard.  (They're wearing their collars.)

Dinner was quite filling tonight.  I cooked up some rotelle, sauced with ground beef and breakfast sausage (!!!) in crushed tomatoes, with onions and mushers.  Der Brucer was quite happy with the result.  I think it was the fennel seeds in the sausage that gave the sauce a special something.
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« Reply #176 on: March 02, 2004, 09:13:42 PM »

Thanks George for mentioning Dr. Seuss.  It's also Read Across America Day in most grade schools.   This started because i have threes sisters who are teachers.  Since I seem to not be able to say , "No," I often read to grade schoolers on my days off.  So, this will be third Read Week appearance.

I'm reading the class one book about a dog named "Ruggles"  and then some Dr. Seuss book.  At least I don't have to wera a tall red and white hat (at least I don't think so anyway).

Apparently it's also National Womens's week or Women Writers Week or something, so I was asked to read a book writtten by a woman.

Favorite Natalie Wood movies (in no particular order):

Splendor in the Grass (the scene at the end with her alll in white is a herat-breaker)

The Great Race (I know this movie by heart and love it)

GYPSY--  nobody was better or sexier

Inside Daisy Clover (although I still wish Gavin Lambert would have stuck to the book.)  Natalie was perfect in it, but the book was far superior to the screenply written by Lambert himself.


Miracle On 34th Street--  she IS the kid; she's not acting

The TV adaptations she did of both "The Cracker Factory" and "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof"

"Sex and the Single Girl" (which was stupid but had some very funny bits-- Edward Everett Horton was a hoot, and Natalie looked as lovely as usual)


Rebel Without A Cause-- what can I say.

Etc., etc., etc, etc. (a Siamese reference)


And just look at the publicity pictures of her with RJ, Warren Beattty and the other men she dated.  That's Hollywood!  



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« Reply #177 on: March 02, 2004, 09:14:17 PM »

PRETTY POISON is available on DVD now, I believe. I'd love to see BUNNY LAKE IS MISSING again. Fun little mystery.

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« Reply #178 on: March 02, 2004, 09:14:29 PM »

Well, if this keeps up I'll be tuning out American Idol very soon.  Another utterly undistinguished, bland, boring mediocre group.  Even the red-haired crooner who I was hoping would be good wasn't . None should be in the finals.  So far I've really found none of the finalists worth getting behind and rooting for.  So boring.  I feel like I wasted an hour of my life on trivial, inconsenquential crap.
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Re:IF IT'S TUESDAY IT MUST BE TUESDAY
« Reply #179 on: March 02, 2004, 09:32:15 PM »

Nope, Pretty Poison has never been on DVD.  It's been on FCM quite a bit recently, though.
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