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[Jeanne]

Then there was the escrow agent in Texas who sent out checks to the sellers for an incorrect amount. She, at least, realized her error and corrected it, once it was pointed out to her. Instead of READING the contract she just ASSUMED a certain split. She didn't seem embarrassed in the least. We didn't have to fire her, but we certainly couldn't recommend her.

How do these people keep their jobs??

[Jeanne]

Then there was the agent who was living in the house she was supposed to be selling...

[bk]

Speaking of Fosse/Verdon, I was surprised that everyone seemed to call the playwright Mr. Simon "Neil."  I had understood that his friends called him "Doc."

Of course.  But the "writers" of this don't care about truth or reality.  They're writing their own story and everyone seems to be fine with it because it's - dramatic license.  Like Fosse didn't have enough REAL drama in his life.  The writers even admitted that this current episode is all fiction.  It's lazy, soap opera, hit 'em over the head writing and it certainly didn't have to be.  And to waste an entire hour-long episode on yakking in one location because the writer thought it was an homage to Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf???  I say to the "dramatic license" people - so you'd be fine if someone made a film about your life and just made up whatever they wanted so there'd be some "drama"?  Like, they could say you were a pathetic creative person who couldn't make a single decision without help from your wife/ex-wife?  Or they could say you did things that were disgusting that you never, in fact, did?  Because - dramatic license?  Sorry, does not compute for me.

[Jeanne]

In fairness, I have met some excellent agents, also, but it's very difficult to know which it'll be.

[Jeanne]

I've found TCB's case to be an interesting one. We don't know, of course, whether the low appraisal was a fluke or whether it was representative of the market. It certainly helped TCB in the end.

[Jeanne]

TTFN.

[Jrand74]

I hope the tv show about my life has an episode about the summer I spent in California and starred in my own film adaptation of ANNIE....which never happened of course....but it will make a great episode.

[Jrand74]

I shall be on my way in a tick for the first read thru of SEND ME NO FLOWERS.....

I excited.....excited and scared.

[Jrand74]

DR CHAS SMITH that is interesting.....I can do Signed English.....American Sign Language is a language of its own that has its own syntax....and relies heavily on facial expressions and body position.....I can't do that.

And many members of the Deaf Community no longer recognize SE interpreters as proper to use in many areas.....

Which is sad.....but there you are....

[Jrand74]

So Signed English is going the way of the DoDo Bird......in a manner of speaking.

[George]

Gratuitous Post #100!

[George]

And my last thoughts on Carmina Burana.  It was written to be staged and I wish there were more staged/choreographed productions on film.  I do like Jean Pierre Ponnelle's staging very much.

I've never seen a staged version.

[Laura]

So Signed English is going the way of the DoDo Bird......in a manner of speaking.

And Gregg shorthand -- the only thing I ever excelled at.

[Jane]

Then there was the escrow agent in Texas who sent out checks to the sellers for an incorrect amount. She, at least, realized her error and corrected it, once it was pointed out to her. Instead of READING the contract she just ASSUMED a certain split. She didn't seem embarrassed in the least. We didn't have to fire her, but we certainly couldn't recommend her.

How do these people keep their jobs??

There are too many bad agents out there.  Thankfully there are also very good ones.

[Jane]

Then there was the agent who was living in the house she was supposed to be selling...

 

[Jane]

I hope DR Jan is home by now and that all went well.  I thought of her while I was at the dentist having my cleaning appointment which this visit included x-rays.  The dentist said I need two teeth filled.  I don't do well with the needles used to inject me for numbing.  It could be worse, I could be Keith needing a crown.  We both could be worse and needing a difficult extraction.

Healing Vibes for DR Jan!

[elmore3003]

Good news from DR Elmore today. Glad to hear you're feeling better!

I wish my leg issues were healing as quickly!

[John G.]

So Signed English is going the way of the DoDo Bird......in a manner of speaking.

And Gregg shorthand -- the only thing I ever excelled at.

You excel at photography and baking and a cute grandbaby.

[Druxy]

Speaking of Fosse/Verdon, I was surprised that everyone seemed to call the playwright Mr. Simon "Neil."  I had understood that his friends called him "Doc."

Of course.  But the "writers" of this don't care about truth or reality.  They're writing their own story and everyone seems to be fine with it because it's - dramatic license.  Like Fosse didn't have enough REAL drama in his life.  The writers even admitted that this current episode is all fiction.  It's lazy, soap opera, hit 'em over the head writing and it certainly didn't have to be.  And to waste an entire hour-long episode on yakking in one location because the writer thought it was an homage to Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf???  I say to the "dramatic license" people - so you'd be fine if someone made a film about your life and just made up whatever they wanted so there'd be some "drama"?  Like, they could say you were a pathetic creative person who couldn't make a single decision without help from your wife/ex-wife?  Or they could say you did things that were disgusting that you never, in fact, did?  Because - dramatic license?  Sorry, does not compute for me.

BK,

I certainly don't want to get into a heated debate with you on this subject, but:

How can you write a play or screenplay about real people and/or events without taking some "dramatic license"?

[jan]

Back from the oral surgeon.  Hour and a half while he dug through my jaw, down through my neck and into my shoulder.  Bone graft in, membrane in place and 7 stitches.  Then I got to pay $1000 for the pleasure.  Went to the pharmacy for pain pills and antibiotics.  Got the pain pills (thank God) but doc forgot to include the antibiotic prescription.  Leaving CVS, a woman backed into my car fortunately no damage.  So stressed out my hands are shaking.  Called doc about prescription, they called it in but I'm not going back out today.  One good thing, I was told to eat cool, soft food so she said I should eat ice cream.  I agree.  In a lot of pain, so I took a pain pill and I'm gonna lie down for a nap.  Back later.

[George]

Back from the oral surgeon.  Hour and a half while he dug through my jaw, down through my neck and into my shoulder.  Bone graft in, membrane in place and 7 stitches.  Then I got to pay $1000 for the pleasure.  Went to the pharmacy for pain pills and antibiotics.  Got the pain pills (thank God) but doc forgot to include the antibiotic prescription.  Leaving CVS, a woman backed into my car fortunately no damage.  So stressed out my hands are shaking.  Called doc about prescription, they called it in but I'm not going back out today.  One good thing, I was told to eat cool, soft food so she said I should eat ice cream.  I agree.  In a lot of pain, so I took a pain pill and I'm gonna lie down for a nap.  Back later.

What an adventure...and not in the good way.

~~~Quick Recovery Vibes for jan!!~~~

[bk]

Speaking of Fosse/Verdon, I was surprised that everyone seemed to call the playwright Mr. Simon "Neil."  I had understood that his friends called him "Doc."

Of course.  But the "writers" of this don't care about truth or reality.  They're writing their own story and everyone seems to be fine with it because it's - dramatic license.  Like Fosse didn't have enough REAL drama in his life.  The writers even admitted that this current episode is all fiction.  It's lazy, soap opera, hit 'em over the head writing and it certainly didn't have to be.  And to waste an entire hour-long episode on yakking in one location because the writer thought it was an homage to Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf???  I say to the "dramatic license" people - so you'd be fine if someone made a film about your life and just made up whatever they wanted so there'd be some "drama"?  Like, they could say you were a pathetic creative person who couldn't make a single decision without help from your wife/ex-wife?  Or they could say you did things that were disgusting that you never, in fact, did?  Because - dramatic license?  Sorry, does not compute for me.

BK,

I certainly don't want to get into a heated debate with you on this subject, but:

How can you write a play or screenplay about real people and/or events without taking some "dramatic license"?

I'm not talking about a historical drama here, I'm talking about Fosse/Verdon.  Here's a clew: If there's not enough drama for a show based on two specific people, don't make it into a movie.  Don't LIE about events, don't make up crap because it suits you, the writer, when it's to the detriment of the real person you're writing about.  I don't know what's difficult about this simple construct.  Bob Fosse, while having many problems in his life, was a hugely talented, creative person who did not need his wife/ex-wife to hold his hand and help him with every creative decision - they present Fosse as if he could not function creatively without Gwen Verdon stepping in to save the day.  Well, that's BS and it is offensive.  Mr. Fosse isn't here to defend himself.  He also had a good deal of charm, a sparkle in his eye, a sense of humor - have you been seeing that in this show?  No, you have not. 

And dramatic license does not involve sloppy writing and zero research, so that you cannot even get the tiniest, easy to find details right - shopping bags did not have handles in 1972, the film of Sweet Charity did not play the Ziegfeld Theater in New York, Starbucks was not around in 1972, hence you can't have a Starbucks cup in a rehearsal room, and on and on and on.  That's not dramatic license, that's stupidity and laziness.

But anytime a writer has to actually make something up that is factually completely incorrect, dramatic license or not, it's just wrong.  If I were were filming Druxy, would it be okay for me as the writer to say you came from Serbia as an infant, and that your parents were both gay because I like that story and it's interesting?  Is it okay for me as the writer to say that Druxy's life was entirely controlled by others, that he couldn't make a creative decision without others giving him the ideas or help... Well, you get the idea.  Tell me if that's all okay and I'll start writing it right now.

[bk]

Meanwhile, there's a guy on Facebook who's a fan of mine and who's enjoyed my books.  He finally got around to GEE a few weeks ago, and just posted this review, which I thought was lovely:

5.0 out of 5 stars

A journey through time---and an inspiration.
May 9, 2019
Format: Kindle EditionVerified Purchase

I just finished Bruce Kimmel’s extraordinary novel GEE, and what an emotional ride it was! Will be careful not to give too much away here….Divided into two distinct sections, it is the story of two women who find a very special connection. Although separated in time, these two people somehow reach across the years and speak with each other, learn from each other and inspire each other. The book is, on one hand, a wistful tribute to the glorious pleasures of another era, and a delightful journey of discovery for a person who comes to realize that we all can benefit from looking back. In this society which seems hell-bent on eschewing the treasures of art and entertainment if they show even the slightest patina of age, it’s both moving and exciting to read a book that relishes the achievements of such great artists as Mary Pickford, Glenn Miller and Harry Warren. As often happens with Kimmel books, I found myself tearing up, and totally identifying with the characters. It is a book of truth and wisdom, and I’m grateful to Bruce for telling this story. Brilliant!

[Jane]

So Signed English is going the way of the DoDo Bird......in a manner of speaking.

And Gregg shorthand -- the only thing I ever excelled at.

You excel at photography and baking and a cute grandbaby.

And mentoring a wonderful young lady.

[Jane]

Speaking of Fosse/Verdon, I was surprised that everyone seemed to call the playwright Mr. Simon "Neil."  I had understood that his friends called him "Doc."

Of course.  But the "writers" of this don't care about truth or reality.  They're writing their own story and everyone seems to be fine with it because it's - dramatic license.  Like Fosse didn't have enough REAL drama in his life.  The writers even admitted that this current episode is all fiction.  It's lazy, soap opera, hit 'em over the head writing and it certainly didn't have to be.  And to waste an entire hour-long episode on yakking in one location because the writer thought it was an homage to Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf???  I say to the "dramatic license" people - so you'd be fine if someone made a film about your life and just made up whatever they wanted so there'd be some "drama"?  Like, they could say you were a pathetic creative person who couldn't make a single decision without help from your wife/ex-wife?  Or they could say you did things that were disgusting that you never, in fact, did?  Because - dramatic license?  Sorry, does not compute for me.

BK,

I certainly don't want to get into a heated debate with you on this subject, but:

How can you write a play or screenplay about real people and/or events without taking some "dramatic license"?

I think there is a difference between some dramatic license and basically writing fiction. 

[Druxy]

Speaking of Fosse/Verdon, I was surprised that everyone seemed to call the playwright Mr. Simon "Neil."  I had understood that his friends called him "Doc."

Of course.  But the "writers" of this don't care about truth or reality.  They're writing their own story and everyone seems to be fine with it because it's - dramatic license.  Like Fosse didn't have enough REAL drama in his life.  The writers even admitted that this current episode is all fiction.  It's lazy, soap opera, hit 'em over the head writing and it certainly didn't have to be.  And to waste an entire hour-long episode on yakking in one location because the writer thought it was an homage to Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf???  I say to the "dramatic license" people - so you'd be fine if someone made a film about your life and just made up whatever they wanted so there'd be some "drama"?  Like, they could say you were a pathetic creative person who couldn't make a single decision without help from your wife/ex-wife?  Or they could say you did things that were disgusting that you never, in fact, did?  Because - dramatic license?  Sorry, does not compute for me.

BK,

I certainly don't want to get into a heated debate with you on this subject, but:

How can you write a play or screenplay about real people and/or events without taking some "dramatic license"?

I'm not talking about a historical drama here, I'm talking about Fosse/Verdon.  Here's a clew: If there's not enough drama for a show based on two specific people, don't make it into a movie.  Don't LIE about events, don't make up crap because it suits you, the writer, when it's to the detriment of the real person you're writing about.  I don't know what's difficult about this simple construct.  Bob Fosse, while having many problems in his life, was a hugely talented, creative person who did not need his wife/ex-wife to hold his hand and help him with every creative decision - they present Fosse as if he could not function creatively without Gwen Verdon stepping in to save the day.  Well, that's BS and it is offensive.  Mr. Fosse isn't here to defend himself.  He also had a good deal of charm, a sparkle in his eye, a sense of humor - have you been seeing that in this show?  No, you have not. 

And dramatic license does not involve sloppy writing and zero research, so that you cannot even get the tiniest, easy to find details right - shopping bags did not have handles in 1972, the film of Sweet Charity did not play the Ziegfeld Theater in New York, Starbucks was not around in 1972, hence you can't have a Starbucks cup in a rehearsal room, and on and on and on.  That's not dramatic license, that's stupidity and laziness.

But anytime a writer has to actually make something up that is factually completely incorrect, dramatic license or not, it's just wrong.  If I were were filming Druxy, would it be okay for me as the writer to say you came from Serbia as an infant, and that your parents were both gay because I like that story and it's interesting?  Is it okay for me as the writer to say that Druxy's life was entirely controlled by others, that he couldn't make a creative decision without others giving him the ideas or help... Well, you get the idea.  Tell me if that's all okay and I'll start writing it right now.

1. I don't know enough about either Fosse's or Vernon's private lives to know exactly what is fact and what is dramatic license.  But, I stand by my original point.  You can't dramatize a true story without taking some liberties with the facts.

2. Yes, a lot of the production may be "sloppy" (e.g. Starbucks, where SWEET CHARITY played, etc.), but your average person, like myself, does not pick up on that kind of minute detail. 

3. I would be happy to license you the rights to my life story.  Shall we negotiate a price?

[Jane]

DR Jan thank you for taking the time to let us know how you are doing.  Yes, lots of ice cream. 
I am glad you made it home safely.  Vibes you feel better tomorrow and can get your antibiotics.

NO INFECTION VIBES AND FAST HEALING VIBES!

[Jane]

Fantastic review!

[vixmom]

I hope the tv show about my life has an episode about the summer I spent in California and starred in my own film adaptation of ANNIE....which never happened of course....but it will make a great episode.

That's the one where I played Miss Hannigan as I recall.  I believe I received rave reviews for both my singing and dancing

[vixmom]

So Signed English is going the way of the DoDo Bird......in a manner of speaking.

And Gregg shorthand -- the only thing I ever excelled at.

You excel at photography and baking and a cute grandbaby.

Yes!!