In the second, I was checking out a musical theatre program on the fifth floor of walkup building in midtown with a friend I haven't seen since 1985 or so. The program was run by an acquaintance, author Larry Maslon, who's published several books. So, we walked up four flights of stairs to find that to get to the stairs to the fifth floor, you had to crawl on a ledge over the stairwell, and a fall would be lethal. People were doing it, but I was too afraid, backed out and walked back downstairs.