When Skip and I had auditioned and did spec opening song for "Old Jews Telling Jokes" and didn't get it (none of those who did spec songs got it - Adam Gwon who never submitted as part of that was just suddenly asked and he was a very hot "name" then) I recall Skip coming back from lunch with Jack, where Jack said he had nothing to do with 'Old Jews Telling Jokes" except for an opinion or two, it was all the writers Okrent and Gethers.-