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Title: CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: bk on July 05, 2004, 11:59:52 PM
Well, you've read the notes, you're still trying to figure out where "Clever, these Americans" came from (as am I), and now you are ready to post until the clever cows come home (and don't forget those much-needed excellent vibes and xylophones).   I must say, yesterday was a GREAT posting day, both in quality and quantity - I feel fairly safe in predicting that soon we will be the most popular site on all the Internet.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 12:06:46 AM
As I am not an American, I don't have to say anything clever -- which takes away all the pressure. I've seen a lot of bad casting in my day (Thursday) - none of which I can think of at the moment. Perhaps later. For now, to bed.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 12:08:20 AM
And a very special haineshisway.com birthday wish to errant and truant but still loveable Andrea.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jed on July 06, 2004, 12:12:53 AM
Well, it wasn't in the "oh my, what on earth were they thinking" category, just in the "hmmm, well that didn't really work" category, but the first that comes to my mind was Hayley Mills as Desiree in A Little Night Music.  I seem to remember that DR Ann was even less impressed than I was.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Tomovoz on July 06, 2004, 12:16:36 AM
The wonderful Caroline O'Connor was so miscast as Dulcinea in the most recent Oz version of "Man Of La Mancha" (Anthony Warlow). Imagine  Aldonza being played by Fannie Streisand Brice and you have the picture.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: George on July 06, 2004, 12:16:56 AM
I didn't see the show, but I heard that Bernadette Peters in Annie Get Your Gun was a big bad casting decision (shades of the Bernadette and Mandy song "So Miscast" from Forbidden Broadway).  I would have loved to see her in Gypsy, though.

I don't think it actually came from it, but the line "Clever these Americans" makes me think of the song "This Week, Americans" from Do I Hear a Waltz?"  That's the first thing that I thought of.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: George on July 06, 2004, 12:17:54 AM
I have to go to bed (so that I may sleep), now.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: George on July 06, 2004, 12:18:16 AM
Just had to share. ;D
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: George on July 06, 2004, 12:18:36 AM
Good night, all!
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: George on July 06, 2004, 12:19:42 AM
Don't get too comfortable, Jay! ;)
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on July 06, 2004, 03:39:37 AM
BK -

Shakin' the Blech Away with:

vibraphones
xylophones
membranophones
idiophones
tomtoms
and
the glockenspiel
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on July 06, 2004, 04:15:02 AM
My checking shows that "Clever, These Americans" is the title of a Cornell Woolrich (writing as William Irish) short story found in his collection, "Eyes That Watch You." Does that help?

I don't think that one was adapted into a movie, but I'm looking at a Woolrich bibliography, and adapted works of his include Fall Guy, Phantom Lady, The Black Angel, I Wouldn't Be In Your Shoes, Night Has a Thousand Eyes, Rear Window, The Bride Wore Black, Mississippi Mermaid/Original Sin, and Mrs. Winterbourne.

Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Noel on July 06, 2004, 05:01:07 AM
A marimba...
and maybe a celeste or a celestina (is there a difference?)
Will we ever learn what this blechy business is?

Were there cast members who departed due to the change in play?

Dearly departed, we are gathered here today...

What the hell am I talking about?
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Noel on July 06, 2004, 05:04:00 AM
BREAKING NEWS: It's John Edwards.  I'm very excited.

(not that I want to introduce a political discussion to these here pages - it's more of us "this just in" thing)
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Ben on July 06, 2004, 05:09:43 AM
We are back from the Isle of Long. Had a wonderfully relaxing time. We ate (too much), chicken, hot dogs, Italian sausages and peppers, hamburgers, coconut layer cake, watermelon, canteloupe, strawberries, potato salad, blueberry pancakes (for breakfast) and pork loin stuffed with apples. I think I mentioned everything.

We went shopping to Bed, Bath and Beyond and got a new slip cover for the couch. We went to Linens and Things and got an over the door holder for the iron (because I'm tired of keeping it on the floor in back of the door). At Target we got a beautiful chenille throw to put over the couch. We had a great barbeque on Sunday with many and sundried relatives. We watched all three episodes of Six Feet Under. We slept late. I did not walk on the treadmill, even though I said that I would. We also did not watch Call Me Madam. We will have to do that here in the city. So we did, indeed, have a busy and wonderful 4th of July weekend.

I saw Broadway: The Golden Age in mid-June and loved it. Can't wait for the DVD release with all the other material he couldn't fit into the theatrical release. It's amazing to think that possible investors could think you would be able to make a documentary about the golden age of Broadway by talking to current young performers. I love Audra McDonald and Brian Stokes-Mitchell but the "golden age of Broadway". I think not. I want to hear what they say about it in the DVD but it was much more exciting to hear from Elizabeth Ashley and Maureen Stapleton and Ben Gazzara and Gwen Verdon and those who were actually part of the time. Watching Alec Baldwin in the midst of all those people just made you realize how out of sync it would have been to use all the "young uns"

I'm seeing Frogs on Friday. Looking forward to it.

I'll have to think about wrong-headed casting. I didn't see Miss Peters in Annie Get Your Gun. I waited until Reba went in to the show and I must say, that was great casting. Fit like a glove.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: William E. Lurie on July 06, 2004, 06:02:10 AM
Worst casting I saw was Carol Lawrence as Fanny Brice in FUNNY GIRL in stock and Glenn Close as Nellie Forbush in SOUTH PACIFIC on television (with New Orleans native Harry Connick, Jr. as mainline Philadelphian Cable).
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 06:16:07 AM
Up very early, and thanks to those who've already sent vibes and xylophones - keep 'em coming strongly.

Cornell Woolrich was, in fact, one of the most adapted authors in the history of films.  Also adapted from his work Waltz into Darkness were two films - No Man of Her Own with Barbara Stanwyck, and While I Was Sleeping (I think that's the one - the one with Sandra Bullock, or WAS it Mrs. Winterbourne, maybe I'm confusing them).  The Chase with Robert Cummings was from The Black Path of Fear, and, of course, Jacques Tourneur's The Leopard Man was from Black Alibi.  Two films have been made from his short story Nightmare, The Black Curtain was used for an Alfred Hitchcock Hour, and The Window with Bobby Driscoll was adapted from one of his short stories.  There are more.  One of my favorite writers.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jennifer on July 06, 2004, 06:28:46 AM
Is DR Andrea back from Italy?  Well either way Happy Birthday!

I saw Bernadette Peters in AGYG and thought she was very good.

Excellent vibes to BK ~~~~~~~~~~~.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jennifer on July 06, 2004, 06:31:32 AM
DR Jason I hope that you are doing better today.  I think your idea of taking a day is a good one.  Then I would send an email.  But I don't think I would lay everything out so soon.

If you need to talk, email me.  And feel better.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on July 06, 2004, 06:33:18 AM
BK - This review should sort it out:

"It's said that nothing new comes out of Hollywood these days, and that's certainly the case with Mrs. Winterbourne, a romantic comedy based on Cornell Woolrich's I Married a Dead Man. This film creates a sense of deja vu that may have viewers flashing back to last year's While You Were Sleeping, a remarkably similar story. However, while Sleeping boasted the talents of a charismatic Sandra Bullock and affable Bill Pullman, Mrs. Winterbourne has an irritating Ricki Lake and bland Brendan Fraser. It's not hard to guess which is the better movie."

Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 06:38:08 AM
Of course, it's I Married a Dead Man, and both While I Was Sleeping and Mrs. Winterbourne.  Waltz into Darkness was The Mississippi Mermaid/Original Sin.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 06:43:56 AM
Forgot Deadline at Dawn from Woolrich/Irish's novel, and Street of Chance with Burgess Meredith, also from The Black Curtain.  And two or three Woolrich stories were used in the classic TV series Thriller, including the eerie Papa Benjamin.  He was also adapted hundreds of times for radio - shows like Suspense, Inner Sanctum, etc.

Oh, and forgot one of the best Woolich adaptations - Four O'Clock on the Alfred Hitchcock Hour, directed by Hitch himself, with E.G. Marshall.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on July 06, 2004, 06:46:38 AM
What an extraordinary bibliography for Cornell Woolrich. But is he your source for "Clever These Americans"? (The story's title is also listed as "Damned Clever, These Americans.")
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 06:52:08 AM
I think the phrase was around before him, but certainly now that I know it's from a Woolrich/Irish story, I know that's where I've heard it.  At one time, I had a complete first edition collection of every single Woolrich/Irish/Hopley book and every single issue (hundreds) of Ellery Queen Mystery Magazine that had a Woolrich story.  My darling daughter and I used to go out on weekends hunting for issues (when she was eight or nine) - we were cherce scavengers haunting every weird used book and magazine store from downtown LA to the Valley to Santa Monica.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Matt H. on July 06, 2004, 07:06:20 AM
Worst casting? I really had no clue until William Lurie's mention of Glenn Close reminded me how much I hated Jason Alexander as Albert Peterson in BYE BYE BIRDIE and Matthew Broderick as Harold Hill in THE MUSIC MAN. They're the worst I've seen.

Dorothy Lamour was my first Dolly, so I can't be too mean about her as I had nothing to compare her to. She was never a great actress and was not used to projecting in a huge theater (miking was fairly primitive back in those days.) But she sang so much better than the Carol Channing on the recording I had that I liked her.

I can't think of any people in the theater I actually thought were so very miscast that I saw. I'm sure Raquel Welch was ridiculous as Victor/Victoria, but I didn't see her.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 07:37:54 AM
Might I just ask where in tarnation IS everyone this fine morning when excellent vibes and xylophones are needed?  In any case, I'm off to deal with the blechhy business and will return, hopefully VERY shortly.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Matt H. on July 06, 2004, 08:04:37 AM
Off for another pool afternoon. It's going to be 95 here today, so this will be a most opportune excursion this afternoon.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jennifer on July 06, 2004, 08:47:57 AM
Wow, where is everybody today?
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 06, 2004, 08:55:52 AM
BK, in one of his not unusual quandries, posed:

Quote
I was taught to clean my plate and I’m afraid that old habits die hard. Clever, these Americans.
Why did I just write “Clever, these Americans”? That was a non-sequitur if there ever was one. It just came out, just like that. There I was, merrily typing away, when out came, “Clever, these Americans”. If anyone has a clew as to why, do let us all know.

Herewith, a possible clew:

We must tie the mystery phrase to the cleaning of one's plate.

When I was young and growing up (not to be confused with old and still not grown up) we were told to clean our plate with the admonition; "Think of all those poor starving Armenians."  Now, in those days, "Armenians" were a mythical people in a far away land - they had not yet invaded Glendale. An Armenian is just a few careless keystokes away from an American.

der Brucer (being his usual not too helpful self)
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jennifer on July 06, 2004, 09:01:31 AM
Let's move to Page Two!
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jennifer on July 06, 2004, 09:04:01 AM
Page Two Dance!!!!

 [move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%] :D ;D :-* ::) :D ;D :-* ::) :D ;D :-* ::) :D ;D :-* ::) [/move]
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Emily on July 06, 2004, 09:10:32 AM
DR Andrea is indeed still in Florence and was very happy to learn that b-day greetings were coming to her from HHW.

She says thanks! (if only she could figure out how to get to an actual website using a mac-Italian pay by the minute computer to tell you herself! so far she's only mastered msn-ing florence style!)
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: George on July 06, 2004, 09:11:15 AM
I can't think of any people in the theater I actually thought were so very miscast that I saw. I'm sure Raquel Welch was ridiculous as Victor/Victoria, but I didn't see her.

I didn't see her either, but I'd heard that Raquel Welch in Applause also wasn't quite the best actress-to-role match.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 06, 2004, 09:12:14 AM
Good Afternoon!

-I just missed Good Morning - well, at least here in the Eastern Time Zone.  Ah, well...

I tried to get up early today, and I even opened my eyes when my clock-radio went off at 7:40.  However, the next time I opened my eyes it was 9:15; and then it was 11:15.  So...  *I really was caught off guard since I kept waiting for the finale of the Debussy String Quartet that was playing, but the next thing I remember hearing was the Dvorak Sonatine.  Amazing how the mind works - and doesn't work so to speak.

Wrong casting... The only thing that comes to mind is Peter Karrie in the pre-Broadway run of Shogun: The Musical.  -He was later replaced by Philip Casnoff.  It appeared that he was cast since he had that same facial hair as Richard Chamberlain.  Admittedly, it was really not a good show, but when someone bad sticks out in a bad show... *I actually bought the sweatshirt - Do you think I could get anything for it on E-bay? ;)
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 06, 2004, 09:13:49 AM
OH!  Does anyone know what Mssrs. Karrie and Casnoff have been up to lately?
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: George on July 06, 2004, 09:13:53 AM
BK, you want vibes?  We got vibes for you!

(http://www.marimbas.com/images/new35frnt1.jpg)

Here are some more vibes:

(http://www.marimbas.com/images/new35lft.jpg)

Here are also some xylophones for you:

(http://www.mathcs.duq.edu/~iben/xyloph.gif)

Here's some marimbas for you:

(http://www.mathcs.duq.edu/~iben/marimba2.gif)

And we even got glockenspiels for you:

(http://www.haineshisway.com/community/attachments/K-100W3_open.jpg)
On a stand, even! ;D
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: JoseSPiano on July 06, 2004, 09:16:33 AM
It's hot here in Richmond too.  But at least no storms today.

*And since the young woman who lives upstairs still keeps her A/C on high - all the time - we have yet to turn on our A/C since the heat started coming back a few weeks ago. 8)

Now I just need to get motivated and get out of here and start checking on some part-time job possibilities... Hmm...
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: George on July 06, 2004, 09:18:20 AM
OH!  Does anyone know what Mssrs. Karrie and Casnoff have been up to lately?

I don't know about Mr. Karrie, but Philip Casnoff has been playing Chief of Staff Dr. Robert Jackson on the TV show "Strong Medicine" for several years, now.  My sister and my niece watch it religiously, and the few episodes I've seen, I always say, "That's the guy who was in Chess on Broadway! I've got the album!" (an Oh, Brother! reference)
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: George on July 06, 2004, 09:19:54 AM
Now I must go to work and make money.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Noel on July 06, 2004, 09:29:57 AM
Encores! usually has wonderful casting.  Quite often, they find some unknown who, the following year, goes on to major stardom.  But the casting of Peter Friedman in On a Clear Day You Can See Forever practically did in the show.  Charmless, and not a strong voice.  You couldn't imagine what Kristen Chenoweth could possibly see in him

Also surprisingly incapable: this year's Doris Roberts in Bye Bye Birdie
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Noel on July 06, 2004, 09:30:55 AM
She played Albert's mother.  Like sludge
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on July 06, 2004, 09:41:42 AM
Kiss of the Spider Woman had its world premiere in Toronto, and I thought Chita Rivera was miscast. She was also poorly costumed - her arms looking awfully flabby. I believe the show had a major renovation before opening in New York.

I liked Michele Lee in Seesaw, but think that Laine Kazan would have been a far better Gittel. Michael Bennett tossed her out of the show using a don't-get-zaftig contractual clause

Margaret Hamilton as A Little Night Music's Madam Armfeldt (touring production) was a very pleasant surprise.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on July 06, 2004, 09:45:29 AM
Elizabeth Allen wasn't exactly miscast in Do I Hear A Waltz but she was prettier than she should have been, making the story less than believable.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: JMK on July 06, 2004, 09:45:31 AM
Well we have been quite E&T of late, due to a number of mitigating factors.

Dear spouse Betsy has started her brand spanking new job as Executive Director of Oregon Women Lawyers.  She is very excited, as are the women lawyers.

I am knee-deep in my summer concert series with the splendid Tigard Pops Choir.  We had a wonderful outdoor concert on July 4 at the Tigard Farmer's Market.  After we were through, manifold vendors descended upon us, showering us (in a good way) with beautiful fresh-cut flowers (including some of the most incredibly gorgeous orchids you've ever seen) and organic fruit of all shapes and sizes.  Free!!

And I have been manically parsing the several pounds of Criterion DVD releases I got during DDDVD's recent 20% sale (wow--most of them were $17!!).  So, here's today's "can you answer that" question for you encyclopedic film buffs out there.  On "The Lady Eve" supplements, there is a quite stunning photo of a very elegant Miss Frances Farmer sitting at a table with Mr. Preston Sturges, probably at the private Paramount screening of that film (and, as some of you know, Sturges very much wanted Farmer for the role that ultimately went to Veronica Lake in "Sullivan's Travels").  Anyway, standing between them is this man:

Does anyone know who he is?  (JR and I are guessing it may be Buddy deSylva).
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Stuart on July 06, 2004, 09:46:09 AM
Kiss of the Spider Woman had its world premiere in Toronto,

Not to quibble, DR DIT, but KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN had its world premiere in Purchase NY, in a production (that I saw) which featured neither Miss Rivera, nor half the score the work now possesses.  The SpiderWoman/Aurora in that production was played by ersatz producer Lauren Mitchell, while the male roles were taken by John Rubenstein and Kevin Gray.  While not as dreadful as it was made out to be, the work that was done to the show since that initial production significantly improved it.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: JMK on July 06, 2004, 09:48:22 AM
May I ask you technophiles how you embed images in between lines of text (as in the marimba/xylophone above)?  Inquiring minds want to know.

And in kind-of wrong casting--I saw Vivian Blaine as Madame Hortense in "Zorba" years ago.  She played it like Adelaide, which of course is a bit jarring.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on July 06, 2004, 09:48:33 AM
I didn't see Mary Martin in The Sound of Music, but at age 46 wasn't she a bit long in the tooth for the role?
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: JMK on July 06, 2004, 09:54:50 AM
Non musical miscasting:  Richard Chamberlain in Richard III.  The hump gave a better performance.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: JMK on July 06, 2004, 09:57:09 AM
BK--you surely have a most excellent source for good marimbas:  Cissy and/or David! :)
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: VinTek on July 06, 2004, 10:04:20 AM
<surface> Worst bit of casting I've ever personally witnessed:  Milton Berle as Nathan Detroit.  <submerge>
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Dan-in-Toronto on July 06, 2004, 10:10:05 AM
Not to quibble, DR DIT, but KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN had its world premiere in Purchase NY.

Who's quibbling - but was the Purchase production a premiere or a workshop? OK, so maybe the line between the two is fuzzy.  
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jennifer on July 06, 2004, 10:12:50 AM
Wow, I guess some of us have different tastes in musicals.  But to me "miscast" suggests someone who was really not right for a role.

I LOVED Chita Rivera in Kiss Of The Spider Woman.  In fact it was seeing her in the touring production that ignited my love for musical theatre.  Up until that point I had never been to NYC.  And the only national tours I had seen were Les Mis, POTO and Cats.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jason on July 06, 2004, 10:15:44 AM
Thanks for all the advice and council. I've decided to back off for a couple of days and give some space to the situation. I'm still feeling a HUGE amount of anxiety and I'm just itching to contact him, but I'm trying my best to be patient and--more importantly--sane. Life is like a box of chocolates. Eat them too fast and you'll throw up on the floor. Not only have I been shoveling in the chocolates, I've been force-feeding them to my friend, as well, and if there's anything I hate more it's vomiting on the floor, so it's time to put the Godiva's up on the high shelf and start rationing out the good stuff. What the hell am I talking about?
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jennifer on July 06, 2004, 10:15:44 AM
Hey don't forget The Amazing Race premieres tonight on CBS at 9:30pm ET.

If anyone is looking for a fun summer series to follow I would highly recommend this show.  Even for those who don't normally like reality tv.  You get to see great locations.  And apparently this season will have some new twists, including a yield pass that teams can use to stop other teams for 1 hour.

Also supposedly there is some big thing at the non-elimination rounds that will make it very difficult on the teams involved.

I can't wait!
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Dan (the Man) on July 06, 2004, 10:28:37 AM
[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]BELATED VIBES OF POWER AND GLORY FOR BK!!![/move]

So terribly sorry for being so e & t this weekend, but after my sister's wonderful 3rd of July pool party/picnic on Saturday, I found myself shanghaied by a couple of Irish immigrants and taken to a house located on an island off the Jersey coast and forced to listlessly lie in the sun, frolic in the ocean, check out beach bodies of all persuasions, dine on various forms of seafood, stroll the boards, behold night time skies full of fireworks and spend the late night hours in the pursuit of drunken conversation.  It was actually not as bad as it sounds.  The one stipulation these Irish immigrants have is that their house is kept totally free of all things televised and computerized, so I could not gloat post even if I wanted to.  

You would think that after such a weekend that I was ready to come back to work with my batteries recharged and a smile on my face.  But at some point this morning while I was getting dressed, I realized that this was the first time in days that I was wearing shoes, socks, pants and perhaps underwear.  All I could think to myself was, "This sucks..."

TOD:  The worse case of stage miscasting I ever saw was in a touring company of Pippin years back.  I don't recall the name of the actor who played Pippin at the mo', but he was short, scrawny and pale with long thin hair and glasses and sang in a thin reedy voice.  Not at all in the neighborhood of Pippins that I was accustomed to.  I could sort of see what they were going for by casting this guy as Pippin, but he was much too nerdy and uncharismatic to pull it off.

TOY:  My fav cartoon characters were the Ducks, Donald and Daffy.  I loved allof the Jay Ward Stuff, from Rocky and Bullwinkle to George of the Jungle.  I also remember liking a lot of the Saturday morning stuff:  The Space Kidettes, Frankenstein Jr and the Impossibles, Birdman, The Inhumanoids, Josie and the Pussycats and the Wacky Races.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jay on July 06, 2004, 10:48:35 AM
Tony Curtis (in the Joe E. Brown role) in the musical version of Some Like It Hot a couple of years ago was pretty lame.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 10:57:24 AM
I'm back, and to prove it, I'm here.  The blechhy business actually went very quickly and painlessly, so thank you for your always-excellent and potent good vibes.  The rights thing has not gone well as yet - their first response was "no" but Tammy has done her job well and is not backing down, so they are now "reconsidering" although they say their answer may still be no.  Tammy's talking to a lawyer now and then we have to make the decision whether to call their bluff (I believe their "no" was really to see if we'd just do the full fold and go away, or if we were going to hang tough) and just tell them "sorry, the author's agent gave us these rights and we're doing the show and if you have a problem we'll see you in court" or whether we have to come up with yet another "plan."  I have another plan in the back of my head, and have had it since last week.  It would be intense to try to implement it, but if we must, we must, and I'll work around the clock to do so.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jrand74 on July 06, 2004, 11:00:54 AM
More good vibes....if MR BK still needs them!

Hmmmmmmmmmm......miscasting.  I guess I would have to say....and I haven't witnessed many....it would be Marie Osmond in THE SOUND OF MUSIC.  She was terrible, but she wasn't Maria either...and for some reason, she decided that the whole show was a comedy!  And she certainly was well endowed!
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: George on July 06, 2004, 11:04:26 AM
May I ask you technophiles how you embed images in between lines of text (as in the marimba/xylophone above)?  Inquiring minds want to know.

To imbed an image within the text of a post, you have to link an image that's already somewhere on the Internet.  If you quote my message, you can see the Internet link and code.

You find an image somewhere on the Internet, right click on the picture and click on "Properties."  You should see "Address (URL)" and an Internet address for the individual image.  If you triple click on it (assuming you're using a Windows-based PC...I have no idea about Macs), that Internet address will be completely highlighted.  I'd recommend triple clicking instead of highlighting manually, because the entire address may not show.  Anyway, after it's highlighted, right click on the highlighted area and click "Copy."  Then, create a post at HHW and paste the image link where you want it.  NOW THE IMPORTANT PART:  highlight again the entire Internet link and click the "Insert Image" option above...it's directly under the "Glow" option (fifth from the left in the second row) as part of the "Add YABBC tags" options.  

When you do it this way (as opposed to "attaching" an image file), you can preview it and see exactly what it's going to look like.  I hope this helps!

I'll also add this message to the Technical Support board under the "What is 'Insert Image' " topic, since someone may look there also.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jay on July 06, 2004, 11:04:39 AM
Has anyone in these parts seen The Notebook?  Was wondering if it was worth seeing.  I've heard it's a real weepie.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 11:06:46 AM
Good morning. I don't know if understudies count, but when I was working at the Shaw Festival in Canada, the actor playing Col. Pickering in Pygmalion suddenly took ill. His understudy was a very young actor - mut have been in his early twenties. The Pickering- Higgins duo looked very strange indeed.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jennifer on July 06, 2004, 11:07:00 AM
Hey BK, I thought you said that you could just not do the last 2 days of the play.  So then you wouldn't be doing the show at the same time as the other people.  That isn't good enough?

Also are the two first play options definitely out?

Friday I thought that they (the people holding the rights) said that they would probably let you do it?

Personally if it won't cost you too much I would call their bluff.  Tell them that you were given permission.  And that you've already put work into this.  And unless they want to reimburse you for your time (the auditions ...) they should stop changing their mind!
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 11:09:51 AM
Has anyone in these parts seen The Notebook?  Was wondering if it was worth seeing.  I've heard it's a real weepie.
Saw it. It IS a weepie. Worth seeing for the performance of James Garner. But I wouldn't go out of my way to see it.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: DERBRUCER on July 06, 2004, 11:12:40 AM
A marimba...
and maybe a celeste or a celestina (is there a difference?)

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celesta) reports:

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The celesta (pronounced se-lest-a or cheh-lest-a) is a keyboard musical instrument found in symphony orchestras. The keys on the celesta are connected to rods which strike metal bars similar to those found on the glockenspiel. It also usually has wooden resonators. The most famous uses of the celesta is in the Dance of the Sugarplum Fairy from Tchaikovsky's ballet, The Nutcracker and the title theme of the Harry Potter Movies.

FactMonster  (http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/ent/A0811028.html) adds:

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celesta , keyboard musical instrument patented in 1886 by Auguste Mustel of Paris. It consists of a set of steel bars fastened over wood resonators and struck by hammers operated from the keyboard. The compass is four octaves upward from middle C. Its tone is delicate and ethereal. Tchaikovsky, in his Nutcracker Suite, was one of the first composers to write for it.


Here is a celeste contribution by one of Panni's pals:

(http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/07/46/46/25/0007464625982_150X150.jpg)

Bartok - Music For Strings Percussion And Celesta

Here is a choice version all alone in the world:

(http://www.fdk-online.com/schiedmayer/images/intro2.gif)

A full symphony 5½ Octave beauty:

(http://www.fdk-online.com/schiedmayer/images/4.gif)

And a smaller 3 Octave Tastenglockenspiel - which I suspect is your celestina

(http://www.fdk-online.com/schiedmayer/images/5.gif)

These instruments available from  Schiedmayer  (http://www.fdk-online.com/schiedmayer/main2.html) in Stuggart

der Brucer
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 11:13:17 AM
They know all the permutations.  They know we're into it for money.  They know we're willing to cooperate by closing a week early - and they still said no.  Tammy will talk to her lawyer and then we'll make a decision.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Charles Pogue on July 06, 2004, 11:13:30 AM
Worst miscasting I ever saw:  Nicol Williamson doing a one-man show of John Barrymore at the Geffen Theatre.  I've railed about this show at length here before, so will keep my bitchin' to a minimum.  But I'm something of a Barrymore aficionado.  Two large portraits of him hang in my home; one a great photo of him in his Svengali make-up and costume developed from the original negative.  I've read every Bio on him and have an original program from his Hamlet at the Haymarket in London.

Not only did Williamson not make any attempt to look or sound like Barrymore, it was like he didn't really study his life that deeply.  He seemed to simply use a basic Barrymore framework to stick in a bunch of personal schtick he wanted to do onstage and just farted around on stage for close to two hours.  It was far more a portrait of him than Barrymore.  And a rather unflattering portrait at that.  Sloppy and undisciplined.  He stumbled over his lines continually.  It was probably the most masturbatory performance I've ever seen and showed stunning contempt for its subject, its audience and the theatre in general.  But what was laughable is a goodly portion of the audience gave him a standing ovation...it was like anyone British or with a reputation gets one these days, even if they're thumbing their nose at the audience.  And I said I wouldn't do too much bitchin'.  Ahhh, well...

It was such a relief to see Christopher Plummer's supreme Barrymore show to get the bad taste of this one out of my mouth.

Someone in Broadway - The Golden Age...Jay, help me out here...I think it was Sondheim...or was it Frank Langella?...talked about how the reason everything gets a standing ovation these days is that people have paid so much for their tickets that they have to justify to themselves that they were a part of something significant and memorable...very plausible theory, I think.

I too am a big Cornell Woolirch, aka George Hopely, aka William Irish, fan and have sizable collection though not as extensive as Bk's once was.  In the appendix of Francis Nevins Bio of Woolrich, "First You Dream, Then You Die."...he lists over a hundred and sixty film, radio, and TV adaptations of Woolrich's work...and I don't think he has listed the last few film adaptations.  

I myself have been trying to adapt, RENDEZVOUS IN BLACK for years...have a twenty-five page scene-for-scene treatment of it, but the rights situation is very complex and almost impenetrable.  

I MARRIED A DEAD MAN...from which No Man Of Her Own and later, Mrs. Winterbourne (made into an inexplicable comedy) were adapted...has one of the most gripping openings I've ever read.  Sometimes Woolrich's logic could be a bit dicey, but his prose style could cover up a multitude of sins and just carry you along with its visceral poetry.

Noel, I too am very happy with the choice of Edwards as Kerry's running mate.  I think I would have banged my head against the wall if he had picked that stale old news, Gephardt (as The New York Post emblazoned on its headline today...everyone should run out and get a copy of that issue, it'll be a political collector curio like "Dewey Wins").
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jennifer on July 06, 2004, 11:23:20 AM
BK can you tell us what the icky business was about?
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jrand74 on July 06, 2004, 11:27:31 AM
Yes DRCP....and of course John Barrymore co-starred with Miss Frances Farmer in WORLD PREMIERE.

And as I have said before....at one time I struck up a conversation with a lady who turned out to be the daughter of Paul Huber who was in HAMLET on Broadway in the 1920's with Mr. Barrymore.  She had her father's scrapbooks and they were very interesting!
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jay on July 06, 2004, 11:30:09 AM
It was Dear BK's good friend Stephen Sondheim who made those comments, Dear Reader Charles Pogue.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jane on July 06, 2004, 11:48:57 AM
Up very early, and thanks to those who've already sent vibes and xylophones - keep 'em coming strongly.

Cornell Woolrich was, in fact, one of the most adapted authors in the history of films.  Also adapted from his work Waltz into Darkness were two films - No Man of Her Own with Barbara Stanwyck, and While I Was Sleeping (I think that's the one - the one with Sandra Bullock, or WAS it Mrs. Winterbourne, maybe I'm confusing them).  The Chase with Robert Cummings was from The Black Path of Fear, and, of course, Jacques Tourneur's The Leopard Man was from Black Alibi.  Two films have been made from his short story Nightmare, The Black Curtain was used for an Alfred Hitchcock Hour, and The Window with Bobby Driscoll was adapted from one of his short stories.  There are more.  One of my favorite writers.

I thught WHILE YOU WERE SLEEPING was charming, MRS WINTERBOURNE with Ricki Lake was horrible.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 11:49:26 AM
No, the blechhy business isn't really for public consumption - just an unnecessary annoyance that had to be dealt with and was dealt with swiftly and easily and pointlessly.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jrand74 on July 06, 2004, 11:50:33 AM
Getting ready for dress rehearsal and press/family night.  Whew!  
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jane on July 06, 2004, 12:12:48 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ANDREA!!

Jason, I agree with your decision to slow down a few days and hope you get a call.

I’m rushing today, just noticed I wrote I thught, not thought.   :-[
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jane on July 06, 2004, 12:26:07 PM
JFK congratulations to Betsy and her new job.   I wish I could go to Portland and one of your concerts.


Bruce, I didn’t expect you back so soon.   I’m glad the morning went well.
GOOD VIBES  on getting the rights problem solved to your satisfaction!!  
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jrand74 on July 06, 2004, 12:40:54 PM
Happy Birthday D Italian R ANDREA!!!   ;D

It's Tuesday, not Monday.  It's Tuesday not Wednesday.  So here is your Allison Hayes Picture of the Week!


Here she is Sign of the Pagan directed by Mr Douglas Sirk!

JMK is NOW JFK!!!!
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 12:42:11 PM
Rights are not looking good.  I just got off the phone with the boss of the sub-agent who told us we definitely had the rights, and he's doing the full weasel.  Lying, saying this woman never really said what she's already admitted to having said, both to Tammy and the stock and amateur people.  I'm disgusted and they're telling us the only way around it is for US to call this other theater group and to get them to agree to it.  I'm sure THAT will be happening, although we've put in a call.  What became clear to me in talking to this agent was that his "assertion" would be that this woman never said what WE'RE asserting - so it would just turn into "he said - she said" and you know what, who needs it.  Plan B might just be rearing its head this afternoon.  And with Plan B there will B no rights problems, that much I already know.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Dan (the Man) on July 06, 2004, 12:44:24 PM
More Feh! casting:  Whoopie Goldberg in Forum.  I had actually been looking forward to seeing her try her hand at the role, but she had no feel for the material.  A big disappointment, especially in comparison to Nathan Lane.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: S. Woody White on July 06, 2004, 12:49:01 PM
BREAKING NEWS: It's John Edwards.  I'm very excited.
You're getting all excited over the host of the Sci-Fi Channel's Crossing Over (http://www.scifi.com/johnedward/) show?
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Matt H. on July 06, 2004, 12:59:30 PM
I didn't see her either, but I'd heard that Raquel Welch in Applause also wasn't quite the best actress-to-role match.

I think it was WOMAN OF THE YEAR that she replaced Bacall on, not APPLAUSE. But she may have done it elsewhere that I didn't know about.

I actually saw Raquel in WOMAN OF THE YEAR, and it wasn't awful. Not great, nope, and couldn't sing harmony on anything if it killed her, but she was an OK replacement. I'd really like to see WOMAN OF THE YEAR with a REAL actress/singer - Debbie Gravitte comes to mind. I'd be able to judge the material much better with someone with real talent.

Another really welcome and wonderful surprise was Gretchyn Wyler in CALL ME MADAM. She had a glorious voice, the comedy timing of a master, and showed more star quality than many much more vaunted stars.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Matt H. on July 06, 2004, 01:05:45 PM
bk's mentioning Nanette Fabray doing MOLLY BROWN reminded me that I saw Debbie Reynolds do a tour of it in the 1980s!!! Way too old, way too overweight for it, and it was painful to see. MOLLY BROWN is not one of my favorite shows anyway, but this was desperation time.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Matt H. on July 06, 2004, 01:07:05 PM
Pool weather stunningly hot and bright today. Not a cloud in the sky so I took the opportunity to swim a lot and sun only a little. One could easily get burned in the weather we have today.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jennifer on July 06, 2004, 01:09:35 PM
Is plan B something you wrote?
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: George on July 06, 2004, 01:21:05 PM
I think it was WOMAN OF THE YEAR that she replaced Bacall on, not APPLAUSE. But she may have done it elsewhere that I didn't know about.

OOPS!  My bad. ::) Actually, it was Woman of the Year that I was thinking of.  I can remember seeing a picture of Raquel and Marilyn Cooper singing "The Grass Is Always Greener."  I knew that it was a Lauren Bacall show, and WOTY just slipped my mind.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: JMK on July 06, 2004, 01:22:18 PM
Not Plan B from Outer Space?  Oh, wait a minim...

Jane thanks for promoting me to our once and future President(s) (I can hope, can't I?).

We just got a new dishwasher installed.  I had been holding my breath all morning (no mean feat) because I have discovered, in doing various home improvement chores around these parts, that this home was designed by a sadist who made everything just a little unusually sized, so that it could not be easily replaced.  Sure 'nuff, once the guy pulled out the old dishwasher, we discovered a whole network of two-by-fours glued in back of it, which needed to be removed.  Plus the outlet wasn't grounded.  Oy, oy.  But now our gleaming new Kenmore Elite is in.  It is running and it can NOT be heard.  Amazing.  Our old Whirlpool used to cause the neighbors to call and request that we keep the racket down (small joke, but only kind of).
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: JMK on July 06, 2004, 01:24:00 PM
And may I just add, I love Sears?  You can buy a dishwasher there with 0% interest and not have to pay a dime until June 2005.  G-d bless America.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: George on July 06, 2004, 01:27:58 PM
Did anyone see Liza Minnelli in Victor/Victoria??  Was she miscast?
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Stuart on July 06, 2004, 01:28:49 PM
...and WOTY just slipped my mind.

WOTY has slipped many of our minds....talk about an "adequate" show.  Certainly not one of Kander & Ebb's most stellar scores, though "Sometimes a Day Goes By" is stunning, as is the song they added for Miss Welch (who I did see, and was admirable at times), "Who Would Have Dreamed?"

But speaking of Miss Reynolds, I am sorry that I missed her stint in WOTY, especially the performances (!) during which she apparently was "confused," and ran about the stage like a ....confused actress in the middle of a musical comedy.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jane on July 06, 2004, 01:35:34 PM


Jane thanks for promoting me to our once and future President(s) (I can hope, can't I?).


I’m really tired today and my brain feels like it’s in a fog.  So I’m reading this and wondering what the heck you are talking about.  I even went back to read what I wrote, of course not looking at your initials.  Then I’m thinking how my brain really isn’t working today when it dawned on me what I must have done.  I’m so relieved I figured it out without having to ask.  ;D ;D
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Michael on July 06, 2004, 02:04:48 PM
Reading from work. I am able to see page 1, but page 2 & 3 are coming up blank.

Worst actors? Have to think about which ones I saw, but how about Gena Elfin who was announced for the recent revival of Nine and then never appeared in it despite saying that she needed more rehersal time? Or Robert Stack appearing in the original production of La Cage Aux Folles. The producers even took a full page ad in the NY Times announcing his return to Broadway. I can still visualize the ad. He stood across from the Palace Theater in the middle of Broadway with his arm stretch opened. Not sure if they ever announced why he didn't appear.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 02:09:58 PM
Coming up blank?  Nevah.  Nevah.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 02:11:23 PM
I'm writing up a storm today. Boy, it feels good!
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 02:11:56 PM
And one for Arthur Miller!
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: S. Woody White on July 06, 2004, 02:14:32 PM
Elizabeth Allen wasn't exactly miscast in Do I Hear A Waltz but she was prettier than she should have been, making the story less than believable.
Elizabeth Allen and Sergio Franchi were BOTH too young for their parts.  He came off as an abusive boyfriend, telling her how women should behave and rejecting her every time she didn't conform to his controlling view.  Go home, Leona!  Run, while you still can!

Bleh.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 02:16:35 PM
Writing up a storm?  "The winds were blowing mercilessly, whilst the rain pelted all of Farmer William's pelts.  There was nothing worse than rain-pelted pelts, at least in Farmer William's opinion.  The wind was felling trees and the trees were feeling bad about the felling.  They had, in fact, that felling feeling.  The storm raged on and on."

There, now I, too, have written up a storm.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Ann on July 06, 2004, 02:20:54 PM
Oh the cleverness of me!
Just had to share this moment of triumph, silly as it may be. Riley, who is 5, had this little plastic skeleton of a T-Rex, held together by nothing by pegs in holes.  Playing as a five year old does with it, it kept falling apart in his hands, and he was getting rather frustrated.  I looked in vain for super glue or something to hold it together more securely...but no luck.  Then I got the bright idea to use a candle, melt the plastic along the cracks in the model, and fuse it together.  Wonder of wonders, it worked!  The tail is now staying where it should be, and the skull doesn't split open every thirty seconds.  Wasn't that clever?  Wasn't that just too too?
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: JMK on July 06, 2004, 02:22:44 PM
Re:  storm writing.  I am reminded of the classic Peanuts cartoon wherein Snoopy is attempting write the great American novel.  His first sentence is, of course, "It was a dark and stormy night," which sends Lucy off into paroxysms of critical nitpicking.  She rips Snoopy's attempt to shreds, finishing off her critique by saying "Character!  That's what makes an interesting opening paragraph.  Character!"  Snoopy then types atop his doghouse:  "He was a dark and stormy knight."
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: S. Woody White on July 06, 2004, 02:32:01 PM
I have just returned from getting my hair cut.  I now feel light and breezy.

TOD: Two performances, one male, one female.

Dean Jones played John Adams in 1776, but no one told him that it was supposed to be a serious role.  He kept flashing a big grin, trying for laughs and love.

Leslie Uggams had the same problem as the Witch in Into the Woods, and threw her arms open wide to gather in all the applause at the end of each number.

Maybe someone could cast them together as Harold and Marion in The Music Man.  Use your imaginations.  Scream from the horror.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jane on July 06, 2004, 02:38:22 PM
Ann, yes very clever of you, plus the knowledge there is now a happy five year old.  You should be very pleased with yourself. :)

While I was gone did you find another par time job?
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jason on July 06, 2004, 02:52:17 PM
I'm so disappointed that no one has mentioned Mr. Michael Crawford in DANCE OF THE VAMPIRES. Of course, I think I'm the only one here who actually saw it.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Ann on July 06, 2004, 03:21:40 PM
Quote from: Jane
While I was gone did you find another par time job?

[quote

Sadly no.  No new job, full time, part time, or any time at all.  The job market for a newly graduated college student is absolutely abysmal right now.  I know DR Jed will agree with me.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jane on July 06, 2004, 03:35:51 PM
Sorry, at least you have the job with the children you enjoy.  They sound so cute.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Matt H. on July 06, 2004, 04:04:57 PM
Just a quick comment about John Edwards. John Kerry could not have made a wiser choice because Mr. Edwards, our senior NC senator, brings something to the campaign that Kerry sorely needed: tons and tons of charisma. John Edwards actually makes people stop breathing when they're in his presence. Hard to explain, but the man is an electrifying presence, and I find Kerry's vast experience and Edwards' mesmerizing way with people to be a terrific combination.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Robin on July 06, 2004, 04:06:44 PM
The single worst performance of a headliner I've ever witnessed was in a touring company of Into the Woods, with PAT HARRINGTON's name above the title.  Now, I really had no idea who PAT HARRINGTON was, but apparently, he was on some long-running sitcom I've never seen, and had a small part in a terrific movie called The President's Analyst.

In this production, he was lazy, couldn't carry a tune, and didn't seem to give a damn.  Which was a pity, since the rest of the cast were really good.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Matt H. on July 06, 2004, 04:08:10 PM
Elizabeth Allen and Sergio Franchi were BOTH too young for their parts.  He came off as an abusive boyfriend, telling her how women should behave and rejecting her every time she didn't conform to his controlling view.  Go home, Leona!  Run, while you still can!

Bleh.


Shirley Booth played Leona in the original play version of the story. Knowing that she could sing and had a way with music that could leave a tear in your eye, I wonder if they were ever tempted to cast her in DO I HEAR A WALTZ? What middle aged singing actress could have done it justice then? Angela Lansbury? Mary Martin? Nanette Fabray?
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Robin on July 06, 2004, 04:08:24 PM
And the casting of Matthew Broderick in The Mucus Man was certainly memorable...if nothing else.  
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Matt H. on July 06, 2004, 04:11:03 PM
I'm assuming Pat Harrington played the Baker? Or the Narrator/Mysterious Man? He was in ONE DAY AT A TIME for six years or so, but seems like he was on earlier sitcoms, too, that maybe didn't last as long.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 04:12:02 PM
Geez, I turn my back for one minute and you make stormy fun of me!
Well, I'm going to be mature about this. All I have to says is...
                                                                                               (http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/sauer/angry-smiley-021.gif)        
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 04:23:58 PM
Brando sightings - My landlady was telling me that Marlon Brando's former maid with whom he had two or three children, lived just a few houses up the street. And he would come and visit her from time to time. Also, an ice cream emporium near here (now a sandwich and yogurt place) was where he would hang out consuming vast amounts of the stuff.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 04:25:33 PM
It's not enough that my stormy writing gets mocked, but now I have to be a frenzy of one?! Sheesh!
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Matt H. on July 06, 2004, 04:25:41 PM
I just read that relatives are now fighting over Brando's possessions knowing they're going to bring vast sums on the auction market.

Vultures, all.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Danise on July 06, 2004, 04:35:27 PM
Evening all.  

Sorry they are late but I do send my very best vibes/wishes your way that things turn out how you want them to, Bruce.  

Not much to say.  Work is work.  Even at a higher pay level.   :)

I played a little Book Worm but didn't finish it.  I'm not a very good speller. It takes me a long time to come up with a word after awhile.

I see Ken Jennings is still on Jeopardy.  Now THAT''S a Clever American!  

We now have 4 (count'em) 4 (!) frog/toads in my little shed outside.     And these are BIG frog/toads.  I don't know where they are coming from or who is putting the word out that my shed is the place to be.  I guess I should be grateful.  To be as big as they are they must be eating lots of bugs.

Not much going on or did I say that?  

Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 04:42:19 PM
I've just received in the mail the most wonderful gift from Dan-in-Toronto.... an original Playbill (August, 1941) from PANAMA HATTIE, starring Ethel Merman (Music & Lyrics by Mr. Cole Porter)! Listed among the "Dancing Girls" are June Allyson, Lucille Bremmer, Vera Ellen and Doris Dowling. I'm going to offer the Playbill to Doris' husband, if he does not have it. Thank you, DR Dan-in-TO!
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 04:48:20 PM
The cover of the PANAMA HATTIE Playbill, featuring a gorgeous Ethel Merman...
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 04:57:24 PM
I think I've put us in modified Cinerama. We're almost at the next page and the picture is so lovely that perhaps it's worth it.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Jane on July 06, 2004, 05:01:44 PM
Danise I forgot to mention I like your avatar.  I sure had missed it.

Panni-nice picture of Ethel Merman.  I didn’t realize she was so attractive.
Title: Re:CLEVER, THESE AMERICANS
Post by: Robin on July 06, 2004, 05:09:51 PM
I'm assuming Pat Harrington played the Baker? Or the Narrator/Mysterious Man?

Right the second time.  Though I would put quotes around the verb, as in: I'm assuming Pat Harrington "played" the Narrator/Mysterious Man.
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Post by: Robin on July 06, 2004, 05:11:26 PM
Panni-nice picture of Ethel Merman.  I didn’t realize she was so attractive.

She was possibly the prettiest woman ever named "Ethel".
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Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 05:28:02 PM
She was possibly the prettiest woman ever named "Ethel".

I think Vivian Vance was also quite an attractive lady and was dowdied down for her role.
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Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
A few more scintillating posts and we'll be out of Stereo...

Just read that THE HONEYMOONERS is being made as a "contemporary feature." Will be shot in Ireland. (Ireland??) And will star Cedric the Entertainer and Mike Epps (have no idea who he is) in the Kramden and Norton roles. I can just imagine... Or maybe I can't.
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Post by: Jane on July 06, 2004, 06:12:38 PM
I found that Cedric the Entertainer will play Ralph Cramden.   I guess then Mike Epps will play Norton.  For a photo and info on Epps: http://www.tribute.ca/bio.asp?id=8264

Originally the movie should have been released last year, now it will be this July.

I looked up HONEYMOONERS at found the following site for the movie with Epps & Cedric-http://movies.go.com/movies/H/honeymooners_2003/.

I also found another movie, different subject, with the same title:  http://www.dubliniff.com/movies/honeymooners.html
Did anyone see this film? (note, it too was shot in Ireland)
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Post by: Jason on July 06, 2004, 06:22:46 PM
I'm having a serious bout of weakness. I'm keeping the cell phone on the other side of the room so I won't call or text message anyone. I won't pick up the phone...I won't pick up the phone...I won't pick up the phone. This is crazy. CRAZY! I just got dinner and just looking at it makes me feel queasy. I'm just not hungry at all. Maybe I'm dying. That's got to be it...I'm dying a slow, painful, idiotic death...
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Post by: Jane on July 06, 2004, 07:07:22 PM
Hang in there Jason.  :)
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Post by: Jane on July 06, 2004, 07:45:32 PM
Chatty group tonight.  

I'm off to check out what is in the DVD player.

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Post by: Matt H. on July 06, 2004, 08:12:12 PM
I got my Charlie Chan boxed DVD set today, so I know how I'll be spending tomorrow. No time today to dive into it, but will definitely watch one or two of them tomorrow. They're not long, so I should be able to fit in two of them easily.

Poor MYSTIC RIVER keeps getting pushed back for lighter, more fun films.
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Post by: Matt H. on July 06, 2004, 08:15:31 PM
After the movie TRICK finshed up this afternoon, I popped in another gay-themed film: ALL OVER THE GUY. Not one of the greats, certainly, but entertaining enough. Wish the writer could have come up with a more satisfying, uncliched ending. Yes, it's a happy ending, OK, but it certainly felt contrived to the max.
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Post by: Emily on July 06, 2004, 08:18:45 PM
Jason... go for a nice long long long long walk (sans cell phone of course!) :)
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Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 08:46:47 PM
Tammy and I just spent several hours discussing Plan B, and I left the decision to her, which she'll make first thing in the morning.  We'll either do Plan B (which would be a LOT of work, but which would not be a problem, rights-wise), or the Neil LaBute play, which they DID give us not only the rights for, but tendered the contract, which was signed and sent back with payment.  Our argument would be "tough beans" we have a contract, period, end of story.  Tammy does open herself up for potential problems should Mr. LaBute, his agents, or the licensing service wish to pursue them.  It's doubtful they would - they lady who rented us the Hudson said it's happened several times there, where the rights were suddenly withdrawn but the people went right ahead and did the play anyway.  They got a cease and desist letter, but finished their run - without further notice or repurcusion.  After all, we're only talking about eighteen performances - it would be hard to prove damages, especially in the face of the contract we received.  But, if Tammy were to opt for that, she would be pissing off Mr. LaBute and I'm not sure that's what's best for her.  We shall see - I'm comfortable with either decision, but if it's the play, we have to have casting sessions once again, and immediately.
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Post by: Jason on July 06, 2004, 08:51:40 PM
Emily: I thought about going to the gym again--work off some of these emotions--but instead I decided to stay home and sing. I don't think it necessarily helped that I chose to sing PASSION ("...I'm someone to be loved..."), but it felt nice to let some of that sadness and anger and frustration out. Thank God I have that creative outlet. Otherwise I don't know what I'd do. I should probably choose some more uplifting things to sing (CAROLINE, OR CHANGE and PASSION aren't quite musical "comedy"), but they express exactly what I'm feeling, so for now they work for me. I'm looking forward to the day that I can sing something happy again...
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Post by: TCB on July 06, 2004, 08:58:40 PM
Does anyone happen to have a copy of the now infamous New York Post from this morning???  I would gladly pay the postage for the chance to add such a paper to my collection.
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Post by: JoseSPiano on July 06, 2004, 09:03:48 PM
Good Evening!

I'm heading to bed shortly, so...

I really MUST get up early tomorrow and start checking out some leads for part-time work.  I'm just so non-motivated to do so mainly because I haven't had a "day job" in about five years.  And my last two "day jobs", I literally walked into the stores, asked if they were hiring, and I got hired.  And I was a manager and a buyer at both places!  I'm not looking forward to filling out applications, but I know that's what I have to do, so...  I had planned to take the summer off as it was, but since after checking out other leads, it doesn't look like any gigs will be coming up until mid-November at this point.  The only "comfort" I have is that all my other musician-friends are in the same boat.  Ehh...  It's just the way everyone's seasons lined up.  No tours going out until the end of the year - at least union ones.  And most of the theatres in DC are holding off on their musicals until Christmas time.  So...  I do have some "Plan Bs" in the mix, and after I see how things go the rest of this week, I'll go from there.

But I just think back to the past two years of back-to-back work... The shows I've worked on.  The people I've met.  :)

Ah, well...

In other news, I did have a wonderful dinner with my friend, Mark.  I felt like having a good, sit down dinner tonight, so I called him up and asked if I could treat him to dinner.  So, we just walked down the street to the place on the corner, Davis & Main.  -Which is not only the name of the restaurant, but also the location - these clever Americans.  We started off with some artichoke hearts and fontina cheese that had been lightly breaded then deep fried.  Quite a nice appetizer.  Mark had the hamburger - the very good hamburger (which is what I usually get).  And I had the chile-rubbed pork tenderloin with roasted potatoes and roasted vegetables.  Very nice.  Needless to say, I was stuffed.  No dessert for me tonight.  :o

And then I spent the rest of night in front of the TV while my dinner digested...

And now I must stop rambling...

And now I must get ready for bed...

Goodnight
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Post by: JoseSPiano on July 06, 2004, 09:13:21 PM
Does anyone happen to have a copy of the now infamous New York Post from this morning???  I would gladly pay the postage for the chance to add such a paper to my collection.

What did I miss?

???
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Post by: Jay on July 06, 2004, 09:17:15 PM
What did I miss?

???

In bold front page headline the New York Post announced that John Kerry had selected Dick Gebhardt as his running mate.  
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Post by: JoseSPiano on July 06, 2004, 09:20:35 PM
In bold front page headline the New York Post announced that John Kerry had selected Dick Gebhardt as his running mate.  

AH!!!  For some reason, I suspected that had happened somewhere.  Thank you for the info/answer.
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Post by: TCB on July 06, 2004, 09:21:07 PM
What did I miss?

???

This morning's Post proclaimed KERRY'S CHOICE and then followed it up with a story about Kerry picking Gephardt as his VP candidate.
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Post by: TCB on July 06, 2004, 09:22:59 PM
This morning's Post proclaimed KERRY'S CHOICE and then followed it up with a story about Kerry picking Gephardt as his VP candidate.

I should really do something about increasing my typing speed!
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Post by: Sandra on July 06, 2004, 09:24:12 PM
Bad casting: Eartha Kitt as the Fairy Godmother in Cinderella. That was scary.

I'm eating another Krispy Kreme doughnut. These are really good!
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Post by: Jay on July 06, 2004, 09:24:59 PM
I should really do something about increasing my typing speed!

You're just not used to typing with two hands, Dear Reader TCB.

 ;)
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Post by: Jrand74 on July 06, 2004, 09:37:33 PM
Whew!  The saga continues.....more auditions and casting?  Actually you know of course, that this whole miasma would be a great subject for a book!

DR JMK we got our new Kenmore dishwasher a few months ago, and yes it is QUIET....no more shouting when the dishes are being washed, no more frightened animals.....it is wonderful!
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Post by: MBarnum on July 06, 2004, 09:48:08 PM
My face is peeling and I am going to the zoo tommorrow.

I guess that is all I have to say.  :D
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 06, 2004, 09:51:25 PM
I'm assuming Pat Harrington played the Baker? Or the Narrator/Mysterious Man? He was in ONE DAY AT A TIME for six years or so, but seems like he was on earlier sitcoms, too, that maybe didn't last as long.
One Day at a Time ran longer than that, nine seasons to be exact, from December 1975 to September 1984.  Starring Bonnie Franklin as a divorced working mother of two teenaged girls (Mackenzie Phillips and Valerie Bertinelli), Harrington co-starred as the super in the building they lived in.  At various times, the series also co-starred Ron Rifkin, Howard Hesseman, Boyd Gaines, Michael Lembeck, and Nanette Fabray and her real-life neice Shelly Fabares.

It was one of the long-running series with a series finale referred to in the series finale of St. Elsewhere.
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Post by: Ann on July 06, 2004, 10:21:24 PM
I went to the gym this morning for my monthly evaluation...it was depressing.  I thought I was doing so well, but I knew I was slacking off on the strength training...and it apparently showed.  All the muscle tone I gained last month, I lost....so I was bummed out.  But this evening I was a good girl and went full out on the weight machines...it kicked my ass, but hopefully a few weeks of doing it will get me back to where I was.  
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Post by: Ann on July 06, 2004, 10:22:24 PM
I just finished off the last of my box of wheat thins...I'm still hungry...Sandra, can I have one of your donuts?? :D
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Post by: Ann on July 06, 2004, 10:23:31 PM
Hey, I'm the only one on the board right now...
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Post by: Ann on July 06, 2004, 10:26:21 PM
Oh, as for the TOTD...DR Jed named the one I would have, so I'm struggling to think of another one.  I'm sure I'd name someone from the remakes of South Pacific and Music Man, but I flatly refuse to watch either of them.  Oh yeah...not sure this one has been mentioned, but Victor Garber in the Disney remake of Annie...sang the part well enough, but he was just too sweet to be Warbucks.  
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Post by: Ann on July 06, 2004, 10:27:42 PM
I am my own frenzy

(aren't we required by HHW law to say that if we've posted a certain number of times in a row?)
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Post by: S. Woody White on July 06, 2004, 10:29:46 PM
As much as I dislike having to wussburger, I've a full day ahead of me tomorrow, and it is scheduled to start way too early.

An extra dose of vibes to BK, hoping the problems get resolved soon.

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Post by: S. Woody White on July 06, 2004, 10:30:52 PM
Frenzies, I believe, are optional, DR Ann.  But thank-you for keeping the home fries burning.
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Post by: Ann on July 06, 2004, 10:42:19 PM
Update - I made myself some eggs.  They are pretty good.
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Post by: Kerry on July 06, 2004, 10:54:14 PM
I got my computer to work, and I didn't throw it in the pool!

I love Jason, and I think he's one of the greatest talents we have.  It's your turn next , Jose!
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Post by: bk on July 06, 2004, 11:38:49 PM
Is Jose working?  If not, perhaps he should drop me an e-mail immediately.

You'd think it was the day after a long vacation weekend or something given the fact that everyone seems to be in tarnation.
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Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 11:43:27 PM
Is Jose working?  

Nope.
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Post by: Panni on July 06, 2004, 11:45:39 PM
I was up most of last night. So I tired. G'night.
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Post by: George on July 06, 2004, 11:52:44 PM
I got a copy of the cast recording to A Connecticut Yankee with Vivienne Segal and Vera-Ellen from the library.  I haven't listened to it, but I will tomorrow.  It also has four selections each from Higher and Higher, sung by Shirley Ross and By Jupiter, sung by Hildegarde.  These last two are not, of course, cast recordings...just songs from these shows.

I have to get up very early in the morning, but I'm not in bed yet.  "Oh, what's the matter with me?" (a Sound of Music reference.)