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« Reply #120 on: January 13, 2004, 12:36:35 PM »

Jennifer and Ron, have you seen the list of contestants for the Survivor All-Stars that begins in a couple of weeks? Looks like a fun one!
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« Reply #121 on: January 13, 2004, 12:41:26 PM »

I agree with Panni on this one. The Ethel Merman tales are anecdotal.  (I believe she told the ham-and-cheese one herself.) The Mary Astor story - for reasons that Panni expressed - crosses a line.

The manner in which Panni presented her observation, regardless of one's opinions, is honest and in keeping with the spirit of this site. I think it was td who rightly congratulated HHW on its openness, and I'm glad this topic was introduced for discussion.
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« Reply #122 on: January 13, 2004, 12:41:50 PM »

I just had my first experience with the infamous Soup Nazi. The soup was great (Mexican chicken chili) and the service was efficient and surprisingly friendly. He even gave us some extra fruit and bread! It didn't come cheap, though...$11 for a cup of soup!

Jose: Are you telling me I should get the Jonathon and Darlene CD? Is it really that worth it? I'll check around Tower and see how much it costs...I haven't even heard a sample of their stuff yet, so I may have to wait...
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« Reply #123 on: January 13, 2004, 12:51:11 PM »

Well, I would like to say that ALL of my favorite Cy songs can be heard in the terrific score for ON THE 20TH CENTURY.  Where to begin with that stunning piece of work?  It is indeed the ONE SHOW ALBUM which new friends are garunteed to receive as a gift from me!  I must've bought at least thirty cds of it whenever a new friend came my way.  I've yet to hear any disparging remarks from them about THAT score.


Ahh, my dear new friend, td!
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« Reply #124 on: January 13, 2004, 12:53:24 PM »

Jennifer and Ron, have you seen the list of contestants for the Survivor All-Stars that begins in a couple of weeks? Looks like a fun one!

Yes I cannot wait. This will be the biggest numbers Survivor has ever had (since it debuts feb 1st right after the superbowl).

I saw the list a couple of months ago:
Alicia, amber, colby, ethan, jenna l, jenna m, jerri, kathy, lex, richard,  rob c, rob m, rudy, rupert, shii-ann, susan, tina and tom.

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor8/index.shtml

There are some people I am thrilled will be there: Richard hatch, rudy, sue hawk, colby, tina, ethan.

And there are some I think are slightly  ridiculous choices: tom, shii-ann, jenna L, alicia.

I am happy my favorite, Colby "hershey bar" will be there.

I'm just wondering if people will be more upset when their favorites get voted off. For instance I would not be a happy camper if Colby got voted off right away.

Who are you cheering for?
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« Reply #125 on: January 13, 2004, 01:01:31 PM »

1973 would have been too early for Gittel to be Gil for most audiences.  Heck, for almost all audiences.  As for the single woman/married man plotline, let's not forget that he's a man from the midwest, where things change m-u-c-h  m-o-r-e  s-l-o-w-l-y.


I seriously doubt that 1973 would have been too early for New York audiences, which is where the show would have been playing, not Iowa.  This would be almost five years after Boys In The Band opened, and four years after Stonewall.  Granted, Jerry is a Midwestern lawyer, but he is attempting to pass the New York Bar Exam.  I don't know if it would have worked or not, SWW, it was just a thought.  I just know that as it was, it didn't find the audience it should have, in spite of the promotion it received, and the salary cuts that the cast offered to take in order to keep the show running.
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« Reply #126 on: January 13, 2004, 01:02:32 PM »

I feel like sending out good vibes to the group:

I'm trying to decide which color is the prettiest vibe.


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« Reply #127 on: January 13, 2004, 01:09:40 PM »

I have to give Mary Astor credit. She sort of shamed the Academy into giving her an Oscar statuette.

In the early days of the supporting actor Oscars, those winners were given miniature statuettes attached to a wooden Oscar plaque (see photo below). Many years later, I know after she retired and probably when she was at the home, Mary told an interviewer, "Before I die, I would dearly love to have a REAL Oscar." After the story ran on some newswire, the Academy did indeed present her with an actual Oscar statuette.

In the pic below, Mary receiving her plaque in 1942 for her supporting work in 1941's THE GREAT LIE. Donald Crisp is next to her winning for HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY. Gary Cooper won Best Actor for SERGEANT YORK and Joan Fontaine won as Best Actresss for SUSPICION.


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« Reply #128 on: January 13, 2004, 01:14:27 PM »

Jason---
The various Jonathon and Darlene LPs have been collected on 2 "Best of" CDs.  If you appreciate what Florence Foster Jenkins does to classical music and what Mrs. Miller does to 60s pop, then you should enjoy what the Edwards do to cocktail piano playing and cabaret singing of classic pop.
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« Reply #129 on: January 13, 2004, 01:15:39 PM »

Jennifer---
I thought the host was some obnoxious Englishman named Simon assisted by former Laker girl Paula Abdul.
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« Reply #130 on: January 13, 2004, 01:16:50 PM »

No, WEL, Simon Cowell and Paula Abdul (and Randy Jackson) are JUDGES, not hosts.
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« Reply #131 on: January 13, 2004, 01:18:48 PM »

DR Jennifer,
My favorites will likely be Ethan, Colby, and Tina...Rudy will be entertaining!
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« Reply #132 on: January 13, 2004, 01:20:49 PM »

The ones who won previously start at a disadvantage, I think, because other tribe members who didn't win will be gunning for them. When SURVIVOR players appeared on THE WEAKEST LINK, Richard was the first one voted off, even though he BY FAR answered the most questions correct, because they didn't want to see him win again.
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« Reply #133 on: January 13, 2004, 01:21:04 PM »

Jennifer---
I thought the host was some obnoxious Englishman named Simon assisted by former Laker girl Paula Abdul.

No, Bill, they are two of the judges.

Panni, I am so sorry about the anniversary of your mother's death.  My mother was killed ten years ago, this Friday.
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« Reply #134 on: January 13, 2004, 01:21:25 PM »

td: It's OK we don't need to be friends. I have "On the Twentieth Century". How is Nigel?
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« Reply #135 on: January 13, 2004, 01:26:15 PM »

The theater where I did TITANIC last fall is considering ON THE 20TH CENTURY for next fall. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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« Reply #136 on: January 13, 2004, 01:27:37 PM »

I think Ryan Seacrest was one of the hosts of AI rather than a contestant, DRWEL.  He is a close personal friend of Mr Merv Griffin.

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Ethel Merman story coming up....younger and more sensitive HHW'ers beware!


Robert Alton was at 20 Century Fox working on the dances for "There's No Business Like Show Business."  It involved all kinds of Irving Berlin music - and steps.

During one duet, Alton decided that Merman and her partner Dan Dailey would do a bit of a minuet.  He knew Ethel could do it having worked with her on Broadway.

"And this will be like in 'DuBarry Was A Lady',"  Alton said.  "Ethel, do you remember the minuet?"

Ethel never missed a pop of her gum and replied, "Honey, I don't even remember the men I f*&ked!"


That is priceless...and something tells me that if the Merm were still alive, she would LOVE that we are cracking up over these anecdotes.  

I also love the seder anecdote, Dan!

Here's my contribution, though some DRs may already have heard this one.

Merman was in a show, I forget which.  One of the chorus girls objected to Ethel's frequent cursing, and decided to start a coin jar.   Whoever cursed would have to deposit a quarter.  For a time, Ethel put up with it, but after the chorus girl had asked her for a quarter one time too many, she put $5 in the jar and said to her, "Go f*** yourself."

Re: the Mary Astor story.  I am a relative urchin, as DR Charles humorously put it, but I know who Mary Astor is.  I've seen her and Barrymore in Don Juan and read about the Astor-Kaufman affair in Hollywood Babylon ("ah! desert night, naked under the stars"...the girl had a touch of the poet, did she not?)

I don't have any objection to the story being put up, but it did make me sad to read it.  There are really few things as tragic as the decline of a beautiful woman, especially a once-beautiful screen siren.  
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« Reply #137 on: January 13, 2004, 01:32:39 PM »

Panni, I am so sorry about the anniversary of your mother's death.  My mother was killed ten years ago, this Friday.

My condolences, TCB.
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« Reply #138 on: January 13, 2004, 01:32:40 PM »

What the hell...here's another good, more famous story involving Ethel...equally risqué.

Merman and her pal Tallulah Bankhead were in adjoining bathroom stalls.
Tallulah had run out of toilet paper.  She asked if Ethel had any she could spare.  Ethel responded negatively.  Tallulah said, "Well, dahling, do you have two fives for a ten?"

Condolences from me too, TCB!
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« Reply #139 on: January 13, 2004, 01:33:33 PM »

Sorry, Panni, my story upset you...

The fact is...in spite of all...I still adore Ms. Astor and think nonetheless of her at all.   You'll also notice that in the story, something kept me  from going into the room.  While I was certainly well aware of the reality at this point, I didn't want to experience it first hand.  Still had I gone in, my respect for Miss Astor would not be diminished one iota.  She is still one of my favourite actresses and one of my favourite personalities of the Golden Era.  She had balls and tremedous talent.

But maybe it's because I did years of dinner theatre with aging stars with lots of faults and lots of problems that I just don't put a lot of these people up on pedestals.  I have very few idols in this business, but even those I do have and just those I admire, I embrace them warts and all.  I find their flaws just as fascinating and endearing as the rest of them.  I embrace the whole person.  

The fact is we could have just caught Mary Astor on a bad day.  We could have come on another day, found her all pulled together and as charming as Hell.  And that would have been Mary Astor too.  (Probably wouldn't make as good as story). None of these people are perfect.  I think the problem comes when we try to enshrine them as demi-gods and don't realize that they have good and bad days, good and bad times, good and bad years.  We all age and become less than what we were.  That doesn't diminish what we were. Or what we accomplished. What is sadder I think is to see some star still trying to desperately cling to the illusion of their glory years, their beauty, their image, and becoming just some, sad ghastly caricature of themselves.   If anything my moment of reality with Mary Astor made me love her all the more.  

Again, back to my dinner theatre days...we used to say you got stars either on the way up or the way down.  I almost always got them on the way down...Martha Raye, Don DeFore, Cyd Charisse, James Drury, Shelley Berman, Nancy Kulp, Rosemarie, Yvonne DeCarlo, Bob Denver etc...when they were at the lower ebb than in their heyday.  It made me realize they were just people and no one or nothing to be enskyed.  But by the same token, I almost always respected them and valued my time with them and listened to their stories (no matter how tedious they could sometimes get...they were also glorious stories too) because they had managed to struggle for and achieve something I was also striving for.  They had lessons to learn.  I prided myself that I often worked...more than once...with people who had reputations for being difficult and irascible and I always got along with them and they respected me back.  Because while I treated them with the deference and respect due their achievements and years, I didn't fawn on them or suck up to them and, if they were at times, full of shit, I wasn't afraid to tell them so.  I can and have told stories about all these people...some embarrassing/some inspiring...because that's just how people are made.  I also learned from all of them and came away enriched by my encounter with them.  

One of the great encounters of my life came when Henry Wilcoxon walked into a bookstore where I was working when I first came out here.  Because I recognized him and actually knew something of his career, we became friends in the last couple of years of his life.  One of the things you learn from these people is, even after they reached a certain level of fame, it was never easy.  I value the brief time I had with this man and the stories and experiences he told...not all flattering, not all fun or glamourous.

This weekend Mr. Kimmel and I will go to the memorabilia show at the Beverly Garland Holiday Inn and we will gawk and thrill and, yes, occasionally, shudder aghast at the old stars on display there.  But we go because we love and respect these people who have a past in a business we love and in a business that we understand takes its toll.  The foibles of the business and the people are as much a part of its legend as anything.  We embrace the good with the bad, the inspiring with the sad, the sublime with the ridiculous (and is there anything more ridiculous than Skippy Lowe...who we also love because he is so damned entertaining and out there!)  We share smiles, hear stories, sometimes shake our head and laugh and whisper between us: "What the Hell happened to them?"  

But I don't think it's ever done cruelly or viciously and with malicious intent.  Certainly, my Mary Astor story was not meant this way.  Let's not forget the impetus for the entire story began as pilgrimage to pay homage to someone we admired.  And still do.  We went because we remembered her.  We hadn't forgotten her.   I look at the quirky encounter merely as just reveling in the panorama and the vicissitudes of this business we call show...

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« Reply #140 on: January 13, 2004, 01:44:31 PM »

Jennifer and Ron, have you seen the list of contestants for the Survivor All-Stars that begins in a couple of weeks? Looks like a fun one!

Haven't seen it, Mike, but I'm looking forward to it!

GO RUPERT!!!

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« Reply #141 on: January 13, 2004, 01:44:39 PM »

Bravo.
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« Reply #142 on: January 13, 2004, 01:44:41 PM »

Thanks DR Charles, I thought you told the Mary Astor story with respect and it was obvious that you did and still do admire her...now, with that said, I want to hear stories about Nancy Kulp and Yvonne DeCarlo! Love 'em both!
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« Reply #143 on: January 13, 2004, 01:47:54 PM »

 :D  DRCHARLES POGUE.....Nancy Kulp...with a "K"  ;D

Here is Miss Mary Astor as she appeared in Return to Peyton Place.  She was so good.....  She is squaring off with Luciana Paluzzi as the "foreign wife" of her son David (The Fly) Hedison.  Luciana has no idea that Mary sits in the linen closet and listens to the couple make love....  That's a MOVIE!!!
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« Reply #144 on: January 13, 2004, 01:48:26 PM »

Nancy Kulp - Robert Culp/Nancy Kulp.  

After two years I finally got around to listening to The Barry Sisters sing Fiddler on the Roof.  Well, it is deliriously daffy, and contains one of the most unintentionally hilarious and awful tracks in the history of recording - Far From the Home I Love, done big-band uptempo with bongos.  It doesn't get better than that, folks.
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« Reply #145 on: January 13, 2004, 01:55:38 PM »

Regards whether the anecdotes about Mermo are true or not,  my theory as always been, it doesn't matter whether a story is true or not, only how well it's told.

Case in point, Maya's story about the swear box, I've heard about Loretta Young, a devout Catholic, who always put up a swear-box on her sets and it was Tracy who plunked it several fivers or tens and said, "Go fuck yourself, Loretta."  

But it's a good story whoever it's about.  It's the raconteurism that counts.  Not the true.  All good stories are embellished.  I believe in the adage from THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE, "When the legend become truth, print the legend."

Great pic of Mary Astor.  Mary in Barrymore's Don Juan...for which I have an original programme...is perhaps one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.

It's probably true that Panni and I would come up with very different stories elaborating my encounter at the old movie folks home into a film.  She'd come up with something touching and sensitive, whereas I'd end up with a bitter black comedy.

But while I was recounting the tale, I did think of how interesting it would be if some enterprising soul did a book or documentary about all those people living out there.  What fabulous stories they all must have and how wonderful it would to have them archived.  And from so many different points of views...actors, writers, technicians...It would have great historical importance.  Bruce?  What say?

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« Reply #146 on: January 13, 2004, 01:59:29 PM »

Sunset Boulevard Acres.
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« Reply #147 on: January 13, 2004, 02:02:43 PM »

Thanks DR Charles, I thought you told the Mary Astor story with respect and it was obvious that you did and still do admire her...now, with that said, I want to hear stories about Nancy Kulp and Yvonne DeCarlo! Love 'em both!

To Hell with Nancy and Yvonne, I want to hear everything there is to hear about one of my favorites -- James Drury.

To be serious for just a moment, thank you, Mr Pogue, for a very moving post.
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« Reply #148 on: January 13, 2004, 02:08:03 PM »

James Drury's aunt used to live her in Salem until she passed away, and James used to visit quite often. My buddy Ron met him when he came to the Salem Hospital (where Ron works) to visit his aunt there.
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« Reply #149 on: January 13, 2004, 02:08:03 PM »

But while I was recounting the tale, I did think of how interesting it would be if some enterprising soul did a book or documentary about all those people living out there.  What fabulous stories they all must have and how wonderful it would to have them archived.  And from so many different points of views...actors, writers, technicians...It would have great historical importance.  Bruce?  What say?


Actually, when you were recounting the story, it reminded me of portions of The Biograph Girl.
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