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« Reply #150 on: September 27, 2009, 03:07:49 PM »

DR Matt H you are sweet.  Thank you.
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« Reply #151 on: September 27, 2009, 03:07:58 PM »

Happy birthday to DR George's sister!
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« Reply #152 on: September 27, 2009, 03:10:56 PM »

Ginny I hope you get the apartment! Is it away from midtown?
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« Reply #153 on: September 27, 2009, 03:11:11 PM »

Today is Shaun Cassidy's birthday!

Happy Birthday to Shaun Cassidy!  My sister had a crush on him when she was much, much younger. ;) 

It must have been fun for her to share his birthday.  Funny you remembered his birthday. ;)
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« Reply #154 on: September 27, 2009, 03:17:45 PM »

Ginny I hope you get the apartment! Is it away from midtown?

LOL!  No, DR Ben, it's 5 floors above the David Letterman marquee!
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« Reply #155 on: September 27, 2009, 03:28:21 PM »

Thank God. The world is so much safer now that Roman Polanski is in custody.

13 year old girls might be. 

I agree if he returns to this country he should be arrested, he broke the law & shouldn't get a break because of who he is.  I am shocked that after all this time we requested he be arrested by a different government, and that they obliged.  Even the woman who was the 13 year old girl has requested this be dropped.

I was amazed at the number of news updates on this story in my Twitter feed this morning. If he wasn't a "celebrity", would there have been this much fuss after all of these years?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I was being facetious.


I got that, just not sure what your view point was ;)

I think if Polanski hadn't requested a return to the States recently, reminding folks he is a wanted person, he might not have been arrested. 

It is possible the news hasn't reported positive comments from Polanski on the event.  All I've ever read was his opinion he did nothing wrong & never regretted the harm he caused the young girl & seemed rather arrogant about the whole thing.  This could be why officials felt it was important to ask the Swiss government to arrest him. 

Still, I hope the Swiss don't extradite him, what a waste of money after all these years.  I do believe the press will be thrilled.
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« Reply #156 on: September 27, 2009, 03:28:28 PM »

I know how cliché it is to say that we live in a weird world ... BUT ... come on, Roman Polanski has been arrested and may be deported after something that happened in 1977 and ... George Bush -amongst others!!! - can roam the world free??!!!

There's something really wrong with the world ... dear world?!

There's a petition somewhere here in France; I need to find it! Thank G*d my governement is doing something to help the man!

I can only think of one word right now ; SHAME!

And yes, Mr Polanski would happen to be unknown, he would not be put through that of course!

Human justice?? Ah! Yes, it's "human" hence FAULTY!


So, apparently if you elude capture for 30 years, then the crime no longer happened?
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« Reply #157 on: September 27, 2009, 03:29:33 PM »

And speaking of Jane Lynch.. From today's NY Times...

Settling Down, After a Career of Cameos

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« Reply #158 on: September 27, 2009, 03:30:45 PM »

I must be off.  I still need to take a shower, get dressed and go to my sister's house for her birthday!




You weren't at an Off-Broadway play last night, were you George?
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« Reply #159 on: September 27, 2009, 03:34:22 PM »

I must be off.  I still need to take a shower, get dressed and go to my sister's house for her birthday!




You weren't at an Off-Broadway play last night, were you George?

LOL!!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :)
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« Reply #160 on: September 27, 2009, 03:42:55 PM »

I know how cliché it is to say that we live in a weird world ... BUT ... come on, Roman Polanski has been arrested and may be deported after something that happened in 1977 and ... George Bush -amongst others!!! - can roam the world free??!!!

There's something really wrong with the world ... dear world?!

There's a petition somewhere here in France; I need to find it! Thank G*d my governement is doing something to help the man!

I can only think of one word right now ; SHAME!

And yes, Mr Polanski would happen to be unknown, he would not be put through that of course!

Human justice?? Ah! Yes, it's "human" hence FAULTY!


So, apparently if you elude capture for 30 years, then the crime no longer happened?

Mr Polanski has done some jail time for this case!

The lady concerned has forgiven him and a money settlement was done years ago!

She is ALIVE! He did not kill her.

His name was again in the news lately because he wants to go to the States!

Give the man a break!

If all the guys who've slept with underage teens were in jails ....

That was in 1977.

It's the Los Angeles police which asked The Swiss to arrest him.

I think we can be a little sensible in this instance, no?
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« Reply #161 on: September 27, 2009, 03:46:56 PM »

Thanks, George!

Jose - thanks if you can get the link around, of course!!!
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« Reply #162 on: September 27, 2009, 03:47:39 PM »

Apartment vibes to Ginny!
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« Reply #163 on: September 27, 2009, 03:51:32 PM »

My position on this Polanski nonsense is well-known - he did something that was against the law, he'd struck a deal, done his time, and that idiotic insane publicity seeking judge tried to renege.  Enough is enough and the LA police should be ashamed of themselves as should the Swiss policiers who arrested him.   James Barbour did the same thing, struck a deal, served his time and he's done - no judge tried to renege on his deal (which I don't believe could happen today), and there were so many people with so many agendas back then, that even if he were brought back to stand trial it would, in all probability, be thrown out of court, based on the way the case was both mishandled and manhandled. 
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« Reply #164 on: September 27, 2009, 03:52:08 PM »

I ate too much food.  Supped at the Studio Cafe - hadn't been there in quite some time for various reasons.  Hisaka sends her regards.
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« Reply #165 on: September 27, 2009, 03:55:30 PM »

Apartment vibes to Ginny!

Thanks, DR FJL!  If this doesn't work out, we'll probably be in a new hotel at 48th & 11th Ave.  What's your opinion of that area?
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« Reply #166 on: September 27, 2009, 03:58:46 PM »

Thank God. The world is so much safer now that Roman Polanski is in custody.

13 year old girls might be. 

I agree if he returns to this country he should be arrested, he broke the law & shouldn't get a break because of who he is.  I am shocked that after all this time we requested he be arrested by a different government, and that they obliged.  Even the woman who was the 13 year old girl has requested this be dropped.

I was amazed at the number of news updates on this story in my Twitter feed this morning. If he wasn't a "celebrity", would there have been this much fuss after all of these years?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I was being facetious.


I got that, just not sure what your view point was ;)

I think if Polanski hadn't requested a return to the States recently, reminding folks he is a wanted person, he might not have been arrested. 

It is possible the news hasn't reported positive comments from Polanski on the event.  All I've ever read was his opinion he did nothing wrong & never regretted the harm he caused the young girl & seemed rather arrogant about the whole thing.  This could be why officials felt it was important to ask the Swiss government to arrest him. 

Still, I hope the Swiss don't extradite him, what a waste of money after all these years.  I do believe the press will be thrilled.


You too, Jane?  I think you are all sick.
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« Reply #167 on: September 27, 2009, 03:59:21 PM »

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Judge the Movie, Not the Man
Roman Polanski's 25-year-old crimes should not damage his chances for an Oscar, his victim says.
By Samantha Geimer
 
February 23, 2003
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I met Roman Polanski in 1977, when I was 13 years old. I was in ninth grade that year, when he told my mother that he wanted to shoot pictures of me for a French magazine. That's what he said, but instead, after shooting pictures of me at Jack Nicholson's house on Mulholland Drive, he did something quite different. He gave me champagne and a piece of a Quaalude. And then he took advantage of me.

It was not consensual sex by any means. I said no, repeatedly, but he wouldn't take no for an answer. I was alone and I didn't know what to do. It was scary and, looking back, very creepy. Those may sound like kindergarten words, but that's the way it feels to me. It was a very long time ago, and it is hard to remember exactly the way everything happened. But I've had to repeat the story so many times, I know it by heart.

We pressed charges, and he pleaded guilty. A plea bargain was agreed to by his lawyer, my lawyer and the district attorney, and it was approved by the judge. But to our amazement, at the last minute the judge went back on his word and refused to honor the deal.

Worried that he was going to have to spend 50 years in prison -- rather than just time already served -- Mr. Polanski fled the country. He's never been back, and I haven't seen him or spoken to him since.

Looking back, there can be no question that he did something awful. It was a terrible thing to do to a young girl. But it was also 25 years ago -- 26 years next month. And, honestly, the publicity surrounding it was so traumatic that what he did to me seemed to pale in comparison.

Now that he's been nominated for an Academy Award, it's all being reopened. I'm being asked: Should he be given the award? Should he be rewarded for his behavior? Should he be allowed back into the United States after fleeing 25 years ago?

Here's the way I feel about it: I don't really have any hard feelings toward him, or any sympathy, either. He is a stranger to me.

But I believe that Mr. Polanski and his film should be honored according to the quality of the work. What he does for a living and how good he is at it have nothing to do with me or what he did to me. I don't think it would be fair to take past events into consideration. I think that the academy members should vote for the movies they feel deserve it. Not for people they feel are popular.

And should he come back? I have to imagine he would rather not be a fugitive and be able to travel freely. Personally, I would like to see that happen. He never should have been put in the position that led him to flee. He should have received a sentence of time served 25 years ago, just as we all agreed. At that time, my lawyer, Lawrence Silver, wrote to the judge that the plea agreement should be accepted and that that guilty plea would be sufficient contrition to satisfy us. I have not changed my mind.

I know there is a price to pay for running. But who wouldn't think about running when facing a 50-year sentence from a judge who was clearly more interested in his own reputation than a fair judgment or even the well-being of the victim?

If he could resolve his problems, I'd be happy. I hope that would mean I'd never have to talk about this again. Sometimes I feel like we both got a life sentence.

My attitude surprises many people. That's because they didn't go through it all; they don't know everything that I know. People don't understand that the judge went back on his word. They don't know how unfairly we were all treated by the press. Talk about feeling violated! The media made that year a living hell, and I've been trying to put it behind me ever since.

Today, I am very happy with my life. I have three sons and a husband. I live in a beautiful place and I enjoy my work. What more could I ask for? No one needs to worry about me.

The one thing that bothers me is that what happened to me in 1977 continues to happen to girls every day, yet people are interested in me because Mr. Polanski is a celebrity. That just never seems right to me. It makes me feel guilty that this attention is directed at me, when there are certainly others out there who could really use it.
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« Reply #168 on: September 27, 2009, 04:03:02 PM »

My position on this Polanski nonsense is well-known - he did something that was against the law, he'd struck a deal, done his time, and that idiotic insane publicity seeking judge tried to renege.  Enough is enough and the LA police should be ashamed of themselves as should the Swiss policiers who arrested him.   James Barbour did the same thing, struck a deal, served his time and he's done - no judge tried to renege on his deal (which I don't believe could happen today), and there were so many people with so many agendas back then, that even if he were brought back to stand trial it would, in all probability, be thrown out of court, based on the way the case was both mishandled and manhandled. 

I agree, and I don't mind being "sick"!! ;)
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« Reply #169 on: September 27, 2009, 04:04:04 PM »

We have our windows open and there's a very cool breeze coming in.  Must be fall!
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« Reply #170 on: September 27, 2009, 04:06:27 PM »

5 Floors above David Letterman sounds good.
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« Reply #171 on: September 27, 2009, 04:10:43 PM »

5 Floors above David Letterman sounds good.

We stayed on the same floor last year, but this is a different apartment.  We loved the location.
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« Reply #172 on: September 27, 2009, 04:12:03 PM »

5 Floors above David Letterman sounds good.

That way you're pretty safe if he throws TV sets out of his windows!! :D
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« Reply #173 on: September 27, 2009, 04:33:49 PM »

After teasing DR George I have egg on my face.  I forgot to wish Keith's brother a happy birthday this morning.  I have just sent the good wishes.
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« Reply #174 on: September 27, 2009, 04:37:01 PM »

DR Matt H, I just saw a commercial fro the forthcoming release of Disney's SNOW WHITE; do you have any idea what the differences are between this and the 1997 Platinum Edition?
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« Reply #175 on: September 27, 2009, 04:42:25 PM »

I think the young lady abused by Polanski is a very special person.

I believe if forced back here he will not be convicted, likely not even go to trial, and he will have the freedom to come and go as he pleases again.

I think it is ridiculous the Swiss arrested him.

I will not call what he did acceptable, no matter how much time has passed.  I know too many women very scarred by sexual abuse as children.  Just because they learn to handle it & cope with it as adults doesn't mean they aren't deeply hurt from the experience.  I don't believe anyone ever gets over being raped.
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« Reply #176 on: September 27, 2009, 04:44:05 PM »

Oooo, according to my email, we're *this close* to being able to have our first-choice apartment for next month's stay in NYC.  Vibes, please, that the people who haven't filled out the reservation form have decided they don't want it!

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« Reply #177 on: September 27, 2009, 04:49:50 PM »

I'm in the same court as BK on the Roman Polanski debacle. 
Vanity Fair did an interview with the victim, who forgave Polanski his actions.
There was a recent HBO documentary which was quite un-biased, more of a just the facts on both sides piece which showed (to me, at least) that the judge in the case was out for publicity, and a possible higher political status.
Polanski did his time.
The victim is no longer playing "The Victim."
What other punishment does Polanski need?
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« Reply #178 on: September 27, 2009, 04:50:55 PM »

Thanks, DR td!
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« Reply #179 on: September 27, 2009, 04:54:32 PM »

5 Floors above David Letterman sounds good.

That way you're pretty safe if he throws TV sets out of his windows!! :D

Dave does THAT???
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