I thought it was a draw too, Jay. Although interestingly enough, MSNBC seems to clearly think Cheney was the hands-down winnner. Yet three instant polls...CNN's, Yahoo's, and MSNBC's own instant polls... have Edwards the winner; slightly over 60% in one (where they give the option of a tie); around 70% in a poll (where no tie is offered), and one at 78% (tie offered). Depending on which poll, sixty to eighty percent think Edwards won. Though these instant polls are unscientific, in the last debate they seemed to reflect the national polls that came out a few days later. So this is good news for Kerry-Edwards, I hope.