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[elmore3003]

Page 3 Dance!

[elmore3003]

No word from my neighbor Ann.  Curiouser and curiouser.

[bk]

All I can say is, in the world in which we live today, just waiting on the cancel culture to make a thing of My White Knight.  Mark my words. 

[George]

There might be more of that type of Shinn line I'm forgetting. And I believe that not all of these are in the stage play. Speaking of which, I've long thought that every single thing they added for the movie was an improvement. Nothing that they left out or altered comes to mind as anything but.

Including "Being in Love". I admit I first grew up on the movie soundtrack, so there's my handicap. But if nearly six decades haven't warmed me better to the "My White Night" verse, that just might be a lost cause for this Philistine.

In spite of the multitude of times I've seen the film, I'll have to watch with a score to review what they did with the dance music. "76" probably doesn't matter to me much. "Marian the Librarian" does, and I believe it's surprisingly intact, but not all the way (?). Also have to review the "It's You Ballet" because I don't even remember if they used anything of the original. Oh, and "Shipoopi" -- probably cut down some?

I have this vague memory of reading that one reason that "My White Knight" wasn't in the movie was because Meredith Willson didn't actually write it?  Or was it that "Being In Love" in the movie wasn't written by him.  I don't remember now.

The rumor that Frank Loesser wrote "My White Knight" has been around for years.  When you hear the original version, it's very clear that Meredith Willson wrote it.  In his book about writing The Music Man, But He Doesn't Know the Territory, Willson says he didn't realize until Barbara Cook sang "My White Knight" at the first preview that Marian Paroo was based on his mother.  He also quotes the original version in the book. but he never says a thing about its getting truncated.

Ahh...thanks for the info, Larry!

[ChasSmith]

I have the Meredith Willson book, but hadn't remembered all of that about "Knight".

[elmore3003]

There might be more of that type of Shinn line I'm forgetting. And I believe that not all of these are in the stage play. Speaking of which, I've long thought that every single thing they added for the movie was an improvement. Nothing that they left out or altered comes to mind as anything but.

Including "Being in Love". I admit I first grew up on the movie soundtrack, so there's my handicap. But if nearly six decades haven't warmed me better to the "My White Night" verse, that just might be a lost cause for this Philistine.

In spite of the multitude of times I've seen the film, I'll have to watch with a score to review what they did with the dance music. "76" probably doesn't matter to me much. "Marian the Librarian" does, and I believe it's surprisingly intact, but not all the way (?). Also have to review the "It's You Ballet" because I don't even remember if they used anything of the original. Oh, and "Shipoopi" -- probably cut down some?

I have this vague memory of reading that one reason that "My White Knight" wasn't in the movie was because Meredith Willson didn't actually write it?  Or was it that "Being In Love" in the movie wasn't written by him.  I don't remember now.

The rumor that Frank Loesser wrote "My White Knight" has been around for years.  When you hear the original version, it's very clear that Meredith Willson wrote it.  In his book about writing The Music Man, But He Doesn't Know the Territory, Willson says he didn't realize until Barbara Cook sang "My White Knight" at the first preview that Marian Paroo was based on his mother.  He also quotes the original version in the book, but he never says a thing about its getting truncated.

Ahh...thanks for the info, Larry!

You're welcome.  I'm surprised you don't own the book!

[elmore3003]

It's still in print.
https://www.amazon.com/But-He-Doesnt-Know-Territory/dp/0816667705/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=meredith+willson&qid=1594756821&sr=8-1

[elmore3003]

I got my copy in a curious way.  I checked the book out of my public library several times when I was in high school and it was first published.  About twenty years ago, when I was visiting family and friends in Ohio, I checked the library shelf, and I was surprised to find it still on the shelf.  I had been the last person to check the book out around 1966!  No one had looked at the book in over 30 years, so I asked my late friend Alan Freeman if he would get the book, report it lost, and I would pay all the fees.  Not long after that the book arrived in Manhattan.  When I tried to reimburse Alan, he wouldn't take my money.

[George]

It's still in print.
https://www.amazon.com/But-He-Doesnt-Know-Territory/dp/0816667705/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=meredith+willson&qid=1594756821&sr=8-1

Fine...I just bought it.

[George]

And just because, I also bought And There I Stood with My Piccolo.  Both new.

[George]

I got my copy in a curious way.  I checked the book out of my public library several times when I was in high school and it was first published.  About twenty years ago, when I was visiting family and friends in Ohio, I checked the library shelf, and I was surprised to find it still on the shelf.  I had been the last person to check the book out around 1966!  No one had looked at the book in over 30 years, so I asked my late friend Alan Freeman if he would get the book, report it lost, and I would pay all the fees.  Not long after that the book arrived in Manhattan.  When I tried to reimburse Alan, he wouldn't take my money.

That's a pretty cool story, Larry!

[George]

There might be more of that type of Shinn line I'm forgetting. And I believe that not all of these are in the stage play. Speaking of which, I've long thought that every single thing they added for the movie was an improvement. Nothing that they left out or altered comes to mind as anything but.

Including "Being in Love". I admit I first grew up on the movie soundtrack, so there's my handicap. But if nearly six decades haven't warmed me better to the "My White Night" verse, that just might be a lost cause for this Philistine.

In spite of the multitude of times I've seen the film, I'll have to watch with a score to review what they did with the dance music. "76" probably doesn't matter to me much. "Marian the Librarian" does, and I believe it's surprisingly intact, but not all the way (?). Also have to review the "It's You Ballet" because I don't even remember if they used anything of the original. Oh, and "Shipoopi" -- probably cut down some?

I love "My White Knight," but I really love the original version, which went through several revisions before it was cut down to popular song form.  I've heard both Barbara Cook and Rebecca Luker sing the "original version" and they are different!  There's a rumor that Frank Loesser wrote the song, but I believe Loesser, as the publisher of the score, is the person who whittled the number down to what now exists, and I'm not sure Meredith Willson was happy about that.

Here's Barbara Cook:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52HBYXmDIBM

I love it!  And here is Barbara Cook singing a medley from "The Music Man" on the Bell Telephone Hour, 1960:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BWLRymSsCU

[George]

My phone call, which was about getting a young man or woman volunteer to come by and help me on occasion with household problems, went quite nicely.

Good!

[ChasSmith]

Great story about the book, DR Elmore!

[John G.]

It is a great story, Elmore.

[elmore3003]

And just because, I also bought And There I Stood with My Piccolo.  Both new.

Well, that'll show me!

[elmore3003]

My neighbor Ann just left.  I am so happy she's back in town.

[bk]

Zoom went well and was fun, picked up a package, and am awaiting lunch.

[bk]

I had to search for a while, but I managed to get a signed first edition of But He Doesn't Know the Territory two decades ago - wonderful book.

[Jrand74]

Back From Boston.

[Jrand74]

Yes DR JOHN G  it is The Music Man in The Apartment.

I enjoyed BOTH of the Willson books very much.

[Jrand74]

Episode 5 of Conversations With Jack is on the website.....I talk to Miss Peggy McClaine who is most entertaining.

If one is interested....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm4tMhzAGSA

[Ginny]

I got my copy in a curious way.  I checked the book out of my public library several times when I was in high school and it was first published.  About twenty years ago, when I was visiting family and friends in Ohio, I checked the library shelf, and I was surprised to find it still on the shelf.  I had been the last person to check the book out around 1966!  No one had looked at the book in over 30 years, so I asked my late friend Alan Freeman if he would get the book, report it lost, and I would pay all the fees.  Not long after that the book arrived in Manhattan.  When I tried to reimburse Alan, he wouldn't take my money.

I’m going to pretend I didn’t hear this 

[Laura]

Good afternoon.

[ChasSmith]

I got my copy in a curious way.  I checked the book out of my public library several times when I was in high school and it was first published.  About twenty years ago, when I was visiting family and friends in Ohio, I checked the library shelf, and I was surprised to find it still on the shelf.  I had been the last person to check the book out around 1966!  No one had looked at the book in over 30 years, so I asked my late friend Alan Freeman if he would get the book, report it lost, and I would pay all the fees.  Not long after that the book arrived in Manhattan.  When I tried to reimburse Alan, he wouldn't take my money.

I’m going to pretend I didn’t hear this 

I’m going to pretend I don’t have anything from my own past to add to this.

[Laura]

Our refrigerator is on the blink.  We called yesterday; the repairman came today. He doesn't have the part, so he will be back on Thursday to fix it.

[Laura]

The freezer is cold, so at least the frozen meat will be ok. The refrigerator part doesn't get cold.

[ChasSmith]

Episode 5 of Conversations With Jack is on the website.....I talk to Miss Peggy McClaine who is most entertaining.

If one is interested....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm4tMhzAGSA

I don’t want to speak prematurely, DR Jrand69, but have there been any hints regarding possible
Tony honors? Perhaps an Emmy mention?

[ChasSmith]

Good luck on the fridge fix, DR Laura. Is it under warranty by any chance?

[Ginny]

I got my copy in a curious way.  I checked the book out of my public library several times when I was in high school and it was first published.  About twenty years ago, when I was visiting family and friends in Ohio, I checked the library shelf, and I was surprised to find it still on the shelf.  I had been the last person to check the book out around 1966!  No one had looked at the book in over 30 years, so I asked my late friend Alan Freeman if he would get the book, report it lost, and I would pay all the fees.  Not long after that the book arrived in Manhattan.  When I tried to reimburse Alan, he wouldn't take my money.

I’m going to pretend I didn’t hear this 

I’m going to pretend I don’t have anything from my own past to add to this.